[FairfieldLife] Self importance via association with importance
I found very little posted on FFL yesterday worth replying to or getting involved with, and wondered why until I saw this video, passed along by Marek. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w What I'd recommend -- as an experiment in conscious- ness and how it can be influenced by association -- is to first open the link in another tab of your browser and let it play, but immediately switch back to this or another tab and DON'T watch it. Just listen to the song *as* a song, as music, without the visuals. Anything memorable about it? Do you hear *anything* in the song that would make you ever want to listen to it a second time? YMMV, but I did not. Now watch the video. Feel differently? IMO, this video presents a good case for why video destroyed the music scene. It's no longer *about* the music; it's about the gimmicky visuals you can put onscreen to *associate* with the music to *distract* viewers from the fact that it's crappy music. It's about trying to form associations in the listeners' minds with the visuals, such that they no longer notice that they're listening to crappy music. Now let's look at one of the the conversations that reincarnated itself on FFL yesterday, as it has so many times before. More endless debates about whether the Beatles ragged on Maharishi or not after Rishikesh, as if what the Beatles said or didn't say with regard to Maharishi has *anything whatsoever* to do with the people debating it, or their own importance on the planet. Clearly, some of these people think it *does*, and that if famous people either practice or practiced TM or thought well of Maharishi that *says something* -- about him, about TM, and about *them* as fellow practitioners of TM and thus somehow associated with the famous people. Harkening back to my own youth on the periphery of the music scene, I see this as a groupie phenomenon. If I stand next to the singer or the lead guitarist some of his charisma will 'rub off' on me and make me more important. Yeah, right. Does history remember a single groupie? Other than Cynthia Plastercaster, that is? :-) 42 years later, and TMers are still trying to warm their hands at *someone else's fire* instead of gener- ating their own heat. A 42-year-old Beatles song comes on the radio and for a moment they feel more self- important, as if that song makes *them* more important because they are interested in something that these four musicians were interested in for a short time in their youth. The groupie association with greatness is almost as good as being great myself mindset is IMO a Rube Goldberg machine constructed to *distract* from the fact that in many cases the groupie hasn't ever done anything memorable themselves. I'm more impressed that Curtis manages to support himself by making music -- and good music, at that...music that doesn't need any flash to sell it -- than I am by long-term TMers still trying to puff up their image by associating it with the image of famous people. But really, who can blame them? They are doing what their teacher did. One can make a strong case that the only reason TM ever became popular and that Maha- rishi ever became famous was because he did the same thing. He tied his somewhat feeble charisma quotient to the far greater charisma quotient of the Beatles and Donovan and the Beach Boys and others. He continued to do the same thing throughout his entire career, up to his dying days, trying to use David Lynch's fame to do CPR on a technique that hadn't been able to sell itself for years. Every so often I just wish that musicians would do a music video that was just a blank screen containing the words Listen and decide for yourself. Or just show a clip of them performing the song -- no flash, no babes shaking their tits, no Rube Goldberg distraction machines...just the music. Every so often I wish that those trying to sell a meditation technique as useful or beneficial would do so by saying, Here...try it. For free, or for cheap. If you like it, tell others. If not, that's OK. No flash, no Heather Graham shaking her tits, no attempt to leech off someone else's fame to generate buzz for a technique that *should* theoretically be able to generate its own if it's as cool as the people selling it claim it is. Heather Graham's tits -- as dazzling as they are -- are not going to make any female TMer's tits more attractive because Heather does TM. Paul McCartney's sagging man- boobs are not going to make any male TMer's pecs more beach-worthy. And no famous person who does TM is going to make either TM or anyone who practices TM more *anything*.
[FairfieldLife] TM and sensitivity?
During the intro lectures TM teacher said something like (paraphrasing) TM won't make you cool as cucumber. In fact, you might become more sensitive, but it won't affect your self anymore. As I've told before, I almost gave up learning TM when I heard that. (Or, that might have been during the group checking after initiation in which case the previous sentence should be modified accordingly, ;) During the past few years I've noticed an interesting increase in sensitivity. Namely, been occasionally using XZ hair oil (by Berner, F-land) since the end of 60's. Only a few years back noticed that applying that oil has a fairly strong soothing and relaxing effect, I guess a bit like shirodhara(sp?) in AV. Furthermore, I've always been emotionally more sensitive than most people I know, but lately have become almost painfully that. And several more sensitivities of body and mind... http://www.xz.fi/user_data/pix/uudet_tuotekuvat3/aito_oljyhoito.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: Not a direct answer, but maybe of interest to some. Much has been made in the TMO about King Tony being embodiment of silence, etc., etc., and that is why he does not speak in public (or at least speak very much). I have always laughed at the TMO-provided reasons. I was on TTC with King Tony and have also watched him over the years, before and since becoming King Tony. Based on my observations (to begin with, you can observe a lot on 4 months of TTC), there is a very simple reason whey King Tony is the embodiment of silence: He is extremely lacking in confidence in relation to public speaking, does not want to do it, resulting in him being a mediocre public speaker. This is a trait that will not disappear in his lifetime. Thanks for your insights. The guy is way after my time, so I never encountered him and he means nothing to me except as a source of amusement, but your take on him sounds right to me, just from the videos. But I *am* surprised that no one took me up on my question below. Surely there must be *something* on some TM website or on some video somewhere in which either Maharishi or the modern TMO states for the record what King Tony's actual duties and abilities ARE. Has NO ONE here ever heard or read such an official job description? That in itself would tell a story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: Not a direct answer, but maybe of interest to some. Much has been made in the TMO about King Tony being embodiment of silence, etc., etc., and that is why he does not speak in public (or at least speak very much). I have always laughed at the TMO-provided reasons. I was on TTC with King Tony and have also watched him over the years, before and since becoming King Tony. Based on my observations (to begin with, you can observe a lot on 4 months of TTC), there is a very simple reason whey King Tony is the embodiment of silence: He is extremely lacking in confidence in relation to public speaking, does not want to do it, resulting in him being a mediocre public speaker. This is a trait that will not disappear in his lifetime. SOA Oh, that seems sad and so human. Though he's certainly got other ways too. Obviously is not down and out neither. Like he could sit with people or could write, like on FFL. The other guys there are talkers plenty. Only just sitting listening he has the lot of power. His is the important place at the head table just nodding a condescending yea and nay. Blessing. Keeping people straight. I'm glad he's there in the middle. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck in FF PS I also think that this is not how he thought his life would play out and that he is not too happy about being a king. However, like many others at that level (Hagelin, Morris, Wallace, ...) they are prisoners in a faux gilded, highly-titled cage. Regardless of their personal preference, they simply have nowhere else to go. They have made their beds and they now have no alternative but to lie in them. They are all approaching 60, likely have no health benefits, absolutely not prospects of gainful employment. Even if they were independently wealthy, they simply do not have the cognitive/emotional capacity to extricate themselves from a lifetime of MMY teachings/propaganda/charm offensives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
