[EVDL] 2020 Nissan Leaf SL+
Good afternoon folks. Have a question for you. Having a 2020 Leaf SL+ delivered by Carvana. Looks like a driver left it on while traveling from IL. subsequently draining both the traction battery and the house battery. They replaced the house battery and was able to charge HV battery. But the dash cluster did not boot up. Has anyone had this happen or know of a reset process? Thanks in advance. Al Swackhammer -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210324/8aeda1bb/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...
Good morning Bruce, Best of Holiday Wishes and I wish you success on your upcoming procedures. Al Swackhammer, former owner of the Electric Auto Union. > On December 12, 2018 at 6:33 PM brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > I don't have a lot of time to spend on a debate on this topic (usually I > just let people speak their minds, everyone is allowed an opinion). I have > to prep for upcoming thyroid surgery, and more failing eye sight > appointments (if I can't read nor type, I won't be able to post anymore - > time to pull my plug and make room/resources-available for the next human > generation). But, I will clarify my points: > > David's reply leaves me to think he and I may not be talking about the same > item. The item I posted > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/NPR-Fresh-Air-EV-program-yesterday-tp4692114p4692118.html > is not a full transcript of what was said on the .mp3 (audio) link > https://ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2018/12/20181210_fa_01.mp3 > the author's statements on the audio is what I disagree with. > > The audio interview goes into greater detail of the author's > https://www.google.com/search?q=Samuel+I.+Schwartz > comments in selling their book > https://www.google.com/search?q=No+One+at+the+Wheel > The author's statements: > > -avs most disruptive since motor cars > (NPR likes to use negative words, replace disruptive with change. Same as > rotary phones have changed to touch-tone, & change again to cell & tablets) > > -fewer repair shops, car dealerships > (There will always be a need for auto repair shops, and dealerships. Not > everyone will want to give up owning or driving their own car, thus accident > repairs, maintenance, + will happen) > > -safety (5min) > (NPR wording fears that the av will freeze-up/hang like an old MS-windows 95 > pc. NPR is so backward, when it comes to vehicles or technology. They still > remember the old-days of the blue-screen-of-death, etc.) > > -not sharing data with the public > (this is not true. All av players are sending out pr news-items I see > regularly of their progress, successes, issues, R status,+ > I do not post much on auton because not many on the evdl are interested, nor > want to bother with self-driving cars. But I see plenty of data of how > quickly avs will be for sale.) > > -the track record is not very good with avs (9min) > (not true, Tesla autopilot get too much coverage as an av when it isn't. But > waymo and other av tech companies are way ahead of Tesla and get nil > recognition of having a better auto ai, +) > > -One av making multiple trips to serve a family (11min) > (the NPR rep incorrectly uses the example of one av driving the father to > work, returns home, then drives the lids to school, return, then drives the > mother to work, returns just to sit idle for hours. IMO 1 car in a family is > ridiculous. It will be at least 2. Currently, ice sit in their work parking > for many hours each day, but NPR is not saying that is bad. All this NPR > wording is wack/slanted. > > -avs will be smaller (16min) > (cars will stay the SUV width with lots of interior space. So avs will not > shrink, especially if avs are going to be used as ride share to make money > while not in use by the owner. i.e.: user you expensive av with Uber when > you are at work, etc) > > -making lanes narrower (17min) > (when humans and avs share a hwy, the lanes have to stay the same lane > width. Humans do not follow the rules, even when not drunk or high) > > - NPR rep sez: I'm ending this interview so conflicted (18min) > (after 18min of the 35+min interview, it was no longer about avs so nothing > that would relate to EVs ... ) > > > As I said NPR has a long history of pumping out negative EV items. A search > of the evdl archive on NPR > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page=413529=Negative+NPR+Story=36 > brings up items where the NPR links are now dead (media outlets do not keep > old pages around forever). But, below are a few active ones: > > > https://www.npr.org/2011/11/21/142464818/can-electric-cars-help-automakers-reach-55-mpg > November 21, 2011 > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVangelism-tp4092072p4092683.html > I heard a story on NPR this morning that was pretty negative on EVs: ... > Nov 21, 2011 > ] > > > https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124012917 > February 23, 2010 > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-seva-NPR-Lithium-battery-glut-tp1567774.html > Feb 24, 2010] > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php
Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC445 Programming
