[FairfieldLife] Re: Rendezvous with Rama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 4:48 PM, John wrote: To All: About 20 years ago, there was a book entitled with the same name above and was written by the late Arthur C. Clark. The book is about a huge alien spaceship that was passing by the Earth's orbit around the Sun. Subsequently, the government of Earth sent astronauts to investigate this foreign vessel. When the astronauts got to the spaceship, they found the vessel to be empty except for biots, or biological robots unlike any models conceived here on earth. They also found evidence that the creators of this technological marvel built the spaceship in multiples of five. Similarly, we are living in an ecological marvel that is revolving around the Sun in our own spaceship Earth. We too find evidence that the creator of this planet built it in multiples of five. These multiples are equivalent to the basic five elements (fire, water, earth, air and ether) necessary to sustain life as cognized by the rishis of the ancient past. If we investigate the significance of these elements, we will find the nature of the creator Itself. For example, the element of water signifies the sense of taste. By extension, we can deduce that the creator as well would have the structure necessary, as in the taste buds, to be able to experience the sense of taste. To make this post brief, we can surmise that the creator's body would be fairly similar to the structure of the human body. Thus, the ancient rishis have cognized the concept of the cosmic person, or Kalapurusha. Any comments? It could just be that humans have a natural tendency to project. And furthermore, that many of them seem to be completely incapable of understanding that the things they project onto the world *are* projec- tions, and have nothing to do with reality or truth. Maybe the lesson in all this is that the projections are just that: projections. They're empty. They ain't real. In this case it's particularly ludicrous. Anyone who ever met Arthur Clarke would know that he would react to someone suggesting that his choice of five spaceships in Rama was somehow related to the five elements in Vedic Woo Woo by beating them about the head with his umbrella. I once saw him do just that to a fan who claimed that one of his books demonstrated Clarke's belief in God. He chased the offending lout around the conference, whacking him on the head and shouting, God...I'll show you God!!!, laughing the whole time. :-) Next up, besides the obvious (yet another attempt to make it appear that the real world fits into the narrow ideas of it dreamed up by Dark Age seers), there is John's reference of the five elements themselves. Not one of them is an element. They are instead Dark Age superstitious notions about four phenomena (earth, air, fire, water) that they saw around them and didn't understand, and so wanted to imbue with made-up mysterious meanings, AS IF they understood them. And dealing with four real phenomena wasn't enough for them, so they had to make up a fifth *imaginary* element (ether) to add to the mix. I defy John to produce anything in the world of science that vali- dates a belief in the element of ether. Hint: he should probably look for it in the section of the science library that contains books on how black cats cause bad luck and sleeping under the light of the moon causes lunacy. :-) Once you understand that these projections are like images in a great mirror that doesn't change and is effectively empty of self-nature, you stop identifying with the images and resolve your own condition to that of the mirror. Exactly. There are two forms of liberation implicit in real- izing that stuff like this is total projection, and has *nothing whatsoever* to do with reality or knowledge. The first is becoming liberated from taking oneself seriously, AS IF one actually believed that one HAD knowledge. There is nothing quite as liberating as realizing that one knows diddleysquat. :-) But the second form of liberation implicit in realizing that stuff like this is pure projection is that you can *keep on doing it*, but for a better reason -- FOR FUN. I project stuff onto the movies or TV series I like all the time. Just the other day I projected spiritual ideas onto the films American Beauty and Amelie. But was I implying as I did so that what I was seeing in those films was some kind of truth? Not at all. I have, in fact, met and chatted with Jean-Pierre Jeunet, and know for a fact that he never intended many of the things I see in Amelie. But he was amused that I saw them there, and tripped on them FOR FUN the same way I was doing. We both laughed about it. I suspect that Alan Ball would be similarly amused by the spiritual archetypes I saw in American Beauty. The difference between doing this kind of
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
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[FairfieldLife] Edg's vote for me to stay ploy, expressed as a kind of dance :-)
A perfect representation of what Edg's attempt to make his pathetic need for attention look less pathetic would look like, if expressed as gymnastics or dance. Warning: don't try this at home. [http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif] Note: I'm going to attempt to paste in the animated GIF above, but there is a good chance that it won't animate in your browser or email reader, so if it doesn't, go here...it's worth it: http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif [:)]
[FairfieldLife] Health Safety Scare Over Nail Clippers
A cautionary tale from today's Register: A medic at Lister Hospital in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, UK has advised men against attempting DIY circumcision with nail clippers, after a young man who'd decided this was the best way to go roundhead was admitted for emergency treatment. Staff disinfected the unnamed victim's wound, and he was dispatched to an observation ward bed. According to the Telegraph, the medic stressed: This is something we would advise men never to attempt. The results can be quite horrific and long-lasting and have quite an effect on a man's sexual performance. Hinting at what had provoked the patient to treat his foreskin in such a cavalier fashion, the medic concluded: Using a pair of nail clippers must have caused excruciating pain, even if he had had a few drinks beforehand. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/30/diy_surgery/
[FairfieldLife] Vote for Edg (Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: I'll vote for ya! Heck, I always have a soft spot for the underdog... -Robert+ (The Electric Lad) Thank you, Robert. That's five. We're half way there folks. Now pick up your phones and dial your support for Brother Edg. A vote for Edg is a vote for integrity and an end to button-pushing trolls. Come on guys. This is fun. Let's call out the trolls and clean up the place. If you believe, he shouted to them, clap your hands; don't let Tink die. The more quickly this horror is disposed of the better. The first to emerge from his tree was Curly. He rose out of it into the arms of Cecco, who flung him to Smee, who flung him to Starkey, who flung him to Bill Jukes, who flung him to Noodler, and so he was tossed from one to another till he fell at the feet of the black pirate. All the boys were plucked from their trees in this ruthless manner; and several of them were in the air at a time, like bales of goods flung from hand to hand... It was poisoned, Peter, she told him softly; and now I am going to be dead. O Tink, did you drink it to save me? Yes. But why, Tink? Her wings would scarcely carry her now, but in reply she alighted on his shoulder and gave his nose a loving bite. She whispered in his ear You silly ass, and then, tottering to her chamber, lay down on the bed. His head almost filled the fourth wall of her little room as he knelt near her in distress. Every moment her light was growing fainter; and he knew that if it went out she would be no more. She liked his tears so much that she put out her beautiful finger and let them run over it. Her voice was so low that at first he could not make out what she said. Then he made it out. She was saying that she thought she could get well again if children believed in fairies. Peter flung out his arms. There were no children there, and it was night time; but he addressed all who might be dreaming of the Neverland, and who were therefore nearer to him than you think: boys and girls in their nighties, and naked papooses in their baskets hung from trees. Do you believe? he cried. Tink sat up in bed almost briskly to listen to her fate. She fancied she heard answers in the affirmative, and then again she wasn't sure. What do you think? she asked Peter. If you believe, he shouted to them, clap your hands; don't let Tink die. Many clapped. Some didn't. A few beasts hissed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg's vote for me to stay ploy, expressed as a kind of dance :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: A perfect representation of what Edg's attempt to make his pathetic need for attention look less pathetic would look like, if expressed as gymnastics or dance. Warning: don't try this at home. [http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif] Note: I'm going to attempt to paste in the animated GIF above, but there is a good chance that it won't animate in your browser or email reader, so if it doesn't, go here...it's worth it: http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif [:)] Trolling again? Sorry, no nibbles. Come on Barry, we really want to like you. Vote for Edg and pledge to free yourself from addiction to trolling (ATT). Better yet, take the vow to put up or shut up. Think how much happier you could be if everyone loved you instead of thinking of you as the poster boy for trolling. It would be such a pleasure to read your posts without cringing. Trolling is such a waste of your talent as a writer.
