Re: [EVDL] All SoCal ratepayers (plugin driver or not) must pay for 30k public EVSE

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

I think you have this wrong.

SCE was under intense criticism for not ponying up matching funds for a number 
of EV projects. Their excuse was that PUC would not allow them to get involved 
in funding charging stations, which was true. 

This pilot project will finally allow them to participate in funding charging 
infrastructure.


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> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> % It's the same sham,scam that PG tried& failed, SCE must have more
> political PUC pull. IMO let the Utility pay for their own EVSE installations
> same as everyone else. Send your views to the CPUC (see below) no matter
> where you are in CA. If SCE can do this, then PGE is next. This is going to
> tick off the non-plugin drivers: like adding an unfair tax to their utility
> bill %
> 
> http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/5fa2df8cdb5c4cafab3f93287397fd68/CA--Car-Charging-Stations
> Southern California Edison will install 1,500 new charging stations for
> electric vehicles under a pilot program that has received the go-ahead from
> state regulators
> January 20, 2016  AP
> 
> LOS ANGELES — Southern California Edison will install 1,500 new charging
> stations for electric vehicles under a pilot program that has received the
> go-ahead from state regulators.
> 
> If the program is a success, the utility hopes to expand it to as many as
> 30,000 charging stations throughout its 50,000-square-mile service area.
> 
> SoCal Edison says the chargers would work for both electric-only vehicles
> and plug-in electric vehicles or PEVs, which also have gasoline-powered
> engines. Both must be plugged in to be recharged.
> 
> The program will be funded by ratepayers through an increase in their
> monthly electric bills. A spokesman says the rise will be so small most
> people won't even notice it.
> 
> The San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports Wednesday (http://bit.ly/1JYa86q )
> that electric cars account for about 150,000 of the state's 13 million
> registered automobiles.
> [© dailyjournal.net]
> ...
> [dated]
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Utility-PG-E-wants-customers-to-pay-for-them-to-profit-from-EVSE-tp4673980.html
> EVLN: Utility PG wants customers to pay for them to profit from EVSE
> Feb 26, 2015
> ...
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-PG-E-wants-CA-residential-customers-to-pay-653M-for-public-EVSE-tp4673785.html
> EVLN: PG wants CA residential-customers to pay $653M for public EVSE
> Feb 11, 2015
> 
> 
> 
> http://tdworld.com/overhead-distribution/sce-receives-cpuc-approval-charge-ready-pilot-program
> SCE Receives CPUC Approval for ‘Charge Ready’ Pilot Program
> Jan 19, 2016 ... The California Public Utilities Commission’s approval
> clears the way for SCE to begin implementing its $22 million “Charge Ready”
> program to get more electric vehicle charging stations installed in
> locations where people park their cars for extended periods of time. For
> example, at workplaces, campuses, recreational areas and apartment and
> condominium complexes ... SCE also received approval to offer new advisory
> services to help its business customers learn about transportation
> electrification technologies ... the program will help move California
> closer to its objective of putting 1.5 million zero-emission vehicles on the
> road by 2025, which will in turn support the state’s goal to reduce
> greenhouse gases and meet deadlines for federal clean air standards. SCE
> expects to begin accepting applications from prospective participants in
> March ...
> ...
> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160114006476/en/SCE-Receives-CPUC-Approval-%E2%80%98Charge-Ready%E2%80%99-Pilot
> 
> SCE Receives CPUC Approval for ‘Charge Ready’ Pilot Program; Will Install As
> Many As 1,500 Electric Vehicle Charging Stations in Southland
> January 14, 2016  Program aims to help accelerate market for electric
> vehicle charging, supports state policies ... Media Contact: Southern
> California Edison Paul Griffo, (626) 302-2255  [© 2016 Business Wire]
> ...
> https://twitter.com/sce_paulg
> ...
> http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/contactus/
> Contact Us - the California Public Utilities Commission
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[EVDL] EVLN: Leaf Ski-Resort.ca Trip, quick heater warm-up, B mode downhill (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-ski-resort-trip-documented-video/
Nissan LEAF Ski Resort Trip Documented On Video
[20160117]  Mark Kane 

[video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNpgOnZ39g
Nissan Leaf - Winter Driving to Whitewater Ski Resort
Kootenay EV Family Jan 3, 2016
A video about winter driving in the all-electric Nissan Leaf (2014 SL
model); filmed while driving to and from our local ski resort, Whitewater.
Click "Show More" to see topics of interest and direct links to that topic
in the video.