I had a DMOC445 in the Electric Auto Union. I remember Beth Silverman sending me the firmware on line. Is it possible to copy another DMOC445 programing? > On October 28, 2018 at 11:23 AM EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > > From what I could tell, Solectria/Azure tended to be somewhat proprietary. > The Brusa inveters they sold in the early- to mid-1990s were pretty well > documented, but more through Brusa than Solectria. Again, those were my > impressions; others may have had different experiences. > > I got the distinct impression that with the UMOC and DMOC range, Solectria > and Azure intentionally further limited what their users could learn and do. > IIRC they even passworded the inverters' computer interface, which wasn't > done on the Brusa inverters. If you wanted your drive reconfigured, their > answer was usually "ship it to us and we'll do it for you." For a fee, of > course. But they sure did make nice AC drives. > > I see that Soliectria's (and I think Azure's) former marketing director, > Karl E Thidemann, is on Linked In. It's an extremely long shot, but I > wonder if he might be able to hook you up with one of their former engineers > or support techs. If you're a Linkie (I'm not), you might try getting in > touch with him. > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-thidemann-a971b853 > > Also, Lee Hart may have current contact into for James Worden. Whether > Worden would be able or willing to help, I don't know. > > Other than that you might scout around for a possible hacker (in the older > positive sense) community, something like the one that grew up round the old > Dolphin drives used in US Electricar EVs. I don't know whether enough of > the UMOC/DMOC units ever fell into hobbyist hands for that to happen. Maybe > you could try a post on the solectria_ev Yahoo group, if you haven't > already. > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/solectria_ev > > Good luck! > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Ford 76kWh WORK XL(StreetScooter) e-van> DHL.de-only
One can only hope that StreetScooter doesn't meet the same demise as Azure
Dynamics did for getting involved with Ford.
> On October 17, 2018 at 12:41 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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> Ford Begins Production of Electric Delivery Vans in Germany
> October 10, 2018 Talon Homer
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> The Transit chassis-based vehicles are being built in partnership with
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> This month, Ford started assembly on a specialized electric delivery van it
> calls the "Deutsche Post StreetScooter WORK XL" at its factory in Cologne,
> Germany. The Transit chassis-based van features an electric drivetrain
> designed by StreetScooter, an EV company also based in Germany. According to
> a release from Ford, the WORK XL transits are all destined to serve as
> parcel shipping vehicles for Deutsche Post DHL, the current owner of
> StreetScooter.
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> “With Ford, we have found the ideal partner who understands our flexible and
> customer-oriented way of production. Together, we are promoting
> electromobility in Germany and making inner?city delivery traffic more
> environmentally friendly and quieter," said StreetScooter CEO Dr. Achim
> Kampker. "With the new WORK XL StreetScooter, we now have the perfect e-van
> for parcel delivery in metropolitan areas, which in the future will also
> benefit other transport companies.”
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> Ford states that its assigned around 180 employees with the task of
> producing sixteen examples of the WORK XL per day, and up to 3,500 vehicles
> in one year. As the vans roll out of the plant, they will be utilized by DHL
> drivers across Germany. For this purpose, the vehicle offers up more than
> 700 cubic feet of cargo space, and will be able to carry a 2,800 pound load
> up to 120 miles on a single charge.
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> These numbers are achieved thanks to 76 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion batteries
> supplied by StreetScooter. The batteries power a motor sending 120 horspower
> and 200 pound-feet of torque to the rear wheels. Ford also estimates that
> replacing diesel vans with its electric equivalent will save an average of
> 500 gallons of fuel per vehicle, per year.
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> While the WORK XL is currently only available to DHL within Germany, "The
> future availability of the electric van to third-party customers is under
> consideration."
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> WATCH: Jaguar creates new system to protect blind pedestrians from
> near-silent electric cars
> 2018-10-12 Iain Suffield, Jaguar NVH Technical Specialist, said: "The
> absence of traditional engine noise from electric vehicles creates a problem
> for vulnerable pedestrians ...
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Re: [EVDL] Bus Bar size
John, How many do you need? Al - Original Message - From: Lussmyer, John cou...@casadelgato.com To: ev ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 2:14:47 PM Subject: [EVDL] Bus Bar size So, I'm updating my F250 to use Nissan Leaf modules. 3 modules in parallel, 40 sets in series. Trying to figure out bus bar size I'll need. Truck cruises at 60mph, at about 125A. The 2 mile steep hill from the ferry will probably be more like 400A (possibly more.) Would 3/16x3/4 be big enough? -- Tigers prowl and Dragons soar in my dreams... ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140505/282a7d6d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor.
