Re: [EuroPython-Improve] The Europython 2015 was originally announced to be in Berlin, Germany - Why now this move to Bilbao, Spain ? Me as German, I have negative opinion about that!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, Mike Müller wrote: For some reason I could not pin down yet, why this was different with the relation between EPS and LO. Maybe it has something to do with the general approach. While the LO tried to use a consensus-based way to make decisions, I experienced the EPS relation to the LO as a hierarchical one, just order and the LO has to follow. Maybe my impression is wrong and other people see things differently, but this is how I perceived it. the only entity that is to blame for the current situation with EP15 is the EPS. I have have strong doubt that the persons running EPS for years should be in charge for running the EPS in the future. I am explicitly taking out Fabio here. Unfortunately there was no chance at the general assembly at EP14 to perform any significant change in the leadership of the EPS due to the absurdness of general assembly as it was carried out. EP15 will be the last chance for EPS with its current setup to prove its right to exist. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUl9f6AAoJEADcfz7u4AZjBhgLwJv7qCIub1OEn2olTIck+q/o dxeCenA2LzUtjvv/R+7D8lbxJRCZIOqhfdf4XMLPLsSAgA78/o0ezuOzKg8OHdyb uvJOb6F52oV45xji6ZevpmJtpMPzWAHHfZMItOkYzOuC7bSWyu8qw1e3EuyLubdD CIlh2UTv09tX5onlzHkKtJrN4UuQxhUb0a0y1BNVQyDWXd2oL9NZTdcTJ3xtmF8H a0EBNc7i9T490Beza07xEeWOw5BVqiKaTEqqTHOop4i+ZDfr731DwUh54Q6bzKhu z4V6zbBUSEiu5CgRP2j3FLBQ2XtYEjZyE3j1zgfg9vbzP3FalRAPVi4Kjf6REhUl EpUwdIT++p/MO5MdWxOl/Jf+tGS35JPW3x8OiKTMvNe0dyNQqrNHfgwSMknXq6Ni MkmgvZAeQI3CA0vsvE72u7j6VaD/t4+armZ3Me5PHL6zL1Yfb1931pHqbmjmLtBQ wnSMma9E9ybHhdAYNRyldc4GNJShRmQ= =AAe4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython-Improve mailing list EuroPython-Improve@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve
[EuroPython-Improve] Bilbao proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, the budget lacks at least the position for financial support/financial aid for bringing more women or people from abroad to EP that can not afford the conference otherwise. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUjr6kAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjLZALv3Am8bAuwXgZAzW3HBWAYx5a UWQdOFE/JsVwIfEJleZrY41s8fXXAUliEx4cp5RRwRO7BrMn3tTb+C/hA+npz/62 kjMV68VqeSa2RS527z1VAQV3euNTtNSAZuVTMFUXhi+fVd7nGIz0YCZrNfer8hgR WehpQXL1Xou/SPbA42mhk8+fhUVvbDyvNlTCepSxS3pWKga6imum4VZddzPAw1e+ 46w0b36fmNorJVDBnI+U0qlFM8f0wPae1Zw+z+GpD0Biin0lh5ovrjhumpHHJ8Dn OFOBXh34GPv1l07+P8wqbCWNccTCI4K2tVsejstouEa4GkOp1/V0jK7fGEOfiUU2 MI7FyTLi0rBwtPsYn+O2dpbvaS/gJ1P9LTIxorADo3+Ioqk6kJeO/GW7K7b7QC/x rYCcxe5JS3/6FijaKGMSQZRJHwa+E1ylceM8rkXvtSECvtaYeBXgZ9DpLZgsYwgP kUOV5z9JAQ0DDmSpKPcxt9P8PjXS/80= =WOW8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython-Improve mailing list EuroPython-Improve@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve
Re: [EuroPython-Improve] Bilbao proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 15.12.2014 11:57, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi there, the budget lacks at least the position for financial support/financial aid for bringing more women or people from abroad to EP that can not afford the conference otherwise. To clarify: We had only asked for an on-site budget from the teams. The ACPySS team also included some additional numbers to provide a more complete picture. The conference budget will be set up and maintained by the finance workgroup and the finance aid by the finance aid workgroup: http://www.europython-society.org/workgroups The proposal makes sense, is well written and solid. However the time frame is _extremely_ tight and very hard to achieve. Perhaps it is an option to move EP to fall this year (September, October?) in order for having some more time? Also the new organization model with works will be a blocker during this short period of time. (Hopefully) lots of new volunteers but team do not start work effectively from the beginning. There will be a lot of new learning being involved for all workgroups. My suggestion is to move EP for some months in order to organize a solide EP 15 - otherwise skip EP 15 for this year and head for 2016. my-2-constructive-cents Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUjua4AAoJEADcfz7u4AZjoC8LvRYyiFw/uz/SmEHU3HfkcEmv bCdvWR+Caj0FCg3K+BhLrepXEVKBF8/IWID12R1P57K7+XocoJbXcDXfioIwNXCZ bFm1owvNOKZMz4T2NuLmXt3eyU7TdUbDzdEbMHJD0vBcrdatCM6D3sZY97WoQzo9 HTiN0sR9AbZ/bpADKWRVoZ/6YuwaqukM+pEzsALDQH/nebuK02bBHe8FyDjztge2 jrydcx5enfmYCJO753+XNXacOUvJfU/4gNCgdyGVdsItfSYVZABWayVlaFym63Wt wJvBF7id/DmTJVcvHhqQ0UxWtFrrn7Xsqq8o0i/neM/q2X6Q8khBRg7iT+fsc1Zc lOF1gadM/sNXJMs2WrWU0oTzYVoIW4x9tkDV7io5K4pkbboE4B08kEXfdQO1cCAr 8klTA/VZj9mglExqt8fcXLbJheyubR36I7UrNQLdAuLQn9XAmJcF1Q8gwiqaSu6T C4JCfqkWQN/d+8OUYGjsRxfntlq7cMM= =j4Z7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython-Improve mailing list EuroPython-Improve@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve
Re: [EuroPython-Improve] [EuroPython-Members] EuroPython Reboot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Pinner wrote: It's been pointed out that I had a Senior Moment and left out the proposed meeting date from my previous mail. But it's on the wiki page Sunday 21st September 2014, 11:00 am local time (BST). Making such an announcement three days in advance is not very helpful. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJUGrSMAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjH5YLvjwlX7wtxhcdcsr19TceqwTx Gyt3ur6nvuEDX6DbJqtRVMRIuUx8D0FznvUocHsuo1OY73XaZ8MaKk3EqJt0Jw3y P+ScG7HpKt/idCx8seu479iC5Qa1K3/yiPCw/wujpOFCZTeCS/kcr2cIq7p203q4 zI66HRgY8QKWxihXGN+1vkGivHDd2I4tLGa17clRcTudbwXIeNUIfOSU6QSJjyA1 ZYj+c7LYpaB+oah6SGQVQlv/qC2eh10h/ZpmnBoF9IHChk7vNwdV0Mnn2dqwqvjT LZYIXOP6hcyPgkR6aKfKhURnkqEdcaKXyOiSwEoogcjTYb0QjLLNlpiOKNTp5ECR 56U+wBnuHge8M4wcXQtKG31UgfCKirramJhvnXYFlk+4+eiLt5zbtR+VOkPYso2n 8wyvUjxeCf8e+aCqiTXh22rBlFIvmB9L+W6s6T1yRLThz0ZhLABHQE8wXG45pXgl NCjCNXKNHYdBnD/pW1hA7DKFW1b5xPQ= =YIYx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython-Improve mailing list EuroPython-Improve@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve
Re: [EuroPython] [Guidebook Support] Re: My schedule disappeared
Am 19.07.2014 um 01:49 schrieb Roberto Martínez robertomartin...@gmail.com: Hi folks, I was using the Guidebook app making my own schedule for the Europython, when suddenly the My Schedule option disappeared. I thought there was a bug in the Guidebook app, but after a few mails with the support team it seems that one of the admins (Andreas Jung ^ Markus Holtermann) disabled this option. Will be back later…unfortunately the Guidebook import procedures are not every organizer friendly with incremental updates or complete re-imports regarding „My schedule“. You learn the pitfalls of tools while you use them. -aj ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Attendee Wiki: https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
[EuroPython] Update for EuroPython Angels/Volunteers
EuroPython 2014 is in less than five days and we still need more volunteers for various tasks during the conference. Please see check our former blog post [1] and see the Angels FAQ [3]. If you have not registered yet then please proceed with the registration [2] as soon as possible. For angels registered with the volunteer management system: please add yourself to the shifts that fit your interest, please fill the remaining slots. Do not be afraid that you will miss imporant talks. There are also options to work as video angel where you can both listen to a talk and help the video team. You will receive an introduction to the tasks during the initial briefings - we will not leave you alone. Your benefits as EuroPython Angel: • Best option for getting in touch with new people • Get an awesome lemon green EuroPython Staff TShirt • Show everyone your support to the Python community (by wearing your special lemon green TShirt) • With a minimum of 20 hours spent as an angel you will receive a REFUND of 50% on your ticket price [1] http://blog.europython.eu/post/91750665002/become-an-angel-help-us-at-europython-2014 [2] https://staff.ep14.org/ [3] https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/volunteers/angel-faq/ ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Attendee Wiki: https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
Re: [EuroPython] Travel information for EuroPython 2014