[FairfieldLife] Vote for Edg (Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 1)
Now this vote from Robert is one of the finest moments in FFL history. A guy who I recently scoured with a snarky post, votes for me nonetheless. Talk about the ability to melt rocks that Guru Dev had all you want, but here Robert's soul showcases that divine quality like amalak fruit on the palm of one's hand. Pound on me all you want for the innate narcissism of this vow ploy, but miss not Robert's baby in the bathwater. I bow to this. Again and again I bow to this. Thanks Robert! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Well, Edg, I've been thinking about the whole vow business and have noticed Barry seems to be ignoring your troll at the moment, probably thinking up a troll of his own. Unlike Barry's trolls, at least your troll is self aware. I don't think Barry will take your bait but it's been fun watching him wriggle on the end or your hook. So unless you get some more votes, I guess it's off to the Brier Patch. Anyway, I'll do what I can to pitch for you: O.K. folks, this is a telethon for Edg. Ante up,folks. Every little bit helps. What the hell, guys, vote for Edg. Brooks Dunn - You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKxmFuW_R8 Could I put in a vote for the whole list? everyone would be missed by someone. That is most generous of you, kind sir. Thank you. Thanks too for the vote. Now that I'm Raunchy's charity case, I have renewed hope. Yay, I'm up to four votes, um, er, I think. There's the dark underbelly of the vow: accounting overhead. Edg I'll vote for ya! Heck, I always have a soft spot for the underdog... -Robert+ (The Electric Lad)
[FairfieldLife] Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
Come on folks, let's encourage the trolls to take the vow by telling them they can count on our votes if they take the vow. I will vote for anyone who takes the vow. Anyone, so there's your first vote, and for sure, Raunchy and Meow will vote for anyone too, and, look at Robert voting for me today -- he'll vote for you too, and Nelson voted for the whole list. See? If I can get votes that easily, anyone can. So, Nab? Off? Turq? Willy? TAKE THE VOW -- ya gots five votes for sure! And, like Robert's vote for me today, any of you taking the vow will give us all a tremendous BOFF when we see your courage. Yes, you have such power. And, for those who see this vow thing as silly, yeah, okay, but but but, there's real consequences if you do not vote if the vowers keep their vows. Abstaining is voting, get it? So I call on all posters to do as Nelson has done and put in a blanket vote for everyone -- at the very least, you can do that. But, let me tell you, it is one fine thing to be voted for, and I encourage all to have the thrill of thrilling a vow-taker here, and instead of just doing a blanket vote for all, spend a post on each vower to underline to each that they are worthy in your eyes to be at Rick's Party. Yeah, it's a gimme. We know you are already okay with all the posters, but this individual affirmation is uplifting -- especially to the one that votes -- it gives you a blast of clarity about your power to be a source of spiritual warmth in the world. I mean, if Turq takes the vow, do you think it would be insignificant to me to vote for him? It's a small thingy, yes, but it's a genuine moment of truth too. The physician desires disease, and even the trolls of FFL are thereby validated when we frame them as zen challenges to our ability to maintain one's space. If Turq takes the vow, I'm going to think about that bravery, and I'd have to recognize that without him here, I'd have less traction for my motivation to write, and worse, I'd have no way to exercise my ability to surrender to the whole picture of FFL reality. God Bless The Trolls! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Mantra study - Oprah.com
A 3-page summary at Oprah.com of a small study done in 2006. http://www.oprah.com/article/spirit/emotionalhealth/spirit_meditation_mantra_b1 or http://snipurl.com/l981n
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
Duveyoung wrote: Come on folks, let's encourage the trolls... Who are you calling a 'troll'? You need to get some smarts and stop all this unnecessary flaming, and taking up band-space for no good reason. The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Read more: Subject: Troll FAQ From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 21 2005 http://tinyurl.com/4xtzej
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 3
Duveyoung wrote: I did almost nine months with Maharishi in Spain and Italy, and I heard it straight from his mouth that initiators only would be expected to do a mere two years before CC was, on average, arrived at... Maybe so, but we get anonymous posters here all the time who make these kinds of TMO status claims, saying 'Marshy told me this or Marshy told me that'. Apparently this happened a very long time ago, so maybe you just thought he said that, but you were mistaken about it. Barry says it was a promise of '5 to 7 years' [to CC]. Can you cite any evidence other than anecdotal evidence? Like in a book, a video, or some other printed material? Although it is hearsay, I personally heard Maharishi say 5 years, and a few years later heard him say 5 to 7 years. I know that there were early SIMS brochures that actually said 5 to 7 years, but I don't have them any more... Read more: From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Karma goes to son or grandson Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 8, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/lu7jfz From what I understand, it was a *speculation* of MMY's on a long-ago teacher training course, delivered reluctantly in response to insistent questions, more like a ballpark estimate than a promise. Word spread among TM teachers of this estimate, and it was optimistically but unrealistically turned into a guarantee that applied universally to all those who practiced TM. For a time, it was reported as such to any TMer who asked. When it quickly became obvious that even MMY's ballpark estimate for TM teachers who did lots of rounding was overly optimistic, it was no longer reported... Read more: From: Judy Stein Subject: Re: The Promise of Enlightenment Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 13, 1997 http://tinyurl.com/kqqbrx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Come on folks, let's encourage the trolls... Who are you calling a 'troll'? You need to get some smarts and stop all this unnecessary flaming, and taking up band-space for no good reason. The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Read more: Subject: Troll FAQ From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 21 2005 http://tinyurl.com/4xtzej Good point, Willytex. Labeling anyone a troll who doesn't agree with your point of view just weakens the definition of troll. Pushing buttons to intentionally piss people off is trollish behavior. Folks may disagree with you, Willytex, for your rightwing perspective, but it is no reason to call you a troll. Folks can freely argue their lefty ideas with you or criticize TM and you should be free to engage in them in a discussion of ideas with out being slandered. I disagree with Edg. You are not a troll but since I have come forward as his campaign manager, I hope you will vote for Edg to stay on FFLife. Just think of it as extending a gesture of the good will to uplift the quality of life on FFLife.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra study - Oprah.com
Marek Reavis wrote: A 3-page summary at Oprah.com of a small study done in 2006... Oops, apparently none of these are actual 'mantras', they're just words or phrases. Mantra study: http://snipurl.com/l981n Definition of mantra: A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, or a series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged in conventional patterns, based on codified esoteric traditions, and passed on from one preceptor to one disciple in the course of a prescribed initiation ritual... Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Its Not What You Think! Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: August 26, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/n4xa63
Re: [FairfieldLife] Edg's vote for me to stay ploy, expressed as a kind of dance :-)
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Note: I'm going to attempt to paste in the animated GIF above, but there is a good chance that it won't animate in your browser or email reader, so if it doesn't, go here...it's worth it: It worked--poor Edg. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 3
Willy the War Monger, Fine, don't believe me, who fucking cares if Willy the War Monger is holding his breath and turning purple? I call that entertainment! I'm merely reporting for the benefit of those who can feel the honesty in my posts -- I know what I heard, and Maharishi wasn't estimating; he was predicting an average -- with all the clout we suckers empowered him with. It was a fucking lie pure and simple, and he knew it, and we suckers slurped it right down despite every manner of red flag waved in our faces. One look around at the personalities in any TM group session, and it was a freakshow of broken souls that would send Freud running for cover...that's who the technique targeted: those so wounded that they were grasping at straws. I was one of them. Willy, look in a mirror. I get it that a guru can lie for an evolutionary purpose, but when the technique doesn't work in almost any of the advertised ways, it turns out that the only reason for this kind of marketing was money. And, even if TM could deliver enlightenment for almost everyone in, say, sixty years, shame on Maharishi for attempting to sucker us into 5 - 8 years in order to get us so invested that we'd keep on keeping on for the necessary decades. That's how God works -- tricking folks? Um, ick. Sounds like marketing that Amway would support. Millions started TM, and what do we get as the success stories: well we got Willy's posts as one example of a mind that is a direct product of the technique. Look at the posts of Willy for the last 15 years -- does anyone see his heart blossoming into a universal compassion when he so gleefully delights in the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqi women and children by economic rapists? Where's all the saints that should have been produced by Purusha and Mother Divine by now? Where's all the People Magazine profiles of TM's great minds and hearts benefiting the world like, say, Mother Teresa did? Where's the hovering? Where's the beef? I got my caveat emptor tee shirt, so there's that profit, but FUCK! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Duveyoung wrote: I did almost nine months with Maharishi in Spain and Italy, and I heard it straight from his mouth that initiators only would be expected to do a mere two years before CC was, on average, arrived at... Maybe so, but we get anonymous posters here all the time who make these kinds of TMO status claims, saying 'Marshy told me this or Marshy told me that'. Apparently this happened a very long time ago, so maybe you just thought he said that, but you were mistaken about it. Barry says it was a promise of '5 to 7 years' [to CC]. Can you cite any evidence other than anecdotal evidence? Like in a book, a video, or some other printed material? Although it is hearsay, I personally heard Maharishi say 5 years, and a few years later heard him say 5 to 7 years. I know that there were early SIMS brochures that actually said 5 to 7 years, but I don't have them any more... Read more: From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Karma goes to son or grandson Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 8, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/lu7jfz From what I understand, it was a *speculation* of MMY's on a long-ago teacher training course, delivered reluctantly in response to insistent questions, more like a ballpark estimate than a promise. Word spread among TM teachers of this estimate, and it was optimistically but unrealistically turned into a guarantee that applied universally to all those who practiced TM. For a time, it was reported as such to any TMer who asked. When it quickly became obvious that even MMY's ballpark estimate for TM teachers who did lots of rounding was overly optimistic, it was no longer reported... Read more: From: Judy Stein Subject: Re: The Promise of Enlightenment Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 13, 1997 http://tinyurl.com/kqqbrx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
Raunchy, Does ya really think Willy isn't a button pushing troll who only and solely wants to piss people off? His agenda is to belittle anyone and everyone and to pose as some sort of padre in a ten gallon hat while doing so. Ick, right? Gotta admit, Willy triggers me, so there's his zen-value here, but GAWD I wish I had better karma and a more significant challenger than this twit whose barbs are sometimes so goofyassed inane as to enlarge one's definition of how vile can a mind be. It's sobering to think that there's a ton of Willy's per square acre in America -- Willy shows us all that we've got to have something better than logic and words and good hearts to eradicate the mass murdering for fun and profit dynamic in American consciousness. Maybe folks like Willy are plainly telling us what we need to do when words and common sense fail: they're in favor of waterboarding, so maybe that's our cue, ya see -- they're telling us that they're so fucked up that only a sledgehammer technique can get them to attend to their brokenness and address their need for triage. How many simulated drownings do we think it would take to get Willy to say, Geeze, maybe I should rethink my stance on torture? I'd say he'd only last one second given his cowardly ways here. Tell us, Willy, have you ever even once in your life been brave? If not, vote for me! That'd be a great start on your path to personal courage! And, hey, talk about your win/wins, voting for me would be a major troll triumph, cuz, if you vote for me, I think everyone here would have to sit up and do a doubletake, and that's what ya lives for Willy, see? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Come on folks, let's encourage the trolls... Who are you calling a 'troll'? You need to get some smarts and stop all this unnecessary flaming, and taking up band-space for no good reason. The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Read more: Subject: Troll FAQ From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 21 2005 http://tinyurl.com/4xtzej Good point, Willytex. Labeling anyone a troll who doesn't agree with your point of view just weakens the definition of troll. Pushing buttons to intentionally piss people off is trollish behavior. Folks may disagree with you, Willytex, for your rightwing perspective, but it is no reason to call you a troll. Folks can freely argue their lefty ideas with you or criticize TM and you should be free to engage in them in a discussion of ideas with out being slandered. I disagree with Edg. You are not a troll but since I have come forward as his campaign manager, I hope you will vote for Edg to stay on FFLife. Just think of it as extending a gesture of the good will to uplift the quality of life on FFLife.
[FairfieldLife] For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
http://climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to-Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has-been-cooling-for-ten-years Scientists Write Open Letter to Congress: 'You Are Being Deceived About Global Warming' -- 'Earth has been cooling for ten years' 'Present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them' Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - By Marc Morano Climate Depot Below is a reprint of a July 1, 2009 letter to Congress by a team of atmospheric scientists. OPEN LETTER TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES: YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING You have recently received an Open Letter from the Woods Hole Research Center, exhorting you to act quickly to avoid global disaster. The letter purports to be from independent scientists, but that Center is the former den of the President's science advisor, John Holdren, and is far from independent. This is the same science advisor who has given us predictions of almost certain thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time. The facts are: The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for ten years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them. The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST. The proposed legislation would cripple the US economy, putting us at a disadvantage compared to our competitors. For such drastic action, it is only prudent to demand genuine proof that it is needed, not guesswork, and not false claims about the state of the science. DEMAND PROOF, NOT CONSENSUS Finally, climate alarmism pays well. Many alarmists are profiting from their activism. There are billions of dollars floating around for the taking, and being taken. Robert H. Austin Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS American Association of Arts and Science Member National Academy of Sciences William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS Member National Academy of Sciences S. Fred Singer Professor of Environmental Sciences Emeritus, University of Virginia First Director of the National Weather Satellite Service Fellow APS, AAAS, AGU Roger W. Cohen Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired) Fellow APS Harold W. Lewis Professor of Physics Emeritus University of California at Santa Barbara Fellow APS, AAAS; Chairman, APS Reactor Safety Study Laurence I. Gould Professor of Physics University of Hartford Chairman (2004), New England Section of APS Richard Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology Massachusetts Institute of Technology Fellow American Academy of Arts and Sciences, AGU, AAAS, and AMS Member Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters Member National Academy of Sciences
[FairfieldLife] The tide is shifting on the global warming debate (finally!)
The Climate Change Climate Change The number of skeptics is swelling everywhere. By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL Steve Fielding recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation. If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country's carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming. Associated Press Steve Fielding .Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as deniers. The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S. In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program. The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak frankly of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming the worst scientific scandal in history. Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the new religion. A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.) The collapse of the consensus has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon. Credit for Australia's own era of renewed enlightenment goes to Dr. Ian Plimer, a well-known Australian geologist. Earlier this year he published Heaven and Earth, a damning critique of the evidence underpinning man-made global warming. The book is already in its fifth printing. So compelling is it that Paul Sheehan, a noted Australian columnist -- and ardent global warming believer -- in April humbly pronounced it an evidence-based attack on conformity and orthodoxy, including my own, and a reminder to respect informed dissent and beware of ideology subverting evidence. Australian polls have shown a sharp uptick in public skepticism; the press is back to questioning scientific dogma; blogs are having a field day. The rise in skepticism also came as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, elected like Mr. Obama on promises to combat global warming, was attempting his own emissions-reduction scheme. His administration was forced to delay the implementation of the program until at least 2011, just to get the legislation through Australia's House. The Senate was not so easily swayed. Mr. Fielding, a crucial vote on the bill, was so alarmed by the renewed science debate that he made a fact-finding trip to the U.S., attending the Heartland Institute's annual conference for climate skeptics. He also visited with Joseph Aldy, Mr. Obama's special assistant on energy and the environment, where he challenged the Obama team to address his doubts. They apparently didn't. This week Mr. Fielding issued a statement: He would not be voting for the bill. He would not risk job losses on unconvincing green science. The bill is set to founder as the Australian parliament breaks for the
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 3
Duveyoung wrote: It was a fucking lie pure and simple, and he knew it... So, you stuck around the TMO for 25 more years, lying through your teeth, and you knew it. If you told the lie about reaching CC in 5-7 years over and over again, to anyone who would listen, who would believe a thing you have to say now? What happened to all the money?
