Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/3/2015 6:00 PM, LizR wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Switzerland is a special case. Their army is structured in a weird way. All men up to a certain age are technically in the army and are actually obliged to have a weapon and keep it in their home. We are talking about assault rifles (there are about half a million of them in Swiss household) as well as regular pistols. So this might mess up the statistics, because they might not be counted as weapons owned by a civilian household, even though they are available as such. On the other hand, this also means that all of these gun owners receive military training on how to handle the weapons. Oh, so Brent was just trolling. I guess that's nothing new. Why does it make a difference that the guns are not owned by the citizens. The citizen possess the gun and can use it at any time. It is a fully automatic weapon (which is very restricted in the US). That the owners receive training in how to use the weapons might reduce accidents, but it can't be the difference in intentional homicides. So I think Switzerland is an excellent counter example to the proposition that it is the widespread availability of guns in the US that is responsible for the high gun death rate. The Swiss have more widespread availability of guns that are more capable of killing a lot of people killing than those available in the US. The obvious conclusion is that there is some other very important factor. If you look at the rates of homicide in different nations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate The first thing you notice is that virtually the top spots are filled by western hemisphere nations. The exceptions are Swaziland which is #5 and Canada which down with Switzerland. They, at 0.5 (per year, per 100,000) are roughly twice that of New Zealand at 0.26 which is twice Australia's at 0.11. I think the availability of guns in the US is probably a major factor in the gun suicide rate in the US; even though the US is 19th in intentional homicide rate, it's only 4th in suicide rate and 12th in accidental rate. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Switzerland is a special case. Their army is structured in a weird way. All men up to a certain age are technically in the army and are actually obliged to have a weapon and keep it in their home. We are talking about assault rifles (there are about half a million of them in Swiss household) as well as regular pistols. So this might mess up the statistics, because they might not be counted as weapons owned by a civilian household, even though they are available as such. On the other hand, this also means that all of these gun owners receive military training on how to handle the weapons. Oh, so Brent was just trolling. I guess that's nothing new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 3 April 2015 at 04:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Sorry, I assumed you were arguing my point that there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. There are societies where people have a less desire to own guns, but I don't think there is any simple answer as to why. Yes. But to turn the question on its head, most people in most countries don't have a desire to own guns unless they have a good reason to need one. It only seems to be the US in which there is this actual desire, hence my phrase gun fetish (which I'm sure isn't original). Are guns banned in, say, New Zealand? No. Yet there are less per head, and less injuries and deaths caused by them, probably because Kiwis own guns only for the reasons one might expect - hunting, for example - rather than whatever reason it is Americans do (it looks from the outside like a sort of national fetish, a theory that the glamourisation of violence in many American TV shows and movies would seem to support). This is another tough question. My guess is that puritanical values and a repressive stance on sexuality have something to do with it, and we also see high levels of violence in other societies that are (even more, of course) sexually repressive. But my guess is as good as yours. Fair enough. So, anyway, any comments that address the actual situation? Yes, serious social science. Really trying to figure out why so many kids in America want to start a rampage at their schools. Being willing to accept the real answers to this question instead of avoiding the parts of the answer that might be less palatable. Yes. Obviously there is some feedback going on here. Not restricting gun sales much enables those people who want to do these things to do so, rather than just fantasising. There are undoubtedly such people in all societies - my point is that enabling them to easily buy Uzis is probably a bad idea if you want to avoid these rampages. Home 3D-printed guns are at the prototype level at the moment. Both the designs and 3D printing technology will keep improving and becoming cheaper. People are already experimenting with 3D printing ammunition. The technology to make atomic bombs in your basement exists. So, should that be made illegal? What do you think? Like all other things, one day technology will have advanced so much that making them illegal is irrelevant. Hopefully by then we figure out how to be nice to each other -- or we finally discover the solution to the Fermi Paradox. My