Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
On 21 Nov 2016 at 16:42, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > OK, so stay away from the current (defunct) jstraubel (dot) com website My computer didn't do anything strange at that URL, but I also run Noscript and have a large hosts file blocking most malware sites. I did see a script listed for sedoparking.com. Sedo appears to be an ad farm, a way to "monetize" your unused domain names, so I'd agree that it's probably better to stay away. I see no evidence that the other links (evalbum and archive.org) are in any way harmful. The archive of the pusher is in fact quite interesting, and I recommend checking it out if you've never before heard of this form of EV range extender. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
i clicked on the straubel link.had to do a task manager killdid a restore web pages, got zapped againhave malwarebytes running, it found clean, but again anyway 2xim very leery and still got hit, eh.(using chrome and update it manually and automatic From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Hi Robert, thanks for catching the unsafe redirect warning. I did not notice as I have the "NoScript" plugin on FireFox so that Javascript is by default not running on my computer, I have to individually approve websites that don't work without JavaScript, or simply let them be broken if I don't fully trust them. So, I was not getting the redirect. Note that the jstraubel.com hosting site is a server in The Netherlands, offering the domain for sale. So, it may be that some websites on this domain are unsafe - not necessarily the server message that offers the domain for sale, but again I don't know for sure as my browser is not being redirected anyway. I presume that the EValbum page are OK, as well as the archive.org capture of JB Straubel's website, I looked at a version from 10 years ago and that showed up perfectly with the details on the gen 2 pusher. Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. From: robert winfield [mailto:winfield...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:32 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 the link below has a hostile malware redirect DO NOT CLICK THE DAMN THING OR THE JSTRAUBEL DOT COM LINK INSIDE IT --->>>You will hose your computer<<< At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 <http://www.evalbum.com/223> (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Bob, You don't understand - the pusher is a device that you build yourself for about $500 by getting a good-running Salvage (rear end crashed for example) and cutting off everything behind the A-pillar, fixing the front wheel steering into straight-ahead (lock steering) and put some cover in place over the dash, as well as mounting a fuel tank and pump somewhere, for example in the footwell. Then weld on a tow hitch, wire up the remote start and accelerator control and off you go. At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to the pusher don't work) http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14=1255=110 Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com <http://www.proxim.com/> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:14 PM To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Cor van de Water Subject: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 The cost of the pusher (in the small quantities that anyone would want to buy them) would be more than the cost of a spare car! And it you drag it along most places you go, you'llbe cutting your mileage by far more than it is worth. Just towing a tiny 4'x4' utility trailer (solar panels) behind my prius drops the mileage form 50 down to 35 MPG. A pusher is just a crutch for delaying the ievitable loss of a gas station on every corner. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:17 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subj
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
On 11/21/2016 09:37 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. I believe I have recounted here my two experiences towing an imiev with a Tesla? The first trip about 200 miles from Plano to home (south of Austin). The second from Houston, about 150 miles. No problem at all on either trip. Generally towing (and regenning) about 30 miles, then driving about 50 miles. The first was done at night and I have no photos. The second, I fabricated a "stiff rope" tow bar and did take some photos: https://plus.google.com/102434734002949174273/posts/4fc5j5XVFri In both cases, SuperChargers provided much of the energy. MANY times I have reflected on the possibility of attaching to trucks on the highway. Maybe a chain of EVs being towed and regenning. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
