RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
Translation for the reading impared: Don't listen to me -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
Partial data dump. Maybe more will come later, but there is a lot of stuff in the archives. 1. Messaging Collaboration Both are poorly defined. There are really at least three distinctly different things that people mean when they use the term messaging, and probably many more. One kind of messaging is about RFC 822 and friends. It is simple body part 3 e-mail, with a possibility of attachments. It includes the X.400 and proprietary systems too, but the RFC's define the core of reality. A second kind deals with low level application components talking to each other, usually through a brokerage service such as CORBA or COM. It gets confused with RFC 822 messaging because there is such a thing as message enabled applications. Actually there are two kinds. One uses high level applications like spreadsheets and databases talking to each other via e-mail. The other happens at the level of C libraries. Unfortunately, both use the exact same name (message enabled applications) so much of the literature about this topic is confused gibberish and tripe (that's being kind). The third kind of messaging is a generic reference to the realm of tools that come with Exchange and Notes, and includes all of that stuff that we expect a messaging system to take care of. Which gets us into collaboration. Collaboration is seamless communication that permits mixing voice, video, and data at will, as needed, in real-time or on a store and forward basis, all supported by appropriate notification and alert services, and most importantly end user policy enforcement point (PEP) tools (think rules engines). 2. Unified Messaging Oh sys admin, where art thou? There is a line in the film where Junior tells Pappy that we gotta get some of that reform. Unified Messaging is sort of like that. One of the positive attributes of X.400 (1988 or later) was that it did a very good job of generalizing the e-mail kind of messaging services. The RFC's have copied that poorly, but the basic idea is that there is no real difference between e-mail, voice-mail, fax, video mail, or higher level message enabled applications messages. They are all simply specific cases of the same thing. Unified messaging means treating them as such. So, a message store should not care what the message types are that it contains, except of course that it should be able to identify the message types by attribute. It is absolutely ludicrous to talk about unified messaging and non-integrated or separate message stores. And yet, when it became popular to talk about unified messaging a few years ago, all of the vendors of the legacy systems said we gotta get some of that unified messaging. In fact, with perfectly straight faces, all of these turkeys began claiming that their legacy products already had it. It really was that silly, and almost exactly as portrayed in the movie. But even more pathetic, was that most of the customer community bought all of that nonsense, and people actually began calling all sorts of non-unified systems unified. It was sickening. It still is. Using one client to view multiple non-integrated message stores is not unified messaging, even if you can name three vendors that say it is. But I concede, you can never underestimate the gullibility of an IS techie. 1. Why it is happening (who it is for)? Let's face it, no one would start from scratch and invent DTMF, ISDN, the IEEE 802.3 family, voice mail, e-mail, FAX and FAX data as a family of solutions for equipping the Enterprise. The Klingons would win every time. In many ways it is about cleaning up the past 130 years of electronic communications systems and getting to something that makes sense in the current era. 2. Who is making it happening (vendors)? No. You are. All technology expands and reaches critical mass based on demand. Ask anyone who lost money in the .COM bust. At the end of the day, sales drive everything. 3. How is it happening (solutions)? One desktop or mobile user at a time. More later. -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
FYIO: Yukon is not the code name for the next Exchange version. You might want to check with the source you got this information from. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? TIA --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? TIA --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
But,but! The magazine on the plane said that the next version will be SQL based and wireless! ;) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? TIA --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient
RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging)
But will it warm the syrup for my waffles? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) But,but! The magazine on the plane said that the next version will be SQL based and wireless! ;) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? TIA --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =20 TIA =20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =20 TIA =20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard
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Ok, when would that be? You probably know we are all a fan of your mini-novels. Looking forward to the data dump :) Regards, Leonard Lee A Fan of Ok, when would that be? You probably know we are all a fan of your mini-novels. Looking forward to the data dump :) Regards, Leonard Lee A Fan of Craig Dupler's famous Data Dumps -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =20 TIA =20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I
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I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones
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I am still waiting to hear from some other guys on the SQL Dev team. But I suspect that there is some gag order. Happy to help you Ed! --Felicity Gee, thanks for the insight! That certainly clears evrything up! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing
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Maybe they will let you borrow one of their gags. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I am still waiting to hear from some other guys on the SQL Dev team. But I suspect that there is some gag order. Happy to help you Ed! --Felicity Gee, thanks for the insight! That certainly clears evrything up! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98
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I just heard back from one of my contacts at the insert guv'ment agency that does not exist and they said you were a Troll. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified
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lol You made my day, Ed ;-) Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Gee, thanks for the insight! That certainly clears evrything up! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William
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Aren't the people who actually know the answer are under some Non-disclosure type agreement, so any commentary about it at this point is speculative at best and as you've proven, prone to inaccuracy, intentional or otherwise? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? TIA --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Felicity Smith Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Microsoft has from time to time said some things on the record that were later determined to be within the scope of NDA's and outside what they really want to talk about. Which is a long winded way of saying that I know the answer to your question, and you can find some public references to the facts that you would like to discuss, but I would have to shoot you and myself if I told you or pointed you to them. But that much being said, the following should be obvious: Microsoft still has several hundred (if not thousands) employed on Exchange related development activities. There are more people working on future versions of the product than were on the original Touchdown (4.0) team. They must be doing something. Also, they are a highly motivated and competitive company. It would be silly to think that they are standing still. By one count, back in 1997 Microsoft had eight separate and blessed from on high strategies for storage. Even they came to the conclusion that this was a problem and needed to e resolved. I forget exactly when it was, but there was an announcement a few years ago that SQL won the internal war as their strategic direction for storage. None of this should be taken to infer that Microsoft (or any of their competitors that I'm aware of) has figured out storage in the sense of the grand unification that was proposed as a part of the aborted project Cairo architecture back in 1994. But, understanding Cairo IMHO is still a baseline requirement for understanding most of their strategic moves. And, we are a very long ways away from the day when any NT based container can simply have an attribute mailbox applied to it, or when any AD managed object can have an attribute mailable applied to it. But, wouldn't those be nice things to have? -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very
