Re: [EVDL] EVangel-About: Ford still pushing their pih, One smart new-Leaf driver
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[EVDL] big oil
Im getting sick and tired of hearing people blaming big oil for all the worlds problems. with out IT you all would still be living 5 feet from a cave . I have stocks in 2 big oil companies. Im making money just sitting on my ass. When big oil raises prices, I make more money building EVs, the very thing this s ite was set up for. No the cry babies and whiners . or the candy asses that think the worlds owes them a free ride , and free lunch .Grow pair, do for your self what you want other people to do for you -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140524/df464e9e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: A Mix of L3L2 charging protects An EV's battery pack
Charging after the Drive in Winter – Tips for Users http://phys.org/news/2014-05-quick-conventional-battery.html Mix of quick and conventional charging protects the battery [2014/05/20] Karlsruhe Institute of Technology [image http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2014/mixofquickan.jpg Business trips of Siemens and Michelin’s commuter traffic result in an average of 3000 kilometers per month driven electrically by every RheinMobil vehicle. Credit: Markus Breig, KIT ] Interference-free charging is a major prerequisite for the economically efficient use of electric vehicles. After about 120,000 km driven electrically, the RheinMobil project has proved that a combination of quick and conventional charging is ideal for the battery performance: The controlled mix ensures a high utilization rate of the vehicles and protects the battery. RheinMobil is a joint project of Michelin, Siemens, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT), the Fraunhofer Institute for Systems and Innovation Research ISI, and the mobility services company e-Motion Line (eML). The project is part of the LivingLab BWe mobil electric mobility showcase funded by the Federal Republic of Germany. RheinMobil is aimed at demonstrating that certain utilization profiles allow for an economically efficient operation of electric vehicles, with commuting and business traffic between Karlsruhe and the Alsace region being used as an example. Presently, six minibuses with seven seats each are commuting daily for Michelin, while Siemens operates a compact vehicle for business trips. Every monthly, each vehicle drives an average of about 3000 km. Since the start of the project last spring, we have found that conventional vehicles can be replaced by electric vehicles for both operation profiles. On the local level, we have already reduced CO2 emissions by eight tons, Dr. Olaf Wollersheim, one of the two RheinMobil Project Heads at KIT, says. Moreover, we realized in the winter months that weather and temperature fluctuations caused the energy consumption to increase, while the operability and availability of the vehicles were not affected, Dr. Kevin Stella, who coordinates the project together with Wollersheim, adds. In the next step, utilization rate of the vehicles by Michelin is planned to be increased with several groups of commuters using every vehicle in accordance with the shift plan. In this way, the milage will rise to several hundred kilometers per day. However, this will require quick charging that presently takes about 30 minutes, whereas conventional charging requires stop times of nine hours. The RheinMobil team wishes to show that electric vehicles are technically reliable also in case of frequent quick charging and that they are economically more efficient than comparable vehicles with a combustion engine in the long term. So far, the influence of quick charging on the battery performance has hardly been studied. Only little scientific knowledge from real operation is available. The first 100,000 km yielded an important result: Although quick charging is the prerequisite for a high utilization rate, we cannot entirely focus on this technology. The right approach is to use the controlled mix of both quick and conventional charging. In this way, a high vehicle availability can be brought in line with the sustainable use of this technology, Stella says. Commuter traffic demonstrated that in case of quick charging exclusively, no voltage balancing took place between the battery cells (passive balancing): The cells of the battery were charged and discharged to a variable extent, which would have reduced the usable capacity of the battery in the long term. The solution: In case of longer stop times of the vehicle – e.g. over the night –, RheinMobil will charge them conventionally. In this case, it is possible to cool or heat the vehicle with a battery-driven air conditioning system prior to the drive in the summer or winter. Energy consumption during the drive can be reduced, as the energy required is not taken from the battery, Kevin Stella says. This makes vehicle operation more comfortable for the users. Direct Charging after the Drive in Winter – Tips for Users The scientific studies and experience gained by the project partners, KIT, ISI, and the mobility service company eML, allow further concrete tips to be derived for drivers. Among others, electric vehicles should be charged directly after a drive in winter. If the battery temperature is too low, the charging power is reduced to protect the battery. Hence, charging would take much longer, Stella explains. The scientists analyze the specific energy consumption per trip and determine the factors influencing it. On this basis, the users can be given concrete tips with respect to their driving behavior and energy consumption is reduced. [© phys.org] For all EVLN posts use:
[EVDL] EVLN: €749 Folkvänlig ebike offered starting in 2 Austrian IKEA stores
http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/ikea-offers-electric-bike-now-select-locations.html
IKEA now offers electric bike (in select locations)
Zachary Shahan May 20, 2014
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IKEA is without a doubt one of the greenest large corporations on the
planet. It has some flaws, but it is miles (or kilometers) ahead of just
about every other large corporation that isn't specifically selling green
products. It plans to get 100% of the energy it uses in its stores and
buildings from clean energy by 2020 (and we're not talking about purchasing
credits, but actual production). It recently announced a wind farm near
Chicago that is projected to produce enough electricity that it could
theoretically power 165% of its US operations, or 18% of its global
operations. It also banned plastic bags back in 2008, long before that
became a trend, and it will grow more wood than it uses by 2020.
