RE: Exchange and SQL
Sell the SQL box eBay. Use the proceeds to buy two new servers that are more appropriately sized to your environment. Have a beer. :) I doubt you'll have any performance issues, but you will at some point encounter downtime issues. In addition, you will be complicating your environment buy having two very complex services on one machine. It could make troubleshooting more difficult. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
And remember time is money... bill -Original Message- From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SQL Sell the SQL box eBay. Use the proceeds to buy two new servers that are more appropriately sized to your environment. Have a beer. :) I doubt you'll have any performance issues, but you will at some point encounter downtime issues. In addition, you will be complicating your environment buy having two very complex services on one machine. It could make troubleshooting more difficult. Steven --- Steven Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator The Key School, Annapolis Maryland -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
'cause they will be fighting each other for memory -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exchange and SQL
We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
to me if they are both mission critical app's leave them on separate boxes. why make your life harder and the potential failure for the business greater then it needs to be... machine are inexpensivetime is not... my shop it about that same sizeI wouldn't do it...I like the KISS principal .. to me certain things just should be shared... maybe in an inexpensive DR home grown type thing, lab..etc...production..no thanks bill -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SQL Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
My thoughts exactly. We used to have a bunch of Production servers at my old company that were running SQL, DB2, probably another SQL app as well. They were a bunch of P2-333 machines. They worked. Quad-proc, 4gb ram is quite a bit of overkill for a small SQL database like that. It's even overkill for your Exchange, but moreso for SQL. However, if you were to put Exchange on it, I would configure it with W2K Advanced Server (so you can utilize the /3GB switch in the boot.ini). Then when you want to upgrade to E2K (or E2K3), you've got Exchange on the right box. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:06 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Exchange and SQL Subject: RE: Exchange and SQL Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
The old Exchange box is a relic, it's going one way or the other and I wouldn't use it for solitare at this point. This whole discussion arouse when I put together a request for a new Exchange server. I don't think I am going to be able to win the argument to keep them separate. The SQL server was overkill to begin with now I'm going to have to live with SQL and Exchange on one box. I was looking for known software related issues that might help me with my argument but I couldn't find any. Thanks for the help, Scott. Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
Well you could accidentally turn off the SQL box and see what an uproar arises :) Seriously though, double all downtime for service because of this dual role. People will tolerate downtime for just about anything but email. Maybe if you remind them that every time there is a maintenance requirement on SQL, email will be going away also. By the sounds of the DB service though, you could probably get away running it on a software mirrored beefed up desktop. -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 15:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SQL The old Exchange box is a relic, it's going one way or the other and I wouldn't use it for solitare at this point. This whole discussion arouse when I put together a request for a new Exchange server. I don't think I am going to be able to win the argument to keep them separate. The SQL server was overkill to begin with now I'm going to have to live with SQL and Exchange on one box. I was looking for known software related issues that might help me with my argument but I couldn't find any. Thanks for the help, Scott. Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange and SQL
Maybe you could request a relatively small server and move SQL to it and then move Exchange to the old SQL box. -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange and SQL The old Exchange box is a relic, it's going one way or the other and I wouldn't use it for solitare at this point. This whole discussion arouse when I put together a request for a new Exchange server. I don't think I am going to be able to win the argument to keep them separate. The SQL server was overkill to begin with now I'm going to have to live with SQL and Exchange on one box. I was looking for known software related issues that might help me with my argument but I couldn't find any. Thanks for the help, Scott. Move Exchange to this box, move SQL to the old Exchange server? -Original Message- From: Scott Force [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange and SQL We have an SQL 2000 server with quad processors, 4 gigs of ram, and 3 raid configurations with about 200 gb of hd space that's basically being used to run a 2 gb database for about 20 users that will never grow. My boss thinks we should move our exchange 5.5 server (about 120 users) to this box (going to Exchange 2000 in a few months) because it's not being utilized fully. Other than the if we lose SQL we lose Exchange theory, why else is this a bad idea? Thanks in advance, Scott. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT - Exchange and SQL Clustering literature
Dear List Gurus, I have been asked to design and implement a solution with Exchange and SQL in a Windows 200 Adv Server Cluster. (Each of them running on a separate node, with fail-over in case one node goes down). I've already worked with this kind of solution but never implemented one right from the start. The cluster is composed of 2 HP LH-3000 with a shared array of disks. I'm looking for some good technical resources to prepare myself to correctly install the cluster and then installing and configuring both apps. Could you point me to some good books on this matter? I got something like 3 weeks until I have to start the installation... Thanks in advance, Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Exchange and SQL Clustering literature
Don't know about books, but here are some links to get you started: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/exchange2000/deploy/depovg/exonclus.asp http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q219264 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/sql/deploy/depovg/cluster.asp Note that if Exchange and SQL are going to be heavily used, you run the risk of overburdening your cluster. Generally, Exchange and SQL server are best implemented on separate boxes. In fact, you may get better performance by implementing these as stand-alone servers due to the overhead of clustering. And if you put in the right hardware configuration of disks and redundant power supplies, etc. you can achieve close to the level of fault tolerance as with a cluster. Dear List Gurus, I have been asked to design and implement a solution with Exchange and SQL in a Windows 200 Adv Server Cluster. (Each of them running on a separate node, with fail-over in case one node goes down). I've already worked with this kind of solution but never implemented one right from the start. The cluster is composed of 2 HP LH-3000 with a shared array of disks. I'm looking for some good technical resources to prepare myself to correctly install the cluster and then installing and configuring both apps. Could you point me to some good books on this matter? I got something like 3 weeks until I have to start the installation... Thanks in advance, Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT - Exchange and SQL Clustering literature
Thanks for the links Greg... Actually the hardware was already bought and the powers above just instructed that a cluster must be implemented ASAP, so I'll have to get it done... Just for you to see how dumb managers can be, they told me they wanted all their domains (54 companies, with 54 different sub-domains) to be hosted by the same Domain Controller I almost had a heart attack when I heard that. And can you believe that they kept insisting that it was possible, even after I said it wasn't? Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: sexta-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2002 19:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OT - Exchange and SQL Clustering literature Don't know about books, but here are some links to get you started: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodt echnol/exchange/exchange2000/deploy/depovg/exonclus.asp http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q219264 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodt echnol/sql/deploy/depovg/cluster.asp Note that if Exchange and SQL are going to be heavily used, you run the risk of overburdening your cluster. Generally, Exchange and SQL server are best implemented on separate boxes. In fact, you may get better performance by implementing these as stand-alone servers due to the overhead of clustering. And if you put in the right hardware configuration of disks and redundant power supplies, etc. you can achieve close to the level of fault tolerance as with a cluster. Dear List Gurus, I have been asked to design and implement a solution with Exchange and SQL in a Windows 200 Adv Server Cluster. (Each of them running on a separate node, with fail-over in case one node goes down). I've already worked with this kind of solution but never implemented one right from the start. The cluster is composed of 2 HP LH-3000 with a shared array of disks. I'm looking for some good technical resources to prepare myself to correctly install the cluster and then installing and configuring both apps. Could you point me to some good books on this matter? I got something like 3 weeks until I have to start the installation... Thanks in advance, Filipe Joel de Almeida Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