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Why are giving her such a hard time? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Doug Hampshire Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at the insert guv'ment agency that does not exist and they said you were a Troll. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. William *Titanium* Racing Bikes Why ride when you can fly? - William Lefkovics www.airborne.net
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I believe it falls under something like... Because he can :o) -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Why are giving her such a hard time? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Doug Hampshire Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at the insert guv'ment agency that does not exist and they said you were a Troll. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? =3D20 TIA =3D20 --Felicity The next version
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I'm sorry, I seem to have mis-typed the word TROLL. If she wants to reveal her true identity then I might change my mind. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Why are giving her such a hard time? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Doug Hampshire Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at the insert guv'ment agency that does not exist and they said you were a Troll. -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.htm l http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for Microsoft to hear what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on part of the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which you may or may not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the sort of non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. --Felicity Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next version of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the source you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information here which might confuse other people. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) = =3D20 I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL Server will be providing the next database engine for the next version of Exchange. And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is Yukon. =3D20 Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server
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what's a microsoft..? -rdg Motto: With Felicity, who misses Tener? -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Microsoft has from time to time said some things on the record that were later determined to be within the scope of NDA's and outside what they really want to talk about. Which is a long winded way of saying that I know the answer to your question, and you can find some public references to the facts that you would like to discuss, but I would have to shoot you and myself if I told you or pointed you to them. But that much being said, the following should be obvious: Microsoft still has several hundred (if not thousands) employed on Exchange related development activities. There are more people working on future versions of the product than were on the original Touchdown (4.0) team. They must be doing something. Also, they are a highly motivated and competitive company. It would be silly to think that they are standing still. By one count, back in 1997 Microsoft had eight separate and blessed from on high strategies for storage. Even they came to the conclusion that this was a problem and needed to e resolved. I forget exactly when it was, but there was an announcement a few years ago that SQL won the internal war as their strategic direction for storage. None of this should be taken to infer that Microsoft (or any of their competitors that I'm aware of) has figured out storage in the sense of the grand unification that was proposed as a part of the aborted project Cairo architecture back in 1994. But, understanding Cairo IMHO is still a baseline requirement for understanding most of their strategic moves. And, we are a very long ways away from the day when any NT based container can simply have an attribute mailbox applied to it, or when any AD managed object can have an attribute mailable applied to it. But, wouldn't those be nice things to have? -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. Some are crazy and some are more sane --Felicity Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. Sig / -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) =20 At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about the amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations given there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. =20 -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: quote The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. /quote Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from Microsoft and current. And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not believe it is true. Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor mill? Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was absolutely stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been following this for a long time and I though it was a done deal. Please give me your comments on the following links. http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html I am
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..and concurrent to this thread: anyone catch any scuttlebutt on the venue for the next conference? (cue Chris) -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ahem.. never mind.. http://www.microsoft.com/MSCorp/corpevents/mec2002/default.asp -Original Message- From: Tim Ault Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) ..and concurrent to this thread: anyone catch any scuttlebutt on the venue for the next conference? (cue Chris) -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I worked with a couple of implentations of UM... It's great for those whom travel a lot, or those that would rather not pick up a phone or go to a fax machine -geeks and high level execs and sales critters are good candidates for it. I have worked with Octel/Lucent, and also the Mitel version. It was not the most stable thing -a few voicemail boxes deleted themselves (the tech did not tell us that the default setting was to delete the box in a week) but it worked pretty well after a bit. Anything else? ~ -K.Borndale IT Manager Sybari Software 631.630.8569 -direct dial 631.439.0689 -fax http://www.sybari.com One man's ceiling is another man's floor |-+--- | | Leonard Lee | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | Sent by:| | | bounce-exchange-148870@l| | | s.swynk.com | | | | | | | | | 06/03/2002 04:32 PM | | | Please respond to | | | Exchange Discussions | | | | |-+--- --| | | | To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) | --| Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.mail-resources.com | weblinks for some vendors... Their propaganda is staggering on why you need it. -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The POLITEST response I can think of is go and use Google. -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's the POLITEST you could come up with??? VBG -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) The POLITEST response I can think of is go and use Google. -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gary's so amusing when he tries to be nice. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) That's the POLITEST you could come up with??? VBG -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) The POLITEST response I can think of is go and use Google. -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite directions. One from Americans with Disabilities Act which requires greater richness - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - greater thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip away all conten but text, and then compress words for instance - removing vowels, TLA's etc. MIS will now be included with the next version of Exchange (code name Yukon). --Felicity That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd quotes from you when I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a data dump for you . . . -Original Message- From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Messaging collaboration (Unified Messaging) Iam looking for information on: 1. Messaging Collaboration 2. Unified Messaging The type of information I am looking for is on: 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) 3. How is it happening (solutions) Looking for Articles? Consortiums? Note: I've got Technet, so I already have the Microsoft view on this topic. Thanks in advanced, Leonard _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
