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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-12/bill-ford-says-the-family-business-fits-together-well-with-vw Bill Ford Says the Family Car Business Fits Together Well With VW By Keith Naughton, Christoph Rauwald March 12, 2019 VW CEO says companies in ‘very good talks’ on collaboration Automakers look to pair up on electric, self-driving vehicles [image] Bill Ford speaks at CERAWeek on March 12. Photographer: Aaron M. Sprecher/Bloomberg [audio flash] LISTEN TO ARTICLE 2:23 Ford Motor Co. and Volkswagen AG, which have been in talks to team up on electric and autonomous vehicles, make for good partners because both recognize the extent of the challenges ahead, according to Bill Ford, executive chairman of the U.S. automaker. “We fit together geographically really well, product line-wise, we fit together well,” Bill Ford, the great-grandson of founder Henry Ford, said Tuesday at the CERAWeek energy conference in Houston. “We both came to the same realization that as big as our balance sheets are, no company can do this alone.” Talks between Ford and VW are still at an early stage, Ford said, but there’s been promising progress made in building on the partnership the two companies solidified in January to jointly produce commercial vehicles. The U.S. and German automakers have established a framework for VW to invest in Ford’s autonomous vehicle partner Argo AI, people familiar with the negotiations have said. The companies also are considering joining forces on electric cars. “We’re really in the early days of exploring what the possibilities could be,” Ford said. “We have some clear ideas of where we want to go with it and they do, too.” VW Chief Executive Officer Herbert Diess said separately Tuesday that his company is in “very good talks” with Ford on expanding their commercial-vehicle collaboration to include autonomous vehicles. Ford also is considering using VW’s electric-car platform, dubbed MEB, in Europe and China, Diess said. “The supertanker is picking up speed,” Diess said in a speech at VW’s annual earnings press conference. “We are aligning Volkswagen with e-mobility like no other company in our industry.” Such a deal could help position Ford for a future where electric and self-driving cars will help address problems including urban congestion and pollution, Bill Ford said. He said he’s attempting to re-position the 115-year-old company for the dramatic changes that are coming, which could include selling fewer cars and developing new forms of mobility such as electric scooters. “I’d like Ford to be around another 100 years, and if that’s going to happen, it’s clear that we really have to branch off into new directions to try to solve some of these problems,” Ford said. “It’s hard because our current business model is providing all the earnings and cash flow that fund a lot of this change. So we have to do both really well. If we don’t make great cars and trucks today that people want, guess what? There is no tomorrow.” [© bloomberg.com] https://insideevs.com/bill-ford-says-vw-shared-electric-cars-likely/ Bill Ford Says Automaker Pairs Well With VW: Shared Electric Cars Likely 2019-03-13 Bill Ford — chairman of Ford Motor Company and great-grandson of Henry Ford — has spoken out about the potential for a partnership with Volkswagen. https://d2t6ms4cjod3h9.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/VW-Ridesharing-1.jpg ... https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+ford+vw [dated] https://gas2.org/2018/12/06/will-vw-build-its-new-electric-cars-in-ford-factories/ Will VW Build its New Electric Cars in Ford Factories? December 6, 2018 Volkswagen has doubled down on electric vehicles in the years following its multi-billion dollar “Dieselgate” emissions cheat... https://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/VW-ID-Crozz.png https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/109427576/ford-and-volkswagen-partnership-a-star-is-born-syndrome Ford and Volkswagen partnership: a Star is Born syndrome? Dec 19 2018 These days, Ford and Volkswagen are talking about a broad partnership in research ... Those discussions expanded to include shared investment in electric and autonomous vehicles, costly work that carmakers need to remain relevant as transportation changes over the next couple of decades. Then, the CEO of Volkswagen said this month the company may expand its U.S. production presence by building products in underutilised Ford factories ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-VW-wooing-Ford-s-pretty-sad-looking-compliance-EV-lineup-tp4691783.html EVLN: VW wooing Ford’s pretty sad looking compliance EV lineup VW Open To Sharing MEB Platform For Electric Vehicles With Ford Ford’s electric... Nov 06, 2018 (+more) Ford chief reassures workers about VW tie-up to build pickups, vans https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/.../ford-vw.../2548880002/ Jan 15, 2019 - Ford Motor Co. CEO Jim Hackett assured employees and investors Tuesday that the
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EVLN: Lost_Wages' (auton) e-shuttles 2use Boring's $55M tunnels
Las Vegas tourism board OKs transit system talks with Musk firm
People would be carried in electric vehicles moving through parallel
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Model X and Model 3 ...
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EVLN: Only 500e EVs 2020-on> (%must-offer L3,L2-6kW,r:250+mi%)
Next Fiat 500 to arrive in 2020 only as electric car, executive confirms
Mar 12, 2019 Are you ready for a new generation of the Fiat 500e electric
car? At the pace of the auto industry, and its five or six year cycles, it's
overdue. And from a report ...
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2019-03-13 New York has a lot to gain as Tesla continues to bring parity to
efficient fueling of electric cars with conventional gas-powered vehicles,
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The end of gas-powered cars is sending this Japanese spark plug maker to the
moon
March 7, 2019 ... NGK Spark Plugs’ ... ultra-thin ceramic insulator ...
expertise could be applied to ... develop solid-state batteries with their
ceramic techniques ...
