Re: [expert] md5sum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 11, 2003 11:39 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Back in version 8 and 9 I had the exact same problem! It is the mirror you are using! I don't know why mirror sites continually get bad images, but it is true. Try an rsync to another site. So, does rsync help when it is all one file? I've always found that it does. I'm an impatient old fart so I'd rather run rsync for 20 to 45 minutes per disk than 4 or 5 times as long. :-) However it only helps if you already have a very ISO to begin with. For the Mandrake 9.2 RC2 ISOs I actually used old beta2 images and renamed them. If you were doing Red Hat you'd use older Red Hat images, Knoppix 3.1 renamed 3.2, and so on. Otherwise you probably won't gain anything since there would be far too much difference between the renamed file and the actual ISO you wanted. Not enough similarity to gain much on the download via ftp versus rsync I mean. To Lorne; I can't see the mirror being the problem, it's the one I sync my local cooker tree from. Sometimes I have a major slow down and a few times the connection seems to have dropped totally but it's fairly reliable. If Gary was getting incorrect md5sums from the downloads something else was likely the problem. I've used that exact method for two years now and had a hell of a lot less trouble than any other way. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 00:07:55 up 10:26, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.14, 0.14 The master programmer moves from program to program without fear. No change in management can harm him. He will not be fired, even if the project is canceled. Why is this? He is filled with the Tao. -- Geoffrey James, The Tao of Programming -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YWW6G11CaRuZZSIRAkuVAJ9hmagoCqCFe49+Zvqk0B/YcJeYKACglPKe Biu4LyrXDfTVhR7egD2zeGM= =+5qj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] md5sum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 12:20 am, Charlie M. wrote: Ignore the typos gang. I'm still about 5 days minus on horizontal time this week. :-) Therefore I'm stuck on stupid lately. Not permanent I hope. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 00:23:34 up 10:42, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.16, 0.18 Make a wish, it might come true. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YWblG11CaRuZZSIRApagAJ0aPzo8ZIuj+vmepWOsgV/2maPUrwCfVB6Q bNozNrzp9ONsCjciQut2Rac= =2sHH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 01:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James 6to5 and pick 'em from what I've seen of that and other discussions. It bothers me not what they do as long as it keeps the company going. I'll keep buying releases, testing cooker at every opportunity, and advocate my ass off. I can ignore advertisements; as I do during the little time I have to watch the tube. As long as they don't become intrusive or start mining for personal data I couldn't care less. If they try that I'm outta here so fast I'll leave a fscking sonic boom. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 01:22:08 up 11:41, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.34, 0.45 Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown! - -- The Ghostbusters -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YXVfG11CaRuZZSIRAnvIAJsGMSsCPz2QflK4hfktB+ZGao6D3ACfaGeQ INL63+T3/9EwhbPYVZNA6OY= =56xH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] reassigning ports
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/postfix0309/164/2.html I found this with google. Look at the bottom posting. This looks like it should work. KevinO Russell W. Behne wrote: Today at 00:51, KevinO wrote: Russell W. Behne wrote: and 8088. But still I get this problem with smtp, and my MX host root user just complained that there's already a ton of mail waiting, but they can't forward it into my mail server. What am I missing here? I need to get this fixed, but don't know what to do! Is your MX host going to send your mail into your unusual port # ? (This would be the show stopper issue) Yes. It's already configured to do that on the MX host. Postfix needs to be configured to accept mail from other than the loopback address, or your firewall is not accepting connections to that port number (other than loopback) I don't think it's a firewall issue, so it must be postfix. But how do I configure it to accept mail from the MX host? I'm new to postfix and aren't sure on how it's done properly, and I don't want to make any mistakes. I want to allow only the MX hosts to push mail into port 24, since they're the only ones to know that my smpt is on that port and not on port 25. As it is, nobody can connect except localhost. - -- KevinO If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? - -- Lily Tomlin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/YYOxWOfRC7Rnmv8RAiAjAJ0YWPrytxQIiYIIm+XcEoHdjPXAZACfYSSp n0LRzr/cTz2bLmtD9GgkqwM= =YUwG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] AntiVir Personal Edition
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 01:05, Miark wrote: Today I stumbled across anti-virus software from H+BEDV (a German company) for Linux. It's free for personal use, and was wondering if anyone here had used it, and if so what you think about it. Hi, I have been using this software for about three years on a number of machines on my network. I run the avmailgate integrated as a filter on my mail server. I run it on my file server/s as well. All this is on the 'not for business' licence, and my home network is not business. I have cronjobs updating the patterns every night and I am very happy. One quirk, when the licence runs out on the mailserver, it can stop processing mail, which, the first time it happens looks real weird as you see postfix accepting the mail and then it just disapears. It was only when I ran the avgate program from the command line, the update prog had overwritten the virus def file with a broken one of zero bytes as the auto-update script failed to update because of the licence issue. swoon Bottom line though, it is the easiest and most stable free av program that I have used. The only reason I scan mail/files are that I have a couple of Win2K boxes that the family use. HTH. David. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 09:27, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 01:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James 6to5 and pick 'em from what I've seen of that and other discussions. It bothers me not what they do as long as it keeps the company going. I'll keep buying releases, testing cooker at every opportunity, and advocate my ass off. I can ignore advertisements; as I do during the little time I have to watch the tube. As long as they don't become intrusive or start mining for personal data I couldn't care less. If they try that I'm outta here so fast I'll leave a fscking sonic boom. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 01:22:08 up 11:41, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.34, 0.45 Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown! - -- The Ghostbusters -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YXVfG11CaRuZZSIRAnvIAJsGMSsCPz2QflK4hfktB+ZGao6D3ACfaGeQ INL63+T3/9EwhbPYVZNA6OY= =56xH -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
*** Guy Van Sanden Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:40:04 +0200 : OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) No. As much as I heard it will only go as far as it goes right now with those nice images during installation. It will just be that instead of the Mandrake images we will see ads of related products. And you can always avoid annoying ads by doing a text install. I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. Yes, that's always a peril for Good Things(TM). But I don't think that Mandrake would carry it as far as Red Hat or SuSE. If they wanted to sell their souls to BIG B. they could have done that before they filed for #11. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. Or do a text install :) wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Am Freitag, 12. September 2003 09:04 schrieb James Sparenberg: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James Well, as long as i don't get a fortune ad message on each login ;) This ssh-login is sponsored by Twathe, your number one for security cetificates :D LOL Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:01:03 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Guy Van Sanden Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:40:04 +0200 : OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) No. As much as I heard it will only go as far as it goes right now with those nice images during installation. It will just be that instead of the Mandrake images we will see ads of related products. And you can always avoid annoying ads by doing a text install. I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. Yes, that's always a peril for Good Things(TM). But I don't think that Mandrake would carry it as far as Red Hat or SuSE. If they wanted to sell their souls to BIG B. they could have done that before they filed for #11. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. Or do a text install :) wobo Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. What a nice day. Lee -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) - -- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 05:33:06AM -0400, Lee Wiggers wrote: Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. So the logical next step is? Right: Remove the text install (or add text based adds...)... :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
*** Lee Wiggers Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:33:06 -0400 : Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. What a nice day. I' think there'll be small text-based ads in the text install then. Of course, the majority of users will use the graphics installer, so the ads will reach their readers. Well, for the 'knowing' there's always a way, isn't it? I guess the main thing will be the website ads. And so far I don't feel annoyed by the Mandrake ads, why should I be annoyed by Thwates or even AMD? It'll be a whole other story reading XXX-RPMs for the adult Linuxer! or Download jay-lo-ass-showing-1.0.1-1mdk.rpm NOW! ;-) wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And somewhere down the line, one of those advertising dweeps is going to go like this, Well, all those boot messages are sooo not cool, let's dump them in favour of dipers commercials, oh, and this syslog thingie has got to go too, it is diverting attention form our ads. Oh, and while you're at it, ... ... Sep 7 17:59:45 cronos syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Sep 7 18:01:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:02:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:03:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:04:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:05:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:09:45 cronos shutdown: shutting down for system halt Sep 7 18:10:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:11:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:12:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:12:45 cronos init: Switching to runlevel: 0 Sep 7 18:13:00 cronos HEY, DON'T FORGET THE TRIP AND DRINK COCA COLA! ... Not fun :-( On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:01, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: *** Guy Van Sanden Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:40:04 +0200 : OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) No. As much as I heard it will only go as far as it goes right now with those nice images during installation. It will just be that instead of the Mandrake images we will see ads of related products. And you can always avoid annoying ads by doing a text install. I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. Yes, that's always a peril for Good Things(TM). But I don't think that Mandrake would carry it as far as Red Hat or SuSE. If they wanted to sell their souls to BIG B. they could have done that before they filed for #11. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. Or do a text install :) wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
*** Guy Van Sanden Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:44:13 +0200 : Sep 7 17:59:45 cronos syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Sep 7 18:01:00 cronos WIN A FREE TRIP TO TIMBUKTU Sep 7 18:13:00 cronos HEY, DON'T FORGET THE TRIP AND DRINK COCA COLA! Not fun :-( Well, both are sensible advices! I'd like to see Timbuktu and I want to be noticed about a Free Trip! And I like that wonderful modern drink for the active youthful people of the world! No, this is out of the question. And as far as I know the Mandrake people they'd rather go fishin' than support this. wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Friday 12 September 2003 11:33, Lee Wiggers wrote: Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. What a nice day. Lee I wouldn't call these prices megabucks, certainly not in the adds business. I do suppose it's a way of getting a few bucks back from the freeloaders.you know: Get your ad-free download version at mandrake club or buy a boxed version. Anyway no-one can stop you clearing the adds out after the installit's GPL:o) I think it's acceptable, only that they're way too cheap. snipped from http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising .. Advertising: - Installation advertising (for every Mandrake Linux 9.2 version) + bookmarks (for every Mandrake Linux 9.2 version): $ 7,000 - Screen saver advertising (only for the 9.2 download version): $ 10,000 - Installation advertising + bookmarks + screen saver advertising: $ 15,000 Browser Default Page : A single message appears for two months (from October 10th to December 10th): $ 7,500 Three different messages (or a single one) appear for 6 months and change every two months (from October 10th to December 10th, December 10th to February 10th and February 10th to April 10th): $ 15,000 Installation advertising + bookmarks + screen saver advertising (download version only) + 6 months visibility on default page: $ 24,000 ... Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
*** H.J.Bathoorn H.J.Bathoorn Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:33:20 +0200 : - Screen saver advertising (only for the 9.2 download version): $ 10,000 - Installation advertising + bookmarks + screen saver advertising: $ 15,000 Wow, that's really cheap. I've to tell my local grocery store about it! Well, at least the website offers should be more expensive, counting how many people they reach. All other prices are ok, counting that many people will remove them as soon as they know how to do so. wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:19:35 +0200, Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Freitag, 12. September 2003 09:04 schrieb James Sparenberg:
Ya'll read... Ya'll decide.
Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there.
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising
http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702
For the discussion please go to the second link...
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
As described on the MDK page, I don't have a problem with this. Anything that keeps MDK going and doesn't make it too annoying is OK by me. I can always remove the bookmarks folder and change the screensaver. If that became too hard then I would seriously consider moving to Debian or something, but nothing indicates that it will be hard. I should hope that they keep the ads targeted. I would actually like to be aware of Linux-capable comercial apps, they don't get much air-time on other media. I would not like to get Microsoft ads, or that SCO one somebody posted to the comments, or indeed about credit cards etc. MDK say they will decide on a FCFS basis, I hope it'll be better selected than that. Otherwise MS will definately buy a slot, for laughs if for no other reason, these prices are petty cash for them. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Is this a postfix packaging bug (9.1 RC2)?
Hi, I'm no postfix expert so I don't know if what I found was a bug or not, but in 9.1, this worked in main.cf mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/10 but postfix fails to deliver any mail like that in 9.2RC2, and instead this must be specified: mynetworks = 192.128.0.0/10 I guess it's something to do with a more recent postfix version (and there are probably good reasons for the change being needed), but my question is this: is there anything the postfix packager could do to ensure a smooth transition to avoid problems like this? Or was I doing something wrong with my config and 9.1 and was simply lucky to get away with it? Thanks! Damon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:56:38PM +0300, Paul wrote: [...] I take this to mean that, once set up, the default screen-saver will display ads, rather than ads in the install. No, both. If I interpret Mandrake's statement correctly (URL in first mail of this thread), installer ads, ad bookmarks and default ad homepages will be in all distros. Screensave ads will only be in the download version. Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't even fully ad-free. Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] RC2 installation
Is there anything which I missed during last 10 days? I just received my 3 CDs of RC2 and am now in my thirteenth attempt to install it on a box where I installed 9.1 just the other week without problems. So there should be no hardware related issues. First crash (keyboard lights blinking) during formatting of the root partition (size 3GB ext3, /home is 5GB ext3)). Next time it formatted without error. Second crash during individual package selection. Dropped out of the graphics screen and shut down. Third crash during installation of packages (after about 5% crash with keyboard lights blinking) Fourth crash during switch from package selection to installation (screen frozen, no keyboard access) and so on Always at various different points. Twelwth crash right after selection of keyboard (screen frozen, keyboard no access). Again: 9.1 installation is on same harddisk and I did not change any hardware parts. 9.1 is running without errors (did some image editing with large memory access and 1 kernel compilation so far). wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ifpuld mandrake 9.1
Thanks to the person who told me this for mandrake 9.1. Which file do I edit to undo this. I did look around last night. I saw ifdown / Ifup in the network script. Can I copy the network script from Mandrake 9.0 to Mandrake 9.1? Also there is no way of truning it off under drakeconnect or network config in X. Thanks for any help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:44:13 +0200, Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't even fully ad-free. How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. If you want the download version, great, but if you care about MDK you should still be/continue to be a Club member if your budget allows. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:56:38 +0300, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any great prob with this, just change the screen-saver Right. And this is ultimately the solution to _any_ advertising. Remember, we're talking about an open source distro here, not the M$ world where everything is invisibly tied together like a spreading and incurable cancer. Even if MDK added advertising in a dozen places (fortune, screensavers, bookmarks, desktop icons, etc), you _know_ one of any dozens of people would come up with a single script to remove it all. So who cares if MDK does this. This won't be a new slippery slope, it'll just help them gain footing on their current one, and it's an easy one for us to deal with. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost
If you have an idea of what to look at, feel free ;-) Only to try: do you have alias /dev/nvidia* nvidia into /etc/modules.conf do you load glx module into XF86Config-4 and this is the correct version (did you remove the old driver installed by rpm first?) is the link into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ correct? Did you try to write to nvidia? i did once and i had the solution in a day. hope can help. Angelo __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Is this a postfix packaging bug (9.1 RC2)?
The 192.168 address for private networks is class B, and therefore 16 bits long. (see RFC 1918.) Using less than 16 bits may result in problems connecting to machines on the Internet which have these addresses. You would be better off using 10.0.0.0/8 or172.16.0.0/12 which are also allocated for private networks but offer more space for the host and/or subnet address. On Friday 12 Sep 2003 2:08 pm, Miark wrote: Out of curiosity, why /10 and not /24? How many nodes are on your network? Miark On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:00:46 +1200, Damon Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm no postfix expert so I don't know if what I found was a bug or not, but in 9.1, this worked in main.cf mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/10 but postfix fails to deliver any mail like that in 9.2RC2, and instead this must be specified: mynetworks = 192.128.0.0/10 I guess it's something to do with a more recent postfix version (and there are probably good reasons for the change being needed), but my question is this: is there anything the postfix packager could do to ensure a smooth transition to avoid problems like this? Or was I doing something wrong with my config and 9.1 and was simply lucky to get away with it? Thanks! Damon -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't even fully ad-free. How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive - to me in any case. I was thinking about buying 9.2 (I just tested 9.1, coming from Red Hat, and was reasonably happy with what I saw), but under these circumstances I don't see why. If the boxed version was completely ad-free, I *would* buy it. If you want the download version, great, but if you care about MDK you should still be/continue to be a Club member if your budget allows. It's a company and I'm not a charity. Make the product worthwhile buying and I buy. As for my bad concience: I don't even have a reason for that anymore, as Mandrake does get money either way now. And if I really want to support something, I rather spend money on true volunteer efforts, like e.g. buying OpenBSD CDs (now there's something I definitely won't download). Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Friday September 12 2003 07:49 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Is there anything which I missed during last 10 days? I just received my 3 CDs of RC2 and am now in my thirteenth attempt to install it on a box where I installed 9.1 just the other week without problems. So there should be no hardware related issues. First crash (keyboard lights blinking) during formatting of the root partition (size 3GB ext3, /home is 5GB ext3)). Next time it formatted without error. Second crash during individual package selection. Dropped out of the graphics screen and shut down. Third crash during installation of packages (after about 5% crash with keyboard lights blinking) Fourth crash during switch from package selection to installation (screen frozen, no keyboard access) and so on Always at various different points. Twelwth crash right after selection of keyboard (screen frozen, keyboard no access). Again: 9.1 installation is on same harddisk and I did not change any hardware parts. 9.1 is running without errors (did some image editing with large memory access and 1 kernel compilation so far). wobo Crashes at differnet spots certainly require 'hardware' to be included as a cause. Even if the hardware is the CD's, or your drives ability to read 'em. Attached is the RC2 md5sums. You can check with 'md5sum /mnt/cdrom' or 'md5sum /dev/hd?' in a console. Be patient, it'll probly take a minute or two before the result appears. 9725a5942d84390c691d78f95084b5ee MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso 78374f7ff4335f5b46b3cd7d8e2f3e94 MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso 70de3baa4a1e3f3c0229bed38b237d8a MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive is the cause, d/l the hd.img, dd it to a floppy, copy the CD's you have to HDD, an try'n install that way. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't even fully ad-free. How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive - to me in any case. I was thinking about buying 9.2 (I just tested 9.1, coming from Red Hat, and was reasonably happy with what I saw), but under these circumstances I don't see why. If the boxed version was completely ad-free, I *would* buy it. If you want the download version, great, but if you care about MDK you should still be/continue to be a Club member if your budget allows. It's a company and I'm not a charity. Make the product worthwhile buying and I buy. Do you even use Mandrake? A product does not materialize out of thin air: it takes money for the people who produce it to live, no? What other products are you able to consume without recompense until you decide it comes up to your standards sufficiently to pay for it? Some must pay for what many take for free, be it advertisers or Club members. I wonder what percentage of the complainers about the ads actually support Mandrake with cash versus the percentage who complain merely because they would rather take without being reminded of the obligation. As for my bad concience: I don't even have a reason for that anymore, as Mandrake does get money either way now. And if I really want to support something, I rather spend money on true volunteer efforts, like e.g. buying OpenBSD CDs (now there's something I definitely won't download). Cheerio, Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Friday 12 September 2003 01:40 am, Guy Van Sanden wrote: OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. I have to tell you, I think that if they are NOT bought by a big business they will cease to exist. The model they use will not allow them to survive! So you better hope someone like IBM or something buys them. Let's face it, as linux gains legitimacy, it will go more and more commercial I think. As more and more products become available there will be more and more prices attached. It HAS to. people don't work for free forever. As far as marketing ruining them I think they have made some incredibly bone headed moves in the past. IF they had marketing that really knew what they were doing, maybe less poor decisions would get made and some really good decisions would be made. To be honest, I wished Novell would have partnered with them instead of Suse. Oh well. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 09:27, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 01:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James 6to5 and pick 'em from what I've seen of that and other discussions. It bothers me not what they do as long as it keeps the company going. I'll keep buying releases, testing cooker at every opportunity, and advocate my ass off. I can ignore advertisements; as I do during the little time I have to watch the tube. As long as they don't become intrusive or start mining for personal data I couldn't care less. If they try that I'm outta here so fast I'll leave a fscking sonic boom. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 01:22:08 up 11:41, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.34, 0.45 Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown! - -- The Ghostbusters -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YXVfG11CaRuZZSIRAnvIAJsGMSsCPz2QflK4hfktB+ZGao6D3ACfaGeQ INL63+T3/9EwhbPYVZNA6OY= =56xH -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:42:07 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive Actually, the CDs may still be fine... see Twiki for how to determine if the CD is really OK (md5sum may be wrong due to padding). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Can't update Mandrake anymore with rpmdrake
Hi, Yesterday, I had planned to update my server (Mandrake 9.0) with the latest patches. I ran the Configuration panel and the Update software (rpmdrake). It told me it was going to connect to a server to download the update list... and then that the update list was empty, 'cause I must have installed all the versions or 'cause there is no update available !!! I disabled the current update source, so, then, it asked me to choose a mirror server : for each of them, I have the same error. I connected with ftp to one of this mirror. I guested the hdlist.cz file is used to find the content... it's empty ! If I ran urpmi -va I get a list (but I don't know how to control what I want to install) I ran rpmdrake from a terminal window, and on the output, it says an error occurred while downloading hdlist.cz (not sure when, but I can send you the log) I found an article on Mandrake support which advise to run urpmi.update cdrom8 but I still have the trouble Please, help ! Thanks a lot !