point was more that to the best of my knowledge no one appears to have done this, even though it would be a way to make a suicide bomb that *really* did a lot of damage. And certainly a load of material has gone missing over the years... I suspect the answer to the Fermi paradox has a few parts...maybe some factors would include... - an advanced civilisation is more likely to accidentally destroy its planet's ecosphere - or to have a global war, or create a disease, or do other things that wipes it out or at least reduces it to medieval times again - even if the above doesn't happen, interstellar contact is very, very difficult. The distances and times involved are mind-boggling, and the evidence so far is that a nice stable solar system like ours is fairly rare. I don't think any of the 100s we're found so far are similar in terms of goldilocks orbits and other helpful factors like galactic disc avoidance, a massive shield planet, a large shield and otherwise helpful Moon, etc etc etc. I'm sure they're out there, but the chances of us detecting them is minute... ...unless it's possible for a civilisation to go up the Kardashev scale and start manipulating star clusters, galaxies etc. But not much sign of that going on so far. The trouble with trying to solve problems by restricting access to technology (in this case firearms) is that, as technology progresses, the laws have to become increasingly repressive to keep up. Preventing people from owning guns will soon devolve into a multi-prong approach where you have to restrict access to information on the Internet (if that is even possible), regulate the sale and ownership of 3D printers, worry about the availability of the common components that go into gunpowder, etc. For any difficulty you pose, there will be eventually a technological solution, and the only possible response from the regulatory mindset is to forbid more things, until we need permission to do almost anything. Now that we've got the straw men out of the way, I find my question still stands. So, why *does *the USA have so many firearms per head compared to anywhere else in the world, even a few was zones? And why does it have the highest rate of firearm related deaths and injuries per head in the first world, and close to the highest in the world (outside war zones) ? Ok, but this is a slightly difference perspective to assuming that the other countries are
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? Independently of Brent's remarks, with which I agree, my point is that even if forbidding people from owning guns works -- and I'm sure it works to some degree at the moment -- such restrictions become increasingly ineffective as technology progresses. Home 3D-printed guns are at the prototype level at the moment. Both the designs and 3D printing technology will keep improving and becoming cheaper. People are already experimenting with 3D printing ammunition. The trouble with trying to solve problems by restricting access to technology (in this case firearms) is that, as technology progresses, the laws have to become increasingly repressive to keep up. Preventing people from owning guns will soon devolve into a multi-prong approach where you have to restrict access to information on the Internet (if that is even possible), regulate the sale and ownership of 3D printers, worry about the availability of the common components that go into gunpowder, etc. For any difficulty you pose, there will be eventually a technological solution, and the only possible response from the regulatory mindset is to forbid more things, until we need permission to do almost anything. The real problem we have to solve is this: how to attain a society where we can trust each other? Repressive regulation goes in the opposite direction and it misses the point. Brazil is on the lower end of the scale in your map, yet is has much more gun violence per capita than the US, which shows us that lowering the number of guns per capita is not guaranteed to solve anything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:13 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 19:40, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? Independently of Brent's remarks, with which I agree, my point is that even if forbidding people from owning guns works -- and I'm sure it works to some degree at the moment -- such restrictions become increasingly ineffective as technology progresses. Who suggested banning guns? Sorry, I assumed you were arguing my point that there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. There are societies where people have a less desire to own guns, but I don't think there is any simple answer as to why. Are guns banned in, say, New Zealand? No. Yet there are less per head, and less injuries and deaths caused by them, probably because Kiwis own guns only for the reasons one might expect - hunting, for example - rather than whatever reason it is Americans do (it looks from the outside like a sort of national fetish, a theory that the glamourisation of violence in many American TV shows and movies would seem to support). This is another tough question. My guess is that puritanical values and a repressive stance on sexuality have something to do with it, and we also see high levels of violence in other societies that are (even more, of course) sexually repressive. But my guess is as good