[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
Here's the relevant definition of covert agent and so on: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/chapters/15/subchapt ers/iv/sections/section_426.html Section 426. Definitions For the purposes of this subchapter: (1) The term ''classified information'' means information or material designated and clearly marked or clearly represented, pursuant to the provisions of a statute or Executive order (or a regulation or order issued pursuant to a statute or Executive order), as requiring a specific degree of protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national security. (2) The term ''authorized'', when used with respect to access to classified information, means having authority, right, or permission pursuant to the provisions of a statute, Executive order, directive of the head of any department or agency engaged in foreign intelligence or counterintelligence activities, order of any United States court, or provisions of any Rule of the House of Representatives or resolution of the Senate which assigns responsibility within the respective House of Congress for the oversight of intelligence activities. (3) The term ''disclose'' means to communicate, provide, impart, transmit, transfer, convey, publish, or otherwise make available. (4) The term ''covert agent'' means - (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency - (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and - (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or (C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency. (5) The term ''intelligence agency'' means the Central Intelligence Agency, a foreign intelligence component of the Department of Defense, or the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. (6) The term ''informant'' means any individual who furnishes information to an intelligence agency in the course of a confidential relationship protecting the identity of such individual from public disclosure. (7) The terms ''officer'' and ''employee'' have the meanings given such terms by section 2104 and 2105, respectively, of title 5. (8) The term ''Armed Forces'' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. (9) The term ''United States'', when used in a geographic sense, means all areas under the territorial sovereignty of the United States and the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands. (10) The term ''pattern of activities'' requires a series of acts with a common purpose or objective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way that article or anything even remotely like it would ever be read to Maharishi. Any organization which sincerely and with great fanfare crowns Kings and offers million dollar courses isn't interested in hearing that they might have something to learn from a humble soul who hugs people (and for FREE, no less!!). And any organization (or person) that feels they no longer have anything to learn is already pretty much dead... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 11:11 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I'll bet someone on staff will read him that editorial in the FF Ledger... Might generate a thought or two... I doubt it. My understanding is that you don't bring anything critical of the movement to M's attention. If you do, your bags are packed by the time you get back to your room and you're out of there. That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local paper, The Fairfield Ledger asks tough editorial questions: The larger question, though, is whether Amma's popularity in the Fairfield meditating community is a symptom of problems with in the TM movement itself. In a shift of editorial policy, there's quite an editorial questioning the the health and policy of the TMO in Thursday's Ledger. Using the Ammachi visit to contrast with the policy and airs of the TMO the Ledger probes and makes some tough comparisons. snips Amma's humanitarian efforts- - contrast just as sharply with the TM movement's fundraising campaignsFaced with a choice between an organization that builds homes for the poor and one that builds palaces, it is no wonder many people would rather give their money to the former. If Maharishi's organization dropped some of its airs, it would be less likely to lose followers to Amma or any other guru. The TM movement can crown all the kings and build all the palaces it wants, but it could still learn a thing or two from a humble Indian woman who travels around the world giving hugs. The question then is: are the hugs and other good works she does more or less valid than the operations of the TMO? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Certainty vs Reasonableness of a View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You're confusing the need to know issue with the security issue, BTW. And in Rove's job, he would have pretty much a blanket need to know access as long as it was authorized by the President. Actually you introduced the need to know issue. I was quite fine without it. But need to know is at the core of hte issue. You can have the highest possible security classification and NOT be authorized to know some trivial Confidential (lower classification level than Secret) matter. So I still don't get your dismissive 'sigh. I don't see any new points here or rebuttals to what was said before. You apparently have an iron clad certainty that Rove has the security clearance to know the covert status of someone who might be briefing him on something. I understand that its reasonable to expect that he has such. Totally stipulated to. But my singular and repeated questions is: do have certain evidence of it? Without evidence to the contrary, why assume (or discuss) the far less likely alternative? Unless the investigator explicitly says Rove didn't have the security clearance that WE BOTH AGREE IS THE MOST LIKELY CASE, why are we arguing this point? And given that Lawrence O'Donnell, who is one of the most knowledgable people I have heard on the topic, states he doesn't think Rove has that clearance. And he writes for WEST WING fo GODS SAKE!!! -- what more of an authority do you want than that!! :) I think Lawrence O'Donnell, whoever he is, is talking through his ass even more than I am. You've already said that you think that Roveprobably did have the clearance, so why raise someone else's claim that he didn't and claim this guy is credible? And would you stake your life and those of your family on your certainty. (See adjacent post. This is not a cute resposne, but a common exercise people in risk assessment use as a measure of 100% certainty.) I never said it was 100% certainty, so why raise this issue? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Reliable on-the-scene sources have told me that a lot of the money (maybe 40%) the TMO brings into India is misappropriated. Define misappropriated and why haven't there been arrests made? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nope. America = Liberal and there's no denying it. Right wing religious nuts don't belong here...and they know it. Liberal = American, and the day that changesit's not America anymore. Actually America was first *settled* by right- wing religious nuts who came here because they were being persecuted for their nuttiness in the Old Country. Yes, but what has that got to do with modern America ? The original Founders are reatking the country? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Amazing Multipe Connotations of Words to Different Listeners
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you look back on the whole exchange, you'll see that context could not have referred to anything but the original interview. You are such a great case study for cognitive exclusivity, not open to any interpretations of something other than your own. You're going straight down the Barry road. Make sure it ends up where you want to be before you go much further. More ad homenum attacks. Barry Road is an _ad hominem_ attack? What do you perceive she meant by it and why did you assume it was an attack? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. Probably a relatively recent addition. Did you become a TM teacher after Robin Carlson proclaimed himself Shankaracharya of NOrth America? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: As the great tragedies of history approach, we become paralysed
So you think that MMY's goal has always been to lord it over us all on this planet earth? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone here seriously believe that MMY' latest corny pronouncements and initiatives are really going to make a difference? Who can deny that our world is totally wired for nuclear war, right now as we speak. He played his game - all out for his own personal status and recognition. In the end, it was all about HIM. But now, the game is lost. It's over. It is his destiny, not to ahieve his desire to lord it over us all on this planet earth. He may rush around frantically giving orders now, and just as quickly abandoning plans, but the truth is, that he is deluding himself in thinking that it will work.. Better to remain in denial, than to face the fact that there is NO WAY OUT of the current world crises. Same goes for all those TB's who blindly accept his corny dictates. They also, reveal a callous indifference, for the millions upon millions who could really benefit from learning TM, (and would have if they had been given a chance, ie, if it was within their financial reach). These hardhearted plutarchs really belong back in Roman times. Karma will eventually catch up with these rascals. What is most unfortunate, is that we also, have to share in that karma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: As the great tragedies of history approach, we become paralyzed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can bet that if the world goes to hell in a hand basket, surviving TM loyalists will say that it is the world's fault, for ignoring MMY's repeated offers. And of course, you'll never be able to prove any different... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Any meditators living in Fort Collins, Colorado
Anyone know of TMers living in Fort Collins, Colorado. Please have them contact me. Thanks We just moved here and it's really a cool place, plenty of good energy. Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] John Hagelin is James Otis; John Kerry is Andrew Jackson, according to Semkiw's Return of the Revolutionaries. The consistency of facial features (as well as personalities, turns of phrase, etc .) across incarnations is remarkable in these and other cases provided there...:- ) Bobby Roth is Thomas Paine... http://www.johnadams.net/ John Hagelin, Ph.D., Natural Law Party presidential candidate and Harvard physicist, is identified as the reincarnation of American Revolutionary James Otis, who was famous for using the argument of Natural Law against the British in court. Dr. Hagelin's press secretary, Robert Roth, author of A Reason to Vote, is identified as the reincarnation of Thomas Paine.- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hagelin is James Otis I wonder if Hagelin remembers this: http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1204.html In 1769, at the height of his popularity and influence, Otis was pulled from the public stage. He had infuriated a Boston custom- house official with a vicious newspaper attack; the official beat Otis on his head with a cane. For the remainder of his life, Otis was subject to long bouts of mental instability. He was unable to participate in public affairs and spent most of his time wandering through the streets of Boston, enduring the taunts of a populace that had quickly forgotten his contributions. Otis was struck and killed by lightning in May 1783. Some subtle stress bubbling up? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took me many years, but I finally got to the point where I didn't try to intellectualize all my experiences and just accepted them for what they were. If you truly see the Divine even in dogshit on your shoe, then that is your experience. When I see dogshit on my shoe, I crinkle my nose and try to clean it off ASAP. the trick is to see the Divine in the dogshit AND realize its good to clean it off your shoe... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] How do you know the inner heart of teachers and wether they care or not? Someone willing to donate $3 million in order to perform a thankless job while wearing a stupid costume is likely more caring than the person who picks up their marbles and runs down the street yelling they're all a bunch of LSERS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. But if its only a matter of opnion, rather than direct perception, does it matter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 8:38 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO will not survive based on wealthy teachers or there friends. It's too late for that. Look at the church. Then think about long term survival of esoteric knowlege. Knowlege survives by knowers. Books and buildings are only the surface. How do you know the inner heart of teachers and wether they care or not? When M started the movement, he said brahmacharis and buildings would perpetuate it. Well, I think it's a bust on both counts, then ;-) There are few brahmacharis and he only keeps the buildings long enough to make a profit. ??? So all buildings are sold once its more profitable? I guess that's why they're pouring money into the rennovation program at MUM: Vedic Architecture is known to increase the value of a property by massive amounts --far more than any other kind of improvement... JohnY PS. I'll bet someone on staff will read him that editorial in the FF Ledger... Might generate a thought or two... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. In all the agreements that I have signed since I became a TM-Teacher in 1975, it says nothing about not to see other gurus. What we did sign, was to keep the knowledge pure and not give it out to other organisations. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Zen-Way