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Rimac Will Crash Test Over $60 Million Worth Of C_Two Hypercars
March 13, 2019 The all-electric hypercar's official name will also be
announced at around that time. ... up to $63 million worth of cars could be
crashed when all is said and done.
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EVcrash: Tesla _Bus w/o injuries in S.Diego-CA
1 Hurt After Tesla, Prison Bus Collide in Downtown San Diego
March 13, 2019 A bus transporting prisoners and a Tesla were involved in a
crash in ... Video of the white, four-door electric car captured by KNSD
showed its front right bumper ...
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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122004_next-fiat-500-to-arrive-in-2020-only-as-electric-car-executive-confirms
Next Fiat 500 to arrive in 2020 only as electric car, executive confirms
Mar 12, 2019 Bengt Halvorson
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2013 Fiat 500e
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Are you ready for a new generation of the Fiat 500e electric car?
[image] 2013 Fiat 500e electric car, Los Angeles drive event, April 2013
At the pace of the auto industry, and its five or six year cycles, it’s
overdue. And from a report released last week, it could arrive around this
time next year.
Last week Fiat revealed an all-electric Concept Centoventi [
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121930_fiat-concept-centoventi-electric-car-opens-mopar-toolbox-looks-beyond-500e
], which envisioned a future EV that would offer a lot more customization
potential.
Fiat in the U.S. could not reveal any more information about the Centoventi
or its production intent, saying it’s just a concept. But FCA chief
marketing officer Olivier François told Top Gear something quite different:
that it previews the strategy behind an all-new Fiat 500e due just a year
from now—one that will be electric-only.
The current, front-wheel-drive Fiat 500e, which has already been around for
seven model years, is built on a design that was introduced to Europe in
2007 (and then the U.S. in 2011), and hasn’t changed much at all along the
way.
Today the 500e offers 84 miles of EPA-rated range—actually 3 miles less than
it did when it was introduced for the 2013 model year.
Since the beginning, though, we’ve noted that this model is generous on
real-world range, and at a time when some of the other affordable electric
vehicles were caught up in leaves and twigs and gamification, the 500e
seemed to have been engineered by people who understood that EVs needed to
put their best foot forward in driving dynamics, emphasizing the perky side
of going electric.
That electric-only claim deserves a big asterisk. In could soon become a
familiar theme, the Fiat 500 will have all-new underpinnings in electric
form, while gasoline versions will continue indefinitely on the existing
platform, with minor updates to come.
Porsche, for instance, is building the next generation of its Macan SUV only
as a fully electric model. The current gasoline Porsche Macan will continue
for an undisclosed time, although with shared production space at Leipzig it
may only amount to a year or two.
[image] 2011 Fiat 500 launch event at the 2010 Los Angeles Auto Show,
November 2010
Francois also said that the finished, next-generation 500e will “be very
true to the spirit of the original 500”—a nod that Top Gear took to mean
Fiat is likely looking to move the 500e to rear-wheel drive, like the
original.
The often-repeated (for good reason) reality check from the late CEO Sergio
Marchionne—that the company loses about $10,000 on each 500e it makes—likely
weighs heavily on the carmaker's decision. To aim for the premium price
François suggested, the new production model will have something more like a
400-km (248-mile) range rather than a 200-km (124-mile) one, and perhaps not
be as utilitarian as the concept.
With that, the lower price of batteries still falling quite rapidly, and a
focus toward the performance side of the 500, perhaps Fiat can get out of
the red and still win some more hearts for electric cars next year.
[© greencarreports.com]
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=fiat+500e+charging+problems
8 Complaints: 2015 Fiat 500e Electrical System Problems ... Fiat 500e won't
charge -- bricked? ... Third Recall For Fiat 500e: 5,600 Electric Cars To Be
Checked ...
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The end of gas-powered cars is sending this Japanese spark plug maker to the
moon
March 7, 2019 ... NGK Spark Plugs’ ... ultra-thin ceramic insulator ...
expertise could be applied to ... develop solid-state batteries with their
ceramic techniques ...
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Las Vegas tourism board OKs transit system talks with Musk firm
Musk boring
March 12, 2019 Regina Garcia Cano AP
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The Boring Company via AP
This undated conceptual drawing provided Elon Musk’s The Boring Company
shows a high-occupancy Autonomous Electric Vehicle (AEV) that would run in a
tunnel between exhibition halls at the Las Vegas Convention Center proposed
for Las Vegas
]
A company backed by tech billionaire Elon Musk moved a step closer Tuesday
to building tunnels for an express transit system at a massive Las Vegas
convention center despite some local opposition.
The board of directors of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority
voted to authorize contract negotiations with the Musk-backed enterprise The
Boring Company.
Authority staff and the company will now develop a detailed design and
negotiate the terms of a contract. The project is expected to cost between
$35 million and $55 million. The company would pay the cost up front and be
reimbursed once the project is completed.
Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman, a member of the board, voted against the
proposal.
She expressed concerns that the company was "exploratory at this time and we
are considering handing over the reins of our most important industry." She
said she wanted a further briefing on the project.
The authority expects the transit system to have three or four stations,
each situated at entrances to the convention center's halls. People would be
carried in electric vehicles moving through parallel tunnels, each running
in one direction.