as yours. So, anyway, any comments that address the actual situation? Yes, serious social science. Really trying to figure out why so many kids in America want to start a rampage at their schools. Being willing to accept the real answers to this question instead of avoiding the parts of the answer that might be less palatable. Home 3D-printed guns are at the prototype level at the moment. Both the designs and 3D printing technology will keep improving and becoming cheaper. People are already experimenting with 3D printing ammunition. The technology to make atomic bombs in your basement exists. So, should that be made illegal? What do you think? Like all other things, one day technology will have advanced so much that making them illegal is irrelevant. Hopefully by then we figure out how to be nice to each other -- or we finally discover the solution to the Fermi Paradox. The trouble with trying to solve problems by restricting access to technology (in this case firearms) is that, as technology progresses, the laws have to become increasingly repressive to keep up. Preventing people from owning guns will soon devolve into a multi-prong approach where you have to restrict access to information on the Internet (if that is even possible), regulate the sale and ownership of 3D printers, worry about the availability of the common components that go into gunpowder, etc. For any difficulty you pose, there will be eventually a technological solution, and the only possible response from the regulatory mindset is to forbid more things, until we need permission to do almost anything. Now that we've got the straw men out of the way, I find my question still stands. So, why *does *the USA have so many firearms per head compared to anywhere else in the world, even a few was zones? And why does it have the highest rate of firearm related deaths and injuries per head in the first world, and close to the highest in the world (outside war zones) ? Ok, but this is a slightly difference perspective to assuming that the other countries are actively doing something that works in preventing firearm violence. It could be simply because of easy access to firearms but there is a lot of empirical data that casts doubt on this hypothesis -- at least on the hypothesis that this is the unique or main factor. I would look into protestant puritanism and its many ramifications in what society values, what it's like to grow up with puritanism (especially if you don't fit the mold) and so on. If this turns out to be right, I would also be very weary of directly attacking organised religion. This usually results in another, even more nasty organized religion (e.g Stalinism). Once you've answered that, then we can argue about whether there's any
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
Race is not religion for it is their religion that is the instigator, specifically, theirs. Pedigree's are for dogs. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 8:06 pm Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! In his long rambling manifesto he spoke -- much like you do in fact Mitch, of a clash of civilizations, and he saw himself as a defender of a Christian, Aryan Norway, being overrun by brown people. I am just going by his own stated motives, not your reinterpretation of what they must have been. The actual crime stats speak of a different story most terrorist attacks, by far-- in terms of numbers of incidences, but also in terms of overall damage, injury and death, in the US and in the EU are not being perpetrated by Islamicists, but by other kinds of extremists, including many various separatist movements. Hindus and Buddhists and Jews and Christians as well are committing acts of terror; however in the Western press these rarely get reported as such; most often the reports speak of a disturbed or deranged person, with no mention of the fact that their derangement was centered in their Christian (Nationalist) or other beliefs. If you added up all the people who died as a result of terrorist acts over the last 50 years do you think it would even come close to the number of just Americans who get violently murdered each and every single year? In the year 2013 you were more likely to die as the result of being man slaughtered by a toddler with a gun in this country than you were likely to get murdered by a terrorist. I am trying to put all this brouhaha into some kind of perspective. It is so far down the stack of imminent threats this world actually faces; kind of makes you wonder why it gets so much attention and is presented as being our most pressing problem. What's the agenda? And whose agenda is it? We have here a case of selective memory. Brevik was indeed a Nazi (no surprise there) but you do notice that all his victims were Norwegian socialists? His motive was revenge against his fellow countrymen, not Muslims living in Norway, which he could have easily attacked. It's impossible to truly see Brevik as a church goer, even in the Nazi WW2 German Lutheran style. You forget the Islamist attacks in Madrid 2004 which killed 191 and the subway attack in London which killed, and 52 dead in the London tube attacks. If Hindus were committing mass murder all over the world, we'd be talking about them instead of believers in Muhammad. It's purely practical to focus on the Islamists and there's no easy resolution to this war (which it is). I can bring up the London beheading, and hundreds of other jihad attack. In the 70's I could have pointed out the IRA, Red Army Fraction, Bader Meinhoff types, or the Chilean military bombing in DC. The Islamists are super well funded and are motivated by a promise of eternity. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 1:20 pm Subject: RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:53 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba and Venezuela as well as with ties with islamism. The basque terrorists in the 70s trained together with the Palestinian terrorists LPO (in the valley of the Becca) and with argelian communists. Please be informed. Was the right-wing Christian fanatic Norwegian terrorist Anders who mass murdered (77 people injuring hundreds more) scores of Norwegians in a car bomb, followed by a cold blooded execution style gunning down
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
And, by the way, all the Cuban sponsored terrorism is an itellectual product of the aggresive secularistic fanaticism incubated in the western universities, with a marxist of post-marxist background (it is the same). This is the fanaticism from which bot of you are victims. There is also a great deal of marxist background in the new islamism. The leaders of islamic terrorism were educated in western universities. Many of the 70-80 terrorists groups were socialists-islamists in a inextricable mix. In the 90's the defeat of your loved socialist utopia, and the lack of funds support and ideology from the soviet empire changed the labeling of these islamo-socialist groups towards pure islamism. There are great parallels between the left utopianism and islam, And a even stronger similarity between their respective violent branches: leninism and islamism. Both are political religions of different degrees of fanaticism 2015-04-01 10:53 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba and Venezuela as well as with ties with islamism. The basque terrorists in the 70s trained together with the Palestinian terrorists LPO (in the valley of the Becca) and with argelian communists. Please be informed. In the other side nobody says that all the terrorists are Muslims. You both may be a little off of reality guys. What children literature do you read?. There are alaso a great number of extreme left terrorist that has diminished since the defeat of the USSR. But there remain a lot of nostalgics of that era that populate the centers of power. And even the discussion lists. 2015-04-01 0:06 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: -- *From:* John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything. No argument form me on that point. However a really surprising quantity of terrorist acts (at least in Europe) are from one of the many separatist militant groups operating in that continent, in such places such as Corsica, the Basque regions etc. Places that have become folded into one nation state or another with which they do not much get along. Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba and Venezuela as well as with ties with islamism. The basque terrorists in the 70s trained together with the Palestinian terrorists LPO (in the valley of the Becca) and with argelian communists. Please be informed. In the other side nobody says that all the terrorists are Muslims. You both may be a little off of reality guys. What children literature do you read?. There are alaso a great number of extreme left terrorist that has diminished since the defeat of the USSR. But there remain a lot of nostalgics of that era that populate the centers of power. And even the discussion lists. 2015-04-01 0:06 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: -- *From:* John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything. No argument form me on that point. However a really surprising quantity of terrorist acts (at least in Europe) are from one of the many separatist militant groups operating in that continent, in such places such as Corsica, the Basque regions etc. Places that have become folded into one nation state or another with which they do not much get along. Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
We have here a case of selective memory. Brevik was indeed a Nazi (no surprise there) but you do notice that all his victims were Norwegian socialists? His motive was revenge against his fellow countrymen, not Muslims living in Norway, which he could have easily attacked. It's impossible to truly see Brevik as a church goer, even in the Nazi WW2 German Lutheran style. You forget the Islamist attacks in Madrid 2004 which killed 191 and the subway attack in London which killed, and 52 dead in the London tube attacks. If Hindus were committing mass murder all over the world, we'd be talking about them instead of believers in Muhammad. It's purely practical to focus on the Islamists and there's no easy resolution to this war (which it is). I can bring up the London beheading, and hundreds of other jihad attack. In the 70's I could have pointed out the IRA, Red Army Fraction, Bader Meinhoff types, or the Chilean military bombing in DC. The Islamists are super well funded and are motivated by a promise of eternity. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 1:20 pm Subject: RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:53 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba and Venezuela as well as with ties with islamism. The basque terrorists in the 70s trained together with the Palestinian terrorists LPO (in the valley of the Becca) and with argelian communists. Please be informed. Was the right-wing Christian fanatic Norwegian terrorist Anders who mass murdered (77 people injuring hundreds more) scores of Norwegians in a car bomb, followed by a cold blooded execution style gunning down of unarmed teenagers in 2011, and who acted in the name of his Christian supremacist ideology also --- covertly somehow also an Islamic terrorist? Was the train station bombing in Bologna Italy, which along with the afore mentioned Norwegian act of mass terrorism ranks as Europes worst post WWII act of terrorism, was that act perpetrated by Islamicists (or was it rather perpetrated by shadowy groups linked to the P2 lodge and to Operation Gladio?) Inform yourself, yourself! The two single largest acts of terrorism in post WWII Europe both committed by far right (and in the case of the Bologna bombing also implicating a shadowy paramilitary organization called Operation Gladio). In the US, was Timothy McVeigh also a crypto Muslim of sorts? Or was that mass murder act of terrorism also driven by an extremist right wing ideology? Me thinks, it is rather more yourself that needs to inform themselves, seminarian. Chris In the other side nobody says that all the terrorists are Muslims. You both may be a little off of reality guys. What children literature do you read?. There are alaso a great number of extreme left terrorist that has diminished since the defeat of the USSR. But there remain a lot of nostalgics of that era that populate the centers of power. And even the discussion lists. 2015-04-01 0:06 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 2 April 2015 at 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? Of course not. I'm just pointing out one of the factors. Some, like Switzerland, are richer...and have a higher percentage of households with guns. So are you saying that there is a correlation between the per-capita income of a country and the number of households with guns? If so, have you got some stats? Yes, but I'm pointing out that the correlation is in part driven by the expense of buying a gun and ammunition. So people in Bangladesh or Chad are not likely to buy a rifle for sport or hunting. Whereas the US people that buy a rifle for sport or hunting tend to also have another rifle for target shooting and a shotgun or two and a couple of pistols. That's why, although the number to guns in the US has gone up, the number of households with a gun has gone down. So what about Europe, Canada, Svalbard, etc? I do of course agree with your point on a broad scale. I normally only say that the USA has more guns per person than other countries in the first world, since I assume the first world is roughly on a par economically. So income inequality may partially explain the gap between the USA and India, but not between the USA and the UK. I don't know about households (do the Swiss have more people per household than the US, or something? Or are you saying the map is wrong?) - this map only shows the average number of civilian-owned guns per capita. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! I'd say ...really want to! is a big loophole in that assertion. Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to! Sure, many people don't. And the mantra that guns are dangerous has made people unfamiliar with them fearful of guns. While people who grew up hunting and having guns around (like me) think of them as just another tool that can hurt you if used carelessly - like a motorcycle or dynamite. (Or can't, but that does seem unlikely). I've never wanted one myself, nor have I known anyone who's owned a gun, to the best of my knowledge - apart from a friend of my son whose father lives in America (the father has a gun). Well I don't know whether you count me as someone you know, I have six guns; two of which I bought and four and I inherited from close relatives. But I've never know anyone who was shot, even accidentally. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 2 April 2015 at 13:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! I'd say ...really want to! is a big loophole in that assertion. Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to! Sure, many people don't. And the mantra that guns are dangerous has made people unfamiliar with them fearful of guns. While people who grew up hunting and having guns around (like me) think of them as just another tool that can hurt you if used carelessly - like a motorcycle or dynamite. (Or can't, but that does seem unlikely). I've never wanted one myself, nor have I known anyone who's owned a gun, to the best of my knowledge - apart from a friend of my son whose father lives in America (the father has a gun). Well I don't know whether you count me as someone you know, I have six guns; two of which I bought and four and I inherited from close relatives. But I've never know anyone who was shot, even accidentally. I take it back, Kevin Ireland, the NZ poet who lives in Auckland some of the time and Oxford the rest, is a friend of mine who has owned plenty of guns. Indeed he wrote a poem about shooting his dog. I don't have a problem with guns being owned and used in the right place - for hunting, in the countryside and so on. However (as I assume, being a person of intelligence, you do actually realise) those aren't the guns I'm objecting to, nor are they the ones that turn the USA black on that map, nor are they the ones toddlers get hold of, or 9 year olds kill their shooting instructors with. I know you feel obliged to argue the contrary case, but I really would appreciate a bit of common sense on what the real subject of the argument is here, rather than what looks like a knee-jerk defence of guns just because you happen to have grown up with them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? Of course not. I'm just pointing out one of the factors. Some, like Switzerland, are richer...and have a higher percentage of households with guns. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 8:30 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:48 PM, LizR wrote: By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! I'd say ...really want to! is a big loophole in that assertion. Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to! Sure, many people don't. And the mantra that guns are dangerous has made people unfamiliar with them fearful of guns. While people who grew up hunting and having guns around (like me) think of them as just another tool that can hurt you if used carelessly - like a motorcycle or dynamite. (Or can't, but that does seem unlikely). I've never wanted one myself, nor have I known anyone who's owned a gun, to the best of my knowledge - apart from a friend of my son whose father lives in America (the father has a gun). Well I don't know whether you count me as someone you know, I have six guns; two of which I bought and four and I inherited from close relatives. But I've never know anyone who was shot, even accidentally. I take it back, Kevin Ireland, the NZ poet who lives in Auckland some of the time and Oxford the rest, is a friend of mine who has owned plenty of guns. Indeed he wrote a poem about shooting his dog. I assume that was to put a terminally ill dog out its misery (a sad duty I've done a few of times) rather than an accident. I don't have a problem with guns being owned and used in the right place - for hunting, in the countryside and so on. However (as I assume, being a person of intelligence, you do actually realise) those aren't the guns I'm objecting to, nor are they the ones that turn the USA black on that map, I don't think the map has enough resolution to show whether the guns are in the countryside or suburbs or city. I know that, per household, there are a lot more guns in sparsely populated areas, e.g. on western farms and ranches as compared to cities. nor are they the ones toddlers get hold of, or 9 year olds kill their shooting instructors with. Rare incidents are not a good basis for public policy. I know you feel obliged to argue the contrary case, but I really would appreciate a bit of common sense on what the real subject of the argument is here, rather than what looks like a knee-jerk defence of guns just because you happen to have grown up with them. I'm sorry I didn't know you were arguing a case. What case are you arguing? Did you assume I would join in a knee-jerk condemnation of US gun ownership? I wouldn't mind giving up my guns if I thought it would make me significantly safer, just like I'd give up my motorcycles if I thought they were going to kill me. Yes, I know the statistics. You're more likely to be shot if you own a gun (accidents, suicides account for more than half of gun deaths). And you're 30 times more likely to be killed on a motorcycle over the same mileage as compared to a car. But minimizing risk isn't an overriding value in my life. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? Of course not. I'm just pointing out one of the factors. Some, like Switzerland, are richer...and have a higher percentage of households with guns. So are you saying that there is a correlation between the per-capita income of a country and the number of households with guns? If so, have you got some stats? Yes, but I'm pointing out that the correlation is in part driven by the expense of buying a gun and ammunition. So people in Bangladesh or Chad are not likely to buy a rifle for sport or hunting. Whereas the US people that buy a rifle for sport or hunting tend to also have another rifle for target shooting and a shotgun or two and a couple of pistols. That's why, although the number to guns in the US has gone up, the number of households with a gun has gone down. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:49:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: Sure there are obviously cultural and legal differences too. I was in Sydney on the day of the Port Arthur massacre. I gathered that, before that, personal ownership of guns in Australia was fairly common and not much regulated. It motivated severe restrictions on and confiscation of privately owned guns. Gun ownership has never been popular here, either before or after Port Arthur. What changed was a tightening of rules over semi-automatic weapons, and a massive buy-back of semi-automatic weapons that had previously been privately owned. To my knowledge, gun ownership rules have never been harmonised in Australia. In the state of my upbringing (WA), it was illegal to own any sort of gun (air-rifles were excepted from licensing, IIRC), except in the following circumstances: 1) Farmers and professional shooters could own manually operated rifles or shotguns up to .303 calibre 2) Other people could own guns, but they must be kept at a licensed shooting range at all times. Possibly a handgun may have been allowed under those circumstances. 