Additional information on our blog, 
http://kootenayevfamily.ca/winter-driving-in-the-leaf-up-to-whitewater/

Timestamps are below for the following topics (click on the timestamp to
jump to that point in the video):
0:16 - Preheating the car
1:05 - Accelerating in town
1:32 - Power to get up hills?
2:19 - Energy consumed to get to/from Apex XC Ski Area
3:30 - Stats for the climb ahead
3:55 - Traction on mountain roads
5:32 - Torque and slippery roads
6:45 - Can the car stay warm in cold weather?
8:15 - Summary of energy used to climb up
9:08 - How do we carry skis? Snowboards?
9:47 - How fast can the car heat up? Heat pump discussion.
12:19 - Regenerating energy on the way down
12:58 - Cost to heat the car on our way home, energy use by the heater
13:55 - “Panic” stop with winter tires (Nokia Hakka R2)
14:30 - What would make the Leaf better for our area?
15:10 - Cold temps and limited regeneration
16:19 - Trip stats for the first leg of the descent
16:53 - The “energy info” screen in the Leaf
19:16 - Trip summary


image  
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Nissan LEAF – Winter Driving to Whitewater Ski Resort
]

Here is a Nissan LEAF winter trip to Whitewater Ski Resort in British
Columbia, Canada for all those interested in seeing how the Japanese
flagship electric car handles the task.

The big drawback is that energy consumption uphill stands at 2.7 km/kWh (1.7
miles) on average, which is a damn low value. However, because this was a
local trip, it was possible to reach the destination with around half
battery capacity left in reserve.

On the positive side, going down in B-mode (extensive regenerative braking)
helps not only to save brakes, but the pack is charging while driving –
several percent increase while going downhill, and a total of 52% when back
home again. Average energy usage fell to 4.8 km/kWh (3.0 miles). That would
translate to an average range of 100 km / 62 miles.

The video is via YouTuber “Kootenay EV Family”, which might seem like a
familiar name to those the discussion community.  Drop a question in the
comment section about LEAF driving in British Columbia…or if you need a ride
to Whitewater Ski Resort – you might get an answer, or a lift!

Driving experience in winter on snow was great compared to a conventional
car.

“A video about winter driving in the all-electric Nissan Leaf (2014 SL
model); filmed while driving to and from our local ski resort, Whitewater
...
[© 2016 Inside EVs]
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http://www.skiwhitewater.com/
Whitewater Ski Resort (no EVSE)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_Ski_Resort
...
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[EVDL] EVLN: "Helios"> Colorado River Discovery's Electric Raft

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101910_now-you-can-ride-an-all-electric-raft-down-the-colorado-river
Now You Can Ride An All-Electric Raft Down The Colorado River
Jan 17, 2016  Stephen Edelstein

[images  
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Colorado River Discovery electric raft "Helios"

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/colorado-river-discovery-electric-raft-helios_100543123_l.jpg
Colorado River Discovery electric raft

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/colorado-river-discovery-electric-raft-helios_100543120_l.jpg
crew
]

Highways and parking lots aren't the only places where you'll find electric
vehicles these days.

In fact, if you're planning to take a trip down the scenic Colorado River
this summer, you may very well traverse it on electric power.

Colorado River Discovery--which offers raft tours on portions of the river
in Arizona--says its first all-electric raft recently passed all necessary
testing to be certified by the U.S. Coast Guard and Arizona Game and Fish
Department.

With those regulatory hurdles cleared, the company says it is ready to begin
the "final stages of field testing" before an official launch this spring.

Other tour operators in the area use hybrid rafts, but Colorado River
Discovery claims its raft--named "Helios," after the god of the sun in Greek
mythology--will be the first all-electric craft to operate in the area.

Colorado River Discovery has operated tours on its namesake river for the
past decade, and claims to have been developing an electric raft for nearly
all of that time.

The company committed $1.50 from each guest fee to the electric-raft
project, Colorado River Discovery's Korey Seyler said in a press release
announcing the launch plans.

To support the project, the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation will install a
charging station for the raft.

It will draw power from a generating station inside the Glen Canyon Dam,
meaning the raft will be charged exclusively from this hydroelectric source.

In addition to reducing emissions, Colorado River Discovery expects the
electric raft to cut down on noise pollution on the stretches of the
Colorado River where it operates.

Meanwhile, different forms of zero-emission propulsion are also making their
way into larger craft.