The Way Discovered in 1739 (excerpt) Do people who study the Way actually gain these benefits and pleasures? If they do, then why do people of the world all get irritated when they see people who study the Way, considering them eccentrics or phonies? The Tao Te Ching says, "When superior people hear of the Way, they travel it diligently. When mediocre people hear of the way, they seem aware, yet are as if oblivious. When lesser people hear of the Way, they laugh at it out loud. What they don't laugh at couldn't be the Way." Principle The Way is one and only one. On the celestial level it is called destiny; on the human level it is called essential nature. On the phenomenal level it is called principle. This principle circulates throughout the world, appearing in daily activities. Every event and every thing has a natural principle, which cannot be dispensed with. Thus there is a principle whereby things are as they are; it cannot be altered, only followed. Superior people observe things in terms of principle- right or wrong, good or bad, they deal with them accordingly. This is called selflessness. Selflessness results in objectivity; objectivity results in clarity. Clarity results in dealing with events accurately and comprehending the nature of things. If you view things through your ego, then love and hatred arise uncontrollably, and you cannot avoid indulging feelings. When you indulge feelings, then you are being subjective. When you are subjective, you are ignorant. When you are ignorant, you are mixed up and confused; you are only aware of yourself, not of principle. _ Product of the Ming Dynasty, author unknown, 1739 Excerpted from "Taoist Meditation - Methods for Cultivating a Healthy Mind and Body" Trans by Thomas Cleary to read entire article: http://www.dailyzen.com/zen/zen_reading0507.asp Jason --__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
I think it is some Ego built in that Raja-thing. When a re-certified TM-Teacher says that it is his largest desire to be a Raja, he looks about the Raja-thing to be on the top of the TMO - the top on the World. Power and control - real Maya. He is not humble. He did not say - my largest desire is to give the knowledge to as many as possible. I have never met Amma - but I have ordered some products from her organisation - and what I feel is that she is a real Guru with a big Heart. When I learned TM (1962) - it was very much because my TM- Teacher was radiating love and compassion. And that is what Amma do. The world is full of intellectual discussions and analysis and science. But I think that Amma fills a need for just simplicity and love. I hope I will meet her some day. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone willing to donate $3 million in order to perform a thankless job while wearing a stupid costume is likely more caring than the person who picks up their marbles and runs down the street yelling they're all a bunch of LSERS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit words of the day: raja and maya
Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results
2 raja 1 m. (g. %{pacA7di}) = %{rajas} , dust (cf. %{nI-} , %{vi-r-}) ;
the pollen of flowers , Prasan3ga7bh. ; the menstrual excretion (also
n.) L. ; emotion , affeetion L.: the quality of passion Un2. iv , 216
Sch. ; N. of one of Skanda's attendants MBh. ; of a king (son of
Viraja) VP.
1 maya 1 m. (3. %{mA}) N. of an Asura (the artificer or architect of
the Daityas , also versed in magic , astronomy and military science)
MBh. Ka1v. c. ; N. of various teachers and authors (esp. of an
astronomer and a poet) Cat. ; (%{A}) f. medical treatment L.
2 maya 2 m. (prob. fr. 2. %{mA}) a horse VS. ; a camel L. ; a mule L. ;
(%{I}) f. a mare La1t2y. Sch. [789,2]
3 maya 3 m. (1. %{mI}) hurting , injuring W.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 10:35 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that would have been bad because...? It would imply that the TM teacher had not received total knowledge from MMY, but seeking knowledge elsewhere. (Maharishi said that.) And, to be honest, he assumed that other teachers would do what *he* does, which is take advantage of anyone seen with him, and use them to sell their technique and their tradition. Plus the obvious -- if what you're selling to your naive students is a fairly watered-down version of commonly-available techniques and dogma, in a box with the highest knowledge printed on the label, you really don't want them encountering any other product and comparing it to your own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Celts were here long before Columbus, and some native American languages have much gaelic in them. The similarities are striking. Place names (and meanings), names of rivers (and meanings) etc. They must have been friendly and respectful to each other. I've read that somewhere. What happened to them, any idea? The only trouble is that for any given group of people, there's *somebody* who is absolutely positive they settled here at some point, including Vedic Indians and Israelites (there are claims that the Native Americans were the Lost Tribes thereof), as well as various groups of refugees from Atlantis. It is a scholarly fact that the Celts came to New England. Not some vague sectarian myth. Wasn't suggesting it was. That's why I went on to ask what had happened to them. Little is known of what happened to them. Perhaps you are thinking that because the Pilgrims were so vulnerable here that the Celts would be also. Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. snip One must not assume just because they arrived that they did not go back and forth. I wasn't assuming that. uncrossing eyes Thanks for your speculations (about the Celts, at any rate). Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took me many years, but I finally got to the point where I didn't try to intellectualize all my experiences and just accepted them for what they were. If you truly see the Divine even in dogshit on your shoe, then that is your experience. When I see dogshit on my shoe, I crinkle my nose and try to clean it off ASAP. the trick is to see the Divine in the dogshit AND realize its good to clean it off your shoe... I heard Amma would advise you to role in it and learn to enjoy it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another intelligent discussion at FFL is starved of light and bites the dust. Might as well get used to it. New prey for the predator, and all that... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. In all the agreements that I have signed since I became a TM-Teacher in 1975, it says nothing about not to see other gurus. What we did sign, was to keep the knowledge pure and not give it out to other organizations. Ingegerd Nor did I sign any agreement in 1973. Again, it is just revisionist history. Don't deal with the current problem, just make others wrong. It's like the TMO has a narcissistic personality disorder: arrogant on the outside to defend against massive unconscious insecurity inside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. Yikes I did? I don't remember that part. Probably a relatively recent addition. Did you become a TM teacher after Robin Carlson proclaimed himself Shankaracharya of NOrth America? I was on Purusha in Fairfield when all this Robin Carlson stuff started. Did you know that MMY specifically told Bevan (and I heard this directly from Bevan himself) to ignore RC and Bevan did everthing but that? This supports Bob's position that MMY is surrounded by morons! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Reliable on-the-scene sources have told me that a lot of the money (maybe 40%) the TMO brings into India is misappropriated. Define misappropriated and why haven't there been arrests made? Because the financial laws in those countries are a joke. They expect graft and write laws to accommodate it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: False and Damaging Statements about SSRIs
Life of the mind in its full glory. We're all guilty of it to some degree. Nothing is simple and direct. Always a spin to bring it into accord with the fantasy. --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://slate.com/id/2122835/ On or around Jan. 17, 1986, Hubbard suffered a catastrophic stroke on a secluded ranch near Big Sur, Calif. A week later he was dead. Scientology attorneys arrived to recover his body, which they sought to have cremated immediately. They were blocked by a county coroner, who, according to Scientology critics, did an autopsy that revealed high levels of a psychiatric drug. That would seem like an embarrassment given the church's hostility to such medications (witness Tom Cruise's recent feud with Brooke Shields), but it didn't stop the church from summoning thousands of followers to the Hollywood Palladium days after Hubbard's death. There they were told that Hubbard willingly discarded the body after it was no longer useful to him, and that this signified his ultimate success: the conquest of life that he embarked upon half a century ago. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Hubbard's ultimate success lay in convincing millions of people he was something other than a nut. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: W-e-l-c-o-m-e-S-a-t-Y-u-g
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll welcome in Sat Yuga with my program and a puja. But If I start yelling Welcome Sat yuga everytime I do the flying sutra I'm going to have a massive headache. But Dr. Pete, Sat Yuga is kind of like Tinkerbell. If you don't clap your butt and shout I DO believe in Satyuga! I DO! well, then, she just might not come...isn't that worth a massive headche or two? Or then again, maybe she's already here; always *will* be here; always *has* been here, and so on. (Dr.) Who knows... :-) Yes, good thing nobody's here otherwise I'd really start to worry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. Seems likely there were only small settlements of Celts here (apparently primarily in New England, judging from the Ogham inscriptions and megaliths here), and (from the linguistic evidence) they probably intermarried with the American Indians along the east coast. I have also seen some pretty densely argued scholarly papers on the internet ascribing Tibetan antecedents to some of the western Indian tribes, providing ample linguistic and cultural evidence to prove their case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. But if its only a matter of opnion, rather than direct perception, does it matter? Mind or matter? Never mind; it doesn't matter :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
