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Re: [EVDL] Insurance article from KPMG, EV and autonomous (link to PDF)

2016-10-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV

I see nothing about EVs here. I did a search on the article for EV, battery and
electric. What am I missing?

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From: robert winfield via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: brucedp5
<bruce...@operamail.com>,"ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>,
Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL]
Insurance article from KPMG, EV and autonomous (link to PDF) Date: 10/30/16,
5:07 AM

https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2016/06/id-market-place-of-change-automobile-insurance-in-the-era-of-autonomous-vehicles.pdf

this seems to be a fairly dispassionate look at insurance on EV's and
autonomous effect on insurance(a decline of 60% in the industry so they are
naturally freaking out)

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Subject: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why
Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

% Normally, I seek out only the positive EV news item for posting. But
sometimes I find what seems like an anti-EV release that might shed some
light on other points concerning EVs. I ask that for those interested, bring
up the URL (below) on your own (I did not want to post all their
mis-information as that only perpetuates their incorrect statements). I did
put a few of the key points you should examine (see below).

- ? Am I right in thinking the purpose of this Eng's statements, are to
promote his company's agenda ? If so, then this is not necessarily a
Koch-Bros funded anti-EV/misinformation smear, but one that is intent on
helping drive business to that company ... (am I right?)

- Releases like this being sent out to Insurance companies will certainly
keep them from wanting to 'take a risk' on EVs, once they have read all the
overblown hype from the writer (his writing leans heavily on an 'EV sky is
falling' attitude) %

http://www.canadianautoworld.ca/industry-news/electric-vehicles-and-the-unique-risks-insurers-need-to-consider

Electric vehicles and the unique risks insurers need to consider
October 17, 2016 Chris K. Panasiewicz

... Insurance companies need to consider the major risks of insuring these
lightweight, electric vehicles and ensure that premiums reflect the
potential risks associated with insuring them.

... [EV] risk of injury can be higher and repairs and replacement parts can
be very costly. Here are some of the lesser-known concerns associated with
owning and driving electric vehicles.

Thermal Runaway ...

Fire on Impact ...

Constantly ‘Running’ ...

Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations ...

Risk of Collision Injuries ...

Risk to Pedestrians ...

... electric vehicles posing twice the degree of accident and injury risk
when stopping, starting, slowing down, backing up, and entering or exiting
driveways ...

Battery Disposal Cost ...

Insurance companies need to be aware of the differences between gas-powered
and electric vehicles, and consider the different risks associated with
insuring them ...

Chris K. Panasiewicz, M.Sc., P.Eng., CFEI, is a consulting forensic engineer
who specializes in fire and explosions investigations and electrical
engineering. He is qualified as an expert witness in the Ontario Superior
Court of Justice and has investigated over 300 forensic incidents to date.
He has over 10 years of fire and explosions experience ...
[© 2016 Metroland Media Group]
...
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chris-panasiewicz-5aa48092
Chris Panasiewicz
Forensic Engineer at Origin And Cause
http://www.origin-and-cause.com/media/Chris_Panasiewicz_new.pdf
...
http://www.origin-and-cause.com/
Origin & Cause-Fire Arson Investigator, Insurance Forensics
Origin & Cause has 25 Forensic Engineers and Fire Investigators that combine
their Fire, Forensic Training and Education to Deliver Unrivalled Response.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Wolf
When one is said to Cry wolf it is an expression that means to "raise a
false alarm", derived from the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Cry Wolf may
also refer to:.

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Re: [EVDL] Chevy Volt in long term storage?

2016-10-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV

Storing it with the traction battery at 50% or so is in accord with usual 
good practice for lithium batteries.  I would not suggest storing it at full 
charge, especially if it's going to be in a warm-to-hot storage facility.

I would be at least as concerned, if not more so, about the ICE components 
gumming up in long term storage than about traction battery problems 
appearing.  

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Re: [EVDL] Chevy Volt in long term storage?

2016-10-30 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Bob,

I have never done it with ours, but if I remember correctly,  my 2012 Volt
manual says to run down the charge to about 50% just before any long-term
storage.  The low self discharge of lithium should mean no need for any
maintenance charging.