Last summer, Norwegian ferry operator Norled place a battery-electric vessel
into service, as a test bed for possible future applications on 50 existing
ferry routes ...
[© greencarreports.com]
...
http://raftthecanyon.com/
Colorado River Discovery: Colorado River Rafting Arizona
...
[dated]
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093873_electric-boats-as-in-cars-electric-propulsion-offers-advantages-on-the-water
Electric Boats: As In Cars, Battery Power Offers Advantages On The Water
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[EVDL] EVLN: i3's range boosted to 120mi

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https://www.autonews.com/article/20160118/OEM05/301189994/bmw-will-boost-i3s-range
BMW will boost i3's range
January 18, 2016  Diana T. Kurylko

DETROIT -- BMW will boost the range of its i3 electric car by about half for
the 2017 model year.

This summer, the lithium ion battery pack of the compact EV will be
improved, "which puts it into a much more usable range," Ian Robertson, BMW
AG board member for sales and marketing, told Automotive News at the Detroit
auto show.

BMW doesn't have the exact figure yet, but a 50 percent increase means about
120 miles on a single charge, up from the current 81 miles. The i3 will get
other improvements, which BMW has not yet disclosed.

The improved battery would give the i3 a better range than the Nissan Leaf,
the top-selling electric car in the world, which can go up to 107 miles on a
single charge.

But it will pale in comparison to that of the upcoming Chevy Bolt, which
will have a range of 200 miles and cost less than $30,000 after federal tax
credits.

The i3 went on sale in the U.S. in the spring of 2014 and has a base price
of $43,350 including shipping. A model with a range extender is also
available -- with about double the range -- and starts at $47,200 including
shipping. Those prices are before tax credits. 
[© autonews.com]



http://mashable.com/2016/01/19/bmw-i3-120-mile-range/
Report: BMW increasing i3 EV range to 120 miles by this summer
[20160119]  Nick Jaynes

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The All-Electric BMW i3. / BMW

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]

Good news, compact luxury EV buyers: America's third-best-selling electric
vehicle, the BMW i3, might have a 120-mile range by this summer.

BMW is upgrading the battery pack in its i3 electric vehicle this summer,
Automotive News reports. The improved system would provide a 50% increase in
range. This would take the range from 81 miles to around 120.

That figure doesn't take into consideration the optional gasoline
three-cylinder engine that can increase driving range by around 80
additional miles.

BMW is reportedly also planning a few other unannounced upgrades for its
entry-level EV, which starts at $42,400 before tax incentives.

While 120 miles is great, especially compared to peppy compact EVs like the
Fiat 500e or the sales juggernaut Nissan LEAF, it's a far cry from the
range-anxiety-eliminating Chevy Bolt. That car, which was unveiled at CES
earlier this month, boasts a 200-mile range for a mere $30,000 — after tax
incentives. And that's without any sort of gasoline-burning range-extender
onboard.

Granted, though tech-savvy and accessible, the i3 easily takes the cake for
cool-factor over the Bolt. I mean, i3 has open-pore wood on the dash that
ages with the car — never mind the floating screen and swoopy interior
lines. Need I say more?

Regardless of its coolness, the i3's reported improved range signals that
carmakers are seriously investing in battery electric vehicle technology.
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[EVDL] FCA CEO Marchionne> EV technology risks automaker “disintermediation”

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'Renault-Nissan CEO Ghosn says in so many words, resistance is futile'

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/15/sergio-marchionne-admits-ev-revolution-would-crush-automakers/
Sergio Marchionne Admits EV Revolution Would Crush Automakers
January 15th, 2016  Zachary Shahan 

[image]  Sergio Marchionne  / ZRyzner / Shutterstock.com
[video  dated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf15nMnayXk
Amplify Mentor Event: Marc Tarpenning (Tesla)
Jeff Solomon Aug 8, 2013
"You want to start a what?"
Marc Tarpenning speaks about co-founding Tesla Motors with Martin Eberhard.
Marc ran the electrical engineering group as well as being the acting CFO
for the first three years. Tesla Motors has sold over 2500 fully battery
electric Roadsters and is now delivering Model S sedans ... Since leaving
Tesla Motors, Mr. Tarpenning has been Entrepreneur in Residence at Mayfield
Fund, sits on several company Advisory Boards, speaks frequently on
entrepreneurship, is a Mentor at Greenstart ...
]

We should really do a series on this topic. For now, though, I just want to
quickly highlight an article I published last year along with new comments
from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) CEO Sergio Marchionne.