3) Handguns could not be owned at all, unless made inoperable by having it's barrel filled with lead (catering to the gun collector). 4) I'm guessing that police would have had access to all sorts weaponry, but as a general rule, police were not armed with firearms. Obviously the rules in the Eastern States were laxer, given the extent of private semi-automatic ownership, and the fact that cops pack sidearms. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 5:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 5:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? Of course not. I'm just pointing out one of the factors. Some, like Switzerland, are richer...and have a higher percentage of households with guns. So are you saying that there is a correlation between the per-capita income of a country and the number of households with guns? If so, have you got some stats? Yes, but I'm pointing out that the correlation is in part driven by the expense of buying a gun and ammunition. So people in Bangladesh or Chad are not likely to buy a rifle for sport or hunting. Whereas the US people that buy a rifle for sport or hunting tend to also have another rifle for target shooting and a shotgun or two and a couple of pistols. That's why, although the number to guns in the US has gone up, the number of households with a gun has gone down. So what about Europe, Canada, Svalbard, etc? I do of course agree with your point on a broad scale. I normally only say that the USA has more guns per person than other countries in the first world, since I assume the first world is roughly on a par economically. So income inequality may partially explain the gap between the USA and India, but not between the USA and the UK. Sure there are obviously cultural and legal differences too. I was in Sydney on the day of the Port Arthur massacre. I gathered that, before that, personal ownership of guns in Australia was fairly common and not much regulated. It motivated severe restrictions on and confiscation of privately owned guns. I don't know about households (do the Swiss have more people per household than the US, or something? Or are you saying the map is wrong?) - this map only shows the average number of civilian-owned guns per capita. So how did they count guns in Switzerland where all militia aged citizens are issued an assault rifle - which they can keep when they leave the militia at age 35? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
In his long rambling manifesto he spoke -- much like you do in fact Mitch, of a
clash of civilizations, and he saw himself as a defender of a Christian, Aryan
Norway, being overrun by brown people. I am just going by his own stated
motives, not your reinterpretation of what they must have been. The actual
crime stats speak of a different story most terrorist attacks, by far-- in
terms of numbers of incidences, but also in terms of overall damage, injury and
death, in the US and in the EU are not being perpetrated by Islamicists, but
by other kinds of extremists, including many various separatist
movements.Hindus and Buddhists and Jews and Christians as well are committing
acts of terror; however in the Western press these rarely get reported as such;
most often the reports speak of a disturbed or deranged person, with no mention
of the fact that their derangement was centered in their Christian
(Nationalist) or other beliefs.If you added up all the people who died as a
result of terrorist acts over the last 50 years do you think it would even come
close to the number of just Americans who get violently murdered each and every
single year?In the year 2013 you were more likely to die as the result of being
man slaughtered by a toddler with a gun in this country than you were likely to
get murdered by a terrorist.I am trying to put all this brouhaha into some kind
of perspective. It is so far down the stack of imminent threats this world
actually faces; kind of makes you wonder why it gets so much attention and is
presented as being our most pressing problem. What's the agenda? And whose
agenda is it?
We have here a case of selective memory. Brevik was indeed a Nazi (no surprise
there) but you do notice that all his victims were Norwegian socialists? His
motive was revenge against his fellow countrymen, not Muslims living in Norway,
which he could have easily attacked. It's impossible to truly see Brevik as a
church goer, even in the Nazi WW2 German Lutheran style. You forget the
Islamist attacks in Madrid 2004 which killed 191 and the subway attack in
London which killed, and 52 dead in the London tube attacks. If Hindus were
committing mass murder all over the world, we'd be talking about them instead
of believers in Muhammad. It's purely practical to focus on the Islamists and
there's no easy resolution to this war (which it is). I can bring up the London
beheading, and hundreds of other jihad attack. In the 70's I could have pointed
out the IRA, Red Army Fraction, Bader Meinhoff types, or the Chilean military
bombing in DC. The Islamists are super well funded and are motivated by a
promise of eternity.
