[FairfieldLife] (unknown)
well lets try this http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/m4w/783329991.html.
[FairfieldLife] or this one
http://dharmasingles.ning.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino : Astrological Interpretation for August and Release of CD He
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2006, Lou predicted about 2007: Part of the huge change will be the passing over of MMY in July or August 2007. (In a followup on his current web page he now says, I predicted that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would pass over in 2008. He passed over on February 5th of 2008.) He clarified this before he stopped posting here. He claimed that Maharishi would die in August 07 but gave himself some fudge room by saying that some entity (I forget the name) thinks it would be November. If he is claiming it would be in 08 it is a clear lie which was one of the reasons I wanted to pin him down about this specific prediction. From my POV he has moved from self-deluded to shyster. He knows he is lying to people about his special predictive powers when he takes their money. If god didn't want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Friends of Astrological Varieties, Read the new forecast for August by visiting my website Astrological Varieties http://www.yogavisionaries.com/. Senator Obama may be avoiding Hillary Clinton but the stars show trouble for him from August 16th up to the DNC on August 25th. Look for a huge surprise from the Republican Party that helps bring new life to the Clinton voters. For those who are unfamiliar with Lou (75% of my predictions are coming true) Valentino, here's a little background, courtesy of the Internet Wayback Machine. Lou has a tendency to make predictions for the coming year on his website, and then delete them the next year, claiming that a high percentage of them came true. What he doesn't seem to understand is that the Wayback Machine still has copies of these old predictions, so we can see how he *really* did. In 2007, Lou predicted about 2008: Hillary Rodham Clinton will not only win the Democratic nomination but will choose Senator Barak Obama as her running mate and this team will represent the next eight years of politics. (He now claims on his current site that she won the popular vote in the nomination process, so he was right.) In 2006, Lou predicted about 2007: Part of the huge change will be the passing over of MMY in July or August 2007. (In a followup on his current web page he now says, I predicted that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would pass over in 2008. He passed over on February 5th of 2008.) In 2006, Lou predicted about 2007: Look at the civilization of Lemuria which was destroyed by Atlantis some 25,000 years ago could resurface from the Pacific basin. What is left of Lemuria are the Hawaiian Islands. The original Indus tribe came from Lemuria and first landed on Sri Lanka. Another tsunami will help to push this civilization above the Pacific ocean and arche- ologists will find some fascinating information regarding the history of humanity. This could happen in 2007 or 2008. (His current site says, An ancient civilization rises to the surface by the spring of 2010.) In 2006, Lou predicted about 2007: Look for a new plan to withdraw troops [from Iraq] within one year. What I am seeing is by the end of June through July of 2007 those plans will change because of a possible attack from other areas such as Iran. This could harm our army to the point where we start air strikes to Iran and move the rest of the army that is left in Iraq to Iran for a standby attack on Iran. This would also force America to reinstitute the draft. Iran will become a problem this year as it contributes to the terrorist organizations and makes a possible attack on Israel. The attack on Israel will set into motion an evacuation by UFO's and will bring most of the Jews to America and Europe. This will be broadcast all over the world on every major news station and will be the dawning of a new age. This could happen around July 7th, 2007, around the end of October of 2007, or in 2008. This one incident will save the Jewish people from a second holocaust and bring the world together in a way no one would have ever imagined.? (Has there been any followup by Lou on this prediction? Not a word, except to claim that almost all of his predictions from that year came true.) In 2006, Lou predicted about 2009: By the middle of 2009 America will have the lowest crime rate in the world with a three day work week. Look for more UFO activity up till the beginning of 2009 but I see an undeniable proof of UFO's in the late spring and summer of 2009. (MY prediction is that when these things don't happen, Lou will remove all traces of ever having said them from his
[FairfieldLife] Virtual reality talking heads
Some friends of mine interviewing or being interviewed on a virtual reality TV show: http://metanomics.net/archive080408 L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino : Astrological Interpretation for August and Release of CD He
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I'm sure he has blind spots, as we all do. Many of the ones you and Barry have been pointing out. I think he believes in what he's doing and saying, and isn't intentionally deceiving others, maybe only himself. I don't doubt you are right about his personality in person. As am I. My impression was always that Lou was a big bucket of emotional mush. He confuses strong emotion with knowledge or with seeing or with having had a vision. When that happens to him, he equates the strong emotion with Truth. My only beef is correcting predictions retroactively to make them seem accurate. That is a little too slippery for me. Slippery, yes, especially when he's charging money for his astrological services. But I still tend to see this as a True Believer issue, not a lying issue per se. True Believers do this ALL THE TIME. They retro- actively reinterpret what they said, or what MMY said, or what their preferred 'authority' said to make it sound more appropriate or more true. Me, I am willing to bet that the more THAT they do this is in direct proportion to the number of times they call other people liars. In other words, the more they lie to themselves, the more they suspect others of lying to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... I think you're missing sort of the point of Personals ads. You're supposed to post the *good* stuff about yourself. :-) Just kidding. Good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpretation for August
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who are unfamiliar with Lou (75% of my predictions are coming true) Valentino, here's a little background, courtesy of the Internet Wayback Machine. Well, Turq, How about 'Maharishi's Legacy', summer 2007 thread http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/147313 I thought that was an incredibly understanding post when you made it freely here on FFL. The Magic 8 Ball says, You are very gullible, and a possible client for Lou's services. That post, like any others I make here, was me just spouting off. You charge for predictions? It's six months since Maharishi, and six months before that you have predicted... A year out now you run about what percent now? Beats the hell outa me. Since I didn't charge for my spouting off, I see no need to go back and check to see how accurate it was. If you'd like to pay me to do so, I will be happy to spend some time analyzing whether I was onto something with that particular rant or whether I was just ranting. :-) Near oraclic in propheting by any standards. I'll take your word for it. Although, if you call me oraclic again, I'm going to drag your ass into the alley and whup it gud. Never call a Sagittarius names he isn't sure of the meaning of! The Oracle of Sitges. You got a web page? Are you able to receive tour-busing groups of pilgrims asking their fortunes? Could you at least try that third race at Belmont tomorrow? No problemo. The third race at Belmont will be won by a horse or something that resembles one. The Oracle has spoken. Waiting on every word, under 50 posts a week, that isn't about bickering Judy, Some people can't do anything *but* bicker. They have no ideas of their own, and can *only* react to the ideas of others. That's why their compulsive post count goes way down when the people they had been counting on to bicker with them (and thus give the illusion that the bickerers do have something to say) stop interfacing with them. Not that that's a totally bad thing. I'm sure she has many good qualities...it's just that original thought isn't one of them. On the other hand, she probably stands a better chance of winning the third race at Belmont than either you or I do. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. You're being an apologist again, Lawson. The point is that this instruction is inappropriate in ANY context, when said BY anyone, when said TO anyone. Neither Maharishi nor any of his toadies have or have ever had the right to make such demands on ANYONE, be they TM teacher, Citizen Siddha, or Bozo the Clown. *Telling* someone who they can see and who they can't is the issue. *Submitting* to someone who is telling you who you can see and who you can't is the issue. The fact that you CAN make excuses for someone (ANYONE) telling another human being who they can see and who they can't is the issue. Forget about spirituality or higher evolution or advanced states of conscious- ness or any of that Woo Woo shit. Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. You're being an apologist again, Lawson. Oh bull. The point is that this instruction is inappropriate in ANY context, when said BY anyone, when said TO anyone. Bull again. Neither Maharishi nor any of his toadies have or have ever had the right to make such demands on ANYONE, be they TM teacher, Citizen Siddha, or Bozo the Clown. Thrice bullshit. The rationale was given explicitly and anyone who disagreed with it quite literaly had no business being a TM teacher because they were claiming quite clearly that they were certain that TM was the hghest path and if they didn't agree with what they were saying, they had no business saying it. MMY was simply establishing how to walk the walk in the public eye. *Telling* someone who they can see and who they can't is the issue. *Submitting* to someone who is telling you who you can see and who you can't is the issue. The fact that you CAN make excuses for someone (ANYONE) telling another human being who they can see and who they can't is the issue. In the context of being a TM teacher? Not at all. If they didn't want to play the game, they could hang up the shingle and do whatever they wantedm in public or not. Forget about spirituality or higher evolution or advanced states of conscious- ness or any of that Woo Woo shit. Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Fact is, MMY set up specific guidelines for the public behavior of TM teachers who wanted to be TM teachers in good standing with the organization. If they didn't like the guidelines, they didn't have to participate in being a TM teacher. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. You're being an apologist again, Lawson. Oh bull. The point is that this instruction is inappropriate in ANY context, when said BY anyone, when said TO anyone. Bull again. Neither Maharishi nor any of his toadies have or have ever had the right to make such demands on ANYONE, be they TM teacher, Citizen Siddha, or Bozo the Clown. Thrice bullshit. The rationale was given explicitly and anyone who disagreed with it quite literaly had no business being a TM teacher because they were claiming quite clearly that they were certain that TM was the hghest path and if they didn't agree with what they were saying, they had no business saying it. MMY was simply establishing how to walk the walk in the public eye. *Telling* someone who they can see and who they can't is the issue. *Submitting* to someone who is telling you who you can see and who you can't is the issue. The fact that you CAN make excuses for someone (ANYONE) telling another human being who they can see and who they can't is the issue. In the context of being a TM teacher? Not at all. If they didn't want to play the game, they could hang up the shingle and do whatever they wantedm in public or not. Forget about spirituality or higher evolution or advanced states of conscious- ness or any of that Woo Woo shit. Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Fact is, MMY set up specific guidelines for the public behavior of TM teachers who wanted to be TM teachers in good standing with the organization. If they didn't like the guidelines, they didn't have to participate in being a TM teacher. Lawson, I'm not going to get into this with you. Did you notice the in my book part in what I wrote earlier, and below? That's the same as saying in my opinion. My opinion hasn't changed as a result of you throwing a hissy fit and screaming Bull. And it's not likely to. You are obviously COMFORTABLE with someone having the right to tell you what to do and who you can see and who you can't and (essentially) what you are permitted to think and what you are not (because you are not allowed access to any heretical ideas). I am not, and will never be. In ANY context, but especially in a spiritual context, which is theoretically supposed to be about helping some- one to liberation. One does not achieve that goal by imprisoning people in my opinion. Your mileage may vary, and obviously does. I stand on my original statement: Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. End of discussion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Your mileage may vary, and obviously does. I stand on my original statement: Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. End of discussion. Eh, in MY book, throwing out characterizations like an almost complete lack of character and integrity is definitely meant to provoke a hostile reaction. You then calling my reaction a hissy fit when in fact, twas provoked by your deliberately antagonizing tone, is pure Rovian sophistry, reminiscent of McCain's current campaign strategy against Obama, as I already pointed out. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Advice for travellers to the UK...