As I noted yesterday when discussing a Q with Renault & Nissan CEO &
Chairman Carlos Ghosn [
http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/15/nissan-renault-ceo-chairman-talks-electric-cars-autonomous-driving-ota-updates-videos/
], Sergio Marchionne admitted very directly at the Detroit Auto Show a key
reason he detests the EV revolution: it takes away the core competitive
advantage of FCA, as well as other major automakers. Automakers have
outsourced much of the core work of building cars. What they still
specialize in is building internal combustion engines (ICE) and ICE
drivetrains. If the world transitions away from those, automakers no longer
have much of a competitive advantage to hold their privileged places near
the top of the economy.

Here’s more from The Financial Times [
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/df1d7bb8-b889-11e5-bf7e-8a339b6f2164.html#axzz3xKkAHQFg
] and Sergio’s statements and message:

He warned the adoption of electric technology risked continuing the process
that he called “disintermediation”, under which carmakers have gradually
lost control over elements of a vehicle’s contents to suppliers.

“It’s been a very steady, rigorous process of disintermediation,” said Mr
Marchionne.

Having initially manufactured all their own components, carmakers currently
retain primary control of making only vehicles’ powertrains — their engines
and transmissions — he added.

“If we start losing any of that . . . we will not be able to hang on to any
proprietary knowledge and control of that business,” said Mr Marchionne. “We
won’t be manufacturing the batteries. We won’t be manufacturing the electric
motors that are part of that powertrain.”

This is nothing new, but it’s something not many people are aware of.

Actually, this was discussed at length by Tesla Motors cofounder Marc
Tarpenning in a video I shared back in 2013 and then again last year in the
article “#1 Reason Why Big Auto Isn’t Big On EV Revolution?,” [
http://evobsession.com/1-reason-why-big-auto-isnt-big-on-ev-revolution/
] so I will just repost that article to inform any new readers of the story
and remind long-time readers of why so many major automakers (maybe even all
of them) are quite anti-EV:

I wrote about this years ago when summarizing and discussing this wonderful
presentation from Tesla cofounder Marc Tarpenning [
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/26/co-founder-tesla-starting-tesla-video/
], and I’ve brought it up in numerous comment threads, but it is still
something that is little understood and very infrequently discussed. I’m
talking about what I think is the #1 reason why large automakers are not
throwing themselves into the EV revolution, why their electric offerings and
electric programs don’t match Tesla’s. That is: the competitive advantage of
large automakers is almost entirely in their knowledge, experience, and
intellectual property (IP) surrounding the internal combustion engine
(which, of course, is not a component of a fully electric car).

Marc highlighted the fact that auto companies have been outsourcing more and
more parts of the car in the past several decades, resulting in almost no
competitive advantage outside of the engine (and basic manufacturing
economies of scale and supplier connections). He said that the sluggish pace
at which Big Auto was moving toward electric transport was one of the key
talking points they initially used to attract investors, but after leaving
Tesla and consulting a bit for these large automakers, he found out… it was
much worse than they had been saying!

Of course, outside of straight patents and IP, the top executives of these
auto companies have extensive experience and knowledge of internal
combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Most of them, especially as they approach
the ends of their careers, don’t feel comfortable 

[EVDL] EVLN: Ashok Leyland Optare MetroDecker double-decker e-bus r:320km/200mi

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.autocarpro.in/news-international/ev-bus-maker-optare-double-range-320km-10187
EV bus maker Optare to double range to 320km
Jan 18, 2016

[images  
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MetroCity

http://www.autocarpro.in/IMG/673/15673/solosr-699x380.jpg?1453120234
]

The Ashok Leyland-owned, UK-based Optare, the market leader for pure
electric buses, has announced that it is well underway with a project that
will increase the range of its MetroCity and Solo EVs to 200 miles/320
kilometres with no net weight gain and no intrusion into passenger space.

“This ongoing project will double their range,” says engineering director
Alastair Munro. “It is supported by our parent company Ashok Leyland, which
has phenomenal technical ability but at the moment the range extension
project is managed by Optare.”

Phase two of the plan will be a joined one between the two companies, he
adds.

“Much of the project is how we match high-performance motors and
transmissions. We are also looking at battery technology, and how they are
packaged.”

Munro adds that a key part of extending the range of EVs is how on-bus
heating is managed. “That can make a huge difference to energy consumption,
and part of the project is to engineer things correctly to use energy in the
best way possible,” he says, which may extend to pre-heating the bus during
its overnight charge and adding insulation.

