RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
His comments don't even require a response to validate them. Why bother then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics It may have ended now. Even if it hasn't, you can rest assured that it will eventually. It always does. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I really must apologise for that moment of panic. And apologise for this apology which I am sure is of no use to anyone. Where will it all end? I feel like I'm watching the intro to Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And the Vikings sketch. Anyway. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Don't Feed the Troll!!! The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
both -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Is that an opinion or fact? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics His comments don't even require a response to validate them. Why bother then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics It may have ended now. Even if it hasn't, you can rest assured that it will eventually. It always does. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I really must apologise for that moment of panic. And apologise for this apology which I am sure is of no use to anyone. Where will it all end? I feel like I'm watching the intro to Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And the Vikings sketch. Anyway. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Don't Feed the Troll!!! The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TONS of NDR's
For those wondering. It's actually from South Park Season 3. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. van Ouwerkerk Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You don't have to read slashdot to know that. I had to apply special rules to get rid of this mailbox polution. Spammers have found my domainname to be interesting as From: they make up names in the form or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know ppl who had to give up the use of their domainname because it was impossible to use it anymore. In the past I have complained but it seems that several ISP's are forwarding the message resulting in more and more NDR's. B. At 08:52 19-12-2003 -0600, you wrote: You obviously read Slashdot.org Eric Fretz -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You may be relay free (i.e. a spammer is *not* using your servers as a relay) but said scumbag is using one of your addresses as a forged From: address. 1) spammer sends out messages appearing to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) many many many recipients do not exist 3) receiving mail systems send the NDR bounce to the perceived sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) ??? 5) profit! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TONS of NDR's
In the original post Erik Sojka wrote: 1) spammer sends out messages appearing to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) many many many recipients do not exist 3) receiving mail systems send the NDR bounce to the perceived sender [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) ??? 5) profit! The #4 and #5 items were from a bit from the TV show South Park. The next post from Eric Fretz, said You obviously read Slashdot.org. That saying from South Park has been making the rounds on there lately. You responded with the You don't have to read slashdot to know that reply. I was just clearing that up. No I don't think it's fun that spammers are forging FROM address, but what are you going to expect from a 20+ year old protocol that wasn't designed to verify who the sender is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B. van Ouwerkerk Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: TONS of NDR's You've lost me. The only South Park I ever heard of is a comedy. I hope you don't find it fun that ppl are getting NDR's because spammers feel like forging the FROM. B. At 23:56 21-12-2003 -0800, you wrote: For those wondering. It's actually from South Park Season 3. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
If people would just quit responding to him, he would go away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Then you live your ethics, and let the rest of us live ours. Then, when the IT industry goes to hell in a handbasket, you can blame us all for it's demise. We (speaking collectively here) don't believe that MVP's are unethical for receiving a small stipend or gift (whatever it might be). You do. That's fine, but stop trying to force it upon the rest of us. Our views aren't going to change, and your views aren't going to change, so let it rest. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO Do I get credibility now? In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point of ethics, I assumed it was you that were claiming to be the ethical god here. Perhaps your pointing out that you don't accept gifts because of your ethics was where I went astray. As for the litmus test you are under, I suggest you read your own website. YOU are working for that company, and YOU are the one that should be upholding ALL the virtues of that company, not me, not ED, not TONY, heck, not even DON; only you! You don't like what your company puts up as a litmus test, then I suggest you find a job elsewhere. One thing still stands, you still aren't drumming up business in this list when you explode on potential customers. I hope you never decide to come calling on my account, I'm sure your boss would like to know the reason I refused you a meeting was because you don't know when to shut up. As for the name-calling that goes on this list, I suggest you shut up, sit back, and learn. Sure, Ed, Tony, and Don (and a few more) can certainly be grating on someone's nerves, but I will promise you, they know more about Exchange Systems then you could wish to know in a lifetime. While I don't choose to instruct in the same way these people do, I certainly understand where they get to the point and call someone an idiot for not looking up an issue like How do I turn on my computer before posting it to the list. Remember, the people on this list are under ZERO obligation to help you, or anyone else. When they do choose to help, they can save your butt more times then not. But they WILL NOT, nor should the be expected to, put up with damn fools that ask a question that would be answered faster if that person would have taken the time to research the question themselves. Sure, I don't like being called Lazy, but I promise, it took only once from ED to make me understand that I better research the hell out of something before
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
But according to the commercials on TV it's hip to get herpes. You can do all these cool things like rafting and mountain climbing when you have herpes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics That what they said about herpes :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics If people would just quit responding to him, he would go away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Then you live your ethics, and let the rest of us live ours. Then, when the IT industry goes to hell in a handbasket, you can blame us all for it's demise. We (speaking collectively here) don't believe that MVP's are unethical for receiving a small stipend or gift (whatever it might be). You do. That's fine, but stop trying to force it upon the rest of us. Our views aren't going to change, and your views aren't going to change, so let it rest. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO Do I get credibility now? In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point of ethics, I assumed it was you that were claiming to be the ethical god here. Perhaps your pointing out that you don't accept gifts because of your ethics was where I went astray. As for the litmus test you are under, I suggest you read your own website. YOU are working for that company, and YOU are the one that should be upholding ALL the virtues of that company, not me, not ED, not TONY, heck, not even DON; only you! You don't like what your company puts up as a litmus test, then I suggest you find a job elsewhere. One thing still stands, you still aren't drumming up business in this list when you explode on potential customers. I hope you never decide to come calling on my account, I'm sure your boss would like to know the reason I refused you a meeting was because you don't know when to shut up. As for the name-calling that goes on this list, I suggest you shut up, sit back, and learn. Sure, Ed, Tony, and Don (and a few more) can certainly be grating on someone's nerves, but I will promise you, they know more about Exchange Systems then you could wish to know in a lifetime. While I don't choose to instruct in the same way these people do, I certainly understand where they get to the point and call someone an idiot
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
And here I was expecting goatse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Jeremy Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Greg Will you PLEASE just go here http://tinyurl.com/3kdu - I'm sure this will explain EVERYTHING and quit posting your comments to the list! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
If you shake more then twice, you're just playing with yourself -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parker Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I have to pee. John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The Lurkers Support Me in E-mail! I knew it was coming, and here it is at last! Another piece of the kook puzzle falls into place. I am so happy. We are still a few steps away from the Every who is against me is just as bad as Hitler gambit, but we are surely circling that drain. Jim H -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Actually, I have had plenty of people step forward, privately and support me. But they don't want to get involved in the list discussion. I don't need to. I'm not the one spouting ridiculous opinions about ethics. It's clear that you've lost the argument when you can't prove your case, and To whom is it clear? Noone has EVER proven wrong that accepting direct gifts from vendors when you are in an industry that provides services to clients and customers for that vendor that it is NOT a conflict of interest. instead challenge me to prove you wrong. Since you can't prove your assertion, it is not a fact, and therefore it is an opinion. Since your opinion is yours alone (noone else has stepped forward to agree with you) then you have a very small minority opinion. An opinion, I'm afraid to have to explain to you, are only as important as the stature and number of those who hold it. So, it would seem that my position prevails, and your opinion is marginal. Unless you can prove the contrary, you have no basis for arguing that there is an ethical problem with the MVP program. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, I can be childish as well. You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then turning around to clients and providing information and services about and from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. You prove that false. Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is made up in your own mind. Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that special place known as Deckler-Land. By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, for some reason beyond my comprehension people seem to have this odd fascination with my views on ethics in IT. They are so fascinated that every time I post something to this list, they bring it up. In the interests of trying to move past this, you can get your fix of my crazed views on ethics in the form of a free monthly newsletter, The IT Ethics Newsletter. Details can be found at http://www.infonition.com/ethics I have not yet covered the Conflict of Interest topic but I'm sure that it will come up eventually. Until then, here is how I see the two sides. Greg: Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is why companies have limits on the type and dollar amount of gifts that employees can accept from third parties. Because MVP is primarily a title and titles are priceless, there are obvious grounds for a potential conflict of interest. And it does not matter if the conflict of interest is real or perceived. The whole point of ethics and conflict of interest rules is to help keep people from getting into ethical trouble and to remove even the specter or impropriety. The Other Side: The MVP title is not unethical. In fact, it does not matter what you do or who you accept gifts from or what the type or dollar amount of those gifts, it will never, ever constitute a conflict of interest. Furthermore, there is really no such thing as a conflict of interest. This whole conflict of interest nonsense is, in fact, an evil plot propagated by the secretive Illuminati. Obviously, the Illuminati have corrupted Greg's brain and the brains of all of the corporations that have rules against accepting gifts. Don't become another victim! Even if God himself comes down and points out that something is obviously a potential conflict of interest, argue with God because the Illuminati have obviously gotten to him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Sweet. Just when the Greg/Ed spamfest was dying down, we get a revival. Excellent middle schoolFight Fight/middle school -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you are correct Ed. I cannot prove the obvious. I cannot prove that an apple is red or that the sky is blue or that you live on the planet that orbits a sun. If you are not willing to accept the obvious, then I will never be able to prove anything to you. Likewise, and more importantly sinc, you haven't proven your statement true. It is only a real or perceived conflict of interest in your own mind. You haven't proven anything beyond that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Goes double from me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Hanna Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
Yes you are correct. With SBS 2003 you can go to 75 users. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I want to say maybe SBS2003 will goo to 75 these day's...or is that Novell? -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I am over 50 users -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Then quit beating this dead horse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you call professions there are specializations. Within IT there are specializations too. It just so happens that those areas of /deep/ technical knowledge are sometimes on a particular product in addition to the specializations on generic process. There really is no precedent stating that there is ipso facto unprofessionalism or an issue with ethics. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software.
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. =20 I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Me fail english? Thats unpossible! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
When I grow up I want to be a principalor a caterpillar. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You forget that you're comparing me to the guy that tickles his brain when he picks his nose. Frankly, I seem a bit tame. =) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Oh. My. I think that was TMI, Eric. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:26 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Sometimes I feel funny when I climb the rope in Gym class. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Actually I just gave up, and gave in -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Looking down, I see that you just pleaded, Will everyone just drop this discussion? Didn't you really mean everyone else? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My brain tickles when I pick my nose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 My cat's breath smells like cat food. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Tl;dr. Will everyone just drop this discussion? We don't need another 75 e-mails on this today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 You do not know the specifics of their situation so I am not sure why you are so certain that the project was severly underscoped and underbid. Rushed, yes. Underscoped and underbid, no. The scope is to get them from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000 and that is what is being delivered. Underbid, again no. I can get a client of this size and much larger migrated with only spending 5 days or less on sight. I bring all my own software and tools, set them up, configure them and train them on their use. I can actually install all the software and have all the processes up and running in about a day. Once you've done as many email migrations as I have, you tend to get your process worked out pretty thoroughly. So no, I would not characterize this project as underscoped or underbid. It's a public school system and so yes, they are concerned about costs, but I can deliver everything they need, cover my costs with an acceptable profit and they get everything they asked for, so it has been scoped and bid correctly. As for the rest. Yes, everything that I say is my opinion. And no, I do not say that everyone that is an MVP is unethical. What I say is that the act of being an MVP is accepting compensation from a vendor and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in. MCSE? First, I am not an MCSE and would not advertise that fact if I were one. Yes, I do hold certain vendor certifications. The difference is that I PAY for these certifications. I PAY Microsoft to take the test and then I PAY Microsoft to get their software. It is at a discount, but I still have to pay for it. With the MVP, you are not doing any PAYING. Microsoft is PAYING you with a title and gifts, not the other way around. I fail to see how you can miss this obvious distinction, but hey, whatever man. Yes, we disagree on this point. I am not sure why you feel that I am being closed-minded. I am close-minded because you cannot convince me to believe in your point of view? No, I have my point of view and I am quite open-minded enough to understand your point of view. I do not have any bile towards vendors although I do believe that they CAN have a corrupting influence. That's why the AMA is concerned over vendors (drug companies) paying for clinical studies, etc. The AMA does not want doctors being paid to recommend particular prescriptions because it is a conflict of interest. The doctor is supposed to be looking out for the patient's best interests, not their own or the interests of a drug company that is paying them. This is all basic stuff. What I cannot understand is why people keep bringing this up. My position on this subject is well known and not likely to change. I have given this issue a lot of thought and this is my position on it. And we all know the positions involved and all know who thinks what and all of this conversation is simply a rehash of the six or seven other times this subject has come up. So why keep bringing it up? Seems odd to me that a bunch of people would continually bring up the subject and then get mad at ME and blame ME for bringing it up. My position on this is well known and hasn't changed in 8 years. We disagree, great. No big thang. Let it go. If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. You do not agree with my opinion. That's all well and good. I don't happen to agree with your opinion. Guess what? Nobody cares except you and I so get over it and be civil. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I fail to understand why a simple difference of opinion vexes you so much and why you continue to harp on it. I have differences of opinions with lots and lots of people including friends, family and coworkers. My brother does not agree with my opinion that publicly funded universities are cheating the public by not putting their classes on-line as web broadcasts. But we still sit down together at Thanksgiving and Christmas and laugh and joke and generally get along, unless we're on the same side playing cards. But we try to avoid that now. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. Ruled what? For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 5.0 was not the beginning of beginnings. 4.0 ruled! -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Didn't know I was talking trash. In terms of wits, you're the one that couldn't figure out that Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 posted to an EXCHANGE list means Migrating from GroupWise 6.5...TO EXCHANGE. I do not need to talk trash, your posts speak for themselves. . Well, I figured you were migrating to Exchange 5.0 ! A had a whole list of links for too. Time wasted _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Then why do it on the list? Why not e-mail Ed directly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 All I was doing by responding was to attempt to get back to a common ground of civility. Honestly I wasn't trying to get in a fight. Getting into an internet fight is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. My point was that if you truly were over it you wouldn't have had the need to fell like you had respond. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on and be civil. I have. I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did you feel the need to respond? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest and not something that professional IT personnel should engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I never received mine either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hutchins, Mike Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 By the way, I am still waiting for my book... -Original Message- From: David Grimstone (DSLWN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 That would be Hemmoroid. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 3:55 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok Mr. I help build this community, Here's my opinion... You're like a hemorrhoid and no amount of Preparation H is making you go away... :( -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: webmail
Only if you bite the ring of the finger and jump into the cracks of mount doom :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Weston Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: webmail May I substitute rings for fries and add a chocolate malt instead of a pop? -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: webmail Would you like to Super size this order sir? _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: webmail when i access my webmail i recieve only the parent directory _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Email notifications from public folder
Would using the public folder assistant work for you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erick Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Email notifications from public folder I'm planning on writing a small script to generate email notifications from schedule items in a public folder. So I don't have to inrevent the wheel, does anyone have something similar I can use as a starting point? Thanks, Erick _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Encryption packages
You might want to read the HIPAA requirements again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Encryption packages Good morning, Outlook 98. Exchange 5.5 Windows 2000. We are a healthcare organization. We wre looking to implement an encryption package that is as easy as possible for the sender and the receiver. With HIPAA looming, all Patient Health Information (PHI) that is sent outside our organization must be encrypted. Does anyone have experience with encryption and PHI data? We are looking into the future where other groups of people will also use this product to encrypt information that they send outside the organization. Any guidance on these products would be greatly appreciated. Mike Mitchell Systems email Administrator Alverno Information Services * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211 Education is when you read the fine print, experience is what you get when you don't! - Pete Seeger _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Encryption packages
We tried encrypting it for about a week. After so many complaints of I can't understand this e-mail you sent we decided it wasn't worth it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Weston Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Encryption packages OMG don't get me started on HIPAA. MY parent org is a healthcare member service org and the hoops they have us jump through to meet HIPAA compliancy sucks. We however did choose to encrypt the email because they often send SSN's and take patient care orders online. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Encryption packages You might want to read the HIPAA requirements again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Encryption packages Good morning, Outlook 98. Exchange 5.5 Windows 2000. We are a healthcare organization. We wre looking to implement an encryption package that is as easy as possible for the sender and the receiver. With HIPAA looming, all Patient Health Information (PHI) that is sent outside our organization must be encrypted. Does anyone have experience with encryption and PHI data? We are looking into the future where other groups of people will also use this product to encrypt information that they send outside the organization. Any guidance on these products would be greatly appreciated. Mike Mitchell Systems email Administrator Alverno Information Services * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *:(317) 783-9341 EXT. 6211 Education is when you read the fine print, experience is what you get when you don't! - Pete Seeger _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook 2003.