Peter Flipsen
Hillsboro, OR

On Oct 30, 2016 4:25 PM, "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> Ha s anyone heard of any ill effects on the Chevy Volt parked for over 6
> monhts without use?  A Snowbird wants to know.  She will put the 12v on a
> battery minder, but what about the HV battery?
>
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[EVDL] Chevy Volt in long term storage?

2016-10-30 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV

Ha s anyone heard of any ill effects on the Chevy Volt parked for over 6
monhts without use?  A Snowbird wants to know.  She will put the 12v on a
battery minder, but what about the HV battery?


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Re: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

2016-10-30 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV

pecializes in fire and explosions investigations and electrical
>> engineering. He is qualified as an expert witness in the Ontario Superior
>> Court of Justice and has investigated over 300 forensic incidents to date.
>> He has over 10 years of fire and explosions experience ...
>> [© 2016 Metroland Media Group]
>> ...
>> https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chris-panasiewicz-5aa48092
>> Chris Panasiewicz
>> Forensic Engineer at Origin And Cause
>> http://www.origin-and-cause.com/media/Chris_Panasiewicz_new.pdf
>> ...
>> http://www.origin-and-cause.com/
>> Origin & Cause-Fire Arson Investigator, Insurance Forensics
>> Origin & Cause has 25 Forensic Engineers and Fire Investigators that combine
>> their Fire, Forensic Training and Education to Deliver Unrivalled Response.
>> ...
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Wolf
>> When one is said to Cry wolf it is an expression that means to "raise a
>> false alarm", derived from the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Cry Wolf may
>> also refer to:.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> http://evdl.org/evln/
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Re: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

2016-10-30 Thread paul dove via EV

The have to pass the same crash tests of any vehicle. If it was hazardous they 
would have found it by now.

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> On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:59 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> % Normally, I seek out only the positive EV news item for posting. But
> sometimes I find what seems like an anti-EV release that might shed some
> light on other points concerning EVs. I ask that for those interested, bring
> up the URL (below) on your own (I did not want to post all their
> mis-information as that only perpetuates their incorrect statements). I did
> put a few of the key points you should examine (see below).
> 
> - ? Am I right in thinking the purpose of this Eng's statements, are to
> promote his company's agenda ? If so, then this is not necessarily a
> Koch-Bros funded anti-EV/misinformation  smear, but one that is intent on
> helping drive business to that company ... (am I right?)
> 
> - Releases like this being sent out to Insurance companies will certainly
> keep them from wanting to 'take a risk' on EVs, once they have read all the
> overblown hype from the writer (his writing leans heavily on an 'EV sky is
> falling' attitude) %
> 
> 
> http://www.canadianautoworld.ca/industry-news/electric-vehicles-and-the-unique-risks-insurers-need-to-consider
> Electric vehicles and the unique risks insurers need to consider
> October 17, 2016  Chris K. Panasiewicz
> 
> ... Insurance companies need to consider the major risks of insuring these
> lightweight, electric vehicles and ensure that premiums reflect the
> potential risks associated with insuring them.
> 
> ... [EV] risk of injury can be higher and repairs and replacement parts can
> be very costly. Here are some of the lesser-known concerns associated with
> owning and driving electric vehicles.
> 
> Thermal Runaway ...
> 
> Fire on Impact ...
> 
> Constantly ‘Running’ ...
> 
> Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations ...
> 
> Risk of Collision Injuries ...
> 
> Risk to Pedestrians ...
> 
> ... electric vehicles posing twice the degree of accident and injury risk
> when stopping, starting, slowing down, backing up, and entering or exiting
> driveways ...
> 
> Battery Disposal Cost ...
> 
> Insurance companies need to be aware of the differences between gas-powered
> and electric vehicles, and consider the different risks associated with
> insuring them ...
> 
> Chris K. Panasiewicz, M.Sc., P.Eng., CFEI, is a consulting forensic engineer
> who specializes in fire and explosions investigations and electrical
> engineering. He is qualified as an expert witness in the Ontario Superior
> Court of Justice and has investigated over 300 forensic incidents to date.
> He has over 10 years of fire and explosions experience ...
> [© 2016 Metroland Media Group]
> ...
> https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chris-panasiewicz-5aa48092
> Chris Panasiewicz
> Forensic Engineer at Origin And Cause
> http://www.origin-and-cause.com/media/Chris_Panasiewicz_new.pdf
> ...
> http://www.origin-and-cause.com/
> Origin & Cause-Fire Arson Investigator, Insurance Forensics
> Origin & Cause has 25 Forensic Engineers and Fire Investigators that combine
> their Fire, Forensic Training and Education to Deliver Unrivalled Response.
> ...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Wolf
> When one is said to Cry wolf it is an expression that means to "raise a
> false alarm", derived from the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Cry Wolf may
> also refer to:.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: 
> http://evdl.org/evln/
> 
> 
> {brucedp.0catch.com}
> 
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Re: [EVDL] How cum zit? cid #'s added to nabble-archived URLs > failto open links