Hey Rick, You might want to warn your neice and nephew that the weather over here has decided to skip August and September and go straight to October. So they'd better bring umbrellas, warm coats and wellingtons if they plan on going outside. It's a shame really as July was as hot and sunny as it gets here, my legs even started to go brown! Ok, it was more Starbucks latte brown than anything you'd see on Baywatch but all the same...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. How can it be a seperate issue? It amounts to the same thing and obviously comes from the same place. I know someone who won't even tell me what NLP course he went on in case he gets banned from the dome. Who'd want to live in a climate of fear like that? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. How can it be a seperate issue? It amounts to the same thing and obviously comes from the same place. I think what Lawson is proposing is called the Wal-Mart Defense. He's essentially saying that he agrees with their right to send out strong memos and hold mandatory meetings with their employees telling them to vote Republican, and implying heavily that they are jeapardizing their jobs if they do not. Or is that another separate issue? :-) Somehow I think not. I know someone who won't even tell me what NLP course he went on in case he gets banned from the dome. Who'd want to live in a climate of fear like that? Lawson's stance seems to be that he would not only be willing to live in such a climate of fear, but that he is willing to step up to the plate and defend the fear creators' right to create and perpetuate such an environment. And, it is important to note, he's taking this stance without ever once having walked the walk of his own talk. Unless I am mistaken, he never became a TM teacher (and thus has no earthly idea the pressures and lifestyle demands that were placed on them) and he's never lived in Fairfield (and thus had any first-hand experience with what it feels like TO live in such a climate of fear). All he seems to be able to do is repeat over and over that Wal-Mart/the TMO has the absolute right to tell its employees how to live. If the employees don't like it, they can quit. I'm sorry, Lawson, but that IS what you're saying. And it IS called being an apologist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Virtual reality talking heads
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some friends of mine interviewing or being interviewed on a virtual reality TV show: http://metanomics.net/archive080408 L They even used my avatar's picture on the webpage to illustrate the topic of the show: http://www.metanomics.net/files/images/Gridnaut%20Visionaries.png L
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue. Turq knows where to get the good holes, er ho's for drilling, trust me, Turq knows what he's talking about! :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:52 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. How can it be a seperate issue? It amounts to the same thing and obviously comes from the same place. I know someone who won't even tell me what NLP course he went on in case he gets banned from the dome. Who'd want to live in a climate of fear like that? Lawson The benefit of all this is that you are forced to be strong and self-referral when you seek spiritual teachers. This is a test that only the strong pass. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) --- On Tue, 8/5/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:22 AM well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
RE: [FairfieldLife] Advice for travellers to the UK...
Thanks. They're leaving today so I'll call. Rick Archer Self-Employed http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us 1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=641%2D472%2D 9336[EMAIL PROTECTED] 641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1lang=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_siglang=en Want a signature like this? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Advice for travellers to the UK... Hey Rick, You might want to warn your neice and nephew that the weather over here has decided to skip August and September and go straight to October. So they'd better bring umbrellas, warm coats and wellingtons if they plan on going outside. It's a shame really as July was as hot and sunny as it gets here, my legs even started to go brown! Ok, it was more Starbucks latte brown than anything you'd see on Baywatch but all the same... Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1584 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 PM image001.gif
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- On Tue, 8/5/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:15 AM Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( Are you gunning for the little old lady of the year award? Did any of your religious ethics guides mention that being judgmental sucks? The dude said he was regular in meditation, what exactly would it mean if he concentrated on his meditation? Did meditation take away your sex drive? And no one is fooled about your being actually sad about people having gratuitous sex whatever that means. I'll bet you love the superiority buzz of judging him, just as I do judging you. It makes us feel special. The guy is communicating that he isn't dead yet or a TM celibate drone, he wants 200% of his woman and I'm with Pete, he is taking a direct approach. I only hope that the most interesting thing about him is not that he meditated regularly for a long time. I am not fooled by your use of the term morality, you mean prudery. There was nothing immoral in his desire to connect with a person on all levels of life, he mentioned meditating with her first. (personally I would have gone with hot oil massage but to each his own) I guess in the same way that his direct request hit your buttons, your judgment of him hit mine Billy. Prudishness is not virtuousness IMO. It is a scourge on relationships and I have seen it destroy more than a few movement ones. By now any of us adults should be comfortable with the gift of boning. I prefer it in a committed relationship, but I am not confused that this is more than just my preference. But shaming someone looking for a little love in their world seems like a pretty sour, cynical take on life to me. Very tea doillies and dried flowers with arsenic laced in the powdered sugar on the Pfefferneusse cookies. Kinda creepy. Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Alan, I like your simple straight ahead approach. Good luck! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: From: alan alan.kuntz@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:03 PM hey Im an old t.m meditator single divorced in Oregon What better to place to just put it out here than this. I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) Hey Im serious ..this isnt a joke.I have been meditating twice a day since june 7 ,1976 and am also a t.m sidha... Take it as it comes Maharishi saith and if it doesnt come go out and get it and if it doesnt exist create it and so here is my attempt at getting this wish fulfilled in the relative.I hope this offends no one. Integrally and spiritually yours truly, Alan Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Character and spiritual development go hand in hand, in case you haven't heard. Maybe if he concentrated on his meditation he wouldn't need gratuitous sex, as this is what it sounds like...sad. :-( To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Nobody said there was, that's where babies come from! However, anything out of the context for which it was intended is a misuse of that power. When you misuse something it becomes sinful which leads to suffering; the laws of nature are here to protect us and provide us with guidance in our sojourn on earth. Religion is our friend, not our enemy. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
I hope you don't work with young children.. seriously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Hi Billy, I know you think you are espousing a traditional, common sense approach to sexuality. One backed up by eastern, or at least popular Indian schools. But sexuality as an approach to spiritual development is also a legitimate path, if a less common one. I think you need to recognize that this is a highly individual decision, and understand that each soul knows what they need for their progress. You may think that this simply willy nilly sexual indulgence. It's not. And that may be hard for you to get your head around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide..