I got a banker to admit to me that even a certified check is in jeopardy of being reversed even months later. Dan On 11/21/2016 11:58 AM, Lawrence Harris via EV wrote: Yup, sounds like a scam so if you want to proceed first make sure the cheque clears before you ship. The typical additional part is they send a cheque for more than the amount saying the extra is for shipping or some such and ask that you refund them the difference, by cheque or money order. Unfortunately often the cheque is drawn on a stolen account that the owner may not realize has been compromised so it can clear and appear good for sometimes a long time before the money is suddenly reversed and you are left dangling. I worked this scam with a friend who was selling a wheel chair on craigslist and the guy sent a cheque for more than the value, wanted the chair sent to a third party along with the difference after shipping costs. A couple of phone calls and it was obvious that it was a scam. We reported it to the police gave them the cheque and led the guy on for a bit before we stopped the communications. Never did find out what the resolution was. So be careful. Lawrence On Nov 21, 2016, at 07:02, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: Hi Mark, There are some red flags that you are often warned about, such as using a check or money order from abroad that appears legit on first sight, but two or 3 weeks later your bank calls that the piece of paper is worthless. The most often occurring form of that scam was that they sent you a too large payment, to cover the cost of shipment and honest sellers would send the buyers a personal check or cash for the overage. So, after all was said and done, they were out of their car, and shipping costs and whatever cash or check they sent to the buyer, only left with a worthless piece of paper. So, if the type of payment you receive is not a guaranteed type of payment (please ask your bank to confirm!) then you must wait a *loong* time before even shipping your vehicle! That said, it is possible that a (foreign?) buyer absolutely wants to have a nice looking Ghia and then 3 grand is a bargain, EV or not. So, it is possible that it simply is someone with more money than realization of what an EV is, he simply wants a nice looking car and someone will take care that it runs I hope you find out soon what the intent of the buyer is! Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hanson via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:22 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay Hi folks I'm curious if this is normal. I just sold my Ghia evalbum.com/4346 on EBay for $3335. The guy doesn't ask anything about EV operation when I've sent a fair amount of info. I just get misspelled notifications like the transporters will be soon pick up. Last night I was requested to give my pay pal account number which I replied with my email address was all he needed to pay or click on the ad to pay by PayPal. Now he says he's mailing a bank check instead. When I call his number I just get some breathing and then hung up several times. He doesn't appear to be an EV enthusiast but hopefully the check will be ok. I'm buying a Chevy Spark EV in Maryland Friday to go along with my Leaf. Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3579 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161121/e5ae5926/attachment.bin> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
the link below has a hostile malware redirectDO NOT CLICK THE DAMN THING OR THE JSTRAUBEL DOT COM LINK INSIDE IT--->>>You will hose your computer<<< At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Bob, You don't understand - the pusher is a device that you build yourself for about $500 by getting a good-running Salvage (rear end crashed for example) and cutting off everything behind the A-pillar, fixing the front wheel steering into straight-ahead (lock steering) and put some cover in place over the dash, as well as mounting a fuel tank and pump somewhere, for example in the footwell. Then weld on a tow hitch, wire up the remote start and accelerator control and off you go. At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to the pusher don't work) http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14=1255=110 Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:14 PM To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Cor van de Water Subject: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 The cost of the pusher (in the small quantities that anyone would want to buy them) would be more than the cost of a spare car! And it you drag it along most places you go, you'llbe cutting your mileage by far more than it is worth. Just towing a tiny 4'x4' utility trailer (solar panels) behind my prius drops the mileage form 50 down to 35 MPG. A pusher is just a crutch for delaying the ievitable loss of a gas station on every corner. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:17 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. > However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. Here's a related idea that I keep thinking about: A few people have built "pusher" trailers. The trailer is really the front clip of a front-wheel drive car, complete with ICE, automatic transmission, and transaxle. The throttle and ignition switch are remoted so they can be operated from the driver's seat. To take a long trip with your EV, connect the pusher trailer to a trailer hitch. Start the ICE, put it in Drive, and go! When the ICE is idling, it just creeps forward, like any car with an automatic transmission. Your EV's brakes can easily hold it back. On the freeway where you need help, use the ICE's throttle to push your EV and control your speed. Obviously, you'd limit the ICE throttle to restrict how much push the trailer can produce. 100-200 pounds thrust should be all you'd need for a normal EV, and that isn't enough to cause braking or handling problems with a 3000 lbs EV. And, you certainly wouldn't use it down hills or in slippery conditions. -- The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