When Maharishi started crowning kings it was literally the crowning moment of the Movement...unfortunately - Original Message - From: Cliff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation No way that article or anything even remotely like it would ever beread to Maharishi. Any organization which sincerely and with greatfanfare crowns Kings and offers million dollar courses isn't interestedin hearing that they might have something to learn from a humblesoul who hugs people (and for FREE, no less!!).And any organization (or person) that feels they no longer haveanything to learn is already pretty much dead...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 11:11 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:PS. I'll bet someone on staff will read him that editorial in the FF Ledger... Might generate a thought or two... I doubt it. My understanding is that you don't bring anything critical of the movement to M's attention. If you do, your bags are packed by the time you get back to your room and you're out of there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually America was first *settled* by right- wing religious nuts who came here because they were being persecuted for their nuttiness in the Old Country. Yes, but what has that got to do with modern America ? The original Founders are reatking the country? *Settlers*, not Founders. The Founders were *not* right-wing religious nuts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Maharishi started crowning kings it was literally the crowning moment of the Movement...unfortunately The King as uniter (and separator) of Heaven (upper chakras: heart/Buddhi, throat/Mahat-Atman, and head/Avyukta) and Earth (lower chakras: navel/Manas, sex/Indriyas and base/Karmendriyas) is the symbol of the Ahamkara or Ego, residing in the Solar Plexus (bottom of the heart, midway between heart/Buddhi and navel/Manas). As BushCo is probably the prime modern example or symbol of the deranged or addictive Ego, bound helplessly to Power and Concrete Mind (navel center/Manas), Maharshi's Kings are perhaps intended as a compensatory symbols, providing more positive examples or symbols of correct balance between Power/Concrete mind (navel/Manas) and Heart/Intuition :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Celts were here long before Columbus, and some native American languages have much gaelic in them. The similarities are striking. Place names (and meanings), names of rivers (and meanings) etc. They must have been friendly and respectful to each other. I've read that somewhere. What happened to them, any idea? The only trouble is that for any given group of people, there's *somebody* who is absolutely positive they settled here at some point, including Vedic Indians and Israelites (there are claims that the Native Americans were the Lost Tribes thereof), as well as various groups of refugees from Atlantis. It is a scholarly fact that the Celts came to New England. Not some vague sectarian myth. Wasn't suggesting it was. That's why I went on to ask what had happened to them. Little is known of what happened to them. Perhaps you are thinking that because the Pilgrims were so vulnerable here that the Celts would be also. Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. snip One must not assume just because they arrived that they did not go back and forth. I wasn't assuming that. uncrossing eyes Thanks for your speculations (about the Celts, at any rate). Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. Did you want to discuss your speculations that I had assumed the Celts coming to America was a sectarian myth, that because the Pilgrims were vulnerable the Celts were also, and that because they arrived they did not go back and forth? Did I starve intelligent discussion of light by telling you they weren't correct? Should I have pretended they were correct? Should I have added my own speculations about the Celts themselves, about whom I know next to nothing? Should I have argued with your speculations? What? uncrossing eyes again To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. Seems likely there were only small settlements of Celts here (apparently primarily in New England, judging from the Ogham inscriptions and megaliths here), and (from the linguistic evidence) they probably intermarried with the American Indians along the east coast. I have also seen some pretty densely argued scholarly papers on the internet ascribing Tibetan antecedents to some of the western Indian tribes, providing ample linguistic and cultural evidence to prove their case. Has anybody done any DNA studies? Something sticks in my mind having to do with DNA and Native Americans, but I can't remember what. Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: physical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is that matter is very real and that the illusion is the concept that matter and spirit are separate. Alex We have a winner. Seconded. But if its only a matter of opnion, rather than direct perception, does it matter? Mind or matter? Never mind; it doesn't matter :-) Nothing is real and nothing to get hungabout. Strawberry fields forever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody done any DNA studies? Something sticks in my mind having to do with DNA and Native Americans, but I can't remember what. Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? Not sure how many DNA studies have been done; below is an interesting (if lengthy) overview on the subject as a whole (though I see no mention of Tibet here). As to the Tibetan links with the Navajo and Apache, I am unable ATM to find the densely-argued internet papers mentioned earlier. It would appear at least some of them were priestly types, given the numerous correspondences in cosmology and sand painting, as well as sacred dances, costumes, and so on. Again, don't know about DNA, but physical similarities are stunning. Some scholars agree there are definite links between Sino- Tibetan and Athabascan (Navajo-Apache) languages; others remain skeptical. http://www.palden.co.uk/hhn/essays/hhn-25.html Essays on geopolitics history and the future Palden Jenkins 25. The Columbus myth The myth that Columbus discovered the Americas is subscribed to today and was recently reaffirmed in 1992 in North America on its 500 year anniversary. It is a resilient myth, and great interests are vested in maintaining it. A sure sign of this is the general academic refusal to research the matter seriously or to consider any evidence which undermines the Columbian creed. Denial of the validity of evidence is insufficient, even though some claims made for pre-Columban trans-oceanic contact are inconclusive or dubious. There is strong evidence for such contact. It is unjustified to reject this quite plausible hypothesis on the basis that some inconclusive evidence implies that all evidence is spurious a classic sceptic's technique. My own interest in this was aroused in 1986 when I met a farmer in Cornwall (SW Britain) on whose land lies the ancient Merry Maidens stone circle. He recounted that, when grubbing up an old earthen field boundary some years before, he had found a deeply-buried greenstone arrowhead which his son then took to school to show his teacher. The teacher sent it to the British Museum for identification, and the reply returned that it was at least 5,000 years old and derived from specific rock deposits in Minnesota. The possibility of this being a hoax was minuscule: there is little point planting evidence in a place where it is unlikely to be found or to be accepted as valid evidence hoaxers need a pay-off. The farmer had little interest in prehistory he was a classic farmer- type! What was interesting to me was that this evidence suggested west-to-east travel, from the `New' to the `Old' World, while one would tend to expect east-to-west travel, if anything. West Cornwall was frequented in ancient times by tin traders from the Mediterranean, particularly Phoenicians. Cornwall was a major trading place for tin, a valuable metal in alloy production in Roman times, so this region was a seafaring node. The Phoenicians were also intrepid travellers with a penchant for keeping their trade- sources and destinations secret. They are known to have travelled around Africa and as far as Scandinavia, and there is reasonable evidence they reached the Azores too. As intrepid seafarers, America is not out of the question as a destination. Evidence for ancient contacts over both the Atlantic and the Pacific with the Americas is certainly sufficient to deserve greater attention and a preliminary acceptance that Columbus was not the first to `discover' America. We know that the Vikings and the Irish (St Brendan) had been there, together with Nicholas of Lynn in 1360. The Vikings actually spent a few centuries visiting eastern North America, and penetrating well into the Great Lakes and possibly to the Gulf of Mexico. Ian Wilson points out that Columbus had gained his navigational information from English fishermen and traders in Iceland. However, this is not the full story. Much of the evidence for trans-oceanic contact is circumstantial and debatable for example, the use of parallel building styles and techniques on both sides of the Atlantic, the existence of specific species on both sides of the Atlantic and Pacific and the existence of similar items of vocabulary or other cultural traits connecting specific cultures in the Americas with those of Eurasia. However, some evidence is much more definite, taking the form of specific remains found in the Americas which seem Old World in origin. One of the most contentious areas lies in the field of epigraphy, the study of ancient rock-carved motifs found in America, spearheaded by the enthusiastic Harvard scholar Barry Fell and his associates. Amongst these remains are included Iberic-Roman amphorae
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Sometimes there has been an actual land bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska; at other ages island-hopping would have been necessary. I don't recall exactly how or when the Tibetans were supposed to have crossed, but it apparently wouldn't have been too difficult. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Settlers*, not Founders. The Founders were *not* right-wing religious nuts. No; apparently a large number of them were Freemasons :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way that article or anything even remotely like it would ever be read to Maharishi. Any organization which sincerely and with great fanfare crowns Kings and offers million dollar courses isn't interested in hearing that they might have something to learn from a humble soul who hugs people (and for FREE, no less!!). And any organization (or person) that feels they no longer have anything to learn is already pretty much dead... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 11:11 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I'll bet someone on staff will read him that editorial in the FF Ledger... Might generate a thought or two... I doubt it. My understanding is that you don't bring anything critical of the movement to M's attention. If you do, your bags are packed by the time you get back to your room and you're out of there. That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