[FairfieldLife] Trolls
Trolls Of all the trolls wot I like best My vote's for me, and not in jest. For with conviction it was done It also brought a lot of fun. The purpose was however deep To see how many were asleep; I did however find a few Awake and with it, not like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
Duveyoung wrote: ...mass murdering for fun and profit dynamic in American consciousness. If you don't like fighting, don't fight. If you don't like living in a country that fights wars, then get out and vote. If you don't like the way the election turned out, then get out of the country. You're probably not going to change anyone by posting mindless pap on the internet. You're much better at debating how long it takes to reach 'cosmic consciousness'. :-) President Barack Obama originally sought $83.4 billion for the two wars and more foreign aid for countries like Pakistan... Full story: 'U.S. war funding bill...' Reuters, June 8, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/nyv5vy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls
Dick wrote: Trolls Dick - DNFTT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years [1 Attachment]
Do you know how to read a graph? Source: NASA On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: http://climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to- Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has- been-cooling-for-ten-years Scientists Write Open Letter to Congress: 'You Are Being Deceived About Global Warming' -- 'Earth has been cooling for ten years' 'Present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them' Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - By Marc Morano – Climate Depot Below is a reprint of a July 1, 2009 letter to Congress by a team of atmospheric scientists. OPEN LETTER TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES: YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING You have recently received an Open Letter from the Woods Hole Research Center, exhorting you to act quickly to avoid global disaster. The letter purports to be from independent scientists, but that Center is the former den of the President's science advisor, John Holdren, and is far from independent. This is the same science advisor who has given us predictions of almost certain thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time. The facts are: The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for ten years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them. The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST. The proposed legislation would cripple the US economy, putting us at a disadvantage compared to our competitors. For such drastic action, it is only prudent to demand genuine proof that it is needed, not guesswork, and not false claims about the state of the science. DEMAND PROOF, NOT CONSENSUS Finally, climate alarmism pays well. Many alarmists are profiting from their activism. There are billions of dollars floating around for the taking, and being taken. Robert H. Austin Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS American Association of Arts and Science Member National Academy of Sciences William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS Member National Academy of Sciences S. Fred Singer Professor of Environmental Sciences Emeritus, University of Virginia First Director of the National Weather Satellite Service Fellow APS, AAAS, AGU Roger W. Cohen Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired) Fellow APS Harold W. Lewis Professor of Physics Emeritus University of California at Santa Barbara Fellow APS, AAAS; Chairman, APS Reactor Safety Study Laurence I. Gould Professor of Physics University of Hartford Chairman (2004), New England Section of APS Richard Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology Massachusetts Institute of Technology Fellow American Academy of Arts and Sciences, AGU, AAAS, and AMS Member Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters Member National Academy of Sciences To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
More desperate crap from Marc Morano. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: http://climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to-Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has-been-cooling-for-ten-years Scientists Write Open Letter to Congress: 'You Are Being Deceived About Global Warming' -- 'Earth has been cooling for ten years' 'Present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them' Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - By Marc Morano Climate Depot Below is a reprint of a July 1, 2009 letter to Congress by a team of atmospheric scientists. OPEN LETTER TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES: YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING You have recently received an Open Letter from the Woods Hole Research Center, exhorting you to act quickly to avoid global disaster. The letter purports to be from independent scientists, but that Center is the former den of the President's science advisor, John Holdren, and is far from independent. This is the same science advisor who has given us predictions of almost certain thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time. The facts are: The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for ten years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them. The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST. The proposed legislation would cripple the US economy, putting us at a disadvantage compared to our competitors. For such drastic action, it is only prudent to demand genuine proof that it is needed, not guesswork, and not false claims about the state of the science. DEMAND PROOF, NOT CONSENSUS Finally, climate alarmism pays well. Many alarmists are profiting from their activism. There are billions of dollars floating around for the taking, and being taken. Robert H. Austin Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS American Association of Arts and Science Member National Academy of Sciences William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS Member National Academy of Sciences S. Fred Singer Professor of Environmental Sciences Emeritus, University of Virginia First Director of the National Weather Satellite Service Fellow APS, AAAS, AGU Roger W. Cohen Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired) Fellow APS Harold W. Lewis Professor of Physics Emeritus University of California at Santa Barbara Fellow APS, AAAS; Chairman, APS Reactor Safety Study Laurence I. Gould Professor of Physics University of Hartford Chairman (2004), New England Section of APS Richard Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology Massachusetts Institute of Technology Fellow American Academy of Arts and Sciences, AGU, AAAS, and AMS Member Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters Member National Academy of Sciences
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls
Well sir, not all definitions of a troll fit with that one, and who defines anyway. On the four hundred or so groups that I have been on since the advent of these things about twelve or so years ago then the vast majority used it to mean somebody who goes on many groups. I too would be inclined to use it for that meaning and not the DNFTT scum-bags meaning. But the real good gad-about troll does so for an agenda which is not on public view nor mentioned as a rule as to why they do it. Merlin of Exmoor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Dick wrote: Trolls Dick - DNFTT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pre-voting for your favorite trolls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Raunchy, Does ya really think Willy isn't a button pushing troll who only and solely wants to piss people off? His agenda is to belittle anyone and everyone and to pose as some sort of padre in a ten gallon hat while doing so. Ick, right? Gotta admit, Willy triggers me, so there's his zen-value here, but GAWD I wish I had better karma and a more significant challenger than this twit whose barbs are sometimes so goofyassed inane as to enlarge one's definition of how vile can a mind be. It's sobering to think that there's a ton of Willy's per square acre in America -- Willy shows us all that we've got to have something better than logic and words and good hearts to eradicate the mass murdering for fun and profit dynamic in American consciousness. Maybe folks like Willy are plainly telling us what we need to do when words and common sense fail: they're in favor of waterboarding, so maybe that's our cue, ya see -- they're telling us that they're so fucked up that only a sledgehammer technique can get them to attend to their brokenness and address their need for triage. How many simulated drownings do we think it would take to get Willy to say, Geeze, maybe I should rethink my stance on torture? I'd say he'd only last one second given his cowardly ways here. Tell us, Willy, have you ever even once in your life been brave? If not, vote for me! That'd be a great start on your path to personal courage! And, hey, talk about your win/wins, voting for me would be a major troll triumph, cuz, if you vote for me, I think everyone here would have to sit up and do a doubletake, and that's what ya lives for Willy, see? Edg Edg, The difference between Willytex and Barry is that Willytex believes what he writes. You can disagree with his ideas and make your case but you can't fault his sincerity as wrong as you think he is. Barry doesn't believe anything he writes, he has even said as much. Barry is simply an amoral button pusher which fits the very definition of a troll. They both set you off royally but do recognize the distinction. Willytex expresses his rightwing ideas from a place of honor and I think he is wrong for a lot of reasons I can argue and so can you. Barry, is dishonorable AND wrong. There is no point in arguing with him except to call him out for trollish behavior. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Come on folks, let's encourage the trolls... Who are you calling a 'troll'? You need to get some smarts and stop all this unnecessary flaming, and taking up band-space for no good reason. The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Read more: Subject: Troll FAQ From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 21 2005 http://tinyurl.com/4xtzej Good point, Willytex. Labeling anyone a troll who doesn't agree with your point of view just weakens the definition of troll. Pushing buttons to intentionally piss people off is trollish behavior. Folks may disagree with you, Willytex, for your rightwing perspective, but it is no reason to call you a troll. Folks can freely argue their lefty ideas with you or criticize TM and you should be free to engage in them in a discussion of ideas with out being slandered. I disagree with Edg. You are not a troll but since I have come forward as his campaign manager, I hope you will vote for Edg to stay on FFLife. Just think of it as extending a gesture of the good will to uplift the quality of life on FFLife.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dick.richard...@... dick.richard...@... wrote: Trolls Of all the trolls wot I like best My vote's for me, and not in jest. For with conviction it was done It also brought a lot of fun. The purpose was however deep To see how many were asleep; I did however find a few Awake and with it, not like you. Nice rhythm! :D
[FairfieldLife] FFL and the Contradictions of Relativism
Some posters here are so unconsciously absorbed in their relativism that they don't even notice it. Others celebrate it as if it was a triumph. Yep, it's a Triumph des Willens, and quite comical to watch - a sort of burleque show. Isn't this is why *humorous and hubris* go together so well? *** Relativism sets out to reduce every element of absoluteness to a relativity, while making a quite illogical exception in favor of this reduction itself. In effect, relativism consists in declaring it to be true that there is no such thing as truth, or in declaring it to be absolutely true that nothing but the relatively true exists; one might just as well say that language does not exist, or write that there is no such thing as writing. In short, every idea is reduced to a relativity of some sort, whether psychological, historical, or social; but the assertion nullifies itself by the fact that it too presents itself as a psychological, historical, or social relativity. The assertion nullifies itself if it is true, and by nullifying itself logically proves thereby that it is false; its initial absurdity lies in the implicit claim to be unique in escaping, as if by enchantment, from a relativity that is declared alone to be possible. (from Logic and Transcendence) Relativism, even when it makes a show of admitting the interventions of an absolute in the relative, gives them such a quantitative air as to take away precisely their asoluteness; it seeks to destroy either the idea of truth, or that of intelligence, or both at once. To lend a relative character to what functionally stands for the absolute is to attribute absoluteness to the relative; to claim that knowledge as such can only be relative amounts to saying that human ignorance is absolute; to throw doubt on certitude is, logically, to avow that one knows absolutely nothing (from Stations of Wisdom)
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris, the Reason Project
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, the Reason Project
---try http://www.ncane.com/ww In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.ncane.ww
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Do you know how to read a graph? Source: NASA On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: http://climatedepot.com/a/1745/Scientists-Write-Open-Letter-to- Congress-You-Are-Being-Deceived-About-Global-Warming--Earth-has- been-cooling-for-ten-years Scientists Write Open Letter to Congress: 'You Are Being Deceived About Global Warming' -- 'Earth has been cooling for ten years' 'Present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them' Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - By Marc Morano Climate Depot Below is a reprint of a July 1, 2009 letter to Congress by a team of atmospheric scientists. OPEN LETTER TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES: YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING You have recently received an Open Letter from the Woods Hole Research Center, exhorting you to act quickly to avoid global disaster. The letter purports to be from independent scientists, but that Center is the former den of the President's science advisor, John Holdren, and is far from independent. This is the same science advisor who has given us predictions of almost certain thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time. The facts are: The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for ten years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them. The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST. The proposed legislation would cripple the US economy, putting us at a disadvantage compared to our competitors. For such drastic action, it is only prudent to demand genuine proof that it is needed, not guesswork, and not false claims about the state of the science. DEMAND PROOF, NOT CONSENSUS Finally, climate alarmism pays well. Many alarmists are profiting from their activism. There are billions of dollars floating around for the taking, and being taken. Robert H. Austin Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS American Association of Arts and Science Member National Academy of Sciences William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University Fellow APS, AAAS Member National Academy of Sciences S. Fred Singer Professor of Environmental Sciences Emeritus, University of Virginia First Director of the National Weather Satellite Service Fellow APS, AAAS, AGU Roger W. Cohen Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired) Fellow APS Harold W. Lewis Professor of Physics Emeritus University of California at Santa Barbara Fellow APS, AAAS; Chairman, APS Reactor Safety Study Laurence I. Gould Professor of Physics University of Hartford Chairman (2004), New England Section of APS Richard Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology Massachusetts Institute of Technology Fellow American Academy of Arts and Sciences, AGU, AAAS, and AMS Member Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters Member National Academy of Sciences To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Ideals and Realities.