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:52, lorne wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 01:40 am, Guy Van Sanden wrote: OK, it doesn't sound that bad in the beginning, but this is a dangerous trend. Like displaying ads while installing, OK, but will this mean that usefull messages get less screenspace (ETA, actions, ...) I'm also very cautious of big business getting a hold on Linux, this means it will get ruined and changed by marketing, like most good things. I have to tell you, I think that if they are NOT bought by a big business they will cease to exist. The model they use will not allow them to survive! So you better hope someone like IBM or something buys them. Let's face it, as linux gains legitimacy, it will go more and more commercial I think. As more and more products become available there will be more and more prices attached. It HAS to. people don't work for free forever. I disagree with this, the reason why Linux is this good is because it is free in all sences. If you take that away, how long will its technological advantage over e.g. Windows stay? And why should development not go on in a free world forever? *BSD have managed for a long time, and we still have the FSF and the GPL to defned ourselves If every single Linux distro should go commercial, I'm switching to FreeBSD (completely). If Mandrake becomes something like IBM, I'm going Debian or Gentoo As far as marketing ruining them I think they have made some incredibly bone headed moves in the past. IF they had marketing that really knew what they were doing, maybe less poor decisions would get made and some really good decisions would be made. To be honest, I wished Novell would have partnered with them instead of Suse. Oh well. It is engineering, testing etc that we need. If they had marketing, they wouldn't issue security advisories, but sue people that found bugs, and hush the masses. Just my thoughts, but if this goes any further, I'm going Gentoo/Debian or FreeBSD. On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 09:27, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 01:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James 6to5 and pick 'em from what I've seen of that and other discussions. It bothers me not what they do as long as it keeps the company going. I'll keep buying releases, testing cooker at every opportunity, and advocate my ass off. I can ignore advertisements; as I do during the little time I have to watch the tube. As long as they don't become intrusive or start mining for personal data I couldn't care less. If they try that I'm outta here so fast I'll leave a fscking sonic boom. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-7mdk 01:22:08 up 11:41, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.34, 0.45 Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown! - -- The Ghostbusters -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YXVfG11CaRuZZSIRAnvIAJsGMSsCPz2QflK4hfktB+ZGao6D3ACfaGeQ INL63+T3/9EwhbPYVZNA6OY= =56xH -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Can't update Mandrake anymore with rpmdrake
I had a problem with the mirrors yesterday also. It could not find any. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:21 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [expert] Can't update Mandrake anymore with rpmdrake Hi,Yesterday, I had planned to update my server (Mandrake 9.0) with the latest patches.I ran the Configuration panel and the "Update software" (rpmdrake). It told me it was going to connect to a server to download the update list... and thenthat the update list was empty, 'cause I must have installed all the versions or 'cause there is no update available !!!I disabled the current update source, so, then, it asked me to choose a mirror server : for each of them, I have the same error.I connected with ftp to one of this mirror. I guested the hdlist.cz file is used to find the content... it's empty !If I ran urpmi -vaI get a list (but I don't know how to control what I want to install)I ran rpmdrake from a terminal window, and on the output, it says an error occurred while downloading hdlist.cz (not sure when, but I can send you the log)I found an article on Mandrake support which advise to runurpmi.update cdrom8but I still have the troublePlease, help !Thanks a lot !
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:21:34 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive - to me in any case. I was thinking about buying 9.2 (I just tested 9.1, coming from Red Hat, and was reasonably happy with what I saw), but under these circumstances I don't see why. If the boxed version was completely ad-free, I *would* buy it. This reminds me of single issue voters I've heard so much about. You probably like urpmi more than up2date, the Drak tools more than Red Hat's tools, the MDK support lists more than the Red Hat lists, and MDKs goal of making Linux easier to use for newbies... but you're more inclined to reward Red Hat because of what they _don't_ do. With all due respect, that strikes me as petty. And if I really want to support something, I rather spend money on true volunteer efforts, like e.g. buying OpenBSD CDs (now there's something I definitely won't download). Now if you've got only so much to give (as we all do) and you choose to give it to a project that operates strictly by volunteer efforts, hey, you have my blessing ;-) Miark Aspiring BSD Developer Please send PayPal donations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't even fully ad-free. How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive - to me in any case. I was thinking about buying 9.2 (I just tested 9.1, coming from Red Hat, and was reasonably happy with what I saw), but under these circumstances I don't see why. If the boxed version was completely ad-free, I *would* buy it. If you want the download version, great, but if you care about MDK you should still be/continue to be a Club member if your budget allows. It's a company and I'm not a charity. Make the product worthwhile buying and I buy. As for my bad concience: I don't even have a reason for that anymore, as Mandrake does get money either way now. And if I really want to support something, I rather spend money on true volunteer efforts, like e.g. buying OpenBSD CDs (now there's something I definitely won't download). Cheerio, Thomas I had to post this to Cooker. Apparently it needs to be posted here as well. Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. With the name *J.P. MorganChase* is plastered all over the walls of the courts in Arthur Ash stadium with the *IBM* scoreboard high above the crowd Andy Roddick received the US Open trophy along with a check for $1,000,000 from *Ford Motor Company* while wearing an outfit from *Reebok*. Afterwards you are taken to commercials by *Citizen*, *Heineken*, *Olympus*, *MassMutual*, etc. You can read all about the tournament by going to usopen.org where you will see adds for *Princess Cruises*, *IBM*, *USTA.com*, *American Express*, *Lincoln*(Ford Motor Company), *George Forman*, etc.. Does this mean that the tournament can't support itself without outside involvement even though they are making sales of tickets to the tournament? Not neccesarily. Does it mean that they now what makes money and take advantage of that knowledge. You're damn right it does. Does it mean that they have a bad product? No it doesn't. It means that they are smart enough to use the avenues that are available to them to make as much money as possible. It provides them revenue as well as the sponsors. When I see this kind of sponsorship for an event I don't get the impressions that this is a sign of a horrible product that needs to be propped up by various thrid parties. I get the impression that people want to be associated with the event because of the benefits of the association. Is it really a good idea to deny Mandrake the same type of revenue source because of an incorrect impression of advertising? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 11:55:00 up 5 days, 23:11, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.29, 0.40 ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Friday 12 September 2003 17:59, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Is it really a good idea to deny Mandrake the same type of revenue source because of an incorrect impression of advertising? I have my doubts whether it's only that. I think a lot of people actually like the stigma of Linux being difficult and special. By putting in ads it looses some of it's undergroundish glamour. Let's put one thing straight: The Mdk download edition has always been as GPL as possible. It factually is, but I'm taking into consideration that it originated because of the Trolltech license strife at the time.offering KDE where others wouldn't. That will not change by including ads, it's a way of being able to keep on offering it free of charge where others like Suse have already jumped the train or are in danger of dwindling into oblivion like Slackware. I think it's a hell of alot better idea than the one that always comes up every new edition; To hold the dload version until the boxed version is shipped. That really is stupid and in it's way spiteful to boot. The more I think of it the more I like it, these ads:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] pam winbind and wu-imap....