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[FairfieldLife] For the iPad lovers among us, the dPad
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
From: mailto:vedamer...@yahoo.demerlin Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: To Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers wanted for Latin America Spanish / Portugese speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students Dear Friends, Our dear enlightened Raja Luis needs you for initiating about 2 million school kids and students in Latin America, if you speak Spanish or Portuguese. This is a great opportunity for you. Do you remember about 30 years ago, Maharishiji told us, that there will come a time when there will be so many initiations that the teachers will flee into the forests? This glorious time now has come for you. So please just fill out this form below and reply the mail to me at vedamer...@yahoo.de. Jai Guru Dev, Michael Merlin First name: Family name: Age: gender: Country: City: Email address: Telephone: Year you made TTC: Place: Languages you speak: How many months you can come: When you can come: Any questions: P.S. If you do not speak Spanish or Portuguese, then please help find someone by forwarding this mail to some meditating friends or TM teachers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
Thanks for the link. It used to be that I could forward messages. That option used to be right next to reply. Not sure why that option is not appearing anymore. Any suggestions? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me a link, give me a link, give me a link of that Kit Kat Bar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhQFEI-YMo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhQFEI-YMo http://www.youtube.com/user/ankhatonAn amazing strange miraculous thing happened with this video. - Read the text in it which ewplains. DIVINE MIRACLE ON THE CLIMATE JUST RIGHT BEFORE STOCKHLM CONFERENCE AND AFTER AL GORE REMARK LORD STERNS DECLARATION (United Nations Climate Comission) Just kidding. Give me a link to that youtube ankhaton Name: My Wife is so beautiful ! http://www.youtube.com/user/ankhaton http://www.youtube.com/user/ankhaton http://liberty.hypermart.net/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/04/29/death_\ made_in_america ? Ca montre des Bébés Afghan, Iraqien et des veterans apres qu'un parent ont touche 'DU' The dangers of nonduality?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Hi don't get upset (experimenting dude-wise:courtesy of advise and credit to (Jai)John Manning) n Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? About the position and the function of Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram (King Tony) and why he did not speak. It was explained (by Bevan ) that Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram was Leading from the field of Silence this is the Silent Administration - and this is Vedic leadership it was explained. always the most silent level is nourishing and governing. Total knowledge, pure knowledge is on the silent level -notes from the Global Family chat of Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 - reported by Dr. Peter Swan, Minister of Communication SILENCE SILENCE SILENCE Never occurred to anyone that the marriage of Tony Abu Ali Dan Nadar, anointed as the first ruler of the Global Country of world peace His Majesty Raja Nader Ram renamed in 2000 by the Maharishi, renamed Maharaja Dhiraaj Raja Ram could been a predesigned coup and arrangement just to make sure that HE will get used to be quiet and silent. So to make sure HE dares not to speak up. What a genius idea: In one stroke HE becomes mainstream and million followers without initiation silent husband has 5,880,000 (and/or 9.910.000 )search hits Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Thanks for the link. It used to be that I could forward messages. That option used to be right next to reply. Not sure why that option is not appearing anymore. It's apparently gone for good; spammers were using it: http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2010/02/03/forward-button-removed-from-yahoo-groups/ http://tinyurl.com/ybsokjs Any suggestions? Thanks. You have to copy-and-paste into a regular email. But according to Yahoo Groups rules, you're supposed to get the permission of everyone you're quoting before you do so. (See link above.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self importance via association with importance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I found very little posted on FFL yesterday worth replying to or getting involved with Thank goodness. It was so pleasant here yesterday for a change without Barry tossing his stinkbombs. FWIW, the endless debates Barry refers to consisted of 11 posts out of a total of 121. The thread was initiated by Joe, and most of the 11 posts were from TM critics. Now let's look at one of the the conversations that reincarnated itself on FFL yesterday, as it has so many times before. More endless debates about whether the Beatles ragged on Maharishi or not after Rishikesh, as if what the Beatles said or didn't say with regard to Maharishi has *anything whatsoever* to do with the people debating it, or their own importance on the planet. Of the posts from TMers, only three (all from Shemp) had to do with what the Beatles (specifically George) said about Maharishi, vs. what Magic Alex said. Those three posts are the sole basis for Barry's entire rant about TMers trying to puff up their image by associating it with the image of famous people. snip The groupie association with greatness is almost as good as being great myself mindset is IMO a Rube Goldberg machine constructed to *distract* from the fact that in many cases the groupie hasn't ever done anything memorable themselves. Barry, last Tuesday: Speaking as the only person here who seems to have actually *met* Nancy Cooke de Herrera and her son Rick Cooke, my impression when the song came out shortly after I met and interacted with them was that the Beatles just *nailed* it. She's had three books published. How many have you had published, Barry? Probably many more, since you're a professional writer, right? snicker 42 years later, and TMers are still trying to warm their hands at *someone else's fire* instead of gener- ating their own heat. A 42-year-old Beatles song comes on the radio and for a moment they feel more self- important, as if that song makes *them* more important because they are interested in something that these four musicians were interested in for a short time in their youth. Speaking for myself, when I hear a Beatles song, TM is about the last thing that comes to mind. The Beatles were a big part of my life well before they, and even longer before I, ever encountered TM. Given the importance of the Beatles entirely independently of their TM association, it's really hard to make a case that a TMer's appreciation of the Beatles has much of anything to do with the fact that they were once interested in TM. Barry's well-known propensity for puffing himself up via name-dropping makes this whole post yet another addition to his Master of Inadvertent Irony canon. Heather Graham's tits -- as dazzling as they are -- are not going to make any female TMer's tits more attractive because Heather does TM. Paul McCartney's sagging man- boobs are not going to make any male TMer's pecs more beach-worthy. And no famous person who does TM is going to make either TM or anyone who practices TM more *anything*. We're so fortunate that Barry has decided to favor us again today with his profound and scrupulously accurate observations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
Thank you for info about forwarding. BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating http://dhyanapeetam.org/web/default.aspx --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Thanks for the link. It used to be that I could forward messages. That option used to be right next to reply. Not sure why that option is not appearing anymore. It's apparently gone for good; spammers were using it: http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2010/02/03/forward-button-removed-from-yahoo-groups/ http://tinyurl.com/ybsokjs Any suggestions? Thanks. You have to copy-and-paste into a regular email. But according to Yahoo Groups rules, you're supposed to get the permission of everyone you're quoting before you do so. (See link above.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interview with Nancy Cooke de Herrera including the India TTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: All anyone has to do is read the relevant passage. Obviously you haven't read the book, so, I don't know why you're opening your pie hole about Rick Cooke and the tiger episode. What's up with that? Joe: You're really into pie holes today aren't you? Why do almost all of your posts start with RE: and begin and end on one line, Joe? What's up with that? What's up with that? I dunno Tex, it's just how I roll. Go figure. What the big fuss?What ajoke. Rick did /do not shoot tiger since - and when then only with his photo camera for National Geographic- About the character of his mother: Her so called biographic account Beyond Guru speaks for itself-Don't we all agree with that? Is the shooting(motivation+intention+excuse+explaination) fuss discussion because we are in the year of tiger? [:D] Keep cool.Take it easy! Take it as. Why this has not been settled before? Plenty of possibilities:See 23 January 1974 - 10 February 1975: Wood Tree (Wu Xing) Tiger 9 February 1986 - 28 January 1987: Fire (Wu Xing) Tiger 28 January 1998 - 15 February 1999: Earth (Wu Xing) Tiger 15 February 2010 - 2 February 2011: Metal (Wu Xing) Tiger Hope until 2.Feb. this discussion will be gone and the so calledmystery will be solved. More important seems to be aware of certain change in the movement IMO! BTW without intention to start a new war and with the hope this will end here: Sad to say, but Barry's description of her fits all insider movement reaction toward her. So don't shoot the messenger, please
