Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
John, Please note that you are commenting on UPS (the brown delivery trucks) while the discussion was on USPS (the white box vans with blue eagle) which is a company delivering only in USA as far as I know, since it stands for US Postal Service, not the United Parcel Service that you referred to. Just trying to avoid confusion... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Hoegberg via EV Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:46 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric? To: ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:06:48 + Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric? From: ev@lists.evdl.org Actually, the Nissan e-NV200 could be an option. Here, in Seattle, the USPS mostly uses minivans for delivery. (They have their stepvans for package delivery making separate routes.) I don't know if it has enough range for a full day or not. But, with a 20 minute quick charge during lunch, I'm sure it would. Range would be a big problem here, (I assume the driver has a routes of about 400km a day, and no charge time would be possible) but maybe as an inner city delivery company only then it would probably work. What would it take to get USPS to start replacing their 12mpg(*) -A miracle ? :-) UPS is one of the most stupid delivery company on earth, drivers are not alowed to have a phone so they can ask for directions.. AND not allowed to have GPS!!??! Well..Good luck with that in Sweden, our country is not made of square blocks. :-P it is common that they drive the daily 350 km with an insane bad aero truck just to find out that they cant find the way to the customer, the last 2km or so.. They sometimes print out the Googlemaps-route instead, for the poor stressed out driver to use,, I got packages with 5 different zoom levels taped to the boxes.. wow. The thing also have one of the lowest ratings I have ever seen on any company minivans with EVs? What would USPS driver acceptance be for a vehicle that is already well accepted by others? The driver is not the problem, they are in general good.. But it is an US-based company, and ruled by some very stubborn top dogs dictators without common sense. and without Ears? :-) I dont know if google translate will do a good job on the reviews, but it should be a good laugh to read and a hint about how to NOT run a delivery company! http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/f/ups-united-parcel-service-sweden-ab:3513033 http://translate.google.se/#sv/en/ / John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Give me some pack-capacity, and make it a doubleDyson, Sakti3 (v)
'allow electric cars to drive up to 600 miles on a single charge' http://www.komando.com/happening-now/300353/give-me-some-battery-life-and-make-it-a-double Give me some battery life, and make it a double March 16, 2015 Improving battery longevity is the Holy Grail for most major tech companies, from electric car manufacturer Tesla to smartphone producers like Apple and Google. But, the next leap forward in battery technology could come from a company you wouldn't expect: Dyson. That's right, the vacuum company has made a major investment in new technology that could potentially revolutionize mobile battery life. Dyson has invested $15 million in Sakti3, a company that has created solid-state battery technology that could dramatically increase the life of rechargeable batteries. The technology allows batteries to store twice as much energy as conventional rechargeable liquid lithium batteries. “Sakti3 has achieved leaps in performance, which current battery technology simply can’t,” said company founder James Dyson. “It’s these fundamental technologies – batteries, motors – that allow machines to work properly.” Following Dyson's big investment, the batteries will likely make their debut in its cordless vacuums. The technology could also double battery life in smartphones and tablets, and allow electric cars to drive up to 600 miles on a single charge. These new batteries would even be cheaper to make and more environmentally friendly than the liquid lithium rechargeable batteries we're using right now. Unlike most conventional lithium ion batteries, Sakti3's technology doesn't use a mix of liquid chemicals to store energy. Instead, this new technology allows batteries to store twice as much energy by using solid lithium electrodes. The eight-year-old company claims its solid-state batteries can store over 1,000 watt hours per litre, which is almost double the best traditional lithium-ion batteries available today with an energy density of up to 620 watts per hour per litre. That increased energy density could effectively double the battery life of mobile electronics, extend the range of electric vehicles and lead to thinner and lighter technology. Using this technology has other benefits, too. For instance, it makes batteries safer because solid state batteries don't pose the same explosion risk as liquid batteries. [© komando.com] ... http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/16/dyson-invests-15m-in-michigan-battery-tech-firm-sakti3/ Dyson Invests $15M In Michigan Battery Tech Firm Sakti3 [2015/03/16] by Darrell Etherington [videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sovRU7-bya8 Sakti3 presentation at TEDxDetroit Sakti3 Inc Oct 1, 2014 Sakti3 CEO Dr Ann Marie Sastry gave a live-audience recorded talk at TEDxDetroit on 9/30/2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAhdJRkQ0s SaktiBatteryAdvantage SaktiInc Jul 29, 2013 Introduction about how battery works and what Sakti3 (Sakti) battery's advantage is ] ... http://www.gadgethelpline.com/dyson-investing-15million-usd-in-battery-firm-sakti3/ Dyson Investing $15Million USD In Battery Firm Sakti3 by: Sam Waldron 16 March, 2015 [image http://www.gadgethelpline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Sakti3_1.jpg (drawing anodes cathodes) ] ... http://www.technologyreview.com/news/535811/a-breakthrough-battery-gets-a-big-backer/ A Breakthrough Battery Gets a Big Backer By Kevin Bullis on March 15, 2015 [image / Sakti3 http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/sakti.batteriesx519.jpg Ultrathin battery prototypes undergo testing at the labs of startup Sakti3 ] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/16/dyson-invests-15m-in-technology-that-may-double-smartphone-battery-life Dyson invests $15m in technology that may double ... battery life Samuel Gibbs 16 March 2015 ... http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/16/dyson-battery-sakti3/ Dyson's new battery tech promises longer-lasting electronics by Steve Dent | [2015/03/16] ... http://www.wired.com/2015/03/james-dyson-companys-high-powered-portable-future/ James Dyson on His Company’s High-Powered, Portable Future 03.15.15 ... With $2.3 billion invested ... Dyson isn’t intent on building more vacuums. He wants to build a ... technology company, one that reaches into our houses in ways you can only guess ... ... http://gizmodo.com/new-li-on-battery-lasts-twice-as-long-and-backed-by-dy-1691640005 New Li-On Battery Lasts Twice as Long—and, Backed By Dyson, Could Sell Jamie Condliffe [20150316] ... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/solid-state-batteries-double-capacity,28751.html Sakti3's Solid State Batteries Promise Double Capacity, Better Safety, Lower Costs By Lucian Armasu March 16, 201 ... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+make+it+a+double+mean make it a double ... [dated] http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/secretive-company-claims-battery-breakthrough/ Secretive Company Claims Battery Breakthrough August 20, 2014 | By Seth Fletcher [image / Sakti3
[EVDL] EVLN: Chicago-style deep-discharge Uber EVs topped with loads of BYD
% Uber testing 25 BYD e6 EVs in Chicago IL r:186mi % http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/03/13/uber-byd-idINKBN0M92LJ20150313 Exclusive - Uber in deal with China's BYD to test electric cars By Nichola Groom Mar 14, 2015 (Reuters) - [uber.com] said on Friday it struck a deal with Chinese automaker BYD Co Ltd to test a fleet of electric cars for its drivers. The test programme, which kicked off a few weeks ago in Chicago and could eventually expand to other cities, is the Silicon Valley startup's first attempt to focus on an electric vehicle, said Uber spokeswoman Lauren Altmin.We've seen interest in the programme already from current and potential Chicago partners (drivers), Altmin said. Uber, which allows users to summon rides on their smartphones, originally started with a luxury town-car service but in many cities has added UberX, a low frills service with nonprofessional drivers using personal cars. The BYD offering is aimed at those drivers. The electric car is part of Uber's programme to help drivers buy or lease new or used cars. The BYD e6 vehicles are available through Green Wheels USA, a Chicago car dealership that focuses on electric and hybrid cars and also builds EV charging stations. About 25 BYD vehicles are currently being used by Uber drivers in Chicago, and the hope is to bring that number to a couple of hundred by the end of the year, according to Doug Snower, Green Wheels' president. Uber began talking to BYD and Green Wheels late last year, Altmin said. For BYD the deal with Uber could be a step toward the long-held goal of selling its cars to U.S. consumers. The company, whose name stands for build your dream, is a major automaker in China, but its e6 vehicle has thus far only been used in pilot programs in the United States. Nissan Motor Co Ltd and Tesla Motors Inc are better known in the United States for their electric cars, the Leaf and the Model S. Uber would not comment on why it had picked a company with a relatively unknown brand. The e6 is larger than many other electric cars, however, and is being used in London by chauffer service Thriev. BYD gained Warren Buffett's backing in 2009 and announced plans to sell its e6 electric car in the United States the following year. Since then, BYD's U.S. business has focussed mainly on electric buses for public transportation. BYD