The fleet could include Tesla's Model X and Model 3 and a vehicle with
capacity for about 16 people — all manufactured by Musk. All the vehicles
would be fully autonomous, meaning they won't have backup drivers, and would
move at speeds of up to 50 mph.
The system of just over a mile long is expected to debut by January 2021.
The convention center hosts over 1 million people a year. Depending on the
size of the stations, 4,400 to 11,000 people could use the system every
hour.
Authority president and CEO Steve Hill said the agency expects to return to
the board with a full design and proposed contract by June.
Musk's dream of an express tunnel transit system has encountered skeptics
and setbacks in other cities. The Boring Company canceled plans in November
for a test tunnel in the Los Angeles area after a neighborhood group filed a
lawsuit.
Its project to move people from downtown Chicago to O'Hare International
Airport appears to be in jeopardy after the city's mayoral candidates
expressed opposition.
The company in December unveiled a test tunnel built under a Los Angeles
suburb, allowing reporters and guests to take rides.
Hill told the board other transportation plans that the authority received
as part of a request for proposals are unaffordable and "somewhat
unsightly." A board member expressed skepticism over the low cost estimate,
saying boring tunnels elsewhere can cost $750 million per mile.
"The cheapest bid isn't always the best because you get what you paid for,"
said councilwoman Michele Fiore, who sought to postpone the vote.
The Boring Company president Steve Davis last week told The Associated Press
the company has been able to reduce costs by eliminating a traditional step
in the tunneling process. The company converts the dirt that would normally
be taken to landfills into bricks.
"If you can take that dirt, and convert it to bricks and give them away,
which is pretty much what we do right now, you just reduced the cost of
tunneling by 15 to 20 percent," he said. "If you can sell them for even 12
or 13 cents apiece, which is less than what a brick would cost at Home
Depot, you can pretty much take the cost of tunnel almost down to zero. You
can really make it unbelievably inexpensive."
[© lasvegassun.com]
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EVLN: E-Trio converts Maruti Dzire into EVs.in (v)
Regular Maruti Dzire converted into an electric car: How it’s done,
EXPLAINED
March 11, 2019 Electric cars will likely be one of the most common modes of
transportation in the future. While the vehicles powered by Internal
Combustion Engines (ICE) are ...
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EVLN: MG ZS Electric-SUV> Fall Release
MG Is Going Electric With New Compact SUV Slated For Release In The Fall
March 11th, 2019 Across Europe, cities are banning or planning to ban
combustion vehicles from city centers. The electric MG insulates buyers from
the risk of buying a vehicle ...
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2019/03/ZS_LIFESTYLEDEANSMITH001.jpg
+
https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/03/12/toyota-losing-electric-car-race-pretends-hybrids-better
Toyota Is Losing the Electric Car Race, So It Pretends Hybrids Are Better
March 12, 2019 There are at least 12 car companies currently selling an
all-electric vehicle in the United States, and Toyota isn't one of them ...
Toyota's Conservative Strategy Twisted to Bash Electric Cars ... and bet on
fuel cells in the long term is the reason that it isn't currently producing
any electric cars ... (tmc pushing their fcv on the moon)
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/toyota-s-moon-rover-concept-high-tech-six-wheeled-lunar-ncna982956
...
(tmc anti-ev hype targeting dangerously-air-polluted India)
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Toyota Says Selling Full-Electric Vehicles Is Less Eco-Friendly
March 11, 2019 ... Toyota, which currently doesn't sell a fully-electric
vehicle in the US, believes electric vehicles are actually less eco-friendly
than hybrids ...
($250 liftaircraft.com Hexa e-VTOL rides Austin-TX
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... In Texas, the chief executive of LIFT Aircraft says his start-up’s
electric-powered vertical-takeoff-and-landing aircraft, the Hexa, plans to
begin offering 15-minute flights across a lake outside Austin this year for
$249 a pop ...
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Circumvent ADA, KOLs: tesla close-stores,online-only (v)
KOLs, an abbreviation for "Key Opinion Leaders," are a growing presence in
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https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/11/mg-is-going-electric-with-new-compact-suv-slated-for-release-in-the-fall/
MG Is Going Electric With New Compact SUV Slated For Release In The Fall
March 11th, 2019 Kyle Field
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]
The classic British car brand has enjoyed a cult-like following for decades,
and the move to electrified MGs promises to amplify that following. The
company will start its charge into the electrified future with a fully
electric build of the MG ZS compact SUV, which will enter the market to
compete with the likes of the Hyundai Kona EV, the Kia Niro EV, and the
Tesla Model Y.
MG Motor UK is planning a coming out party for its newest family member in
the fall. The five-seater is an electrified arrow aimed straight at the
heart of the mass market with its full-sized rear storage area and all the
amenities drivers are looking for in a compact SUV.
“With the launch of our MG ZS electric SUV we’re delighted to be entering
the electric car market at such an exciting time,” Daniel Gregorious, Head
of Sales & Marketing at MG, said. MG is clearly looking to build on the
early success of the pollution-spewing version with a cleaner option that
puts an eye to the future of transportation. Across Europe, cities are
banning or planning to ban combustion vehicles from city centers. The
electric MG insulates buyers from the risk of buying a vehicle today that
they may not be able to take into the city in just a few years time.