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
The depth of the Indian philosophical systems make western philosophy seem like an ant hill! Curtis: David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion are the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the intrinsic contradiction... We are on the same path, Curtis! The 'intrinsic contradiction' espoused by David Hume has a direct counterpart in the Buddhist logician Nagarjuna, the founder of the 'Madhyamaka' school in India. Hume and Nagarjuna's logic is very impressive. Nagarjuna taught the idea of relativity; an object exists only in relation to other objects. Objects *do not* have an intrinsic nature; an object is possible only in relation to other objects. Which, in a nut shell, means that existence is devoid of of 'own being' - there is a dependent origination. The main tenet of this school can be summed up as: 'any proposition, when taken to it's extreme, will be found to be self-contradictory'. Ken Wilber agrees with this - he ascribes to Nagarjuna's hypothesis concerning the dialectic, outlined in a four-fold negation: Neither from itself nor from another, Nor from both, Nor without a cause, Does anything whatever, anywhere arise... - Madhyamaka-karika, 1:1. According to Ken Wilber, this can be termed a 'tetralemma', which follows this logical propositions: X (affirmation) non-X (negation) X and non-X (both) neither X nor non-X (neither). in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. We have seen explosive growth in every area of human knowledge that embraced this freedom. There is only one area of human knowledge left that has refused to have an honest discourse on whether the ideas make any sense. It is no surprise that this area, shielded from rational thought and objections to absurd assertions, produces people strapping bombs on their bodies to enter an imaginary afterlife. Agreed!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: During the intro lectures TM teacher said something like (paraphrasing) TM won't make you cool as cucumber. In fact, you might become more sensitive, but it won't affect your self anymore. As I've told before, I almost gave up learning TM when I heard that. (Or, that might have been during the group checking after initiation in which case the previous sentence should be modified accordingly, ;) During the past few years I've noticed an interesting increase in sensitivity. Namely, been occasionally using XZ hair oil (by Berner, F-land) since the end of 60's. Only a few years back noticed that applying that oil has a fairly strong soothing and relaxing effect, I guess a bit like shirodhara(sp?) in AV. Furthermore, I've always been emotionally more sensitive than most people I know, but lately have become almost painfully that. Which could be a very good thing indeed ! And several more sensitivities of body and mind... http://www.xz.fi/user_data/pix/uudet_tuotekuvat3/aito_oljyhoito.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: The depth of the Indian philosophical systems make western philosophy seem like an ant hill! Curtis: David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion are the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the intrinsic contradiction... We are on the same path, Curtis! I do believe this. The path to the grave spares no one. The 'intrinsic contradiction' espoused by David Hume has a direct counterpart in the Buddhist logician Nagarjuna, the founder of the 'Madhyamaka' school in India. Hume and Nagarjuna's logic is very impressive. Nagarjuna taught the idea of relativity; an object exists only in relation to other objects. Objects *do not* have an intrinsic nature; an object is possible only in relation to other objects. Which, in a nut shell, means that existence is devoid of of 'own being' - there is a dependent origination. This is more of an ontological question which is a more common focus of spiritual perspectives. My own development in this area is admittedly limited since I have less interest in it than epistemology. I would make as poor a physicist as I would priest since these questions just don't grip me the way the subject of our confidence in our cognitive processes does. But I am impressed with your ability to link the concepts between such seemingly different sources, so high five for that. The main tenet of this school can be summed up as: 'any proposition, when taken to it's extreme, will be found to be self-contradictory'. Ken Wilber agrees with this - he ascribes to Nagarjuna's hypothesis concerning the dialectic, outlined in a four-fold negation: Neither from itself nor from another, Nor from both, Nor without a cause, Does anything whatever, anywhere arise... - Madhyamaka-karika, 1:1. So how are you interpreting this? I subscribe to the primacy of existence itself. Creation just is and doesn't need to be explained as having been created by anything. It seems to me that this is a poetic way of saying we don't know much about how any of this got here. If I understand it, I really like it. According to Ken Wilber, this can be termed a 'tetralemma', which follows this logical propositions: X (affirmation) non-X (negation) X and non-X (both) neither X nor non-X (neither). I'm not sure, outside the lofty area of the origin of creation, where this is useful. It sort of ends up in an uninteresting place. (for me) It sounds like the kind of thing that would be vastly improved with a bong hit. in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. We have seen explosive growth in every area of human knowledge that embraced this freedom. There is only one area of human knowledge left that has refused to have an honest discourse on whether the ideas make any sense. It is no surprise that this area, shielded from rational thought and objections to absurd assertions, produces people strapping bombs on their bodies to enter an imaginary afterlife. Agreed! Cool. I think much of Hindu thought has bypassed Hume's contradiction by adding other unproven assertions about how everything really works out in the end. And if you are tripping over little hungry children, who can't be taken care of with the resources of your country on the way to work every day, I hardly blame them for creating something that buffers that harshness. We all have some version of this with or without religion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? snip Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. Sorry, not interested. I'd guess the closest thing would be some of MMY's pronouncements at the time he appointed Tony king or at Tony's coronation, but I'm not about to try to locate and plow through those.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati, Bhakti Yoga is the 'yoga of devotion'. Vaj: According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati, fingering little girls is where it's at. Apparently, it's just like fingering the goddess. After all, this is Texas! Yee ha! Jai Guru Dev! Has there been a trial? I don't thinks so, Vaj. You are extremely judgemental and apparently very prejudiced against some groups, based on their birth circumstances. Go figure. These kinds of flames don't further the conversation at all - in fact, they seem to be very feeble attempts just to get attention. Low esteem? It's kind of sad to see you doing this, since in the past, I was willing to give your messages some credence - but these days you're just being more juvenile than anything. It's understandable why you'd be flaming everyone, and it's understandable how some folks can be prejudiced and ignorant. And it's understandable why someone would spread lies in order to prove that their guru was better than others. But, why do you have to be a hypocrite? Everyone knows by now that one of your gurus was convicted of rape; another one died from riotous living after infecting students with AIDS, and your own Shankaracharya is on trial in India charged with murder.