it was very much because my TM-Teacher was radiating love and compassion. And that is what Amma do. The world is full of intellectual discussions and analysis and science. But I think that Amma fills a need for just simplicity and love. I hope I will meet her some day.Ingegerd-well I stopped thinking about the Movement as anything other than a symbol of potential, a vision of possibilities, a premature voyage into what could be, based on good principles, essentially (meditation bringing peace, and what it could look like). I went to the Pacific Palisades TM center when I was fifteen for the free intro lecture. My intro lecturer was Louis Weiss who now has been on Purusha for 25 years, at least. (I recently reconnected with him and he is a great and heartfelt person) I stepped into the center and I felt the silence. It wrapped around me and I felt that I was being purified just sitting there. I had had plenty of experience around psychics and other spiritualists due to my sister owning a store which had psychics and spritual lecturers, and so I was like, this is it! The intro lecture rolled on and I didn't really hear a word or care what was said, I was into the energy. As it was, I had tripped on acid and smoked weed a few days before and they made me wait two weeks to learn. I learned from the teachers in Northridge. The couple had two daughters, were nice homemakers, and were very very aware. The teacher had seen the devas and wasn't afraid of talking about esoteric things with me. It was very healing for my tortured young punk rocker mind. The Pac Pal center was run by the Brittinghams, and the Verrels were always there. The Wallaces were also living there, and I used to go on residence courses every month. It got to where I didn't have to fill out the forms. I would just call and then show up. I decided to go to MIU. MIU made me wait a year because I had used acid. So I worked on staff at Pac Pal for a few days every so often. It was fun. We were all idealistic. I used to laugh my head off doing stupid things like getting in huge pillow fights changing the flying hall room sheets and stuff. It was fun. Lots of heart. Once in a while I would watch TV with the Wallaces. It felt like an honor because I was very self effacing, that is,because I had bad tripped on acid I thought I was possessed by Satan, and it was taking me a long time to get over it, and to be honest I was full of fears and insecurities. There was a group of about 5 people who used to car pool to Charlie's on Friday nights and then we would eat at the deli across the street. They were ultra cool people. The woman and the son kept records of their TM experiences. Having studied all the shit Charlie regularly sppouted I was always less than impressed by him, but I liked the group meds. The Movement was a place a young, confused punk rocker could go to to get support and to heal. Now? Not for me to say... Gotta go to werk. Ciao Bellas. ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way that article or anything even remotely like it would ever be read to Maharishi. Any organization which sincerely and with great fanfare crowns Kings and offers million dollar courses isn't interested in hearing that they might have something to learn from a humble soul who hugs people (and for FREE, no less!!). And any organization (or person) that feels they no longer have anything to learn is already pretty much dead... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/15/05 11:11 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I'll bet someone on staff will read him that editorial in the FF Ledger... Might generate a thought or two... I doubt it. My understanding is that you don't bring anything critical of the movement to M's attention. If you do, your bags are packed by the time you get back to your room and you're out of there. That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Uns. You will never get any respons from MMY. Some of the old TM-Teachers in Norway, who really was known of MMY for many years, wrote a letter to him to tell him how difficult it was to initiate when the course- fee was raised. No response. Some did raise questions to the Press- Conferences, where people is encouraged to send in questions. They never came up. It seems that only a few persons can reach MMY these days and what information they give him - it is impossible to tell. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Uns. You will never get any respons from MMY. Some of the old TM- Teachers in Norway, who really was known of MMY for many years, wrote a letter to him to tell him how difficult it was to initiate when the course- fee was raised. No response. Some did raise questions to the Press- Conferences, where people is encouraged to send in questions. They never came up. It seems that only a few persons can reach MMY these days and what information they give him - it is impossible to tell. Ingegerd Yes, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
on 7/16/05 1:02 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt it. My understanding is that you don't bring anything critical of the movement to M's attention. If you do, your bags are packed by the time you get back to your room and you're out of there. That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Either he, or sensible people have to take control after he's gone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
on 7/16/05 1:15 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Reliable on-the-scene sources have told me that a lot of the money (maybe 40%) the TMO brings into India is misappropriated. Define misappropriated and why haven't there been arrests made? Embezzled. Because that's the way much of India works. The cops themselves are corrupt and bribable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Any meditators living in Fort Collins, Colorado
on 7/16/05 1:26 AM, Mark Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of TMers living in Fort Collins, Colorado. Please have them contact me. Thanks We just moved here and it's really a cool place, plenty of good energy. Mark Here's Greg Poole, in Boulder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the States! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
on 7/16/05 3:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is some Ego built in that Raja-thing. When a re-certified TM-Teacher says that it is his largest desire to be a Raja, he looks about the Raja-thing to be on the top of the TMO - the top on the World. Power and control - real Maya. He is not humble. He did not say - my largest desire is to give the knowledge to as many as possible. I have never met Amma - but I have ordered some products from her organisation - and what I feel is that she is a real Guru with a big Heart. When I learned TM (1962) - it was very much because my TM- Teacher was radiating love and compassion. And that is what Amma do. The world is full of intellectual discussions and analysis and science. But I think that Amma fills a need for just simplicity and love. I hope I will meet her some day. Ingegerd Are you in Norway? I'll be happy to alert you when her European tour is scheduled this fall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 9:06 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Do you think he goes out and buys newspapers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 3:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is some Ego built in that Raja-thing. When a re- certified TM-Teacher says that it is his largest desire to be a Raja, he looks about the Raja-thing to be on the top of the TMO - the top on the World. Power and control - real Maya. He is not humble. He did not say - my largest desire is to give the knowledge to as many as possible. I have never met Amma - but I have ordered some products from her organisation - and what I feel is that she is a real Guru with a big Heart. When I learned TM (1962) - it was very much because my TM- Teacher was radiating love and compassion. And that is what Amma do. The world is full of intellectual discussions and analysis and science. But I think that Amma fills a need for just simplicity and love. I hope I will meet her some day. Ingegerd Are you in Norway? I'll be happy to alert you when her European tour is scheduled this fall. Yes, please do. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Bingo! I just thought he would be shown it because it's a pretty comprehensive comparison about his movement. I did not realize that he was that closed off. I figured he would remember Rick as well. Oh well. If he wouldn't see that he wouldn't see a fill-page ad either. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/14/05 10:05:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, are you are stating that Rove had official CIA clearance to know who were covert CIA operatives worlrd wide? Hard to believe a campaign manager (Rove's postion in 2003) would be given such clearance. Can you provide cites that Rove had such clearance? No armchair platitude please.You don't have to "know who were covert CIA operatives world wide" to be cleared to know who a specific operative is. According to the latest grand jury leaks yesterday Rove found out about Plame being a CIA operative, note, not a covert operative,by the media. They called him. The first reporter to say Plame was a former CIA covert operative was David Korn who wrote about that after an interview with Joe Wilson. This whole thing sounds like a set up and looks like its over. I've been saying Wilson outed his own wife all along for political reasons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/14/05 10:56:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 7/14/05 1:41:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who's Clinton? Wasn't he president wy back in the 20th century?? Your foot bridge to the 21st century or some such idea.Naive as it may seem, I'm a big believer in both accountability and everyone playing by the same rules. I don't know about you, but in my world when I have been employed for 6 mos. to a year or more and it comes time for my annual review from my boss, my review is strictly based on my performance, regardless of the state of my position before I assumed responsibility for it (and some have been a real train-wreck...).So it holds no water with me this notion of a President, or any other elected official, and his supporters consistently pointing fingers at their predecessor and explaining their failures in terms of what may have happened in the past. After all, there is precious little of that attribution when they succeed, is there?So when Clinton was President I held him solely responsible for his actions, and their consequences. Now that Bush is President, same thing. Fair enough? What was that all about? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 10:04 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo! I just thought he would be shown it because it's a pretty comprehensive comparison about his movement. I did not realize that he was that closed off. I figured he would remember Rick as well. He would, but the most he'll hear of me might be some comment from Bevan that Rick Archer has turned traitor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Celts were here long before Columbus, and some native American languages have much gaelic in them. The similarities are striking. Place names (and meanings), names of rivers (and meanings) etc. They must have been friendly and respectful to each other. I've read that somewhere. What happened to them, any idea? The only trouble is that for any given group of people, there's *somebody* who is absolutely positive they settled here at some point, including Vedic Indians and Israelites (there are claims that the Native Americans were the Lost Tribes thereof), as well as various groups of refugees from Atlantis. It is a scholarly fact that the Celts came to New England. Not some vague sectarian myth. Wasn't suggesting it was. That's why I went on to ask what had happened to them. Little is known of what happened to them. Perhaps you are thinking that because the Pilgrims were so vulnerable here that the Celts would be also. Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. snip One must not assume just because they arrived that they did not go back and forth. I wasn't assuming that. uncrossing eyes Thanks for your speculations (about the Celts, at any rate). Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. Did you want to discuss your speculations that I had assumed the Celts coming to America was a sectarian myth, that because the Pilgrims were vulnerable the Celts were also, and that because they arrived they did not go back and forth? You seem to confuse speculation and common sense. Perhaps your experience with the latter is limited. Did I starve intelligent discussion of light by telling you they weren't correct? You didn't tell me anything wasn't correct, you just made an array of assumptions based on a meagre grasp of the topic in hand. Should I have pretended they were correct? Should I have added my own speculations about the Celts themselves, about whom I know next to nothing? Yes, you know next to nothing about the Celts and should not speculate about them until you have studied them for 25 years as I have. Then you may be ready for some common sense speculations. Should I have argued with your speculations? What? Seen the deeper significance which you have yet to grasp. Having said all that, its just a game. You are a wonderful and beautiful person and thats the bottom line. I love you. Adios. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it was very much because my TM- Teacher was radiating love and compassion. And that is what Amma do. The world is full of intellectual discussions and analysis and science. But I think that Amma fills a need for just simplicity and love. I hope I will meet her some day. Ingegerd -well I stopped thinking about the Movement as anything other than a symbol of potential, a vision of possibilities, a premature voyage into what could be, based on good principles, essentially (meditation bringing peace, and what it could look like). I went to the Pacific Palisades TM center when I was fifteen for the free intro lecture. My intro lecturer was Louis Weiss who now has been on Purusha for 25 years, at least. (I recently reconnected with him and he is a great and heartfelt person) I stepped into the center and I felt the silence. It wrapped around me and I felt that I was being purified just sitting there. I had had plenty of experience around psychics and other spiritualists due to my sister owning a store which had psychics and spritual lecturers, and so I was like, this is it! The intro lecture rolled on and I didn't really hear a word or care what was said, I was into the energy. As it was, I had tripped on acid and smoked weed a few days before and they made me wait two weeks to learn. I learned from the teachers in Northridge. The couple had two daughters, were nice homemakers, and were very very aware. The teacher had seen the devas and wasn't afraid of talking about esoteric things with me. It was very healing for my tortured young punk rocker mind. The Pac Pal center was run by the Brittinghams, and the Verrels were always there. The Wallaces were also living there, and I used to go on residence courses every month. It got to where I didn't have to fill out the forms. I would just call and then show up. I decided to go to MIU. MIU made me wait a year because I had used acid. So I worked on staff at Pac Pal for a few days every so often. It was fun. We were all idealistic. I used to laugh my head off doing stupid things like getting in huge pillow fights changing the flying hall room sheets and stuff. It was fun. Lots of heart. Once in a while I would watch TV with the Wallaces. It felt like an honor because I was very self effacing, that is, because I had bad tripped on acid I thought I was possessed by Satan, and it was taking me a long time to get over it, and to be honest I was full of fears and insecurities. There was a group of about 5 people who used to car pool to Charlie's on Friday nights and then we would eat at the deli across the street. They were ultra cool people. The woman and the son kept records of their TM experiences. Having studied all the shit Charlie regularly sppouted I was always less than impressed by him, but I liked the group meds. The Movement was a place a young, confused punk rocker could go to to get support and to heal. Now? Not for me to say... Gotta go to werk. Ciao Bellas. It is nice memories -. Nice to remember happy times. Ingegerd ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/14/05 11:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For once? Quite a few reporters have endured jail time over the years in order to protect sources. If you were a reporter and could bring down a presidency you hated or at least give it a good black eye, would you hesitate to do so? Especially if your ilk would look upon you as a great hero to the Cause. Why, you could be the next Woodward and Bernstien! You would go down in history, your really big break! But if you information nailed your own, you would be a traitor, a liar and every other negative adjective you can role off your tongue. Judith Miller is not protecting anything. She is hiding something . And I bet Joe Wilson outed his own wife for political and economic gain and I wouldn't be surprised if Plame is also involved in her own outing. They had much more to gain by this whole affair than maintainingthe secret that at one time she was once a covert operative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/14/05 11:32:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NY Times standing on principle when they could nail a Republican administration official? Naaa!As a son of someone who was in the newspaper industry for 40+ years, I can only say:jerk. ROFLMAO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, no, I was thinking that the Celts don't seem to, you know, be here any longer. Seems likely there were only small settlements of Celts here (apparently primarily in New England, judging from the Ogham inscriptions and megaliths here), and (from the linguistic evidence) they probably intermarried with the American Indians along the east coast. I have also seen some pretty densely argued scholarly papers on the internet ascribing Tibetan antecedents to some of the western Indian tribes, providing ample linguistic and cultural evidence to prove their case. Has anybody done any DNA studies? Something sticks in my mind having to do with DNA and Native Americans, but I can't remember what. Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? There is evidence that the Chinese had huge sailing ships and may have travelled the world in them. Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. The ships they sailed in 500-1000 years ago dwarfed any ship made in Europe even centuries after that, and there is evidence of the largest wooden ships ever builtby far. Note : Our understanding and assumption of the inability of ancient peoples to travel the world is a flawed assumption. The natural assumption based on evidence is that the opposite is true. Humans were most likely masters of land a sea...long ago. It is amazing what a well built sailing ship can do, and all our assumptions about the impotance as travellers our anscestors had, have been consistently eroded by evidence over the last 50 years. Extract from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html However, in 1962, the rudderpost of a treasure ship was excavated in the ruins of one of the Ming boatyards in Nanjing. This timber was no less than 36 feet long. Reverse engineering using the proportions typical of a traditional junk indicated a hull length of around 500 feet. (note: Columbus' largest ship was less than 100 feet) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Exactly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Thanks for your speculations (about the Celts, at any rate). Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. Did you want to discuss your speculations that I had assumed the Celts coming to America was a sectarian myth, that because the Pilgrims were vulnerable the Celts were also, and that because they arrived they did not go back and forth? You seem to confuse speculation and common sense. Perhaps your experience with the latter is limited. ??? I didn't *make* any speculations. Did I starve intelligent discussion of light by telling you they weren't correct? You didn't tell me anything wasn't correct, you just made an array of assumptions based on a meagre grasp of the topic in hand. ??? I didn't make *any* assumptions! *You* decided I had made several assumptions, which you proceeded to knock down. Fine, except that I'd never made those assumptions. That's what I told you wasn't correct, your speculations that I had made those assumptions. Should I have pretended they were correct? Should I have added my own speculations about the Celts themselves, about whom I know next to nothing? Yes, you know next to nothing about the Celts and should not speculate about them until you have studied them for 25 years as I have. Then you may be ready for some common sense speculations. That's what I figured. That's why I didn't *make* any speculations, you see. I still have no idea what you're on about here. Should I have argued with your speculations? What? Seen the deeper significance which you have yet to grasp. The deeper significance of what, your speculations about my assumptions? Your accusation that I had starved the discussion of light? I *asked* what the deeper significance was, and instead of giving me a clue, you accuse me again of having all kinds of assumptions I just got done telling you I don't have. Do you really wonder why you're making me crosseyed? Or do you mean I should have seen the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts? I'm sorry that I don't have a clue about that either; didn't realize there was any. If you'd like to expand on it, I'm happy to listen and learn. But I don't see why my not seeing the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts should constitute starving the discussion of light. I don't have any to shed, but I didn't take away any of yours. If you have some, by all means shed away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Any meditators living in Fort Collins, Colorado
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 1:26 AM, Mark Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of TMers living in Fort Collins, Colorado. Please have them contact me. Thanks We just moved here and it's really a cool place, plenty of good energy. Mark Here's Greg Poole, in Boulder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now thats why I don't use my name. I'm sure they are nice and all that but are you sure Greg Poole wants so much contact with TM'rs. Most of us out here want to lead a simple life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation on 7/16/04 8:50 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta go to werk. Ciao Bellas. You got a job? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
I *asked* what the deeper significance was, I don't recall that. Love and luck to you anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/14/05 11:43:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However,she could be perceived as a traitor and violator of journalistic ethics by her own peers and political persuasion if her source were any thing other than a republican.Have you EVER voted for a member of another political party other than your own? Honestly I don't think so. My entire family had been loyal democrats since before the War of Northern Aggression but Jimmy Carter opened our eyes. I would have voted for Carter the first time he ran but I don't think I voted, even though it would have been the first election I was eligible to vote in. Gz I hope I didn't! Anyway, I do remember voting for Reagan against Carter and have voted a straight republican ticket since. There is absolutely no way I'm going to waste my vote on some third party ticket and while I may not always agree with the republican party on everything, I would rather they have power than the democrats. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *asked* what the deeper significance was, I don't recall that. Oops, you snipped some context. I asked what the deeper significance was of your speculations about my assumptions, and of your accusation that I had starved the discussion of light. Then I said: Or do you mean I should have seen the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts? I'm sorry that I don't have a clue about that either; didn't realize there was any. If you'd like to expand on it, I'm happy to listen and learn. But I don't see why my not seeing the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts should constitute starving the discussion of light. I don't have any to shed, but I didn't take away any of yours. If you have some, by all means shed away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? There is evidence that the Chinese had huge sailing ships and may have travelled the world in them. Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. But the Chinese have sea coast; the Tibetans don't. Hence my question about how the Tibetans would have acquired the necessary sailing skills. Note the above statement ( also mentioned by Rory.) Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. Please read more carefully. Expediency is desirable. That's another assumption I didn't make, by the way. Who said you did? The assumption I *do* make--and please enlighten me if it's incorrect--is that groups who lived far inland were less likely to be seafarers. The nature of your question suggests a you are not interested in the answer, but in something to argue about. I suggest you read the article I posted for you, and do more research on ancient cultures on your own, over time a bigger picture will emerge. I am happy to answer questions asked in the genuine search for more knowledge, but not to feed the argument fetish that people display on these boards. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *asked* what the deeper significance was, I don't recall that. Oops, you snipped some context. I asked what the deeper significance was of your speculations about my assumptions, and of your accusation that I had starved the discussion of light. Then I said: Or do you mean I should have seen the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts? I'm sorry that I don't have a clue about that either; didn't realize there was any. If you'd like to expand on it, I'm happy to listen and learn. But I don't see why my not seeing the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts should constitute starving the discussion of light. I don't have any to shed, but I didn't take away any of yours. If you have some, by all means shed away. You asked the question in the same post that you mentioned that you had asked the question. Questions cannot be answered before they are asked. It seems to be a law of nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sarasota