publicized the programme on its Facebook page but declined to comment on the deal with Uber. The Facebook post, which has a picture of the vehicle, says the e6 has a 186 mile range on a single charge. It also says financing is available from BYD-approved lenders. Green Wheels is offering several options to drivers interested in the e6. The most popular programme, Snower said, allows an Uber driver to pay $200 a week to use an e6 for his or her driving shift. The vehicle is then returned to a Green Wheels lot, where it is charged until it is used again. Drivers can also enter into a more traditional lease or a lease-to-own programme, Snower said. [© reuters.com] ... http://www.greenwheelschicago.com/ Green Wheels Automotive Chicago, IL http://www.yelp.com/biz/green-wheels-automotive-chicago ... https://www.google.com/#q=chicago+deep+pizza+topped+with+loads+of Chicago style deep-dish topped with loads of ... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-uber-in-deal-with-chinas-byd-to-test-electric-cars-2015-3 Uber struck a deal with a Chinese automaker to test a fleet of electric cars Nichola Groom, Reuters Mar. 13, 2015 [image http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/542b363469bedd893902ebd0-1200-858/rtr3i711.jpg A visitor looks at BYD E6 electric car on display at the New Energy Auto Expo in Nanjing ] ... [© 2015 Business Insider] ... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Uber-testing-electric-cars-in-China/articleshow/46562197.cms Uber testing electric cars in China Reuters | Mar 14, 2015 ... http://www.tweaktown.com/news/44061/uber-trialling-fleet-25-electric-vehicles-chicago/index.html Uber is trialling a fleet of 25 electric vehicles in Chicago March 15, 2015 Uber has teamed up with Chinese automaker BYD, or Build Your Dream to outfit a fleet of its Chicago drivers with electronic vehicles in the form of the BYD e6 ... ... http://clapway.com/2015/03/15/the-road-ahead-uber-tests-electric-cars123/ The Road Ahead: Uber Tests Electric Cars March 15, 2015 Uber drivers in Chicago are now using electric cars. There is a fleet of 25 of BYD e6 EV currently in operation on the street. Uber has developed a connection with “Build Your Dream,” www.byd.com a rechargeable battery supplier based in China and the cars are being distributed straight to Green Wheels, an auto-dealership in Chicago. The move is popular but requires slow moving pieces to gain traction globally. These electric cars serve as a testament to Uber’s cutting edge business model of efficiency that allow the user to request a cab from their phone and not struggle through their wallets for fare or tip. The move
[EVDL] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/03/greener-delivery/ Greener delivery? March 16, 2015 | By Alvin Powell [image / Jon Chase/Harvard Staff Photographer http://media.news.harvard.edu/gazette/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/031315_mail_truck_022_605.jpg (old usps ice) With the U.S. Postal Service poised to replace its mail trucks, which get 9 mpg, with more fuel-efficient models, the options can get complicated. For the biggest impact, improving the efficiency of truck engines, particularly small trucks, is the answer, contends Henry Lee, an authority on electric cars and the Jassim M. Jaidah Family Director of the Environment and Natural Resources Program at the Belfer Center ] Wider opportunities seen as Postal Service looks to improve on 9 miles per gallon The boxy mail truck familiar on American roads for more than two decades soon may be a thing of the past. The Postal Service is beginning the process of replacing some 180,000 of the trucks, a significant portion of its total fleet. The request for proposals sent to automakers in January carried several design considerations, including enhanced fuel efficiency, lower emissions, and enough space to allow workers to stand up in the back as they grab letters and boxes for delivery. The Gazette asked Henry Lee, an authority on electric cars and the Jassim M. Jaidah Family Director of the Environment and Natural Resources Program at the Belfer Center, about the opportunity for the Postal Service to improve its environmental footprint — and perhaps spark broader automotive changes — through a more fuel-efficient replacement for the current model, which gets roughly 9 miles per gallon. GAZETTE: How important should fuel efficiency be to the Postal Service’s consideration of a new vehicle? LEE: That’s a tough question to answer. From the perspective of someone concerned about the environment, they should be quite concerned. But if I was [head] of the Postal Service, I might say, “If society cares about this issue, they’ll put a price on carbon and that will change my thinking about what I’m going to buy. But if they won’t do it, why should the people who buy mail services and a company that’s multiple billions of dollars in the red pay more for something that government hasn’t told us it cares about?” GAZETTE: Would that higher initial cost be offset by lower operating cost? You take something that gets nine miles