[FairfieldLife] Dudes and Dudettes on FFL, relax with a Bhajan sung by a Saintly fellow: Enjoy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QrAG0tCo8
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interview with Nancy Cooke de Herrera including the India TTC
merudanda: Sad to say, but Barry's description of her fits all insider movement reaction toward her. So don't shoot the messenger, please... My point was that John Lennon was a liar, he told many lies about the Maharishi, about Nancy, and about her son Rick and about Mia Farrow. Lennon wrote the song 'Bungalow Bill' and 'Sexie Sadie' out of spite, prejudice, and outright ignorance. George and Cynthia both said John was full of it, and I agree. According to John Lennon, the Maharishi tried to rape Mia Farrow. This is a falsehood. It is a falsehood on the same level as claiming that, for a fact, the Maharishi murdered his own guru.
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati, Bhakti Yoga is the 'yoga of devotion'. Vaj: According to Swami Prakashananda Saraswati, fingering little girls is where it's at. Apparently, it's just like fingering the goddess. After all, this is Texas! Yee ha! Jai Guru Dev! Has there been a trial? I don't thinks so, Vaj. You are extremely judgemental and apparently very prejudiced against some groups, based on their birth circumstances. Go figure. These kinds of flames don't further the conversation at all - in fact, they seem to be very feeble attempts just to get attention. Low esteem? It's kind of sad to see you doing this, since in the past, I was willing to give your messages some credence - but these days you're just being more juvenile than anything. It's understandable why you'd be flaming everyone, and it's understandable how some folks can be prejudiced and ignorant. And it's understandable why someone would spread lies in order to prove that their guru was better than others. But, why do you have to be a hypocrite? Everyone knows by now that one of your gurus was convicted of rape; another one died from riotous living after infecting students with AIDS, and your own Shankaracharya is on trial in India charged with murder. The Vaj fellow, along with that p.mason charachter has two gurus; the first is called Dollars, the second is named Grandiosity or Self-Importance. The Turq only has one; the latter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? snip Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. Sorry, not interested. I'd guess the closest thing would be some of MMY's pronouncements at the time he appointed Tony king or at Tony's coronation, but I'm not about to try to locate and plow through those. Trying to locate it will not be successfull. Some words here and there perhaps but the core of the matter is a 100% private and confidential arrangement between His Holiness and Raja Raam.
[FairfieldLife] The Passing of a Saint
the passing of a saint ICON Gallery presents Richard Beymer's 70 minute documentary of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's celebratory 2008 funeral in Allahabad, India Type: Start Time: Friday, March 12, 2010 at 8:00pm End Time: Sunday, April 4, 2010 at 9:10pm Location: ICON Gallery Street: 58 N. Main St. City/Town: Fairfield, IA Description Richard Beymer's film 'The Passing of a Saint' is a joyous, uplifting film...a beautiful record of the event of Maharishi's Maha Samadhi... it captures those profound and sublime moments for all times. ~ David Lynch ALL PROCEEDS GO TO DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION TELEVISION (http://DLF.TV) The Passing of A Saint will be screening at ICON on the following dates: Friday, March 12 Saturday, March 13 Friday, March 19 Saturday, March 20 Friday, March 26 Saturday, March 27 Saturday, April 3 Sunday, April 4 Limited seating. Please arrive early and be seated by 8pm sharp! $10 Tickets available online ONLY http://icon-art.org http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/88773
[FairfieldLife] You don't have democracy in the US but it's poor cousin; multible choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Mldx3r2rQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Hey Shemp - Here's something we'll both like
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07friedman.html?emc=eta1
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Hey, do we yet know who the Missus is? The woman Tony Nader Ramarama Who-Ha married? And what her title is? And les deux enfants? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: After replying to Buck earlier about the different ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*. Hi don't get upset (experimenting dude-wise:courtesy of advise and credit to (Jai)John Manning) n Is there an official, TMO-certified description of who he is and what his duties are? About the position and the function of Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram (King Tony) and why he did not speak. It was explained (by Bevan ) that Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Ram was Leading from the field of Silence this is the Silent Administration - and this is Vedic leadership it was explained. always the most silent level is nourishing and governing. Total knowledge, pure knowledge is on the silent level -notes from the Global Family chat of Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 - reported by Dr. Peter Swan, Minister of Communication SILENCE SILENCE SILENCE Never occurred to anyone that the marriage of Tony Abu Ali Dan Nadar, anointed as the first ruler of the Global Country of world peace His Majesty Raja Nader Ram renamed in 2000 by the Maharishi, renamed Maharaja Dhiraaj Raja Ram could been a predesigned coup and arrangement just to make sure that HE will get used to be quiet and silent. So to make sure HE dares not to speak up. What a genius idea: In one stroke HE becomes mainstream and million followers without initiation silent husband has 5,880,000 (and/or 9.910.000 )search hits Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH(Barry speech/slang) to research. I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything like this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