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide.. Conversation between two butt-ugly scary creatures in the Bardo: Org: Oh, no! Here comes another one of them? Borg: Another one of what? Org: One of those pompous Brahmacharya types. You know, the ones who spent their entire lives being uptight about and rejecting all of the good things in creation, and thought they were being serious about spirituality BY being uptight and afraid of pleasure. Borg: Well duh, Org. Look at your job description. That's the only souls we EVER get to work with. The ones who enjoyed what the world put in their path and tried their best not to hurt other people don't ever come to our section of the Bardo. They have a smooth transition between death and rebirth, don't interface with any of us gnarly types, and have a smooth ride to a higher incarnation. It's only the retards that we get to work with for a while before we send them back to the lower planes. Org: But it's how OFTEN we have to send them back that bugs me. You'd think that after a few times around the Bardo, being shown clearly that reject- ing sex and relationships was equivalent to reject- ing life itself, that they'd catch a clue and stop doing it. But No...they just keep doing it, lifetime after lifetime, and we have to deal with the *same* retards between every life, over and over. Borg: Yeah, that gets me down sometimes, too. I mean, the ONLY thing we do here is show them the manifestations of their own ugly minds and their own ugly fears. It's not like we *invent* tortures or anything. THEY invent the tortures themselves; they're the things they were afraid of in life. And they never seem to get it. Org: Tell me about it. Take that Patanjali dude. We've had to send him back *thousands* of times now, and he's *never* gotten the point. Borg: And it's not only him but his *followers*. In *every* life he does the same thing, and con- vinces a whole new set of seekers that the way to what they call self realization is achieved by rejecting whatever the self finds pleasurable. Org: Oh well...let's get to it. Time to trot out the Reflection Of Consciousness Machine, and allow this guy to deal with his own fears and ugly thoughts for a while. Chances are he'll interpret them as some kind of judgment for having thought about sex a few times in his life. laughs Borg: also laughs Yeah, isn't that the kicker? He'll spend his entire trip through the Bardo thinking that his sins were thinking about sex, when the reality is that his sins were in reject- ing sex, and thus rejecting an important aspect of the wonder of creation. Org and Borg go to work, and in the background we hear the screams of an uptight soul being tortured by being exposed after death to all of the pleasure he avoided in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
I never mentioned anything about gratitous sex but a mutual and recipricol relationship with a base of meditation practice..pure consciousness and the desire to evolve along with a companion in the same boat. I could have colored my stuff with a little more romance and decency or culture.Its not meant for those who can't handle simplicity and honesty but its meant for those who understand simple as that. Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. One male respondent who likes to post here even believed that he had had sex with God, Herself. But apparently, most women don't even get off on thrusting. LOL! snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) sez Peter, not getting it --- On Tue, 8/5/08, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:22 AM well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
mainstream wrote: I'll try Viagra or Cialis before having to give it up, thank you. Well, I hope at least you're wearing a rubber!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. But sometimes it *did* come from MMY. *Directly* from him. On my TTC we had whole lectures on how we were NEVER to be seen attending any talks by other spiritual teachers, or reading their books. The rap (or wrap...an attempt to program or control) went, If one of my teachers is seen at someone else's centers or lectures, that implies that my teachers feel that they have something to *learn* from this person, something they cannot get at home in the TM organization. It implies that TM is not the highest path. Well, it isn't. It's just another path. That Maharishi didn't want any of his students to know this is the issue, and always was. The people putting up that sign weren't working on their own; they were doing what they had been taught to do. But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. How can it be a seperate issue? It amounts to the same thing and obviously comes from the same place. Lawson explained why it's a separate issue in a later post. I think what Lawson is proposing is called the Wal-Mart Defense. He's essentially saying that he agrees with their right to send out strong memos and hold mandatory meetings with their employees telling them to vote Republican, and implying heavily that they are jeapardizing their jobs if they do not. Or is that another separate issue? :-) Somehow I think not. Actually it's a thoroughly bogus analogy. A more appropriate one would be telling managers that they mustn't be seen shopping at Target. Note as well that even in Barry's account, the prohibition was against being *seen* doing any of these things. It had to do with the public image of the TMO. I know someone who won't even tell me what NLP course he went on in case he gets banned from the dome. Who'd want to live in a climate of fear like that? Lawson's stance seems to be that he would not only be willing to live in such a climate of fear, but that he is willing to step up to the plate and defend the fear creators' right to create and perpetuate such an environment. With regard to TM teachers, it isn't a climate of fear. That's a thought-stopper. And note that Barry himself was perfectly willing to live with MMY's instructions. snip All he seems to be able to do is repeat over and over No, he hasn't been repeating it over and over. He explained exactly what he meant and why, but Barry doesn't want to address his logic. that Wal-Mart/the TMO has the absolute right to tell its employees how to live. If the employees don't like it, they can quit. Basically, that's true: If you represent a company, the company gets to tell you that if you want to keep your job, you don't go around doing things that reflect badly on the company or its product. Perfectly normal. Barry's faux outrage here is simply an excuse to bash Lawson. I'm sorry, Lawson, but that IS what you're saying. And it IS called being an apologist. Apologist is used by people like Barry as if it were a pejorative, but of course it isn't. Barry himself is an apologist for all kinds of things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. You're being an apologist again, Lawson. Oh bull. The point is that this instruction is inappropriate in ANY context, when said BY anyone, when said TO anyone. Bull again. Neither Maharishi nor any of his toadies have or have ever had the right to make such demands on ANYONE, be they TM teacher, Citizen Siddha, or Bozo the Clown. Thrice bullshit. The rationale was given explicitly and anyone who disagreed with it quite literaly had no business being a TM teacher because they were claiming quite clearly that they were certain that TM was the hghest path and if they didn't agree with what they were saying, they had no business saying it. MMY was simply establishing how to walk the walk in the public eye. *Telling* someone who they can see and who they can't is the issue. *Submitting* to someone who is telling you who you can see and who you can't is the issue. The fact that you CAN make excuses for someone (ANYONE) telling another human being who they can see and who they can't is the issue. In the context of being a TM teacher? Not at all. If they didn't want to play the game, they could hang up the shingle and do whatever they wantedm in public or not. Forget about spirituality or higher evolution or advanced states of conscious- ness or any of that Woo Woo shit. Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Fact is, MMY set up specific guidelines for the public behavior of TM teachers who wanted to be TM teachers in good standing with the organization. If they didn't like the guidelines, they didn't have to participate in being a TM teacher. Lawson, I'm not going to get into this with you. Of course Barry's not going to get into it. Lawson is making perfect sense, and Barry, as usual, is not. Did you notice the in my book part in what I wrote earlier, and below? That's the same as saying in my opinion. My opinion hasn't changed as a result of you throwing a hissy fit and screaming Bull. And it's not likely to. Lawson didn't throw a hissy fit, and he didn't scream. He pointed out that Barry's opinion made no sense and backed it up with a thoroughly logical argument, which Barry doesn't dare try to address. My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. You are obviously COMFORTABLE with someone having the right to tell you what to do and who you can see and who you can't and (essentially) what you are permitted to think and what you are not (because you are not allowed access to any heretical ideas). Barry may want to rewrite his account of what MMY said on his TTC, because it wasn't about not being allowed access to heretical (read: different) ideas, it was about *not being seen* reading or listening to them. I am not, and will never be. But, obviously, was for some years, or at least was willing to go along with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Peter wrote: Alan, try lingam and yoni, much more in tune with natural law ;-) Doctor Pete, the real 'Love Guru'! LOL! Mike Myers in 'The Love Guru'The Love Guru didn't bomb because of Justin Timberlake. It didn't bomb because Mike Myers waited too long after the last installment of Austin Powers to become one with the cultural zeitgeist. It didn't bomb because Hindu fundamentalists raised a stink over the film's usage of sacred terms. Read more: 'Why Did `The Love Guru' Bomb?' We Ask The Guru Himself, Deepak Chopra By Jennifer Vineyard MTV Movie Blog, Monday, August 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6d6jrj
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
TurquoiseB wrote: You might try the Yahoo sailing groups if it's important to you to do it in a boat. Last I checked there were a couple of meditating cuties on one of those forums who liked to do it in canoes. :-) Again, just kidding, and again, good luck. Your post was a breath of fresh air and honesty after some of the uptight, posturing rants of guys who could never get laid, and reacted by trying to turn that into some kind of virtue. So, last night you went to another Spanish bar. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpretation for August
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: snip Waiting on every word, under 50 posts a week, that isn't about bickering Judy, Some people can't do anything *but* bicker. They have no ideas of their own, and can *only* react to the ideas of others. That's why their compulsive post count goes way down when the people they had been counting on to bicker with them (and thus give the illusion that the bickerers do have something to say) stop interfacing with them. Uh, no. My post count goes way down when (a) I'm not here, and (b) when the discussion subjects aren't of particular interest to me. And only Barry would claim I have no ideas of my own. What a joke. Not that that's a totally bad thing. I'm sure she has many good qualities...it's just that original thought isn't one of them. On the other hand, she probably stands a better chance of winning the third race at Belmont than either you or I do. :-) My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this... --Barry Wright, 7/23/08
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino : Astrological Interpretation for August and Release of CD He
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip True Believers do this ALL THE TIME. They retro- actively reinterpret what they said, or what MMY said, or what their preferred 'authority' said to make it sound more appropriate or more true. Me, I am willing to bet that the more THAT they do this is in direct proportion to the number of times they call other people liars. In other words, the more they lie to themselves, the more they suspect others of lying to them. No suspicions necessary where Barry's concerned; there's way more than enough hard evidence that he's a chronic liar. My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this... --Barry Wright, 7/23/08
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. Good one Willytexright, they're practicing tantric sex, ha, ha!