Hi all, I have setup samba with winbind and pam. After successfully joining the domain I can loginto my Mandrake 9.0 box as a windows NT 4.0 domain user and it authenticates to the NT 40 box and creates the users home dir. i did this by editing the /etc/pam.d/login file and adding these lines: authsufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so account sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so sessionrequired /lib/security/pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 This works great. But this is going to be a mail server so I need to have the user dirs created when they loginto imap. So i edited the /etc/pam.d/imap file like this: auth required /lib/security/pam_winbind.so auth required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth accountrequired /lib/security/pam_winbind.so accountrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth sessionrequired /lib/security/pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 And restart xinetd but the users dirs arn't created? Can anyone help me get this working? Thanks Ralph Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax ...the right to trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty and property of the citizen. Texas Declaration of Independence (March 2, 1836) It's your bill of rights - Vote NO to Prop. 12 on September 13 -- - Original Message - From: James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:04 AM Subject: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising. Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
David Rankin wrote: Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. Please don't include me in your loathing. Maybe we just have a different definition of 100%. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax ...the right to trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty and property of the citizen. Texas Declaration of Independence (March 2, 1836) It's your bill of rights - Vote NO to Prop. 12 on September 13 -- - Original Message - From: James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:04 AM Subject: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising. Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 13:45:00 up 6 days, 1:01, 1 user, load average: 0.70, 0.50, 0.40 ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:14, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:44:13 +0200, Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) James Miark __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost
Jumping in late, I want to reiterate that you must remove MesaGL rpms if they are installed. They will dork up your nvidia. praedor --- R N dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have an idea of what to look at, feel free ;-) Only to try: do you have alias /dev/nvidia* nvidia into /etc/modules.conf do you load glx module into XF86Config-4 and this is the correct version (did you remove the old driver installed by rpm first?) is the link into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ correct? Did you try to write to nvidia? i did once and i had the solution in a day. hope can help. Angelo __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 08:54, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:21:34 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive - to me in any case. I was thinking about buying 9.2 (I just tested 9.1, coming from Red Hat, and was reasonably happy with what I saw), but under these circumstances I don't see why. If the boxed version was completely ad-free, I *would* buy it. This reminds me of single issue voters I've heard so much about. You probably like urpmi more than up2date, the Drak tools more than Red Hat's tools, the MDK support lists more than the Red Hat lists, and MDKs goal of making Linux easier to use for newbies... but you're more inclined to reward Red Hat because of what they _don't_ do. With all due respect, that strikes me as petty. And if I really want to support something, I rather spend money on true volunteer efforts, like e.g. buying OpenBSD CDs (now there's something I definitely won't download). Now if you've got only so much to give (as we all do) and you choose to give it to a project that operates strictly by volunteer efforts, hey, you have my blessing ;-) Miark, I have a feeling he won't download OpenBSD for the same reason I won't. The CD version gives me a much higher level of feel good about security. Once I vet the CD as being solid I know when I install it every install will be 100% highjack free, and installed and hardened before it reaches out and touches the internet. Personally I've a really novel idea on how to make money. Make the product available in stores, (oooh ahhh shock!) I mean heck it works for RedHat SuSE and Slackware. Yes I know MDK won't get 100% of the money. So what. If I buy a head of lettuce the farmer doesn't get 100% of the money either. But he/she can sell a lot more lettuce and make a lot more money than if they had a single roadside stand. A little bit a lot of times really adds up. I remember in High School a friend of mine wanted to put a Holly Double Pumper on his car. (large expensive carburetor) He did it by spending the first half of the school year asking everyone if they had any pennies. A whole lot of requests later he had the $150.00 for the part, one penny at a time. (this is 1972 btw) James Miark Aspiring BSD Developer Please send PayPal donations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost
On Friday 12 September 2003 01:41 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote: Jumping in late, I want to reiterate that you must remove MesaGL rpms if they are installed. They will dork up your nvidia. praedor Hmm, which Mesa stuff is that? I have the following installed and it doesn't cause any problems here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ rpm -qa | grep Mesa libMesaGLU1-devel-5.0-3mdk libMesaglut3-5.0-3mdk Mesa-5.0-3mdk Mesa-demos-5.0-3mdk libMesaGL1-5.0-3mdk libMesaGLU1-5.0-3mdk libMesaglut3-devel-5.0-3mdk -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri September 12 2003 6:33 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 11:33, Lee Wiggers wrote: Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. What a nice day. Lee I wouldn't call these prices megabucks, certainly not in the adds business. I do suppose it's a way of getting a few bucks back from the freeloaders.you know: Get your ad-free download version at mandrake club or buy a boxed version. Anyway no-one can stop you clearing the adds out after the installit's GPL:o) I think it's acceptable, only that they're way too cheap. I'm happy to see them get some bucks for letting me and many others use a free copy of Mandrake. Yes, I could switch to Debian, but I like the Mandrake philosophy. I'll pay when I buy the box, till then they get some cash flow. Economics still requires cash to be economical. regards, Richard. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 11:41 am, David Rankin wrote: Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. Mr. Rankin; I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK? You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out There. On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit. I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company responsible for it? If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, now would we? My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little corner of the real world improves. For everyone. For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they want that as well. I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet; As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Clear enough? Kind Regards; Charlie Mahan - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 11:55:31 up 4 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.32, 0.16 Nostalgia is living life in the past lane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Yg5aG11CaRuZZSIRAlpcAKCGRDaiJpIArcAwcwVU4BcN4hv6KQCfQY4x CHeHJ4zSoJr4+N6Eoq5bC/E= =yVGy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nvidia, accelerated 3D support... I'm lost
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:16, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 01:41 pm, Praedor Tempus wrote: Jumping in late, I want to reiterate that you must remove MesaGL rpms if they are installed. They will dork up your nvidia. praedor Hmm, which Mesa stuff is that? I have the following installed and it doesn't cause any problems here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ rpm -qa | grep Mesa libMesaGLU1-devel-5.0-3mdk libMesaglut3-5.0-3mdk Mesa-5.0-3mdk Mesa-demos-5.0-3mdk libMesaGL1-5.0-3mdk libMesaGLU1-5.0-3mdk From what I understand it depends on order of install. If you install mesa... then install nvidia drivers. OK... (maybe) If you install nvidia then mesa 100% fubar. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Why doesn't cat print content of a file to standard output if the content is only a number ?
ML9.1 here. When I type in a Konsole cat /var/lock/subsys/dm no output is generated (dm containing the pid number of process prefdm) to the Konsole. But when I type kill `cat /var/lock/subsys/dm the process is effectively killed. I found this command in /etc/rc.d/init.d/dm: stop) gprintf Stopping display manager: if [ -r /var/lock/subsys/dm ]; then kill `cat /var/lock/subsys/dm` /dev/null 21 It took me a while to figure out that cat wouldn't print the content of a file to the Konsole(standard output) if that content consist only of a number. If that number is followed by a space in that file cat shows number on the Konsole. But if I type cat /var/lock/subsys/dm test.txt the number is copied to test.txt. And in the command kill `cat /var/lock/subsys/dm the number is correctly presented to the kill command. Why this behaviour for cat ? info cat gives me no clue. Is this a bug of cat or some sort of feature ? vatbier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:20, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 11:41 am, David Rankin wrote: Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. Mr. Rankin; I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK? You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out There. On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit. I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company responsible for it? If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, now would we? My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little corner of the real world improves. For everyone. For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they want that as well. I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet; As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Clear enough? Actually, You must also consider that you are making a contextual assumption. That assumption is that what you believe him to be talking about is in fact what he's referring to. His statement is, accurate. Now as to what it is that 100% of it's users loath. He hasn't specified. You have assumed. He didn't specify. So personally I didn't feel he was making any statement with which I find fault. He's right ... if 100% (or statistically close to 100% since nothing of man, is ever absolute.) of the users loath it. It will kill it. If however it isn't something that 100% loath but a large enough group do loath it also will kill, or cripple it. (Case in point, the Edsel, one vehicle line out of 20 offered that year, that nearly bankrupted Ford.) You yourself, have given over a scenario that might qualify as part of the 100% loath factor. When the adds intrude upon what you want to do. Say for example ... data mining. Personally I put the adds in place of screensavers (look into cooker you'll see that 9.2 has no screensavers other than xscreensaver in the main. This means that the adds are for Gnome and KDE the only available screensaver.) On the order of zeroconf, galaxy and mdkkdm. Unwanted intrusions that fall under the first order of removal and only serve to make Mandrake installs look more complicated than they really are. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
Hello, Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? Many thanks, James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:50:34 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? does it happen with just a certain CD, or have you tried other CD's to see if it's just a bad burn? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Remember, Grasshopper, falling down 1000 stairs begins by tripping over the first one. -- Confusion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
Any CD used. I can mount the floppy from any machine, but the cdrom drives. This is odd. Any clues? Is some process connecting to it? ~James On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:50:34 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? does it happen with just a certain CD, or have you tried other CD's to see if it's just a bad burn? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Remember, Grasshopper, falling down 1000 stairs begins by tripping over the first one. -- Confusion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:50, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? Many thanks, James usually the I/0 error is because the cd drive cannot for whatever reason read the cd itself. This is equivalent to the windows drive not ready pop-up window. In either case the problem is the same. The hardware can't read the media. james PS. Your fstab is good. Seems that with supermount the first thing declared has to be a dev if you don't want supermount to handle it. If you do ... you put it in later, and start the line with none. Note that this is AFIAK and subject to error correction. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:05:59 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Any CD used. I can mount the floppy from any machine, but the cdrom drives. This is odd. Any clues? Is some process connecting to it? what is the output of ls -l /dev/cdrom? is this a new install? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I hate dying. -- Dave Johnson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 12:51 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Mr. Rankin; I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK? You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out There. On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit. I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company responsible for it? If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, now would we? My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little corner of the real world improves. For everyone. For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they want that as well. I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet; As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Clear enough? Actually, You must also consider that you are making a contextual assumption. That assumption is that what you believe him to be talking about is in fact what he's referring to. His statement is, accurate. Now as to what it is that 100% of it's users loath. He hasn't specified. You have assumed. He didn't specify. So personally I didn't feel he was making any statement with which I find fault. He's right ... if 100% (or statistically close to 100% since nothing of man, is ever absolute.) of the users loath it. It will kill it. If however it isn't something that 100% loath but a large enough group do loath it also will kill, or cripple it. (Case in point, the Edsel, one vehicle line out of 20 offered that year, that nearly bankrupted Ford.) Bullshit James. 100% is 100% all the time every time and I don't fit the profile. So I'm making no assumptions here. I'm stating unequivocally the simple fact that nobody but me has the right to speak for me. In any way. In other words that IF (yours) is an awfully big word and I want to know what If means. ;) DR Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. under the subject line: DR Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising. borrowed from you BTW. Still no assumption except for David's that he knows what 100% of it's users loath. What is it's? Nobody here has been talking to me about what I think. Nor has anyone endeavoured to read my mind. You yourself, have given over a scenario that might qualify as part of the 100% loath factor. When the adds intrude upon what you want to do. Say for example ... data mining. Personally I put the adds in place of screensavers (look into cooker you'll see that 9.2 has no screensavers other than xscreensaver in the main. This means that the adds are for Gnome and KDE the only available screensaver.) On the order of zeroconf, galaxy and mdkkdm. Unwanted intrusions that fall under the first order of removal and only serve to make Mandrake installs look more complicated than they really are. Ah yes, I'll concede that point. To a degree, because the assumption *you* are making is that I would loath some undefined thing. All I said is that I would choose not to tolerate that behaviour, not that my fondness would turn to loathing. The difference is that I'm assuming that the choice is mine and that nobody has decided for me. Like any other entity in Nature; MandrakeSoft has to
RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
ls: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error Month old installs on both machines. thx James -Original Message- From: HaywireMac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1) On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:05:59 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Any CD used. I can mount the floppy from any machine, but the cdrom drives. This is odd. Any clues? Is some process connecting to it? what is the output of ls -l /dev/cdrom? is this a new install? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I hate dying. -- Dave Johnson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
I appreciate your response, and perhaps I was presumtive in my 100% suggestion. I do see your point. So why don't we all just declare the clean elegance of linux code and distributions dead. Let's all say Hey, it's OK to start down the path of code bloat and incideous little processes running in the background to direct spam to my machine. Say yes, I like the idea of pop-ups and spyware polluting my browser and desktop. And say yes to all the inconvenience just so someone can put another almighty dollar in thier pocket. Get real! Many people look to linux to get away for just this type of annoying BS. Yes, I like and support mandrake. But I am UTTERLY APPAULED at the premise and idea of including incestuos slutty advertising in the mdk distribution. Mdk was a great distro long before the corporatization and focus on $ became its fixation. In my eyes, and I will say in the eyes of many others, the inclusion of unwanted and unsolicited ads, in any form, no matter how easily removed is unacceptable that will make mdk a distribution I would no longer choose to be a part of or support. Hooray for the marketing scum, they have finally found a way to pollute a linux distribution. I guess someone will get a nice fat check for that idea. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax ...the right to trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty and property of the citizen. Texas Declaration of Independence (March 2, 1836) It's your bill of rights - Vote NO to Prop. 12 on September 13 -- - Original Message - From: Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 11:41 am, David Rankin wrote: Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. Mr. Rankin; I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK? You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out There. On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit. I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company responsible for it? If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, now would we? My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little corner of the real world improves. For everyone. For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they want that as well. I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet; As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Clear enough? Kind Regards; Charlie Mahan - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 11:55:31 up 4 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.32, 0.16 Nostalgia is living life in the past lane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Yg5aG11CaRuZZSIRAlpcAKCGRDaiJpIArcAwcwVU4BcN4hv6KQCfQY4x CHeHJ4zSoJr4+N6Eoq5bC/E= =yVGy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:42, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday September 12 2003 07:49 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Is there anything which I missed during last 10 days? I just received my 3 CDs of RC2 and am now in my thirteenth attempt to install it on a box where I installed 9.1 just the other week without problems. So there should be no hardware related issues. First crash (keyboard lights blinking) during formatting of the root partition (size 3GB ext3, /home is 5GB ext3)). Next time it formatted without error. Second crash during individual package selection. Dropped out of the graphics screen and shut down. Third crash during installation of packages (after about 5% crash with keyboard lights blinking) Fourth crash during switch from package selection to installation (screen frozen, no keyboard access) and so on Always at various different points. Twelwth crash right after selection of keyboard (screen frozen, keyboard no access). Again: 9.1 installation is on same harddisk and I did not change any hardware parts. 9.1 is running without errors (did some image editing with large memory access and 1 kernel compilation so far). wobo in any of these crashes was any info available on alt+f3? have you tried watching the consol messages as you install? atleast it will give you a good clue if your CDrom reader is the problem, Crashes at differnet spots certainly require 'hardware' to be included as a cause. Even if the hardware is the CD's, or your drives ability to read 'em. Attached is the RC2 md5sums. You can check with 'md5sum /mnt/cdrom' or 'md5sum /dev/hd?' in a console. Be patient, it'll probly take a minute or two before the result appears. 9725a5942d84390c691d78f95084b5ee MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso 78374f7ff4335f5b46b3cd7d8e2f3e94 MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso 70de3baa4a1e3f3c0229bed38b237d8a MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive is the cause, d/l the hd.img, dd it to a floppy, copy the CD's you have to HDD, an try'n install that way. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
Thanks, James, but this is occurring with all CDs. I think, maybe, with the automount is not working, but I don't know. Issuing a umount then mount doesn't fix it either. James -Original Message- From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:06 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1) On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:50, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? Many thanks, James usually the I/0 error is because the cd drive cannot for whatever reason read the cd itself. This is equivalent to the windows drive not ready pop-up window. In either case the problem is the same. The hardware can't read the media. james PS. Your fstab is good. Seems that with supermount the first thing declared has to be a dev if you don't want supermount to handle it. If you do ... you put it in later, and start the line with none. Note that this is AFIAK and subject to error correction. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] AntiVir Personal Edition
Been useing it for about 4 years. I actually used the avmailgate with postfix as a filter. I don't really worry about getting a Linux virus but I don't want to pass anything on to anyone and also my wife used a windows box. I have a cron job that updates the virus definition once a week. My wife's box also runs the personal version of the windows antivir that scans ecerything. So far (touch wood) nothings got through. At present I have 10 mails in quarantine waiting to be deleted, all received since 6 September. God knows how anyone survives on a windows box without an antivirus program, but I know quite a few. Nigel On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:05:55 -0400 Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I stumbled across anti-virus software from H+BEDV (a German company) for Linux. It's free for personal use, and was wondering if anyone here had used it, and if so what you think about it. Miark PS You can sign up for a free license at http://www.hbedv.com/private/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-) Maybe I should get back to work? or take it to the OT listg http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 01:56 pm, David Rankin wrote: edited, interspersed I appreciate your response, and perhaps I was presumtive in my 100% suggestion. I do see your point. So why don't we all just declare the clean elegance of linux code and distributions dead. Let's all say Hey, it's OK to start down the path of code bloat and incideous little processes running in the background to direct spam to my machine. Say yes, I like the idea of pop-ups and spyware polluting my browser and desktop. And say yes to all the inconvenience just so someone can put another almighty dollar in thier pocket. Get real! OK I will. Nobody has suggested there would be any data mining and automatic update and rotation of advertising related backgrounds/screen saver slide shows. I'd agree totally that I would be one of the first off the bus if this were to happen. But I didn't read those assumptions into that page. As to the Clean elegance of linux code.. and it's death; default screen-saver slide-shows and backgrounds are added at the whim of the distributions' developers and management under the GPL. What code corruption are we discussing? The kernel is GNU/Linux, Mandrake Linux is a distribution. I don't think any of the employees and management at MandrakeSoft are threatening to force you to run only their advertising branded .png files, or that you can't run the distribution on a compiled and customized vanilla kernel, do you? So what linux code are we on about? Many people look to linux to get away for just this type of annoying BS. Yes, I like and support mandrake. But I am UTTERLY APPAULED at the premise and idea of including incestuos slutty advertising in the mdk distribution. Mdk was a great distro long before the corporatization and focus on $ became its fixation. In my eyes, and I will say in the eyes of many others, the inclusion of unwanted and unsolicited ads, in any form, no matter how easily removed is unacceptable that will make mdk a distribution I would no longer choose to be a part of or support. I'm one of the people that came to GNU/Linux in general, and Mandrake Linux in specific, in order to regain control of what I paid for. That hasn't changed, and until it does I'll keep advocating and using this distribution. This is still a great distribution IMHO and a few fscking pictures aren't going to change that. That's my opinion, no one else has to agree. That's one of the most wonderful things about Open Source Software and the community built on it. Choice. Would you prefer Mandrake Linux become another SuSe and have no download edition? Or would you like to only be able to run it because you bought a subscription? Mandrake Linux is still a totally GPL compliant distribution as far as I can see, and will be after they add some detestable advertising pictures that I can delete. So can you. Hooray for the marketing scum, they have finally found a way to pollute a linux distribution. I guess someone will get a nice fat check for that idea. I still detest the product of Schools of Business and the Masters of Business Administration they've been producing for the past 25+ years. If they'd stop playing with models and get on with business there would be a lot less rancorous discussions such as this one in the world. Especially over _free software_. So I suppose your sarcasm and cynosure toward marketing departments is another thing we share. As well as a good debate apparently. g Thanks David. g Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 13:58:38 up 2:08, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 I hate it when my foot falls asleep during the day cause that means it's going to be up all night. -- Steven Wright -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YitLG11CaRuZZSIRAg2GAJ426bIjtFiWytxjt2zSU6YYeBdvMQCgmoN9 AEC59/5GXbEKMxnoCFprf+w= =v8i+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 02:14 pm, ed tharp wrote: Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-) Maybe I should get back to work? or take it to the OT listg http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot Thanks for the reference ET but I vowed never to return to that list. Besides this is only slightly OT iMHO. C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 14:24:47 up 2:34, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.13, 0.10 I own seven-eighths of all the artists in downtown Burbank! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YivYG11CaRuZZSIRAmDyAJ4/dcZqC+30uko3gWH6UA1AxEuxwQCbBHkK z3Sn9Ff5+4BzL3Fvz5O6Qqw= =lgZm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.2 install
Installed 9.2 rc2 today. Everything went fine. It even found my unused second HD and installed the program there. Then a problem occurred. It seems I changed lilo in the MBR so now only 9.2 would boot up. Got back to 9.1 by using the rescue disk on CD1. An article I read about dual boot of Mandrake said the bootloader should be on the HD instead of the MBR. Unfortunately, without a reinstall I don't know how to change it. I have windows installed and that was picked up by 9.2. Suggestions please. Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 12 Sep 2003 16:03:52 -0400: in any of these crashes was any info available on alt+f3? have you tried watching the consol messages as you install? atleast it will give you a good clue if your CDrom reader is the problem, As there were different crashes in different situations so there were different outputs on tty3. Of course I couldn't look when it was a kernel oops but others were due to some gtk error, some disk-write error, etc. 9725a5942d84390c691d78f95084b5ee MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso 78374f7ff4335f5b46b3cd7d8e2f3e94 MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso 70de3baa4a1e3f3c0229bed38b237d8a MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive is the cause, d/l the hd.img, dd it to a floppy, copy the CD's you have to HDD, an try'n install that way. Checksums I did not look at because I got the CDs from a reliable good source (in Paris, France) ;-) Point is, I tried the installation on my laptop and it worked like a charm. Found my WLAN card, my nvidia graphics card and installed the nvidia driver (can play tuxracer!), as well as the SiS sound chip. I'm just posting from there. But it wouldn't install on the other machine. Going to run a memtest this night. But just last week I installed 9.1 without a prob! Hmm... wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:26, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 02:14 pm, ed tharp wrote: Thanks for the debate James. This is fun. :-) Maybe I should get back to work? or take it to the OT listg http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot Thanks for the reference ET but I vowed never to return to that list. Besides this is only slightly OT iMHO. not really OT at all, (imho) and I am sorry you feel that someone could chase you away from any OT list, but hopefully the real reason to stay away is the banality. ie.; hopefully your life has more purpose than to read others OT opinions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:48:06 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ls: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error no, ls -l /dev/cdrom -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Nasrudin walked into a teahouse and declaimed, The moon is more useful than the sun. Why?, he was asked. Because at night we need the light more. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do
textinstalls, they'll probably be removed.