Oh, Goody. Another War of the Religions spectacle coming our way. Time for the evangelical Latino community to come out of the woodwork and do their thing. Although largely Catholic, evangelicals hold a significant spot in the Latin American religious community and they will, of course, look not too kindly upon this encroachment upon their territory. Now, I don't know much about this latest TM mission in Latin America but as soon as I saw the numbers 2,000,000 I can only imagine that some unsuspecting Latin American politician or dictator (although there's not too many of those around these days in Latin America) decreed some sort of program in conjunction with a nutcase Rajah. If that's the case, the inevitable TM is a religion and subsequent websites, etc. will crop up putting the Kabash on the whole thing quite quickly. Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- and, more importantly, conducted itself -- as a secular organisation dispensing a non-denominational mental technique that could pass the smell test of we are not a religion (yes, even with the puja, this test can be passed). But the TMO has abandoned all that and gone the way of ships and shoes and ceiling wax and cabbages and KINGS. And you can't have your cult and eat it, too. Maharishi abandoned the secular route consciously and purposely. You can't go back now. Oh, I suppose you can if you make some really, really MAJOR changes but that would require doing away with the trappings that have become the focal point of the TMO now: kooky hats, kings, yagyas with pundits, flying, MAPI products coming out the ying-yang, facing East fanaticisms, etc. etc. And no one in the TMO is prepared for that. So sit back and enjoy the show. This Latin American folly will, sadly, go the way of the David Lynch Foundation's attempts to do anything in the public separation of church and state schools in America. Nada as they say in Spanish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote: From: mailto:vedamer...@...merlin Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: To Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers wanted for Latin America Spanish / Portugese speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students Dear Friends, Our dear enlightened Raja Luis needs you for initiating about 2 million school kids and students in Latin America, if you speak Spanish or Portuguese. This is a great opportunity for you. Do you remember about 30 years ago, Maharishiji told us, that there will come a time when there will be so many initiations that the teachers will flee into the forests? This glorious time now has come for you. So please just fill out this form below and reply the mail to me at vedamer...@... Jai Guru Dev, Michael Merlin First name: Family name: Age: gender: Country: City: Email address: Telephone: Year you made TTC: Place: Languages you speak: How many months you can come: When you can come: Any questions: P.S. If you do not speak Spanish or Portuguese, then please help find someone by forwarding this mail to some meditating friends or TM teachers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: During the intro lectures TM teacher said something like (paraphrasing) TM won't make you cool as cucumber. In fact, you might become more sensitive, but it won't affect your self anymore. As I've told before, I almost gave up learning TM when I heard that. (Or, that might have been during the group checking after initiation in which case the previous sentence should be modified accordingly, ;) During the past few years I've noticed an interesting increase in sensitivity. Namely, been occasionally using XZ hair oil (by Berner, F-land) since the end of 60's. Only a few years back noticed that applying that oil has a fairly strong soothing and relaxing effect, I guess a bit like shirodhara(sp?) in AV. Furthermore, I've always been emotionally more sensitive than most people I know, but lately have become almost painfully that. Which could be a very good thing indeed ! And several more sensitivities of body and mind... http://www.xz.fi/user_data/pix/uudet_tuotekuvat3/aito_oljyhoito.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Passing of a Saint
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Paradowski laks...@... wrote: the passing of a saint ICON Gallery presents Richard Beymer's 70 minute documentary of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's celebratory 2008 funeral in Allahabad, India Type: Start Time: Friday, March 12, 2010 at 8:00pm End Time: Sunday, April 4, 2010 at 9:10pm Location: ICON Gallery Street: 58 N. Main St. City/Town: Fairfield, IA Description Richard Beymer's film 'The Passing of a Saint' is a joyous, uplifting film...a beautiful record of the event of Maharishi's Maha Samadhi... it captures those profound and sublime moments for all times. ~ David Lynch ALL PROCEEDS GO TO DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION TELEVISION (http://DLF.TV) The Passing of A Saint will be screening at ICON on the following dates: Friday, March 12 Saturday, March 13 Friday, March 19 Saturday, March 20 Friday, March 26 Saturday, March 27 Saturday, April 3 Sunday, April 4 Limited seating. Please arrive early and be seated by 8pm sharp! $10 Tickets available online ONLY http://icon-art.org http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/88773 That's certainly very interesting, looking forward to see it ! Richard Beymer on the direction style of David Lynch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-mDAlfpUA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- snip Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are fulfilling that promise. Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back.