Oh man. They need to fix the traffic problem to the amphitheater before they do that :) It took me nearly 2 and a half hours to get out a few weeks ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. S Actually, they are sending two of us. :) Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Darcy Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:59 PM To: Exchange 5.5 List Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. And how does little old Clark County have the money to send their sysadmin to two conferences in one year? Sheesh!! Darcy Adams Sr. Exchange Administrator Getty Images Tel 206-925-6617 Cell 206-255-0169 http://www.gettyimages.com Where do you want to ride today? http://www.davidsonbicycles.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. So true Even then I have gotten conflicting answers. I have been told that we have purchased everything. I am just dragging my feet until there is service pack released for Exchange 2003. That is how I got buy-off for skipping 2000 and going straight to 2003. At TechEd they made it seem that the best path from Exchange 5.5 was to go straight to 2003. I am going to Orlando next month and will see what they say there. Thanks again. Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:10 AM To: Exchange 5.5 List Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. Check with your MS licensing rep for exact details. I was told that each Exchange 2003 CAL includes a license to use Outlook 2003, but not all of Office. I don't believe that you can use Exchange 2000 CAL's do to this, though. Again, to be sure, check with MS. They are the only ones authorized to quote official licensing. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:07 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Outlook 2003. Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. Does Outlook 2003 have the same licensing setup as the other versions? That is, I have an Exchange 2000 server, and licenses for Office 2000. Can I install Outlook 2003 on workstations using the Exchange CALs? Thanks, Erick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arlo Clizer Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outlook 2003. Sure, do it. Outlook 2003 is really nice. We are upgrading from 2000 straight to 2003. What a difference! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outlook 2003. We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and are looking at moving to Exchange 2003 and skipping Exchange 2000. We are currently running Outlook 2002 on our client systems. My question is... Are there any reasons not to begin moving our client desktops to Outlook 2003? Does anyone know of any compatibility issues running it against Exchange 5.5 or having clients with mixed versions aside from the fact that features that are introduced in Outlook 2003 will not be available to those clients that still have Outlook 2002? I have installed it on my desk and really like it once I have figured out where everything went to. I would like to start putting it on others so that we can have a more gradual rollout. Thanks Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A CHALLENGE to the List
I accept. MSG off list for contact info -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: A CHALLENGE to the List Well, it appears that a number of individuals from this list have chosen to engage in childish and cowardly ad hominem attacks on myself and Achieving Process Profitability: Building the IT Profit Center without ever even reading a single page of it. I have been in contact with Amazon.com so these reviews will be removed in the near future. I could take this opportunity to opine about how unprofessional, unfair, childish and cowardly this is, but instead I offer this challenge: I will send you a copy of my Achieving Process Profitability at my own expense for you to review. All that I ask in return is that you actually read Achieving Process Profitability and post an honest, impartial review of it's contents, not your personal prejudices, to Amazon.com and this list. I will only respond to indivuals that publicly accept my challenge on this list, just respond to this message and then privately email me your name and address. I have a limited supply of books so I will accept the first 10-12 responses to this challenge. All fair-minded individuals will accept this challenge and the rest of the pompous bags of gas will be exposed for what they are. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Creating an automated Bulletin Board System HELP
Well I don't know about using Exchange 2K and Outlook 2K but you're trying to create a bulletin board right? Take a look at Invision Power Board: http://www.invisionboard.com/ It's one of the best boards out there, best of all, unlike vBulletin it's free. -Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Creating an automated Bulletin Board System HELP I need to create an automated bulletin board system using Exchange 2000 and Outlook 2000. It needs to be fairly automated with people being able to subscribe and unsubscribe. ANY direction would be appreciated. Thank you Ron PS: Users are in a W2K domain. No outside access. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Postmaster question
The vast majority of mine happen to be address mistakes. So I skim them. If I find anything that gets my attention then I investigate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lawrence, Mitchell Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Postmaster question On this same issue, and out of curiosity, what are your general policies about reading the NDR's attachments to determine troubleshooting steps? Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)** -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Postmaster question Go to Servers- your server - Protocols - SMTP - Default SMTP server. Right click and select properties. Then go to the Messages tab. In the box that says Send copies of Non-Delivery Receipts put in the address you wish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry J. Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Postmaster question Silly question but I cannot find what I am looking for. I have postmaster set up to goto my mailbox but I am not getting anything to it. I even send a mail to a known bad address and I never get anything to postmaster. Where in exchange 2k do I find how to turn this on if its not on by default. I can send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get it fine but not getting any NDR's or the like. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Postmaster question
Go to Servers- your server - Protocols - SMTP - Default SMTP server. Right click and select properties. Then go to the Messages tab. In the box that says Send copies of Non-Delivery Receipts put in the address you wish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry J. Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Postmaster question Silly question but I cannot find what I am looking for. I have postmaster set up to goto my mailbox but I am not getting anything to it. I even send a mail to a known bad address and I never get anything to postmaster. Where in exchange 2k do I find how to turn this on if its not on by default. I can send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get it fine but not getting any NDR's or the like. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: List needed.
http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parker Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: List needed. Somewhat OT Can I get a good Active directory/win2k list please? John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: David J. Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cant create public fodler(plz help) Try new public fondle instead, doesn't work any better but feels great :) Hi all, Im having problem in creating Public fodles using ESM. when i click on new + public fodler it is not showing me the create new public folder screen.Rather it is sitting idle. Neither prompting error not creating public fodler. However, when i tried to create new folder using OWA it is reporting error in application log: [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed an operation on folder /O=4RT6JU8EXU/OU=137FRGJU9E/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=INTERNE T NEWSGROUPS on database First Storage Group\Public Folder Store (XCHANGE) because the user did not have the following access rights: 'Delete' 'Read Property' 'Write Property' 'Create Message' 'View Item' 'Create Subfolder' 'Write Security Descriptor' 'Write Owner' 'Read Security Descriptor' 'Contact' The entry ID of the folder is in the data section of this event. I have tried by giving Full control to every one using ESM. Still not able to create Public folders. I have installed Exchange 2000 server on WIndows service pack4.(Is ther any issues with service pack4). So waht i m supposed to do..Plz help me Thx regards satish jupalli _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Urgent Confidential
Sorry. I would, but I only deal with transactions larger then 50mil.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Baldwin
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Urgent Confidential
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am Mr. Onuigbo Baldwin Gozie, Bank Manager of Diamond Bank, Lagos
Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you
Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time (Fixed) deposited for twelve
calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty-five Million
Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to
his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a
reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation that Mr. Barry Kelly died from an
automobile accident. On further investigation, I found out that he did
not leave a WILL and all attempts to trace his next of kin were
fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that
Mr. Barry Kelly did not declare any next of kin in all his official
documents, including his Bank Deposit paperwork. This sum of
US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in the Bank and the interest is being
rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will
come forward to claim it. According to the Nigerian Law, at the
expiration of 6{Six} years, the money will revert to the ownership of
the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the funds
Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foreigner to
stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Barry Kelly so that the fruits of
this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt
government officials. This is simple;
1) I will like you to provide me immediately with your full names and
address so that the attorney will prepare the necessary documents and
affidavits, which will put you in place as the next of kin.
2) We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and
notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter
of probate/administration in your favor for the transfer.
3) A bank account in any part of the world, which you provide, will then
facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of
kin of Mr. Barry Kelly. The money will be paid into your account for us
to share in the ratio of 75% for me and 20% for you then 5% will be set
aside for any expenses that may occur during the transfer process. There
is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done
by the attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the
successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please
reply immediately via the private Tel/Fax numbers above. Upon your
response, which will include your personal Tel/Fax numbers I shall then
provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help you
understand. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest assured that
this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall
require your assistance to invest my share in your country. A swift
acknowledgement on the receipt of this mail will be appreciated.
Thanks and regards,
Onuigbo Baldwin Gozie Esq.
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RE: Urgent Confidential
Oh great. Now I suppose you're going to tell me that those pen*s
enlargement pills don't work.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Schotanus
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Urgent Confidential
There was an article a few months back in a local newspaper about some
people who reacted on a similar mail, they turn out to request headed
paper, bank account numbers, swift codes etc... In the end their savings
account was empty, and not the other way around... K/
-Original Message-
From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 18:03
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Urgent Confidential
Hundreds?
Wow! You could rolling in the cash if you just respond!*
Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
WAN/Internet Specialist
913-339-6700 x194
Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life!
http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=b4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68
*Note - I'm being factitious of course
-Original Message-
From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Urgent Confidential
We get hundreds of those every day. How did he get on this list? Did he
subscribe?
Kind regards,
Kim Schotanus
===
Kim Schotanus
Information Systems Manager
INTAS
Avenue des Arts 58
B-1000 Brussels
Belgium
T. +32 2 549 01 11
F. +32 2 549 01 56
===
-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 16:08
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Urgent Confidential
Onuigbo is my new buddy. Always wanted a lawyer friend called Onuigbo
From: Bob Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Urgent Confidential
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:04:26 -0500
WOW! 25 Million Dollars! SIGN ME UP NOW!
Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
WAN/Internet Specialist
913-339-6700 x194
Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life!
http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=b4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68
-Original Message-
From: Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Urgent Confidential
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am Mr. Onuigbo Baldwin Gozie, Bank Manager of Diamond Bank, Lagos
Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you
Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time (Fixed) deposited for twelve
calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty-five Million
Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to
his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a
reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation that Mr. Barry Kelly died from an
automobile accident. On further investigation, I found out that he did
not leave a WILL and all attempts to trace his next of kin were
fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that
Mr. Barry Kelly did not declare any next of kin in all his official
documents, including his Bank Deposit paperwork. This sum of
US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in the Bank and the interest is being
rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will
come forward to claim it. According to the Nigerian Law, at the
expiration of 6{Six} years, the money will revert to the ownership of
the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the funds
Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foreigner to
stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Barry Kelly so that the fruits of
this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt
government officials. This is simple;
1) I will like you to provide me immediately with your full names and
address so that the attorney will prepare the necessary documents and
affidavits, which will put you in place as the next of kin.
2) We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and
notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter
of probate/administration in your favor for the transfer.