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
mainstream wrote: I hope you don't work with young children... seriously. Hello! You're especially not supposed to be having tantric sexual relations with children...seriously! BillyG wrote: You decide.. If you try to defend these people, aren't you somehow guilty by associating yourself with reprobates? Read more: 'Where is the ACLU?' Posted by Katie Allison Granju: http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/22/where-is-the-aclu/
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Immediately after hitting Send, I realized what was wrong with my point: Alan explicitly said he was looking for spiritual/sexual companionship, but that's exactly what was missing from Bevan's proposition-- he said (according to Ken) that the reason he was taking this approach was because he didn't have time to form relationships. So I take it all back!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
Judy wrote: Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Er, there's only *one* president on the dollar bill, not all those presidents and the president on the dollar bill is not black, so Obama IS different from the president on the dollar bill, who is white. But there are not more than one president on the dollar bill, black or white. That's what McCain was mocking - that Obama was trying to inject race into politics, but Obama didn't even realize that there is only one president on the dollar bill. After all, it is quite obvious that Barack Obama does not look like those presidents on the dollar bills--George Washington has longish white hair and is wearing a bandage around his neck held together with a frilly handkerchief. Read more: 'Poll shows voters think Obama's 'dollar bill' comment racist' By Ethel C. Fenig American Thinkewr, August 04, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/69z62h You're being an apologist again, Lawson. Oh bull. The point is that this instruction is inappropriate in ANY context, when said BY anyone, when said TO anyone. Bull again. Neither Maharishi nor any of his toadies have or have ever had the right to make such demands on ANYONE, be they TM teacher, Citizen Siddha, or Bozo the Clown. Thrice bullshit. The rationale was given explicitly and anyone who disagreed with it quite literaly had no business being a TM teacher because they were claiming quite clearly that they were certain that TM was the hghest path and if they didn't agree with what they were saying, they had no business saying it. MMY was simply establishing how to walk the walk in the public eye. *Telling* someone who they can see and who they can't is the issue. *Submitting* to someone who is telling you who you can see and who you can't is the issue. The fact that you CAN make excuses for someone (ANYONE) telling another human being who they can see and who they can't is the issue. In the context of being a TM teacher? Not at all. If they didn't want to play the game, they could hang up the shingle and do whatever they wantedm in public or not. Forget about spirituality or higher evolution or advanced states of conscious- ness or any of that Woo Woo shit. Being able to excuse such behavior on the part of jealous tyrants indicates an almost complete lack of character and integrity in my book. Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Fact is, MMY set up specific guidelines for the public behavior of TM teachers who wanted to be TM teachers in good standing with the organization. If they didn't like the guidelines, they didn't have to participate in being a TM teacher. Lawson, I'm not going to get into this with you. Of course Barry's not going to get into it. Lawson is making perfect sense, and Barry, as usual, is not. Did you notice the in my book part in what I wrote earlier, and below? That's the same as saying in my opinion. My opinion hasn't changed as a result of you throwing a hissy fit and screaming Bull. And it's not likely to. Lawson didn't throw a hissy fit, and he didn't scream. He pointed out that Barry's opinion made no sense and backed it up with a thoroughly logical argument, which Barry doesn't dare try to address. My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. You are obviously COMFORTABLE with someone having the right to tell you what to do and who you can see and who you can't and (essentially) what you are permitted to think and what you are not (because you are not allowed access to any heretical ideas). Barry may want to rewrite his account of what MMY said on his TTC, because it wasn't about not being allowed access to heretical (read: different) ideas, it was about *not being seen* reading or listening to them. I am not, and will never be. But, obviously, was for some years, or at least was willing to go along with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:00 AM, authfriend wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Everybody didn't, Judy. Lurk said he respected that, and, IIRC, Peter did as well. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People with power often like to tell others what they should do. A very nasty trait indeed. Why people in the movement allowed John, Bevan, et al to have power over one of the most intimate decisions a person could make (i.e., who to take spiritual counsel from) is beyond me. What do they know about your life and spiritual need? Absolutely fucking nothing! Why would anyone listen to them. Time to kill one's sheep nature, a nasty trait indeed. Om, most folks actually don't. like Sal mentioned recently. Peter, folks do know their experience as meditators and they know their experience of meditating in groups. So they do come here. On a practical level, folks mostly take what is useful to them by experience. With the case of the FF meditating community, if there wasn't some spiritual energy/experience in the middle of it, only just meditating, then folks would go easily on to something else. Mostly folks just look out for their own selves in going to the domes, which has meant having to live with and listen to the TM administration, like it or not. Most figure out how to live under it to their own benefit. The sad thing is when folks who have earnestly moved and lived here run in to or cross the underlying hardline spiritual fascism of the administration here. That has been a long problem as the e-mail below reminds about it. Lot of folks living here in the meditating community just stay away from it. You'd be encouraged by the nature of the larger meditating community living here. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:57 PM More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. Thanks for sending this info out. Jeez, these movement fanatics have destroyed their own movement. TOO BAD. . JGD, Guru Dev's Directives, Guidelines for Spiritual Progress: From: Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, (The `Guru Dev' of the TMorg). The Guru Dev Biography page has translations from Guru Dev's QA sessions: QA #69: Guru Dev: 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. Some people say that having taken one guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] minds imagination. The guru is gone to for happiness. Up until when bhagavaad (God) is gained - up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakta (devotee) fearful of shifting, always studying in the very same class of the very same guru. Actually, to transfer class and to transfer guru is natural. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually respect has been done the guru, but in future you get the promise of discipleship of fresh gurus. Vyasa's son Shukadeva ji acquired knowledge from his own father, then he gained knowledge from Shankara ji and also gained knowledge from Narada ji. In the end he took instruction from Janaka ji. Therefore, 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. You should not ruin your life with this kind of empty words. Many lives have been caused to live in births, now then be alert to attain the human birth. Understanding the method of upaasanaa (worship) from higher and higher gurus, having been doing actions according to Veda shaastra, be doing chanting and puja of Bhagavan, then it is certain you will cross the sea of saMsaara (worldly existence). [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006, 2007 Jai Guru Dev, http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm Om
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
snip Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Yeah, I raised that very point, but apparently there were no repercussions for this woman. I think she would have to be a non meditator for this to be true. Getting on Bevan's bad side could have serious repercussions. It reminds me of the Bill Clinton Paula Jones accusations. The question was did the Governor have power over her even though she was not working directly under him. (poor choice of words) Aside from all the other drama an bullshitery of that event, the power question was interesting. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Different issue entirely, for one thing. For another, this particular tactic of the straightforward proposition may have been in lieu of hitting on married women, for all we know--maybe he realized it wasn't the thing to do, and this seemed like a more honorable alternative. What people here didn't like was the *straightforwardness* of Bevan's proposition. But that's exactly what they *do* like about Alan's. Your feed back to Alan was very helpful IMO. I hope he takes it. The line between directness and Frat boy is a thin one. I don't know many women who dig frat boy. As a young man I was amazed at how effective some guys were with the direct approach. I was Mr. Romantic, trying to be subtle. But time and time again I would see some obviously lecherous guy dive in and swoop up a woman with zero flowers and maximum drilling...oh wait that is a poor choice of words...how about moments of the clouds and the rain? Yeah that Shogun stuff still flies! We all find our own balance with how we dance the dance. Once I learned more about the strong appetites of women, I learned I could give clearer signals. But if Bill's method was reported accurately, I don't imagine I will ever evolve into that style, no matter how comfortable I am with myself. There is also a line between directness and being a complete douche bag. (not so fine) Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar... He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him. Curtis wrote: Power balance. If you have ever been on a course with Bevan, you would know that he can get you tossed off with a blink of his eye. In his domain he has great power over the women who enters his office. Plus he hit on married ladies in the community Maharishi asked him to build. Not very community minded IMO. Now if Bevan wants to put up a personal ad here for a woman who would like to join him in a meditation, and then a little dinner, and then a little room service, and then a couple of veggie lovers pizzas without the onion and mushrooms, and then some cokes and bags of chips from the mini bar...He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. But, what about the 'ball gag'? Oh, so now it's all about a 'power' grab that you're offended, not the use of the ball gag. Peter wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Curtis wrote: There is also a line between directness and being a complete douche bag. (not so fine) So, you're saying that all the women that used the direct method with you were all 'douche' bags? As a young man I was amazed at how effective some guys were with the direct approach.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Judy wrote: Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? Most of the men here seem to think that good sex consists of mere drilling, with an occasional ball gag, but it is laughable to think that some informers actually seem to think they're practicing tantric yoga'. BillyG wrote: Good one Willytexright, they're practicing tantric sex, ha, ha! Yeah, the 'tantric sex' of drilling and thrusting in a hole! PATNA: Suspended PU reader Matuknath, also known as love guru for his controversial extra-marital affair with a student, Julie, shot off a letter to CM Nitish Kumar on completion of two years of his suspension. Read more: 'Love guru' writes to CM for reinstatement' Times of India, July 16, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5wyj3u
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
snip chips from the mini bar...He'll get no shit from me. At least not for the ad. But, what about the 'ball gag'? If that is an offer the answer is no. I don't use them. Thanks for thinking of me though. Oh, so now it's all about a 'power' grab that you're offended, not the use of the ball gag. Yes, as long as it is between consenting adults it is none of my business what you use in your bedroom. I've always assumed you were a zippered leather face hood wearing kind of guy Richard, but that hasn't gotten in the way of our chummy chats has it? Peter wrote: snip Ouch! First round to Curtis! I agree with Curtis here, Billy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with sex. Maybe Alan could be a little smoother, but so what, he wants to be in a sexual relationship with someone. I wish him all the luck in the world. Reminds me a little of the old Taxi series on TV. Louie DePalma (Danny Devito's character) said that he always asked attractive women if they'd like to go to his apartment and have drinks and sex. When asked if it worked he said not yet because most women slapped him in the face, but there's always a chance! Judy wrote: What's really amusing about all this is how negatively everybody reacted to the story about Bevan asking a woman to come to his office and asking her if she'd be willing to have sex with him.