a gallon and get something that gets 25? LEE: I haven’t done the numbers, but you have to ask how many miles postal workers travel in a day. Not many, though they travel a long time and they keep the engine idling. They probably travel more in a day than they would be able to if this was an electric car. They’d probably run out of electricity. I haven’t done the analysis, but what if you went to natural gas? Or hydrogen? Certainly natural gas would be an option. GAZETTE: Not electricity, though, because of the number of hours they’re on the road? LEE: Well, you have to have a lot of batteries to move something that heavy. So if you need 30 to 34 batteries — lithium batteries — the cost of the vehicle would be $20,000 more, times 180,000, which is a pretty big number. The good news for electric vehicles is that they would all go back to the same garage in the evening, and you could put charging facilities in the garage quite easily. So charging won’t be a problem, which it might be if you or I bought the car. But you’d have to figure that it needs more batteries than a normal car. You really don’t want the vehicle to have to come back at noon to be recharged. So you’re going to need more batteries in each vehicle so you have longer range. A Tesla has a phenomenal number of batteries. But it can go for 240 miles. GAZETTE: Do you have a sense of what an ideal mail vehicle would look like? LEE: No. It’s an interesting problem. If I had two weeks free, I bet I could come up with some ideas. I can tell you what won’t work, but I can’t tell you what the answer is. I can certainly beat 9 miles per gallon, though. The question is: Do I want to beat it by a factor of two or a factor of three? GAZETTE: If the media coverage is correct and the Postal Service is going to replace 180,000 vehicles, is that big enough to make an impact on the tailpipe pollution that the country emits? LEE: Yes and no. The no is because you have these vehicles dispersed across the entire country, so that’s not going to make a big dent [in local air quality]. Where it can make a dent is if you are now manufacturing engines that are a lot more efficient for midsize and small-size trucks — small trucks and SUVs are what Americans buy these days. And if you can improve the efficiency of truck engines, particularly small trucks, that would have a major impact. If I build an engine that is more efficient and I have to buy equipment and parts, somebody has to manufacture all those parts. They would probably like to sell some parts to customers beyond the U.S.
[EVDL] Used Citicar in Alabama
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Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
Lee wrote - I wonder what would happen if Tesla took a page from Apple, and offered free trial EVs to the Post Office? Like Apple offering free computers to schools, free got them hooked. Then they went on to spend billions of dollars to buy more. Apple got all their money back, and a lot more! ;-) Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: Lee wrote - I wonder what would happen if Tesla took a page from Apple, and offered free trial EVs to the Post Office? Like Apple offering free computers to schools, free got them hooked. Then they went on to spend billions of dollars to buy more. Apple got all their money back, and a lot more!;-) Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Actually, the Nissan e-NV200 could be an option. Here, in Seattle, the USPS mostly uses minivans for delivery. (They have their stepvans for package delivery making separate routes.) I don't know if it has enough range for a full day or not. But, with a 20 minute quick charge during lunch, I'm sure it would. What would it take to get USPS to start replacing their 12mpg(*) minivans with EVs? What would USPS driver acceptance be for a vehicle that is already well accepted by others? (*) My ICE minivan purportedly gets 25mph. But in the city, with stop and go, it's about 12mpg. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 19-Mar-15 2:04:00 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric? Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: Lee wrote - I wonder what would happen if Tesla took a page from Apple, and offered free trial EVs to the Post Office? Like Apple offering free computers to schools, free got them hooked. Then they went on to spend billions of dollars to buy more. Apple got all their money back, and a lot more!;-) Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Interesting story. I'm surprised that the story didn't mention hybrids. That seems like it would be ideal for postal delivery trucks. The energy from the frequent stops would be recaptured and could be used for acceleration. That is well developed technology for SUVs. Mike On March 19, 2015 2:17:13 AM MDT, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/03/greener-delivery/ Greener delivery? March 16, 2015 | By Alvin Powell [image / Jon Chase/Harvard Staff Photographer http://media.news.harvard.edu/gazette/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/031315_mail_truck_022_605.jpg (old usps ice) With the U.S. Postal Service poised to replace its mail trucks, which get 9 mpg, with more fuel-efficient models, the options can get complicated. For the biggest impact, improving the efficiency of truck engines, particularly small trucks, is the answer, contends Henry Lee, an authority on electric cars and the Jassim M. Jaidah Family Director of the Environment and Natural Resources Program at the Belfer Center ] Wider opportunities seen as Postal Service looks to improve on 9 miles per gallon The boxy mail truck familiar on American roads for more than two decades soon may be a thing of the past. The Postal Service is beginning the process of replacing some 180,000 of the trucks, a significant portion of its total fleet. The request for proposals sent to automakers in January carried several design considerations, including enhanced fuel efficiency, lower emissions, and enough space to allow workers to stand up in the back as they grab letters and boxes for delivery. The Gazette asked Henry Lee, an authority on electric cars and the Jassim M. Jaidah Family Director of the Environment and Natural Resources Program at the Belfer Center, about the opportunity for the Postal Service to improve its environmental footprint — and perhaps spark broader automotive changes — through a more fuel-efficient replacement for the current model, which gets roughly 9 miles per gallon. GAZETTE: How important should fuel efficiency be to the Postal Service’s consideration of a new vehicle? LEE: That’s a tough question to answer. From the perspective of someone concerned about the environment, they should be quite concerned. But if I was [head] of the Postal Service, I might say, “If society cares about this issue, they’ll put a price on carbon and that will change my thinking about what I’m going to buy. But if they won’t do it, why should the people who buy mail services and a company that’s multiple billions of dollars in the red pay more for something that government hasn’t told us it cares about?” GAZETTE: Would that higher initial cost be offset by lower operating cost? You take something that gets nine miles a gallon and get something that gets 25? LEE: I haven’t done the numbers, but you have to ask how many miles postal workers travel in a day. Not many, though they travel a long time and they keep the engine idling. They probably travel more in a day than they would be able to if this was an electric car. They’d probably run out of electricity. I haven’t done the analysis, but what if you went to natural gas? Or hydrogen? Certainly natural gas would be an option. GAZETTE: Not electricity, though, because of the number of hours they’re on the road? LEE: Well, you have to have a lot of batteries to move something that heavy. So if you need 30 to 34 batteries — lithium batteries — the cost of the vehicle would be $20,000 more, times 180,000, which is a pretty big number. The good news for electric vehicles is that they would all go back to the same garage in the evening, and you could put charging facilities in the garage quite easily. So charging won’t be a problem, which it might be if you or I bought the car. But you’d have to figure that it needs more batteries than a normal car. You really don’t want the vehicle to have to come back at noon to be recharged. So you’re going to need more batteries in each vehicle so you have longer range. A Tesla has a phenomenal number of batteries. But it can go for 240 miles. GAZETTE: Do you have a sense of what an ideal mail vehicle would look like? LEE: No. It’s an interesting problem. If I had two weeks free, I bet I could come up with some ideas. I can tell you what won’t work, but I can’t tell you what the answer is. I can certainly beat 9 miles per gallon, though. The question is: Do I want to beat it by a factor of two or a factor of three? GAZETTE: If the media coverage is correct and the Postal Service is going to replace 180,000 vehicles, is that big enough to make an impact on the tailpipe pollution that the country emits? LEE: Yes and no. The no is because you have these vehicles dispersed across the entire country, so that’s not going to make a big dent [in local air quality]. Where it can make a dent is if you are now manufacturing engines that are a lot more efficient for midsize and small-size trucks — small trucks and
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So, not many [miles], but more in a day than they would be able to if this was an electric car. I also got the distinct impression that he thinks that idling an electric vehicle eats into available range. His stuff about the number of batteries was at least as bizarre, if not more so. Seems to me that there's a great potential for a publicity stunt. Find somebody who owns a Leaf to follow a mail truck for a day on a particularly long route. Fill the car up with sandbags equal to the weight of the mail. I'll bet a cup of coffee / mug of beer / other suitable beverage that the Leaf does just fine, even including the commute to and from the Post Office. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150319/e3794020/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