Good morning Dennis, Thanks for the nice words. I sent both the Zivans into Greg at Zivan. I did not pull any punches and should have told him I had one less cell than I do. Honesty sometimes gets in the way. For what ever reason they just won't set them up the way we want. I run them in parallel and one goes off at 210vdc and the other goes off at 216vdc and does the float. At the moment I have the 216v charger not working and need to see why. Hopefully I answered your question. On a side note the DKW is for sale. So if you know anyone interested it will be going on Bring a Trailer in the near future. Al - Original Message - From: Dennis J Pestka dennis.pes...@mallinckrodt.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:07:39 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Al; Just checked out your site. Nice car and a first class restoration and conversion. Real head turner, and looks like a fun vehicle to drive. Can I ask how you got your Zivan to work with the Lithiums ? Thanks; Dennis Elsberry, MO http://www.evalbum.com/1366 http://evalbum.com/3715 -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of a.swackham...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Good afternoon Nathan, That is not exactly true. I am running a 200v system and works very well. Al www.evalbum.com/2430 - Original Message - From: Nathan Loofbourrow njl...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:48:37 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. I had this exact problem and discovered that the controller was programmed at the factory with a 250V minimum voltage. Use the software to lower that for your 164V pack and see if that solves it. (That said, the only folks on evalbum that seem pleased with their Azure setups seem to be those running at 250V+.) n ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20131114/9f9cc773/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20131115/1ab3aad9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor.
Dennis, You can eliminate the float because the 210v charger does just that. It shuts off and the 216v charger continues to charge till 216v and then floats. I have used these now for three years and have not had any issues with the cells. They are really balanced all the time. I have not heard from anyone besides Jack Recard (sp) to not float the lithium's. I have read at times of folks that have adjusted the chargers themselves. It seems it has to be done with the cover off and LIVE. Everything in these chargers are HOT. So be very careful. I went to a blog on adjusting Zivan chargers and found the pots for voltage and current I believe. I have not done any adjusting. You can only go so far. If you let Greg know that is how you want it he will do that for you. The ending voltage seems to be the issue, if you only tell him how many cells you have. Most people I have talked to or read about say the voltage he determines is too high. So they have started to tell him they have one less cell than they do. Or add an extra cell to their pack. Much more work than to just tell him one less. Al - Original Message - From: Dennis J Pestka dennis.pes...@mallinckrodt.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:10:04 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Al; Thanks for the reply. The problem I see is the float stage. I've heard that you should not float these lithium's, but shut down the charger when the current gets to ~ .05C. Phase 1 should charge to 3.5 - 3.6V, and then Phase 2 should hold the voltage, and taper the current. Looks like you're right there with the voltage. Do you know where your current is at when you switch to the float stage ? I have a Zivan NG5, and I may attempt to readjust this myself, if I could get some guidance. Anyone on the list have any experience adjusting these Zivan chargers, and do you know if you can eliminate the float stage ? Thanks; Dennis Elsberry, MO http://www.evalbum.com/1366 http://evalbum.com/3715 -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of a.swackham...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:48 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Good morning Dennis, Thanks for the nice words. I sent both the Zivans into Greg at Zivan. I did not pull any punches and should have told him I had one less cell than I do. Honesty sometimes gets in the way. For what ever reason they just won't set them up the way we want. I run them in parallel and one goes off at 210vdc and the other goes off at 216vdc and does the float. At the moment I have the 216v charger not working and need to see why. Hopefully I answered your question. On a side note the DKW is for sale. So if you know anyone interested it will be going on Bring a Trailer in the near future. Al - Original Message - From: Dennis J Pestka dennis.pes...@mallinckrodt.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:07:39 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Al; Just checked out your site. Nice car and a first class restoration and conversion. Real head turner, and looks like a fun vehicle to drive. Can I ask how you got your Zivan to work with the Lithiums ? Thanks; Dennis Elsberry, MO http://www.evalbum.com/1366 http://evalbum.com/3715 -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of a.swackham...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. Good afternoon Nathan, That is not exactly true. I am running a 200v system and works very well. Al www.evalbum.com/2430 - Original Message - From: Nathan Loofbourrow njl...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:48:37 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. I had this exact problem and discovered that the controller was programmed at the factory with a 250V minimum voltage. Use the software to lower that for your 164V pack and see if that solves it. (That said, the only folks on evalbum that seem pleased with their Azure setups seem to be those running at 250V+.) n ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor.