And how do you imagine they'll notice that?
Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the
number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions.
Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the
right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do
urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.)
What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to
something like this?
We do have principles you know.
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RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory Hmmm... What happened there? And how do I fix that? ~James -Original Message- From: HaywireMac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1) On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:48:06 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ls: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error no, ls -l /dev/cdrom -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Nasrudin walked into a teahouse and declaimed, The moon is more useful than the sun. Why?, he was asked. Because at night we need the light more. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 02:49 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-) Not fighting really, but it has been a rather lively discussion. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 14:54:58 up 3:04, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.11 A clever prophet makes sure of the event first. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YjL+G11CaRuZZSIRApqpAKCjDopz3yp9OiEiR/GoMmnA7TmCJACfcSFW V5mZVfGkYn/jq4sGQwoNtwo= =LDXR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:56:30 -0600: What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-) Have you read my point right at the beginning of this thread? I said all there is to say if you think a bit about what Mandrake has done over the last 5 years (Mandrake Linux had 5th birthday!) and what they could have done if they were such [fill in to your delight]. I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:49, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a suggestion that it would be done. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Friday 12 September 2003 23:07, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue. OK, so let's start a new thread on Mandrake undercutting ad-prices and selling itself (and thus us) too cheap;o) ..ducking and running ... Good luck, HarM BTW Charlie, when don't you work? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 03:07 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:56:30 -0600: What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-) Have you read my point right at the beginning of this thread? I said all there is to say if you think a bit about what Mandrake has done over the last 5 years (Mandrake Linux had 5th birthday!) and what they could have done if they were such [fill in to your delight]. I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue. wobo I also. Me too. I'm in! g Yeah, I read your comments, but sympa's been playing hide the posts again. So I read them much later than I should have. Thanks. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 15:11:18 up 3:20, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.27, 0.17 Please forgive me if, in the heat of battle, I sometimes forget which side I'm on. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YjbwG11CaRuZZSIRAoW2AJ4nzqztfGec4YJ/+bTX8Ib3lhLB8wCeOtQ/ AXdkPgyL/3hnqfyWq6bgFFA= =tzrQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
nothing i think since your device was /dev/hdc or hdd if i remember well your fstab. Did you touch your fstab before you had trouble? Once happend to me and i shutdown the machine and it worked well again. --- James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory Hmmm... What happened there? And how do I fix that? ~James -Original Message- From: HaywireMac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1) On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:48:06 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ls: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error no, ls -l /dev/cdrom -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Nasrudin walked into a teahouse and declaimed, The moon is more useful than the sun. Why?, he was asked. Because at night we need the light more. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 install
Gary Montalbine [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:33:59 -0400: Installed 9.2 rc2 today. Everything went fine. It even found my unused second HD and installed the program there. Then a problem occurred. It seems I changed lilo in the MBR so now only 9.2 would boot up. Got back to 9.1 by using the rescue disk on CD1. An article I read about dual boot of Mandrake said the bootloader should be on the HD instead of the MBR. Unfortunately, without a reinstall I don't know how to change it. I have windows installed and that was picked up by 9.2. Suggestions please. Go back into 9.2 which has installed the lilo in MBR. Login as root into a terminal (by typing 'su' and giving the root password in the next line). 1. Type 'lilo -u' which removes lilo from the MBR. 2. Type 'lilo -b /dev/hda5' if your root partition of 9.2 is on hda5. Reboot with your CD1 of 9.1. At the Welcome screen type F1. At the prompt type 'rescue'. The installer starts but switches to rescue mode soon. Choose the first option Re-install LILO in MBR or similar. It looks for a Mandrake 9.1 installation and hopefully finds yours. After that you can start again from 9.1 and choose a way to integrate 9.2 into your 9.1 LILO. I had to do this today (because of carelessness) and it worked. wobo wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 03:12 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 23:07, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I've nothing against this way of making some extra revenue. OK, so let's start a new thread on Mandrake undercutting ad-prices and selling itself (and thus us) too cheap;o) ..ducking and running ... Good luck, HarM BTW Charlie, when don't you work? When I start doing the migraine dance and can't step away from the porcelain receiver. g Besides what I do is Officially a hobby. No need to duck 'n' dash, I won't throw rocks. ;-) C. P.S.: Since this is such a short post I was going to edit out the fortune tacked on below. Then I read it and said nope! - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 15:15:13 up 3:24, 1 user, load average: 0.43, 0.31, 0.20 Youth is not a time of life, it is a state of mind; it is a temper of the will, a quality of the imagination, a vigour of the emotions, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over love of ease. Nobody grows old by merely living a number of years; people grow old only by deserting their ideals. Years wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. Worry, doubt, self-distrust, fear, and despair -- these are the long, long years that bow the head and turn the growing spirit back to dust. Whether seventy or sixteen, there is in every being's heart the love of wonder, the sweet amazement at the stars and the star like things and thoughts, the undaunted challenge of events, the unfailing childlike appetite for what next, and the joy and the game of life. You are as young as your faith, as old as your doubt; as young as your self-confidence, as old as your fear, as young as your hope, as old as your despair. So long as your heart receives messages of beauty, cheer, courage, grandeur and power from the earth, from man, and from the Infinite, so long you are young. -- Samuel Ullman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YjiyG11CaRuZZSIRAgmUAKCK8MNLkuI7LG/lbZRwJxTXfBdUNACfVE8T c/2xmoyjOEka6+iEhEfUn90= =mRqh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 install
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Gary Montalbine [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:33:59 -0400: Installed 9.2 rc2 today. Everything went fine. It even found my unused second HD and installed the program there. Then a problem occurred. It seems I changed lilo in the MBR so now only 9.2 would boot up. Got back to 9.1 by using the rescue disk on CD1. An article I read about dual boot of Mandrake said the bootloader should be on the HD instead of the MBR. Unfortunately, without a reinstall I don't know how to change it. I have windows installed and that was picked up by 9.2. Suggestions please. Go back into 9.2 which has installed the lilo in MBR. Login as root into a terminal (by typing 'su' and giving the root password in the next line). 1. Type 'lilo -u' which removes lilo from the MBR. 2. Type 'lilo -b /dev/hda5' if your root partition of 9.2 is on hda5. Reboot with your CD1 of 9.1. At the Welcome screen type F1. At the prompt type 'rescue'. The installer starts but switches to rescue mode soon. Choose the first option Re-install LILO in MBR or similar. It looks for a Mandrake 9.1 installation and hopefully finds yours. After that you can start again from 9.1 and choose a way to integrate 9.2 into your 9.1 LILO. I had to do this today (because of carelessness) and it worked. wobo wobo I am back in 9.1. using the rescue disc. How do I get to choose between 9.1 and 9.2 at bootup? Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:42, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 12, 2003 12:51 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Mr. Rankin; I do believe you're making a fairly broad assumption there David, on little or no evidence. In fact I openly stated that I don't care what they do to *survive,* as long as it doesn't become intrusive. If that happens I won't wait to say goodbye; I'll be history and thanks for the memories. So I would appreciate enormously you not trying to speak for 100% of Mandrake users. OK? You don't know what 100% of Mandrake users are thinking. If you claim to you must have political aspirations, or are possibly considering a career in the clergy, since to the best of my knowledge they are the only individuals that make such sweeping statements and broad assumptions just to get their faces Out There. On Faith in other words. So please try not to claim any form of poetic license since that's just a polite word for bullshit. I've also seen posts from some others that lead me to believe that they too would wait to see what happens. If we're running a distribution of GNU/Linux, and we are; and if we're advocating GNU/Linux to friends, family, and business associates, and it seems we all are, then why the Hell are we complaining if a survival mechanism for the distribution we all seem to treasure is instituted so that we can keep working with it and the company responsible for it? If none of us gave a shit we wouldn't be complaining so vociferously, now would we? My own personal mantra doesn't include whining about the way the world is. I'd rather devote my energies to making certain my own little corner of the real world improves. For everyone. For the people that are willing to listen to me around these parts, that improvement includes, and will continue to include for the foreseeable future, Mandrake Linux. If the management of MandrakeSoft have to take drastic steps to insure their corporate survival it must mean they want that as well. I'll say it once more for those that didn't get it yet; As long as whatever the 'Powers That Be' in MandrakeSoft Management do doesn't intrude on me, or those that I advocate the distribution to, I'll back them the way I always have. If it does, _boom!