2016-10-30 Thread via EV

I only have the issue with the cid= on the electrak.co links. It doesn’t seem 
to matter what browser I use.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] How cum zit? cid #'s added to nabble-archived URLs > failto 
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On 10/29/2016 10:56 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
> Spending the time to be more through on an upcoming news item posts, I found
> a [dated] post in the archive:
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Varsovia-pl-s-2018-e-mobile-office-concept-EV-r-350km-td4683702.html
>
> When I clicked to lauch the page's URL in that post [
> https://electrek.co/2016/09/02/varsovia-motor-electric-concept-car-mobile-office/;cid=1477596389281-127
> ], it failed.
My observations using LinuxMint/Thunderbird/Firefox:
The nabble link worked.  The electrek link on the nabble page worked and 
did not seem to have the "cid=" cruft.  The above electrek link failed.  
Manually removing the tail end cruft allowed the link to work.

I don't know where your "cid=" is coming from but apparently not all see it.


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Re: [EVDL] Insurance article from KPMG, EV and autonomous (link to PDF)

2016-10-30 Thread robert winfield via EV

tp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)



 
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Re: [EVDL] Insurance article from KPMG, EV and autonomous (link to PDF)

2016-10-30 Thread robert winfield via EV

https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2016/06/id-market-place-of-change-automobile-insurance-in-the-era-of-autonomous-vehicles.pdf
this seems to be a fairly dispassionate look at insurance on EV's and
autonomous effect on insurance(a decline of 60% in the industry so they are
naturally freaking out)

http://www.canadianautoworld.ca/industry-news/electric-vehicles-and-the-unique-risks-insurers-need-to-consider
Electric vehicles and the unique risks insurers need to consider
October 17, 2016 Chris K. Panasiewicz

... Insurance companies need to consider the major risks of insuring these
lightweight, electric vehicles and ensure that premiums reflect the
potential risks associated with insuring them.

... [EV] risk of injury can be higher and repairs and replacement parts can
be very costly. Here are some of the lesser-known concerns associated with
owning and driving electric vehicles.

Thermal Runaway ...

Fire on Impact ...

Constantly ‘Running’ ...

Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations ...

Risk of Collision Injuries ...

Risk to Pedestrians ...

... electric vehicles posing twice the degree of accident and injury risk
when stopping, starting, slowing down, backing up, and entering or exiting
driveways ...

Battery Disposal Cost ...

Insurance companies need to be aware of the differences between gas-powered
and electric vehicles, and consider the different risks associated with
insuring them ...

For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
http://evdl.org/evln/

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Re: [EVDL] How cum zit? cid #'s added to nabble-archived URLs > fail to open links

2016-10-30 Thread Willie via EV




On 10/29/2016 10:56 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


Spending the time to be more through on an upcoming news item posts, I found
a [dated] post in the archive:

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Varsovia-pl-s-2018-e-mobile-office-concept-EV-r-350km-td4683702.html

When I clicked to lauch the page's URL in that post [
https://electrek.co/2016/09/02/varsovia-motor-electric-concept-car-mobile-office/;cid=1477596389281-127
], it failed.

My observations using LinuxMint/Thunderbird/Firefox:
The nabble link worked.  The electrek link on the nabble page worked and 
did not seem to have the "cid=" cruft.  The above electrek link failed.  
Manually removing the tail end cruft allowed the link to work.