Here is JB Straubel's pusher version 2, the front clip of a VW Rabbit (any automatic geared small engine front wheel drive car will do) as you can still find it in the Internet archive: <https://web.archive.org/web/20040401155738/http://www.jstraubel.com/EVp usher/EVpusher2.htm> Note - if the above link is broken, simply past the two parts or go to archive.org, enter jstraubel.com and on his homepage select Pusher 2. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:15 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Bob, You don't understand - the pusher is a device that you build yourself for about $500 by getting a good-running Salvage (rear end crashed for example) and cutting off everything behind the A-pillar, fixing the front wheel steering into straight-ahead (lock steering) and put some cover in place over the dash, as well as mounting a fuel tank and pump somewhere, for example in the footwell. Then weld on a tow hitch, wire up the remote start and accelerator control and off you go. At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to the pusher don't work) http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14=1255=110 Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:14 PM To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Cor van de Water Subject: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 The cost of the pusher (in the small quantities that anyone would want to buy them) would be more than the cost of a spare car! And it you drag it along most places you go, you'llbe cutting your mileage by far more than it is worth. Just towing a tiny 4'x4' utility trailer (solar panels) behind my prius drops the mileage form 50 down to 35 MPG. A pusher is just a crutch for delaying the ievitable loss of a gas station on every corner. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:17 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. > However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. Here's a related idea that I keep thinking about: A few people have built "pusher" trailers. The trailer is really the front clip of a front-wheel drive car, complete with ICE, automatic transmission, and transaxle. The throttle and ignition switch are remoted so they can be operated from the driver's seat. To take a long trip with your EV, connect the pusher trailer to a trailer hitch. Start the ICE, put it in Drive, and go! When the ICE is idling, it just creeps forward, like any car with an automatic transmission. Your EV's brakes can easily hold it back. On the freeway where you need help, use the ICE's throttle to push your EV and control your speed. Obviously, you'd limit the ICE throttle to restrict how much push the trailer can produce. 100-200 pounds thrust should be all you'd need for a normal EV, and that isn't enough to cause braking or handling problems with a
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
Bob, You don't understand - the pusher is a device that you build yourself for about $500 by getting a good-running Salvage (rear end crashed for example) and cutting off everything behind the A-pillar, fixing the front wheel steering into straight-ahead (lock steering) and put some cover in place over the dash, as well as mounting a fuel tank and pump somewhere, for example in the footwell. Then weld on a tow hitch, wire up the remote start and accelerator control and off you go. At least, that is how Mr Straubel and a couple others have done it... http://www.evalbum.com/223 (unfortunately the jstraubel.com domain is terminated, so the links to the pusher don't work) http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14=1255=110 Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruni...@usna.edu] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:14 PM To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Cor van de Water Subject: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 The cost of the pusher (in the small quantities that anyone would want to buy them) would be more than the cost of a spare car! And it you drag it along most places you go, you'llbe cutting your mileage by far more than it is worth. Just towing a tiny 4'x4' utility trailer (solar panels) behind my prius drops the mileage form 50 down to 35 MPG. A pusher is just a crutch for delaying the ievitable loss of a gas station on every corner. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:17 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. > However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. Here's a related idea that I keep thinking about: A few people have built "pusher" trailers. The trailer is really the front clip of a front-wheel drive car, complete with ICE, automatic transmission, and transaxle. The throttle and ignition switch are remoted so they can be operated from the driver's seat. To take a long trip with your EV, connect the pusher trailer to a trailer hitch. Start the ICE, put it in Drive, and go! When the ICE is idling, it just creeps forward, like any car with an automatic transmission. Your EV's brakes can easily hold it back. On the freeway where you need help, use the ICE's throttle to push your EV and control your speed. Obviously, you'd limit the ICE throttle to restrict how much push the trailer can produce. 100-200 pounds thrust should be all you'd need for a normal EV, and that isn't enough to cause braking or handling problems with a 3000 lbs EV. And, you certainly wouldn't use it down hills or in slippery conditions. -- The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