Am 14.07.2014 um 15:51 schrieb Hynek Schlawack h...@ox.cx: Hi, On 14 Jul 2014, at 14:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: into the EuroPython website page for travel infos: * https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/venue/public-transportation/ Please note that over EuroPython there’ll be no S-Bahn service between Zoologischer Garten and Friedrichstr: http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2014/084_stadtbahnsperrung.htm That means that you can’t get from Hauptbahnhof (main station) to Alexanderplatz (which is one stop after Friedrichstr.) using the S-Bahn. There’ll be replacements services using buses and you can use the U-Bahn (U2) from Zoo to Alexanderplatz, it just takes a lot longer so plan ahead. This sucks big time, maybe it should be added to the page mentioned above. I added this weeks ago…am I missing something? Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Travel information for EuroPython 2014
Well, which airport? As written U2 or bus will work two between Zoologischer Garten and Alexanderplatz. Andreas Am 14.07.2014 um 16:17 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg m...@europython.eu: On 14.07.2014 16:08, Hynek Schlawack wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 15:55, Andreas Jung wrote: into the EuroPython website page for travel infos: * https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/venue/public-transportation/ Please note that over EuroPython there’ll be no S-Bahn service between Zoologischer Garten and Friedrichstr: http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2014/084_stadtbahnsperrung.htm That means that you can’t get from Hauptbahnhof (main station) to Alexanderplatz (which is one stop after Friedrichstr.) using the S-Bahn. There’ll be replacements services using buses and you can use the U-Bahn (U2) from Zoo to Alexanderplatz, it just takes a lot longer so plan ahead. This sucks big time, maybe it should be added to the page mentioned above. I added this weeks ago…am I missing something? No, sorry I am. :) For some reason I both missed it and used wrong search terms when double checking whether I’ve missed it. Sorry for the noise. m( Does this suspension of service also have an effect for people arriving from the airports ? If so, I'll add a note to those sections as well. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Director EuroPython Society http://www.europython-society.org/ ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Travel information for EuroPython 2014
Am 14.07.2014 um 16:39 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg m...@europython.eu: On 14.07.2014 16:26, Hynek Schlawack wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 16:17, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: into the EuroPython website page for travel infos: * https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/venue/public-transportation/ Please note that over EuroPython there’ll be no S-Bahn service between Zoologischer Garten and Friedrichstr: http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2014/084_stadtbahnsperrung.htm That means that you can’t get from Hauptbahnhof (main station) to Alexanderplatz (which is one stop after Friedrichstr.) using the S-Bahn. There’ll be replacements services using buses and you can use the U-Bahn (U2) from Zoo to Alexanderplatz, it just takes a lot longer so plan ahead. This sucks big time, maybe it should be added to the page mentioned above. I added this weeks ago…am I missing something? No, sorry I am. :) For some reason I both missed it and used wrong search terms when double checking whether I’ve missed it. Sorry for the noise. m( Does this suspension of service also have an effect for people arriving from the airports ? If so, I'll add a note to those sections as well. Depends where they arrive *to*. It’s a very important leg connecting east and west so if someone arrives for instance at SXF and has accommodation in the western city, chances are they are affected (although they should take a train then which are *not* affected). In order to get from TXL or SXF to Alexanderplatz you shouldn’t need to use that part of the network though. Ok. I was specifically curious about TXL/SXF - Alexanderplatz, since there are sections on the page explaining these particular routes. Well, download the BVG app, it will tell you :-) Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Become an Angel - Help us at EuroPython 2014
EuroPython will be a big conference and a big conference needs lots of volunteers for making this conference a real success. You want to become an Angel? Angels are our volunteers that help us handling various tasks during the conference. Why be a volunteer? • Get an awesome lemon green EuroPython Staff TShirt • Show everyone your support to the Python community (by wearing your special lemon green TShirt) • With a minimum of 20 hours spent as a volunteer you will receive a REFUND of 50% on your ticket price Last but not least: you become an angel Please check out the full Volunteer aka Angel FAQ and then register as Angel and hopefully welcome to EuroPython heaven! Help us to make EuroPython 2014 the best EuroPython conference ever and a memorable experience for all attending Pythonistas. https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/volunteers/angel-faq/ https://staff.ep14.org/ Regards Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Important EuroPython Updates
Hello, thanks to Mark-André for forwarding some information from the EP Blog. Please follow the updates on the blog as primary and complete resource for EuroPython related information and logistics. Thanks Andreas Am 24.06.2014 um 22:35 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg m...@europython.eu: http://blog.europython.eu/ http://blog.europython.eu/rss (using RSS) https://www.tumblr.com/follow/europython (using Tumblr) or follow the Twitter and Facebook accounts, which do get the blog entries as (additional) feed: https://twitter.com/europython https://www.facebook.com/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Will the talks be recorded? Annoyances with scheduling.
Short answer: yes, this is planned. Andreas Am 16.06.2014 um 13:53 schrieb Phillip Oldham phillip.old...@gmail.com: Can anyone tell me whether the talks this year will be recorded and made available online? I’ve just started making a list of the talks I’d like to attend and I’m rather disappointed to find that a number of talks around distributed programming I’m keen to attend are set for the same slot on the same day. In fact, I’ve noticed it has happened a couple of times where similarly themed talks have been scheduled for the same time. I understand that there will always be talks that you can’t attend, but maybe a little thought could’ve gone into talk themes so they wouldn’t’ve been scheduled together. ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython blog article about my talk
I am the author of all blog entries. Andreas Am 15.06.2014 um 19:58 schrieb Stefan Schwarzer sschwar...@sschwarzer.net: Hi, I'm happy to see my upcoming talk mentioned on the EuroPython blog [1]. Thanks! :-) However, I noticed several problems with the article and wanted to contact someone to fix them. The authors of the blog articles don't seem to be given, but the footer of the blog refers to the EuroPython Society. [2] From all the links on that page I believe the one to the mailing list is most appropriate. If I should contact someone else, please let me know. [1] http://blog.europython.eu/post/88542061047/featured-talk-support-python-2-and-3-with-the-same [2] http://www.europython-society.org/contact The problems with the blog article from my point of view: - Clicking the title link gives me an error Seite nicht gefunden. This seems to be the case for all links to talks in the blog. - It would be nice if the link Stefan Schwarzer after the talk title should refer to my company home page [3] as the linked private page is rather old and I admit I haven't updated it for quite some time. (It's still mostly up to date.) That said, if you think the link to the private page fits the purpose of the blog better, I'm ok with keeping the link. :) [3] http://sschwarzer.com/en/ - The link freelancer at the end of the article refers back to the article itself. I guess it should refer to my company homepage [3]. - The last sentence reads, He is the maintainer of the FTP client library. I don't think I'm the maintainer of the FTP library. ;-) In my opinion it should read He is the maintainer of the FTP client library ftputil., ideally with a link to the project page [4]. [4] http://ftputil.sschwarzer.net/ Again, nonetheless thanks for the article. Thanks for all your work. :-) Best regards, Stefan ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone interested?