[FairfieldLife] Tiger incident corrected
You've all got it wrong. First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it was a shaft of iron. And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who attacked the Tiger but this woman: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: All anyone has to do is read the relevant passage. Obviously you haven't read the book, so, I don't know why you're opening your pie hole about Rick Cooke and the tiger episode. What's up with that? Joe: You're really into pie holes today aren't you? Why do almost all of your posts start with RE: and begin and end on one line, Joe? What's up with that? What's up with that? I dunno Tex, it's just how I roll. Go figure. What the big fuss?What ajoke. Rick did /do not shoot tiger since - and when then only with his photo camera for National Geographic- About the character of his mother: Her so called biographic account Beyond Guru speaks for itself-Don't we all agree with that? Is the shooting(motivation+intention+excuse+explaination) fuss discussion because we are in the year of tiger? [:D] Keep cool.Take it easy! Take it as. Why this has not been settled before? Plenty of possibilities:See 23 January 1974 - 10 February 1975: Wood Tree (Wu Xing) Tiger 9 February 1986 - 28 January 1987: Fire (Wu Xing) Tiger 28 January 1998 - 15 February 1999: Earth (Wu Xing) Tiger 15 February 2010 - 2 February 2011: Metal (Wu Xing) Tiger Hope until 2.Feb. this discussion will be gone and the so calledmystery will be solved. More important seems to be aware of certain change in the movement IMO! BTW without intention to start a new war and with the hope this will end here: Sad to say, but Barry's description of her fits all insider movement reaction toward her. So don't shoot the messenger, please
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? ...and I don't know if anyone else noticed this on his damage control video statement but he did have the biggest smile on his face. Half the cat that ate the canary smile and half ooh, that felt good smile (with just a touch of it's nice to be Da King thrown in for good measure). I don't know anything about this guy or his movement but if he's NOT supposed to be a celibate then, hey, he should have a good time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Shemp - Here's something we'll both like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07friedman.html?emc=eta1 Wonderful and inspiring. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. My favorite line from the article: If this works, said Khosla, coal-fired power would become more than 100 percent clean. Not only would it not emit any CO2, but by producing clean water and cement as a byproduct it would also be taking all of the CO2 that goes into making those products out of the atmosphere. Now, as you know, I don't buy into any of the CO2 hooey. Indeed, I even feel that putting CO2 into the atmosphere has some good effects. But if someone comes up with something like this then who can complain? I suspect that the same process can be used for the tar sands in Alberta. I keep reminding people here that the tar sands in Alberta have more oil than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the U.S., Iran, and Iraq have in proven reserves combined. But it is expensive and takes a lot of carbon burning to produce. If this technology can be used with the tar sands then 100% of oil can be gotten domestically. I know, I know: Canada is a foreign country. Yeah, technically. But it's Canada and most Americans actually think it's like Puerto Rico any way: some sort of territory owned by Americans but not quite a state. And if Quebec separates -- which could very well happen -- then Canada will disintegrate soon afterwards and Alberta -- the more American-friendly of the 10 provinces -- could very well join the U.S. And then we'd have clean oil for the next 100 years, all obtained domestically.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic flying hits the military [1 Attachment]
They'd probably do better if their vastu headquarters had a brahmasthan! -- Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat or hump it, piss on it and walk away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- snip Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are fulfilling that promise. Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back. Funny, but I always felt that everyone else in the Movement -- in other words, nutcase fanatics like you, Nabby -- had jumped ship and that it was I who was the one who did the TM Program as it was originally presented. When I was a little boy and would do something my mother didn't like I would often protest that I was right. And be stubborn about it. My mother would reply: Sure. You're right and the rest of the world is wrong. How prophetic she was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? I'm just asking how you feel he should respond. You seem to be saying that he does not need to respond, no explanation owed. That is fine. I guess he devotees will accept or defect depending on how they feel about the situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EAfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] The Ring of Fire
http://tinyurl.com/ykxsfdm Johnny Cash Willie Nelson - Ring of Fire (live)
[FairfieldLife] The Love Eternal as sung by a couple of americans
http://tinyurl.com/yhtlhom
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? I'm just asking how you feel he should respond. You seem to be saying that he does not need to respond, no explanation owed. That is fine. I guess he devotees will accept or defect depending on how they feel about the situation. I am saying that I don't give a shit about this guy, and give even less of one about his devotees. I think anyone stupid enough to become a devotee deserves all the disappointment he or she deserves. Look, this is a situation that just does not even register on my Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter. It could never happen to me 1) because I would never be stupid enough to set myself up as a spiritual teacher, and 2) if I ever took leave of my senses and did, I would never be or claim to be celibate. If he did, well he gets to live with that and see how things work out. If his devotees believed that he was enlightened before sporting the wood and carrying the nookie, why wouldn't he be after sporting the wood and carrying the nookie? Anyone stupid enough to equate enlightenment with celibacy or a lack of enlightenment with a lack of celibacy should be forced to deal with the karma of that stupidity. It appears that some of his devotees will get to do just that. BFD. Not my concern. If he didn't, and his devotees just *assumed* that he was celibate, well even worse on them. I don't see that he owes his devotees shit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Fighting the Supermarket Racket - Raj Patel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAPXY85kAY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative. Indeed, 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this because the TMO did indeed present itself -- snip Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are fulfilling that promise. Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back. Funny, but I always felt that everyone else in the Movement -- in other words, nutcase fanatics like you, Nabby -- had jumped ship and that it was I who was the one who did the TM Program as it was originally presented. I know this is your thinking, you've said so before on numerous occasions. Nothing wrong about that whatsoever. Whoever took Maharishi seriously and simply did what you did is in my book a hero. One could write volumes about this, as it will be. His project was and is so infinitely large. If someone took one little piece of that infinite project seriously in his own life; all glory to him ! When I was a little boy and would do something my mother didn't like I would often protest that I was right. And be stubborn about it. My mother would reply: Sure. You're right and the rest of the world is wrong. How prophetic she was. Your mother was a hero too. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:48 AM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote: Oh, Goody. Another War of the Religions spectacle coming our way. Time for the evangelical Latino community to come out of the woodwork and do their thing. Although largely Catholic, evangelicals hold a significant spot in the Latin American religious community and they will, of course, look not too kindly upon this encroachment upon their territory. Now, I don't know much about this latest TM mission in Latin America but as soon as I saw the numbers 2,000,000 I can only imagine that some unsuspecting Latin American politician or dictator (although there's not too many of those around these days in Latin America) decreed some sort of program in conjunction with a nutcase Rajah. Ya beat me to posting this idea. So let me just add Hail President Chavez! Can'tcha see Dr. BM taking Maharishi's place in yet another honorarium to a tinhorn dictator? -- I'm working into my exercise program gradually. Today I drove by a sporting goods store.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonderful Spartacus: Blood and Tits review