Ideals and Realities. Ideals and Realities. (Whilst in the process of starting to save old files, books and photographs to an online safety storage I came across this one from about 2005 or 06 which stated things well enough and succinctly, so I thought I would post it one more time) .. I cannot speak for others with the conviction with which I can speak for myself needless to say; but I do not find myself living on a physical world (predominantly human society that is) which is an incarnate reflection and manifestation of the love, wisdom, beauty, and essential quality of BEING, which I found in the transcendent aspect of my being in what I call the Ground of Being truly the best name for it or the Paradise of the Womb of Eternity from whence Cognition arises. In so finding I have to live on the world which I find here, but without the possibility to forget the other reality. For one is connected to both the whole time. But because this world as not what it could be if that inner reality was manifest in all human beings then my goal, desire, ideal, would be for that to happen. It is not an ideology such as the word is used for in politics and sociology but simply an ideal, a deep desire for something which I know could exist here but does not as yet. Truly is there a conviction and a passion to make it so, but that is not within the realms of my potentials other than in the way I try to live it personally in my own life and even that is difficult for 90% of the time. If I found this world to be perfectly in accordance with my ideal then I would not have an ideal for it would be fulfilled but it is not fulfilled, and the world is the way the world is - - hence ideals and extant realities. The mystic who does not keep his or her feet on the ground on THIS earthly reality and daily life is not a fully fledged mystic but simply half baked. If all this stuff which is learned, known and understood in transcendence is not all brought back to earth again then it is pointless in coming to know it by experience. But, like it or not, the experience of it works. This is why I often ask those who seek these things and try to invoke them as to what they would DO with it if they had it - - for there is no point in knowing it if one does nothing with it here and now. What is the point of a meal if it is not digested and thence does what it does? It is all very well to say that one need not do anything with it or about it but words are easy and life itself is not that easy you cannot KNOW it and then just sit on it for it has effects and one lives those effects. Nothing is for nothing. However, but when it comes to simply talking about it (the real walk has to be walked not talked - by living it) then one of the big things which so many seem to miss when hearing about these things or reading about them is that of THE TWO REALTIES they are different and this world and daily conscious life is nothing like that one; nor could it be. Thus, when people try to understand things of the spiritual or metaphysical aspect of being by way of the concepts of this incarnate temporal daily existence then such analogies by way of words do not measure up to the task or fit the bill. A simple case which is in current topic of discussion for example is that of Freedom of choice (free will as society loves to call it) and Peace. In all truth it is not really possible to find REAL PEACE on earth it would be utterly impossible. And anyone who says differently does not know what they are talking about. Moreover, one is not looking for peace on earth one is looking to bring the essence and reality of the quality of BEING found in our ground being back here to earth but that does not mean peace, it means essential quality of being and existence. In that transcendent realm there is no such thing as freedom of choice there is no freedom there one cannot do anything there, one cannot even think; for it takes moving time and change to be able to think and that place, realm, condition of being does not change, nothing alters. One just knows and understands things. So these two realities could never be the same. That is not what the unification of Paradise and Earth is about. Its is about those two different realities (and the middle bit of our trimorphic being) all existing on earth all at the same instant the Consummatum Incarnate. Keep in mind the very important FACT that in transcendence we can know NOTHING of this world this world is not needed there, nor is time and change. But, on this world we can know this world AND the other reality at the same time. Do you get it? Do you really get it? So which needs what and why? It is this earth, this incarnate life, and the daily mind of Man, to KNOW that reality whilst here in this one. For without that happening then all three could not come together in one creation Paradise Incarnate - the Ultimate
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Do you know how to read a graph? Do you know how to read an x-axis? What was in question was 'cooling for the last ten years'. To which you supply GISS covering 1880 onwards. Where's your graph for the last 10 years? * Do you think there has been any warming in that time? Where's your evidence? * Have the IPCC predictions been confirmed or falsified in that period? * Do you thing the climate of the last decade was successfully predicted by climate modelling? I am pleased to say I can point you towards some very desirable items that are for sale (mugs, coasters, mouse mats etc). These are printed with a handy graph comparing projections to data 2001-2008. The data includes your beloved GISS (green line)) eg. Large Pet Bowl from http://www.cafepress.com/luciablackboard http://www.cafepress.com/luciablackboard If you squint you can see some lines going down. That's global temperature data. The red lines going up - that's what was predicted by the IPCC. The detail on the graphs is better shown here: http://tinyurl.com/ludktt http://tinyurl.com/ludktt Enjoy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dick.richard...@... dick.richard...@... wrote: Trolls Of all the trolls wot I like best My vote's for me, and not in jest. For with conviction it was done It also brought a lot of fun. The purpose was however deep To see how many were asleep; I did however find a few Awake and with it, not like you. And on the final judgement day, When the sun is boxed up, and the stars put away, The Akashic Records shall be unfurled then, Enscribed in Eternity, in finely scrolled pen. And thereupon all souls work that was sealed, Now the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, all revealed, But, wait ! ... what's that scrawled between the eternal lines? Its was Richard trolling the Records with his sneaky ryhmes ! OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal Well, for my part... One of the things that I guess interests most people is *why do we believe in stuff*? And *why do we get to believe in it so vehemently*? For example we have folks here who have been TBs and now see the light (but now in some cases are just as blinkered as they were previously as to why others can't NOT see the light after their Damascene conversion out of TB). I think we Schemp types feel that this phenomenon of TB is manifesting in the global warming/climate change hysteria (as we would describe it). And it's darn fascinating IMO. For my part I am prepared to believe there *might* be something in the global warming conjecture. Though I think I would bet against it. But that's not the point really. What gets my attention is the crushing certainty and blinkered mind-set of the AGW TBs!