Good afternoon Nathan, That is not exactly true. I am running a 200v system and works very well. Al www.evalbum.com/2430 - Original Message - From: Nathan Loofbourrow njl...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:48:37 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Azure DMOC Not spinning motor. I had this exact problem and discovered that the controller was programmed at the factory with a 250V minimum voltage. Use the software to lower that for your 164V pack and see if that solves it. (That said, the only folks on evalbum that seem pleased with their Azure setups seem to be those running at 250V+.) n ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20131114/9f9cc773/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Deciding between ac-50 and warp 9 system
After driving an older vehicle (1960) with a four speed, I would not be concerned about getting up to speed. It will do it. Al Swackhammer www.evalbum.com/2430 - Original Message - From: Shenoy Vikram shenoyvik...@yahoo.com To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:53:13 AM Subject: [EVDL] Deciding between ac-50 and warp 9 system First time posting. After much research I am going ahead with my conversion. Also, have decided that it would be best if I have it converted by someone else. I have a 98 honda civic 5 speed. A 40 mile round trip work commute. Morning is no traffic approx 20 min. Evening is 40 min with traffic. 90% freeway at 60-70mph. This is in Houston. So Air conditioning is a must. I had pretty much decided on a HPEVS ac-50 system with 36 LIfepo4 200ah cells. Then I came across several posts regarding acceleration- an issue I had not given much thought to - ( achieving the speeds seem to be no problem). Several places mention a 0 to 60 of 18 seconds with the ac-50 systems. This would be a problem getting onto the freeways- lots of honking and angry stares ( also safety). I don't need really high performance, just enough to get on the freeways in a safe manner without effecting surrounding traffic. I don't really need the regen benefits of AC in this city- really really flat. - is the 0 to 60 I have quoted for AC-50 systems accurate/ reliable? - is a DC system ( warp 9 with zilla 1k) a good alternative? Thank you -VS Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130731/ddb21c7f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130731/5c4742c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Convert or buy-Production?
Good morning Bruce, Your words ring true. Here is a good example of just that. www.evalbum.com/2430 Al - Original Message - From: brucedp5 bruce...@operamail.com To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:04:43 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Convert or buy-Production? http://www.plugincars.com/should-you-convert-or-buy-your-ev-it-depends-what-you-want-127110.html [images] Buy an EV or Convert from Gas? Depends On Desire By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield Apr 29 2013 [images http://www.plugincars.com/sites/default/files/conversion-620p.jpg EV conversion close-up - Nothing beats the feel of converting your own car to electric, but it's not always easy to do. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7057/6989886309_ff8c5e4ff0_z.jpg Three LEAFs - Conversions are fun, but factory-built EVs carry the best support and warranties ] Nothing beats the feel of converting your own car to electric, but it's not always easy to do. Just five years ago, anyone wanting to own an affordable, highway-capable electric car faced a difficult decision: find a used previous-generation car like the RAV4EV, or undertake the time-intensive process of converting a gasoline car to electric. With a wide range of factory-built electric cars now on the market, the vast majority of first-time EV drivers favor the ease of buying an electric car from a major automaker over a home conversion. Meanwhile, the conversion market is still alive and well, supported by a growing community of creative hobbyists. A Huge Undertaking Just like working on a vintage car, building a custom motorcycle, or restoring a hotrod, converting a car from gasoline to electric is a large undertaking. A self-converted car is more than a car: it’s a hobby. A passion. If you’re thinking of converting your car to electric, you’ll need to understand some basic car maintenance, have somewhere to work on your car, and have the necessary tools to carry out a conversion. In the case of common conversion candidates—such as an old Volkswagen Bug or a Ford Ranger pickup truck—you’ll be able to buy most of the components you need from specialist vendors offering off-the-shelf conversion kits. For more unusual or complex conversions, parts often have to be hand-made, so metal working skills are a must. Alternatively, it’s possible to share the work. For example, it’s possible to send your car to the local auto shop to have major bodywork done, before installing the electrical components yourself. When it comes to cost, it’s possible to build your own electric car for $10,000 or less. For decent performance and range with the latest battery packs, motors and power electronics, you’ll be looking at spending at least $25,000 or more. Cottage Industry Despite the caveats, not to mention a lack of overall warranties for things like battery packs and drivetrains, people all over the U.S. are still carrying out conversions, thanks to a strong online community, which even has its own TV show. The brainchild of Jack Rickard, proprietor of EVTV Motor Verks in Cape Girardeau, Mo., the sometimes meandering weekly Electric Vehicle Television show covers everything from basic conversion techniques to understanding advanced battery chemistry. It even spawned its own annual EV conversion convention. As with any cottage industry, the EV conversion market is well supplied by a dizzying array of parts suppliers. While some are aimed toward industrial vehicles like fork lift trucks, an increasing number are specializing in electric car conversions, offering everything from smart dashboards to J1772-compliant chargers. Something Unique If you already have a vehicle in mind to electrify, and the skills to do it, converting it yourself can be a rewarding, fun, and educational process. Thanks to an almost unimaginable number of online websites, forums and YouTube channels devoted to the subject, learning how to convert your own car is easier than ever before, but be warned: it isn’t easy. Speaking from my own experiences, I know the sense of accomplishment from working on my own EV conversion and the joy driving it for the first time. But I also know the pain. When things go wrong, spending hours in the garage, working late into the night to get your car back on the road can be mentally, physically, and financially draining. Conversions are fun, but factory-built EVs carry the best support and warranties. If you want an EV that just works, never requires input from you, and is covered by a comprehensive set of warranties, head to your local dealer and put a deposit down on a factory-built car. Don't even think about converting your own car. On the other hand, if you want the challenge of building your very own electric car and have the skills, time and resources to tackle the project—not to mention some friends who don’t mind helping—there’s nothing quite like driving a car you helped liberate
Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 questions
Good morning Bruce, Thanks for the link. I have been reading archives for the
last few hours. Still no luck for programming. I will try to contact Zivan
again tomorrow and see why this charger has changed in the performance.