Hello Oisin, we decided that you can go forward and transfer your tickets to other persons through https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/tickets/mine/ (you need to specify the usernames of the target persons). I hope this solves your problem. Regards Andreas Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill oisin.mulvih...@gmail.com: Hi There, Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two early bird personal tickets which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment. Is anyone interested? Thanks, Oisin ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone interested?
Hello Osin early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket price. https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf Regards Andreas Jung Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill oisin.mulvih...@gmail.com: Hi There, Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two early bird personal tickets which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment. Is anyone interested? Thanks, Oisin ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone interested?
Hello, https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/ticket-sale/ states “““ Discounts Discounts are available for • Speakers: 25% • Trainers and keynote speakers: 100% Discounts will be reimbursed at a later time after the scheduling has been completed. Early Bird tickets can not be transferred to other persons. ““ This clause exists in order to avoid people buying lots of early bird tickets in batches in order to resell them later. This is the reason why early bird tickets can not be transferred. Regards Andreas Am 26.05.2014 um 18:42 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill oisin.mulvih...@gmail.com: I thought you could assign it to anyone on the system. I could assign it without selling it? That seems a bit unfair, particularly since they will sell again for full price. I've no problem donating to python, but this doesn't exactly fit with the spirit of europython's I know. Its seem unusually money grabbing. I guess rules must be followed... On 26 May 2014 16:45, Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com wrote: Hello Osin early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket price. https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf Regards Andreas Jung Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill oisin.mulvih...@gmail.com: Hi There, Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two early bird personal tickets which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment. Is anyone interested? Thanks, Oisin ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone interested?
Hello Rob, Am 26.05.2014 um 23:04 schrieb Rob Collins rob.coll...@pythonpro.co.uk: Hi Andreas I too, read the terms and conditions, when I realised that I would be unable to attend EuroPython 2014. As instructed, I sent an email to the help desk on 1 May 2014. Hello Unfortunately, for family health and other reasons, I will not be able to attend EuroPython in Berlin this year. I bought an early bird ticket. Is there a way that I can legitimately resell this, or can I get a refund on it, so you can resell it as a full-price ticket? Thanks, Rob Collins To date, I have had no reply, from the help desk or anybody else. according to our tracker we replied on 06/05/2014 by email: ““ Dear Rob, as of our GTC you have two options: • You can name another person for your ticket at no costs. • You can cancel your Application. Participation fees already paid will be returned in the amount of 80% of the ticket price of our invoice EP14-00165 within 30 days. Best regards, Daniel ““ Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pro rata ?
Hi Svaksha, See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata It basically means that the financial aid committee has the freedom to decide how much financial support can be given for travel and housing depending on the application, level of volunteering and so on. Since the budget for financial assistance is not infinite the committee has to make decisions in order to spread money in a reasonable way the across elegible applicats. The decision for the final round will be made after the deadline which ends tonight. Regards Andreas Jung Am 15.05.2014 um 13:49 schrieb svakSha svak...@gmail.com: Hi, There was a Pyladies email regarding the FA and I was in the middle of writing the application and realised I didnt quite understand what this sentence means. From, https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/financial-assistance/, Get a standard ticket for free and we will cover the travel and accommodation costs pro rata, depending on what you are applying for. Sorry about the last minute query but can someone explain what the pro rata in this sentence means? AFAIK, a standard dictionary meaning states that the costs are not fully covered, so would it mean that partial grants are given? - a bummer for folks from third world countries like mine. I'm from India and the Rupee-Euro exchange rates make travel and accommodation costs frightfully expensive, so from one volunteer to another, I'd rather not waste another volunteers time by making them read my application and then have to return the prorata/partial funding at the last minute if I am unable to find a sponsor for the remaining difference. Have I misunderstood what pro rata means? Thanks. - Svaksha ॥ http://about.me/svaksha ॥ ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Talks and trainings available
http://blog.europython.eu/post/85012934882/trainings-and-talks-available ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
Hello Marc-André, Am 05.05.2014 um 08:04 schrieb Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com: Am 03.05.2014 um 12:59 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg m...@python.org: On 02.05.2014 09:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote: Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website. Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website. Could you perhaps give me edit rights or add a reference to the attendee wiki to the EP 2014 website ? https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014 Sorry for answering late but I have been extremely busy over the last few days. Of course we will grant access to the CMS for volunteers supporting us with content management etc. I was just surprised seeing uncoordinated and not communicated efforts regarding the Wiki. we would appreciate if you could contribute to the EP organization by taking over some responsibility for the related areas of the website where people contribute links and insight through the wiki. The information should be verified and consolidated into our CMS. Just mail your account name and I will grant you the necessary rights in the CMS. Regards Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website. -aj Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg m...@europython.eu: Hello all, I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect useful information or organize themselves at or for the event: https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014 Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started adding some additional travel information to the page. Cheers, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Director EuroPython Society http://www.europython-society.org/ ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees
Am 16.04.2014 um 06:41 schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org: I was wondering the same. Diversity in a cultural and geographic sense is important. Especially in such a cosmopolitan multicultural place like Europe. Diversity (where women are one part of the medal) is a process and can not be realized by-law or by-order. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees
Am 16.04.2014 um 08:27 schrieb Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com: Hey, On 04/16/2014 11:56 AM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: Having in mind that there is gap disproportion between wealth level of Western and Eastern Europe I'm curious if EPS or anybody feeling responsible for EuroPython thinks about addressing that problem in future? You're suggesting active outreach to Python organizations in Eastern Europe to see whether they want to host EuroPython? I think that’s a good idea. The selection process has been always open afaik. You need enough people doing the work, you need to write a proposal and submit it if there is an EPS call for the next conference. As far as I recall for there was a proposal by the polish Python community for the 2014/15 conference. There had been conferences e.g. like the Plone conference (Python-based CMS) many years ago in Budapest, several people already added the RuPy in Poland over the last years…I think there is nobody say „we don’t want conferences in Eastern Europe“….it is a question of consensus among the local python user groups in each country in order to do such an effort. For the sake on completeness: the 2014 Python conference in Ukraine had to be cancelled for well-known reasons. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees
Am 16.04.2014 um 09:52 schrieb Filip Kłębczyk fklebc...@gmail.com: W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: The selection process has been always open afaik. Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 hosting? Where are the criteria that decided German proposal was better than the one from Belgium. In my opinion process is not open and transparent. Ask EPS. You need enough people doing the work, you need to write a proposal and submit it if there is an EPS call for the next conference. As far as I recall for there was a proposal by the polish Python community for the 2014/15 conference. There wasn't for a good reason. I recommend you to talk to Marc-Andre Lemburg, maybe he can explain you how the situation looked like. Also I recommend you reading the mails on this mailing list since June 2012. Please what? There had been conferences e.g. like the Plone conference (Python-based CMS) many years ago in Budapest, several people already added the RuPy in Poland over the last years… I think there is nobody say „we don’t want conferences in Eastern Europe“….it is a question of consensus among the local python user groups in each country in order to do such an effort. For the sake on completeness: the 2014 Python conference in Ukraine had to be cancelled for well-known reasons. Andreas, I think we are talking about Europython here, not about being happy that other conferences take place in Eastern Europe. No idea what your point is. I suggest you speak to EPS directly. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Please sign up as reviewer for EuroPython 2014 - thanks !
Hi René, the review phase is basically over. Andreas Am 22.03.2014 um 10:17 schrieb René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com: Hello, looks like the Apply to be reviewer button is gone. Is it closed? https://github.com/EuroPython/djep/issues/104 The interest tags from previous years were quite useful. So people could opt in to make public a list of things they were interested in. So then, it was easy to contact people of similar interests. https://github.com/EuroPython/djep/issues/105 cheers, On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com wrote: Am 15.03.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Markus Holtermann i...@markusholtermann.eu: Hey Mark, although I'm not a part of the program committee, looking at your profile directly shows the reason why your application has been declined. Quoting from the Call for Reviewers page[1]: Please make sure that your profile describes yourself and your areas of expertise a bit, since we would like to disclose the list of reviewers to the community. This is exactly the reason. With more than 160 reviewer requests it is just not possible to ask a bunch of times back until a profile mets a certain minimum standard. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 – Berlin, 21th–27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Please sign up as reviewer for EuroPython 2014 - thanks !