3) A bank account in any part of the world, which you provide, will then
facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of
kin of Mr. Barry Kelly. The money will be paid into your account for us
to share in the ratio of 75% for me and 20% for you then 5% will be set
aside for any expenses that may occur during the transfer process. There
is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done
by the attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the
successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please
reply immediately via the private Tel/Fax numbers above. Upon your
response, which will include your personal Tel/Fax numbers I shall then
provide you with more details and relevant documents
RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue
You just run a really long Ethernet cable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue How do they work on airplanes? From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:10:02 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue Of course, this being an Exchange list, Im pretty sure you meant it was tough using Outlook locally on a laptop with Citrix. Sure enough it is. Well, in fact, its damn near impossible. We have both VPN and Citrix here and since we implemented Citrix, none of the laptop users use the VPN anymore or sync their files offline. For the end-user, Citrix is a no-brainer it seems. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue From within Citrix, its simply a matter of copying over the file you need to work on to your local drive on the laptop. - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Port 135 and Exchange Issue Makes laptop use a little tough though. From: Hague, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:23:15 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue Definitely more costly but it really works well. The setup and configuration aspects alone (client-side anyway) are much simpler and the performance is probably much better than a straight VPN solution. I think if you look it at all the factors there is a positive ROI. Jeff -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue That's certainly an option, but a much more costly one IMHO. -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Port 135 and Exchange Issue Have you considered Terminal Server or (better yet) Citrix? This works wonders for us - full Outlook Exchange as well as all the other apps we run. We only have a dozen or so users so far but my understanding is that Terminal by itself on one decent server (dual Xeon 2.0GHz/1.5GB RAM) is fine for 20 or so clients simultaneously. Beyond that, Citrix on top of Terminal is the way to go. Citrix also provides better support for local printers, sound cards, etc plus a host of additional functionality. Either 1 requires only a single port through the firewall which hasnt been blocked by any ISPs (yet?) and the traffic is already encrypted although I dont imagine its as tight as most VPN solutions. The other thing we found so convenient is the Advanced Terminal client which is simply a web page that loads the client software through an ActiveX control in an IE session. The directions to get our clients set up was litterally go to .whatever.com and follow the instructions. There is some work to do getting the apps set up properly but common apps like Outlook, Word and Excel are very well documented. Getting our custom apps running wasnt near as difficult as I had expected either. The big trick for us is handling profiles because some of our clients can not have access to certain apps that other clients need so we had to modify some profiles manually but with so few clients it hasnt been a big deal. Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Hank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Port 135 and Exchange Issue We are trying to recover from ISPs closing down port 135. We have an dedicated Exchange Server at a hosting company. 20 of our 23 people scattered around the country can not use the full functionality of Outlook/Exchange because of this problem. We are a classic case study of how a company has suceeded in business by using most of the functionality of Outlook/Exchange. We built our 3 year old company's communications, task management, and database using the Exchange Platform, including extensive use of custom 'forms' that track hundreds of tasks and our workflow. The ISP's closing out port 135 has brought us to our knees. We are scambling just trying to stay on schedule with our committments to our clients. I have no hope that the ISPs will turn open up 135 again, so I also need an alternative way to connect
RE: Sobig.F alert
Last time I checked they were human too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert I was S disgusted on Friday with our federal government's anti-virus policy!! I had to make a trip over to the passport office in Seattle to get a new passport for the wife, who was leaving on a 1:23pm flight that day for Chile. The passport office is an office of the Department of State. Does the Department of State computer security full under the jurisdiction of the Office of Homeland Security? One would think so. We had just made plane reservations with a credit card, received a confirmation number, but for some reason the airline couldn't send us a fax...I'm guessing they had their outside link to the world cut off for security. We get to the passport office on Friday morning, only to have them tell us that they couldn't process our request with just a confirmation number, due to the fact that the State Dept.'s computer network was down due to the Sobig.f virus!!! Arrrggghh!! Absolutely disgusting, shoddy, second-rate governmental attitude strikes again! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert I'm blaming the pizza I just had for the big jump in gas. -Original Message- From: Bill Kuhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Can we blame this virus for the big jump in gas prices today? -Original Message- From: Sagert, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Me too. Oh well, now we can still go the bar after work instead of staying and fighting viruses all nite. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert This is the most anti climactic virus ever. I want my money back -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Looks like my upstream has killed routes the all of theseway to go ISP. -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert 68.38.159.161 and 65.95.193.138 seem to be the last two standing unless ICMP is turned off on some of the other servers/pc's. Because that really wouldn't matter, the theory is that the infect machines are going to get their instructions from these 20 masters servers and then launch a distributed attack on the root DNS servers..1 minute left -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert well's that where My q came inChris even put up a piece which said they new about 20 servers ..18 OFFL, 2 ONL so then they have ID'd these things right? why not publish the IP and/or the domain names ..so people could block these too... it just say's about UDP port ..couldnt that also change on the fly? bill -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert wouldve been nice for them to publish the IP list so we could block it from our firewalls. Incoming and outgoing. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert If only Arnold wasn't running for governor. We could send him back in time to stop Skynet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert As if we all didn't have enough to do? -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert T-minus 10 minutes . Its the end of the world run for your lives... -Original Message- From: Sagert, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Yes it is. Since we are not sure what the payload is, we patched for the new MDAC security patch. Hey, who knows? Better to be safe than sorry. T-minus 20 minutes. -Original Message- From
RE: Sobig.F alert
Oh crap, I didn't think that anyone actually hooked Skynet up to the internet. T-Minus 30 minutes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Here is some more info on it. Should be an interesting afternoon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32475.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=1211e=1u=/nm/20030822 /tc_nm/tech_internet_virus_dcsid=95573372 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sobig.F alert FYI... http://www.f-secure.com/news/items/news_2003082200.shtml _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sobig.F alert
There's 20 master servers for this virus that are out there. F-Secure reports that 18 of them have been taken offline, but that still leaves 2, which might be enough. 9 minutes left -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Ok so Ive got this Q...some of the article say's about it downloading this Trojan from some server out there OK so..like does this then mean..that somebody has decompiled this puppy and found this out OK wouldn't they have found out where this server out there is? domain name? ip? somthing? just Q bill -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Here is some more info on it. Should be an interesting afternoon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32475.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=1211e=1u=/nm/20030822 /tc_ nm/tech_internet_virus_dcsid=95573372 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sobig.F alert FYI... http://www.f-secure.com/news/items/news_2003082200.shtml _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sobig.F alert
If only Arnold wasn't running for governor. We could send him back in time to stop Skynet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert As if we all didn't have enough to do? -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert T-minus 10 minutes . Its the end of the world run for your lives... -Original Message- From: Sagert, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Yes it is. Since we are not sure what the payload is, we patched for the new MDAC security patch. Hey, who knows? Better to be safe than sorry. T-minus 20 minutes. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Oh crap, I didn't think that anyone actually hooked Skynet up to the internet. T-Minus 30 minutes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Here is some more info on it. Should be an interesting afternoon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32475.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=1211e=1u=/nm/20030822 /tc_nm/tech_internet_virus_dcsid=95573372 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sobig.F alert FYI... http://www.f-secure.com/news/items/news_2003082200.shtml _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sobig.F alert
Because that really wouldn't matter, the theory is that the infect machines are going to get their instructions from these 20 masters servers and then launch a distributed attack on the root DNS servers..1 minute left -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert well's that where My q came inChris even put up a piece which said they new about 20 servers ..18 OFFL, 2 ONL so then they have ID'd these things right? why not publish the IP and/or the domain names ..so people could block these too... it just say's about UDP port ..couldnt that also change on the fly? bill -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert wouldve been nice for them to publish the IP list so we could block it from our firewalls. Incoming and outgoing. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert If only Arnold wasn't running for governor. We could send him back in time to stop Skynet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert As if we all didn't have enough to do? -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert T-minus 10 minutes . Its the end of the world run for your lives... -Original Message- From: Sagert, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Yes it is. Since we are not sure what the payload is, we patched for the new MDAC security patch. Hey, who knows? Better to be safe than sorry. T-minus 20 minutes. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Oh crap, I didn't think that anyone actually hooked Skynet up to the internet. T-Minus 30 minutes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Here is some more info on it. Should be an interesting afternoon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32475.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=1211e=1u=/nm/20030822 /tc_nm/tech_internet_virus_dcsid=95573372 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sobig.F alert FYI... http://www.f-secure.com/news/items/news_2003082200.shtml _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended
RE: Sobig.F alert
This is the most anti climactic virus ever. I want my money back -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Looks like my upstream has killed routes the all of theseway to go ISP. -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert 68.38.159.161 and 65.95.193.138 seem to be the last two standing unless ICMP is turned off on some of the other servers/pc's. Because that really wouldn't matter, the theory is that the infect machines are going to get their instructions from these 20 masters servers and then launch a distributed attack on the root DNS servers..1 minute left -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert well's that where My q came inChris even put up a piece which said they new about 20 servers ..18 OFFL, 2 ONL so then they have ID'd these things right? why not publish the IP and/or the domain names ..so people could block these too... it just say's about UDP port ..couldnt that also change on the fly? bill -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert wouldve been nice for them to publish the IP list so we could block it from our firewalls. Incoming and outgoing. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert If only Arnold wasn't running for governor. We could send him back in time to stop Skynet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steck, Herb Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert As if we all didn't have enough to do? -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert T-minus 10 minutes . Its the end of the world run for your lives... -Original Message- From: Sagert, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Yes it is. Since we are not sure what the payload is, we patched for the new MDAC security patch. Hey, who knows? Better to be safe than sorry. T-minus 20 minutes. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Oh crap, I didn't think that anyone actually hooked Skynet up to the internet. T-Minus 30 minutes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Sobig.F alert Here is some more info on it. Should be an interesting afternoon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/32475.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=1211e=1u=/nm/200308 22 /tc_nm/tech_internet_virus_dcsid=95573372 -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sobig.F alert FYI... http://www.f-secure.com/news/items/news_2003082200.shtml _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
Is that like sk8ter boi? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hutchins, Mike Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Loser boy. If you are gonna call people names, please at least spell the name correctly. :-) -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Oooohhhyou are sooo cool! Can I be your only friend because you know Exchange?? (what a dork!) I am not whiny or lazy or technically lacking thank you very much. I think you are lacking in other manhood areas and have to prove yourself by being the best at a computer software. Get a life.looser boy!!! -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We can debate my geek, nerd or friends status some other time. I don't have single thing to prove, Exchange wise, here Samantha. I'm a messaging services manager, running communications for a company with offices all over the world - my Exchange org. has a ridiculous number of sites in it. The people whose opinions I actually care about in the technical arena know what I know and/or can do. Go check the archives - you'll find that I used to be helpful. Still am, sometimes - just not to whiny, lazy, technically lacking people like you. You want nice? I'll let you know my private consulting rate, and I'll be nice. Hell, I'll even cook dinner. You want to post here with a complete expectation that someone else is going to do even the most basic research for you, and occasionally you're going to get someone like me pissed at you. You don't like it? Tough. Like you said in one of your last pieces of drivel, don't read it. -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server See, this is what I am talking about. You are a real classy guy..probably some geek, nerd with no friends! LOL -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We care because you're a time wasting, freebie wanting, idiot. -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 10:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thanks Tony for your advice. Why do you care what I ask on this listserv? I thought this list was for questions. Maybe the questions asked by people in this list seem stupid to you, but they are not. Who made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and which ones are not? If you are too good for the questions being asked on this list then don't answer. I don't know if all you do all day is work on an Exchange servers but I wear many hats here in the name of special education children and I don't have time during or after work everyday/and every minute to read books on Exchange server. I have picked up a few good books in the past few weeks and they are helpful and hopefully I won't have to bother this list.I wish for nothing more. But until I become a pro like yourself, I will look to people like yourself who know this stuff backwards and forwards to give some direction. I take great offense to your undeserved comments and wish that you could remember the days when you were learning. I was given this project and am doing the best I can. This list is for getting help, not a social event for buddies. It is a shame that you are not more patient. Thanks and I have appreciated your help in the past. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You really really need to get trained on Exchange or start reading books on it as oppossed to asking this list for every thing you do. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Why is it there though? Will services run without it? Why would M:icrosoft put that there? Thanks Sam -Original Message- From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Are you being funny? There is definitely a M: drive! What is that He's
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
Everyone, it's time for this picture: http://www.noghri.net/drunkenforums/imagemacros/retardarguing.jpg (Work safe) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You know, for just a minute, just a fleeting minute, I sympathized with you Sam. You original comeback to Gary was thought out well, communicated well, and tugged at my heart. Of course now, you have gone and called people names and are doing to Gary the same thing that Gary did to you, which was upsetting to you. Is this what you teach your Special Ed children? That getting angry and saying mean and nasty things about a person is ok if they did it to you first? Hey, I totally understand your frustration. Someone's breathing down you neck, expecting you to get this server up and running. I understand you wear many different Hats, most people on this list do. But, I don't understand how you choose to do the same thing to Gary, that has inflicted you with such pain; you should know better. I honestly wish I could answer your question for you, but I'm afraid I'm not sure what the question was now, but I doubt I could, as you were asking something fairly advanced. I suggest you do one of the following three things at this point: 1). Go to www.microsoft.com and research. Search through the Knowledge Base on pertinent keywords to your problem. Try many different words though, as MS may have your problem filed in a strange and weird way. 2). Call PSS. This will cost you about $300 I believe. But those people will be extremely helpful (and nice) and will be able to tell you how to accomplish what you need to. 3). Go to your boss, tell him/her that you cannot do the Exchange Admin job and suggest they hire a Contractor for the problems. You may even find a Contractor that will donate his time to your non-profit organization, if you promise to give him a letter detailing the amount of time he has spent working on your problems for the time you employ him. This way he can take that as a tax deductible item in his filings next year. Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Oooohhhyou are sooo cool! Can I be your only friend because you know Exchange?? (what a dork!) I am not whiny or lazy or technically lacking thank you very much. I think you are lacking in other manhood areas and have to prove yourself by being the best at a computer software. Get a life.looser boy!!! -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We can debate my geek, nerd or friends status some other time. I don't have single thing to prove, Exchange wise, here Samantha. I'm a messaging services manager, running communications for a company with offices all over the world - my Exchange org. has a ridiculous number of sites in it. The people whose opinions I actually care about in the technical arena know what I know and/or can do. Go check the archives - you'll find that I used to be helpful. Still am, sometimes - just not to whiny, lazy, technically lacking people like you. You want nice? I'll let you know my private consulting rate, and I'll be nice. Hell, I'll even cook dinner. You want to post here with a complete expectation that someone else is going to do even the most basic research for you, and occasionally you're going to get someone like me pissed at you. You don't like it? Tough. Like you said in one of your last pieces of drivel, don't read it. -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server See, this is what I am talking about. You are a real classy guy..probably some geek, nerd with no friends! LOL -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We care because you're a time wasting, freebie wanting, idiot. -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 10:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thanks Tony for your advice. Why do you care what I ask on this listserv? I thought this list was for questions. Maybe the questions asked by people in this list seem stupid to you, but they are not. Who made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and which ones are not? If you are too
RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
But it's very true -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thakkar, Nick Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server That's harsh.. Nick Thakkar -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Everyone, it's time for this picture: http://www.noghri.net/drunkenforums/imagemacros/retardarguing.jpg (Work safe) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You know, for just a minute, just a fleeting minute, I sympathized with you Sam. You original comeback to Gary was thought out well, communicated well, and tugged at my heart. Of course now, you have gone and called people names and are doing to Gary the same thing that Gary did to you, which was upsetting to you. Is this what you teach your Special Ed children? That getting angry and saying mean and nasty things about a person is ok if they did it to you first? Hey, I totally understand your frustration. Someone's breathing down you neck, expecting you to get this server up and running. I understand you wear many different Hats, most people on this list do. But, I don't understand how you choose to do the same thing to Gary, that has inflicted you with such pain; you should know better. I honestly wish I could answer your question for you, but I'm afraid I'm not sure what the question was now, but I doubt I could, as you were asking something fairly advanced. I suggest you do one of the following three things at this point: 1). Go to www.microsoft.com and research. Search through the Knowledge Base on pertinent keywords to your problem. Try many different words though, as MS may have your problem filed in a strange and weird way. 2). Call PSS. This will cost you about $300 I believe. But those people will be extremely helpful (and nice) and will be able to tell you how to accomplish what you need to. 3). Go to your boss, tell him/her that you cannot do the Exchange Admin job and suggest they hire a Contractor for the problems. You may even find a Contractor that will donate his time to your non-profit organization, if you promise to give him a letter detailing the amount of time he has spent working on your problems for the time you employ him. This way he can take that as a tax deductible item in his filings next year. Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Oooohhhyou are sooo cool! Can I be your only friend because you know Exchange?? (what a dork!) I am not whiny or lazy or technically lacking thank you very much. I think you are lacking in other manhood areas and have to prove yourself by being the best at a computer software. Get a life.looser boy!!! -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We can debate my geek, nerd or friends status some other time. I don't have single thing to prove, Exchange wise, here Samantha. I'm a messaging services manager, running communications for a company with offices all over the world - my Exchange org. has a ridiculous number of sites in it. The people whose opinions I actually care about in the technical arena know what I know and/or can do. Go check the archives - you'll find that I used to be helpful. Still am, sometimes - just not to whiny, lazy, technically lacking people like you. You want nice? I'll let you know my private consulting rate, and I'll be nice. Hell, I'll even cook dinner. You want to post here with a complete expectation that someone else is going to do even the most basic research for you, and occasionally you're going to get someone like me pissed at you. You don't like it? Tough. Like you said in one of your last pieces of drivel, don't read it. -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server See, this is what I am talking about. You are a real classy guy..probably some geek, nerd with no friends! LOL -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server We care because you're a time wasting, freebie wanting, idiot
RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution
Could you please show us what a googleplex is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution 1000 0 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Looking for POP3 Spam solution What's a google? From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:43 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Search on Google. I have seen products like that before. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution
I was hoping you would type it out :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution A googolplex is 10^1 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Could you please show us what a googleplex is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution 1000 0 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Looking for POP3 Spam solution What's a google? From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:43 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Search on Google. I have seen products like that before. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Watch Out - New Virus
Also: www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Ko Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Watch Out - New Virus http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_MSB LAST.A _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
Oh no, it's another flamefest developing. duck and cover -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53
RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution
It's one followed by a 100 googles worth of zeros -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Isn't that the new theaters down at the mall? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 20:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Could you please show us what a googleplex is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution 1000 0 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Looking for POP3 Spam solution What's a google? From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:43 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Search on Google. I have seen products like that before. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution
Try Spam Assassin: http://us.spamassassin.org/where.html It's free. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution www.nonags.com/nonags Look in their list of categories under internet or email and I think there's a whole section of anti-spam or ad-blockers in one of which I'm sure there's a freeware util that does pretty much what you want. I'll try and dig up more precise details when I get home. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 18:26 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Looking for POP3 Spam solution Search on Google. I have seen products like that before. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working)
In the properties of the backup job, our BU Admin has the Database and Logs (Flush committed logs) You have that set to full right? Not copy or differential? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working) Running Veritas Version 8.60, Rev 3808 against Exchange 5.5 SP4/Win2k SP2. Due to the loss of people within the company, I am having to start learning some of the BU stuff. Before, I have just let our BU guy configure it all. I THINK I know what the settings should be, based on what I have read on Veritas and on this list, but I'm going to list what I know and let you folks confirm or deny my knowledge. In the properties of the backup job, our BU Admin has the Database and Logs (Flush committed logs) option selected as the Backup Method (that's good). We also have it set to NEVER use the Open File Option (that's good too). Under the Selections tab of the BU job properties, under the Exchange server, the tracking.log option is grayed out. So he has selected: 1. The c$\exchsrvr\tracking.log directory 2. The MS Exchange Directory (should uncheck this option) 3. The MS Exchange Info Store These three items would appear to correlate to the three rules below in the Selection rules of the BU job for the mailbox servers, correct? \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\tracking.log\*.* /SUBDIR \\servername\Microsoft Exchange Directory\*.* /SUBDIR \\ERCEX06\Microsoft Exchange Information Store\*.* /SUBDIR From the main Backup Exec console, under the Tools / Options / Set Application Defaults property page / Exchange tab, the same backup method is selected. However, under the Restore section, we have 1) No loss restore, 2) Restore public folder and 3) Restore Private Mailboxes options all checked. Is this correct? TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working The Exchange Agent backs up the Information Store. You should be backing that up. It's a separate object. And you should be excluding the C:\Exchsrvr\*data (note wildcard) directories from your file backup. If you're running Exchange 200x, you should also exclude the mailroot directory and the M: drive from the file-based backup. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul kondilys Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Well, actually we are running veritas with the exchange agent, only thing is that the PRIV.EDB file is skipped. I thought that in order to backup the PRIV.EDB file you have to stop the exchange services? Any ideas? Paul -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Oh, the backup won't cause any problems. Not that it would be of any use... Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working It is quite possible to do a backup of Exchange 5.5 WITHOUT stopping the services. You either use NTBackup, or use a 3rd party backup utility with an Exchange Agent. If you decide to not use either of those 2 methods, you sure as heck better stop the Exchange services first, otherwise you will be attempting to back up an open database file as a flat file. Not good! Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Paul kondilys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Hello All, First, wanted to say that you guys have always been a great help in the past. I have a simple, but probably dumb question. I need some ammo though before I get back to one of my employees about what he's doing. Can someone just verify what I'm saying... It is not possible to back-up the PRIV.EDB files on Exchange 5.5 unless you stop the Exchange services right? One of my guys is trying to run a veritas backup that includes the PRIV.EDB file, and the file is skipped during the back-up operation. I advised him as to why it does this, and how to correctly do it. He still swears that it's veritas software screwing up... Any help would be great, Thanks Paul
RE: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working)
Ah right (puts foot in mouth) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy David Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working) Copy and Diff backups do not flush the logs so you wont see the (Flush committed logs) thing in the dialog box unless you are doing a full or incremental backup. - Original Message - From: Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working) In the properties of the backup job, our BU Admin has the Database and Logs (Flush committed logs) You have that set to full right? Not copy or differential? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Veritas BE Settings (Was: Auto Accept Utility stopped working) Running Veritas Version 8.60, Rev 3808 against Exchange 5.5 SP4/Win2k SP2. Due to the loss of people within the company, I am having to start learning some of the BU stuff. Before, I have just let our BU guy configure it all. I THINK I know what the settings should be, based on what I have read on Veritas and on this list, but I'm going to list what I know and let you folks confirm or deny my knowledge. In the properties of the backup job, our BU Admin has the Database and Logs (Flush committed logs) option selected as the Backup Method (that's good). We also have it set to NEVER use the Open File Option (that's good too). Under the Selections tab of the BU job properties, under the Exchange server, the tracking.log option is grayed out. So he has selected: 1. The c$\exchsrvr\tracking.log directory 2. The MS Exchange Directory (should uncheck this option) 3. The MS Exchange Info Store These three items would appear to correlate to the three rules below in the Selection rules of the BU job for the mailbox servers, correct? \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\tracking.log\*.* /SUBDIR \\servername\Microsoft Exchange Directory\*.* /SUBDIR \\ERCEX06\Microsoft Exchange Information Store\*.* /SUBDIR From the main Backup Exec console, under the Tools / Options / Set Application Defaults property page / Exchange tab, the same backup method is selected. However, under the Restore section, we have 1) No loss restore, 2) Restore public folder and 3) Restore Private Mailboxes options all checked. Is this correct? TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working The Exchange Agent backs up the Information Store. You should be backing that up. It's a separate object. And you should be excluding the C:\Exchsrvr\*data (note wildcard) directories from your file backup. If you're running Exchange 200x, you should also exclude the mailroot directory and the M: drive from the file-based backup. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul kondilys Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Well, actually we are running veritas with the exchange agent, only thing is that the PRIV.EDB file is skipped. I thought that in order to backup the PRIV.EDB file you have to stop the exchange services? Any ideas? Paul -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working Oh, the backup won't cause any problems. Not that it would be of any use... Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Auto Accept Utility stopped working It is quite possible to do a backup of Exchange 5.5 WITHOUT stopping the services. You either use NTBackup, or use a 3rd party backup utility with an Exchange Agent. If you decide to not use either of those 2 methods, you sure as heck better stop the Exchange services first, otherwise you will be attempting to back up an open database file as a flat file. Not good! Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Paul kondilys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk
RE: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves
What OS are you users running? Win 95,98 or ME? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Hello everyone. In our Windows 2000 Active Directory, we implemented a lockout policy that would lock someone's account after 5 unsuccessful logon attempts. Now we are having a rash of incidents where people's accounts get locked out just like that. The users do not make any unsuccessful logon attempts, they just login normally and then the account is locked. I checked and these users are not running any services or scheduled jobs under their accounts either. What could this be? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves
This happened to us here. We found out that their drive mapping were still trying to authenticate with the old passwords. So we disconnected them and then recreated the drive mappings. Problem solved -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dickenson, Steven Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Andrey, I ran into this same issue shortly after we upgraded our domain to Win2k AD last summer. Funny thing was, all the lockouts were coming from Windows 98 workstations. I could never put my finger on it, and in desperation finally disabled account lockouts. However, invalid password attempts were still being logged in the event view. Shortly after moving the domain over to native mode, the problem all but disappeared. Now that the majority of our desktops are running Win2k, I'll probably re-enable the account lockout policy and monitor the event logs. Strangest thing, and to this day my must frustrating mystery. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Hello everyone. In our Windows 2000 Active Directory, we implemented a lockout policy that would lock someone's account after 5 unsuccessful logon attempts. Now we are having a rash of incidents where people's accounts get locked out just like that. The users do not make any unsuccessful logon attempts, they just login normally and then the account is locked. I checked and these users are not running any services or scheduled jobs under their accounts either. What could this be? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves
It was from Microsoft KB. I'm not finding the article right now, but that's how I figured out what the problem was. I'll continue searching if you want. -Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne July Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Off Topic: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Chris, How were you able to determine that the drive mapping was causing the problem? We have a similar problem here, and can't find anything in the event logs that pinpoints the problem. It would be easy enough to test by disconnecting drive mappings, but I'd be happier if there was something definitive to verify that the drive mapping is causing the lock out. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves This happened to us here. We found out that their drive mapping were still trying to authenticate with the old passwords. So we disconnected them and then recreated the drive mappings. Problem solved -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dickenson, Steven Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Andrey, I ran into this same issue shortly after we upgraded our domain to Win2k AD last summer. Funny thing was, all the lockouts were coming from Windows 98 workstations. I could never put my finger on it, and in desperation finally disabled account lockouts. However, invalid password attempts were still being logged in the event view. Shortly after moving the domain over to native mode, the problem all but disappeared. Now that the majority of our desktops are running Win2k, I'll probably re-enable the account lockout policy and monitor the event logs. Strangest thing, and to this day my must frustrating mystery. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Windows accounts are getting locked out by themselves Hello everyone. In our Windows 2000 Active Directory, we implemented a lockout policy that would lock someone's account after 5 unsuccessful logon attempts. Now we are having a rash of incidents where people's accounts get locked out just like that. The users do not make any unsuccessful logon attempts, they just login normally and then the account is locked. I checked and these users are not running any services or scheduled jobs under their accounts either. What could this be? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking the Emails that come from yourself
Since we're on the subject, what have people been doing to counteract the p*rn messages their receiving that have images embedded in them? Just set up a block on the address or anyone have a more inventive solution? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Kuhl Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking the Emails that come from yourself James, appreciate you trying to think of a solution. It could be anyone emailing to work from home in our organization from personal email address. Guess I will have to try for a subject block, so far these emails have been about home loans. The spammers are sure getting clever. The message in the body is graphic and then there is a whole bunch of nonsense characters. Bill -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking the Emails that come from yourself Yes...Exchange version? I'll assume 5.5, since that's the only one I can address. With Ex5.5, in the properties of your IMS, Connections tab, Message filtering... button, add your domain name in there. You would add @luminet.net. If you are connected via VPN/dial-up, then you are connected internally to the Exchange server, which means any e-mail you send will be sent via MAPI internally or OUT through the IMS...it won't be coming in through the IMS. And if you aren't connected via VPN/Dial-up, then I would assume you would be sending from a personal e-mail address, in which case adding your company domain name isn't going to block that either. -Original Message- From: Bill Kuhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking the Emails that come from yourself Is there any possible way to block the spam emails that show you in the from? That is block and still be able to send from home account to work account. Bill Kuhl _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: hard drive space - OT Story
My boss doesn't know the admin password. Things are safer that way, though if I was to die or something like that he has a way to get the password -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space - OT Story Just wanted to pass on this little tale of mine: A while back, my boss in his infinite wisdom, decided to install some software for his APC Backup Units on the Exchange/Web server. While I frown on him installing anything more on this machine, like I said, he's the boss. Today though, when I came into work, he asks me, What is that pbeserver.exe process, it's eating up CPU time. I said, I don't know, will look into it. Well, it turns out that pbeserver.exe is the service that runs the APC software, and apparently it was stuck in an infinite loop. Not only that, but it's data file had grown to 8.01GB. Now, the only thing that saved us on not having exchange crash was that my boss accidentally installed this software on the Web share instead of where he usually likes to install programs, the Exchange share. So, the moral of this story is, for those of you that have complete control over your boxes, don't install anything that isn't priority #1 necessary. For those of you that have bosses like mine, well, try and teach them the best you can :) Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA WAN/Internet Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 Get a Life! Get TWO! Play Second Life! http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=b4ebbfdd6af98a027fa7e89a86c55a68 -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: hard drive space You can also run eseutil locally on a non-exchange server that has space on any databases copied over from the prod server. - Original Message - From: Henderson Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: hard drive space Redirect the temp file -Original Message- From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 July 2003 16:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space Great so what do you do if you have a 50GB data store on 60GB drives? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Yes, regardless of your Exch version. -Original Message- From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space Do you need the extra HD space to run an eseutil defrag on EX2000? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Is that before or after it falls asleep at 9pm? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space Then smokes a cigarette -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space That's not entirely true. What you need is non-whitespace + 10%(+/- a bit), not current database + 10%. The defrag process creates a new database and copies the data from the old file into the new one, then replaces the old one with the new one. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Brady, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: hard drive space You will need scratch space = current priv size + 10%. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Wed Jul 09 06:33:11 2003 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: hard drive space exchange 5.5 sp4 nt 4.0 sp6 how much free space should remain on drive where edb's are. I know to do an offline defrag you need space equal to the databases to perform this function. Currently databases are 6 gb and 1 gb with only 1.5 gb free disk space remaining. Store pegs cpu at 100% every 2 days. A reboot takes care of cpu for the next 2 days. Databases are not growing at increased rate. disabled av sw. Big problem. Biggest problem for trouble shooting for us is it takes 2 days for the store service to consume cpu. Usually my next step would be to replace databases with new ones to see if they are the problem as per MS. But I can't do this for 2 days or more. Need better Ideas. Thanks .+--xm
RE: how to cut down on spam
Nothing in life is ever 100%. I would be worried about any company that claimed their product worked 100% of the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam edoxs blocks 0% legitimate messages because they verify all entries in their filter are spam. Regards, Orin -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Well, you can set up the spamfilter to quarantine the filtered messages for later review and if there should be a legitimate message it can be retrieved. I don't think there are any spamfilters which blocks 100% spam and 0% legitimate messages. Freddie -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 25. Juni 2003 16:46 To: Exchange Discussions Has anyone heard or used the surf control product. It seems much more expensive than logstat ISP or XWALL. Can anyone mention any differences? We definitely don't want to block real customers from sending us email--just the spam. --- Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you want to take a look at this : http://www.logsat.com/SpamFilter/default.asp It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 23:38 To: Exchange Discussions Hi all... We are running Exchange 5.5 and as most of you we receive a lot of spam in the company. My company does not want to buy any spam sofware as it cost a lot of money. Is there anything built into exchange that will help reduce the spam? Is there anything that could be done on the Outlook Client that will reduce the spam? We are also running GroupShield. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how to cut down on spam
The country could go into civil war, so it's possible that you wouldn't pay taxes then since no one would be around to collect them. Unlikely but possible. Therefore I still stand my original statement -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Death and Taxes = 100% -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Nothing in life is ever 100%. I would be worried about any company that claimed their product worked 100% of the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam edoxs blocks 0% legitimate messages because they verify all entries in their filter are spam. Regards, Orin -Original Message- From: Freddie Soerensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: how to cut down on spam Well, you can set up the spamfilter to quarantine the filtered messages for later review and if there should be a legitimate message it can be retrieved. I don't think there are any spamfilters which blocks 100% spam and 0% legitimate messages. Freddie -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 25. Juni 2003 16:46 To: Exchange Discussions Has anyone heard or used the surf control product. It seems much more expensive than logstat ISP or XWALL. Can anyone mention any differences? We definitely don't want to block real customers from sending us email--just the spam. --- Freddie Soerensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you want to take a look at this : http://www.logsat.com/SpamFilter/default.asp It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa. -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 23:38 To: Exchange Discussions Hi all... We are running Exchange 5.5 and as most of you we receive a lot of spam in the company. My company does not want to buy any spam sofware as it cost a lot of money. Is there anything built into exchange that will help reduce the spam? Is there anything that could be done on the Outlook Client that will reduce the spam? We are also running GroupShield. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Not Open Relay, but...