Anyone know who this is? The whole TM center thing all over again. Hope they last.Funny they dont sign their names. Rothenbergs are in Boca Raton, Sharfs in West Palm. Both who sent out one joint letter to TMers advertising some lectures and then were not heard from again. Any Floridians out there know anything more. Guru Purnima Celebration at the Sarasota Maharishi Enlightenment Center It is a great joy to announce the grand opening of the Maharishi Enlightenment Center in Sarasota. The Center will be hosting a Guru Purnima celebration on Thursday July 21. The celebration will start at 7:30 p.m. with a ceremony of gratitude to the Tradition of Vedic Masters, and will be followed by refreshments and other events. All Governors, Citizens Sidhas, and Citizens of the Age of Enlightenment are invited to attend. The location of the Sarasota Maharishi Enlightenment Center is 2135 9th St., Sarasota. FL. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip According to the latest grand jury leaks yesterday Rove found out about Plame being a CIA operative, note, not a covert operative, by the media. They called him. The first reporter to say Plame was a former CIA covert operative was David Korn who wrote about that after an interview with Joe Wilson. This whole thing sounds like a set up and looks like its over. I've been saying Wilson outed his own wife all along for political reasons. The notion that Novak didn't identify Plame as covert was pretty well debunked by Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo way back in October 2003: -- As we've noted before, one of the best pieces of evidence that Novak (and thus his sources) knew Valerie Plame was a clandestine employee of the CIA was that he said as much in his original column. There he called her an Agency operative. People who follow the intel world say that phrase is almost always meant to refer to a clandestine agent or someone in the field, rather than an analyst. Now, since the story blew up a week and a half ago, Novak has been telling people that this reference was just some sort of slip-up, that in this case he meant `operative' only in the generic sense of a `hack' or a `fixer.' On Meet the Press Novak said he uses the word too much [and] if somebody did a Nexus search of my columns, they'd find an overuse of `operative.' Well, Novak does seem to use the word operative a lot. But as one of my readers pointed out to me this evening, `operative' can mean all sorts of things in different contexts. The question is how Novak uses it in this particular context. Following up on my reader's suggestion I did a Nexis search to see all the times Novak used the phrases CIA operative or agency operative. This was a quick search. But I came up with six examples. And in each case Novak used the phrase to refer to someone working in a clandestine capacity. Here they are... snip examples I also did a quick search for Novak's references to CIA analyst or agency analyst I found three --- each clearly referring to people who were in fact analysts. In an 1993 column, Novak used a precise phrasing to refer to CIA briefer Brian Latell, a 30-year career officer. Again, no vague use of 'operative.' I don't think this requires too much commentary, does it? Clearly, Novak knows the meaning of the phrase 'CIA operative' and he uses it advisedly. In the last decade he's never used the phrase to mean anything but clandestine agents. Let's cut the mumbo-jumbo: past evidence suggests that Novak only uses this phrase to refer to clandestine agents. In this case, when he has every reason to run away from that meaning of the phrase, he suddenly runs away from that meaning. Especially with all the other evidence at hand, that just defies credibility. Everything points to the conclusion that Novak did know. That would mean, necessarily, that his sources knew too. The `we didn't know' cover story just doesn't wash. Novak's fellow reporters have never pressed him on this point. Maybe now would be a good time ... http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_10_05.php#002066 (or) http://tinyurl.com/9hgpp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 9:06 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Do you think he goes out and buys newspapers? A difficult image to hold in the imagination. But are you asking me to believe that he never sees a newspaper, and does not have one paper that he looks at on a regular basis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 10:04 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo! I just thought he would be shown it because it's a pretty comprehensive comparison about his movement. I did not realize that he was that closed off. I figured he would remember Rick as well. He would, but the most he'll hear of me might be some comment from Bevan that Rick Archer has turned traitor. Very surface analysis = Rick Archer has turned traitor. = from such subtle thinkers To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Its a policy that won us WW2. I simply cannot bring myself to believe that Maharishi subscribes to it. Its a bridge too far, to keep the metaphor going. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/15/05 12:42:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An interesting anecdote that ties in here: My in-laws are dyed-in-the-wool, life long Republicans (absolutely lovely people too btw), and just this week said to my wife that they are absolutely sick of all the politics, and sick of Bush, and wish he was out of office. Tip of the iceberg?? Keep hope alive, eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Any meditators living in Fort Collins, Colorado
on 7/16/05 10:42 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 1:26 AM, Mark Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of TMers living in Fort Collins, Colorado. Please have them contact me. Thanks We just moved here and it's really a cool place, plenty of good energy. Mark Here's Greg Poole, in Boulder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now thats why I don't use my name. I'm sure they are nice and all that but are you sure Greg Poole wants so much contact with TM'rs. Most of us out here want to lead a simple life. Well, Greg probably wouldn't define himself as a TM'r. He's a pretty free spirit. But he's a great guy and might be able to refer Mark to some people and things around there. Greg posts here occasionally using his real name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *asked* what the deeper significance was, I don't recall that. Oops, you snipped some context. I asked what the deeper significance was of your speculations about my assumptions, and of your accusation that I had starved the discussion of light. Then I said: Or do you mean I should have seen the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts? I'm sorry that I don't have a clue about that either; didn't realize there was any. If you'd like to expand on it, I'm happy to listen and learn. But I don't see why my not seeing the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts should constitute starving the discussion of light. I don't have any to shed, but I didn't take away any of yours. If you have some, by all means shed away. You asked the question in the same post that you mentioned that you had asked the question. No, sorry, I asked it in the previous post: --- Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. Did you want to discuss your speculations that I had assumed the Celts coming to America was a sectarian myth, that because the Pilgrims were vulnerable the Celts were also, and that because they arrived they did not go back and forth? Did I starve intelligent discussion of light by telling you they weren't correct? Should I have pretended they were correct? Should I have added my own speculations about the Celts themselves, about whom I know next to nothing? Should I have argued with your speculations? What? uncrossing eyes again Questions cannot be answered before they are asked. It seems to be a law of nature. What is your *problem*?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 11:13 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 9:06 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Do you think he goes out and buys newspapers? A difficult image to hold in the imagination. But are you asking me to believe that he never sees a newspaper, and does not have one paper that he looks at on a regular basis? He does have world news reported to him. I doubt that he allows articles critical of the TMO to be read to him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
In a message dated 7/15/05 4:24:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Liberal = American.OK, but that's not what the founding fathers were thinking when they created the Electoral College, and decided to keep the definition of slaves as property... And created a small limited federal government. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 11:13 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Do you think he goes out and buys newspapers? A difficult image to hold in the imagination. But are you asking me to believe that he never sees a newspaper, and does not have one paper that he looks at on a regular basis? He does have world news reported to him ...but you say that there is no pubication that he reads himself? I would imagine that his inner sanctum would have twelve daily papers in a neat rack, with his favourite, probably in an Indian language, either on top, or set to one side. If everything, and I mean everything, is read to him, then my suggestion fails. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 11:13 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s, I agree. My idea was to break the wall. MMY seems to be like many top rock stars - surrounded by a barrier of second rate and insecure toadies. If a page ad were to be taken out, the whole point would be that these sycophants would be unable to prevent him seeing it. Do you think he goes out and buys newspapers? A difficult image to hold in the imagination. But are you asking me to believe that he never sees a newspaper, and does not have one paper that he looks at on a regular basis? He does have world news reported to him ...but you say that there is no pubication that he reads himself? I would imagine that his inner sanctum would have twelve daily papers in a neat rack, with his favourite, probably in an Indian language, either on top, or set to one side. If everything, and I mean everything, is read to him, then my suggestion fails. I've been in such inner sanctums many times, and have never seen evidence of a single news- paper. I've never seen him reading a newspaper. I doubt very seriously that he ever does. It would be so out of character as to defy the imagination. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