Am 15.03.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Markus Holtermann i...@markusholtermann.eu: Hey Mark, although I'm not a part of the program committee, looking at your profile directly shows the reason why your application has been declined. Quoting from the Call for Reviewers page[1]: Please make sure that your profile describes yourself and your areas of expertise a bit, since we would like to disclose the list of reviewers to the community. This is exactly the reason. With more than 160 reviewer requests it is just not possible to ask a bunch of times back until a profile mets a certain minimum standard. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Hey, what about the Zen of Python conferences?
Please join the team as reviewer or as volunteer. Please be constructive in order to help organizing the 2014 conference…otherwise please keep your energy for the 2015 organization. The 2014 organization does not happen _here_. Regards, Andreas Am 13.02.2014 um 16:22 schrieb Rob Collins rob.coll...@pythonpro.co.uk: Let's keep the affordable community origins of EuroPython. *** Simple is better than complex. *** Some people are asking for clarity and openness. *** Explicit is better than implicit. *** *** If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea. *** Some people are raising exceptions for discussion. *** Errors should never pass silently. *** The alternative to EAFP is LBYL, not Tough. This is how it is. Keep quiet. So let's take a specific example: in the Verband conference proposal, under Expected differences from EuroPython 2010/2011/2012 they listed only two items: Scholar students, and Barcamp. No mention of abandoning the binding requirement to use the Python Italia website platform. No mention of replacing community voting with a closed talk selection process. I like the idea of everyone getting a say on all the talks proposed. Let's apply the Zen of Python, and discuss why we can't still have community voting for EuroPython 2014. Rob Collins ___ EuroPython 2014 – Berlin, 21th–27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Call for Volunteer/Invitation to the orga meeting on Thursday this week
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Pinner wrote: Hello, On 11 February 2014 10:12, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, please take notice our the Call for volunteers https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/volunteers/ All Python ladies and gentlemen from the Berlin area that interested in volunteering are invited to join the next meeting this week on Thursday (see link above). Will you be on IRC ? John -- Find us on #europython-orga on Freenode. Andreas - -- Regards Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com about.me/andreasjung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS+iXtAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjP14Lv1GjRwz54Tv+MkiEjHonaT7n 3ic40S8P/fzIcpMODNrFB11Qmabl/vI4JSKxLXIYCbYeH6IHOQJxFLcK5fobby3I jN8s/i3T6I67omQ20TY9XDLZoMeuTbV+1QSrn4dWd2ebshVE1hE9R3qw4Zeqgwci yUXz5VeUET+OmkL1v4fzeV9Oug9l2fbXozV4UDrAfDhyr1r0BleGnmdcC9/AyEM9 FWbeK0shwXdst+C02Byev3qisD7shPLM5O/nWdvauipbDvREBZdTUaQFiaiQjrDp tZ17o6DkZDX0c7nrH6deg7WiLGeV5by165ret43uCVZKRlij07Hied025EH8Fk5m Hm1iRib/A52IxcP/5L6uTOrU+XjpcmrmPJoNFOhX8qqwb9/gSigaD5B9e0Q5MZrK lcBtxXfEBZp7ZYnIQMy2/j/VA66Q/IgcUnKzoKrLDL60Fyff1ptKnaZmox83lcKf epBt228quXyKzNJtLbTGaarwN2R84+4= =Gttf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Call for Reviewers
Hi Rob, I am sorry but we can not discuss every detail in public (and we must not). The organizing entities are the Python Software Verband e.V. in cooperation with the EuroPython Society and there is already a lot of communication and discussions going on. If a growing number of attendees there are always people that have their own wishes and complaints. There is no way doing it 100% right for everyone. Andreas Am 10.02.2014 um 11:50 schrieb Rob Collins rob.coll...@pythonpro.co.uk: Hi Andreas If you talk about the reviewer process: no, there is no public voting for talks like it was in Florence. Would it be helpful to analyse the problem as follows? • EuroPython at Florence was a great success for three years • We are looking for the same sort of thing in Berlin • There are major changes the new organisers have made (e.g. much higher prices, no public voting) • There has been little advance explanation of the reasons for these (presumably well thought out) changes Please could you open up your planning process, particularly letting us know the reasons for changes before they happen, rather than having to respond to complaints? Thanks for all your hard work in putting on this conference! Best wishes Rob Collins PythonPro Ltd On 10 February 2014 05:00, Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com wrote: Hello Amirouche, I don't understand what you mean with open. The EP orga team does not work differently like many other open-source or scientific conferences. If you talk about the reviewer process: no, there is no public voting for talks like it was in Florence. The reviews will be carried out by reviewer team where everyone can participate. The EP organization is also open to everyone that is interested and able to contribute to the success of the conference. The organization is as open as possible and I want to stress out that it is as open as other conferences in the same field - nothing more, nothing less. Regards Andreas Jung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications EuroPython 2014 - The European Python Conference in Berlin 21-27 July 2014 at bcc Berlin Congress Center Meet with the Python community: tutorials, talks, sprints and socializing ep2014.europython.eu - @europython on Twitter - facebook.com/europython On 9 Feb 2014, at 22:23, Amirouche Boubekki wrote: Why isn't all the process *open*? Where are the sources? Why the organisation use private mailling lists? Why financial matters must stay hidden? 2014-02-09 15:28 GMT+01:00 Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com: Please see: http://blog.europython.eu/post/76109857365/call-for-reviewers-get-involved-and-and-help-the Andreas Jung ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Call for Reviewers
Please see: http://blog.europython.eu/post/76109857365/call-for-reviewers-get-involved-and-and-help-the Andreas Jung ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Call for Reviewers