Keeping whole-life costs low is also a priority. “Almost anything is
possible with an electric bus, but we have to be realistic. We could fit
very high-performance batteries, but they would significantly increase the
purchase price of the bus. It’s a balancing act between weight, passenger
capacity – and how much the operator is prepared to spend,” he says.

Work to convert a demonstrator and the first of six in-service Solo EVs to
double their range has already begun at the Sherburn-in-Elmet plant, with
the last to be completed before June.

Munro also confirms that an electric MetroDecker double-decker is expected
to debut towards the end of 2016. It will retain the diesel version’s
18,000kg GVW and will not need to take advantage of the forthcoming
relaxation of the maximum weight for two-axle PCVs to 19,500kg.
[© Autocar Professional]
...
http://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/commercial-vehicle/mhcv/ashok-leylands-optare-working-to-double-ev-range-to-200-miles/50641035
Ashok Leyland's Optare working to double EV range to 200 miles
19 January 2016  Optare also confirmed that an electric MetroDecker
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Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Although daisy changing outlets is usually not a good idea, I wonder if
there is a PLUG-IN heavier duty plug/socket combo.  You plug it in once
and then do your plugging and unplugging from it.

In the space industry we have what we call pin-savers.  These are
back-to-back male female connectors that go on to all satellite systems
during the integration and test phases so that all of thepllugging and
unplugging is not from the actual pins until flight.  Then these are
removed and the cables are plugged in directly.

Maybe there is an opportunity here for someone make one.  Easier than
replacing an outlet.  But again, it would only work if done before the
original outlet gets too worn.

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On Jan 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bill Dube via EV  wrote:
> If you are planning on plugging in an EV daily into a 120 volt outlet,
you would likely want to eventually change it out for a "hospital grade"
type receptacle. These are really designed to take constant, daily,
disconnection and reconnection use and are constructed of _far_ better
materials than a standard receptacle. They cost at least 5 times as much
as a standard receptacle, of course.

I second that!!  Although the availability of "hospital grade" outlets is
news to me, I have overheated/burnt/melted too many 120V outlets trying to
charge my EV at just 12A.  I use a heavy duty 12AWG cord too.  I have
found that the more industrial-looking plugs at your hardware store tend
to fit tighter into the outlets and have fewer overheating problems.

I'm actually seriously considering adding some sort of temperature sensor
to the plug.  I think Tesla did this in response to their melted
connectors issue.

-Ben

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Re: [EVDL] Where 20 amp receptacles are required

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 21 Jan 2016 at 9:36, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

>  I wonder if there is a PLUG-IN heavier duty plug/socket combo.  You
> plug it in once and then do your plugging and unplugging from it. 

That's an interesting idea.  It would probably be more expensive that just 
changing the receptacle when it starts to wear, but more convenient in some 
cases.

I don't object to changing worn receptacles.  However, my experience is that 
the only ones I've had to change are the cheapies.  Good quality receptacles 
can take thousands of connection cycles, and still support 16 amps for EV 
charging.

The key is "good quality."  Commercial, industrial, or hospital grade is the 
way to go.  If you watch Ebay, often you can get a box lot of these better 
recepts for little more than what you'd pay for "specification grade" (about 
one notch above the 50 cent bin stuff) at the Big Orange or Blue Box.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] FCA CEO Marchionne> EV technology risks automaker “disintermediation”

[Lee Hart via EV]

brucedp5 via EV wrote:

Renault-Nissan CEO Ghosn says in so many words, resistance [to EVs] is futile...
Sergio Marchionne [Fiat Chysler CEO] admitted very directly... a key reason he
detests the EV revolution: it takes away the core competitive advantage of
automakers. They have outsourced much of the core work of building cars. What
they still specialize in is building internal combustion engines (ICE) and ICE
drivetrains. If the world transitions away from those, automakers no longer
have much of a competitive advantage to hold their privileged places near
the top of the economy.


> Renault-Nissan CEO Ghosn says in so many words, resistance [to EVs] 
is futile...


Great post, Bruce. I might carry this further, and point out that when 
big companies cannot control something, they act to crush it.


Resistance to EVs is *not* futile. The automakers have already succeeded 
for decades!


There is no question that they have been working hard to gain control of 
the situation. There are plenty of examples of them buying out key 
competitors and shutting them down, or buying the rights to key 
technologies and then burying it.