I have to say that I agree with Lee. While the possibility of a scam is there, you might want to proceed with caution. I've had many people inquire after my products that didn't seem to know anything about their OEM EV or conversions that they were getting or had. After a couple emails we worked out what they really needed and went on from there. But I must say I've had my share of people wanting 20 sets of Plug and cords and 20 units of my TucsonEV-SE shipped to some foreign country by their own shipper and they'd pay me with a check on another company name Rush Dougherty www.TucsonEV.com > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:37 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay > > EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > >> I'm curious if this is normal. > > > > No, it's not. This guy is trying to rip you off. This sounds like > > the fake money order / cashier's check scam... I suggest that you cancel the transaction. > > I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. He may be a scammer; but he may also just be a > clueless individual. > > I'd tell him something like, "Thanks for your interest in my car. I'd like to sell it to you, but your > responses so far have sounded like some of the fake money order / bad check scams. > Please get back to me, so we can work out a mutually satisfactory way to close the deal." > > -- > The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your > ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
The cost of the pusher (in the small quantities that anyone would want to buy them) would be more than the cost of a spare car! And it you drag it along most places you go, you'llbe cutting your mileage by far more than it is worth. Just towing a tiny 4'x4' utility trailer (solar panels) behind my prius drops the mileage form 50 down to 35 MPG. A pusher is just a crutch for delaying the ievitable loss of a gas station on every corner. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:17 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121 Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. > However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. Here's a related idea that I keep thinking about: A few people have built "pusher" trailers. The trailer is really the front clip of a front-wheel drive car, complete with ICE, automatic transmission, and transaxle. The throttle and ignition switch are remoted so they can be operated from the driver's seat. To take a long trip with your EV, connect the pusher trailer to a trailer hitch. Start the ICE, put it in Drive, and go! When the ICE is idling, it just creeps forward, like any car with an automatic transmission. Your EV's brakes can easily hold it back. On the freeway where you need help, use the ICE's throttle to push your EV and control your speed. Obviously, you'd limit the ICE throttle to restrict how much push the trailer can produce. 100-200 pounds thrust should be all you'd need for a normal EV, and that isn't enough to cause braking or handling problems with a 3000 lbs EV. And, you certainly wouldn't use it down hills or in slippery conditions. -- The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I'm curious if this is normal. No, it's not. This guy is trying to rip you off. This sounds like the fake money order / cashier's check scam... I suggest that you cancel the transaction. I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. He may be a scammer; but he may also just be a clueless individual. I'd tell him something like, "Thanks for your interest in my car. I'd like to sell it to you, but your responses so far have sounded like some of the fake money order / bad check scams. Please get back to me, so we can work out a mutually satisfactory way to close the deal." -- The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
If Mark has specified only payment via Paypal and the buyer does not pay by Paypal then Mark can cancel the deal for non-payment. If the buyer does send a (valid) check anyways, it is simple to not risk anything if it is not a guaranteed payment and simply destroy the check, take a picture of the destroyed check just in case and leave it at that. If his bank confirms that he has received a guaranteed form of payment, then it is his choice to accept it and move forward, once he is 100% sure that he has been paid. He can follow his own timeline, for example wait 2-3 weeks before releasing the car, since the buyer did not follow his required payment method. If the buyer becomes very anxious that is an extra red flag. Canceling the transaction and reporting the buyer is probably the safest approach. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:50 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay On 21 Nov 2016 at 13:21, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > I'm curious if this is normal. On 21 Nov 2016 at 13:21, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > I'm curious if this is normal. No, it's not. This guy is trying to rip you off. This sounds like the fake money order / cashier's check scam. Paste into browser: v.gd/3lpdyH I suggest that you cancel the transaction. Paste into browser: pages.ebay.com/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html You should also report this buyer to Ebay. Paste into browser: pages.ebay.com/help/buy/report-trading.html Unfortunately for sellers, Ebay mostly tends to side with the buyer (which has driven many sellers away in recent years). Your scammer may try to use Ebay against you by opening a non-delivery case. I suggest you move quickly in hopes of preventing this. But I'm not an expert on Ebay selling, far from it, so I hope that those folks who have more experience will add to this. It's something we all face when trying to sell EVs. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