[FairfieldLife] The Rise and [Relative] Fall of Stupidity in America
http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/08/05/tomo/story.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Beating emoticons into plowshares
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think you're missing sort of the point of Personals ads. You're supposed to post the *good* stuff about yourself. :-) Just kidding. Good luck. This is what I mean, Barry. You have so overused your beloved emoticon that even now when you DO use it in a see? I was just kidding mode you actually have to qualify its use and TELL us you were just kidding. This is emoticon abuse. Please stop treating the slashes, dots, dashes, and curves of the computer keyboard as your personal Guantanamo.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D alan wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Yeah, that's a great line. Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D Sal
[FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head?
Article about how guys particularly have two ages: the one they are and the one they are in their head. So what age are you in your head? Years ago I heard that Maharishi told people pick an age, preferably young and it would help to keep you physically younger. So I did. Anyone else do that. And I have also heard the same trick from other yogis. Of course one would wonder if some here picked 5 or 6. :D 'Gen X' author tells how guys really view age: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25847518/
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting on Bevan's bad side could have serious repercussions. It reminds me of the Bill Clinton Paula Jones accusations. The question was did the Governor have power over her even though she was not working directly under him. (poor choice of words) Aside from all the other drama an bullshitery of that event, the power question was interesting. As far as I know from friends who work in Human Resources law, the power differential issue was the kicker in the Bevan incident. That power differential makes it illegal for him to ever hit on *anyone* in the TM movement, just as it would make it illegal for the CEO of a large corporation to hit on an employee. If a CEO tried to hit on any woman who worked for his company, she would be able to retire on the proceeds of the lawsuit and the CEO would be out of a job faster than a New York lawyer can speak the words sexual harassment suit. (And that's FAST, for those who have not known a lot of New York lawyers...it's a period of time that has to be measured in milliseconds.) Personally I don't see how anyone could even *conceive* of having sex with that blubberous old toad, but if someone he *doesn't* have any power over decides to do it, I wish her well and I hope she is paid well enough for the experience that it covers the necessary psychotherapy. :-) But a TMer? If the woman in question had had any knowledge of the law and was willing to sever her ties to the TM movement, she would be a cool mil- lion dollars richer at this point, and Bevan would never be allowed within ten miles of MUM ever again in his life. The thing is, legally, my friends in Human Resources law tell me that she could *still* file a sexual harassment suit against Bevan and against MUM. Being hit on by a person with power over her who has a proven history of lashing out and firing people at that university is ENOUGH. He wouldn't have HAD to threaten her in any way, or retaliate against her in any way when she said no for her to win such a lawsuit. Given the legal precedents established in most states, he was guilty the moment he opened his mouth and propo- sitioned her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Damn, no wonder I am not scoring at my suburban housewives lunch hour Tantra class! I guess I'd be better off at the after work offshore drilling workshop. Or do I have that one wrong too? Doesn't anything mean sex anymore? I went to the do-it-yourself gynecological exams lecture series but I got kicked out for giggling at the first one. But come on, they must have said fallopian tubes (wasn't that one of the sutras?) about 20 times and on the 21st I just couldn't hold it in any longer. OK I think I have one that would work: The class called: Getting some, we mean it this time, no kidding,you know what we are talking about right, wink wink, nudge nudge, we mean hanky panky, fooling around...still not getting it...damn you're thick...we mean sex, sex acts between two people, sexual behavior between consenting adults (ball gags optional) got it now? Class will meet in a large bed where sex will happen during class. I think I am getting a pretty clear picture of what they are hinting at this time. Thanks for clearing up the Tantra thing, I think I can still get some of my money back. (I thought the mat they sold me looked kinda thin for the horizontal mambo) Of course maybe you also hung out over by Antelope in the 1980's and learned a misinterpretation. :D alan wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off..I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up.Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beating emoticons into plowshares
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] I think you're missing sort of the point of Personals ads. You're supposed to post the *good* stuff about yourself. :-) Just kidding. Good luck. This is what I mean, Barry. You have so overused your beloved emoticon that even now when you DO use it in a see? I was just kidding mode you actually have to qualify its use and TELL us you were just kidding. This is emoticon abuse. Please stop treating the slashes, dots, dashes, and curves of the computer keyboard as your personal Guantanamo. Fuck off and die. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head? Article about how guys particularly have two ages: the one they are and the one they are in their head. So what age are you in your head? Years ago I heard that Maharishi told people pick an age, preferably young and it would help to keep you physically younger. So I did. Anyone else do that. And I have also heard the same trick from other yogis. Of course one would wonder if some here picked 5 or 6. :D 'Gen X' author tells how guys really view age: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25847518/ In my head, I feel rather timeless, because I honestly don't identify that much with my body. When I was younger and more ego-bound, I was very concerned with my appearance. Now I'm hardly aware that I have an appearance. I'm sometimes surprised when I see myself in a mirror and realize that that's what people see when they look at me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
But, what about the 'ball gag'? Curtis wrote: I don't use them. So, it was just a 'gag'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beating emoticons into plowshares
This is emoticon abuse. Please stop treating the slashes, dots, dashes, and curves of the computer keyboard as your personal Guantanamo. TurquoiseB wrote: Fuck off and die. :-) :-(
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Age are You in Your Head?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head? Article about how guys particularly have two ages: the one they are and the one they are in their head. So what age are you in your head? Years ago I heard that Maharishi told people pick an age, preferably young and it would help to keep you physically younger. So I did. Anyone else do that. I never heard it and I never did it, consciously, but when I moved to Paris it was a shock to me how familiar it looked, and how it felt closer to my inner age. The thing is, it reminded me of the years I spent in Morocco growing up. I lived there between the ages of 14 and 16. Those are fairly formative years in a young man's life; I probably formed most of my ideas about what I find attrac- tive in a woman during those years. So when I moved to Paris, given the level of immigration from North Africa in the years since, it was like coming home to that 14-16-year-old mindset. Despite what some might tell you here :-), not *all* of me reverted to that 14-16-year-old mindset. Just the parts that had to do with feeling *excited* about life. When I lived in Morocco I had just moved from Georgia ferchissakes, and got dropped into this exotic land full of exotic landscapes and exotic women. Every day was an adventure. I can honestly say that that period was the most exciting of my life until much, much later, when I ran into a few odd teachers and took up the spiritual path. I *loved* that open, beginner's mind mindset that I had then, and I love it now. I hope I never outgrow it. And I have also heard the same trick from other yogis. Of course one would wonder if some here picked 5 or 6. :D Funny. 'Gen X' author tells how guys really view age: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25847518/ In my head, I feel rather timeless, because I honestly don't identify that much with my body. When I was younger and more ego-bound, I was very concerned with my appearance. Now I'm hardly aware that I have an appearance. I was never terribly concerned about my appearance, but in the last few years I agree with you completely. I am rarely aware that I *have* an appearance. I'm sometimes surprised when I see myself in a mirror and realize that that's what people see when they look at me. Yup, been there, done that. Kinda neat, actually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head?
