RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
That Jerry Hubbard was a sixth cousin. :) Jerry W. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Wasn't Jerry Hubbard the sidekick of Barth Gimble? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerry W. Hubbard Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Dear Martin, Are you saying the frequency of the beat oscillates at frequency x and sets up a standing wave in the air surrounding it? Just and old f*rt technician seeing if he understands. Jerry W. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS This is a great list. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Tuip Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
The evidence is inconclusive. He only admits that his ass is white. -Original Message- From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Ed, you're White? - Original Message - From: Ed Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This isn't good e- nough for you? Well, then you can kiss my big white ass! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I especially hate the ones that are not 5-7-5 but actually 17 syllable sentences that are word-wrapped into Haiku format. S. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
Wasn't Jerry Hubbard the sidekick of Barth Gimble? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerry W. Hubbard Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Dear Martin, Are you saying the frequency of the beat oscillates at frequency x and sets up a standing wave in the air surrounding it? Just and old f*rt technician seeing if he understands. Jerry W. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS This is a great list. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Tuip Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
We put the U before BS. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Wasn't Jerry Hubbard the sidekick of Barth Gimble? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerry W. Hubbard Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Dear Martin, Are you saying the frequency of the beat oscillates at frequency x and sets up a standing wave in the air surrounding it? Just and old f*rt technician seeing if he understands. Jerry W. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS This is a great list. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Tuip Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
Dear Martin, Are you saying the frequency of the beat oscillates at frequency x and sets up a standing wave in the air surrounding it? Just and old f*rt technician seeing if he understands. Jerry W. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS This is a great list. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Tuip Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
This isn't good e- nough for you? Well, then you can kiss my big white ass! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I especially hate the ones that are not 5-7-5 but actually 17 syllable sentences that are word-wrapped into Haiku format. S. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
Ed, you're White? - Original Message - From: Ed Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This isn't good e- nough for you? Well, then you can kiss my big white ass! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I especially hate the ones that are not 5-7-5 but actually 17 syllable sentences that are word-wrapped into Haiku format. S. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
If thrust is greater than drag and lift is greater than body weight it should fly at around 30 knots.. As long as it doesnt point its nose at a 15 degree angle, else it will stall. Probably. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll
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You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message
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Chicago or Seattle? -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent
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I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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That could be another variable to the formula. I think the cross wind factor in Chicago would be more then in Seattle, but the air in Seattle is more dense due to the rain. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Chicago or Seattle? -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person
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Same theory but with a bigger butt. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other
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Well, now I am interested... -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Same theory but with a bigger butt. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit
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Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has
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True, but in a test lab the results are always different. Fsking groupshield. (just thought I would add that) -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question That could be another variable to the formula. I think the cross wind factor in Chicago would be more then in Seattle, but the air in Seattle is more dense due to the rain. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Chicago or Seattle? -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would
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And now.. A word from our sponsors. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It also depends on the wing drag. You know that a bird who's molting has less feathers then one who has a full set of wings. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question True, but in a test lab the results are always different. Fsking groupshield. (just thought I would add that) -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question That could be another variable to the formula. I think the cross wind factor in Chicago would be more then in Seattle, but the air in Seattle is more dense due to the rain. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Chicago or Seattle? -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM
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Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC
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Blimey, I thought you were just an Exchange guru! Neil -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 04 January 2002 13:04 Posted To: Exchange Mailing List Conversation: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED
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It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002
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Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto
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And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll
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Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird
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LOL! Spot on there ...:-) Oh no, spot is a dog (or troll in Richard's case) -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How
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For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
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Hey! Thats not fair! My last name is a bit feminine ( a lot of old ladies in the UK called Joyce) but i have never known a female called Louis? Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55
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Just like Dr. Ruth. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question All's fair in war. I am a birds and bees guru. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Hey! Thats not fair! My last name is a bit feminine ( a lot of old ladies in the UK called Joyce) but i have never known a female called Louis? Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures
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The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an effect on Africanized bees. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions
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Be careful there, Dr. Ruth was a sniper in a different life. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Steven A. Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Just like Dr. Ruth. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question All's fair in war. I am a birds and bees guru. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Hey! Thats not fair! My last name is a bit feminine ( a lot of old ladies in the UK called Joyce) but i have never known a female called Louis? Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we
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Once again, this group is not focusing on the discussion. L = (1/2) d v2 s CL If you want to figure flying pigs into this equation, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow. You people are impossible. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an effect on Africanized bees. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE
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Time flies like a bird, fruit flies like a banana. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Once again, this group is not focusing on the discussion. L = (1/2) d v2 s CL If you want to figure flying pigs into this equation, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow. You people are impossible. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an effect on Africanized bees. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet
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understanding why bumblebees, pigs, flat birds fly ask Yoda you must My whack at an answer on Haiku Fri. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Time flies like a bird, fruit flies like a banana. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Once again, this group is not focusing on the discussion. L = (1/2) d v2 s CL If you want to figure flying pigs into this equation, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow. You people are impossible. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an effect on Africanized bees. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly
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Yoda out today Couldn't take bad hair day Poor green old master -Original Message- From: Allan Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question understanding why bumblebees, pigs, flat birds fly ask Yoda you must My whack at an answer on Haiku Fri. -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Time flies like a bird, fruit flies like a banana. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Once again, this group is not focusing on the discussion. L = (1/2) d v2 s CL If you want to figure flying pigs into this equation, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow. You people are impossible. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question The same can be said here in the (somewhat) United States. There has been a plague infesting honeybee hives for several years now. Bee population numbers are falling into the toilet, although I don't believe that the plague is having an effect on Africanized bees. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org
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With sufficient velocity even a pig will fly. - Original Message - From: Joyce, Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question If thrust is greater than drag and lift is greater than body weight it should fly at around 30 knots.. As long as it doesnt point its nose at a 15 degree angle, else it will stall. Probably. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question How fast does a deflated bird fly? (Translated from Office XP Thesaurus) If it's deflated then it's flat. Therefore: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL L = Lift, which must equal the Bird's weight in pounds d = density of the air. This will change due to altitude. v = velocity of a flat bird expressed in feet per second s = the wing area of the bird in square feet CL = Coefficient of lift Looks like you have left out L, d, s and cl. Therefore it's a trick question. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other
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You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I am impressed with all this theory but to digress slightly, can you explain how a bee flies? Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 12:55 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You forgot the cross wind factor. Martin Tuip MVP
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This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE
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I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip
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Are we there yet? I have to use the bathroom. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit
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Mom!! Andy's breathing again!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Are we there yet? I have to use the bathroom. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we
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Stop it all of you. Lori, go to your room, Andy, cross your legs. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 17:14 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Mom!! Andy's breathing again!! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Are we there yet? I have to use the bathroom. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position
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Someone hogging the can again? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Are we there yet? I have to use the bathroom. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:54 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot
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ahhh... I remember you now! yeesss... -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question All's fair in war. I am a birds and bees guru. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Hey! Thats not fair! My last name is a bit feminine ( a lot of old ladies in the UK called Joyce) but i have never known a female called Louis? Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures that we still do not totally understand. Does that answer your question? Martin Tuip
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black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow -Original Message- From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:20 AM To: Baker, Jennifer Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question ahhh... I remember you now! yeesss... -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question All's fair in war. I am a birds and bees guru. -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Hey! Thats not fair! My last name is a bit feminine ( a lot of old ladies in the UK called Joyce) but i have never known a female called Louis? Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous
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We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bathe? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and what's wrong with all black? - Original Message - From: Joyce, Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question This coming from a person who dresses in black every day and listens to Goth Music. Keep a lid on it Batman. Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You should see him in his nice powder blue top. Very fetching. JDE -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question For someone who has a feminine first *and* last name, I would be careful... -Original Message- From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Someone explain to her about the birds and the bees. :) Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question And why couldn't the male carry the egg? I'm calling HR. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Is it a male or a female bird? That way you should keep in mind that the female bird could carry an egg. Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 Listowner www.exchange-mail.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Baker Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question It's a contained environment with no crosswinds. No more honey for you if you stomp on my parade!! Now, back to the show. -Original Message- From: Bendall, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Pretty much as I understand the latest theory of bee flight but put much better than I could have done. But it does prove that the formula presented by Jennifer may not hold true for everything that flies. However, is a deflated bird flying or just a projectile being shot from some device? Coming back to bees it is with great sadness to know that at least the humble bumble bee in Britain is reducing in numbers, no more honey for us! Paul -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 2002 13:04 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Obviously bumble bees do fly but no fixed wing study in a conventional wind tunnel has shown how enough lift can be generated to lift the huge mass of a bumble bee (compared to its wing size). A wide range of studies have been done in recent years to try to understand the bee's unique method of flying. Insects like the bee do not flap their wings up and down as one might think. The movement of their wings is forward and backward. Lay your right hand on the table (palm down) and move it to the left. That is what the bee does as the first part of its wing beat. This movement produces lift because your hand produces the same effect as an airplane wing. Air moving over the top produces a low pressure because of the greater curvature, a principal known as Bernoulli's principal. Now flip your hand over (palm up) and return it to its original position. Computer studies shown that the timing of the flip is critical. The wake of the forward stroke allows the wing to recapture energy as the wing is moved back. There is a surge of forces on the wing as this happens which provides great lift at minimal energy. Dr. Adrian Thomas of Oxford University says, The whole system is a lot more complicated than we thought. A lot remains to be done to understand this, but the maneuverability and efficiency of it indicates man needs to understand to improve his own methods of flying. To suggest that such systems come about by chance strains credibility to the limit. The enormous complexity of the motion, the design of the wings to do the flying, and the support system that moves the wing all speaks of highly planned and designed structures
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I especially hate the ones that are not 5-7-5 but actually 17 syllable sentences that are word-wrapped into Haiku format. S. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you lived with Groupshield for two years? ...then shush. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question you mock my innermost feelings...my chi...my essence? May the goddesses have mercy on your soul. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question No, that strange poetry stuff. Hari-Kiri?? John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Work? -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question We can surely tell that it is Friday, can't we. I like this much better than that other thing you do on Friday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question black widow Then you would be dead. /black widow _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
Can't say as I have, but I have been a proud member of Uncle Sam's overseas canoe club for 8 years. I'm sure we are about even. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Have you lived with Groupshield for two years? ...then shush. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
I am just as fed up with your canoe club as you are fed up with my Groupshield kiss my ass Haiku... So that makes us even... Didn't I divorce you last year? g -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Can't say as I have, but I have been a proud member of Uncle Sam's overseas canoe club for 8 years. I'm sure we are about even. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Have you lived with Groupshield for two years? ...then shush. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question I mock nothing, it's.. it's just that some of it is so BAD! And if you like, I'll mail suggestions for chi enhancing exercises. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis, Suhler Associates, Inc. by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
mm trivial loops -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis, Suhler Associates, Inc. by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
He did so. He said not really which is not to be confused with no. :) -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
The Exchange IMS default is 18 and can be changed (MaxReceivedHeaders), atleast that is what I have been telling myself for 4 years. Or are we talking about the MTA? Or both? -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
m reprimanded by Lori... -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question He did so. He said not really which is not to be confused with no. :) -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question
Is that an African or European sparrow? Tom. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question What is the air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You asked three questions: What is your name? What is your quest? What is your favorite color? - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question You didnt answer my last question. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question After 5.5 SP2 the Received headers were counted. The limit is set to 512 I believe (don't know if this can be changed). Does the RFC say what constitutes a trivial loop? Not really. - Original Message - From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Was: Question from a troll to a Yoda - Now: RFC Question Since we are on this subject again, maybe someone can answer this for me since I got nary a response last time: 6.2 Loop Detection Simple counting of the number of Received: headers in a message has proven to be an effective, although rarely optimal, method of detecting loops in mail systems. SMTP servers using this technique SHOULD use a large rejection threshold, normally at least 100 Received entries. Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. What mechanism does Exchange use to detect and stop loops? What constitutes a trivial loop? Are these stupid questions? Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda If you take the time to read RFC2821 you can answer those questions, and many others for yourself. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html Chris -- Chris Scharff Senior Sales Engineer MessageOne If you can't measure, you can't manage! -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Question from a troll to a Yoda um... is it really not obvious? 1) There are too many recipients in the email (that's the TO: line) Whats the max amount would this be on the my server or the recievers server 2) The email is larger than the message limit (that means it's too big) and what is the limit in size that someone can send out. -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Each time a person stands up for an idea, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, (s)he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. --Robert F. Kennedy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tener, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Question from a troll to a Yoda Can any Yoda tell me what this error or NDR means. I have seen about 8 of them today. 1.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 553 Too many recipients in the mail, should less than 100 The message that caused this notification was: 2.) A mail message was not sent due to a protocol error. 12107454 bytes exceeds server limit of 512 The message that caused this notification was: _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