On 19 Mar 2015 at 10:26, Ben Goren via EV wrote: I also got the distinct impression that he thinks that idling an electric vehicle eats into available range. To be fair, it does - if, as is likely, the driver uses aircon in the summer or heat in the winter. I don't think that the postal vehicles in my area have aircon, but my mail carrier keeps the window open (for deliveries) and blasts the heater all winter long. That would be rough on an EV's range. A fuel-fired heater would be a practical answer for winter. Aircon might be a tougher problem. Over the years, the USPS has carried out several EV trials with small fleets in limited areas. I don't think they considered any of them successful. However, I'm pretty sure that all of them used lead batteries. I wonder if one of those programs might be where this guy got his odd 30 to 34 batteries idea. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: A fuel-fired heater would be a practical answer for winter. Aircon might be a tougher problem. Over the years, the USPS has carried out several EV trials with small fleets in limited areas. I don't think they considered any of them successful. However, I'm pretty sure that all of them used lead batteries. I wonder if one of those programs might be where this guy got his odd 30 to 34 batteries idea. My father was a mail carrier. The Post Office lives in its own odd little world. They aren't looking for NEW solutions to their problems; they want ways to keep using their OLD solutions. Yes, there have been many postal EV trials. They were always imposed from the *outside*. The Post Office fought against them. The union in particular (NALC) was vehemently opposed to change. Workers went so far as to sabotage the EV trials, to make *sure* they failed. I had one of these postal EVs myself (a 1980 Commuter Vehicles ComutaVan). My father drove it, and said it works fine, but I'd never use it. Too different. We like what we got. It seemed to me that the whole system was set up to invite failure. First, the trials were forced from outside (by Congress). The post office didn't want the vehicles, so they wrote idiosyncratic requirement that discouraged companies from bidding. They are terrible judges of technology, and picked the companies to make the vehicles based on lobbying, who is in which congressman's district, who are we already buying vehicles from, etc. The companies often saw it as a pork-barrel project (a way to get government money for doing a bad job). The Union shop class types that service their ICE vehicles were gear heads that hated the whole idea of EVs. I wonder what would happen if Tesla took a page from Apple, and offered free trial EVs to the Post Office? Like Apple offering free computers to schools, free got them hooked. Then they went on to spend billions of dollars to buy more. Apple got all their money back, and a lot more! ;-) -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
To: ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:06:48 + Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric? From: ev@lists.evdl.org Actually, the Nissan e-NV200 could be an option. Here, in Seattle, the USPS mostly uses minivans for delivery. (They have their stepvans for package delivery making separate routes.) I don't know if it has enough range for a full day or not. But, with a 20 minute quick charge during lunch, I'm sure it would. Range would be a big problem here, (I assume the driver has a routes of about 400km a day, and no charge time would be possible) but maybe as an inner city delivery company only then it would probably work. What would it take to get USPS to start replacing their 12mpg(*) -A miracle ? :-) UPS is one of the most stupid delivery company on earth, drivers are not alowed to have a phone so they can ask for directions.. AND not allowed to have GPS!!??! Well..Good luck with that in Sweden, our country is not made of square blocks. :-P it is common that they drive the daily 350 km with an insane bad aero truck just to find out that they cant find the way to the customer, the last 2km or so.. They sometimes print out the Googlemaps-route instead, for the poor stressed out driver to use,, I got packages with 5 different zoom levels taped to the boxes.. wow. The thing also have one of the lowest ratings I have ever seen on any company minivans with EVs? What would USPS driver acceptance be for a vehicle that is already well accepted by others? The driver is not the problem, they are in general good.. But it is an US-based company, and ruled by some very stubborn top dogs dictators without common sense. and without Ears? :-) I dont know if google translate will do a good job on the reviews, but it should be a good laugh to read and a hint about how to NOT run a delivery company! http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/f/ups-united-parcel-service-sweden-ab:3513033 http://translate.google.se/#sv/en/ / John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