Yup, sounds like a scam so if you want to proceed first make sure the cheque clears before you ship. The typical additional part is they send a cheque for more than the amount saying the extra is for shipping or some such and ask that you refund them the difference, by cheque or money order. Unfortunately often the cheque is drawn on a stolen account that the owner may not realize has been compromised so it can clear and appear good for sometimes a long time before the money is suddenly reversed and you are left dangling. I worked this scam with a friend who was selling a wheel chair on craigslist and the guy sent a cheque for more than the value, wanted the chair sent to a third party along with the difference after shipping costs. A couple of phone calls and it was obvious that it was a scam. We reported it to the police gave them the cheque and led the guy on for a bit before we stopped the communications. Never did find out what the resolution was. So be careful. Lawrence > On Nov 21, 2016, at 07:02, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > There are some red flags that you are often warned about, such as using > a check or money order from abroad that appears legit on first sight, > but two or 3 weeks later your bank calls that the piece of paper is > worthless. > The most often occurring form of that scam was that they sent you a too > large payment, to cover the cost of shipment and honest sellers would > send the buyers a personal check or cash for the overage. So, after all > was said and done, they were out of their car, and shipping costs and > whatever cash or check they sent to the buyer, only left with a > worthless piece of paper. > So, if the type of payment you receive is not a guaranteed type of > payment (please ask your bank to confirm!) then you must wait a > *loong* time before even shipping your vehicle! > > That said, it is possible that a (foreign?) buyer absolutely wants to > have a nice looking Ghia and then 3 grand is a bargain, EV or not. So, > it is possible that it simply is someone with more money than > realization of what an EV is, he simply wants a nice looking car and > someone will take care that it runs > I hope you find out soon what the intent of the buyer is! > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hanson via > EV > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:22 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay > > Hi folks > I'm curious if this is normal. I just sold my Ghia evalbum.com/4346 on > EBay for $3335. The guy doesn't ask anything about EV operation when > I've sent a fair amount of info. I just get misspelled notifications > like the transporters will be soon pick up. Last night I was requested > to give my pay pal account number which I replied with my email address > was all he needed to pay or click on the ad to pay by PayPal. Now he > says he's mailing a bank check instead. When I call his number I just > get some breathing and then hung up several times. He doesn't appear to > be an EV enthusiast but hopefully the check will be ok. > I'm buying a Chevy Spark EV in Maryland Friday to go along with my Leaf. > > Best regards > Mark in Roanoke Va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3579 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161121/e5ae5926/attachment.bin> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
On 21 Nov 2016 at 13:21, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > I'm curious if this is normal. On 21 Nov 2016 at 13:21, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > I'm curious if this is normal. No, it's not. This guy is trying to rip you off. This sounds like the fake money order / cashier's check scam. Paste into browser: v.gd/3lpdyH I suggest that you cancel the transaction. Paste into browser: pages.ebay.com/help/sell/cancel-transaction-process.html You should also report this buyer to Ebay. Paste into browser: pages.ebay.com/help/buy/report-trading.html Unfortunately for sellers, Ebay mostly tends to side with the buyer (which has driven many sellers away in recent years). Your scammer may try to use Ebay against you by opening a non-delivery case. I suggest you move quickly in hopes of preventing this. But I'm not an expert on Ebay selling, far from it, so I hope that those folks who have more experience will add to this. It's something we all face when trying to sell EVs. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] PM motor question
Alan, what is the model number of the Gast pump? I assume the voltage is 12VDC?
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OK you motor gurus. My Gast vacuum pump quit working.
Upon disassembly, I found the two curved ceramic field magnets were
detached from the motor housing.
Needless to say, the motor would not turn with the magnets stuck to the
rotor.
I cannot tell by looking at the inside of the motor housing exactly
where the magnets were positioned.
I am going to guess that it makes a difference where the magnets are
positioned in relationship to where the motor brushes are positioned.
So, if a line is drawn through the center of the two diametrically
opposed field magnets, should a line drawn between the opposed
brushes be inline or perpendicular to the line through the magnets?