MG is being a bit shy on the details of the new vehicle, with the full flood
of specs and pricing set to be revealed closer to the launch later this
year. The new MG ZS electric SUV looks to be a beautiful entry into the
compact electric SUV market for MG and could do extremely well if the brand
is truly committed to not just bringing it to market, but to actually being
a serious competitor with its electric vehicles. That means volume and
availability, and time will tell if MG can deliver on those two.
[© cleantechnica.com]
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=MG+Electric
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/mg-motor-india-to-launch-its-first-electric-suv-in-phased-manner-2006044
MG Motor India To Launch Its First Electric SUV In Phased Manner
Mar 11, 2019 The company further shared that its electric vehicles in the
country would have over-the-air (OTA) technology and would go over 250 km in
a single charge ...
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/mg-motors-to-launch-electric-suv-in-india-by-2020-1932135
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/03/13/california-company-says-its-building-worlds-first-flying-motorcycle/?noredirect=on_term=.c34e7fcc
... In Texas, the chief executive of LIFT Aircraft says his start-up’s
electric-powered vertical-takeoff-and-landing aircraft, the Hexa, plans to
begin offering 15-minute flights across a lake outside Austin this year for
$249 a pop ...
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https://www.cartoq.com/maruti-dzire-electric-car-conversion/ Regular Maruti Dzire converted into an electric car: How it’s done, EXPLAINED March 11, 2019 Shantonil Nag [images https://www.cartoq.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/maruti-dzire-electric-etrio-featured-768x399.jpg https://www.cartoq.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/regular-car-to-electric-car-conversion.jpg video https://youtu.be/vSK8bKSes7k Maruti Suzuki Wagnor electric conversion kit feat CREATIVE SCIENCE ] Electric cars will likely be one of the most common modes of transportation in the future. While the vehicles powered by Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) are already facing a limit of operation in the National Capital Territory of India, the government is pushing new schemes that will allow easy ownership of the electric vehicles in the future. E-Trio, a Telangana-based start-up is currently offering kits that can convert regular ICE-powered vehicles to electric ones. E-Trio offers a conversion kit, which is certified by Automotive Researched Authority of India (ARAI). Currently, only Maruti Suzuki Alto, Maruti Suzuki WagonR and Maruti Suzuki Dzire vehicles can be converted using the kits, but E-Trio has already applied for the certification of the new kits of popular cars including the Ritz, Indica, Santro and more. The brand offers different kits of the vehicles and range can vary depending on the size of the vehicle. For example, an electrified Maruti Suzuki Alto will offer a maximum range of around 150 km while the Maruti Suzuki Dzire offers a range of 180 km on a single charge. The brand is also planning to increase the total range of the of the vehicle to about 230 km. Maruti Dzire Electric Etrio Featured The total cost of the conversion is around Rs. 3.5 lakh plus the donor vehicle, which has to be given by the owner. If the customer wants a fast charging facility, an additional Rs. 2 lakh will be charged from the customer. With regular charging, it will take around 4-5 hours to charge a regular hatchback size car while the sedan will take around seven hours to completely juice up. It gets an automatic cut-off facility that saves the battery from overcharging. As these are government approved kits, installing them will not break any rule or make them illegal on the road. E-Trio also takes charge of RC endorsement, where the details of the conversion are added to the original RC of the vehicle and changing the insurance type of the vehicle. The E-Trio converted electric vehicles are easy to maintain too. The ICE-powered vehicles need regular service and maintenance to ensure that they run in optimum condition. But that’s not the case with electric vehicles. With fewer moving parts, EVs need very less maintenance. Regular Car To Electric Car Conversion The regular engine is removed in the conversion process and is replaced with an electric motor and lithium-phosphate batteries. The fuel filling space gets electric charging socket. The batteries are currently sourced from North Korea but the brand is expected to assemble the battery packs at the Telangana facility soon. The details of the Maruti Suzuki Dzire are not available, but the Maruti Suzuki WagonR E-Trio kit adds a 96V battery pack, which installed under the vehicle. This information is provided by TECH PRASHANT, who also drove the converted vehicle around. It ensures that the space inside the vehicle is not used up. On the inside, the vehicle gets a new instrument cluster that shows the battery level and speedometer. The vehicle gets the automatic transmission and features like AC, music system and other things. To get the vehicle converted, one can get in touch with E-Trio directly. They are currently serving the southern part of the country, but the services will expand to the Northern part of the country soon. When can you buy it? Currently, the company is only targetting the cab fleet owners due to ease of installations, but by next year, private car buyers will be able to install the kit too. Currently, E-Trio is only working with commercial vehicles. [© cartoq.com] ... http://www.autoalive.co.in/features/e-trio-electric-vehicle-roll-out-starts/5174/?fbclid=IwAR0-K2Hg6o4nw2jifQ33R8QwyZnm0SF4W6ZhXGXO1brcsNihhk8nY-pbLx0 ... https://www.google.com/search?q=%22E-Trio%22+india + https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/03/12/toyota-losing-electric-car-race-pretends-hybrids-better Toyota Is Losing the Electric Car Race, So It Pretends Hybrids Are Better March 12, 2019 There are at least 12 car companies currently selling an all-electric vehicle in the United States, and Toyota isn't one of them ... Toyota's Conservative Strategy Twisted to Bash Electric Cars ... and bet on fuel cells in the long term is the reason that it isn't currently producing any electric cars ... (tmc pushing their fcv on the moon) https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/toyota-s-moon-rover-concept-high-tech-six-wheeled-lunar-ncna982956 ... (tmc anti-ev hype targeting dangerously-air-polluted
[EVDL] EVcrash: Tesla _Bus w/o injuries in S.Diego-CA
https://ktla.com/2019/03/13/1-hurt-after-tesla-prison-bus-collide-in-downtown-san-diego/
1 Hurt After Tesla, Prison Bus Collide in Downtown San Diego
March 13, 2019 Erika Martin
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A San Diego Sheriff's Department bus is seen after it was involved in a
crash with a Tesla in downtown San Diego on March 13, 2019. (Credit: KSWB)
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#breaking Tesla vs prison bus EB A between 5th and 6th. A is closed.