In a message dated 7/15/05 6:45:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to seeother gurus.Yikes I did?I don't remember that part. I think we all agreed to a lot of things we didn't know we agreed to LOL! And they can just keep filling in the blanks as we go along. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Sea Explorers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note : Our understanding and assumption of the inability of ancient peoples to travel the world is a flawed assumption. The natural assumption based on evidence is that the opposite is true. Humans were most likely masters of land a sea...long ago. It is amazing what a well built sailing ship can do, and all our assumptions about the impotance as travellers our anscestors had, have been consistently eroded by evidence over the last 50 years. Extract from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html However, in 1962, the rudderpost of a treasure ship was excavated in the ruins of one of the Ming boatyards in Nanjing. This timber was no less than 36 feet long. Reverse engineering using the proportions typical of a traditional junk indicated a hull length of around 500 feet. (note: Columbus' largest ship was less than 100 feet) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html These articles are fascinating. I have seen PBS shows on the Irish and Nowegian sailors' exploration -- I believe they indicated a fairly strong acheological case for both reaching North America. One show as I remember, perhaps too vaguely, indicated evidence of Chinese in North America. These articles indicate that the naval capacity was there to do so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? There is evidence that the Chinese had huge sailing ships and may have travelled the world in them. Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. But the Chinese have sea coast; the Tibetans don't. Hence my question about how the Tibetans would have acquired the necessary sailing skills. Note the above statement ( also mentioned by Rory.) Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. I had in mind the geographical distance, not the cultural distance. (And Rory didn't say anything about Chinese and Tibetan cultures being interwoven.) If you don't know or don't feel like explaining, fine, but it's a perfectly reasonable question. Rory didn't deal specifically with the issue of how the Tibetans would have gained seafaring experience when they don't have a seacoast, which is what I was asking. He did point out that there was a land bridge from Siberia at various points, but jeepers, that's a *gigantic* distance. That's another assumption I didn't make, by the way. Who said you did? Who said somebody said I did? The assumption I *do* make--and please enlighten me if it's incorrect--is that groups who lived far inland were less likely to be seafarers. The nature of your question suggests a you are not interested in the answer, but in something to argue about. Wow. I'm curious as to how I could have asked it that wouldn't have led you to infer I wasn't interested in the answer. I asked Rory the same question; didn't seem to bother him any. I suggest you read the article I posted for you I did. Doesn't say anything about the Tibetans. , and do more research on ancient cultures on your own, over time a bigger picture will emerge. I am happy to answer questions asked in the genuine search for more knowledge, but not to feed the argument fetish that people display on these boards. Probably better not to start any arguments, then, eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 11:30 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but you say that there is no pubication that he reads himself? I would imagine that his inner sanctum would have twelve daily papers in a neat rack, with his favourite, probably in an Indian language, either on top, or set to one side. If everything, and I mean everything, is read to him, then my suggestion fails. Uns. I once saw him flip through a TIME magazine. I don't know for sure what the arrangement is, but I assume the news is condensed and prepared for him. I used to do this for a while when I was the head of World Plan News Service in Switzerland. Also, his eyes are bad so he wouldn't be doing much reading. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Its a policy that won us WW2. I simply cannot bring myself to believe that Maharishi subscribes to it. Its a bridge too far, to keep the metaphor going. Uns. . There seems no question in my mind that Maharishi is the one calling the shots. He's not interested in wordly events. When Larry King asked him : Where were you on 9-11?, Maharishi answered I don't know, someone told me about it then he just lumped it all together with all negativity and terrorism...as it should be. When asked by King how old he was, Maharishi answered, I don't know someone told me once. Larry didn't pursue it. Maharishi was just brilliant in that Larry King interview. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *asked* what the deeper significance was, I don't recall that. Oops, you snipped some context. I asked what the deeper significance was of your speculations about my assumptions, and of your accusation that I had starved the discussion of light. Then I said: Or do you mean I should have seen the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts? I'm sorry that I don't have a clue about that either; didn't realize there was any. If you'd like to expand on it, I'm happy to listen and learn. But I don't see why my not seeing the deeper significance of your speculations about the Celts should constitute starving the discussion of light. I don't have any to shed, but I didn't take away any of yours. If you have some, by all means shed away. You asked the question in the same post that you mentioned that you had asked the question. No, sorry, I asked it in the previous post: --- Another intelligent discussion at FFL is strarved of light and bites the dust. Did you want to discuss your speculations that I had assumed the Celts coming to America was a sectarian myth, that because the Pilgrims were vulnerable the Celts were also, and that because they arrived they did not go back and forth? Did I starve intelligent discussion of light by telling you they weren't correct? Should I have pretended they were correct? Should I have added my own speculations about the Celts themselves, about whom I know next to nothing? Should I have argued with your speculations? What? uncrossing eyes again Questions cannot be answered before they are asked. It seems to be a law of nature. What is your *problem*?? I eat too much ice cream. I am addicted to sex. I don't like Mondays. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Its a policy that won us WW2. I simply cannot bring myself to believe that Maharishi subscribes to it. Its a bridge too far, to keep the metaphor going. Uns. . There seems no question in my mind that Maharishi is the one calling the shots. He's not interested in wordly events. When Larry King asked him : Where were you on 9-11?, Maharishi answered I don't know, someone told me about it then he just lumped it all together with all negativity and terrorism...as it should be. When asked by King how old he was, Maharishi answered, I don't know someone told me once. Larry didn't pursue it. Maharishi was just brilliant in that Larry King interview. I have tried from time to time to play the interview in the following- up days in TM-Courses. The new students does not like it. I think you have to be an old meditator to appreciate it. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sea Explorers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note : Our understanding and assumption of the inability of ancient peoples to travel the world is a flawed assumption. The natural assumption based on evidence is that the opposite is true. Humans were most likely masters of land a sea...long ago. It is amazing what a well built sailing ship can do, and all our assumptions about the impotance as travellers our anscestors had, have been consistently eroded by evidence over the last 50 years. Extract from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html However, in 1962, the rudderpost of a treasure ship was excavated in the ruins of one of the Ming boatyards in Nanjing. This timber was no less than 36 feet long. Reverse engineering using the proportions typical of a traditional junk indicated a hull length of around 500 feet. (note: Columbus' largest ship was less than 100 feet) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers.html These articles are fascinating. I have seen PBS shows on the Irish and Nowegian sailors' exploration -- I believe they indicated a fairly strong acheological case for both reaching North America. One show as I remember, perhaps too vaguely, indicated evidence of Chinese in North America. These articles indicate that the naval capacity was there to do so. Yes, and I suspect the Indians, Phonecians, Egyptians, and also Peruvians plied the seas like they were completely at home with it. Ancient humans have had more a natural connection and living as creatures comfortable with the ocean than we may think, possibly going back to the evolution of the first humans themselves, and probably never really lost it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A tale of two gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted: July 14, 2005 The Fairfield Ledger Opinion A tale of two gurus Could the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'the Hugging Saint'? By Erik Gable Rick Archer had been practicing and teaching Transcendental Meditation for nearly three decades when he first met Mata Amritanandamayi, the Indian holy woman known to her followers as Amma or the Hugging Saint. He didn't see any conflict between going to visit Amma and his regular practice of TM in the men's dome at Maharishi University of Management. In fact, Archer recalled, his experience during his daily meditations actually improved. But a few years later, after a meeting in which two TM movement officials questioned him about his involvement with Amma's group, Archer's dome badge was revoked. As chance would have it, I read this article while watching a DVD of Michael Mann's The Insider. The parallel was not lost on me. Without drawing overly dramatic comparisons between Rick and Jeffrey Wigand, the man who risked a great deal to blow the whistle on the tobacco industry's lies, I just want to say thanks, Rick. The thing that finally made me bail from the TM movement was *exactly* what you talked about to this reporter. At that time (the mid 70s), the TM movement controlled people -- both teachers and non-teachers -- via coercion. If someone showed signs of going Off the program (the program never being actually defined), the TM organization would threaten to take away from them the very thing they joined it for -- access to light and knowledge and enlightenment. It was unconscionable then and it is unconscionable now. It revealed the *real* nature of the TMO then, and it does now. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 11:51 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems no question in my mind that Maharishi is the one calling the shots. He's not interested in wordly events. When Larry King asked him : Where were you on 9-11?, Maharishi answered I don't know, someone told me about it then he just lumped it all together with all negativity and terrorism...as it should be. When asked by King how old he was, Maharishi answered, I don't know someone told me once. Larry didn't pursue it. Maharishi was just brilliant in that Larry King interview. And when asked if he had any offspring, he said he was a monk. Brilliantly evasive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? There is evidence that the Chinese had huge sailing ships and may have travelled the world in them. Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. But the Chinese have sea coast; the Tibetans don't. Hence my question about how the Tibetans would have acquired the necessary sailing skills. Note the above statement ( also mentioned by Rory.) Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are today. They would be more interwoven. I had in mind the geographical distance, not the cultural distance. (And Rory didn't say anything about Chinese and Tibetan cultures being interwoven.) If you don't know or don't feel like explaining, fine, but it's a perfectly reasonable question. Rory didn't deal specifically with the issue of how the Tibetans would have gained seafaring experience when they don't have a seacoast, which is what I was asking. Well, sorry for that. One of the assumptions that I was talking about previously that we have all been spoon fed is that because a culture is deep inland it must have been be sea-faring inept. This is unlikely since Tibetans travelled far and wide. Buddhism naturally spread across Tibet and China for the sole reason that they were not really distinct and travelled with ease. Ancient humans were Master Travellers. If the emporers of China lived on the East coast, and the Chinese had ships easily capable of crossing oceans without a big hoohaa, then we might say 'the Chinese knew how to sail oceans'. That means those living in the West of China also... the educated ones... would have known and even seen or travelled with this method. Tibet was essentially part of China, or a province, and there really is no difference in the interchange of knowledge. Add to that that Tibetans were educated and known to travel and encouraged this as part of their spiritual tradition it seems normal to me, though not as obvious as say those living by the coast. Then you have to delve in to Sanskrit, and the Vedas, to see that the concept of the ocean and travelling the ocean was not foreign to people livng in Afghanisthan and the Pakistani Mountains (near Tibet/China). Ancient humans were Master Travellers. He did point out that there was a land bridge from Siberia at various points, but jeepers, that's a *gigantic* distance. That's another assumption I didn't make, by the way. Who said you did? Who said somebody said I did? She said she said it and he said they witnessed it. The assumption I *do* make--and please enlighten me if it's incorrect--is that groups who lived far inland were less likely to be seafarers. The nature of your question suggests a you are not interested in the answer, but in something to argue about. Wow. I'm curious as to how I could have asked it that wouldn't have led you to infer I wasn't interested in the answer. I asked Rory the same question; didn't seem to bother him any. If you have a question and are interested in it then there is no problem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