Thanks for your help, Al
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time. However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead. Here's a related idea that I keep thinking about: A few people have built "pusher" trailers. The trailer is really the front clip of a front-wheel drive car, complete with ICE, automatic transmission, and transaxle. The throttle and ignition switch are remoted so they can be operated from the driver's seat. To take a long trip with your EV, connect the pusher trailer to a trailer hitch. Start the ICE, put it in Drive, and go! When the ICE is idling, it just creeps forward, like any car with an automatic transmission. Your EV's brakes can easily hold it back. On the freeway where you need help, use the ICE's throttle to push your EV and control your speed. Obviously, you'd limit the ICE throttle to restrict how much push the trailer can produce. 100-200 pounds thrust should be all you'd need for a normal EV, and that isn't enough to cause braking or handling problems with a 3000 lbs EV. And, you certainly wouldn't use it down hills or in slippery conditions. -- The problem in this business isn't to keep people from stealing your ideas: It's to *make* them steal your ideas! -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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/"Chart 63 says they have known reserves for 150 years."/ Exxon Mobile has energy reserves for many years, that is true, but that doesn't mean they can maintain current production rates for that number of years. Production rate is what is important, not reserves. The production of oil is like a huge river constantly flowing to supply the power, energy per unit time, required to run the "labor saving" devices, like trucks and bulldozers, that enable our standard of living. The required flow is determined by the global population and "standard of living". Increasing either requires an increase in oil production, the flow of the river. A number like "150 years of reserves" usually is based on the current standard of living and global population, i.e. current usage rates, but these are both increasing exponentially as "undeveloped" countries become more developed, particularly China and India. Some people say that the population growth rate in the undeveloped countries is the problem, but around 20 people in a country with higher birth rates like Pakistan or Nigera use about as much oil as 1 person in the U.S., so actually our smaller population growth rate has a larger effect on oil consumption. /"He said that a mile down there's oil under every state in the union. They just haven't developed a good way to get it and it costs over a million dollars to drill that deep."/ Oil companies have been drilling much more than a mile below the sea floor in deep water in the GoM (Gulf of Mexico) for many years, which is much more difficult and expensive than drilling that depth on land. Those wells cost hundreds of millions. Why would they incur that extra cost if they could just drill to the same depth on land for much lower cost? Also, Exxon Mobil has had record spending on exploration for the past 5 years or so, but their new discoveries have been way down. They recently cut back on exploration for new oil fields for that reason, and have put more emphasis on natural gas. Why would that be the case if oil is so plentiful under the continental U.S.? /"The Bakkan field in North Dakota, for example, contains up to 500 billion barrels of oil, more than twice the known oil deposits of Saudi Arabia."/ It is well know that most of the "sweet spots", those offering higher production rates, in the Bakken have already been drilled. The "decline rate" (rate of production decline) in the Bakken is very high, with production from a well dropping by over 90% in 3 years on average. After 3 years most of those wells are "stripper wells" producing on the order of 10 barrels per day. That, and the higher cost of fracking, is why production of "tight oil" is much more expensive than from conventional wells, many more wells have to be sunk to produce a given volume of oil. Production from these wells is not at all like conventional oil wells, and will be less attractive as they are forced to move to drilling in the less "sweet" spots of the fields. /"The oil under the sands of Saudi Arabia is far easier, and therefore less costly, to extract than the oil pocketed under rock beneath North Dakota."/ You have to drill through rock to reach all oil deposits, but conventional oil fields are typically in much more porous rock under salt domes which hold it in place. There is no need to "frac", fracture, the oil-containing rock. Just drilling down through the dome to penetrate the porous oil-containing rock is all that is required since the oil flows much more freely through that more porous rock due to the pressure on it from the rock above - producing the "gushers" of east Texas long ago. That is why "tight oil" is more expensive to produce. In response to low oil prices producers have found a number of ways to reduce costs, such as fracking multiple lines from a given drilling platform, but except for in the sweetest spots it is still more expensive to produce than conventional oil. Also keep in mind that typically less than 50% of OIP (oil in place) is recovered, even with EOR (enhanced oil recovery) techniques such as water or CO2 injection in conventional oil fields, so there will always be oil left in the ground, but that oil won't do us any good. Some have gone as high as 70% but that is not the norm. Companies have revisited older fields to squeeze more oil out with EOR techniques depending on the market price of oil. A bit like re-mining the "dumps" of old gold mines to extract a bit more when gold prices are high enough to make it economic. /"Most of the oil fields under the North American continent were discovered long ago. The Bakkan field, for example, was discovered back in 1951. The reason why we import oil from South America and the Middle East instead of producing our own right here is a matter of cost."/ Most of the known oil fields in the WORLD were discovered long ago ( see e.g. Hubbert’s Peak, The Impending World Oil Shortage by Kenneth S. Deffeyes who worked as a petroleum engineer at Exxon for
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161121
Regarding recharging while being towed: I have at some point (a couple years
ago) considered buying a Leaf in Los Angeles and partly driving, partly
flat-towing it back to the Bay Area. I already realized that you don't really
need to stop for charging if you use on-road regen charging while being towed
for part of the trip and driving the EV for other parts, starting with a fully
charged vehicle and if there is an overnight stop then that is also a natural
moment to get the EV recharged without taking extra recharge time.
However, I ended up with the need to transport the Leaf by myself earlier this
year, so I used a tow dolly all the way instead.