I don't know where your "cid=" is coming from but apparently not all see it.


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Re: [EVDL] How cum zit? cid #'s added to nabble-archived URLs > fail to open links

2016-10-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV

On 29 Oct 2016 at 20:56, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> Spending the time to be more through on an upcoming news item posts, I found
> a [dated] post in the archive:
> 
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Varsovia-pl-s-2018-e-mobile-office-concept-EV-r-350km-td4683702.html
> 
> When I clicked to lauch the page's URL in that post [
> https://electrek.co/2016/09/02/varsovia-motor-electric-concept-car-mobile-office/;cid=1477596389281-127
> ], it failed.
> 

Works fine for me.  The article's title is "New electric concept car with 
`mobile office´ promises to redefine luxury interiors."

> Answer: the nabble archive attaches a cid= number to the end of any
> link in a post. 

I don't see any extraneous characters on the end of any of the links.  

I checked several other EVLN posts, and all the links worked for me.  

You might try a different browser or computer to see if that makes a 
difference.

Total WAG: I suppose it's possible that Nabble was tinkering with their back 
end scripts when you tried that link, and you just happened to catch it at 
the wrong moment.

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Re: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

2016-10-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV

I would agree that there are real problems with the article, but to ascribe it
to either a conspiracy or self- interest on the part of the author is
presumptuous or even dangerous.
Personally, I think that a carefully worded response to the article (including
data would be valuable) would be worthwhile, and provide some needed education
to both the author and readers of the publication. Sure, there may be some
downsides from an *insurance* point of view *right now* of BEVs, but also
strong advantages compared to ICEs that insurers should be aware of. And then
there are the assertions that are just completely out of left field that ought
to be corrected.
IMHO, of course.
- Mark

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[EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers'
EV-uptake is slow?) Date: 10/29/16, 8:59 PM

http://www.canadianautoworld.ca/industry-news/electric-vehicles-and-the-unique-risks-insurers-need-to-consider

Electric vehicles and the unique risks insurers need to consider
October 17, 2016 Chris K. Panasiewicz

... Insurance companies need to consider the major risks of insuring these
lightweight, electric vehicles and ensure that premiums reflect the
potential risks associated with insuring them.

... [EV] risk of injury can be higher and repairs and replacement parts can
be very costly. Here are some of the lesser-known concerns associated with
owning and driving electric vehicles.

Thermal Runaway ...

Fire on Impact ...

Constantly ‘Running’ ...

Proper Maintenance of Charging Stations ...

Risk of Collision Injuries ...

Risk to Pedestrians ...

... electric vehicles posing twice the degree of accident and injury risk
when stopping, starting, slowing down, backing up, and entering or exiting
driveways ...

Battery Disposal Cost ...

Insurance companies need to be aware of the differences between gas-powered
and electric vehicles, and consider the different risks associated with
insuring them ...

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Rs5-46-8-46lakh-8-2-12-6k-M-amp-M-e20-Plus-EV-launched-r-140km-ts-85kph-td4684250.html
EVLN: Rs5.46-8.46lakh($8.2-12.6k) M e20 Plus EV launched r:140km ts:85kph
M launches e20 Plus priced upto Rs 8.46 lakh
HOMEGROWN auto major (M) is looking for a bigger play in the electric
vehicle (EV) segment, with plans to launch electric versions of its existing
...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Bruninga-speaks-out-about-gt-Moving-PVs-From-Rooftops-to-Cars-td4684249.html
Bruninga speaks-out about> Moving PVs From Rooftops to Cars
When his bosses at the U.S. Naval Academy in Maryland would not let him plug
in his electric car to charge it during the work day, he took matters into
his own ...

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Tesla Driver Oblivious to Autopilot Preventing Rear-End Collision
... the Autopilot worked its wonders and prevented the EV it was installed
in ...

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Tesla-S EV stolen @owner's home hours before involved in fatal 100mph
hit crash
The car was stolen from in front of his house about an hour before the
crash.  Plenty of people leave their car running with the keys in it,
why should an EV with ...




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