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter bruce...@operamail.com
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:34:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 questions
I am hoping others with actual experience for your situation can reply.
Until then I did a search that you may want to explore the link to
http://google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=enq=NG3+charge+curve+LiFePO4es_nrs=truepf=poutput=search
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Good afternoon, Are there any folks that know the Zivan NG3 charger curve
used with Lithium LIFEP04 cells? If a WU1U2o curve is used, where should
the rotary dial on the rear of the charger be set? It has been hard to
get an answer from Zivan USA. I just got it back and it is not charging
as it did before I sent it to them. I had the cover off and I thought I
had moved the dial and sent it in to Gregory to test. This time I got a
new note asking me to set the rotary dial. I set it on E 1.2 amps. Any
help would be appreciated. Not sure why these chargers have to be such a
mystery. Al Swackhammer
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[EVDL] Zivan NG3 questions
Good afternoon, Are there any folks that know the Zivan NG3 charger curve used with Lithium LIFEP04 cells? If a WU1U2o curve is used, where should the rotary dial on the rear of the charger be set? It has been hard to get an answer from Zivan USA. I just got it back and it is not charging as it did before I sent it to them. I had the cover off and I thought I had moved the dial and sent it in to Gregory to test. This time I got a new note asking me to set the rotary dial. I set it on E 1.2 amps. Any help would be appreciated. Not sure why these chargers have to be such a mystery. Al Swackhammer -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130421/765bad23/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments
David, What is your pack size, voltage? Al - Original Message - From: David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:28:08 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments Did you set it the same as your other NG3? Are you sure both are programmed the same in the first place? I had my NG3 reprogrammed for my LiFePO4 pack and it looks the same as it did before I sent it in so just looking at the setting won't necessarily tell you anything about another NG3. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote: Good evening, I installed my second Zivan NG3 in parallel this weekend with partial success. While doing the install, I think I managed to change an adjustment on the rear of the original charger. It is in the round hole in the rear of the charger. ( just above temp. probe socket ) I have no idea where this adjustment should be? Can anyone lead me in the direction to know what is this adjustment and how it should be set? I believe I changed this adjustment because the end of the charge was different. It did not go into the float stage as normal. As always, Thanks in advance, Al -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/e87d348c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com Nokia Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a2e7aadf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] two chargers in parallel
Good morning, I am going to run two Zivan NG3's in parallel. Seems to be pretty straight forward. My pack is made of 60 Sky Energy, 100ahr cells. Charger #1 is set to U1 @ 216vdc and float @ 207vdc. I had charger #2 programmed to U1 @ 210vdc and float @ 201vdc. This is to get the main charge up to 210vdc with both and let Charger #1 finish and balance. Are there any concerns that I should be aware? Thank you, Al Swackhammer www.evalbum.com/2430 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130322/d4342336/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel
Ken, Those were a PakTrakr system I have since sold. Al - Original Message - From: Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video k...@peakfoto.com To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:00:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel on your evalbumpage what the little black boxes on the side of your battery pack boxes ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130322/85c60c75/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel
Stephen, Charging in half the time. When using public charging it will make a
difference. Al
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From: Ds2inc ds2...@sbcglobal.net
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:59:08 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel
What's the advantage of chargers in parallel?? Faster charging?? Less stress on
the traction pack?? I understand it from a versatility position ( I.e. 110/220/
j1772) but do get the reason for running then at the same time??