I tested it using abuse.net's relay test. It looks like your good for not being an open relay. So my opinion is that you just have a spammer who's trying to mine for address in your company. From what I understand, there's a new program going around the spammer world, that bruteforce guesses e-mail address and collects the NDR's from that domain to determine what's legit and what isn't. My advise would be for you to trace back the IP address he's using and put it in your host.deny file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woods, Tony Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Importance: High I've tested via telnet and from home using Outlook Express and it always replies with 550 so I think I'm good there. Just the amount of mail is insane. I came in this morning at there's over 10,000 in the IMS Queue. I guess eventually it will slow down... Thanks to all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: Dave Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Not Open Relay, but... For #3, what you are seeing is spammer trying to find valid addresses @dfg.com by simply guessing addresses and trying them, your best bet would be to turn off the notification on your IMS for E-mail address could not be found. For #2, yes they will sit in the queue until they are delivered or just time out. For #1, are you sure you're not an open relay? See http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Preventing_Third_Party_Relaying_In_M S_Ex change_Server_55.html. - Dave - Original Message - From: Woods, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Hi John, Is this in response to my question #3? If so, does everyone receive over 2000 messages every hour in the 'Admin' mailbox with a subject line of 'Notification: Inbound Mail Failure? I understand getting some but over 2000 an hour? Each of these messages is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. It's just random letters in front of the domain name @dfg.com and there's just a ton of them. Thanks for any ideas, all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... NDR's (non-delivery reports) from spammer's probably. -Original Message- From: Woods, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Not Open Relay, but... Hello, NT 4 SP6a and Exchange 5.5 SP4. Domain in question is DFG.com I've just taken over a site's Exchange server and have noticed something strange. It's been sometime since I had to play with Exchange this deep but the Queues on my IMS keep filling up with 1000's of emails. We're not an Open Relay that I can tell (I've tested) but there's just a ton of 'Outbound Message Awaiting Delivery' with originator and Destination Host of different .com's. There is a ton of Inbound Mail Failures in the 'Admin' mailbox for delivery failures as well. My three questions are: 1) Are these messages that are trying to relay but failing? 2) If so, are they just going to sit in the Queue for the default time? 3) For the Inbound Mail Failures, a lot of them are going to bogus addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are these all coming from? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tony _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not Open Relay, but...
It's the testing one. Not the one that puts people on the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... boggle You tested someone else's domain at abuse.net without permission? You do realize that if it would have failed other tests, they get put on RBL's? Not a move I would have made. Yikes. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:19 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Not Open Relay, but... Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... I tested it using abuse.net's relay test. It looks like your good for not being an open relay. So my opinion is that you just have a spammer who's trying to mine for address in your company. From what I understand, there's a new program going around the spammer world, that bruteforce guesses e-mail address and collects the NDR's from that domain to determine what's legit and what isn't. My advise would be for you to trace back the IP address he's using and put it in your host.deny file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woods, Tony Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Importance: High I've tested via telnet and from home using Outlook Express and it always replies with 550 so I think I'm good there. Just the amount of mail is insane. I came in this morning at there's over 10,000 in the IMS Queue. I guess eventually it will slow down... Thanks to all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: Dave Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Not Open Relay, but... For #3, what you are seeing is spammer trying to find valid addresses @dfg.com by simply guessing addresses and trying them, your best bet would be to turn off the notification on your IMS for E-mail address could not be found. For #2, yes they will sit in the queue until they are delivered or just time out. For #1, are you sure you're not an open relay? See http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Preventing_Third_Party_Relaying_In_M S_Ex change_Server_55.html. - Dave - Original Message - From: Woods, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Hi John, Is this in response to my question #3? If so, does everyone receive over 2000 messages every hour in the 'Admin' mailbox with a subject line of 'Notification: Inbound Mail Failure? I understand getting some but over 2000 an hour? Each of these messages is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. It's just random letters in front of the domain name @dfg.com and there's just a ton of them. Thanks for any ideas, all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... NDR's (non-delivery reports) from spammer's probably. -Original Message- From: Woods, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Not Open Relay, but... Hello, NT 4 SP6a and Exchange 5.5 SP4. Domain in question is DFG.com I've just taken over a site's Exchange server and have noticed something strange. It's been sometime since I had to play with Exchange this deep but the Queues on my IMS keep filling up with 1000's of emails. We're not an Open Relay that I can tell (I've tested) but there's just a ton of 'Outbound Message Awaiting Delivery' with originator and Destination Host of different .com's. There is a ton of Inbound Mail Failures in the 'Admin' mailbox for delivery failures as well. My three questions are: 1) Are these messages that are trying to relay but failing? 2) If so, are they just going to sit in the Queue for the default time? 3) For the Inbound Mail Failures, a lot of them are going to bogus addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are these all coming from? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tony _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto
RE: Not Open Relay, but...
Your best solution is to find out the source of those messages, and then block the domain, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woods, Tony Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Thanks, Jim. Just so I'm clear, it's not uncommon to have over 10,000 messages sitting in the IMS queue after 8hrs? I have another site where the IMS has hardly any messages sitting in there so this is why I am concerned. What if I changed the MX record's IP address, would that help slow it down a little or are they just using dfg.com? Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Tony, Open up the properties page of your IMS Connection, go to the Internet Mail tab and click on the Notifications... button. My guess would be that you have the Always send notifications when non-delivery reports are generated radio button clicked. If that is the case, select the second choice and uncheck the options that you don't want. I receive anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000 ndrs a day, from spammers trying to brute force their spam through the system. I track the NDRs to create a spreadsheet for management, showing them the exponential growth of spam and the load it is placing on the servers, in order to justify new servers. Jim -Original Message- From: Woods, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... I've tested via telnet and from home using Outlook Express and it always replies with 550 so I think I'm good there. Just the amount of mail is insane. I came in this morning at there's over 10,000 in the IMS Queue. I guess eventually it will slow down... Thanks to all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: Dave Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Not Open Relay, but... For #3, what you are seeing is spammer trying to find valid addresses @dfg.com by simply guessing addresses and trying them, your best bet would be to turn off the notification on your IMS for E-mail address could not be found. For #2, yes they will sit in the queue until they are delivered or just time out. For #1, are you sure you're not an open relay? See http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Preventing_Third_Party_Relaying_In_M S_Ex change_Server_55.html. - Dave - Original Message - From: Woods, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... Hi John, Is this in response to my question #3? If so, does everyone receive over 2000 messages every hour in the 'Admin' mailbox with a subject line of 'Notification: Inbound Mail Failure? I understand getting some but over 2000 an hour? Each of these messages is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. It's just random letters in front of the domain name @dfg.com and there's just a ton of them. Thanks for any ideas, all. Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: John Strongosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but... NDR's (non-delivery reports) from spammer's probably. -Original Message- From: Woods, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Not Open Relay, but... Hello, NT 4 SP6a and Exchange 5.5 SP4. Domain in question is DFG.com I've just taken over a site's Exchange server and have noticed something strange. It's been sometime since I had to play with Exchange this deep but the Queues on my IMS keep filling up with 1000's of emails. We're not an Open Relay that I can tell (I've tested) but there's just a ton of 'Outbound Message Awaiting Delivery' with originator and Destination Host of different .com's. There is a ton of Inbound Mail Failures in the 'Admin' mailbox for delivery failures as well. My three questions are: 1) Are these messages that are trying to relay but failing? 2) If so, are they just going to sit in the Queue for the default time? 3) For the Inbound Mail Failures, a lot of them are going to bogus addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where are these all coming from? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tony _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Closing Outlook doesn't kill process - no pocket pc and will go back and apply service packs.
Does he have ActiveSync installed? I've had this problem before but I never had offline folders enabled, the only thing that solved it was a complete reinstall of the system -Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Closing Outlook doesn't kill process - no pocket pc and will go back and apply service packs. If the machine isn't a laptop, there's no real reason for Offline Folders anyway Disagree. All of my power users where I am now, and every other customer job I've worked on, has OST's setup for desktops. Allows a server to be pulled with less impact on them (it does happen from time to time...). Hell, I have one guy that's still running Exchange 5.0, with circular logging enabled - full OST's on five clients, and a static backup of the server. He doesn't take daily backups, and is fully aware that if there's a problem, to copy the OST's to PST's, etc. He's never lost a single piece of data. -Original Message- From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 09:09 To: Exchange Discussions You said that the user has offline folders enabled? Has synchronization finished properly? The OST file may have become corrupt which is causing background synch to hang the Outlook process. Does disabling offline folders fix the problem? If the machine isn't a laptop, there's no real reason for Offline Folders anyway (at least not until OL2k3's cached Exchange or Local Store mode) Joe Pochedley If you have time to do it twice, you had time to do it right in the first place. -Original Message- From: Michael Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Closing Outlook doesn't kill process - no pocket pc and will go back and apply service packs. I know the whole setup is a nightmare. If I had my way I would slick the thing and start it from scratch. I just have my hands full with this job as it is... I will get back in touch with you guys after I look at it in a day or two. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Closing Outlook doesn't kill process I didn't know you could upgrade from Me to W2k. Anyhoo, Office 2000 with Outlook 2002 sounds like a bad mix to me. Have you applied all the latest office service packs? - Original Message - From: Michael Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: Closing Outlook doesn't kill process I've got a client using a laptop that was upgraded to Win2K from WinME. They are using Outlook2002 and also have Office 2000 Premium installed. They are also connected to an Exchange 2000 SBS with offline folders enabled for their mailbox and calendar. When starting the system up and starting Outlook everything is fine. However if you quit Outlook and try and start it later the hourglass will run for a moment and then nothing will happen. I have discovered that after quitting Outlook the outlook.exe process stays listed in task manager's process list, and that killing this process will allow the subsequent instances of Outlook to run. I have already attempted a repair but this had no effect. I was hoping for some input from you guys and gals before I start uninstalling everything on their machine. Thanks in advance, Michael Wade ICQ: 4927289 Michael Wade ICQ: 4927289 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting
RE: how to cut down on spam
As far as something that's built into exchange 5.5 as far as I know the answer is no. But if you didn't want to buy anything, you could find a spare machine that you might have laying around, install the latest version of RedHat on it, and then put spam assassin on it. The only thing it would cost you is time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: how to cut down on spam Hi all... We are running Exchange 5.5 and as most of you we receive a lot of spam in the company. My company does not want to buy any spam sofware as it cost a lot of money. Is there anything built into exchange that will help reduce the spam? Is there anything that could be done on the Outlook Client that will reduce the spam? We are also running GroupShield. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SpamBelt
Agreed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SpamBelt Spam-by-proxy is still spam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: High Forwarded to the list at Stu's request: -Original Message- From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:26 AM To: Erik Sojka; Exchange Discussions Cc: Mailing company CC addresses deleted Importance: High Eric, You are ABSOLUTELY right, and I'm asking David to send an apology to the same list with an explanation. Up to now they have not answered my insistent requests. I'm getting very unhappy with their non-communication, and if this goes on, we will have to resort to other means. Thanks for the feedback, Stu -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Stu Sjouwerman Subject: RE: SpamBelt Thanks for the response, Stu. I'd like to add something. There are some other staff at my company who got the same message I refer to below (mentioning the IHS product, and requesting them to stop by at the MecEd conference). These people did *not* attend MecEd and should *not* have been on a list of people who were registered to do so. Yet they got this spam. Why is that? As to the response from David Cragg: If it smells like a duck then it is a duck. How would any right minded email administrator be expected to react to a message with a throwaway address as a reply-to? This tactic of using several domains in the headers, from/reply-to addresses, etc. is the exact same tactic that a chickenboner spammer uses. Why use them? Stu, your company's credibility as a whitehat supplier of anti-spam products is seriously on the line. From a spam recipient's or victim's perspective, what is the difference between your product and the way in which the ad was delivered vs. any of the chickenboners who are also spamming for an antispam solution? -Original Message- From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Stu Sjouwerman Hi Guys, We admit that this looked like spam a lot. I actually called the people who sent it for us and complained. The company who own this database and emailed it for us are MSD2D, they have worked for years for Microsoft building their trade show list and catalogs. That's why you are on their list. Here is included the answer from their Pres, who explained why it looks like this. - In response to your email today I admit that it has the appearance of Spam. We apologize for that. We usually send these type of announcements with our reply address but it was a last minute mailer and we had already use our regular mail box for our weekly Security newsletter. It was important that we get that notice out to people who we thought might be attending Tech-Ed as Sunbelt was accidentally left out of a proper position in the Microsoft Exchange Directory. David Cragg President - Understandably you assumed it was spam, with a juno address as the sender. Turns out this -is- what they use for their returns. An unfortunate choice to say the least. Hope this clarifies the situation. Warm regards, Stu _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange Question
A mailbomber? Sounds like an excellent way to get everyone to hate your company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Strange Question My boss asked me this morning. Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes until they respond to you? He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the behavoral issues etc. Avi We run exchange 2k and outlook client _ Avi Smith-Rapaport / MIS Director Star Supply Co. 1040 State Street * New Haven, CT 06511 Voice: 203.772.2240 * Fax: 203.865.7827 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange Question
Just let him know that you'll probably be blacklisted if he goes forward with this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Alright... That didn't go over so well. He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix. 2 willing participants. Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it, respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the person that would set the reminder intervals. confused? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, then call on his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds until he replies about you getting a raise. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Lol. Good answer Andy. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Strange Question Tell your boss you will call him on the phone every 5 minutes until you get answer. - Original Message - From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Strange Question My boss asked me this morning. Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes until they respond to you? He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the behavoral issues etc. Avi We run exchange 2k and outlook client _ Avi Smith-Rapaport / MIS Director Star Supply Co. 1040 State Street * New Haven, CT 06511 Voice: 203.772.2240 * Fax: 203.865.7827 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Strange Question
What's going to stop them from right clicking on the message - Junk E-mail - Add to Junk Senders? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Alright... That didn't go over so well. He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix. 2 willing participants. Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it, respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the person that would set the reminder intervals. confused? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, then call on his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds until he replies about you getting a raise. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Lol. Good answer Andy. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Strange Question Tell your boss you will call him on the phone every 5 minutes until you get answer. - Original Message - From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Strange Question My boss asked me this morning. Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes until they respond to you? He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the behavoral issues etc. Avi We run exchange 2k and outlook client _ Avi Smith-Rapaport / MIS Director Star Supply Co. 1040 State Street * New Haven, CT 06511 Voice: 203.772.2240 * Fax: 203.865.7827 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
RE: Strange Question