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[EVDL] Installing External Charge Access

[Mike Beem via EV]

A friend who does electrical work in the North Bay here  stopped by
yesterday asking an EV related question: 1 of his customers wants to be
able to offer people with EV's a place to charge when they visit him--What
does he need to supply and install? In some ways I am the wrong EV driver
to ask about this, as I have only installed and used Levels 1 & 2 as I
understand the classifications. When I was building my garage/shop in 1999
after starting my 1st full on conversion, I installed 2 new meters: 1 grid
tied to our PV installation, and 1 which only operates a 50 amp service for
EV charging and occasional welding. I have never used any of the "new" EVSE
installations, so don't have the necessary adaptors for my daily driver. My
question is--are the new EV's people are driving able to use receptacles
like the 14-50, or do they need one of the (expensive!) EVSE's in order to
charge?
Thank  you!!
Michael B
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Re: [EVDL] Installing External Charge Access

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

The short answer is that J1772 is the default that is the easiest way for any 
commercial EV driver to charge.  That does require an EVSE, at least at some 
level.  If he was installing 220V service for L2, that would be the way to go.

If installing L1, the cars generally have some sort of adapter that plugs into 
110V.  A standard outlet could then be installed.  Weather proof housing, of 
course.

Tesla has available adapters for 220V 50A and 30A outlets, but I think that is 
rare with other EVs.

Mike


On January 21, 2016 5:58:38 PM MST, Mike Beem via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>A friend who does electrical work in the North Bay here  stopped by
>yesterday asking an EV related question: 1 of his customers wants to be
>able to offer people with EV's a place to charge when they visit
>him--What
>does he need to supply and install? In some ways I am the wrong EV
>driver
>to ask about this, as I have only installed and used Levels 1 & 2 as I
>understand the classifications. When I was building my garage/shop in
>1999
>after starting my 1st full on conversion, I installed 2 new meters: 1
>grid
>tied to our PV installation, and 1 which only operates a 50 amp service
>for
>EV charging and occasional welding. I have never used any of the "new"
>EVSE
>installations, so don't have the necessary adaptors for my daily
>driver. My
>question is--are the new EV's people are driving able to use
>receptacles
>like the 14-50, or do they need one of the (expensive!) EVSE's in order
>to
>charge?
>Thank  you!!
>Michael B
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Re: [EVDL] Installing External Charge Access

[Daniel Eyk via EV]

Have you checked into or considered an RV Electrical box? It has both a 220 and 
2- 110/120 volt outlets and if I remember correctly, it is rated at 30 amps. It 
could be rated higher, but I can't remember for sure as it has been a little 
while since I looked at it. 
The only other recommendation is to install it to meet local electrical 
standards, then when/if you have it inspected, there shouldn't be any problems. 
Oh, you might want to take pictures of the installation inside the garage and 
outside and the trench so they can see that it is buried at least 18 inches 
below ground level which code requires here in Clark County, Washington (not 
Clark County, Nevada). 
 I have looked at one at Grover's Electric and Plumbing here in Vancouver, 
Washington and am thinking of installing one with separate wiring circuits and 
circuit breakers for both the 120 and 240 circuits so others can charge here on 
a return trip to Portland, Oregon in case they don't have the range to get back 
to Portland without some recharge. The only hang up is budgets as I am retired. 
Hope to have it done in the near future. Dan  
Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project E8M 

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 5:07 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
 

 The short answer is that J1772 is the default that is the easiest way for any 
commercial EV driver to charge.  That does require an EVSE, at least at some 
level.  If he was installing 220V service for L2, that would be the way to go.

If installing L1, the cars generally have some sort of adapter that plugs into 
110V.  A standard outlet could then be installed.  Weather proof housing, of 
course.

Tesla has available adapters for 220V 50A and 30A outlets, but I think that is 
rare with other EVs.

Mike


On January 21, 2016 5:58:38 PM MST, Mike Beem via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>A friend who does electrical work in the North Bay here  stopped by
>yesterday asking an EV related question: 1 of his customers wants to be
>able to offer people with EV's a place to charge when they visit
>him--What
>does he need to supply and install? In some ways I am the wrong EV
>driver
>to ask about this, as I have only installed and used Levels 1 & 2 as I
>understand the classifications. When I was building my garage/shop in
>1999
>after starting my 1st full on conversion, I installed 2 new meters: 1
>grid
>tied to our PV installation, and 1 which only operates a 50 amp service
>for
>EV charging and occasional welding. I have never used any of the "new"
>EVSE
>installations, so don't have the necessary adaptors for my daily
>driver. My
>question is--are the new EV's people are driving able to use
>receptacles
>like the 14-50, or do they need one of the (expensive!) EVSE's in order
>to
>charge?
>Thank  you!!
>Michael B
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