Paramedics checking on prisoners. No apparent injuries so far. @fox5sandiego
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A bus transporting prisoners and a Tesla were involved in a crash in
downtown San Diego Wednesday afternoon, according to KTLA sister station
KSWB in San Diego.
Traffic was blocked after the vehicles collided around 3 p.m. at the
intersection of Sixth Avenue and A Street.
The heavily trafficked area, near the 5 Freeway and Highway 163, fully
reopened after about an hour, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported.
About 15 inmates were aboard the bus at the time, and one was injured, fire
officials told KSWB.
There was no immediate word on whether the Tesla had its autopilot feature
engaged.
Video of the white, four-door electric car captured by KNSD showed its front
right bumper and fender were scraped but the vehicle had not sustained
significant damage.
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March 13, 2019 The all-electric hypercar's official name will also be
announced at around that time. ... up to $63 million worth of cars could be
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Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
Rated Capacity” is defined in the UN Model Regulations as follows: Rated capacity means the capacity, in ampere-hours, of a cell or battery as measured by subjecting it to a load, temperature and voltage cut-off point specified by the manufacturer. You need to know how the manufacturer tested them and use the same process to see if they do as claimed. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I think it would be better to measure at a higher amp rating if possible. > (Make your test go faster, and more accurately model the true draw on the > battery under load). > > How many amps will the batteries see under your particular usage scenario? If > you can replicate that same amp draw (either with lots of lights, a big > resistor in a bucket of water or whatever) it would probably be the best > test for your situation. (Plus, if the amp draw is higher, the precision of > the amp meter would matter less) > > Jay > >> On 3/13/19 3:38 PM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: >> Thanks guys- never thought of this, I have a similar unit in my boat >> already. I typically use it just for monitoring amp output and volts. I >> have two throttles on my boat, a spring loaded Curtis-PB6 which I use for >> docking/ maneuvering and a 5k knob style pot that I switch over for >> cruise control, set the pot for desired amps/speed off of the gauge. I'm >> not sure if it will accurately pick up a small 1 amp load as it is rated >> for up to 400 amps. Anyone share what they used for a test load- a >> resister or a bulb? I assuming around 1 amp (12 watts) will be closest to >> measuring true a/h readings. Given that these lithiums only charge to 12.6 >> volts means my cut-off voltage will likely be closer to the stated BMS >> cut-off, somewhere between 9-10 volts or when the voltage starts sharply >> falling off? >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV >> wrote: >>> On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >>>> Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and >>>> currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways >>>> and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I >>>> found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price >>>> range BTW. >>> >>> I use this one: >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 >>> >>> has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for >>> currents over 5A. >>> I've found it to be pretty accurate. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Try my Sensible Email package! >>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/3f48978c/attachment.html> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/9bd7bf1f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
To verify the factory AH rating you would measure at the same rate the factory does. That's probably the 20 hour rate (C20; that is, current at which they'll be flat in 20 hours). But you really don't (or shouldn't) care what the C20 capacity is. All that matters is how many AH (or WH) they'll deliver at the current your vehicle actually requires. I'm far from a lithium expert, but as I understand it, generally lithium batteries' capacity holds up better at higher currents, compared to lead batteries'. But IIRC you're looking at cheapies, so who knows. BTW, watch out for recycled (used) cells in those cheap batteries. As anyone who does business in China regularly will tell you, it's still mostly true that anything-goes-profit-above-all unrestricted capitalism and stifling authoritarianism pick each others' fleas there. Many Chinese businesses will cut any and every corner to sell cheaply with the highest possible profit. Especially with no US quality control, there's no telling what you'll get. You might get lucky. You might waste your money. You don't always get what you pay for, but you very seldom get what you DON'T pay for, and that goes triple for shady direct-import ¢r@p from China. Good luck. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
Also keep in mind that Lithium batteries, are not usually subject to Peukert's law. (Capacity loss due to high discharge rates is balanced by voltage gain due to self heating.) Jay On 3/13/19 4:38 PM, Dan Baker wrote: Good points Jay. I'm concerned with Peukert's law but if I could perform under similar loads it would mean more to me and less to stated ah. Both would be ideal I guess- one for me and one for the evdl list. But maybe I'm the last guy here running lead so results given back wouldn't be of much value here lol. Thanks Dan On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM Jay Summet via EV <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote: I think it would be better to measure at a higher amp rating if possible. (Make your test go faster, and more accurately model the true draw on the battery under load). How many amps will the batteries see under your particular usage scenario? If you can replicate that same amp draw (either with lots of lights, a big resistor in a bucket of water or whatever) it would probably be the best test for your situation. (Plus, if the amp draw is higher, the precision of the amp meter would matter less) Jay On 3/13/19 3:38 PM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > Thanks guys- never thought of this, I have a similar unit in my boat > already. I typically use it just for monitoring amp output and volts. I > have two throttles on my boat, a spring loaded Curtis-PB6 which I use for > docking/ maneuvering and a 5k knob style pot that I switch over for > cruise control, set the pot for desired amps/speed off of the gauge. I'm > not sure if it will accurately pick up a small 1 amp load as it is rated > for up to 400 amps. Anyone share what they used for a test load- a > resister or a bulb? I assuming