If it's so urgent why is he sending it via e-mail. Why not just call? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people. Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to be done it would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending him an idiotic joke. To me it just seems like a crutch for someone who isn't doing their work in keeping up with email if that is part of their responsibilities. I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever secretive reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I give someone what I don't know they want, but alas, this is where I am asking for advice for the gurus. You guys read minds right? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote. The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to be accomplished here? Is it to track that a user is sitting at his/her desk? To ensure that emails get read? To ensure that tasks get done within 20 minutes? What is the business goal that is to be accomplished? Mebbe there is a better solution that can be offered instead of an email kludge. -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions I envision a solution like this: Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb, whatever) where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered recipient - that would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag (flat file, database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient. The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient clicks on to acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag. Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders. -Original Message- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Alright... That didn't go over so well. He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix. 2 willing participants. Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it, respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the person that would set the reminder intervals. confused? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, then call on his cel phone every minute, then send him a fax every 30 seconds until he replies about you getting a raise. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Lol. Good answer Andy. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Strange Question Tell your boss you will call him on the phone every 5 minutes until you get answer. - Original Message - From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Strange Question My boss asked me this morning. Is there any type of program or something that if you send someone an email, it will resend the email let's say every 20 minutes until they respond to you? He has not told me why he wants this and I did have the discussion about the behavoral issues etc. Avi We run exchange 2k and outlook client
RE: Strange Question
Tell him you asked an exchange list. They said it wasn't possible. Case close, it's not worth waiting the time on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question All of these are great points but I guess it comes back to why does he want this so I can give him what he wants. Will pry further. Avi -Original Message- From: David J. Culliton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question If the explanation is correct - why not a rule that pops a dialog box on the desktop informing of the important email? -Original Message- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Thanks, but for whatever reason this is what he is on now. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question If it's so urgent why is he sending it via e-mail. Why not just call? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people. Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to be done it would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending him an idiotic joke. To me it just seems like a crutch for someone who isn't doing their work in keeping up with email if that is part of their responsibilities. I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever secretive reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I give someone what I don't know they want, but alas, this is where I am asking for advice for the gurus. You guys read minds right? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote. The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to be accomplished here? Is it to track that a user is sitting at his/her desk? To ensure that emails get read? To ensure that tasks get done within 20 minutes? What is the business goal that is to be accomplished? Mebbe there is a better solution that can be offered instead of an email kludge. -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions I envision a solution like this: Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb, whatever) where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered recipient - that would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag (flat file, database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient. The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient clicks on to acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag. Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders. -Original Message- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Alright... That didn't go over so well. He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix. 2 willing participants. Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it, respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the person that would set the reminder intervals. confused? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? -Original Message- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Then tell him you will send him pages every 2 minutes, then call on his cel phone every minute, then send
RE: Strange Question
Wasting...damn spell checker :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Tell him you asked an exchange list. They said it wasn't possible. Case close, it's not worth waiting the time on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question All of these are great points but I guess it comes back to why does he want this so I can give him what he wants. Will pry further. Avi -Original Message- From: David J. Culliton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question If the explanation is correct - why not a rule that pops a dialog box on the desktop informing of the important email? -Original Message- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Thanks, but for whatever reason this is what he is on now. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question If it's so urgent why is he sending it via e-mail. Why not just call? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Avi Smith-Rapaport Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question I was explained that it is more for urgent email from certain people. Like if the owner emailed to my boss something that needed to be done it would pop up in his mail box vs. someone sending him an idiotic joke. To me it just seems like a crutch for someone who isn't doing their work in keeping up with email if that is part of their responsibilities. I am not to know the true reason behind this, for whatever secretive reason, I know I know how ridiculous and how can I give someone what I don't know they want, but alas, this is where I am asking for advice for the gurus. You guys read minds right? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question As with many things, it all comes back to Ed C.'s quote. The bigger question for Avi to pose to his boss is what is to be accomplished here? Is it to track that a user is sitting at his/her desk? To ensure that emails get read? To ensure that tasks get done within 20 minutes? What is the business goal that is to be accomplished? Mebbe there is a better solution that can be offered instead of an email kludge. -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions I envision a solution like this: Boss points browser to a web server with a CGI app (perl, vb, whatever) where he enters a recipient (or picks a pre-entered recipient - that would help ensure it wasn't abused) and types his message. This app sends the message (via CDO or SMTP) and creates a flag (flat file, database record, etc) that records the time sent and the recipient. The app appends a URL to another app that the recipient clicks on to acknowledge the message. This deletes the flag. Yet another app (not web based, but scheduled to run every few minutes) checks for flags and resends reminders. -Original Message- From: Avi Smith-Rapaport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Alright... That didn't go over so well. He is sticking to his guns and is throwing this into the mix. 2 willing participants. Meaning, let's say that Erik decides he will accept this type of request from me so if I choose to I can send him an email and mark it, respond in 20 min, then if he doesn't respond in 20 minutes to me then it will re-email, or pop up a window on his pc whatever. The two willing participants definitely seems more like something, no? It seems to me like when he gets and email from certain people he wants it to go to some reminder type of a system although the sender is the person that would set the reminder intervals. confused? Avi -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Strange Question Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore? Can we go to mount Splashmore
RE: MS Purchase
Release to manufacturing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: MS Purchase Sorry william - rtm? Not read the manual? themolk. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 8:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: MS Purchase Exchange 2000 RTM. - Original Message - From: Steve Molkentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: RE: MS Purchase Ex2K3 sp1 ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: MS Purchase totally unrelated but MS just bought RAV anti virus . . . Any predicitions on how long until we see MS AV client/server or MS AV for Exchange? :) This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Virus Notifications to Sender?
For us the 1% just happened to be one of our employees mother. She was receiving those what was that strange message you sent? for at least 3 months from people. It wasn't until she sent a message here, got one of our virus notifications and then eventually asked me about it, that the problem got cleared up. This was some 70ish year old woman that uses her computer for e-mail, small time web surfing, the occasional online banking session, and the perfect target for virus writers. For me it's more then worth it if you can help one person from sending viruses to the rest of us. If I get accused of being a spammer for sending those notifications, then so be it. Don't send me viruses and I won't send you those notifications in the first place. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harmer, Michael Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? First, let me say that I understand what your saying if you are saying that you are concerned about the 1% and wish to help make the internet a better place by assisting them to control viruses on their computers. Now for my POV The one percent are basically causing the hardliners to spam the rest of us. Because most of the virus mail you receive is spoofed, leaving on the warning send back is the same as spamming. Basically you will be accusing someone of having a virus that they do not have, generating bad will between your company and the one you just spammed. I am speaking from person experience. One company late last week, sent us 5 e-mails indicating that we were infected with the active virus at that time. We were not infected, but because we are good admins, we sat down and verified that we were not infected, wasting our time. We knew the virus lied about the FROM address, but we checked anyway just to be safe. We then called the offending party(The company that spammed us). They told us we were infected and we deserved to get the message. Needless to say, we informed them what the virus does, and they said they could do nothing about the messages as they wanted to stop others from spreading infection. BTW, did I mention that their e-mail said that we wasted their time because we did not have a e-mail scanner on our systems? Needless to say, I will probably never do business with that ISP. They proved that they did not care about corporate relations, proper etiquette or virus control in general. The other problem with this is that the hardliners are propagating a 99% false positive system. If my AV system was that bad, I would get a new one. Heck my spam system does better that 3% false positive. What is worse is that the false positives are going to people who did not 'sign up' in the first place.(Hence the spam title) Basically, to me, this comes down to a matter of fairness. If the hardliners believe it is ok to call 100 people 'jerks' just because one of them has a foul mouth, go right ahead, but they will find it hard to make friends. If on the other hand, they instead pay attention to what your receiving and respond only where you have proof of 'jerkiness', they will have no problem making friends and they will make the community much happier. (No one likes a jerk) Michael - -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Yea but what about that 1% that has no clue their sending out viruses? SNIP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Virus Notifications to Sender?
A simple change in the notification could solve this problem. You could say your system might possibly be infected with a virus or something along those line. But the problem of spoofing your trying to get across is more of a problem with e-mail in general then with anti-virus software. What going to happen when p*rn spammers start sending messages to users as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harmer, Michael Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? Ah, but Don't send me viruses and I won't send you those notifications in the first place. is the flaw. They did not send you the virus. They mearly were member of some distribution list, had their e-mail on a web site, or corrisponded with the person that was actually infected. Unfortunatly, in your desire to 'assist' those that have no technical ability(A noble cause), you send many messages to people who have done you no wrong. 99 out of 100 times your sending someone a message that indicates that they are infected. This causes any responsible person to panic, scan their system, and find nothing. In the end this has as much or more 'cost' as most of the viruses put together. There is nothing wrong with sending the message if you are 99% sure the from or reply address is correct, but otherwise, your risking offending people and causing increases in costs for other companies and individuals. Here are a couple of possible situations that currently can happen. 1 : The CEO of your company is the member of a Senior Executive group and they have a mailing list. Someone who is infected visits the web site for the group, which has the posting e-mail list on it. You receive a infected message to someone inside your network. Your system replys with the 'Your Infected' e-mail. Your CEO gets a copy. He has his favorite computer savvy family member check his computer. The family member says that the computer is fine and that the message was incorrect. The CEO is displeased at the wasted time trying to fix a unknown problem. You get a memo the next day, one that I doubt would be plesant. 2 : Assume that your company values corprate relations. Some random person is infected with one of these spoofing viruses. They had visited the web site for a company that your company values in the corprate relationship sense. Note that the value could be any number of things. The other companies web site had a sales or management e-mail address for contacting them. This random person sends to you the virus with the other companies list address. You will be sending a message that WILL cause the other company expense and frustration. That WILL damage relationships with that company. Will it break them, probibly not, but you can not say with 100% certainty that it will not. Yes, the other company could have had a virus of the non-spoofing kind, but your job is to protect your computers first, and I assume you have done that or this conversation would not be happening. So it costs you nothing if they send you a virus short of the continued maintence costs for the software. Which you will have to spend anyway as there will always be 0 viruses in the wild. Responding that they have a virus in the case of a non-spoofing virus is fine, few would argue that it is not fair. However, the problem is that now the viruses are lieing about where they came from, so the increadbly simple rules of the past are no longer just or safe for our carears. What we need to do is get the mail monitor product vendors to get some smarts and add the ability to suppress mail back in the case of a spoofing virus. That way you could continue to crusade to end viruses and not risk anything. Untill then, I disagree with punishing innocent people and letting the criminal go free. - Michael - -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions For us the 1% just happened to be one of our employees mother. She was receiving those what was that strange message you sent? for at least 3 months from people. It wasn't until she sent a message here, got one of our virus notifications and then eventually asked me about it, that the problem got cleared up. This was some 70ish year old woman that uses her computer for e-mail, small time web surfing, the occasional online banking session, and the perfect target for virus writers. For me it's more then worth it if you can help one person from sending viruses to the rest of us. If I get accused of being a spammer for sending those notifications, then so be it. Don't send me viruses and I won't send you those notifications in the first place. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harmer, Michael Sent
RE: Virus Notifications to Sender?
True.after the arguments today my opinion on the subject has changed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? Chris, As much as I appreciate your POV, I will have to ring Ed's mantra in on this: There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioural problems. We must encourage (or train ourselves) all these kinds of users that we know that the Internet is not a safe place. E-mail cannot be taken at face value. E-innocence is long lost. It is not worth giving all those baddies valid e-mail addresses just because we want to protect Mom or Aunt Ethel. sigh My $0.02 (inc GST). themolk. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 1:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? For us the 1% just happened to be one of our employees mother. She was receiving those what was that strange message you sent? for at least 3 months from people. It wasn't until she sent a message here, got one of our virus notifications and then eventually asked me about it, that the problem got cleared up. This was some 70ish year old woman that uses her computer for e-mail, small time web surfing, the occasional online banking session, and the perfect target for virus writers. For me it's more then worth it if you can help one person from sending viruses to the rest of us. If I get accused of being a spammer for sending those notifications, then so be it. Don't send me viruses and I won't send you those notifications in the first place. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harmer, Michael Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? First, let me say that I understand what your saying if you are saying that you are concerned about the 1% and wish to help make the internet a better place by assisting them to control viruses on their computers. Now for my POV The one percent are basically causing the hardliners to spam the rest of us. Because most of the virus mail you receive is spoofed, leaving on the warning send back is the same as spamming. Basically you will be accusing someone of having a virus that they do not have, generating bad will between your company and the one you just spammed. I am speaking from person experience. One company late last week, sent us 5 e-mails indicating that we were infected with the active virus at that time. We were not infected, but because we are good admins, we sat down and verified that we were not infected, wasting our time. We knew the virus lied about the FROM address, but we checked anyway just to be safe. We then called the offending party(The company that spammed us). They told us we were infected and we deserved to get the message. Needless to say, we informed them what the virus does, and they said they could do nothing about the messages as they wanted to stop others from spreading infection. BTW, did I mention that their e-mail said that we wasted their time because we did not have a e-mail scanner on our systems? Needless to say, I will probably never do business with that ISP. They proved that they did not care about corporate relations, proper etiquette or virus control in general. The other problem with this is that the hardliners are propagating a 99% false positive system. If my AV system was that bad, I would get a new one. Heck my spam system does better that 3% false positive. What is worse is that the false positives are going to people who did not 'sign up' in the first place.(Hence the spam title) Basically, to me, this comes down to a matter of fairness. If the hardliners believe it is ok to call 100 people 'jerks' just because one of them has a foul mouth, go right ahead, but they will find it hard to make friends. If on the other hand, they instead pay attention to what your receiving and respond only where you have proof of 'jerkiness', they will have no problem making friends and they will make the community much happier. (No one likes a jerk) Michael - -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Yea but what about that 1% that has no clue their sending out viruses? SNIP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Virus Notifications to Sender?