[FairfieldLife] Threats of afterlife hell (was: Re: Post Count)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley And that is why the meditating citizens of Fairfield very soon could find themselves without a MIU, MUM or a Capital. Did it never occur to you that MUM could relocate to wherever they want on this Planet within months and let the spiritual vampires of Fairfield IOWA rot in their own arrogance ? Moving the community, somewhere else, would accomplish nothing... Of course, not. It would be a colossal waste of time and money that would serve no practical purpose. Time and money ? Deep within, do you really think the TMO cares about this. Since you are a simple and brute killer of animals I do not expect much from you; you simply do not have a clue. Me thinks those who inherited the Movement are getting fed up with Fairfield, big time. Leaving Fairfield would not be a revenge as you minionly suggests but the only sensible thing to do given what is going on there. And the alternatives are wonderful. In my honest opinion; also in terms of your beloved time and money perspective; Fairfield, IOWA is out of the picture already. India is the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal Well, for my part... One of the things that I guess interests most people is *why do we believe in stuff*? And *why do we get to believe in it so vehemently*? For example we have folks here who have been TBs and now see the light (but now in some cases are just as blinkered as they were previously as to why others can't NOT see the light after their Damascene conversion out of TB). I think we Schemp types feel that this phenomenon of TB is manifesting in the global warming/climate change hysteria (as we would describe it). And it's darn fascinating IMO. For my part I am prepared to believe there *might* be something in the global warming conjecture. Though I think I would bet against it. But that's not the point really. What gets my attention is the crushing certainty and blinkered mind-set of the AGW TBs! You and Shemp are in a small minority.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls and off worlders
Well loath that I am to say it old chap but your meter was crap :- ) If you are gonna do rhyming verse it must not only apply to the nature of reality AS IS and be applicable to it, but it must rhyme and the meter must be consistent and not wander all over the shop, cock. Innit. However, if yee be a lover of FICTION then a few months ago I was asked to try doing a novel (not really my ball park) but I had a go and it seems to be going down well. If anyone wants to read it then you can do so freely, it is called The Darsinian Inheritance, and can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/ It is in part about off-worlders too :- )) Gnothi Seauton Sir Richard de Fluffy Tailed Merlin of Exmoor (NB, a Merlin is a bird of prey) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: And on the final judgement day, When the sun is boxed up, and the stars put away, The Akashic Records shall be unfurled then, Enscribed in Eternity, in finely scrolled pen. And thereupon all souls work that was sealed, Now the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, all revealed, But, wait ! ... what's that scrawled between the eternal lines? Its was Richard trolling the Records with his sneaky ryhmes ! OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dick.richardson@ dick.richardson@ wrote: Trolls Of all the trolls wot I like best My vote's for me, and not in jest. For with conviction it was done It also brought a lot of fun. The purpose was however deep To see how many were asleep; I did however find a few Awake and with it, not like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? I don't know why I give that impression, Sal. I long ago gave up any hope that people would agree with me on this or that I could change minds! If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? Virtually everyone that posts here on FFL are expressing a point of view. I express mine on GW. I'm not sure why you feel that this is a search for consensus and validation of my opinion more than any other person's posting. I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Global warming policy has, is, and will continue to kill people...all unnecessariy. My postings on this subject is a way for me to vent my frustration at the killing. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal Well, for my part... One of the things that I guess interests most people is *why do we believe in stuff*? And *why do we get to believe in it so vehemently*? For example we have folks here who have been TBs and now see the light (but now in some cases are just as blinkered as they were previously as to why others can't NOT see the light after their Damascene conversion out of TB). I think we Schemp types feel that this phenomenon of TB is manifesting in the global warming/climate change hysteria (as we would describe it). And it's darn fascinating IMO. For my part I am prepared to believe there *might* be something in the global warming conjecture. Though I think I would bet against it. But that's not the point really. What gets my attention is the crushing certainty and blinkered mind-set of the AGW TBs! You and Shemp are in a small minority. Thank you for that compliment. So was Da Vinci when he said the Earth was round. So was Einstein when he said that time was relative.
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[FairfieldLife] Threats of afterlife hell (was: Re: Post Count)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley And that is why the meditating citizens of Fairfield very soon could find themselves without a MIU, MUM or a Capital. Did it never occur to you that MUM could relocate to wherever they want on this Planet within months and let the spiritual vampires of Fairfield IOWA rot in their own arrogance ? Moving the community, somewhere else, would accomplish nothing... Of course, not. It would be a colossal waste of time and money that would serve no practical purpose. Time and money ? Deep within, do you really think the TMO cares about this. Since you are a simple and brute killer of animals I do not expect much from you; you simply do not have a clue. Me thinks those who inherited the Movement are getting fed up with Fairfield, big time. Leaving Fairfield would not be a revenge as you minionly suggests but the only sensible thing to do given what is going on there. And the alternatives are wonderful. In my honest opinion; also in terms of your beloved time and money perspective; Fairfield, IOWA is out of the picture already. India is the future. Let the spiritual wampires of Fairfield rot in their own negativity. Maharishi tried an experiment with the americans. If that does not work, even with huge help from Indian Pundits, the TMO will certainly take that experiment elsewhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal Well, for my part... One of the things that I guess interests most people is *why do we believe in stuff*? And *why do we get to believe in it so vehemently*? For example we have folks here who have been TBs and now see the light (but now in some cases are just as blinkered as they were previously as to why others can't NOT see the light after their Damascene conversion out of TB). I think we Schemp types feel that this phenomenon of TB is manifesting in the global warming/climate change hysteria (as we would describe it). And it's darn fascinating IMO. For my part I am prepared to believe there *might* be something in the global warming conjecture. Though I think I would bet against it. But that's not the point really. What gets my attention is the crushing certainty and blinkered mind-set of the AGW TBs! You and Shemp are in a small minority. Thank you for that compliment. So was Da Vinci when he said the Earth was round. So was Einstein when he said that time was relative. Shemp compares himself to Einstein and Da Vinci ?!? Good Lord... What a hoot!
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Sal Well, for my part... One of the things that I guess interests most people is *why do we believe in stuff*? And *why do we get to believe in it so vehemently*? For example we have folks here who have been TBs and now see the light (but now in some cases are just as blinkered as they were previously as to why others can't NOT see the light after their Damascene conversion out of TB). I think we Schemp types feel that this phenomenon of TB is manifesting in the global warming/climate change hysteria (as we would describe it). And it's darn fascinating IMO. OK, Richard, if that were happening I would agree it would be interesting. But as far as I can see the one who keeps bringing it up and hammering home his views over and over is shemp. Have I missed something? For my part I am prepared to believe there *might* be something in the global warming conjecture. Though I think I would bet against it. But that's not the point really. What gets my attention is the crushing certainty and blinkered mind-set of the AGW TBs! Sal
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for the excellent graph, Vaj. There's probably nothing better than this graph to demonstrate that there is zero connection between co2 emissions and global warming (note paticularly pre-1940). shemp, one thing I don't understand... OK, we all get that you don't think GW is a reality (or at least that's what you keep implying, ad nauseum). But why is it so important to you that others, particularly others here, agree with you? I don't know why I give that impression, Sal. Because you keep posting anti GW stuff and then challenging others to refute it. I long ago gave up any hope that people would agree with me on this or that I could change minds! So you're posting article after article for your own amusement? Okey, dokey... If you're secure in your own knowledge, and that's good enough for you, why do you constantly seem to need a group consensus and validation of your opinion? Virtually everyone that posts here on FFL are expressing a point of view. I express mine on GW. I'm not sure why you feel that this is a search for consensus and validation of my opinion more than any other person's posting. Because you keep bringing up the same points, over and over. And no, you're not the only one who does that but, FWIW, I find yours to be one of the more interesting cases. And you are one of the most persistent. I am really interested in knowing, because to me, at least, the constant attempts at validation and trying to prove others wrong are somewhat fascinating. Global warming policy has, is, and will continue to kill people...all unnecessariy. My postings on this subject is a way for me to vent my frustration at the killing. To each his or her own, but wouldn't trying to change actual policy in some concrete way be more productive and less frustrating? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: You and Shemp are in a small minority. Thank you for that compliment. So was Da Vinci when he said the Earth was round. So was Einstein when he said that time was relative. I thought he said his relatives were never on time... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: You and Shemp are in a small minority. Thank you for that compliment. So was Da Vinci when he said the Earth was round. So was Einstein when he said that time was relative. And when he said: Gott wuerfelt nix!?