Still learning!!!
Stephen
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On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote:
Bruce, I sent charger # 2 to Zivan to do the reprogramming. They did charger
# 1 as well. I do not know how to do this myself. I would be interested in
knowing how. Al
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter brucedp5@ operamail .com
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev @lists. evdl .org
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:07:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ EVDL ] two chargers in parallel
I had six chargers in parallel on my S-10 Blazer. I have used ng3, ng5,
pfc-30, pfc-50, and more. As was already posted, when using charging in
parallel, only one charger can be un-isolated. Since ng3 chargers are
isolated, that does not pertain to you.
Assuming you are familiar with adjusting Zivan ng3 chargers and have
set yours correctly, your posted plan to let both do the bulk
charging, where one ng3 stops at a lower set point voltage (~80%SOC?),
and the other ng3 is set to continue to finish the charge.
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Good morning, I am going to run two Zivan NG3's in parallel. Seems to
be pretty straight forward. My pack is made of 60 Sky Energy, 100ahr
cells. Charger #1 is set to U1 @ 216vdc and float @ 207vdc. I had
charger #2 programmed to U1 @ 210vdc and float @ 201vdc. This is to get
the main charge up to 210vdc with both and let Charger #1 finish and
balance. Are there any concerns that I should be aware?
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Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel
Bruce, Thanks. That is the plan to watch it for some time before I trust it
for good. Al
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter bruce...@operamail.com
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:19:13 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] two chargers in parallel
I do not know how to [adjust them] myself
That is why I mentioned it. Zivans have to be adjusted correctly. I have
the experience of how to do such adjustments, but I do not have the
equipment, nor the charger specific knowledge of the proper settings and
adjustment procedures to do it myself. It seems like we all have to rely
on the factory to adjust them correctly.
[EV-history - Way-back when I got my Zivans (circa ~1990's), there was
some serious dissing of them as a viable charger because some were
received with their settings wrong and their was no way to adjust them.
I knew of the Zivan distributor (at the time, Greg), and arranged an
appointment to drive up and drop by his shop in Sacramento (160+ miles
North).
I knew there was some settings that 'had to be right' or I would
cook/(under or over-charge) my PbSO4 pack when going on my long journeys
using multiple Zivan chargers (at the time, no one else was going on the
really long trips like it nor using multiple chargers in parallel
either). At the time, there really was no other off-the-shelf smart EV
charger options, so if I did not have any problems, then this charger
was still a viable option for the EV community to use (I was throwing
money and time at the issue for the EV-cause).
His shop was interesting. He had a hand-made rig that he used to adjust
the settings, and then he went through it again, for a total of three
different times, slightly adjusting each time. As a businessman he knew
that if we got this right, it would overcome the bad-rep that was being
passed around within the EV community (it would help his sales), so I am
sure you can imagine I got a little more attention than say someone that
had just shipped theirs in a box (face to face had more of an effect).
/EV-history off]
As it turned out, the chargers worked fine. The only issue was, as the
PbOS4 pack aged voltages will (and did change), but that was overcome
when the new pack was swapped in (only a few months of watching the
charging at the last part of the pack's life).
I do not have first hand li-ion pack experience. What I know about
li-ion has been taught to me by evdl member's and their experiences.
(Corrections requested) from what I have gathered, li-ion pack aging
will not be as a serious problem for you as it would be if you were
using the PbSO4 pack chemistry.
According to your EValbum page
http://www.evalbum.com/2430
You are in Edmonds, WA which has similar temperatures to the San
Francisco area (Seattle has a large body of water to keep temperatures
pleasant). But if you plan to go exploring in areas that have serious
temperature changes, I suggest you have some thermal management for your
pack (insulate and heat it when it is cold, and keep it cool when it is
hot).
A lot has changed since those old-days. I am reading on the evdl that
drivers that receive their chargers back from being adjusted, have had
no problems. But if I were in your shoes/situation, since the adjustment
work was not my own, I would recommend that you initially monitor your
chargers, so that you know they really do what you asked Zivan to adjust
for (that they shut down / off at the correct voltages). You always have
to factor in human error, and double check to know all is right/well.
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Bruce, I sent charger # 2 to Zivan to do the reprogramming. They did
charger # 1 as well. I do not know how to do this myself. I would be
interested in knowing how. Al
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