Hello Amirouche, I don't understand what you mean with open. The EP orga team does not work differently like many other open-source or scientific conferences. If you talk about the reviewer process: no, there is no public voting for talks like it was in Florence. The reviews will be carried out by reviewer team where everyone can participate. The EP organization is also open to everyone that is interested and able to contribute to the success of the conference. The organization is as open as possible and I want to stress out that it is as open as other conferences in the same field - nothing more, nothing less. Regards Andreas Jung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications EuroPython 2014 - The European Python Conference in Berlin 21-27 July 2014 at bcc Berlin Congress Center Meet with the Python community: tutorials, talks, sprints and socializing ep2014.europython.eu - @europython on Twitter - facebook.com/europython On 9 Feb 2014, at 22:23, Amirouche Boubekki wrote: Why isn't all the process *open*? Where are the sources? Why the organisation use private mailling lists? Why financial matters must stay hidden? 2014-02-09 15:28 GMT+01:00 Andreas Jung e...@zopyx.com: Please see: http://blog.europython.eu/post/76109857365/call-for-reviewers-get-involved-and-and-help-the Andreas Jung ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Extra Personal ticket charge to Early Bird conditions on Monday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Armin Rigo wrote: Hi Andreas, On 8 February 2014 08:14, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: At least the organization team has a financial plan and a budget and it is _obvious_ to every child that can calculate that you can not sell an undetermined number of tickets to a reduced price over some fixed period if you don't want to run over your budget. Andreas, this tone seems unsuitable to me. Are you calling the organizers of all previous EuroPython conferences childs that can't calculate? Are you calling childish all previous Pythoneers that naively expect a similar model in this EuroPython than what they are used to? If you are, you're alienating them very quickly. You are not explaining how previous EuroPythons managed to do it while your team doesn't. First I commented only on Jacob de Vera's expectations about what early bird means. Second: it is obvious that there is a certain financial risk organizing such a big conference with a budget of several hundred thousand euros. So what is please your point with this approach? Do you expect that we sell an unlimited amount of discounted tickets with the risk of a financial loss? Do you expect that the standard and ondesk prices would remain the same with this approach? Of course everyone wants cheap tickets but the costs per person for location, catering etc. remain the same and must be paid by someone. Once again: having a limited number of tickets for a reduced price is not uncommon for conferences. The amount of tickets and their prices depend a lot of the location and local costs. If you are interested in the calculation for the conference then please contact the finance team - we have nothing to hide. Regarding this tone: calling use very unprofessional or comments like pigheaded from some other person is not very helpful and motivating for the people working very hard at the moment. Everyone is invited helping us making this the best and largest EuroPython ever - but *please* don't shoot us continuously in the back. Thanks Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9hCiAAoJEADcfz7u4AZj3EMLvRPiflFHj2VBUZtxnEL5+LDL 8TSduTDO4EuXklgr1NmzKbFGkgX9TyeGlF+vT7uTZO8KnelN5yqDsRDyZYkq76OS 0QH8Iw5iBjeVUoU0P/vkpF8p1+sS0Fg1lDeVBTTknnC7TXluXcuFs+jg3rXHxTsm WXZjjHYc9yBj2MO91SNfsPEEmn/TMIndWHWACqD9sLJIuZNtfR1k6eO+9wdUS0ap EUg7O0DO8XTxtNiJpdN5swBgmzgh4hKMV2lvPlk4Rx2O7dZsZtanPKrYPyCo0bGh dR/gvoksXKWyDHxtP7YEYvY9iq18SGC/ZtuUJWRV9KLp+lCf0DjRft1T4ypnQyor 2moMpeL2QT+jg7e/Qq7cI2XsgTZW/rECZx1H0epBm7JPlsQelCbgOWmhaQxuH1sA 4HkzPZATmS7udP7zes1gpGsU4pdRiHjs+ykxO3qi44txd0blGZipOSL/ZS8ZpKU+ 8IvHKlUJ9J60rAysKqczniMtWfxGZqA= =0z6W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] More thoughts about conference's fees
Georg Brandl wrote: Am 07.02.2014 02:47, schrieb Samet Atdağ: Then PSF kindly paid my costs in 2013 for PyCon. This year PyCon will be in Montreal, I can't attend because of dates. And I can't attend Europython because I'm not supported by any company, I missed early bird tickets and 400€ is not cheap. I want to attend Python conferences. But if registration fees are expensive, it'll be like a private party, less number of people will show up and probably individuals not supported by any company will miss the fun. I'll miss the fun. Ah yes. It used to be that Early Bird is open to anyone booking in a fixed time span. Now it's 300 first-come, first-serve tickets sold out after not even 24 hours?! The Personal Early Bird tickets have been sold completely during the first day. There are a couple of student and business tickets in the early bird category left. Andreas ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Extra Personal ticket charge to Early Bird conditions on Monday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please see http://blog.europython.eu/post/75895165264/early-bird-personal-tickets-sold-out-next-charge-on Regards Andreas Jung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications EuroPython 2014 - The European Python Conference in Berlin 21-27 July 2014 at bcc Berlin Congress Center Meet with the Python community: tutorials, talks, sprints and socializing ep2014.europython.eu - @europython on Twitter - facebook.com/europython -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9ORdAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjDiELwLnQY4kqvZnM064/8LGX9IfC 2utUF3Rhshj7TSiJcGj/DM5y2aVpn8Zve3zLErzNDF6Qam4I1WeerEprVOKvw0cO 7FvfFdpLG4GewOG9/se9Bdha8r5Ych/GNgBLqg93SMzDfgiI6NeHSHlqmd7pZeB3 sOyyCQFZlPmWbENitg7rvAiJF2+mKm5Lx8eihy0n6zrbxUQdCqcJTqXB5IG3F/hq gVbB6NHEgeZDGVCn7FAPPHTUQ8bxJRFvv+QiQnSksE3HcGG3mG1RUDpXidr8j1As vkeS2SfYeUH2FB2bOAuaIWwjfn2Y1HWWbtM+W66A3AuPsxSzK+XQoErqwPFjop9m ywamH7cmyR9iOtCUt8uxNCgcC4NITkOv0KOvVJS7agyDhwWzZXKvF2ndnhzey8SZ l5vOY+vGC7ynvWolHuhHNAhARORJsnknC0D99QGARnPFUURv8PKNTTd0cWU3PdT0 tBJs3uQj0IPygQDeDWYVmeWcxtRDoQU= =LSfr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] saving money with accomodation / mobile phones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Waldmann wrote: Hi, I have followed the slightly heated discussion about conference prices and earlybird. I don't think I can contribute much to that discussion (except noting that I usually bought lite ticket for cheaper in the past), but I wanted to be constructive and ask / suggest something else that could contribute to keep total costs lower than with other solutions: Accommodation = I found it quite nice that in Florence (and also at other locations before that), they made a deal with one hotel (in that case: the conference hotel) to offer relatively low prices for the conference participants and that room sharing was realized with no coordination effort from the participant's side. See website... Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9OccAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjWgoLvAmsJcd7/h5u98X6LW0dhaL8 ZwDgdPKTMy8rgV5eRV6AtL+uKu+plwGl9WPdJeszI9krRNX7wfN9W7JZMaLh9LOf 9wXdxc8cv8F4Bb4T1UwY2Mo9MsENRyWQLifI/JZWOWQvSigS9qaeuDH+gjCrnMml bJlhuwrh24YYx1nfkDPC3iKipauxU5+769XiJWUCAHCaEYrJlOYSNONWvUhc87yC qltMNcwpvYU1JIq/UIKoEkZBkRb/p96vi+JZyYoFwI4HTkgouir9ujiTT7Id5Uzb VoOwjhE5c4FNsMOhmuBIN/YC5+svarvFsyilEw/MqgGhoiuFRWD/23ft14oO73Zi vqAirRzlmnUjbsRb1aRmHPAZcvEKcdbY9GFw1l9Zn5pXxzalfl2nvcaclO9lT/Qf RwT3ztYBD7k6C+1LrgoDDi1HiZqPcZl3dpCSoqlHbwnVsYvZLddwj9dv1vgQv/Fj cM3CIBBxzYLhhTC6/qLkEcmylwvh9p4= =eJlv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] saving money with accomodation / mobile phones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Berlin also offers a _lots_ of rental appartments in various prices ranges. Check Airbn or related sites. If you can find two or three Pythonista willing to share an appartment will make the accomodation cheapof course you have to find some breakfast yourself but Berlin is pretty cheap when it comes to food and restaurant prices. Andreas Hynek Schlawack wrote: On 7 Feb 2014, at 15:30, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: You can then find the link to the hotel list under Venue: https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/venue/accommodation/ Unfortunately, the prices listed on the page are not much different than what you can get from typical hotel booking sites at the moment, but they may prove useful close to the event when prices tend to go up: http://www.kayak.de/hotels/Berlin,Deutschland-c9109/2014-07-20/2014-07-27 Some more suggestions from a native: – http://www.ibis.com/de/hotel-5513-ibis-budget-berlin-alexanderplatz/index.shtml which is really near the BCC (and I live next to it :)) and pretty cheap (there’s currently an early saver tariff that gives your 20.7.