RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-12 Thread East, Bill
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 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 John Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
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 Tigue Williams
 Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
 Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the 
 purchase. We are
 using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a
 SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the 
 BCV itself? 
 


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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Roger Seielstad
First off, don't drink the Koolaid that says BCV snaps of Exchange are a
good idea. At least not yet - not until there is native (i.e. written by
Microsoft) support for pausing IO and acquiescing of the database prior to a
snapshot being taken. Even then, it is NOT the zero downtime solution that
an online backup provides - because the database IO must be halted to bring
about a consistent database state prior to creating the snapshot. IIRC,
Ex2k3 or one of its service packs is supposed to support this functionality.

Add to the above reasons the aspects of what are lost on your production
database (page checking as part of the backup) and they're still not a good
idea.

I find it much more palatable to have a RAID0 array on-SAN that is used for
backups via NTBackup and then rip that file to tape. But its not a kewl
technology and no where nearly as 31337 as BCV and snapshots.

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
 enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
 usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
 BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with
 the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
 there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
 itself? 
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Eric Fretz
You get points for finding a way to work 31337 into an Exchange discussion
list.
Way to go you hax0r.

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
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fax:  972.772.7510



-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


First off, don't drink the Koolaid that says BCV snaps of Exchange are a
good idea. At least not yet - not until there is native (i.e. written by
Microsoft) support for pausing IO and acquiescing of the database prior to a
snapshot being taken. Even then, it is NOT the zero downtime solution that
an online backup provides - because the database IO must be halted to bring
about a consistent database state prior to creating the snapshot. IIRC,
Ex2k3 or one of its service packs is supposed to support this functionality.

Add to the above reasons the aspects of what are lost on your production
database (page checking as part of the backup) and they're still not a good
idea.

I find it much more palatable to have a RAID0 array on-SAN that is used for
backups via NTBackup and then rip that file to tape. But its not a kewl
technology and no where nearly as 31337 as BCV and snapshots.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
 enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
 usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
 BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with
 the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
 there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
 itself?
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Roger Seielstad
Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe when I
started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both backup
and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer to
set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI
concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it just
right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 John Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Tigue Williams
 Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
 Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the 
 purchase. We are
 using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a
 SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the 
 BCV itself? 
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Ronald Mazzotta
I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.  

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I
started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both
backup
and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer
to
set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the worst GUI
concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it
just
right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 John Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Tigue Williams
 Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
 Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the 
 purchase. We are
 using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a
 SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the 
 BCV itself? 
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Ben Winzenz
If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't
really used it.  I also used Arcserve and detested it.  The speeds with
Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use
eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface.  I much
prefer my BackupExec 9.0.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.  

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to
both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10
times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one
of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work,
if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John 
 Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue 
 Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: 
 Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup 
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap 
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about 
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We 
 are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating 
 to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV 
 itself?
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Orin Rehorst
The Exchange component of TSM works well...if you're a TSM shop.

Regards,
Orin

Orin Rehorst
Port of Houston Authority
(Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage)
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Phone:  (713)670-2443
Fax:  (713)670-2457
TOPAS web site: www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't
really used it.  I also used Arcserve and detested it.  The speeds with
Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use
eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface.  I much
prefer my BackupExec 9.0.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.  

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to
both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10
times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one
of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work,
if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John 
 Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue 
 Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: 
 Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup 
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap 
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about 
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We 
 are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating 
 to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV 
 itself?
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Jason Rader
We use Netbackup Datacenter 4.5 and while the interface is clunkier than 
backup exec imo, the speeds have been tremendous and the system itself has 
been very reliable.  Supposedly it will back up straight from  a san but we 
haven't hooked it up to ours yet.

Jason


From: Ben Winzenz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:57 -0500
If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't
really used it.  I also used Arcserve and detested it.  The speeds with
Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use
eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface.  I much
prefer my BackupExec 9.0.
Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418
-Original Message-
From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.
Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068
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Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to
both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10
times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one
of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work,
if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times.
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.

 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
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 Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
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 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

 Anything not from CA.



 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue
 Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To:
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 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We
 are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating
 to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
 itself?

 TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I concur. We have TSM here at Spherion and I am growing to like it. The
back-end of TSM is taken care of by *nix guys, so I don't know how easy
it is to configure and maintain it there. But on the Exchange server
side it is very straightforward and works very well.

Our Exchange servers are on a SAN, and we have recently implemented SAN
backup, with the tape drives residing on the SAN fabric. This way the
backup/restore data is not sent via the Ethernet, but rather via fiber -
it is very fast.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


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From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

The Exchange component of TSM works well...if you're a TSM shop.

Regards,
Orin

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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:29 AM
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If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't
really used it.  I also used Arcserve and detested it.  The speeds with
Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use
eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface.  I much
prefer my BackupExec 9.0.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.  

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068

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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to
both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10
times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one
of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work,
if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John 
 Matteson
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Anything not from CA. 
 
 
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue 
 Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: 
 Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
 Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup 
 solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap 
 backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about 
 these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We 
 are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating 
 to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV 
 itself?
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I think Netbackup allows tape multiplexing which greatly increases
backup speeds, but could be a pain during restores - data would need to
be de-multiplexed.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Jason Rader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

We use Netbackup Datacenter 4.5 and while the interface is clunkier than

backup exec imo, the speeds have been tremendous and the system itself
has 
been very reliable.  Supposedly it will back up straight from  a san but
we 
haven't hooked it up to ours yet.