_ I'm gone. Not an ultimatum, a fact. A very *personal fact;* that means nothing in the greater scheme of things. Clear enough? Actually, You must also consider that you are making a contextual assumption. That assumption is that what you believe him to be talking about is in fact what he's referring to. His statement is, accurate. Now as to what it is that 100% of it's users loath. He hasn't specified. You have assumed. He didn't specify. So personally I didn't feel he was making any statement with which I find fault. He's right ... if 100% (or statistically close to 100% since nothing of man, is ever absolute.) of the users loath it. It will kill it. If however it isn't something that 100% loath but a large enough group do loath it also will kill, or cripple it. (Case in point, the Edsel, one vehicle line out of 20 offered that year, that nearly bankrupted Ford.) Bullshit James. 100% is 100% all the time every time and I don't fit the profile. So then 100% isn't 100% it's 99.9 (infinity) So I'm making no assumptions here. I'm stating unequivocally the simple fact that nobody but me has the right to speak for me. In any way. Mathematically yes. You are correct. But in real life it's often not. Humans being what they are. Ask G-Dubya. In other words that IF (yours) is an awfully big word and I want to know what If means. ;) And I'm searching but can't find the word if except where you use it.. h. DR Good bye Mandrake I can think of no more assinine way to kill a distribution's reputation than to add to it what 100% of its user loath. under the subject line: DR Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising. borrowed from you BTW. Still no assumption except for David's that he knows what 100% of it's users loath. What is it's? Nobody here has been talking to me about what I think. Nor has anyone endeavoured to read my mind. And if I did read your mind what makes you think I'd let you know *grin*. You yourself, have given over a scenario that might qualify as part of the 100% loath factor. When the adds intrude upon what you want to do. Say for example ... data mining. Personally I put the adds in place of screensavers (look into cooker you'll see that 9.2 has no screensavers other than xscreensaver in the main. This means that the adds are for Gnome and KDE the only available screensaver.) On the order of zeroconf, galaxy and mdkkdm. Unwanted intrusions that fall under the first order of removal
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:37, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 12 Sep 2003 16:03:52 -0400: in any of these crashes was any info available on alt+f3? have you tried watching the consol messages as you install? atleast it will give you a good clue if your CDrom reader is the problem, As there were different crashes in different situations so there were different outputs on tty3. Of course I couldn't look when it was a kernel oops but others were due to some gtk error, some disk-write error, etc. 9725a5942d84390c691d78f95084b5ee MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso 78374f7ff4335f5b46b3cd7d8e2f3e94 MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso 70de3baa4a1e3f3c0229bed38b237d8a MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso If the md5sums don't check, or you suspect your CD drive is the cause, d/l the hd.img, dd it to a floppy, copy the CD's you have to HDD, an try'n install that way. Checksums I did not look at because I got the CDs from a reliable good source (in Paris, France) ;-) A second way to check a disk. (I use and trust this a bit more than just md5sum) cd to the rpms directory on the disk. # rpm -K --nogpg *.rpm | grep NOT What this does is run and check the md5 sum of each individual rpm in the directory. Ignore checking gpg signature, and only return the results if there is a problem. Other nice thing that is a side fallout is that since the rpms make up the vast majority of the CD you'll also get some idea of readability as well. James Point is, I tried the installation on my laptop and it worked like a charm. Found my WLAN card, my nvidia graphics card and installed the nvidia driver (can play tuxracer!), as well as the SiS sound chip. I'm just posting from there. But it wouldn't install on the other machine. Going to run a memtest this night. But just last week I installed 9.1 without a prob! Hmm... One thing I have had happen. On locally burned cd's If they are burned at a high (read 12x or faster) speed some of my cdroms don't read them well. The only way I can describe it is as a tracking error. I've also had drives that don't like certain media. (My laptop hates the higher quality Maxell blanks but never burps on the el-cheapo GQ blanks go figure.) wobo __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 install
Gary Montalbine schrieb am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:33:23 -0400: I am back in 9.1. using the rescue disc. How do I get to choose between 9.1 and 9.2 at bootup? Gary Have you installe 9.2 LILO in the BR of the root partition of 9.2? I so, do this: In 9.1 edit your /etc/lilo.conf (as root, of course) and add: other=/dev/hda5 label=man92 Assuming your root partition of 9.2 is on hda5. Then do a nice '/sbin/lilo' with your 9.1 and you are done. Afterwards you can set your lilo.conf in 9.2 so that you don't have to see a second lilo menue. But, as they say, there are many ways to grill a dog, and I'm sure you'll read other ways here to do that. wobo -- ... and anyway, html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- GnuPG Public Key on http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:10, James D. Parra wrote: Thanks, James, but this is occurring with all CDs. I think, maybe, with the automount is not working, but I don't know. Issuing a umount then mount doesn't fix it either. James Have you cleaned the boxes (as in dust removal) of late? Maybe some dust got in the drive if you did that. Are any of the boxes dual boot? (check the cd's in the other OS.) Finally if you insert disc1 can you boot to the rescue disk. (this will tell you if BIOS is even able to access the CD drive.) -Original Message- From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:06 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1) On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:50, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, Tried to cd to /mnt/cdrom, but received, -bash: cd: /mnt/cdrom: Input/output error. The fstab has the following entry; none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepa ge=850,umask=0 0 0 Why is the none in there and is this what is causing the problem? I went to another MDK box and received the same error. What's happening and how can I fix this? Many thanks, James usually the I/0 error is because the cd drive cannot for whatever reason read the cd itself. This is equivalent to the windows drive not ready pop-up window. In either case the problem is the same. The hardware can't read the media. james PS. Your fstab is good. Seems that with supermount the first thing declared has to be a dev if you don't want supermount to handle it. If you do ... you put it in later, and start the line with none. Note that this is AFIAK and subject to error correction. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:00:54 -0700 James D. Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory Ay caramba! and this is on two seperate machines, and happened just recently?! can you think of *anything* that may have been changed, or that is in common with both that would have happened recently? as root, try: lsof -D /dev/cdrom this is really really weird to happen to two comps at the same time :-\ -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Truth is hard to find and harder to obscure. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't connect to /mnt/cdrom (MDK 9.1)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) R N dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: nothing i think since your device was /dev/hdc or hdd if i remember well your fstab. ah yes, I missed that. I hate to say it, but a reboot might be in order...like R N Dev said. but just out of curiosity, what does ls -l /dev/hdc say? -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Ninety percent of everything is crap. -- Theodore Sturgeon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 02:56:30PM -0600, Charlie M. wrote:
Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many
users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed.
And how do you imagine they'll notice that?
Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on
the number of impressions seen by this box including install
impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing
habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users
habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the
mix.)
What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever
stoop to something like this?
We do have principles you know.
Thank you Vincent, I thought I was fighting alone here. :-)
Not fighting really, but it has been a rather lively discussion.
I'm actually refusing to discuss the topic itself (I've made two posts on
cooker and that's all I will make on it). But this spyware/data mining
thing is just plain ridiculous.
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Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 02:10:58PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do
textinstalls, they'll probably be removed.
And how do you imagine they'll notice that?
Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the
number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions.
Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the
right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do
urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.)
What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to
something like this?
We do have principles you know.
The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a
suggestion that it would be done.
I would have answered: they have no way of noticing unless they had a public
poll and asked you.
Just mentioning data mining will stir the pot enough that people will start
flipping out and tomorrow we'll see a /. post about how we're data mining as
well as removing all screensavers and replacing them with ads.