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: It's too bad that Starz is yet another $18 a month subscription on Comcrap err... I mean XXX-finity. If they had a 6 month for $7 a month promo I might sign up. But sadly these days there's little to offer even with my current subscription. I was surfing what OnDemand movie to watch and saw almost nothing that was of interest. Then I went to the pay OnDemand and cruised those and found little or nothing to catch my interest. With the latter I have some coupons that will defray part of the cost. Rome was very good but I tired of it by season three and stopped watching. I got tired of it early on and stopped watching. It's good that you remind me of the realities of whether you can see these TV series or not. Me, I'm an eyepatch-wearer in a country that is way tolerant of eyepatches, so I get to see pretty much anything I want. This series really does deserve Heather's review. I've never seen anything quite like it. She really nails it, so much so I want to date her. :-) It's this amazing blend of soft-core porn and hard-core violence, played *exactly* as she suggests, with the former as foreplay, but the Big O delivered with the latter. Blood splashing everywhere in ways that makes 300 look like a Saturday morning children's cartoon. Naked or near-naked bodies everywhere. And naked whatever your preference is in naked. I can see this show having a big gay following, because let's face it...it's full of not only incredibly buff naked and near-naked men, it even shows gay male and female sex. I don't know quite what to make of it. For me it's like watching a train wreck and being unable to look away. If this is the future of television, then the U.S. is further gone than I thought. It's not that big a leap from this show to The Running Man and gladiators for real. TurquoiseB wrote: I've been kinda holding my tongue on this one. My brother got me hooked on Spartacus: Blood and San, which I retitled as above in the Subject line after seeing the first episode, but which I have been unable to tear my eyes away from ever since. I haven't commented much on it here because I just hadn't gotten the words together to do it justice. Now I needn't bother. Heather Havrilesky on Salon did it for me. Spartacus: Rome on steroids, Viagra and crack http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/03/06/spa\ rtacus_blood_and_sand_rome_on_steroids_viagra_crack/index.html http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.htmlHeather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.html From full-frontal nudity to splashing blood, is this the future of TV or just a pornographic video game gone mad?By Heather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/author/heather_havrilesky/index.html Andy Whitfield in Spartacus: Blood and Sand. What's wrong with modern life? When did our spontaneity and imagination and appetite for glory leave us, replaced by bloodshot eyes and a hard knot in the stomach, failure wrapped in neuroticism dripped with anxiety covered with dissatisfaction? When did we trade in our vibrant, lusty, devil-may-care recklessness and red wine-glazed dreams for the carpal tunnel and coffee breath of the professionally compromised? When did we go from carefree iconoclasts to distracted, sallow lumps who've wasted the better half of a decade rewriting inter-office e-mails so that they're less of a reflection of our bitter, dying souls? Sure, when we're not impaired by the relentless drumbeat of empty tweets and Googled tragedies and breathless press releases about the latest jackhole to sign up for Dancing With the Stars, we do try to reach out to each other, tenuously, through Facebook and Twitter and sometimes even by picking up our telephones, which haven't held a solid charge since Monica Lewinsky was running around the White House in capri pants. But it's not the same. One decade into the new millennium, one too many irresistible up-to-date blurbs and blogs and snippets and tweets have smeared our once-lively spirits across the dirty windshield of life. Except when we're in a really good mood, and then everything's fine. Butt cheek of the gods Thank the lords Spartacus: Blood and Sand (10 p.m. Fridays on Starz) is here to show us exactly when, where and how we went astray. Apparently, back in 73 B.C., human beings were gigantic and horny and all they did was have great sex and slash each other with steely blades, resulting in big bursts of blood that splashed everywhere. Hurray! It seems that ever since that time, humans have steadily grown more vague and sullen, losing more muscle mass and joie de vivre each century that they walked the earth. With each passing decade came another reason to slouch and feel discouraged: the spinning wheel (ouch), barbed wire (drag), pasteurization (enough
[FairfieldLife] Alice in Wonderland beats Avatar opening weekend
Sorry Shemp. It looks like Avatar is going to lose out to Tim Burton's PG rated Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I might like to see it but it will probably have to be an early matinee to avoid mom talking the kids to a movie after school. I hear that Burton did not hoke up the 3D in this one. http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/100m-weekend-for-alice-in-wonderland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Buck: Oh, that seems sad and so human... Actually it's sad and funny, Buck, both at the same time. But I can't believe how interested in Tony, the ex-TMers are today. It's like they can't seem get enough of this trashy Tony talk. The Insiders, like you and me and Nabby, we give them some little nibbles of information, and they just crave more and more. It's like they were insatiable, like a Tiger, never-ending quest, this craving for insider TMO info! So far, Vaj posted comments about fingering little girls, and his Mother Goddess; Turq says he doesn't give a shit about a guy getting some nookie; Shemp wants to know the name of Tony's wife and Lurk seems really interested in a guy that just got laid on YouTube. Bill Hicks apparently tried to hump his own dog this morning. And, now some guy calling himself 'merudanda' is trying to pick a fight with Judy! merudanda: Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH (Barry speech/slang) to research... FairfieldLife/message/243172ang) to research.
[FairfieldLife] Geraldo's Stepford ditz cohost
Where do they dig these women up? This is an interview with Alex Jones from Geraldo's show last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-XjX00UHkk Listen ditz, Democracy is about being able to criticize your government not being a mindless sheeple. Now go back to selling perfume at Macy's.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alice in Wonderland beats Avatar opening weekend
At $2.5 billion worlwide box office, I still believe Avatar will hit my prediction of obtaining $3 billion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Sorry Shemp. It looks like Avatar is going to lose out to Tim Burton's PG rated Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I might like to see it but it will probably have to be an early matinee to avoid mom talking the kids to a movie after school. I hear that Burton did not hoke up the 3D in this one. http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/100m-weekend-for-alice-in-wonderland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonderful Spartacus: Blood and Tits review