[FairfieldLife] Threats of afterlife hell (was: Re: Post Count)
(snip) India is the future. Let the spiritual wampires of Fairfield rot in their own negativity. Maharishi tried an experiment with the americans. If that does not work, even with huge help from Indian Pundits, the TMO will certainly take that experiment elsewhere. With all due respect, moving from Fairfield, has been talked about, since they moved there, from California... They bought the campus, for a steal... The Americans have contributed many millions of dollars, through the years... As long, as they have the financial support there, nothing will change... BTW, who do you think is supporting the people in India? Could it be the 'Stupid Americans?'... r.g.
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[FairfieldLife] Threats of afterlife hell (was: Re: Post Count)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: (snip) India is the future. Let the spiritual wampires of Fairfield rot in their own negativity. Maharishi tried an experiment with the americans. If that does not work, even with huge help from Indian Pundits, the TMO will certainly take that experiment elsewhere. With all due respect, moving from Fairfield, has been talked about, since they moved there, from California... They bought the campus, for a steal... The Americans have contributed many millions of dollars, through the years... As long, as they have the financial support there, nothing will change... BTW, who do you think is supporting the people in India? Could it be the 'Stupid Americans?'... r.g. Americans are not stupid, I never said that, but they are certainly not supporting the people in India as you put it, thank you very much. The Swami Brahmananda Trust could obviously fund it.
[FairfieldLife] Threats of afterlife hell (was: Re: Post Count)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: India is the future. All along, MMY's long-term focus was on India. But, where do you think the TMO gets the money to do those projects in India? Let the spiritual wampires of Fairfield rot in their own negativity. Nabby, 80+ percent of the people who live in the FF/VC general area have never had any connection whatsoever to the TMO, and you're angry and insecure because a small number of roos stayed here but moved on from the whole TM trip? What a stupid, cultish, petty little twit you are! Maharishi tried an experiment with the americans. And, it's quite successful. MUM now has a much larger student body than it used to. Crappy old buildings on campus have been torn down. New MMY-SV buildings have been built. There's also Vedic City, an entire town built on MMY's principles. In the city of Fairfield, there's been much improvement to the downtown area under Mayor Ed Malloy. There's a very cool low-power community radio station. The first Friday of every month, the downtown area is swamped with people for Art Walk. The entire city is being wired with fiber optic to the home. A little ways north of campus, there's an eco-village that is completely off-the-grid. There's a recreational trails system throughout the FF area. There are coffee houses and a wide variety of restaurants. People with no connection to TM have actually moved here because it's such a great place to live. Have Norway's TMers come together to create anything even remotely as successful as FF/VC? Does Norway even have any pundits? I went to the maharishi.no website, and it prominently features content about the McCartney concert and David Lynch Foundation... stuff happening in AMERICA! LOL!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You and Shemp are in a small minority. Thank you for that compliment. So was Da Vinci when he said the Earth was round. So was Einstein when he said that time was relative. And when he said: Gott wuerfelt nix!? It's July 1, in Colorado, temps have been in the 90s and it just started raining with hail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg's vote for me to stay ploy, expressed as a kind of dance :-)
--\ Merci beaucoup for the orange colored day you gave to me such a gift I have not enjoyed myself so much and had such a good time in a while The verbal imagery and the imagery! Bones as crystal... I think,you vata you, have some magnesium and calcium for pete's sake! ...yes, for my sake-take them for me!exclaimed Pete. There was so much enjoyment I reveled there was seasoning in her brain, wasn't there, her spirit was not vanilla was it? It was tutti fruitti or heavily laden with saffron and dill and cilantro and basil and black sesame seeds. So much to mention... you hear it in the warmth in my eyes, right? a votre sante!(*lifts up glass of Merlot Alexandria*) I do like American Beauty, Blue. The trash swirling in the air something so insignificant(seemingly) so full of meaning so giving so metaphoric I try to remember his words to be more rightfully seeing and interpreting Life I want to be like him seeing beauty If that other guy would just have said, (that Italian silk couch moment) right -O dah-link,let's muss up the floor(*klunk*) they could have made and captured a moment and those other events may have not transpired. She still loved him,tragic. I do the love the Oh you are the King!scene in the hotel... gotta admit,don'tcha Bluey,some great smirks in there... whether or not ya agree with the subject matter. Thank you I had a lovely day. I hope yours had some magic in it as well. O ! And to top it off like a cherry on my dessert of a day, I clicked on that GIF D-OH! Hahahahahahhhahahahahaha! Ah,you rock. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: A perfect representation of what Edg's attempt to make his pathetic need for attention look less pathetic would look like, if expressed as gymnastics or dance. Warning: don't try this at home. [http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif] Note: I'm going to attempt to paste in the animated GIF above, but there is a good chance that it won't animate in your browser or email reader, so if it doesn't, go here...it's worth it: http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif [:)] \\\
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: [snip] To each his or her own, but wouldn't trying to change actual policy in some concrete way be more productive and less frustrating? Sal Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel so threatened by my postings on this subject? After all, you can just skim over the heading and ignore it. Are you a believer in GW, Sal?
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Mother tells bed time story to a smart little girl... Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC5hlGqCt0Q
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 27 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 04 00:00:00 2009 523 messages as of (UTC) Wed Jul 01 23:59:49 2009 49 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 43 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 39 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 38 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net 34 WillyTex no_re...@yahoogroups.com 32 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 31 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 30 authfriend jst...@panix.com 23 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 22 meowthirteen meowthirt...@yahoo.com 20 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 14 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 13 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 11 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com 9 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 7 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 6 ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 5 Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk 4 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 4 dick.richard...@ymail.com dick.richard...@ymail.com 4 BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com 3 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 2 yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com 2 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 2 guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 Nelson nelsonriddle2...@yahoo.com 2 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 1 wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com 1 sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 ruffedgrousepa ruffedgrous...@yahoo.com 1 pranamoocher bh...@hotmail.com 1 lesley mc coy meowthirt...@yahoo.com 1 lauren_lee_v lauren_le...@yahoo.com 1 ffl...@yahoo.com 1 dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 1 amarnath anatol_z...@yahoo.com 1 Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 1 Paul Mason premanandp...@yahoo.co.uk 1 Marek Reavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 1 John jr_...@yahoo.com 1 Joe Smith msilver1...@yahoo.com 1 It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com 1 min.pige min.p...@yahoo.com Posters: 48 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick Archer: The Earth has been cooling for 10 years
On Jul 1, 2009, at 6:59 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: [snip] To each his or her own, but wouldn't trying to change actual policy in some concrete way be more productive and less frustrating? Sal Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel so threatened by my postings on this subject? Don't feel threatened at all, shemp...just fascinated. After all, you can just skim over the heading and ignore it. Are you a believer in GW, Sal? Yep, believe that it's a reality. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trolls and off worlders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dick.richard...@... dick.richard...@... wrote: Well loath that I am to say it old chap but your meter was crap You just can't read. It takes skill to get it right. You just ain't got it pal. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] The Family on Fresh Air
Did anyone listen to Fresh Air today? The first interview talks about a Christian group that believes people in power have been granted their power by God, and hence those people need to be cultivated to use their power responsibly. It's been described as trickle-down fundamentalism. I mention it here because the belief parallels what we used to hear from Maharishi. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324 Fresh Air from WHYY, July 1, 2009 · In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by the secret Christian group known as The Family or The Fellowship. Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal, the right-wing fundamentalist religious group organizes prayer meetings for Congressmen, as well as the annual National Prayer Breakfast. The group also has an alleged connection to a house in Washington, D.C. known as C Street, which serves as a prayer house and residence for politicians like Governor Mark Sanford, Senator John Ensign and Senator Tom Coburn. A religion expert and a journalist, Sharlet is a contributing editor for Harper's and Rolling Stone. He is editor of The Revealer, a review of religion and the press.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg's vote for me to stay ploy, expressed as a kind of dance :-)
Thanks for this funny clip. A bit of a stretch for the tie in to Edg IMO, but funny nonetheless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: A perfect representation of what Edg's attempt to make his pathetic need for attention look less pathetic would look like, if expressed as gymnastics or dance. Warning: don't try this at home. [http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif] Note: I'm going to attempt to paste in the animated GIF above, but there is a good chance that it won't animate in your browser or email reader, so if it doesn't, go here...it's worth it: http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif http://imgur.com/x65L4.gif [:)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Family on Fresh Air
Regardless of whether you heard the program, you might enjoy reading a short excerpt from a book about The Family at the Fresh Air website: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324 We elect our leaders, he said. Jesus elects his. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: Did anyone listen to Fresh Air today? The first interview talks about a Christian group that believes people in power have been granted their power by God, and hence those people need to be cultivated to use their power responsibly. It's been described as trickle-down fundamentalism. I mention it here because the belief parallels what we used to hear from Maharishi. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324 Fresh Air from WHYY, July 1, 2009 · In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by the secret Christian group known as The Family or The Fellowship. Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal, the right-wing fundamentalist religious group organizes prayer meetings for Congressmen, as well as the annual National Prayer Breakfast. The group also has an alleged connection to a house in Washington, D.C. known as C Street, which serves as a prayer house and residence for politicians like Governor Mark Sanford, Senator John Ensign and Senator Tom Coburn. A religion expert and a journalist, Sharlet is a contributing editor for Harper's and Rolling Stone. He is editor of The Revealer, a review of religion and the press.