IKEA has also been a leader when it comes to selling clean technology. It
now offers solar panels in the UK and it started phasing out incandescent
light bulbs way back in 2010, replacing them with CFLs and LEDs. Now it's
adding an electric bike to its catalog.
Admittedly, the FOLKVÄNLIG electric bicycle IKEA is offering is only going
to be available in two Austrian stores to start, but let's hope it doesn't
take long for IKEA to bring it to more countries. With fast growth in
electric bicycle sales around the world, I'd assume that's the plan.
The cost of the FOLKVÄNLIG in the Vienna stores will be €749 (~$1,026). If
you're an IKEA Family member, then you get €100 off. Male and female
versions of the bike will be available. With a lightweight aluminum frame,
the bike will come in at just about 27 kg (60 lbs). With light pedaling, the
bike will have a range of 60 to 73 kilometers (37 to 45 miles). Sounds like
a good electric bike, and I think it looks attractive as well.
I'll be honest: because of its world-leading clean energy aims (and
installations), its installation of electric vehicle charging stations at
some locations (and presumably many more in the future), its cleantech
offerings, and its plan to grow as much wood as it uses by 2020, I'm a big
fan of IKEA. However, it does still sell a lot of non-green products,
unfortunately, and it does have one other very notable Achilles heal. As
Lloyd noted back in 2009, IKEA's stores are big box stores located out in
auto-dependent suburbs. In other words, it is quite difficult to get to an
IKEA without driving a car quite a distance. But perhaps if you buy an
electric bike at IKEA you will be inspired to also ride it out there next
time?
Want to see this electric bike at your local IKEA store? Be sure to let
IKEA know.
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The IKEA “FOLKVÄNLIG” Isn’t Furniture, It’s An Electric Bike
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http://www.ebike-news.de/ikea-verkauft-eigenes-e-bike-namens-folkvaenlig/7278/
[In German] Ikea verkauft eigenes E-Bike namens Folkvänlig
Mai 12, 2014
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Superfast Lightning LS-218 electric bike to be revealed soon
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/140523/1-killed-2-injured-azerbaijani-amusement-park-accident
1 killed, 2 injured in Azerbaijani amusement park e-car accident
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Japanese EV maker Terra Motors has raised $10M to expand in Philippines
http://www.ecns.cn/business/2014/05-17/114462.shtml
First China-made electric bus launched in Bulgaria
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Smith Electric Gets $42M China-Battery-Company Cash-Infusion
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EVent: EV Sociability Run 100th anniversary @Charles Town, WV 6/7
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[EVDL] dont buy a fiat
Yes I agree, the auto makes are going to loss money every time they make a electric car. that's just how it works, the majority public just doesn't want them There a pop fad, . Maybe in 25 years when all the gear hea ds are dead , but it will always be a money losing thing for auto companies. They could se ll more if they cut the price because there all way over priced any way and not worth 1/4 of what there selling for. I think Tesla will only have about 5 to 10 yea rs left and I own stock in the company. Nissan is subsidized for low sales by the govt, They haven't anything to bitch about -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140524/6b1ec998/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] don't buy a fiat
Blue, I don't write often but will take a moment. The only reason we do everything with petrol is because that is what our paid for government wants us to have. If back it the beginning (early 119003) the Rockefellers would have had their money in pizzaballs then we would have been powering everything today with pizzaballs so to say that oil is oil because it is oil and we need it, well I have to disagree. If the minds and industries would literally focus on THE SUN we would be able to eliminate the use of oil and stop polluting the only place we have to live, THE EARTH. As to how expensive EVs from the automakers are. It is not because they are expensive to build. You of all people know that. They are simply expensive because they want them to be. I would use the excuse of engineering time needs to be recouped but then the decision to stop building them would make no sense. It is simply because they still want to sell only ICE powered vehicles. This mindset is still their because the financial powers are backed by oil. This only works for them if the distribution structure stays in place. Once you start having a society that can fill their car from a plug in the garage you begin to take from the profitability of the delivery infrastructure that now exists. INCIDENTLY, this is also why they want the fuel cell instead of the electric. It keeps the delivery infrastructure intact. I sign my Emails, Mark Grasser -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Electric Blue auto convertions via EV Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:56 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] dont buy a fiat Yes I agree, the auto makes are going to loss money every time they make a electric car. that's just how it works, the majority public just doesn't want them There a pop fad, . Maybe in 25 years when all the gear hea ds are dead , but it will always be a money losing thing for auto companies. They could se ll more if they cut the price because there all way over priced any way and not worth 1/4 of what there selling for. I think Tesla will only have about 5 to 10 yea rs left and I own stock in the company. Nissan is subsidized for low sales by the govt, They haven't anything to bitch about -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140524/6b1ec998/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] big oil