What is your *problem*?? I eat too much ice cream. I am addicted to sex. I don't like Mondays. Can't help you with Mondays, and I don't think that the ice cream thing is actually a problem unless that's all you eat. But to put the sex addiction in perspective, at least there's usually a clear-cut end to sex, where both participants know that it's over and that there is little be gained in continuing. Imagine someone who is addicted to arguing. I'd say you're much better off with the sex thang. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? Don't you guys get it? It's not that the people around Maharishi are hiding things from him against his will. They're hiding things from him because that IS his will. It's *always* been like that. Its a policy that won us WW2. I simply cannot bring myself to believe that Maharishi subscribes to it. Its a bridge too far, to keep the metaphor going. Uns. . There seems no question in my mind that Maharishi is the one calling the shots. He's not interested in wordly events. When Larry King asked him : Where were you on 9-11?, Maharishi answered I don't know, someone told me about it then he just lumped it all together with all negativity and terrorism...as it should be. When asked by King how old he was, Maharishi answered, I don't know someone told me once. Larry didn't pursue it. Maharishi was just brilliant in that Larry King interview. I have tried from time to time to play the interview in the following- up days in TM-Courses. The new students does not like it. I think you have to be an old meditator to appreciate it. Ingegerd I agree, Maharishi was not trying to get any new people in that interview. He blasted government and made an off the cuff remark about the billion dollars he needs which was very disarming and expansive, but the interview not really much good for new meditators I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 11:51 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems no question in my mind that Maharishi is the one calling the shots. He's not interested in wordly events. When Larry King asked him : Where were you on 9-11?, Maharishi answered I don't know, someone told me about it then he just lumped it all together with all negativity and terrorism...as it should be. When asked by King how old he was, Maharishi answered, I don't know someone told me once. Larry didn't pursue it. Maharishi was just brilliant in that Larry King interview. And when asked if he had any offspring, he said he was a monk. Brilliantly evasive. This would only be confusing to the devious mind intent on peddling unfounded gossip and low-level jabs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody done any DNA studies? Something sticks in my mind having to do with DNA and Native Americans, but I can't remember what. Wait. Tibetans?? How would they have acquired the necessary sailing skills? Did they have a tradition of exploration? Would they have been monkish types, or merchant types? Not sure how many DNA studies have been done; below is an interesting (if lengthy) overview on the subject as a whole (though I see no mention of Tibet here). As to the Tibetan links with the Navajo and Apache, I am unable ATM to find the densely-argued internet papers mentioned earlier. It would appear at least some of them were priestly types, given the numerous correspondences in cosmology and sand painting, as well as sacred dances, costumes, and so on. Again, don't know about DNA, but physical similarities are stunning. Some scholars agree there are definite links between Sino-Tibetan and Athabascan (Navajo-Apache) languages; others remain skeptical. Any idea why the Tibetans would have been into long journeys like that? Some flavors of monks do so in hope of finding new opportunities to proselytize, but I shouldn't think that would be the motivation of Tibetan monks, or would it? http://www.palden.co.uk/hhn/essays/hhn-25.html Essays on geopolitics history and the future Palden Jenkins 25. The Columbus myth Many thanks. Fascinating article. A few comments: snip teacher. The teacher sent it to the British Museum for identification, and the reply returned that it was at least 5,000 years old and derived from specific rock deposits in Minnesota. Man, that's a mind-boggler! Muslim coins in Massachusetts, e.g., is startling enough, but to find it going the other way... Wow. snip 56 days by dugout canoe. There are also carvings at La Venta and Monte Alban in Mexico and Guatemala which show bearded Caucasian- type people. I helped edit a book not long ago claiming these types of carvings were of Atlantean refugees. But Atlantis is a whole 'nother can of worms. On the other hand, that all these other apparently unlikely groups visited America tends to make one think there's all *kinds* of stuff we don't know about along those lines. Chinese visiting America in more recent times have reported the ability to communicate with Sioux, Apache, Bolivian Quecha and some Peruvian peoples. That's *another* mind-blower. Boy, I'd like to hear more about how this transpired. Similar words is one thing, but actual *communication* is amazing. Welsh remains have been identified in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Missouri. Welsh-speaking natives were noted by early settlers in New Jersey and the Carolinas Welsh-speaking *Indians*?? snip Since the prevailing ideology is that Columbus `discovered' America, and since this ideology is important to the notion of white Anglo-Saxon Protestant supremacy in USA (But Columbus was Catholic, no?) snip These were historically very important choices. The story of the Americas would have been very different if the white settlers and conquistadors had instead elected to fraternise, trade and cooperate with the indigenous Americans. Sounds like superb material for an alternative- history novel set in the present, based on the cooperation choice back then. However, if native peoples were to be fully recognised for their rights and prerogatives, and if an adjustment were made on a fair and accommodating basis, a massive redistribution of land and resources would have to take place, undermining the very basis on which modern American life stands. Instead it's being undermined in other ways because one of the few ways Native American tribes can make any money is to run casinos for and sell tax-free cigarettes to white folks. All very thought-provoking, Rory; thanks again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your *problem*?? I eat too much ice cream. I am addicted to sex. I don't like Mondays. Can't help you with Mondays, and I don't think that the ice cream thing is actually a problem unless that's all you eat. But to put the sex addiction in perspective, at least there's usually a clear-cut end to sex, where both participants know that it's over and that there is little be gained in continuing. Imagine someone who is addicted to arguing. I'd say you're much better off with the sex thang. :-) Unc . Oh, I don't mind being addicted to sex, in fact I openly encourage myself to continue in this path (knowing that I could never be celebate in this lifetime). The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the assumptions that I was talking about previously that we have all been spoon fed is that because a culture is deep inland it must have been be sea-faring inept. This is unlikely since Tibetans travelled far and wide. Buddhism naturally spread across Tibet and China for the sole reason that they were not really distinct and travelled with ease. They traveled much further than that. There are huge outposts of Tibetan culture in Mongolia and Manchuria and Russia, and evidence that Tibetans once inhabited areas of the Pyrennes. Traveling to spread the dharma is what they *did*. Suggesting that they traveled to North America is certainly not out of the question. The possible link between the Hopis and the Navajos has been suggested by many people, including the Dalai Lama. I don't know whether it has been established or not physically (via DNA tests), but if you knew Tibetan culture that wouldn't even be necessary. They have tales of whole monasteries or villages picking up and migrating to another place en masse, via mass reincarnation. There are certainly tales in Tibetan culture that link the Anasazi (the primal tribe that ruled the Southwest, ancestors to all the modern tribes) to Tibet. In one of them, Padmasambhava himself banished the Bon shamans who were trying to stop the spread of Buddhism in Tibet via magic, sending them across the great water. It could be just a tale. But if you go to Chaco Canyon, what you see is the Tibetan style of architecture, Tibetan designs on the pottery, and jewelry that has the same design and use of precious stones that you would find in Tibet. Go figure. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Rory didn't deal specifically with the issue of how the Tibetans would have gained seafaring experience when they don't have a seacoast, which is what I was asking. Well, sorry for that. One of the assumptions that I was talking about previously that we have all been spoon fed is that because a culture is deep inland it must have been be sea-faring inept. This is unlikely since Tibetans travelled far and wide. Buddhism naturally spread across Tibet and China for the sole reason that they were not really distinct and travelled with ease. Ancient humans were Master Travellers. If the emporers of China lived on the East coast, and the Chinese had ships easily capable of crossing oceans without a big hoohaa, then we might say 'the Chinese knew how to sail oceans'. That means those living in the West of China also... the educated ones... would have known and even seen or travelled with this method. Tibet was essentially part of China, or a province, and there really is no difference in the interchange of knowledge. Add to that that Tibetans were educated and known to travel and encouraged this as part of their spiritual tradition it seems normal to me, though not as obvious as say those living by the coast. Then you have to delve in to Sanskrit, and the Vedas, to see that the concept of the ocean and travelling the ocean was not foreign to people livng in Afghanisthan and the Pakistani Mountains (near Tibet/China). Ancient humans were Master Travellers. OK, so the Tibetans would have traveled to the coasts and picked up the experience there. I mean, interchange of knowledge is one thing, but you gotta have access to an ocean if you're going to use a knowledge of seafearing. I just wasn't aware that Tibetans had a tradition of exploration at all, let alone one that would have led them to want to make sea journeys. Thanks for the explanation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