Many years ago, I heard someone say MMY said people over 30 should not admit their age to anyone, because it would create age issues in the listener's mind and revert back as negative thoughts that would not help the person over 30 stay young. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:51 PM Article about how guys particularly have two ages: the one they are and the one they are in their head. So what age are you in your head? Years ago I heard that Maharishi told people pick an age, preferably young and it would help to keep you physically younger. So I did. Anyone else do that. And I have also heard the same trick from other yogis. Of course one would wonder if some here picked 5 or 6. :D 'Gen X' author tells how guys really view age: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25847518/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Borg: Another one of what? Org: One of those pompous Brahmacharya types. You know, the ones who spent their entire lives being uptight about and rejecting all of the good things in creation, and thought they were being serious about spirituality BY being uptight and afraid of pleasure. Borg: Well duh, Org. Look at your job description. That's the only souls we EVER get to work with. The ones who enjoyed what the world put in their path and tried their best not to hurt other people don't ever come to our section of the Bardo. They have a smooth transition between death and rebirth, don't interface with any of us gnarly types, and have a smooth ride to a higher incarnation. It's only the retards that we get to work with for a while before we send them back to the lower planes. Org: But it's how OFTEN we have to send them back that bugs me. You'd think that after a few times around the Bardo, being shown clearly that reject- ing sex and relationships was equivalent to reject- ing life itself, With all due respect Turq/Unc, I think you've got it backwards. The souls that are 'eternally damned' to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime are those who are in search of satisfying the *insatiable* ephemeral senses, i.e. those who pursue sex as an end in itself and not for the purpose for which it was intended. I'm not suggesting you would qualify for that self determined judgment. I am speaking of those who are Hedonists and sense addicts. Sex in the proper context is a beautiful thing and results in creativity. I'm talking about sex outside of the context of Marriage and children. You have mis-characterized my comments,. or have you? that they'd catch a clue and stop doing it. But No...they just keep doing it, lifetime after lifetime, and we have to deal with the *same* retards between every life, over and over. Borg: Yeah, that gets me down sometimes, too. I mean, the ONLY thing we do here is show them the manifestations of their own ugly minds and their own ugly fears. It's not like we *invent* tortures or anything. THEY invent the tortures themselves; they're the things they were afraid of in life. And they never seem to get it. Org: Tell me about it. Take that Patanjali dude. We've had to send him back *thousands* of times now, and he's *never* gotten the point. Borg: And it's not only him but his *followers*. In *every* life he does the same thing, and con- vinces a whole new set of seekers that the way to what they call self realization is achieved by rejecting whatever the self finds pleasurable. Org: Oh well...let's get to it. Time to trot out the Reflection Of Consciousness Machine, and allow this guy to deal with his own fears and ugly thoughts for a while. Chances are he'll interpret them as some kind of judgment for having thought about sex a few times in his life. laughs Borg: also laughs Yeah, isn't that the kicker? He'll spend his entire trip through the Bardo thinking that his sins were thinking about sex, when the reality is that his sins were in reject- ing sex, and thus rejecting an important aspect of the wonder of creation. Org and Borg go to work, and in the background we hear the screams of an uptight soul being tortured by being exposed after death to all of the pleasure he avoided in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. Lawson Dear Lawson, you evidently don't live here. Well, in fact just last week a lowly common citizen-sidha old-time meditator got informed on, called in and the dome badge taken away. Banned. It happens. The sad thing around it was to learn how active they still are in developing files on people. Like a secret police. In the case of this person the capital administration had learned through tips that the person was at a Ganapati concert in NYC Lincoln Center the week before while on vacation and had also received a hug from Ammachi another time. A chiropractor had even called informing that the person had visited a different saint another time. Both tips came from the direction of licensed professional people in the community reporting what probably should have been patient-client confidential. Is kind of scary what people can do to others. Stuff like this energy has been cankerous to the movement community and the domes for at least 20 years. Is sad for the community generally. Sad too that some few would still collaborate this way with TM, the state of fascist spirituality. No wonder is so hard to freely get the numbers they'd really like. Even paying people to go. It is a sad story in utopia. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: People with power often like to tell others what they should do. A very nasty trait indeed. Why people in the movement allowed John, Bevan, et al to have power over one of the most intimate decisions a person could make (i.e., who to take spiritual counsel from) is beyond me. What do they know about your life and spiritual need? Absolutely fucking nothing! Why would anyone listen to them. Time to kill one's sheep nature, a nasty trait indeed. Om, most folks actually don't. like Sal mentioned recently. Peter, folks do know their experience as meditators and they know their experience of meditating in groups. So they do come here. On a practical level, folks mostly take what is useful to them by experience. With the case of the FF meditating community, if there wasn't some spiritual energy/experience in the middle of it, only just meditating, then folks would go easily on to something else. Mostly folks just look out for their own selves in going to the domes, which has meant having to live with and listen to the TM administration, like it or not. Most figure out how to live under it to their own benefit. The sad thing is when folks who have earnestly moved and lived here run in to or cross the underlying hardline spiritual fascism of the administration here. That has been a long problem as the e-mail below reminds about it. Lot of folks living here in the meditating community just stay away from it. You'd be encouraged by the nature of the larger meditating community living here. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:57 PM More mail from the Inbox: What a stupid trip the leadership here laid on everyone for so long. I was in the Dome one night for a meeting roughly 10 years ago. Around that time I had gone in earlier for program and there was a very big sign at the entrance saying DON'T GO SEE THIS KARUNAMAYI!. The meeting was not on this topic, but it did come up. Hagelin, Keith, and others were there. Someone asked about the other guru question, since countless people had been blackballed or forced out of the movement quite unnecessarily. I heard Hagelin say the following with my own ears This is something WE (the folks on the stage) came up with. It did not come from MMY or GD. Thanks for sending this info out. Jeez, these movement fanatics have destroyed their own movement. TOO BAD. . JGD, Guru Dev's Directives, Guidelines for Spiritual Progress: From: Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, (The `Guru Dev' of the TMorg). The Guru Dev Biography page has translations from Guru Dev's QA sessions: QA #69: Guru Dev: 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. Some people say that having taken one guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] minds imagination. The guru is gone to for happiness. Up until when bhagavaad (God) is gained - up until then you can go and change guru.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. At the tender age of nine, when the other children of the world were mostly busy in playgrounds, he had matured in the idea of renunciation and by continuous and deep thinking was convinced of the futility and evanescence of worldly pleasures. He realized so early that real and lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Well , lookie here, Guru Dev (or a wannabe) is among us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. At the tender age of nine, when the other children of the world were mostly busy in playgrounds, he had matured in the idea of renunciation and by continuous and deep thinking was convinced of the futility and evanescence of worldly pleasures. He realized so early that real and lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head?
Rick Archer wrote: In my head, I feel rather timeless, because I honestly don't identify that much with my body. When I was younger and more ego-bound, I was very concerned with my appearance. Now I'm hardly aware that I have an appearance. I'm sometimes surprised when I see myself in a mirror and realize that that's what people see when they look at me. In yoga it isn't about appearance but health, so your health doesn't fall apart as easily and you have more energy.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with.. A very common theme on this list. Applies not only to we lowly meditators, but to MMY and other gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
and how does one realize the divine from Maharishis perspective ? dip that cloth in the die and set it out to dry, dip it some more and some more and repeat the process The joys and pleasures of the phenomenal world is 100% the joys and pleasure of the divine are another 100% What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Peace and love, Alan lasting happiness cannot be had without the realization of the Divine. The joys and pleasures that are obtained from the phenomenal world are mere shadows and smudged images of the ideal happiness and bliss, that is not far from man but exists in his own heart, enveloped by the dark clouds of ignorance and illusion. Love and God MMY
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
-Ah very well then..I am definitely at home and loving this list already..I shouldn't have lurked so long :-) alan -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with.. A very common theme on this list. Applies not only to we lowly meditators, but to MMY and other gurus.
RE: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head? Rick Archer wrote: In my head, I feel rather timeless, because I honestly don't identify that much with my body. When I was younger and more ego-bound, I was very concerned with my appearance. Now I'm hardly aware that I have an appearance. I'm sometimes surprised when I see myself in a mirror and realize that that's what people see when they look at me. In yoga it isn't about appearance but health, so your health doesn't fall apart as easily and you have more energy. I've got plenty of energy and I've never been sick enough to need a Dr. visit. Rarely sick at all. Knock on wood.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Is the Pope Catholic?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beating emoticons into plowshares
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I mean, Barry. You have so overused your beloved emoticon that even now when you DO use it in a see? I was just kidding mode you actually have to qualify its use and TELL us you were just kidding. This is emoticon abuse. Please stop treating the slashes, dots, dashes, and curves of the computer keyboard as your personal Guantanamo. Fuck off and die. :-) On some of the forums I'm on they have a whole bunch of animated emoticons. There's even one for people bashing each other showing two cartoon characters bopping each other over the head. But I haven't seen one yet for the line you gave above but I could just imagine.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. For seekers whose methods of spiritual evolution are far advanced beyond Indian-based techniques, this becomes a moot point. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:25 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Unfortunately, I think this gentleman typifies the moral character of many TM meditators. Since MMY never taught morality and ethics, and many if not most TM'ers adopted TM, *in lieu of Religion*, this is what you get! Evidently Billy believes such issues should be kept firmly in the closet. For shame, for openly expressing one's desire for sexual gratification. BIlly, maybe you typlify the moral character of many meditators-a certain denial of sexual urges. It's not that one should deny sexual urges, but control them! Self restraint is one the virtues Patanjali himself recommends and MMY too! If you want to get serious about spirituality the value of Brahmacharya is a valuable asset in your quest for self realization. We are free to choose as we will, and pay the price for our choices, as MMY often said quoting Christ, As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At the end of everybody's life comes the judgment as to how you will be spending the interim between lives. Will you be consumed with lust, anger or greed? You decide.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Apologist is used by people like Barry as if it were a pejorative, but of course it isn't. Barry himself is an apologist for all kinds of things. Uncle T's original remark was basically calling me a Nazi, or at least, a Nazi-sympathizer. Apologist is ever-so-much more low-key. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Age are You in Your Head?