around 1 amp (12 watts) will be closest to > measuring true a/h readings. Given that these lithiums only charge to 12.6 > volts means my cut-off voltage will likely be closer to the stated BMS > cut-off, somewhere between 9-10 volts or when the voltage starts sharply > falling off? > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> > wrote: > >> On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> said: >>> Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and >>> currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways >>> and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I >>> found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price >>> range BTW. >> >> I use this one: >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 >> >> has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for >> currents over 5A. >> I've found it to be pretty accurate. >> >> >> -- >> >> Try my Sensible Email package! >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/3f48978c/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
Good points Jay. I'm concerned with Peukert's law but if I could perform under similar loads it would mean more to me and less to stated ah. Both would be ideal I guess- one for me and one for the evdl list. But maybe I'm the last guy here running lead so results given back wouldn't be of much value here lol. Thanks Dan On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > I think it would be better to measure at a higher amp rating if > possible. (Make your test go faster, and more accurately model the true > draw on the battery under load). > > How many amps will the batteries see under your particular usage > scenario? If you can replicate that same amp draw (either with lots of > lights, a big resistor in a bucket of water or whatever) it would > probably be the best test for your situation. (Plus, if the amp draw is > higher, the precision of the amp meter would matter less) > > Jay > > On 3/13/19 3:38 PM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > > Thanks guys- never thought of this, I have a similar unit in my boat > > already. I typically use it just for monitoring amp output and volts. I > > have two throttles on my boat, a spring loaded Curtis-PB6 which I use for > > docking/ maneuvering and a 5k knob style pot that I switch over for > > cruise control, set the pot for desired amps/speed off of the gauge. I'm > > not sure if it will accurately pick up a small 1 amp load as it is rated > > for up to 400 amps. Anyone share what they used for a test load- a > > resister or a bulb? I assuming around 1 amp (12 watts) will be closest > to > > measuring true a/h readings. Given that these lithiums only charge to > 12.6 > > volts means my cut-off voltage will likely be closer to the stated BMS > > cut-off, somewhere between 9-10 volts or when the voltage starts sharply > > falling off? > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV > > wrote: > > > >> On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: > >>> Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and > >>> currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both > ways > >>> and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I > >>> found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price > >>> range BTW. > >> > >> I use this one: > >> > >> > https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 > >> > >> has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for > >> currents over 5A. > >> I've found it to be pretty accurate. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Try my Sensible Email package! > >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ > >> ___ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> > >> > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/3f48978c/attachment.html > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/eba97465/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
I think it would be better to measure at a higher amp rating if possible. (Make your test go faster, and more accurately model the true draw on the battery under load). How many amps will the batteries see under your particular usage scenario? If you can replicate that same amp draw (either with lots of lights, a big resistor in a bucket of water or whatever) it would probably be the best test for your situation. (Plus, if the amp draw is higher, the precision of the amp meter would matter less) Jay On 3/13/19 3:38 PM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: Thanks guys- never thought of this, I have a similar unit in my boat already. I typically use it just for monitoring amp output and volts. I have two throttles on my boat, a spring loaded Curtis-PB6 which I use for docking/ maneuvering and a 5k knob style pot that I switch over for cruise control, set the pot for desired amps/speed off of the gauge. I'm not sure if it will accurately pick up a small 1 amp load as it is rated for up to 400 amps. Anyone share what they used for a test load- a resister or a bulb? I assuming around 1 amp (12 watts) will be closest to measuring true a/h readings. Given that these lithiums only charge to 12.6 volts means my cut-off voltage will likely be closer to the stated BMS cut-off, somewhere between 9-10 volts or when the voltage starts sharply falling off? On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV wrote: On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price range BTW. I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for currents over 5A. I've found it to be pretty accurate. -- Try my Sensible Email package! https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/3f48978c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
Thanks guys- never thought of this, I have a similar unit in my boat already. I typically use it just for monitoring amp output and volts. I have two throttles on my boat, a spring loaded Curtis-PB6 which I use for docking/ maneuvering and a 5k knob style pot that I switch over for cruise control, set the pot for desired amps/speed off of the gauge. I'm not sure if it will accurately pick up a small 1 amp load as it is rated for up to 400 amps. Anyone share what they used for a test load- a resister or a bulb? I assuming around 1 amp (12 watts) will be closest to measuring true a/h readings. Given that these lithiums only charge to 12.6 volts means my cut-off voltage will likely be closer to the stated BMS cut-off, somewhere between 9-10 volts or when the voltage starts sharply falling off? On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: > >Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and > >currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways > >and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I > >found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price > >range BTW. > > I use this one: > > https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 > > has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for > currents over 5A. > I've found it to be pretty accurate. > > > -- > > Try my Sensible Email package! > https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/3f48978c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