On 24 May 2014 at 7:37, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV wrote: Im getting sick and tired of hearing people blaming big oil for all the worlds problems. Our modern society is built on and dependent on petroleum. We have sophisticated plastics. We have air travel. We have space travel. It's quite possible that none of that would have happened without petroleum. We also have cancer and other diseases related to chemicals from petroleum and pollution from petroleum. We have oil spills killing plants and animals that people depend on for survival. It's quite possible that none of THAT would have happened without petroleum. I know, if we want the benefits, we have to accept some harm. However, a rational society would say, Let's regulate this. Let's try to maintain the benefits we get from oil, but also mitigate the harm with sensible legislative control of these oil companies. Some of that actually did happen 40-50 years ago here in the US, Europe, and some parts of Asia. Then the oil companies, like others, discovered that modest investments in political systems paid big dividends in profit. Im making money just sitting on my ass. Not really. You worked for the money that you loaned them by buying stock, no? However, you should realize that your investment is working against EVs. That's your own business you're undermining! If someday those big oil companies decide to buy laws restricting or banning conversion of ICEVs to EVs, you'd join those unemployed Golf Coast fishermen in looking for other work. BP, Shell, Exxon, and all the rest don't care. We're nothing to them. Meanwhile, the stock dividends you get depend on how well your companies evade and defeat the few laws that protect your health and your job. Some folks would call that tainted money. There are good reasons that some of us want to see more legal restrictions on the damage oil companies can do to people and the world around them. All that said, the EVDL is NOT the place to debate this issue. However, when we talk about EVs, it's inevitable that sometimes we're going to talk about the immense political and economic power that oil companies have long used to keep EVs down. So, you're sick and tired of it. I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you should set up an email filter so you don't see those posts. As my mom used to say to my dad when he said he was sick and tired of something, Then you'd better see a doctor and get some sleep. ;-) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] big oil
Please, I beg your indulgence for a short editorial concerning EV and PIH versus Big Oil. I feel the conflict is Hyperbole. And Fear Mongering the actual facts are not so bad for Big Oil as much as changing with the times concerning only fuel retailing which is not a very profitable segment of the Petroleum market. EV and Hybrids (PIH) do not effect the petroleum and Electrical grid in the USA very much. The effect on the electrical grid is minimized; each electric car uses power from the grid, or alternative sources, in the same magnitude as refining gasoline consumes electricity to provide fuel for conventional vehicles. Natural gas and coal usage for electrical production will remain as in the past, the changes to their proportions is going to change from Ecology concerns, irrespective of the EV and PIH usage. Petroleum from wells located in the USA will continue to provide fuel for heavy trucks, other diesels, the great plastic, chemical, and paint industries, only the importing of offshore imported petroleum will slacken. *Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 24 May 2014 at 7:37, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV wrote: Im getting sick and tired of hearing people blaming big oil for all the worlds problems. Our modern society is built on and dependent on petroleum. We have sophisticated plastics. We have air travel. We have space travel. It's quite possible that none of that would have happened without petroleum. We also have cancer and other diseases related to chemicals from petroleum and pollution from petroleum. We have oil spills killing plants and animals that people depend on for survival. It's quite possible that none of THAT would have happened without petroleum. I know, if we want the benefits, we have to accept some harm. However, a rational society would say, Let's regulate this. Let's try to maintain the benefits we get from oil, but also mitigate the harm with sensible legislative control of these oil companies. Some of that actually did happen 40-50 years ago here in the US, Europe, and some parts of Asia. Then the oil companies, like others, discovered that modest investments in political systems paid big dividends in profit. Im making money just sitting on my ass. Not really. You worked for the money that you loaned them by buying stock, no? However, you should realize that your investment is working against EVs. That's your own business you're undermining! If someday those big oil companies decide to buy laws restricting or banning conversion of ICEVs to EVs, you'd join those unemployed Golf Coast fishermen in looking for other work. BP, Shell, Exxon, and all the rest don't care. We're nothing to them. Meanwhile, the stock dividends you get depend on how well your companies evade and defeat the few laws that protect your health and your job. Some folks would call that tainted money. There are good reasons that some of us want to see more legal restrictions on the damage oil companies can do to people and the world around them. All that said, the EVDL is NOT the place to debate this issue. However, when we talk about EVs, it's inevitable that sometimes we're going to talk about the immense political and economic power that oil companies have long used to keep EVs down. So, you're sick and tired of it. I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you should set up an email filter so you don't see those posts. As my mom used to say to my dad when he said he was sick and tired of something, Then you'd better see a doctor and get some sleep. ;-) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140524/8313dbe9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] big oil