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Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 2 April 2015 at 13:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 4:47 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 11:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. What, all other countries are poorer than the US? Of course not. I'm just pointing out one of the factors. Some, like Switzerland, are richer...and have a higher percentage of households with guns. So are you saying that there is a correlation between the per-capita income of a country and the number of households with guns? If so, have you got some stats? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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By the way, Brent, your comment directly contradicts what the gun lovers always say - but anyone can get hold of one if they really want to! Unless - gasp - most people don't actually want to! (Or can't, but that does seem unlikely). I've never wanted one myself, nor have I known anyone who's owned a gun, to the best of my knowledge - apart from a friend of my son whose father lives in America (the father has a gun). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:53 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! All these movements are in the orbit of Cuba and Venezuela as well as with ties with islamism. The basque terrorists in the 70s trained together with the Palestinian terrorists LPO (in the valley of the Becca) and with argelian communists. Please be informed. Was the right-wing Christian fanatic Norwegian terrorist Anders who mass murdered (77 people injuring hundreds more) scores of Norwegians in a car bomb, followed by a cold blooded execution style gunning down of unarmed teenagers in 2011, and who acted in the name of his Christian supremacist ideology also --- covertly somehow also an Islamic terrorist? Was the train station bombing in Bologna Italy, which along with the afore mentioned Norwegian act of mass terrorism ranks as Europes worst post WWII act of terrorism, was that act perpetrated by Islamicists (or was it rather perpetrated by shadowy groups linked to the P2 lodge and to Operation Gladio?) Inform yourself, yourself! The two single largest acts of terrorism in post WWII Europe both committed by far right (and in the case of the Bologna bombing also implicating a shadowy paramilitary organization called Operation Gladio). In the US, was Timothy McVeigh also a crypto Muslim of sorts? Or was that mass murder act of terrorism also driven by an extremist right wing ideology? Me thinks, it is rather more yourself that needs to inform themselves, seminarian. Chris In the other side nobody says that all the terrorists are Muslims. You both may be a little off of reality guys. What children literature do you read?. There are alaso a great number of extreme left terrorist that has diminished since the defeat of the USSR. But there remain a lot of nostalgics of that era that populate the centers of power. And even the discussion lists. 2015-04-01 0:06 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: _ From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything. No argument form me on that point. However a really surprising quantity of terrorist acts (at least in Europe) are from one of the many separatist militant groups operating in that continent, in such places such as Corsica, the Basque regions etc. Places that have become folded into one nation state or another with which they do not much get along. Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 12:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So far the ones printed will only fire once (if at all). And no one's been able to print ammunition yet. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 2 April 2015 at 08:45, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/1/2015 12:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So far the ones printed will only fire once (if at all). And no one's been able to print ammunition yet. Still it made a clever plot in Elementary, the modern adaptation of Sherlock Holmes that leaves Sherlock standing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
Even Svalbard appears to have less guns per head than the USA, and there you're actually legally obliged to carry one whenever you leave town! On 2 April 2015 at 11:19, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On 4/1/2015 3:19 PM, LizR wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... Guns can be very dangerous, but like drugs there is no way to stop people from obtaining them. It's already possible to 3D print one, and this technology will only improve from now on. So how does every other country in the world manage to have less guns per person than the USA? Magic? For one thing they're poorer. The number of households with a gun is far smaller than the number of guns. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
Regarding the subject of terrorism here is an eye opening article that quantifies it and gives a different perspective on it than is usually presented in the military industrial complex owned mass media. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun. Because all those guns make you safer... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Once. Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists? We do. Religion poisons everything. No argument form me on that point. However a really surprising quantity of terrorist acts (at least in Europe) are from one of the many separatist militant groups operating in that continent, in such places such as Corsica, the Basque regions etc. Places that have become folded into one nation state or another with which they do not much get along.Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