Jason


From: Ben Winzenz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:57 -0500

If you haven't used the latest version of BackupExec, then you haven't
really used it.  I also used Arcserve and detested it.  The speeds with
Arcserve were slow, I couldn't do a restore without having to use
eseutil and/or isinteg, and I also didn't like the interface.  I much
prefer my BackupExec 9.0.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are excellent
I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
problem with it.

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange

Have you seen a mental health professional lately?

I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
when I started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to
both backup and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10
times longer to set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one
of the worst GUI concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work,
if you beat it just right, in the right sequence, at the right times.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


  -Original Message-
  From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
  Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
 
  Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
  Director of IT
  Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
  101 Eisenhower pky
  Roseland NJ, 07068
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
  Matteson
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
  Anything not from CA.
 
 
 
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue
  Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To:
  Exchange Discussion List
  Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
  Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
  We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
  solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also
snap
  backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
  these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We
  are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating
  to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
  itself?
 
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Roger Seielstad
I'm still partial to doing a manual rotation scheme, but maybe that's just
old school. I also have a large number of systems for which we do daily full
backups. I also prefer to do differentials rather than incrementals, which
means GFS doesn't usually work so well.

Roger
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 -Original Message-
 From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 
 I have used both veritas and CA and I must say while both are 
 excellent
 I prefer the GFS rotation of CA.  As far as the interface I have no
 problem with it.  
 
 Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
 Director of IT
 Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
 101 Eisenhower pky
 Roseland NJ, 07068
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
 Seielstad
 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:01 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
 
 Have you seen a mental health professional lately?
 
 I had the decidedly unfortunate experience to have inherited ArcServe
 when I
 started here. And I'll freely admit that I was able to get it to both
 backup
 and restore both files and Exchange databases. It took 10 times longer
 to
 set up and administer than BackupExec had, and had one of the 
 worst GUI
 concepts I've ever seen in a product. But it did work, if you beat it
 just
 right, in the right sequence, at the right times.
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis Inc.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
  
  
  Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.
  
  Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
  Director of IT
  Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
  101 Eisenhower pky
  Roseland NJ, 07068
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  John Matteson
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange
  
  Anything not from CA. 
  
  
  
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
  
  
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Tigue Williams
  Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
  Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
  Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
  Subject: Best backup software for Exchange
  
  
  We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
  solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and 
 also snap
  backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
  these two products before we actually go ahead with the 
  purchase. We are
  using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are 
 migrating to a
  SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the 
  BCV itself? 
  
  TIA
  
  
  
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread ehansen
We are very happy with Commvault Galaxy, but your not looking at that.

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We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
itself? 

TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
He should change the direction of his scope.  :)



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We are very happy with Commvault Galaxy, but your not looking at that.

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We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
itself? 

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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Jim Sullivan
In the past 5 years we went from CA ArcServe to Veritas BackupExec to
CommVault Galaxy.  We are very happy with the CommVault solution.  We backup
over SAN fiber fabric, a dedicated GB backend server network and the user's
100MB network. It is very fast and resilient.  It is worth your time to look
at this.   My test recovery of Exchange 5.5 has been flawless in each of my
4 tests. I expect the same when we migrate to Exchange 2003 this year.

-Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-11 Thread Shotton Jolyon
We also use TSM and it is great for our Exchange 5.5 system or anything else
with few but large files.

It's pretty easy to work with once you get used to it.

We're going to have to mess around with our SAN config to allow for a
restore domain for Exchange 2000 but that's our problem (as is the reason
we're going to Exchange 2000  not 2003 - as it happens it looks like we
might even have a 2003 server for doing restores of our Exchange 2000 system
- batty but not my decision and not relevant, I realise).

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Sent: 11 December 2003 15:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


I concur. We have TSM here at Spherion and I am growing to like it. The
back-end of TSM is taken care of by *nix guys, so I don't know how easy
it is to configure and maintain it there. But on the Exchange server
side it is very straightforward and works very well.

Our Exchange servers are on a SAN, and we have recently implemented SAN
backup, with the tape drives residing on the SAN fabric. This way the
backup/restore data is not sent via the Ethernet, but rather via fiber -
it is very fast.


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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Fuggetaboutmailboxbackup.

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From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange

We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread Eric Fretz
I give you one point for attention-to-detail, but none for originality.  

If you had done that in Ada or COBOL, now THAT would have been funny.


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-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange


if (mailboxbackup == bricklevelbackup)
{
  mailboxbackup = bad;
} else
{
  buy(backupexec);
}

Steven
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The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

-Original Message-
From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
itself? 

TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread John Matteson
Anything not from CA. 



John Matteson
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(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


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Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are
using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a
SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? 

TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread Ronald Mazzotta
Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
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Anything not from CA. 



John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams
Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup
solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap
backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are
using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a
SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? 

TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread Martin Blackstone
You are officially black listed 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:28 PM
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Funny you should say that.  I love my CA Arcserve.

Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr.
Director of IT
Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky  Co. L.L.C.
101 Eisenhower pky
Roseland NJ, 07068
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM
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Anything not from CA. 



John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


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Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange


We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions.
We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before
we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go
with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do
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TIA



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RE: Best backup software for Exchange

2003-12-10 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
You might want to take a look at Commvault Galaxy:

Restores single messages. Finds lost message, note, contact and more on
key parameters via wildcards. Backs up and restores with single instance
store.

http://www.commvault.com/products.asp?pid=1



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From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Best backup software for Exchange

We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for
enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the
usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN
BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about
these two products before we actually go ahead with
the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with
2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is
there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV
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TIA



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