On May 24, 2014, at 11:09 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As my mom used to say to my dad when he said he was sick and tired of something, Then you'd better see a doctor and get some sleep. ;-) Brilliant! My favorite of the month. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Electric Sailboat Lithium Pack Install
Hey all, My dad is going to get his electric motor and battery pack installed in his boat next week. It is a 48v 200ah Lithium battery pack from www.elitepowersolutions.com and will be installed by Marco Gaxiola of www.energyev.com (a brand new Mexican EV supply company). Marco has a conversion of a Nissan March (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEuOv8ZcU8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjweh7pAEZQ ). The electric motor is from www.electricyachtsofannapolis.com/ and is their 20kw motor setup. The install is being done at Rock Hall Harbor at the www.sailingemporium.com from Tues May 27th to Sunday June 1st. So if you want to see and help, they would love to have you there. Just show up and ask where the electric boat is. Rush www.TucsonEV.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Solar roadways.
This is a very good idea in my opinion. Lawrence Rhodes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140524/c262736d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar roadways.
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: This is a very good idea in my opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI It's an interesting idea. But cost is going to be a *major* problem. I wonder why they just don't put the PV panels in the noise walls, barriers, and other vertical constructions alongside the highways. They don't have to carry road traffic, and are much easier to erect and repair without closing traffic. -- A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Their CEO sez Don't buy the Fiat 500e EV
I think you're missing my point. I understand it's not free. But if you were to apply Fiat's accounting to other situations, nobody should ever launch a new product or start a company because it's guaranteed to sell at a loss for the first few months/years after it hits production, regardless of how good the margins are otherwise. Now, you may say Fiat will never sell enough 500e's to recoup their investment, which may very well be true, but grousing by the CEO about how he hopes people won't buy the car isn't going to help. Said another way: once you've already sunk the RD cost, you don't factor that past expense it into whether or not it's profitable to continue making and selling the product you've already designed/tooled/etc. -Ben On May 24, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: So where does the money for NRE and RD come from? On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On May 23, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: No, there is no economy of scale with the low numbers they are building. That is a fact. Not on the electric drivetrain, no. But on the wheels, body panels, dash board, seats, and everything else it has in common with the regular Fiat 500, you bet there is! I developed cam and crank sensors for a while. The tooling for a cam sensor with 10 small components in it (I am even counting tiny neo magnets and some discreet electronic components and an IC) will easily exceed $300K - 10 years ago. I am fairly sure the cost is higher for an OEM (I was doing cost conscious aftermarket). Or if that doesn't help - what would it take for you to build an entire car that meets all the homologation, safety, blah, blah, blah? It is incredible how much capital expense there is to bring out a car. You have to make a lot of cars to break even - whole lot, and you have to be pretty good at it or you will fold. RD and NRE are not the same as production cost. When budgeting for new product development, you do want to amortize it over expected sales, but to come out grouse that you lose money on each car you sell because you previously spent a lot on NRE is disingenuous. By that measure, Tesla is still losing money on every car it sells because they spent so much investor money on development, so they should just close up shop because there's no money to be made. By the same measure, Apple lost gobs of money on the first 1000 iPads they sold -- they should have come out and whined and asked people to stop buying them because they were losing 1000's of dollars on every one. I get that EV's are still a niche market and it's hard to recoup development costs. Hence why I'm wondering if the compliance car mandate is obsolete -- let the companies like Nissan and Tesla who want to invest have an easier time recouping THEIR investments with less competition from unwilling and whiny rich people. -Ben ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? Dalai Lama Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. Warren Buffet Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Their CEO sez Don't buy the Fiat 500e EV
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[EVDL] Top 10 fastest EVs in the world
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/top-10-fastest-electric-cars-in-the-world.html/?a=viewall Very nice to see John Wayland and his White Zombie top the list at #1 in this Wall Street Cheat Sheet article. Eva and I built the battery for the Drayson Racing vehicle (#6). Also nice to see Michael Bream get some recognition for his Pike's Peak racer (#8). We helped them a bit in the pits at Pike's Peak. Uber nice BMW M3 conversion. Bill Dube' ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