[FairfieldLife] Xanax update
So I finally gave in and tried the Xanax. The dosage is 0.5 mg and the pharmacist suggested I take it right before bed because until one knows the effects one shouldn't drive under its influence. So I've taken it three times: the first time about a week ago and then the night before last and then last night. Here are the two results I notice more than anything: 1) It let me sleep longer. I haven't had any problem falling asleep; I am always able to go to sleep about 10 minutes after closing my eyes and I usually go to bed at about 10pm. My problem had been waking up about 2:30 and tossing and turning. the Xanax gave me a few hours more. 2) Felt a lot of fatigue during the day...instead of the nervousness. I rack this up to the fatigue that has been accumulating.
[FairfieldLife] The Dick Richardson Rymin' challenge -------was///Trolls and off worlders
Ok Dick, Your on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , dick.richard...@... dick.richard...@... wrote: Well loath that I am to say it old chap but your meter was crap :- ) If you are gonna do rhyming verse it must not only apply to the nature of reality AS IS and be applicable to it, but it must rhyme and the meter must be consistent and not wander all over the shop, cock. Innit. However, if yee be a lover of FICTION then a few months ago I was asked to try doing a novel (not really my ball park) but I had a go and it seems to be going down well. If anyone wants to read it then you can do so freely, it is called The Darsinian Inheritance, and can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Darsinian-Inheritance/It is in part about off-worlders too :- )) Gnothi Seauton Sir Richard de Fluffy Tailed Merlin of Exmoor (NB, a Merlin is a bird of prey) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: And on the final judgement day, When the sun is boxed up, and the stars put away, The Akashic Records shall be unfurled then, Enscribed in Eternity, in finely scrolled pen. And thereupon all souls work that was sealed, Now the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, all revealed, But, wait ! ... what's that scrawled between the eternal lines? Its was Richard trolling the Records with his sneaky ryhmes ! OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , dick.richardson@ dick.richardson@ wrote: Trolls Of all the trolls wot I like best My vote's for me, and not in jest. For with conviction it was done It also brought a lot of fun. The purpose was however deep To see how many were asleep; I did however find a few Awake and with it, not like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dick Richardson Rymin' challenge -------was///Trolls and off worlders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ok Dick, Your on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA OffWorld Dick's pattern is to subscribe, make a post or two, and unsubscribe. Earlier today, he subscribed, made a few posts, dumped three files in the root directory of the files section, and then unsubscribed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Xanax update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: So I finally gave in and tried the Xanax. The dosage is 0.5 mg and the pharmacist suggested I take it right before bed because until one knows the effects one shouldn't drive under its influence. So I've taken it three times: the first time about a week ago and then the night before last and then last night. Here are the two results I notice more than anything: 1) It let me sleep longer. I haven't had any problem falling asleep; I am always able to go to sleep about 10 minutes after closing my eyes and I usually go to bed at about 10pm. My problem had been waking up about 2:30 and tossing and turning. the Xanax gave me a few hours more. 2) Felt a lot of fatigue during the day...instead of the nervousness. . And I rack this up to the fatigue that has been accumulating. no its the Xanax. And it is real addictive.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dick Richardson Rymin' challenge -------was///Trolls and off worlders
On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ok Dick, Your on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA OffWorld Dick's pattern is to subscribe, make a post or two, and unsubscribe. Earlier today, he subscribed, made a few posts, dumped three files in the root directory of the files section, and then unsubscribed. Hit and run? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FW: JULY 4th HISTORY LESSON
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[FairfieldLife] Helen Thomas Questions Obama's Transparency
Bush controlled questions at public forums by pre-selecting people. The left complained about Bush's lack of transparency. Obama promised transparency but instead of pre-selecting people he pre-selects questions from emails, Facebook and Twitter. Thank goodness we still have Helen to object. This story is only one example of Obama's lack of transparency. Additionally, his assertion of state secrets protecting Bush's war crimes, the release of torture photos, FISA and FOIA give every indication that Obama has zero interested in transparency. See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-fisher/obama-whither-transparenc_b_218962.html raunchydog At the White House presser on Wednesday, several correspondents questioned the way the Oval Office selected questions from the public for today's virtual town hall. President Barack Obama answered pre-selected questions Wednesday afternoon about health care sent in from emails, Facebook and Twitter. CBS' Chip Reid and columnist Helen Thomas thought this reflected a lack of transparency at the White House. It feels like the concept of a town hall, I think, is to have an open public forum. And this sounds like a very tightly controlled audience and list of questions. Why do it that way? asked Reid. White House press secretary Richard Gibbs deflected the question, but that only raised the ire of Helen Thomas, UPI's veteran correspondent who has long been at the top of the White House press corps totem pole. We have never had that in the White House, Thomas said, referring to the degree that press events are pre-scripted in the Obama administration. I'm amazed, I'm amazed at you people who called for openness and transparency That's when things got testy, and Gibbs looked very uncomfortable as Reid and Thomas took turns attacking his evasive answers. Calling reporters the night before, telling them they're going to be called on that's shocking, Thomas said, referring to an incident last week when Huffington Post blogger Nico Pitney was given advance warning that he would be called on to ask a question on behalf of the Iranian public. See C-Span video: http://tinyurl.com/nazst2 http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/01/helen-thomas-hits-white-house-for-lack-of-transparency/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dick Richardson Rymin' challenge -------was///Trolls and off worlders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ok Dick, Your on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7iXYbl1-tA OffWorld Dick's pattern is to subscribe, make a post or two, and unsubscribe. Earlier today, he subscribed, made a few posts, dumped three files in the root directory of the files section, and then unsubscribed. Didn't he, the last time he visited, imply he was drawing his last breaths? He even thanked some folks for well wishes. Crazy as a loon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Xanax update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: So I finally gave in and tried the Xanax. The dosage is 0.5 mg and the pharmacist suggested I take it right before bed because until one knows the effects one shouldn't drive under its influence. So I've taken it three times: the first time about a week ago and then the night before last and then last night. Here are the two results I notice more than anything: 1) It let me sleep longer. I haven't had any problem falling asleep; I am always able to go to sleep about 10 minutes after closing my eyes and I usually go to bed at about 10pm. My problem had been waking up about 2:30 and tossing and turning. the Xanax gave me a few hours more. 2) Felt a lot of fatigue during the day...instead of the nervousness. . And I rack this up to the fatigue that has been accumulating. no its the Xanax. And it is real addictive. *** I used to have that problem of waking between 2 and 4 AM -- it's a Pitta disturbance; Mapi's Deep Rest will let you sleep through: http://pages.citebite.com/p1q5k7i0y1bxk The reason you feel fatigued is because Xanax or similar drugs interfere with normal sleep patterns -- so you're unconscious, but you're not really sleeping with its restorative effects: Writing prescriptions for sleeping pills or tranquilizers is a reflex for doctors, but unfortunately it doesn't solve the problem. Rather, it produces rebound anxiety, rebound insomnia, and debilitating side effects. Worse, thousands, if not millions of Americans are addicted to these drugs. http://snipurl.com/ll5d8 [mapi_com]