Very cool! Very good subject for dialogue too. When I think of 'How old are you in your head To me that would mean how old do you feel emotionally.Physically I feel about 30.In fact I am in better shape now compared to when I was 30.Emotionally I feel like I am about 3 to 5 but there is something else in here that feels like its timeless and a genius.I've known this since age 1 or so only to have forgotten it for many years..Kind of like what Alan Watts talked about in one of his lectures about 'you are not it:-)well me no believe or feel that any more. alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What Age are You in Your Head? Rick Archer wrote: In my head, I feel rather timeless, because I honestly don't identify that much with my body. When I was younger and more ego-bound, I was very concerned with my appearance. Now I'm hardly aware that I have an appearance. I'm sometimes surprised when I see myself in a mirror and realize that that's what people see when they look at me. In yoga it isn't about appearance but health, so your health doesn't fall apart as easily and you have more energy. I've got plenty of energy and I've never been sick enough to need a Dr. visit. Rarely sick at all. Knock on wood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. Er, there's only *one* president on the dollar bill, not all those presidents and the president on the dollar bill is not black, so Obama IS different from the president on the dollar bill, who is white. But there are not more than one president on the dollar bill, black or white. That's what McCain was mocking - that Obama was trying to inject race into politics, but Obama didn't even realize that there is only one president on the dollar bill. After all, it is quite obvious that Barack Obama does not look like those presidents on the dollar bills--George Washington has longish white hair and is wearing a bandage around his neck held together with a frilly handkerchief. Read more: 'Poll shows voters think Obama's 'dollar bill' comment racist' By Ethel C. Fenig American Thinkewr, August 04, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/69z62h Of course they think its racist. They didn't know about McCain's youtube ad from the month before. Of course, Obama himself may not have actually seen the ad either, so he may have only recalled that it had his face on money, not which denomination. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: But that's a TM teacher instruction, which is a separate issue from the thing about Sidhas at Fairfield visiting other gurus. Lawson Dear Lawson, you evidently don't live here. Well, in fact just last week a lowly common citizen-sidha old-time meditator got informed on, called in and the dome badge taken away. Banned. It happens. The sad thing around it was to learn how active they still are in developing files on people. Like a secret police. In the case of this person the capital administration had learned through tips that the person was at a Ganapati concert in NYC Lincoln Center the week before while on vacation and had also received a hug from Ammachi another time. A chiropractor had even called informing that the person had visited a different saint another time. Both tips came from the direction of licensed professional people in the community reporting what probably should have been patient-client confidential. Is kind of scary what people can do to others. Stuff like this energy has been cankerous to the movement community and the domes for at least 20 years. Is sad for the community generally. Sad too that some few would still collaborate this way with TM, the state of fascist spirituality. No wonder is so hard to freely get the numbers they'd really like. Even paying people to go. It is a sad story in utopia. But, as I said, the isntruction to TM teachers is a separate issue than people getting banned from the Domes. What you cited was the extremism that the TMO often descends into, but it still doesn't take away from my point. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya what, from a woman's point of view: the term drilling would turn me right off. Maybe it has some esoteric tantric meaning, but to me it doesn't suggest much in the way of mutuality or reciprocity. You're the drill, and the woman is what, the hole? snip I am looking for a female companion to meditate with and some one who is capable, willing and wanting a regular tantric savanaka drilling :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, Hope you meet a bright and sensual, spiritually attuned beautiful female who finds you likewise attractive, and the two of you have immense pleasure together, for the rest of your life. The key to drilling is to build your partner's desire for your member such that drilling is not initiated by you, but by your partner. If you're patient and progressively arouse her, eventually she will create a vacuum in her vagina that will pull your member into her. At that point, her willingness will welcome your drilling, and you can go full bore, in mutual respect and pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: well she deifinitely has to be your friend and not only willing but wanting the same thing.If she has a spiritual esoteric dharma mind and realizes that I do as well she could probably laugh and say I want to give this guy a big hug..Man is he ever hungry..Yeah some would be turned off.. I'm sorry I can't really help them other than tell them to lighten up. It isn't a matter of lightening up or helping them. It's a matter of how a woman is likely to perceive a man who refers to having sex as drilling, because of what it says about how he perceives sex: it's something he *does to* the woman, not something they do together, not something they share. And there's also a rather ugly undertone of violence involved. There are probably some women who prefer that approach, who enjoy being the hole a man does his business in. I and most women I know would find it offputting. And that may not, in fact, be your attitude; you may just have chosen your words poorly. But that's all I'm pointing out: it's a poor choice of words if words (especially written words) are the medium through which you're making your initial appeal. In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what you're looking for. Instead of saying drill and hole we will say I am the Shiva and she is the Shakti or how about the yin and the yang...drill and hole is ok though :-)I like the idea of drilling a heart and mind as well as the body with sat chit ananda..Peace my friend Alan Tell ya
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan So, let's get this straight. You now concur with Judy that it was a poor choice of words, Right? So, now, after half of the group here initially sided with you (and your poor choice of words) you change your mind! Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. I guess that leaves me smelling like a Rose, Right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to increase my drilling activities, too. If any ladies read this and would like to provide the hole for my drill, please feel free to respond to this message. No relationship. No communication. Just honest-to-goodness drilling. For some reason I have had zero success with women for the last 40+ years and I have never been able to figure out why. Perhaps my luck will change now that I have explained exactly what I am looking for. I read in a book that honesty is important to the ladies, although since I currently know no ladies, I am unable to determine whether this is true or not. What a belly laugh, good one!!! Post of the month folks, post of the month!! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. No, that has nothing to do with my rejection of your Amish POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan alan.kuntz@ wrote: Well I am looking for somebody smart like you.I'll proabaly have to wait to find some one as refined and intelligent ..Perhaps even a life time or two.I am humbled..You are right..It was a choice of poor words.Usually the attempt to be honest and forward and open are botched and are clumsy attempts for me...Hey it worked with my second wife and I really miss her and so I thought I would give it another try.Incidently I just want to say just because you meditate regularly and for 32 years doesn't always mean all your lines of developement as Ken Wilber would say are on par or the most mature or evolved.I am not saying this to justify anything but only trying to introduce some ideas here that others may or may not be aquainted with..Yeah my words were poor on a social level or cultured social level but I am essentially very uncultured..I am not unclean or an ogre or ignorant though..Just wanting to spread my wings and be me as I am and grow from there..Hey good luck to you too in what ever you do. I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children Well if that was a comment to me I happen to have four children.One is a college professor of antropology at Portland State University.She speak four languages fluently..Another daughter is a fourth grade elementary school teacher.One son is s sou chef at the Benson Hotel in Downtown Portland and the youngest I am almost certain is a reincarnated tibetan lama..Well I guess I am not as crude or ogre like as I even think sometimes.. Now if this was a centering prayer email list I would have really been a good boy but hey since its a t.m list I am just myself. I think it goes like this... Get good and get god no no Get God and get good yes yes' MMY hey have a nice day . Alan So, let's get this straight. You now concur with Judy that it was a poor choice of words, Right? So, now, after half of the group here initially sided with you (and your poor choice of words) you change your mind! Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. I guess that leaves me smelling like a Rose, Right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. Yeah, see, Billy, my rule is I don't pay any attention to that kind of stuff unless it makes sense to me experientially, so please go preach to somebody else, OK?