–27.7. for 282,60 € which averages to 40,37 €/night). – http://www.mercure.com/de/hotel-8312-mercure-hotel-berlin-am-alexanderplatz/index.shtml is around the corner too but a lot more expensive (~75 €/night). – If you’re okay with bunks, https://www.meininger-hotels.com/ has rates as low as 25 €/night. Cheers —h ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython - -- Regards Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com about.me/andreasjung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9P1cAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjpocLv16j89t7GIig/z+yHxZyVwuq tvK3RVhfJAB4PKebTfFphVMlmlA5+kCf/rLKI2QV+RH3EST1MLmkU+FU+pop3HAr A4ox+4Vos5TytxI95z7HLgXplut6kIz8kQ1+vGoS+Gkvyv7ijkb/SWfeAlXy2S2s DtukP38pSryjAmt4lF/hcu99gnA/K52h02Dk2Unq/YVg8fn3s9EXZGQNR0sadM9+ 3/BQU9bME0cuEKuPPMsJWwUAK3hbX2uqxP+c/MIRG6fba9aQu7X0i91ze+ofmnZu SERNjFPP3PWg+RjykXTiT+7ByDxF7NPJF6q8hcEKd47NNiIWkZNxaDVOpradY6GZ mYMdSlVKhHDwhbzoDSKekbO3Ml+dGQWUf+dOz5Pl6mAjD58GwbTpizknbiwEHJRB A9ro+y2xJAqEHK5X2sfds6j/Veqv1rVtmnExooQcOhM9aFcu1tzJQncIfIxsm5Ps q6j3xHFLJr7CM5qsJakAfOUG4a4OMgw= =o9OF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Extra Personal ticket charge to Early Bird conditions on Monday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reimar Bauer wrote: We are the early birds, here, paying attention to this list and still getting frustrated because, judging by how fast the first batch was sold out, we are going to have to enter a strong competition of hitting F5 faster than anyone so we can get the early bird ticket. This organisation method seems very unprofessional, and it seems to be based on figuring things out as we go along. Well, this is not the first year the conference is held, why not use the expertise from precious years? why this desire to do everything new and different? is it trying to prove a point? Please stop trolling and calling us unprofessional just because you did not understand the concept of early. It has been clearly announced that we would give out 300 tickets for reduced prices (which is almost 1/3 or 1/4 of all tickets). Nobody did expect that the personal tickets would sell that well (thank btw. to all the people that made an Early Bird purchase). At least the organization team has a financial plan and a budget and it is _obvious_ to every child that can calculate that you can not sell an undetermined number of tickets to a reduced price over some fixed period if you don't want to run over your budget. Adding 50 more tickets to the Early Bird sale gives us possibly less financial flexibility with other things. So I once again reject your very unprofessional claim. Many people of the organization team have been Python, Zope and Plone conferences for the last ten years. Feel free to participate in the organization or please think about your allegations next time. Andreas Jung (EuroPython 2014 Organizer) Regards Andreas Jung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9dlqAAoJEADcfz7u4AZj5soLvjvmi7wy3BJwYtsdY7DSL6Nd Xa6xwTIPuzEOhUK2mt5oEEDBEgTjpHRMbCovBZ7hiHG1LxOdFIXYeUdC3Cnx54Ne r/jYqf5E0E2pvhhbRXaLVHhzUXcJ2kQ0LXJmZ2EVJPktpXvWnNHhjX7l8+xeeAjH Bq2fFlGS9yClR9zR90SojidxL6cYvehPrw+swuiW5n/HkP/o+8ilam86byJxwD7G g242mTyHz5Z2Q4ejFuU27vEo0ByZuE6q9/fOvRZE5hfa720TcEcxbWZTjOQ5bHNK xLksUhWF8eUzS3dYYX4yKcdKGcoc3ZhEYLYmTBC8todARfttbovUuO0z/5cGUQZL /aneh8r5TMxFhYCRvDJYfY7jgweVz/ZqPZSOr7ALFly6KC3+/NoK07S3TU/jPl9r W6eFr4eP5vTK9nQ1Ajvm4JQ80IdT6Q2ESjszmeF6blfTn5jNvnh5yQ8TGAJXTBsq 7MoZjxrkovcyIj7E4f/4tVQYgIx0kHk= =963e -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Extra Personal ticket charge to Early Bird conditions on Monday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: Reimar Bauer wrote: We are the early birds, here, paying attention to this list and still getting frustrated because, judging by how fast the first batch was sold out, we are going to have to enter a strong competition of hitting F5 faster than anyone so we can get the early bird ticket. This organisation method seems very unprofessional, and it seems to be based on figuring things out as we go along. Well, this is not the first year the conference is held, why not use the expertise from precious years? why this desire to do everything new and different? is it trying to prove a point? Please stop trolling and calling us unprofessional just because you did not understand the concept of early. It has been clearly announced that we would give out 300 tickets for reduced prices (which is almost 1/3 or 1/4 of all tickets). Nobody did expect that the personal tickets would sell that well (thank btw. to all the people that made an Early Bird purchase). At least the organization team has a financial plan and a budget and it is _obvious_ to every child that can calculate that you can not sell an undetermined number of tickets to a reduced price over some fixed period if you don't want to run over your budget. Adding 50 more tickets to the Early Bird sale gives us possibly less financial flexibility with other things. So I once again reject your very unprofessional claim. Many people of the organization team have been Python, Zope and Plone conferences for the last ten years. Feel free to participate in the organization or please think about your allegations next time. Just a side note: also the US PyCon takes the same road with giving a fixed number of 800 tickets to early bird conditions to the public (with a expected number of 2000 atteendes). https://us.pycon.org/2014/registration/ If your budget is fixed than it is obvious that a larger number of reduced tickets have an impact on the prices of other ticket categories. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS9d1DAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjNUMLwObleb52cxk0GLfvfSxGoHEw lYEh3PwpMUPe6vcWEc3elvoqi57Vq3gMb+3S12lM2bDusM7laC+Mvq0hVU/Qcvp+ Pfvwq/BvalUyqx8jHgivEPjwLX2yjxMG5f+AJogskFjwE0DdBlDnhqy7GIWDxtEr F/sG6DHDzjktTBSQGOmwDuCZ9Pn7xmUAqFbin3l39ymH2jP2izhdvV7So1i8LrGJ SVUVtd6ZgJqbs4Vr3K1ggkAp0TDm8PGO7oHBL/+DdEAXSfPtNBL1562/sCNvqcv/ kAXRAW3Bcv19iS6aJccaq/I12KlA4qZU5nNP1Eee3pzjM1Uq4mpgLfqmjsQ1kSjj UzRBI+iEmgVmXFV7VprS96YTMrDalobUgMdldD9jGvR+ESoEUe36Y2vb1uPhDtrv eRmsLBy5SSQD69eYf0C0KMwirqyDt1kGoAsv+rrfm8efWfIqHONxK5r85oUTgbni 2frLDBwwlFghQDkxd20tsLdHWBoR620= =OQT9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Early Bird ticket sale starts tomorrow!