/me shudders
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[expert] ML9.1:Kwrite:unicode encoding breaks reading of old iso8859-15 text files
It was really annoying to find out that ML9.1:KDE3.1:Kwrite has as default unicode encoding (utf8) whereas in ML8.2 Kwrite saved files in iso8859-15 encoding. I had a iso8859-15 encoded file that I write in with Kwrite in ML9.1 and in ML8.2. The normal English characters are represented the same in iso8859-15 and in utf8, but my European characters like é,è,ï,ë,ç all became crippled by the utf8 encoding of Kwrite in ML9.1. Took me a while to correct that problem as the file is rather big. I read somewhere that KDE3.1 now uses unicode encoding. That's good info, but I'd like to learn about this kind of changes at the time of installing Mandrake 9.1. So please put a big warning sticker at Install time to warn (non-English) people that certain word processors now use unicode encoding without being clear about it. The only wordprocessor that works correctly is KWord that asks when you open a plain text file what kind of encoding it has. You can view iso8859-15 text files correctly by opening them in Kwrite and changing the display encoding with View:Set Encoding:iso8859-15 Also Kwrite has some annoying bugs: When you open a text file, by clicking in Konqueror it is opened in utf8 encoding and when you save it with the Save command it is saved in utf8 encoding. But if you use the Save as command, the saving defaults to koi8-r encoding (Russian) as it is the first entry in the character encoding listing in the Save as dialog. So remember to change this to utf8. Also when you have a text file opened by Kwrite and you want to open another iso8859-15 text file, using File:Open and selecting the iso8859-15 encoding in the Open File dialog, it is displayed in utf8 encoding. Only when you open a blank KWrite window from the menu you can use the Open File dialog and select the iso8859-15 encoding and it is correctly shown in iso8859-15. Otherwise you have to use View:Set Encoding:iso8859-15. vatbier __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I need a sound editor for mp3 and or wav files
Yep! You are genius! Thanks so much. Now let me ask why I need to do this... Is this because of a bug or the way the application was designed, or is it like a gnome product that I'm trying to use in KDE? I don't think it has anything to do with gnome. Audacity I believe uses some of the gtk+ libraries - it does seem to have that look and feel. But 99% of the time I can get by without needing artswrapper - the other times I can work around it. Only once in a while would something like xmms refuse to play a location because of an arts dependency - and those few times I can reort to mpg123 or some other player. Unfortunately, kaboodle noatun have trouble (cooker with latest KDE) for sometime. But there are alternatives, not necessarily so with audacity. Thanks to EVERYONE for all the help. I do believe I finally have an editor to cut the screech out of my songs. :) Im not a happy camper and I didn't even No, leave it in, it sounds better that way :). But audacity does include quite a bit of tools for audio file editing. I've only managed to scratch the surface. David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
It is something to do with root-tail, but I can't figure out what it is... :-( Isn't root-tail some feature of reiserfs? Or am I missing sometning here? According to 'man top' it seems -b just sends lines of top through to stdout until a limit has been reached or until the process is killed. HaywireMac David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] root-tail
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered: Isn't root-tail some feature of reiserfs? Or am I missing sometning here? No, it's a package which displays the contents of a file on your root window, kinda cool. According to 'man top' it seems -b just sends lines of top through to stdout until a limit has been reached or until the process is killed. Like I say, when I run top -b file, it shows me all running processes, and continues to do so until I kill it, hence the rather rapid growth of the size of the file I created, LOL! Here is the content of the file, at least one entry of it, the whole thing is several hundred lines since top refreshes every few seconds by default. top - 17:44:58 up 2 days, 18:04, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.05 Tasks: 70 total, 1 running, 69 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 9.9% user, 3.0% system, 0.1% nice, 87.0% idle Mem:384600k total, 341612k used,42988k free,17652k buffers Swap: 811240k total,10916k used, 800324k free, 242096k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ Command 7224 joehill 17 0 880 880 688 R 1.9 0.2 0:00.05 top 1 root 4 0 104 76 56 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.78 init 2 root 10 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.94 keventd 3 root 9 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kapmd 4 root 19 19 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.25 ksoftirqd_CPU0 5 root 9 0 0 00 S 0.0 0.0 0:08.09 kswapd 6 root 9 0 00 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 bdflush 7 root 9 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.08 kupdated 8 root -1 -20 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mdrecoveryd 12 root 9 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.71 kjournald 86 root 9 0 876 728 664 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.48 devfsd 175 root 9 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 khubd 315 root 9 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:10.10 kjournald 636 root 8 084 52 36 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 ifplugd 708 root 8 0 648 480 404 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.01 dhclient 768 rpc9 06800 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 portmap 782 root 9 0 228 180 124 S 0.0 0.0 0:03.65 syslogd 790 root 9 0 996 164 152 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.19 klogd 833 rpcuser9 08800 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rpc.statd 925 xfs9 0 4480 2736 2056 S 0.0 0.7 0:01.99 xfs 963 daemon 9 0 124 104 100 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 atd 984 root 9 0 20044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 saslauthd 994 root 9 0 20044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 saslauthd 995 root 9 0 20044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 saslauthd 996 root 9 0 20044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 saslauthd 998 root 9 0 20044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 saslauthd 1016 daemon 9 0 200 172 88 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.77 tmdns
[expert] Dynamic dns
I am migrating from Win XP to Mandrake Linux. My Apache web server is up and running I have a *simple* problem with dynamic IP and DNS: 0. Registered my domain for $7.95 with GoDaddy 1. My DNS is through Zoneedit.com (to support Dynamic DNS) 2. I use Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 to update Zoneedit.com when my IP address changes This all works fine, but I have not found a Linux replacement for Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 Info: My DSL box uses NAT, and is set up to forward http traffic to the web server, so the IP address as seen by the internet is not the same as the actual apache web server address. Guess the WAN ip address of the router can be found with routetrace, or just query the speedstream router. How the IP address is sent to zoneedit.com is unkonwn to me. Thanks, Erik Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:03, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 02:10:58PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a suggestion that it would be done. I would have answered: they have no way of noticing unless they had a public poll and asked you. Just mentioning data mining will stir the pot enough that people will start flipping out and tomorrow we'll see a /. post about how we're data mining as well as removing all screensavers and replacing them with ads. /me shudders Point taken. Downside, We will get asked. Double downside. It's already on slashdot (before I even posted the first post in the thread) and This question is already being asked. Not by me. But it is rearing it's ugly head. I still think trying to get boxed sets in stores next to SuSE and RedHat is a better way to generate income. But that just my opinion. Especially if they sold the disk only set this way. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dynamic dns
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:34:01 -0700 Erik Evjenth [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 2. I use Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 to update Zoneedit.com when my IP address changes This all works fine, but I have not found a Linux replacement for Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 http://zoneclient.sourceforge.net/ just run it as a cronjob (configure thru Webmin on your server), works perfectly. use http://checkip.dyndns.org as a reflector. command line would go like this: zoneclient.py -q -r http://checkip.dyndns.org/ user pass hostname(s) you can get to webmin on your server at https://localhost:1 -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 installation
On Friday September 12 2003 04:47 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: A second way to check a disk. (I use and trust this a bit more than just md5sum) cd to the rpms directory on the disk. # rpm -K --nogpg *.rpm | grep NOT What this does is run and check the md5 sum of each individual rpm in the directory. Ignore checking gpg signature, and only return the results if there is a problem. Other nice thing that is a side fallout is that since the rpms make up the vast majority of the CD you'll also get some idea of readability as well. James Thanks. You're point about the overall readability is well taken James. OTOH (runnin current cooker, rpm-4.2-18mdk), RPMS # rpm -K --nogpg *.rpm | grep NOT --nogpg: unknown option So I removed --nogpg an tried again, RPMS # rpm -K *.rpm | grep NOT (after a minute or so) RPMS # I take it that since no result was output, that the CDr is OK? 'rpm --help' says that -K just checks package signatures, so maybe nothin was really done? If so, I suspect md5sum is a better check. It also has to read the whole CD image. This was on RC2 CD1, burned withcdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -dao ...and the md5sum from the iso on HDD before, and CDr after burnin checked. For the original poster, back when I ran cooker with a dialup and help with ocaissonal cooker CD's from friends, I often had trouble reading they're burned CDr's. Specially with a CDrom, tho booting from my burner would often work well enough to get me thru the install after a few tries. In any event, I believe your system is just havin trouble with the CD's you were sent. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Why doesn't cat print content of a file to standard output if the content is only a number ?
NO, the output of cat /var/lock/subsys/dm is written over by the prompt of my shell (dm has a number like 1114) [EMAIL PROTECTED] home]$ cat /var/lock/subsys/dm [EMAIL PROTECTED] home]$ My system is Mandrake Linux 9.1 with bash v2.05b Is it possible to change this bash behaviour so that the prompt doesn't overwrite output of a command? If I type this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home]$ echo -n This is an example of what happens me [EMAIL PROTECTED] home]$ cat me [EMAIL PROTECTED] home]$ of what happens then I have to press Enter to be able to write at my prompt. Also the reason why I thought this only happened with a number was that I tested it with text files created by KWrite. I just found out that (sometimes) if I replace a number with some other characters KWrite adds a newline character by itself. I then had the impression that it didn't happen with text characters. Thank you all for the quick responses, vatbier __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Friday 12 September 2003 03:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James James: You really stirred it up this time. Good job! Since all of the hullabaloo began (./, PCLO, the Club, here and other places), Mandrake has issued a clarification at http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 IMHO, I'd prefer not to have the ads, but if they help to get Mandrake's head above the water, it's worth a try. I'll try hard not to think about the image of the camel's head poking under the edge of the tent. i'm looking forward to the inevitable ZDNet article. The reader responses there do wonders for my self esteem -- most of them seem to be from people who have been judged to be too crude and too stupid to appear on Jerry Springer. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:10, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:49, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Much of the problem is that if it is noticed that too many users do textinstalls, they'll probably be removed. And how do you imagine they'll notice that? Data Mining, Once you log in it sends back to MDK information on the number of impressions seen by this box including install impressions. Then eventually you tie it into the users web surfing habits so that the right kind of adds get sold to match the users habits. (when you do urpmi updates you get your new adds in the mix.) What on God's green earth makes you think MandrakeSoft would ever stoop to something like this? We do have principles you know. The question was how I could imagine that it would be noticed. Not a suggestion that it would be done. James we have had ads for mandrake products all along,,, some other ads might be just as well... just my $.02 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dynamic dns
Erik Evjenth grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I am migrating from Win XP to Mandrake Linux. My Apache web server is up and running I have a *simple* problem with dynamic IP and DNS: 0. Registered my domain for $7.95 with GoDaddy 1. My DNS is through Zoneedit.com (to support Dynamic DNS) 2. I use Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 to update Zoneedit.com when my IP address changes This all works fine, but I have not found a Linux replacement for Dynamic DNS Client 5.0 Info: My DSL box uses NAT, and is set up to forward http traffic to the web server, so the IP address as seen by the internet is not the same as the actual apache web server address. Guess the WAN ip address of the router can be found with routetrace, or just query the speedstream router. How the IP address is sent to zoneedit.com is unkonwn to me. Check out www.no-ip.com. I use them, and have liked them for some time now. They deal with NAT just fine, and have a Linux updater client. --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:56, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 03:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Ya'll read... Ya'll decide. Conversation is on pclinux. probably best to keep it there. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7702 For the discussion please go to the second link... James James: You really stirred it up this time. Good job! Since all of the hullabaloo began (./, PCLO, the Club, here and other places), Mandrake has issued a clarification at http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 IMHO, I'd prefer not to have the ads, but if they help to get Mandrake's head above the water, it's worth a try. I'll try hard not to think about the image of the camel's head poking under the edge of the tent. i'm looking forward to the inevitable ZDNet article. The reader responses there do wonders for my self esteem -- most of them seem to be from people who have been judged to be too crude and too stupid to appear on Jerry Springer. -- cmg The old story of any news is good news. I do think that admw over in cooker (I didn't start that thread *grin*) has a valid point. Mandrake should state what they won't do, as well as what they will. Personally I don't think the people at MDK would ever allow any kind of spyware or data mining of individual users. I'd love it if they would come right out and say that. Next nice thing. MDK and 9.2 are hitting the front pages. YIPPEE No more Aren't they dead. questions. Now if I can just get the funds together to setup a boxed set distro channel. (Oh and it's also going to take a bit of learning just what the heck that entails *grin* don't think it will happen.) I'd love to have the boxes on the shelves. Either that or I could get lucky enough to convince someone to let me assemble a book called Managing Desktop Linux with URPMI and include a 3 disk set, of 9.2. 2 things have got to go to the forefront. Mandrakes commitment to GPL, and URPMI. Sorry Debian users. I've used and like apt-get. But URPMI is much, much, better control. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