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think you also commented to some one and said.., I hope they don't have children No, that wasn't my comment. And you have it wrong anyway. It was I hope you don't *work with* young children. It was directed not at you but at somebody who was preaching to you about the virtues of controlling your sexual urges. Sorry to have bothered you by introducing a female perspective. That's obviously *not* what you're looking for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Judy wrote: Your projection reminds me of John McCain's calling Barack Obama racist for mocking McCain's own use of Obama's picture on a $100 dollar bill. I didn't write any of this. Er, there's only *one* president on the dollar bill, not all those presidents and the president on the dollar bill is not black, so Obama IS different from the president on the dollar bill, who is white. But there are not more than one president on the dollar bill, black or white. That's what McCain was mocking - that Obama was trying to inject race into politics, but Obama didn't even realize that there is only one president on the dollar bill. After all, it is quite obvious that Barack Obama does not look like those presidents on the dollar bills--George Washington has longish white hair and is wearing a bandage around his neck held together with a frilly handkerchief. Read more: 'Poll shows voters think Obama's 'dollar bill' comment racist' By Ethel C. Fenig American Thinkewr, August 04, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/69z62h Of course they think its racist. They didn't know about McCain's youtube ad from the month before. Of course, Obama himself may not have actually seen the ad either, so he may have only recalled that it had his face on money, not which denomination. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and how does one realize the divine from Maharishis perspective ? dip that cloth in the die and set it out to dry, dip it some more and some more and repeat the process The joys and pleasures of the phenomenal world is 100% the joys and pleasure of the divine are another 100% What do you think? Did Maharishi lie or exagerate? Peace and love, Alan Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally and as a result, spiritually, in conjunction with TM as Patanjali suggested in his Ashtanga Yoga. (See appendix of MMY Gita) But then if you're willing to pay the price of immoral living waiting for TM to 'kick in' that is your business. ...all limbs, or means, must be practiced,... simultaneously, MMY Gita appendix on Yoga. A dirty mirror cannot reflect the sun clearly, TM is BOTH purification and infusion (of the being). One compliments the other...
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In any case, best of luck to you. I hope you find what That's the problem Judy, a person in search of sensual indulgence NEVER finds what he's looking for, the momentary pleasure is at best fleeting, always insatiable and offers no lasting satisfaction. That is why they are doomed to roam the earth lifetime after lifetime looked for an illusion. Yeah, see, Billy, my rule is I don't pay any attention to that kind of stuff unless it makes sense to me experientially, so please go preach to somebody else, OK? I didn't know preaching wasn't allowed, I mean, can't you give me an Amen, brother? Turq cusses all of the time.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally A quote that someone happened to send me today: To have faith in the existence of a Supreme Power and to live accordingly is religion. When we become religious, morality arises, which, in turn, will help to keep us away from malevolent influences. We won't drink, we won't smoke, and we will stop wasting our energy through unnecessary gossip and talk. Morality or purity of character is a stepping stone to spirituality. We will develop qualities like love, compassion, patience, mental equipoise, and other positive traits. These will help us to love and serve everyone equally. - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p103 (0103)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does that leave Dr. Peter, Turq, Curtis, Mainstream, Lurk, I guess eating their own words, and yours! even YOU don't agree with them, what a great turn of events!! Ha, ha. No, that has nothing to do with my rejection of your Amish POV. Nyuk, nyuk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that tantra isn't about sex, that's a western misinterpretation. Damn, no wonder I am not scoring at my suburban housewives lunch hour Tantra class! I guess I'd be better off at the after work offshore drilling workshop. Or do I have that one wrong too? Doesn't anything mean sex anymore? I went to the do-it-yourself gynecological exams lecture series but I got kicked out for giggling at the first one. But come on, they must have said fallopian tubes (wasn't that one of the sutras?) about 20 times and on the 21st I just couldn't hold it in any longer. OK I think I have one that would work: The class called: Getting some, we mean it this time, no kidding,you know what we are talking about right, wink wink, nudge nudge, we mean hanky panky, fooling around...still not getting it...damn you're thick...we mean sex, sex acts between two people, sexual behavior between consenting adults (ball gags optional) got it now? Class will meet in a large bed where sex will happen during class. I think I am getting a pretty clear picture of what they are hinting at this time. Thanks for clearing up the Tantra thing, I think I can still get some of my money back. (I thought the mat they sold me looked kinda thin for the horizontal mambo) They should advertise themselves as sex therapists then. That's what the Marin County tantra is: sex therapy. There are some advanced techniques that tantrics practice with a mate in a smashan but those are not for beginners. And I would think sex in a smashan might a bit dirty. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally A quote that someone happened to send me today: To have faith in the existence of a Supreme Power and to live accordingly is religion. When we become religious, morality arises, which, in turn, will help to keep us away from malevolent influences. We won't drink, we won't smoke, and we will stop wasting our energy through unnecessary gossip and talk. Morality or purity of character is a stepping stone to spirituality. We will develop qualities like love, compassion, patience, mental equipoise, and other positive traits. These will help us to love and serve everyone equally. - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.4 p103 (0103) God bless you Rick, right on Yes.
[FairfieldLife] A great way for OffWorld to deal with the injustices of life
OffWorld rants, vents his spleen, and is continually frustrated with the little things in life, as he is continually telling us in his posts here. He's got a lot of pent up rage, hostility, and hatred. And there are, of course, conspiracies around every corner. Here's a way he can deal with all these horrible injustices: CALL 911 AND COMPLAIN! The other day, a Florida man didn't get what he wanted when he ordered two sandwiches from Subway. So what did he do? He called 911! And not one but three times! Hear the three 911 calls: http://tinyurl.com/5crs3f So if this guy can use 911 as a sounding board when a sandwich order goes wrong, it is therefore entirely appropriate that OffWorld call 911 to complain about George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the war in Iraq. And the kind and sympathetic ears of the 911 operators can listen to him as he waxes poetically about all the conspiracy theories that are, in concert, ruining his peaceful life up there on Lake Champlain.
[FairfieldLife] John McCain, devoted husband
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/207172.php So, either McCain didn't know anything about this group, which shows brilliant judgement from his staff, and reflects well on him, OR, he's willing to do and say ANYTHING to become President. Or at last, he's willing to humiliate his wife to become President: 'I grew up in Western South Dakota, and can tell you that topless, and occasionally bottomless barely scratches the surface on Miss Buffalo Chip. There were always rumors about underage contestants and on-stage sex--that was simply what Buffalo Chip stood for in the collective unconscious of teenage boys in the Rapid City area. T his amounts to John McCain volunteering his wife for a Girls Gone Wild video. Quite a lady's man, that McCain...' L
[FairfieldLife] Re: looking for a t.m meditator companion
--- Yes MMY exaggerated, IMO! Did you honestly think after only a few years of TM you'd reach the very pinnacle of Human evolution? A culmination of which is so grand and amazing as to baffle the imagination? Perhaps it baffles the imagination is the problem.Stop imagining and practice.Here is the way that centering prayer people say it from the contemplative outreach..You use your sacred word or your t.m mantra or your zazen shikantaza or anapanna, or what ever method or technique that suits your ability to sit twice a day for 20 to 30 minutes or so as your intention to God in the cloud of unknowing.You give your consent to the willful transformation of yourself by a God of no image or concept and then you pay attention.So the culimation of the practice no matter what your cultural resonance might be is ( Intention/Attention) I think this is about as good and righteous as you can get.All the super ego imposition of morals and ethics are simply that..Some thing imposed on you, your essential nature...your essence..Essence maybe rather stupid or socially imature but it is basiclly always food..It is pure.Ypou think you are not enlightened because people have imposed their spiritual laws and views on you and you believe that you need to be fixed or redeemed or saved or liberated.I think what we all really need to do is not be afraid and to desire to want to grow ,consider the morals and ethics and just keep on practicing.. Yes quite frankly there are a lot of things that Maharishi said that I dont take very seriously any more. C.C ( turiya) witnessing isnt that big of a deal. If you arent doing this while asleep you can use the ever present witness meditation and start doing it right now while you are awake.Oh Incidently from some schools pof thought and most christian contemplative and gnostic groups suggest that the third state of consciousness is self reflective self consciousness..The deal about this like Gurdjieff said its like the terror of the situation..One begins to develope a conscience that is ones own and not something that is super ego imposed over you.Its very important to get to this point of non identification to my shallow empty insignifigance and take my reference point as that witness..What ever you can observe in your self.see it claim it and name it you are already not it and beginning to non identify with it.If I sit around and identify to my shallow ness, or imorality then I am that..Non identification is the key..Self reflective self consciousness is important but non critical non judgementally so.It paves the way to the 4th state of consciousness or objective consciousness..The real objective view//In other words ala Gurdjieff Life is only real when I am C.C is simply witnessing 24-7..Arent any of you doing that sponataneously after years of doing t.m? If it doesnt stay the part that is missing is self reflective self consciousness and Maharishi said thats not even neccesary..I never could buy that though myself. If you can witness an object how can you be afraid? If I have ways of behavior that are unpleasent,unkind, immoral unethical to know it I would have to first see it, 2nd claim it,3rd not identify with it 4th Keep on keeping on with that meditation practice giving ones consent and intention to God in that cloud of unknowing and then look around and pay attention..Baby its a wonderful ride :-) alan MMY himself finally said in Fuiggi, It could take a million years to reach CC, unless you come to these courses so there you have it Alan, you must practice Religion in order to grow morally and as a result, spiritually, in conjunction with TM as Patanjali suggested in his Ashtanga Yoga. (See appendix of MMY Gita) But then if you're willing to pay the price of immoral living waiting for TM to 'kick in' that is your business. ...all limbs, or means, must be practiced,... simultaneously, MMY Gita appendix on Yoga. A dirty mirror cannot reflect the sun clearly, TM is BOTH purification and infusion (of the being). One compliments the other...