On Wed Mar 13 11:06:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and >currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways >and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I >found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price >range BTW. I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/Programmable-Digital-meter-battery-monitoring/dp/B0043BDFYA/ref=sr_1_1 has 2 relay outputs, counts AH in both directions, uses a shunt for currents over 5A. I've found it to be pretty accurate. -- Try my Sensible Email package! https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
Yep Totally agree. I use several of these to monitor voltages and currents in my DIY EV. Nice thing about them is that they work both ways and will take into account regen and charging as well as discharge. I found them to be as accurate as shunt based meters at a similar price range BTW. Steve On 13/03/2019 17:39, Jay Summet via EV wrote: I would recommend buying an inexpensive amp hour / voltage / watt hour meter and using that to monitor the battery. (The one I use records the data it has logged when power is removed, so that when you apply power again the AH counter keeps the last reading. You can also buy them with relay outputs that allow you to program a "low voltage disconnect" to act like a very basic BMS protection circuit...but the low voltages is based off of the entrie pack, not the individual cells) This is the one I used on my last project: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B4CWKRJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8=1 (It does not have relay outputs, but does support up to 200AH with it's current sensor...which was important for my project). You may wish to choose one with a 100 AH or lower current sensor if you will be testing at lower currents, as the accuracy of the current sensors is usually a percentage of their max rating. (Also note that a shunt based current sensor is more accurate than these magnetic sensors that you put the wire through, but if you are trying to get a very accurate measure you probably are not buying $30 meters.) Jay On 3/13/19 10:21 AM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: I have been communicating with a couple sellers now on Aliexpress. Prices seem quite varied and reviews are mixed on these batteries. I suspect there isn't a lot of standards or testing on actual claimed capacities. I would like to try a 12v pack or 2 before buying more and perform some tests to verify capacity. Has anyone done this testing before? I assume the ah rating is based on a 1amp draw for x amount of claimed hours. So would I hook up a 12 watt load (LED bulbs?) and watch pack voltage till it drops till below 12v? Or would I measure it till the BMS protection cuts in - (9-10v?). Some reviewers have found packs listed at 100ah capacity to actually have only 30ah cells inside, lots of misinformation. Thank you, Dan On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: On 3/12/19 9:59 AM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: If I don't charge with my Sevcons and use the included individual 12v chargers, would there still be worry of connecting too many in series? Is it charging,discharging or both the issue when connecting in series? That depends entirely upon the battery model/manufacturer and the specs for that specific battery. If there is an issue, it would most likely be an issue for both charging and discharging. The thing to watch out for is if the batteries have a MOSFET (solid state switch) that is used to disconnect the battery when charging (done charging, voltage too high) or when discharging (voltage too low). In many cases, the MOSFETS are not rated for super high voltages. It may be twice the working voltage or much higher (24,36 or perhaps 60 volt rated). If your series pack goes above the MOSFET rating, it is likely to fail spectacularly (short closed in the worst case) when it is asked to disconnect the battery. If the batteries use relays or contractors, they may or may not be rated for higher series voltages, you need to verify. In short, the electronics that are making these batteries "drop in replacements" for a 12 volt battery are designed to work at that voltage level...with perhaps a 2x or 4x safety factor (24 to 48 volts), but the system was not designed for high voltage (72-144 or higher) to be seen by the battery. The BattleBorn batteries for example use 60V electronics, and are rated to be used in series up to a 48 volt system (They were designed this way to be a drop in replacement for 12, 24, 36 and 48 volt solar power systemsbut many "auto starter" or RV replacement batteries gave no thought about using more than one in series, or if they did, it was only up to a 24 or 48 volt level.) Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/9f300d12/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/lis
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
I would recommend buying an inexpensive amp hour / voltage / watt hour meter and using that to monitor the battery. (The one I use records the data it has logged when power is removed, so that when you apply power again the AH counter keeps the last reading. You can also buy them with relay outputs that allow you to program a "low voltage disconnect" to act like a very basic BMS protection circuit...but the low voltages is based off of the entrie pack, not the individual cells) This is the one I used on my last project: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B4CWKRJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8=1 (It does not have relay outputs, but does support up to 200AH with it's current sensor...which was important for my project). You may wish to choose one with a 100 AH or lower current sensor if you will be testing at lower currents, as the accuracy of the current sensors is usually a percentage of their max rating. (Also note that a shunt based current sensor is more accurate than these magnetic sensors that you put the wire through, but if you are trying to get a very accurate measure you probably are not buying $30 meters.) Jay On 3/13/19 10:21 AM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: I have been communicating with a couple sellers now on Aliexpress. Prices seem quite varied and reviews are mixed on these batteries. I suspect there isn't a lot of standards or testing on actual claimed capacities. I would like to try a 12v pack or 2 before buying more and perform some tests to verify capacity. Has anyone done this testing before? I assume the ah rating is based on a 1amp draw for x amount of claimed hours. So would I hook up a 12 watt load (LED bulbs?) and watch pack voltage till it drops till below 12v? Or would I measure it till the BMS protection cuts in - (9-10v?). Some reviewers have found packs listed at 100ah capacity to actually have only 30ah cells inside, lots of misinformation. Thank you, Dan On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: On 3/12/19 9:59 AM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: If I don't charge with my Sevcons and use the included individual 12v chargers, would there still be worry of connecting too many in series? Is it charging,discharging or both the issue when connecting in series? That depends entirely upon the battery model/manufacturer and the specs for that specific battery. If there is an issue, it would most likely be an issue for both charging and discharging. The thing to watch out for is if the batteries have a MOSFET (solid state switch) that is used to disconnect the battery when charging (done charging, voltage too high) or when discharging (voltage too low). In many cases, the MOSFETS are not rated for super high voltages. It may be twice the working voltage or much higher (24,36 or perhaps 60 volt rated). If your series pack goes above the MOSFET rating, it is likely to fail spectacularly (short closed in the worst case) when it is asked to disconnect the battery. If the batteries use relays or contractors, they may or may not be rated for higher series voltages, you need to verify. In short, the electronics that are making these batteries "drop in replacements" for a 12 volt battery are designed to work at that voltage level...with perhaps a 2x or 4x safety factor (24 to 48 volts), but the system was not designed for high voltage (72-144 or higher) to be seen by the battery. The BattleBorn batteries for example use 60V electronics, and are rated to be used in series up to a 48 volt system (They were designed this way to be a drop in replacement for 12, 24, 36 and 48 volt solar power systemsbut many "auto starter" or RV replacement batteries gave no thought about using more than one in series, or if they did, it was only up to a 24 or 48 volt level.) Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/9f300d12/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium
I have been communicating with a couple sellers now on Aliexpress. Prices seem quite varied and reviews are mixed on these batteries. I suspect there isn't a lot of standards or testing on actual claimed capacities. I would like to try a 12v pack or 2 before buying more and perform some tests to verify capacity. Has anyone done this testing before? I assume the ah rating is based on a 1amp draw for x amount of claimed hours. So would I hook up a 12 watt load (LED bulbs?) and watch pack voltage till it drops till below 12v? Or would I measure it till the BMS protection cuts in - (9-10v?). Some reviewers have found packs listed at 100ah capacity to actually have only 30ah cells inside, lots of misinformation. Thank you, Dan On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > > On 3/12/19 9:59 AM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > > > If I don't charge with my Sevcons and use the included individual 12v > > chargers, would there still be worry of connecting too many in series? > Is > > it charging,discharging or both the issue when connecting in series? > > That depends entirely upon the battery model/manufacturer and the specs > for that specific battery. If there is an issue, it would most likely > be an issue for both charging and discharging. > > The thing to watch out for is if the batteries have a MOSFET (solid > state switch) that is used to disconnect the battery when charging (done > charging, voltage too high) or when discharging (voltage too low). In > many cases, the MOSFETS are not rated for super high voltages. It may be > twice the working voltage or much higher (24,36 or perhaps 60 volt > rated). If your series pack goes above the MOSFET rating, it is likely > to fail spectacularly (short closed in the worst case) when it is asked > to disconnect the battery. > > If the batteries use relays or contractors, they may or may not be rated > for higher series voltages, you need to verify. > > In short, the electronics that are making these batteries "drop in > replacements" for a 12 volt battery are designed to work at that voltage > level...with perhaps a 2x or 4x safety factor (24 to 48 volts), but the > system was not designed for high voltage (72-144 or higher) to be seen > by the battery. > > The BattleBorn batteries for example use 60V electronics, and are rated > to be used in series up to a 48 volt system (They were designed this way > to be a drop in replacement for 12, 24, 36 and 48 volt solar power > systemsbut many "auto starter" or RV replacement batteries gave no > thought about using more than one in series, or if they did, it was only > up to a 24 or 48 volt level.) > > Jay > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/9f300d12/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only
I happen to prefer smaller cars, despite being pretty tall. I used to have a colleague who was 7 ft tall and still drove an average midsize car. The only thing he did when buying a different car, was to move his specially made driver seat to the new car. The joke with the extreme compact cars such as Fiat 500 and that Honda 600 and others, was that you would not get in or out the car, but you put it on (as a suit). My wife also prefers a small car for her daily criss-crossing all over Silicon Valley, she was very happy when I informed her that I had found a nice 2013 Prius C to replace her aging “Classic” 2002 Prius. She has looked at the Bolt and that would be the only vehicle that she would accept as EV, having both the range that she needs to complete a day of visits and is still small enough, but larger than she would like. Her dream is a Tesla Roadster, we don’t want to spend the budget on that. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 12:35 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EVDL Administrator Subject: Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only On 10 Mar 2019 at 21:18, jim--- via EV wrote: > However one of the big ones would be if I fit in the vehicle. I'm pretty much average sized by current US standards, and I can't think of a vehicle I have serious trouble getting into or out of. So I don't worry too much about that. I do understand that it's a problem for some folks. But every time I hear someone else say that he has trouble fitting into a vehicle, I think of the fellow I watched unfold himself from a Honda 600 coupe in 1973. He was at least half a head taller than I was - I was then already 6' 0" - and probably weighed at least 250lb, maybe closer to 280. I don't know what that says about either the driver or the car then, or about drivers and cars today, but I find it intriguing. It may be a moot point though, since it appears that the trend in EVs is toward SUVs and crossovers, just as in ICEVs. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190313/37cbb840/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