Hi there, the Early Bird ticket sale for EuroPython 2014 will start tomorrow, 5.2.2014 at 15:00 h UTC/16:00 h CET. https://ep2014.europython.eu Regards Andreas Jung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications EuroPython 2014 - The European Python Conference in Berlin 21-27 July 2014 at bcc Berlin Congress Center Meet with the Python community: tutorials, talks, sprints and socializing ep2014.europython.eu - @europython on Twitter - facebook.com/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Pinner wrote: Well, without accusing any organisation of anything, I think the so-called community as a whole should re-evaluate how it treats people who offer their time and resources to benefit everyone else. Yes. And I have no knowledge nor experience of the EPS treating its volunteers badly, which I think was what started this thread : a slightly emotional post from Christian based not on first-hand experience, Stop guessing please if you do not know better. Christian has experiences organizing the german Zope Python conference for more than ten years and he knows the related people very well. So you claim is wrong. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7nlSAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjwHALv1a8GGs4vda6Ci3pSWAhp3pM T3do+QdAenbuyPmBg5hiCQvH+Gjz8W4FGX90eSTAuljJzlLvEra0gvWsNuMhaZAP wRff4m5kJ8BgHPMoWHUk3fjAeTra60E1IIz0H97/3gNPlTiunWKnNmZ1Wb9oC82G LKCgupTfTRZ4ko/zQQ2MG+nVScNXPzmcDsqeDvfOtPTK5It2SzItidWVO58P1v0S +0yW1mdRyrV6oNub7Sr4vvphUozq0I+WM0ukjKLzoT6lDIVclULhpG6TmJftD9tM trHzLxMBuJNUeTDNBQekAnPA9ZjeOL36PLZOJBxFvFz2E2hPuwFH7J/7zJlieK1O hTdUHd18VTZI1o1H6yIjxLvdlZGj62t2TeImSV0ggoWdqLGwHaztdLxiK1YGXyHF GG//BGRQAq89G5+6MjO3M/lFy4kC4dhsDZGaUKk1KOko7n3DyCROB0aCpGJTXx5P ky+4c0wNCYQMerwlVEcqCUgoU2JlnDI= =AkZS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Barnes wrote: On 31/01/14 22:23, Paul Boddie wrote: On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for two or three day - are more expensive. My main problem is the lack of information on the web site - https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/tickets/ has NO information on ticket pricing to date. As I am hoping to get my employer to sponsor my trip I need that information and details of the payment method and organisers ASAP as on top of the cost approval we have a complex Approved Vendor List process to try to get through. I was also hoping for at least an indication of any intent to have a partners program as my wife would not be interested in the conference proceedings. Does anybody have any idea when these details are likely to be officially available - i.e. on the web site? The ticket sale will start next Wednesday, 5.2.2014 - we announced that yesterday after we can the final approval by EPS this week. So could not announce any prices in advance. The ticket information will go online Wednesday with the start of the ticket sale - including further information about the financial assistance programm. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7Nc2AAoJEADcfz7u4AZjGsoLvjp9zjPIKOpUPcX14jssNwjU nxI+VMQV9Zo2xDdYI8mckDf5K1dG2NhT6oBDA/OoazQ+WUwsOnQF+3hgZLo3ALYx ZhKPu729H3JtPUY2ZTpEsxtIHuDu71esGjAfhGMGecpOv9mI5BqAEHHq29lLjP0R ge9J28BCf6tC99aALDyGN6mFe6pe0UvO+CSoiZ+MXqsA2YmT9n6vsPGeGWyQ9Vuc c6+x1qzQ7m/7ZIgMvQOpYH6VTeL/3CAsHzZIk1btVWmYr5g0xa6ESY0lwauZGRCy WsjSZmVmRD8VAsg2qd32jaZDaQp9S9IrKVo6UAm7valEKnOyiQebN9HYtCIowWW0 fTPRVn9yFw9/DroJvcoA6IaSuKmBGE+Jyln1DNzus/4JI4ynBUxvyqzcFVKTqI1a S/P1FQrqKb7+GB4WLYQoO8eqWzxW4P7p8ecZC9U0kjBLgYUKfNb8wz4LAGoViy4M oGIfkgtp40pP0/Bxa+O94wp8Z0Zrr7o= =D9Ri -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: Steve Barnes wrote: On 31/01/14 22:23, Paul Boddie wrote: On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for two or three day - are more expensive. My main problem is the lack of information on the web site - https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/tickets/ has NO information on ticket pricing to date. As I am hoping to get my employer to sponsor my trip I need that information and details of the payment method and organisers ASAP as on top of the cost approval we have a complex Approved Vendor List process to try to get through. I was also hoping for at least an indication of any intent to have a partners program as my wife would not be interested in the conference proceedings. Does anybody have any idea when these details are likely to be officially available - i.e. on the web site? The ticket sale will start next Wednesday, 5.2.2014 - we announced that yesterday after we can the final approval by EPS this week. So could not announce any prices in advance. The ticket information will go online Wednesday with the start of the ticket sale - including further information about the financial assistance programm. And I just put the News page online: https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/conference/news/ Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7NyGAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjRgQLvjBTlb/JZTkRCZrBviogMDge xxDPSCYq4kaOj29dYTVepjOZoTr7FJFa2Elm8FLbMeh4AzZl+cTp0aVW1gcH2cRv d+FR8rUEYOw1U72AaxH4oB6hlB486fu1UkvbVh1W6lKCwM3WlZ/WxlI+y7M5VNj8 uGyAC4QiR2V+Rhz4VQAgFEeAEoM4TpsRjwwIM5ejoL0OfaYoUqTA0RBXK3Ti6fYb 2zw5GKt8zQG9Tm/LGY7ySi+ASdEnPNp9EyJ4PHUwDtB5uH87zw0raAH6Vcf8eo2T 8U+0xczT+RytpunnWDhjasLUDzbey3TSGY8F1mSkBSK8p9fwAPU+C0BWwMT9XlsI ZNcQVoqBvuznEtPw5A3mToh/fij1OEZwUgKUdkgo324fsEx4ffsVnuVdeQ2eRBs3 Q2PFNPp3wP2o9Ir1AnYfMz2sv+1RciFIKF+F7ag4gvetiyN51D6y0nJ77NXKH8FJ t6NXXmrBdachOhhvR5vVPKaQe1AVv/o= =T+Ui -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gillies wrote: I agree completely with Michael, I haven't been able to attend since the Birmingham conferences either due to the expense involved. I think it is the common process of conferences become more expensive as soon as they become larger and more popular. You need a complete different approach to logistics when you deal with up to a thousand people or deal only with small crowd of perhaps 100 to 150 people. I am not in charge for the EP 2014 financial part but it is obvious that you can not organize a conference for the same costs per persons if you deal with 100 attendees or 1000 attendees. More people, more different aspects to be considered, higher costs...I think there is no real way out of there - expect all 1000 attendees in a huge barn and tell them to bring their own beer and burgers..well, perhaps an option :-) Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7Rx6AAoJEADcfz7u4AZjXsMLwJnn/EdjarOwuRT8I1IcMYbz WqWkTlsrarbLG2L5z+OjQJHlaoSjEFaawmuzKhWTxIle2IgN3qCPkctnY4vBp9H3 LNmnetHz0XLY6UESxkAZqLsZXLkN4cUfNtn+qrBWXoiGYX08Yze5nHtFnwarr3NS 8VeM3YFsXqaLVLfwnwVbUq0LXsH4NV7BozqP2RFsGyHhc+c0OWOQ3zDH7GiDS+vr fQV+Zn2dfYyvCP6qJe74BY/aZirIWegAtl0EX5BERooihck38FWtEa3D6w7xP4nV Lfr1qzFBaet7pkbS2jWJ5OHZO+6ECRHTwMm+xTOMVGfTdznmlebANRSroH3rSarL zBg8Xyg/v5Dd8oSotpDi1qt7hFK+W88wSUYPqeWq6jLK/QxiINRKcfyZnfuZpTvt YHxNzq9ermt1U4H2JfDfYWgBApV36/TiPP2d9HPkE3Q8TcpguK+4qrRY3eIzxzbz Xf0vJ6hIoCEmyz+LuVDKeAR4Cp9A+F0= =TpsL -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jacob Hallén wrote: In the Call for Participation that was the basis for the selection of a new site for Europython, there was a requirement for the cost of attendance. It turns out that the promised figures from the Berlin team can't be met and that cost of attendance will take a serious jump, compared to Florence. This is a serious problem for the EPS, because our explicit goal is to arrange a really affordable conference. We are now looking at conference fees that are 5 times higher than the ones for Göteborg and it is starting to hurt. Worries about getting enough participants and getting a reasonable mix of people has gotten the EPS board more involved in pricing issues than they would like to be. This is not only a concern for the conference this year, but for future conferences. A large number of the attendees have come to EuroPython for many years. If they are scared off by the price this year, they are less likely to come back in the future. With respect but this is FUD. The standard ticket price for EP 2013 were for Student/Individual/Business: 330 ? / 500 ? / 620 ? The standard EP 2014 rates are for Student/Individual/Business: 200 ? / 400 ? / 600 ? Keep in mind that all EP 2014 tickets are all-inclusive (social event, catering during the sprints etc.) Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS6/PIAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjLcELwM0a9Fe4fLkA+mULWdLfKvP9 HHHLVH99/hs/Pe4ZHAmcUF2rc6T3lyLdAC/XK3EzTl+ppEGdbXlab+oPrN6VfjHv GnUVvt7TKYfCI4cw9FkgqF1wXrqdcRVT0MXu1fecKUxKst+zQ54XaI+wY8MGhDww dC1KA5YTYZODSO3l+WFxpMblxSTeyegutSaPV7XdoxxSq5bhLhnEEj6Ev9uAxql9 Dg87vOpTWe6DU/g/0A3tsaJCduwvOVwYyHBPBPuOYts7zYrVv0QYDdNXi7Jw8Gl4 HVFd2Xb4IBPWYpeUmL1QeFj+o652aE0kIpNAIxHVi856HhyCKwBGqzpqRo/5YOcI C9K6kg6kacINgiwsNSulm2sa0JLM/AsiWMd5ZFgqnaJAi3mpRcaN+dZ00zMPuvax Bhmv3ea1FJubFfu9XQWYJug4R7yEs8zwd9IDikSaQb94v68rDqZ+61SZ2W+Mk+eQ V+P0egepnsnqRp9dnuRAFN9J7gySQmA= =yuc7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started