Yea but what about that 1% that has no clue their sending out viruses? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Virus Notifications to Sender? We've turned them off. I'd guess that 99% of the viruses that we receive have spoofed sender addresses, and I don't see the benefit of hitting all those people with incorrect virus alerts. -Peter -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Virus Notifications to Sender? Live with it. - Original Message - From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Virus Notifications to Sender? Off topic. With the advent of Klez and various other viruses who spoof the sender we are starting to get complaints from users who are receiving the sender notifications messages from our ScanMail virus scanner who did not actually send any virus. I know we can turn off the notification, but then users who are sending viruses will not get notified that they are infected. Kind of a catch 22. I'm curious what other administrators policies are regarding notification messages to the sender. Have you disabled sender notifications or are you just living with it? Pete Pfefferkorn Senior Systems Engineer/Mail Administrator University of Cincinnati 51 Goodman Street Cincinnati, OH 45221 Phone - (513) 556-9076 Fax - (513) 556-2042 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Allow access to attachments
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/esecup/getexe.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David McSpadden Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Allow access to attachments Grrr. I have seen this article before but I can not find it. I have the attachments locked down on my Outlook Clients. I have a user with a need to receive an attachment. I can not find the right article to un block an attachment type .exe or something like that. Can anyone point me the the f***ing article please. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Help for a Newbe
Just one mailbox. That seems like a little overkill. How are you doing your backups? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Help for a Newbe I'm REALLY! new to exchange. I inherited a exchange server about a week ago. I need to restore a mail box. (Have not done before but have done some reading) I'll tell you guys how I plan on doing it and would you be so kind to tell me if I have left anything out. 1. build second exchange sever with same server name and same version and patch level. (Does it need to belong to the same domain or does it even need to be on a domain at all?) 2. Copy the priv1.edb and priv1.stm from tape to the restore server. 3. Mount database store and use the eseutil tool to create the pst for the mailbox. 4. import pst file into account needing restored. Are these 4 steps all I need or are there additional steps? Thanks for any input. Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Help for a Newbe
True, but from his situation it seems that he has a small server. BLB might be a good idea for you, but don't rely on them as your only backup option. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmila Fresco Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Help for a Newbe Brick level backups take forever though especially of you have big stores. -Original Message- From: Todd Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions If you didn't use the option to back up the mailboxes individually, your way is the only way to restore one mailboxI've been there before myself. I now back up the mailboxes individually. Todd -Original Message- From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re:Help for a Newbe Using Veritas Backup Exec V8.5. Full nightly backup of the Information Store and System State. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Help for a Newbe Just one mailbox. That seems like a little overkill. How are you doing your backups? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Plahtinsky Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Help for a Newbe I'm REALLY! new to exchange. I inherited a exchange server about a week ago. I need to restore a mail box. (Have not done before but have done some reading) I'll tell you guys how I plan on doing it and would you be so kind to tell me if I have left anything out. 1. build second exchange sever with same server name and same version and patch level. (Does it need to belong to the same domain or does it even need to be on a domain at all?) 2. Copy the priv1.edb and priv1.stm from tape to the restore server. 3. Mount database store and use the eseutil tool to create the pst for the mailbox. 4. import pst file into account needing restored. Are these 4 steps all I need or are there additional steps? Thanks for any input. Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
From previous list messages: There is no M: Drive The M: drive is not a physical drive. It's not on a partition exactly. It's a virtual drive created by Exchange. Pretend it doesn't exist. you don't need it. 5.2 Q: Can I back up the M: drive using NT Backup or another backup application? A: You can, but you will be sad. Do NOT back up the M: drive of an Exchange 2000 server. It can result in messages and attachments being inaccessible via the Outlook client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive ? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up the M Drive
Oh well, it's your tape, have fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive Well the first part I already knew, as I did state that in my own email, I quote There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. But as for using it as a backup source, its not something ive actually practised, it was an idea that I came up with. Now as ive attempted to do a restore of my public folders, and nothing is being restored, im pretty sure I could have done something with the physical files ive I had backed them up as well, so to be able to restore a little something with what I have available now (arcserve) than be able to restore nothing which is what has happened, I think I will backup the virtual drive in addition to the exchange agent. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive From previous list messages: There is no M: Drive The M: drive is not a physical drive. It's not on a partition exactly. It's a virtual drive created by Exchange. Pretend it doesn't exist. you don't need it. 5.2 Q: Can I back up the M: drive using NT Backup or another backup application? A: You can, but you will be sad. Do NOT back up the M: drive of an Exchange 2000 server. It can result in messages and attachments being inaccessible via the Outlook client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive ? If you have no M drive, I suggest that your Information Store is not running, and exchange probably isnt working ;) There should be an M drive, a virtual disk that is a representation of your exchange Public And Private Message store databases. Should look like this :- M: - Domain Name - MBX - CONTENT - - PUBLIC FOLDERS - CONTENT If for each server you want to backup you over-ride the Inherit Permissions property from the security settings and add Send As Receive As to say the Domain Admins group, youll be able to backup and restore using this virtual drive. Or so I think anyway :o. P.S. Did anyone actually work out where the servers inherit there permissions from? I looked up at all the hierarchy objects, but I find nothing that can be changed as a master for all the servers to inherit there security permissions from! -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2003 16:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up the M Drive There is no M Drive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Doody Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up the M Drive I honestly have come to conclusion today that my arcserve backups would be a lot better off backing up the M drive, and not using the Exchange Agent at all. Does anyone else get this feeling ? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
RE: Unbelievably Blatant spam!!
Please post his IP address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blunt, James H (Jim) Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Unbelievably Blatant spam!! Wow...I can't believe the cahónes on this guy! And he sent it directly to my postmaster account! What a dipstick. == Hi, Just wanted everyone to know we are back in the spamming business and can help you out again. Please reply to this email address if you would like to know more. Thanks, Satyr - To be removed from our very large data base please send a blank email with the word Remove in the subject line to any of the following addresses or all of them just to make sure: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: High Security for Exchange
Find one that you can trust? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: High Security for Exchange Anyone familiar with measures and procedures or software add-ons for high security internal situations? Our certain department would love it if even the admin couldn't see their e-mails. Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: High Security for Exchange
Have you told them that when they send mail out over the net, that it's transmitted in plain text? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Rehorst Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: High Security for Exchange I am the admin. They don't trust ANYbody. Regards, Orin Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: High Security for Exchange If you can't trust your admin, get one you can trust. - Original Message - From: Orin Rehorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: High Security for Exchange Anyone familiar with measures and procedures or software add-ons for high security internal situations? Our certain department would love it if even the admin couldn't see their e-mails. Regards, Orin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server?
I used to work at a testlab that worked on prototype HP netservers and other products. Whenever we had a single problem we would swap out the NetRaid card. If you have a spare one give that a try. If not then I would recommend making sure the firmware was updated. If that doesn't work for you then what slot is it installed in? If it's in #5 move it over to a more reliable one like #3. (I don't know why this works but it does) Do you have any other HP cards installed in there? Some of them have a notorious history of not getting along. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server? Hi all. one of my Exchange 2000 back-end servers is HP NetServer TC4100. It is pretty new, it only has been in production for a couple of months. Dual 1.4GHz CPUs and 4GB RAM. NetRAID-2M raid controller, RAID1 + RAID1 + RAID5. Onboard 100Mbs NIC. Currently there are about 350 mailboxes on it. OS is Windows 2000 SP3. Exchange 2000 is up to SP3. Every few days the POS freezes and I have to cold boot it. I think it usually does so when I back up Exchange with Legato networker. But the other day it froze in the middle of NTBackup. I hope that someone in here maybe has had good experience with HP Netserver machines to point me in the right direction. I myself is a Proliant type of a guy. Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server?
Let us know if you solve the problem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server? thank you everyone for great ideas! Gotta go put my flame retardant suit on and tell the users their server will be going down for 15 minutes or so :) -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server? I used to work at a testlab that worked on prototype HP netservers and other products. Whenever we had a single problem we would swap out the NetRaid card. If you have a spare one give that a try. If not then I would recommend making sure the firmware was updated. If that doesn't work for you then what slot is it installed in? If it's in #5 move it over to a more reliable one like #3. (I don't know why this works but it does) Do you have any other HP cards installed in there? Some of them have a notorious history of not getting along. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: kind of OT: what's wrong with my HP server? Hi all. one of my Exchange 2000 back-end servers is HP NetServer TC4100. It is pretty new, it only has been in production for a couple of months. Dual 1.4GHz CPUs and 4GB RAM. NetRAID-2M raid controller, RAID1 + RAID1 + RAID5. Onboard 100Mbs NIC. Currently there are about 350 mailboxes on it. OS is Windows 2000 SP3. Exchange 2000 is up to SP3. Every few days the POS freezes and I have to cold boot it. I think it usually does so when I back up Exchange with Legato networker. But the other day it froze in the middle of NTBackup. I hope that someone in here maybe has had good experience with HP Netserver machines to point me in the right direction. I myself is a Proliant type of a guy. Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM blockin software recommendations.....
Not too hard. If you want to give it a try and you have some questions, then msg me off list and I'll help you out -Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Helfer Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blockin software recommendations. How hard is it to set up Sendmail ? I had a hard enough time figuring out Exchange! Jim H Wendel, Jesse wrote: Out in the dmz we use qmail with a loop to spamassassin, for inbound traffic to our internal Exchange organization. If the email is ranked as spam, the envelope gets rewritten and sent inbound to a quarantine mailbox which gets reviewed daily by staff. We're grabbing over 10,000 spams per week, with less than one (1) false positive per week (yes, that is over 1/10,000 or better than . of reliability!) And with the Bayesian filters - http://www.paulgraham.com/antispam.html - enabled by default, spamassassin automatically learns what is spam for our enterprise, and what isn't. Not to mention that we can and do train the filters specifically for both non-spam (ham) and spam. Our users love us. And we love both qmail and spamassassin. Greatest thing since (insert your own metaphor here.) Jesse Wendel Sr. Technical Systems Analyst Primary Messaging/DNS Administrator www.pse.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blockin software recommendations. There are lists of them at http://www.slipstick.com and http://www.mail-resources.com. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SPAM blockin software recommendations. Good Morning, I am currently using Trend eManager to block SPAM(in trial version still), it is not appearing to be very effective. What are some other options for blocking SPAM? Thanks in advance. Brian _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations.....
This one works on the client level, but Cloudmark's Spamnet catches almost every piece of spam I receive. www.cloudmark.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations. We are seeing more and more SPAM coming through as HTML, which eManager will not pick up, do these other products work at stopping HTML encoded emails too? Brian -Original Message- From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blockin software recommendations. We use SurfControl's SMTP product and it works very well. -Matt Matthew Bailey LAN Engineer CSK Auto, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: (602) 631-7486 Fax: (602) 294-7486 Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. -Original Message- From: Brian Dugas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SPAM blockin software recommendations. Good Morning, I am currently using Trend eManager to block SPAM(in trial version still), it is not appearing to be very effective. What are some other options for blocking SPAM? Thanks in advance. Brian _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations.....
Yea but you can't beat the price of Spamnet. As far as taking up space, I just have the folder emptied on exiting from outlook. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akerlund, Scott Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations. I prefer to not let them hit my mails systems and so I prefer the SMTP products that I can load on a stand alone box. This way I can filter out as much garbage prior to hitting the mailboxes as possible so it is not filling up my IS. Products like Trend's ScanMail or MailEssentials Exchange/SMTP by GFI. Then all the porn crude, and blatant advertising never clogs up my mail system. That is my method of dealing with the madness anyway. Scott -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations. This one works on the client level, but Cloudmark's Spamnet catches almost every piece of spam I receive. www.cloudmark.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blocking software recommendations. We are seeing more and more SPAM coming through as HTML, which eManager will not pick up, do these other products work at stopping HTML encoded emails too? Brian -Original Message- From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SPAM blockin software recommendations. We use SurfControl's SMTP product and it works very well. -Matt Matthew Bailey LAN Engineer CSK Auto, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: (602) 631-7486 Fax: (602) 294-7486 Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. -Original Message- From: Brian Dugas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SPAM blockin software recommendations. Good Morning, I am currently using Trend eManager to block SPAM(in trial version still), it is not appearing to be very effective. What are some other options for blocking SPAM? Thanks in advance. Brian _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: L0pht Crack
Read the documentation that comes with L0pht crack. It's all explained in there -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rama Arumugam Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: L0pht Crack Hi guys, Has some one found a good tool as L0pht Crack to crack the passwords off of the SAM database in Windows 2000? I was told that L0pht crack doesn't work for Windows 2000 and it only works for Windows NT. Please advice. Thanks! rama _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT
I work for a Insurance company. One of our biggest priorities is the protection of patient information. Don't generalize a whole industry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Take exception all you like, for the vast majority of companies involved in health care, patient information is not a priority. Nice that it is in your organization, but yours is the exception rather than the rule I assure you. Think insurance companies care about patient confidentiality? Hell, they don't even care about patients. Security second to the pentagon? Perhaps taking a page from their book and setting up public and private networks initially would have solved these types of issues. If protecting patient data had been a priority from the get go, I'd expect this would already be in place. Instead, maintaining that confidentiality was an idea given lip service to while measures were put in place which were known to trade off security for expediency. As noble as your organization's intentions are, a thimble full of wine in a barrel of sewer water, still gets you a barrel of sewer water. That's why extremely restrictive regulations were enacted. On 2/26/03 7:19, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I take exception to your comments in your second paragraph that the reality is that companies don't really care about protecting patient data. I work in a hospital and have met many people from other hospitals through seminars, meetings, etc. To say that we don't care is patently false. Patient confidentiality is a priority, second only to patient care. Our hospital has zero tolerance for PHI disclosure. A nurse blabs to someone about a patient and boom! she's fired. I know, I've seen it happen. The trouble with HIPAA is that they seem to want hospitals and healthcare organizations to be almost as secure as the Pentagon. Our administration hired a big name outfit to give their recomendations. I had to read through 23 documents from them. And some of them, the suggestions, were insane. One suggested (although it said it was optional) searching all purses and bags that patients or visitors to the hospital. I guess they're afraid someone would sneak in a floppy to be used to copy patient data. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Not an expert on the science behind this essay http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224=easterbrook022403 http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224s=easterbrook022403 , but the idea of needing to use nuclear power plants to product the levels of hydrogen needed for 'clean fuel cells' seems to make the water is the only byproduct argument a bit disingenuous. Course as I said, I'm not an expert on the subject so I'm certainly open to knowing where the levels of hydrogen needed for such a thing would come from. Perhaps instead of replacing HIPPA, those companies subject to its regulations need to rethink how and why patient data would need to leave their environment and design secure systems (which e-mail aint) to facilitate that transmittal. Course the reality is companies aren't really interested in protecting patient data, just in being compliant with the various regulatory agencies which govern them. So, following the cheapest route to compliance they encounter the reality that cheap aint easy. On 2/25/03 16:06, Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew somewhere we were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I should have said Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the statement. As far as the pollution: Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of HFCEVs have been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal combustion engines in the 21st Century. Which I got from pretty much the first thing I could google up here: http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/altfuel.html _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto
RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT
All your trying to do is to start another flame war. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT Very hard to accept, considering the source. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT I work for a Insurance company. One of our biggest priorities is the protection of patient information. Don't generalize a whole industry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Take exception all you like, for the vast majority of companies involved in health care, patient information is not a priority. Nice that it is in your organization, but yours is the exception rather than the rule I assure you. Think insurance companies care about patient confidentiality? Hell, they don't even care about patients. Security second to the pentagon? Perhaps taking a page from their book and setting up public and private networks initially would have solved these types of issues. If protecting patient data had been a priority from the get go, I'd expect this would already be in place. Instead, maintaining that confidentiality was an idea given lip service to while measures were put in place which were known to trade off security for expediency. As noble as your organization's intentions are, a thimble full of wine in a barrel of sewer water, still gets you a barrel of sewer water. That's why extremely restrictive regulations were enacted. On 2/26/03 7:19, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I take exception to your comments in your second paragraph that the reality is that companies don't really care about protecting patient data. I work in a hospital and have met many people from other hospitals through seminars, meetings, etc. To say that we don't care is patently false. Patient confidentiality is a priority, second only to patient care. Our hospital has zero tolerance for PHI disclosure. A nurse blabs to someone about a patient and boom! she's fired. I know, I've seen it happen. The trouble with HIPAA is that they seem to want hospitals and healthcare organizations to be almost as secure as the Pentagon. Our administration hired a big name outfit to give their recomendations. I had to read through 23 documents from them. And some of them, the suggestions, were insane. One suggested (although it said it was optional) searching all purses and bags that patients or visitors to the hospital. I guess they're afraid someone would sneak in a floppy to be used to copy patient data. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Not an expert on the science behind this essay http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224=easterbrook022403 http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224s=easterbrook022403 , but the idea of needing to use nuclear power plants to product the levels of hydrogen needed for 'clean fuel cells' seems to make the water is the only byproduct argument a bit disingenuous. Course as I said, I'm not an expert on the subject so I'm certainly open to knowing where the levels of hydrogen needed for such a thing would come from. Perhaps instead of replacing HIPPA, those companies subject to its regulations need to rethink how and why patient data would need to leave their environment and design secure systems (which e-mail aint) to facilitate that transmittal. Course the reality is companies aren't really interested in protecting patient data, just in being compliant with the various regulatory agencies which govern them. So, following the cheapest route to compliance they encounter the reality that cheap aint easy. On 2/25/03 16:06, Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew somewhere we were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I should have said Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the statement. As far as the pollution: Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of HFCEVs have been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal combustion engines in the 21st
RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT
This is just my opinion on why it happened. From what I understand a few bad apples had some mishaps with patient information, the media gets a hold of this, blows it out of proportion, a few rep and senators decided to do something about this, because now it's been blown into this massive problem that threatens to destroy our society as we know it. Thus HIPPA was born. The safeguards were already in place, the industry was doing a good job creating solutions to protect patient data, but a few people screwed it up. Even with HIPPA in place those same people will be out there to screw things up, they'll find one way or another, and thus something like HIPPA v2 will happen, with the cycle continuing on and on. With the insurance side of this, protection of patient information is extremely important. Since if you screw up once and someone out there finds out about, there are a ton of other agents out there that will be more then happy to take that account away from you. Besides technology the bigger problem is the social side of patient data protection. Look at Kevin Metnick(spelling?), he used peoples trust in other people, against them to get the information that he wanted. What's going to stop someone from doing this? That's the biggest problem that being faced today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT I don't doubt that one of your company's biggest priorities now is regulatory compliance as it relates to the protection of patient information. If those involved in the health care industry had really been concerned about protecting this data for the sake of the patients themselves, wouldn't the safeguards already be in place? On 2/26/03 10:27, Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a Insurance company. One of our biggest priorities is the protection of patient information. Don't generalize a whole industry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Take exception all you like, for the vast majority of companies involved in health care, patient information is not a priority. Nice that it is in your organization, but yours is the exception rather than the rule I assure you. Think insurance companies care about patient confidentiality? Hell, they don't even care about patients. Security second to the pentagon? Perhaps taking a page from their book and setting up public and private networks initially would have solved these types of issues. If protecting patient data had been a priority from the get go, I'd expect this would already be in place. Instead, maintaining that confidentiality was an idea given lip service to while measures were put in place which were known to trade off security for expediency. As noble as your organization's intentions are, a thimble full of wine in a barrel of sewer water, still gets you a barrel of sewer water. That's why extremely restrictive regulations were enacted. On 2/26/03 7:19, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I take exception to your comments in your second paragraph that the reality is that companies don't really care about protecting patient data. I work in a hospital and have met many people from other hospitals through seminars, meetings, etc. To say that we don't care is patently false. Patient confidentiality is a priority, second only to patient care. Our hospital has zero tolerance for PHI disclosure. A nurse blabs to someone about a patient and boom! she's fired. I know, I've seen it happen. The trouble with HIPAA is that they seem to want hospitals and healthcare organizations to be almost as secure as the Pentagon. Our administration hired a big name outfit to give their recomendations. I had to read through 23 documents from them. And some of them, the suggestions, were insane. One suggested (although it said it was optional) searching all purses and bags that patients or visitors to the hospital. I guess they're afraid someone would sneak in a floppy to be used to copy patient data. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Not an expert on the science behind this essay http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224=easterbrook022403 http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224=easterbrook022403 http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224s=easterbrook022403 , but the idea of needing to use nuclear power plants to product the levels of hydrogen needed for 'clean fuel cells' seems to make the water
RE: Exchange server level encryption
Hasn't MS said that they were doing something with Exchange 2K3 to address HIPPA concerns? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hutchins, Mike Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption I would think so. -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption Doesn't PGP suffer from the same problem, where the recipients need to have a PGP key set up? Erick - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption I'll assume you are talking about SMIME encryption here. What you want to do is not possible in the general sense. You need the recipient's public key in order to encrypt their mail. You would have to have a predefined list of all possible recipients and their public keys. Even if you had this list, I know of no products that implement this (but then again, I've never looked) You could probably rig something up using PGP on a unix box as an outbound gateway. But then all your recipients would need PGP to read the mail. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange server level encryption Ok, my eyes are going crossed. I have been trying to figure out a decent way to encrypt all outbound email from our company. This is for compliance with HIPAA. Does anyone happen to have any ideas? I have googled and haven't found a product that looks right. I have searched for exchange 2000 encryption, email encryption, etc. Help? TIA Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange server level encryption
Except that none of our clients have heard about PGP. That's one of the problems with HIPPA, the solutions they want don't exist for a device that was developed back in the 60's (I think I got the time right, I'm not going to check though). It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. Same thing with e-mail and encryption. That's one of the reasons HIPPA deadlines keeps getting pushed back. Then with a solution like PGP you have to teach the users how to use it. That's a nightmare that I don't ever want to repeat again. Hell half of the users I taught have a hard time figuring out what the start button is, and it's right there in front of their face. The big problem with HIPPA was that it was designed by bureaucrats (who BTW were probably the same users that have a hard time with the start button thing) that wanted to do something to protect the people that vote for them. Except there wasn't a major problem to begin with. Sure there were a few slight mishaps here and there, but the industry was doing a fine job of learning from those mistakes and creating new solutions to prevent those from happening again. In addition to the design problems with HIPPA, you have the fact that it's become so bloated that no one knows exactly what it is or what you need to do. While you run into some so called HIPPA expert that says you need to do one thing, you can always find another that says you don't need to do that. Flat out HIPPA needs to go, and be replaced by something that's a little more well thought out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Yup. But PGP is one of the most widely deployed encryption packages and has software for various client and server packages. -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption Doesn't PGP suffer from the same problem, where the recipients need to have a PGP key set up? Erick - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption I'll assume you are talking about SMIME encryption here. What you want to do is not possible in the general sense. You need the recipient's public key in order to encrypt their mail. You would have to have a predefined list of all possible recipients and their public keys. Even if you had this list, I know of no products that implement this (but then again, I've never looked) You could probably rig something up using PGP on a unix box as an outbound gateway. But then all your recipients would need PGP to read the mail. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange server level encryption Ok, my eyes are going crossed. I have been trying to figure out a decent way to encrypt all outbound email from our company. This is for compliance with HIPAA. Does anyone happen to have any ideas? I have googled and haven't found a product that looks right. I have searched for exchange 2000 encryption, email encryption, etc. Help? TIA Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives:
RE: Exchange server level encryption
Lolah just was I needed after I got all worked up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption It sounds like HIPPA is hungry hungry for resources. -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Except that none of our clients have heard about PGP. That's one of the problems with HIPPA, the solutions they want don't exist for a device that was developed back in the 60's (I think I got the time right, I'm not going to check though). It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. Same thing with e-mail and encryption. That's one of the reasons HIPPA deadlines keeps getting pushed back. Then with a solution like PGP you have to teach the users how to use it. That's a nightmare that I don't ever want to repeat again. Hell half of the users I taught have a hard time figuring out what the start button is, and it's right there in front of their face. The big problem with HIPPA was that it was designed by bureaucrats (who BTW were probably the same users that have a hard time with the start button thing) that wanted to do something to protect the people that vote for them. Except there wasn't a major problem to begin with. Sure there were a few slight mishaps here and there, but the industry was doing a fine job of learning from those mistakes and creating new solutions to prevent those from happening again. In addition to the design problems with HIPPA, you have the fact that it's become so bloated that no one knows exactly what it is or what you need to do. While you run into some so called HIPPA expert that says you need to do one thing, you can always find another that says you don't need to do that. Flat out HIPPA needs to go, and be replaced by something that's a little more well thought out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Yup. But PGP is one of the most widely deployed encryption packages and has software for various client and server packages. -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption Doesn't PGP suffer from the same problem, where the recipients need to have a PGP key set up? Erick - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption I'll assume you are talking about SMIME encryption here. What you want to do is not possible in the general sense. You need the recipient's public key in order to encrypt their mail. You would have to have a predefined list of all possible recipients and their public keys. Even if you had this list, I know of no products that implement this (but then again, I've never looked) You could probably rig something up using PGP on a unix box as an outbound gateway. But then all your recipients would need PGP to read the mail. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange server level encryption Ok, my eyes are going crossed. I have been trying to figure out a decent way to encrypt all outbound email from our company. This is for compliance with HIPAA. Does anyone happen to have any ideas? I have googled and haven't found a product that looks right. I have searched for exchange 2000 encryption, email encryption, etc. Help? TIA Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT
Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew somewhere we were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I should have said Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the statement. As far as the pollution: Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of HFCEVs have been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal combustion engines in the 21st Century. Which I got from pretty much the first thing I could google up here: http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/altfuel.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT Chris Im curious how do you figure this statement? Next thing you'll drag in Hybrids ... It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. While I agree hydrogen engines maybe more friendly...they do produce pollution AND the infrastructure you correctly point out which is not there really WILL in fact produce pollution to make the pieces/stuff required for the cleaner part. Let me ask this..IF say you put a refrigerator in a sealed room...plug it in...leave the Fridge door openwhat happens in the room? there no free lunch...just more healthy... ;-) bill -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Except that none of our clients have heard about PGP. That's one of the problems with HIPPA, the solutions they want don't exist for a device that was developed back in the 60's (I think I got the time right, I'm not going to check though). It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. Same thing with e-mail and encryption. That's one of the reasons HIPPA deadlines keeps getting pushed back. Then with a solution like PGP you have to teach the users how to use it. That's a nightmare that I don't ever want to repeat again. Hell half of the users I taught have a hard time figuring out what the start button is, and it's right there in front of their face. The big problem with HIPPA was that it was designed by bureaucrats (who BTW were probably the same users that have a hard time with the start button thing) that wanted to do something to protect the people that vote for them. Except there wasn't a major problem to begin with. Sure there were a few slight mishaps here and there, but the industry was doing a fine job of learning from those mistakes and creating new solutions to prevent those from happening again. In addition to the design problems with HIPPA, you have the fact that it's become so bloated that no one knows exactly what it is or what you need to do. While you run into some so called HIPPA expert that says you need to do one thing, you can always find another that says you don't need to do that. Flat out HIPPA needs to go, and be replaced by something that's a little more well thought out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Yup. But PGP is one of the most widely deployed encryption packages and has software for various client and server packages. -Original Message- From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption Doesn't PGP suffer from the same problem, where the recipients need to have a PGP key set up? Erick - Original Message - From: Ken Cornetet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption I'll assume you are talking about SMIME encryption here. What you want to do is not possible in the general sense. You need the recipient's public key in order to encrypt their mail. You would have to have a predefined list of all possible recipients and their public keys. Even if you had this list, I know of no products that implement this (but then again, I've never looked) You could probably rig something up using PGP on a unix box as an outbound gateway. But then all your recipients would need PGP to read the mail. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday
RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT
Well the ideal pipe dream, utopia, ect, ect, pollution free society idea, you would use nuclear fusion to create the energy needed to create the hydrogen. But yes using current nuclear power plants cause pollution too, but then you have that trade off too. Nuclear power creates less mass weight of pollution from the energy generated then from something like a Coal power plant, but the waist generated from a nuclear power plant is far more dangerous if mishandled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT Not an expert on the science behind this essay http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224s=easterbrook022403, but the idea of needing to use nuclear power plants to product the levels of hydrogen needed for 'clean fuel cells' seems to make the water is the only byproduct argument a bit disingenuous. Course as I said, I'm not an expert on the subject so I'm certainly open to knowing where the levels of hydrogen needed for such a thing would come from. Perhaps instead of replacing HIPPA, those companies subject to its regulations need to rethink how and why patient data would need to leave their environment and design secure systems (which e-mail aint) to facilitate that transmittal. Course the reality is companies aren't really interested in protecting patient data, just in being compliant with the various regulatory agencies which govern them. So, following the cheapest route to compliance they encounter the reality that cheap aint easy. On 2/25/03 16:06, Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew somewhere we were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I should have said Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the statement. As far as the pollution: Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of HFCEVs have been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal combustion engines in the 21st Century. Which I got from pretty much the first thing I could google up here: http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/altfuel.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT Chris Im curious how do you figure this statement? Next thing you'll drag in Hybrids ... It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. While I agree hydrogen engines maybe more friendly...they do produce pollution AND the infrastructure you correctly point out which is not there really WILL in fact produce pollution to make the pieces/stuff required for the cleaner part. Let me ask this..IF say you put a refrigerator in a sealed room...plug it in...leave the Fridge door openwhat happens in the room? there no free lunch...just more healthy... ;-) bill -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Except that none of our clients have heard about PGP. That's one of the problems with HIPPA, the solutions they want don't exist for a device that was developed back in the 60's (I think I got the time right, I'm not going to check though). It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. Same thing with e-mail and encryption. That's one of the reasons HIPPA deadlines keeps getting pushed back. Then with a solution like PGP you have to teach the users how to use it. That's a nightmare that I don't ever want to repeat again. Hell half of the users I taught have a hard time figuring out what the start button is, and it's right there in front of their face. The big problem with HIPPA was that it was designed by bureaucrats (who BTW were probably the same users that have a hard time with the start button thing) that wanted to do something to protect the people that vote for them. Except there wasn't a major problem to begin with. Sure there were a few slight mishaps here and there, but the industry was doing a fine job of learning from those mistakes and creating new solutions to prevent those from happening again. In addition to the design problems with HIPPA, you have the fact that it's become so bloated that no one knows exactly what
RE: PocketPC sync w/ public folder calendars
This might be what your looking for: http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1jid=629FBC88D EE7966733ADFA79C4E656E9productId=27375optionId=1_2_2productType=2cat alog=30txtSearch=public+folderssectionId=0platformId=2 Here's the developers website: http://lookout.vonken.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michel, David Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PocketPC sync w/ public folder calendars I know this has been addressed but couldn't find the relevant results so I apologize in advance. Does anyone have a suggestion as to the best product to use so that a user can sync his PocketPC (we're not using MIS at this time) with a public folder calendar? The Blackberry uses Intellisync and it works great so I actually bought Intellisync for PocketPC only to find out afterwards that this functionality for PocketPC is only available if the user has full admin rights to the entire public folder hierarchy which won't work for us. Thanks. NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