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Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
IT'S A SCAM! This happens to everyone with big ticket items on Ebay.! Do not get sucked in! You have to assume EVERYTHING is a SCAM unless you can PROVE to yourself otherwise. Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hanson via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:22 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay Hi folks I'm curious if this is normal. I just sold my Ghia evalbum.com/4346 on EBay for $3335. The guy doesn't ask anything about EV operation when I've sent a fair amount of info. I just get misspelled notifications like the transporters will be soon pick up. Last night I was requested to give my pay pal account number which I replied with my email address was all he needed to pay or click on the ad to pay by PayPal. Now he says he's mailing a bank check instead. When I call his number I just get some breathing and then hung up several times. He doesn't appear to be an EV enthusiast but hopefully the check will be ok. I'm buying a Chevy Spark EV in Maryland Friday to go along with my Leaf. Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-3-EV-Shown-Off-At-Employee-Party-New-Images-td4684576.html
EVLN: Tesla-3 EV Shown Off At Employee Party (New Images)
With regard to the silver Tesla Model 3 in question, it certainly is quite a
bit different looking than the Chevy Bolt EV that will be hitting the market
very soon, isn't it ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-s-staked-claim-to-produce-driverless-commercial-e-semi-trucks-in-2017-td4684575.html
EVLN: Tesla's staked claim to produce driverless commercial e-semi-trucks in
2017
"Platooning" Autonomous Vehicles are Coming to Michigan
Telsa has also staked a claim in the future of driverless trucking,
announcing plans in July to start producing all-electric semi trucks in
2017. “I think the role of ...
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EVLN: Tesla-X regen-charges a Model S by towing it (v)
A new video put together by YouTuber and Tesla owner Bjørn Nyland highlights
the ability for electric vehicles to convert kinetic energy into stored
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Schoch Scolds (rebukes) BMW Management For Falling Behind EV Competition
BMW AG's top labor representative scolded management for falling behind
rivals in the race ... slow to decide on investing in more electric models
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Montreal.ca installing 100 more to its 50 public EVSE
Montreal plans to create an electric-car charging network, Mayor Denis
Coderre ... 100 on-street recharging stations for electric vehicles by the
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Re: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
Hi Mark, There are some red flags that you are often warned about, such as using a check or money order from abroad that appears legit on first sight, but two or 3 weeks later your bank calls that the piece of paper is worthless. The most often occurring form of that scam was that they sent you a too large payment, to cover the cost of shipment and honest sellers would send the buyers a personal check or cash for the overage. So, after all was said and done, they were out of their car, and shipping costs and whatever cash or check they sent to the buyer, only left with a worthless piece of paper. So, if the type of payment you receive is not a guaranteed type of payment (please ask your bank to confirm!) then you must wait a *loong* time before even shipping your vehicle! That said, it is possible that a (foreign?) buyer absolutely wants to have a nice looking Ghia and then 3 grand is a bargain, EV or not. So, it is possible that it simply is someone with more money than realization of what an EV is, he simply wants a nice looking car and someone will take care that it runs I hope you find out soon what the intent of the buyer is! Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hanson via EV Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:22 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay Hi folks I'm curious if this is normal. I just sold my Ghia evalbum.com/4346 on EBay for $3335. The guy doesn't ask anything about EV operation when I've sent a fair amount of info. I just get misspelled notifications like the transporters will be soon pick up. Last night I was requested to give my pay pal account number which I replied with my email address was all he needed to pay or click on the ad to pay by PayPal. Now he says he's mailing a bank check instead. When I call his number I just get some breathing and then hung up several times. He doesn't appear to be an EV enthusiast but hopefully the check will be ok. I'm buying a Chevy Spark EV in Maryland Friday to go along with my Leaf. Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Selling an EV on EBay
Hi folks I'm curious if this is normal. I just sold my Ghia evalbum.com/4346 on EBay for $3335. The guy doesn't ask anything about EV operation when I've sent a fair amount of info. I just get misspelled notifications like the transporters will be soon pick up. Last night I was requested to give my pay pal account number which I replied with my email address was all he needed to pay or click on the ad to pay by PayPal. Now he says he's mailing a bank check instead. When I call his number I just get some breathing and then hung up several times. He doesn't appear to be an EV enthusiast but hopefully the check will be ok. I'm buying a Chevy Spark EV in Maryland Friday to go along with my Leaf. Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...
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