I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for two or three day - are more expensive. Regards Andreas Jung - Sorry for being brief - sent from a mobile device. Am 31.01.2014 um 20:04 schrieb Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jacob Hallén wrote: In the Call for Participation that was the basis for the selection of a new site for Europython, there was a requirement for the cost of attendance. It turns out that the promised figures from the Berlin team can't be met and that cost of attendance will take a serious jump, compared to Florence. This is a serious problem for the EPS, because our explicit goal is to arrange a really affordable conference. We are now looking at conference fees that are 5 times higher than the ones for Göteborg and it is starting to hurt. Worries about getting enough participants and getting a reasonable mix of people has gotten the EPS board more involved in pricing issues than they would like to be. This is not only a concern for the conference this year, but for future conferences. A large number of the attendees have come to EuroPython for many years. If they are scared off by the price this year, they are less likely to come back in the future. With respect but this is FUD. The standard ticket price for EP 2013 were for Student/Individual/Business: 330 ? / 500 ? / 620 ? The standard EP 2014 rates are for Student/Individual/Business: 200 ? / 400 ? / 600 ? Keep in mind that all EP 2014 tickets are all-inclusive (social event, catering during the sprints etc.) Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS6/PIAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjLcELwM0a9Fe4fLkA+mULWdLfKvP9 HHHLVH99/hs/Pe4ZHAmcUF2rc6T3lyLdAC/XK3EzTl+ppEGdbXlab+oPrN6VfjHv GnUVvt7TKYfCI4cw9FkgqF1wXrqdcRVT0MXu1fecKUxKst+zQ54XaI+wY8MGhDww dC1KA5YTYZODSO3l+WFxpMblxSTeyegutSaPV7XdoxxSq5bhLhnEEj6Ev9uAxql9 Dg87vOpTWe6DU/g/0A3tsaJCduwvOVwYyHBPBPuOYts7zYrVv0QYDdNXi7Jw8Gl4 HVFd2Xb4IBPWYpeUmL1QeFj+o652aE0kIpNAIxHVi856HhyCKwBGqzpqRo/5YOcI C9K6kg6kacINgiwsNSulm2sa0JLM/AsiWMd5ZFgqnaJAi3mpRcaN+dZ00zMPuvax Bhmv3ea1FJubFfu9XQWYJug4R7yEs8zwd9IDikSaQb94v68rDqZ+61SZ2W+Mk+eQ V+P0egepnsnqRp9dnuRAFN9J7gySQmA= =yuc7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- lists.vcf ___ EuroPython 2014 – Berlin, 21th–27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Boddie wrote: On Friday 31. January 2014 20.53.34 Andreas Jung wrote: I have to correct the 2013 prices: 165/315/370. Still the prices of the EP 2014 are in a range that make this conference affordable and reasonably priced. Comparable conferences - often run only for two or three day - are more expensive. It's worth dipping into the historical record for price information. Here's something I dug up: https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/FeeStructureAttendees Obviously, back then there was no distinction between individual and business rates at EuroPython. I see that PyCon this year is ~95/260/445 for the regular rates, and I think that apart from those choosing the corporate rate, the prices have remained fairly stable for the established conferences, considering things like inflation, longer conferences, more included stuff, and so on. Back in 2007, the exceptional conference was RuPy which offered incredibly cheap rates for students, and I think we were all aware that EuroPython was going to look expensive in comparison and might end up being too expensive for the regional audience, particularly students, but there was no chance that EuroPython could discount rates aggressively to compete with RuPy. And of course, no-one was really competing with anyone else, anyway. You can not directly compare RuPy 2007 with EP 2014. I was speaker at the first RuPy in Poznan and there is a certain difference in size, location, length of conference etc. - so do not let use compare apples with pears. Also keep in mind that the costs of conference visit also include costs for traveling and accommodation. Travelling to Florence appears more expensive then getting to Berlin. I payed between 250 and 300 EUR over the last years for the flights from Stuttgart to Florence. You can get to Berlin within Europe likely with half the money. So the conference fee is only one part of the overall personal price for a conference. Also every town and conference location has a different cost structure. In addition to that: there will be a financial assistance program for people needing financial support getting to EP 2014. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7JxHAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjb2wLwJlFIJJV99UuoJ77Pi0z4zCz wdFHS8Obwh/0eYyDS6FZfvI0/ANhJJ56+3osoLA0nW1/fTnoHO8Lma6eOr276P96 jCb9HV14VqEzPicgQu0Em9KdgvHG+5MAweuOpOmdg2gEWXdeIsmby60V89x1g7zn coeQ0OjwyFq+1zdD+2ltMMiS7evNF7LfIZCl5RCk0xl29H3EYmtowJDX0vSL4Ajf zot5lbCgz7Di1QJKBBRzVjLR+hVRbY3jzlEY3/vggDOCWxmOigEK72jvYPrkkhld 8c2fHx7on50+5VtxqvFae6W/1JpZ9J1WbYy6AYqgfaZuuqj/VB6ggqtOh4PhW5Wn 3uwTIObO56et+1fPJxZZwB31e6wt1b7x8zo91toHV5plrDWi/L4Y/jSeGV5c4bLt kTpKxgEUGZeBgFx+2qXJDvb5PPI7nKukTdP+imH1S0d7j2AVjCj43V33ejKv85RG 7ThLrjmzuyDaUeKLcI9J52bUV/7HK8M= =Tp+L -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pricing (was Re: Work on Call for Participation for EuroPython 2015 has started)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: You can not directly compare RuPy 2007 with EP 2014. I was speaker at the first RuPy in Poznan and there is a certain difference in size, location, length of conference etc. - so do not let use compare apples with pears. Also keep in mind that the costs of conference visit also include costs for traveling and accommodation. Travelling to Florence appears more expensive then getting to Berlin. I payed between 250 and 300 EUR over the last years for the flights from Stuttgart to Florence. You can get to Berlin within Europe likely with half the money. So the conference fee is only one part of the overall personal price for a conference. Also every town and conference location has a different cost structure. In addition to that: there will be a financial assistance program for people needing financial support getting to EP 2014. Just checked the prices of another comparable nerdish conference: Berlin Buzz Words runs for four days (EP runs for seven days including sprints): http://berlinbuzzwords.de/tickets The prices are in the same range for less days... Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJS7KdHAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjPasLv3h7TUkyxjnnfefM6aEjUgXb VqWv2nMJGIW92mD5u1ozZX+DBev+Ldt5es36zkuR9+ocvidQ5d9LHWGcCEGe4orI tac+mjTEMaVmQ2BW+xZ6IwzEuBxFuqfjIE1mD41ZtRtONNSuEP1U7EIo0jlcj6Yn ZdMFaxtJsSRCz1LrWWprtrdSGRsyFrJngE4gI59A3vzb4fMw8qJuOgCQlRzFSE1f ql9gumVe4PVeMfrr0P9hTucp3PJ6O5s6n+LAvyUP41mc8ihqmRSad+lLSyTtINbM UI0KPOj/6Oi8QEB6RYz/H+UHMHD3rW2VQawx005EDSC9t+ilbuSPrXADS9NUUJgB B81+ZeyYLT9CjVvs6bo/z4LbxSouQ5CT9XQwSa+rNSI+fEpaqWW/KwLtelOscX/Z lPxXDf3bXkOIGuYm/i+MD4OzR2dp59dYi6ooC99krftjIYV9n1Ra4oWjKH5Ksoa9 P70xWb4zjPiLaRf3z+A+A2NBsX2aVrg= =p6iI -END PGP SIGNATURE- attachment: lists.vcf___ EuroPython 2014 Berlin, 21th27th July EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
