Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 10:20:25 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who will tell you that if beauty is god, then he believes in God, but that is not the God he is talking about when declaring himself an atheist. An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus. Really. Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than atheism, because with comp, not only the literal Christian God does not exist, but the myth or a primitive material universe has to be abandoned too. I disagree because comp invite us firmly to come back to the scientific notion of God (transcendental truth at the root of everything, faith in reincarnation). Science is always based on a religion. Scientist who pretend to have no religion are person who take so much their religion for granted that they cannot doubt it, and so becomes pseudo-priest of some sort. It is often the case with the (weak) materialist (as almost all people are still today). Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
It would say that they worship, and worship very hard. But his worship does adopt different forms. All of them primitive, since their impulses are not moderated by an assumption of tradition, so they lack the knowledge of best practices due to previous failures. It is necessary to take into account that a God in the primitive sense hansn´t to be a transcendental. It may be intramundane. It can be an ordinary person. An Emperor for example. Or a actor. When people tell about Hollywood as the Olympus of the stars he does no know up to what level this analogy, that comes from the same locations of the brain than in a ancient greek worshipper of Zeus is not an analogy, but an identity. I do not mix things. People mix them alone because all of them are part of the some single experience, historically perceived in different ways. By what I said in Robotic truth, worship and sacrifices are unavoidable in a social being who has memory and cooperates. worship is the public proclamation of admiration and the commitment to follow a personal entity. The sacrifices are the seal that certifies the adherence of the group principles in the eyes of the fellows. Just like a insurance company demand entry , exit and periodic fees. The sacrifice can be as subtle and venial as to mock rival groups in a public forum, but lacking a transcendental umbrella that embraces humanity, dignity and other things that give meaning and security in life, invariably the tribal cults take care of the whole of the person, and this can not be accomplished without higher payments. And, friends, I have to say that protection from the higher dangers, demands the higher prices in the catalog of your insurance company. That´s why bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice. The growing quantity of youngters enlisted in urban Gangsta knows that well, and show how our societies are being degraded. The corrupt mafias that dominate each sector of the economy know it too. Every group of well organized delinquents need a cult to the leader and his set of ideas. Sometimes with supernatural powers. for example, the ability to predict global climate, or capable of creating wealth by printing paper money. In this sense christianism gives a freedom from religion. The God that sacrifices for ourselves once and forever instead of us sacrificing for it periodicaly seems like made to liberate us from the deeds of primitive religion, that 2013/1/10 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 10:20:25 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who will tell you that if beauty is god, then he believes in God, but that is not the God he is talking about when declaring himself an atheist. An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus. Really. Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than atheism, because with comp, not only the literal Christian God does not exist, but the myth or a primitive material universe has to be abandoned too. I disagree because comp invite us firmly to come back to the scientific notion of God (transcendental truth at the root of everything, faith in reincarnation). Science is always based on a religion. Scientist who pretend to have no religion are person who take so much their religion for granted that they cannot doubt it, and so becomes pseudo-priest of some sort. It is often the case with the (weak) materialist (as almost all people are still today). Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
I meant: That´s why PROTECTION FROM bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice 2013/1/10 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com That´s why bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:52, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. OK. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. Here I can't follow you, as I don't believe more in the Bible (and which bible?) than in Alice in Wonderland (one of the deepest spiritual text in my opinion) My willingness to attribute a reference to God in the bible is proportional to the idea that the bible is not a sacred text. Even formal arithmetic has different non-isomorphic interpretations (yet with a common standard part), so the bible is too much prose to see it as a serious reference, with univocal interpretation. I honor the bible as an historical important text(s) in the human development, but I would not refer to it as serious or factually convincing theology. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 10:20:25 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who will tell you that if beauty is god, then he believes in God, but that is not the God he is talking about when declaring himself an atheist. An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus. Really. Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than atheism, because with comp, not only the literal Christian God does not exist, but the myth or a primitive material universe has to be abandoned too. I disagree because comp invite us firmly to come back to the scientific notion of God (transcendental truth at the root of everything, faith in reincarnation). Science is always based on a religion. Scientist who pretend to have no religion are person who take so much their religion for granted that they cannot doubt it, and so becomes pseudo-priest of some sort. It is often the case with the (weak) materialist (as almost all people are still today). Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, Atheists are those that refuse to worship any God because all of them are not only false they are silly. Atheists look for truth from logic and mathematics and scientific experimentation and not from the myths of a primitive bronze age tribe of 3000 years ago because they are imbecilic. It's really amazing that well into the 21'th century so many otherwise intelligent people can take a really really REALLY stupid book like the Bible seriously. I guess that childhood brainwashing usually does hold for a lifetime and it turns out that the Jesuits, those masters of psychological conditioning, were correct when they said Give me a child for his first seven years and I'll give you the man. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