I can never read or hear the title Spartacus without thinking of Cher Horowitz's interpretation of it in the movie Clueless: Sporaticus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: It's too bad that Starz is yet another $18 a month subscription on Comcrap err... I mean XXX-finity. If they had a 6 month for $7 a month promo I might sign up. But sadly these days there's little to offer even with my current subscription. I was surfing what OnDemand movie to watch and saw almost nothing that was of interest. Then I went to the pay OnDemand and cruised those and found little or nothing to catch my interest. With the latter I have some coupons that will defray part of the cost. Rome was very good but I tired of it by season three and stopped watching. I got tired of it early on and stopped watching. It's good that you remind me of the realities of whether you can see these TV series or not. Me, I'm an eyepatch-wearer in a country that is way tolerant of eyepatches, so I get to see pretty much anything I want. This series really does deserve Heather's review. I've never seen anything quite like it. She really nails it, so much so I want to date her. :-) It's this amazing blend of soft-core porn and hard-core violence, played *exactly* as she suggests, with the former as foreplay, but the Big O delivered with the latter. Blood splashing everywhere in ways that makes 300 look like a Saturday morning children's cartoon. Naked or near-naked bodies everywhere. And naked whatever your preference is in naked. I can see this show having a big gay following, because let's face it...it's full of not only incredibly buff naked and near-naked men, it even shows gay male and female sex. I don't know quite what to make of it. For me it's like watching a train wreck and being unable to look away. If this is the future of television, then the U.S. is further gone than I thought. It's not that big a leap from this show to The Running Man and gladiators for real. TurquoiseB wrote: I've been kinda holding my tongue on this one. My brother got me hooked on Spartacus: Blood and San, which I retitled as above in the Subject line after seeing the first episode, but which I have been unable to tear my eyes away from ever since. I haven't commented much on it here because I just hadn't gotten the words together to do it justice. Now I needn't bother. Heather Havrilesky on Salon did it for me. Spartacus: Rome on steroids, Viagra and crack http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/03/06/spa\ rtacus_blood_and_sand_rome_on_steroids_viagra_crack/index.html http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.htmlHeather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/index.html From full-frontal nudity to splashing blood, is this the future of TV or just a pornographic video game gone mad?By Heather Havrilesky http://www.salon.com/author/heather_havrilesky/index.html Andy Whitfield in Spartacus: Blood and Sand. What's wrong with modern life? When did our spontaneity and imagination and appetite for glory leave us, replaced by bloodshot eyes and a hard knot in the stomach, failure wrapped in neuroticism dripped with anxiety covered with dissatisfaction? When did we trade in our vibrant, lusty, devil-may-care recklessness and red wine-glazed dreams for the carpal tunnel and coffee breath of the professionally compromised? When did we go from carefree iconoclasts to distracted, sallow lumps who've wasted the better half of a decade rewriting inter-office e-mails so that they're less of a reflection of our bitter, dying souls? Sure, when we're not impaired by the relentless drumbeat of empty tweets and Googled tragedies and breathless press releases about the latest jackhole to sign up for Dancing With the Stars, we do try to reach out to each other, tenuously, through Facebook and Twitter and sometimes even by picking up our telephones, which haven't held a solid charge since Monica Lewinsky was running around the White House in capri pants. But it's not the same. One decade into the new millennium, one too many irresistible up-to-date blurbs and blogs and snippets and tweets have smeared our once-lively spirits across the dirty windshield of life. Except when we're in a really good mood, and then everything's fine. Butt cheek of the gods Thank the lords Spartacus: Blood and Sand (10 p.m. Fridays on Starz) is here to show us exactly when, where and how we went astray. Apparently, back in 73 B.C., human beings were gigantic and horny and all they did was have great sex and slash each other with steely blades, resulting in big bursts of blood that splashed everywhere. Hurray! It seems that ever
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
Chief of Staff? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Buck: Oh, that seems sad and so human... Actually it's sad and funny, Buck, both at the same time. But I can't believe how interested in Tony, the ex-TMers are today. It's like they can't seem get enough of this trashy Tony talk. The Insiders, like you and me and Nabby, we give them some little nibbles of information, and they just crave more and more. It's like they were insatiable, like a Tiger, never-ending quest, this craving for insider TMO info! So far, Vaj posted comments about fingering little girls, and his Mother Goddess; Turq says he doesn't give a shit about a guy getting some nookie; Shemp wants to know the name of Tony's wife and Lurk seems really interested in a guy that just got laid on YouTube. Bill Hicks apparently tried to hump his own dog this morning. And, now some guy calling himself 'merudanda' is trying to pick a fight with Judy! merudanda: Here we need may be the charming Grand Lady Judy, the diamond stone (Stein), of this FFL DUDE RANCH (Barry speech/slang) to research... FairfieldLife/message/243172ang) to research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alice in Wonderland beats Avatar opening weekend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Sorry Shemp. It looks like Avatar is going to lose out to Tim Burton's PG rated Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I might like to see I saw it last night with my wife and daughter. I would not recommend it. A review on rotten tomatoes said it best, paraphrasing, incoherent plot, no heart, only special effects gave it a 53. Nothing about it drew me in. The 3D in Avatar just filled that space in me such that the 3D in Alice didn't really register. Very weak story line IMO. it will probably have to be an early matinee to avoid mom talking the kids to a movie after school. I hear that Burton did not hoke up the 3D in this one. http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/100m-weekend-for-alice-in-wonderland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alice in Wonderland beats Avatar opening weekend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Sorry Shemp. It looks like Avatar is going to lose out to Tim Burton's PG rated Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I might like to see I saw it last night with my wife and daughter. I would not recommend it. A review on rotten tomatoes said it best, paraphrasing, incoherent plot, no heart, only special effects gave it a 53. Nothing about it drew me in. The 3D in Avatar just filled that space in me such that the 3D in Alice didn't really register. Very weak story line IMO. it will probably have to be an early matinee to avoid mom talking the kids to a movie after school. I hear that Burton did not hoke up the 3D in this one. http://www.deadline.com/2010/03/100m-weekend-for-alice-in-wonderland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Chief of Staff? I know more or less everything that goes on within the TMO. But about this matter I know nothing. None of us have a clue; it's a very private thing. What I do know is that Maharishi has passed the tourch on to a very deserving soul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Chief of Staff? I know more or less everything that goes on within the TMO. But about this matter I know nothing. None of us have a clue; it's a very private thing. What I do know is that Maharishi has passed the tourch on to a very deserving soul. What do you think of Girish, the wanna-be Maharishi, who dresses the part like a little girl at Halloween dresses like Glinda, the Good Witch of the North?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: meetoo: Of more interesting to me when I first came to know of the differences in the systems... The depth of the Indian philosophical systems make western philosophy seem like an ant hill! David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion are the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the intrinsic contradiction in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. Er, Hume wasn't exactly the first to expose this contradiction. It's been argued about for millennia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy It wasn't the primacy of the idea that I was valuing. It was the effect empiricism had on society. The Greeks had examined every philosophical idea under the sun, but we still had most human knowledge dominated by superstition for centuries afterwords. The period of time when Hume lived was perfect for this perspective to catch on and the effect was a huge contribution to modern society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: meetoo: Of more interesting to me when I first came to know of the differences in the systems... The depth of the Indian philosophical systems make western philosophy seem like an ant hill! David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion are the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the intrinsic contradiction in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. Er, Hume wasn't exactly the first to expose this contradiction. It's been argued about for millennia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy It wasn't the primacy of the idea that I was valuing. It was the effect empiricism had on society. OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been recognized on an empirical basis, and the contradiction between the empirical observation of suffering and the theoretical construct of divine omnipotence and omnibenevolence had been wrestled with since the theoretical construct was first developed. It's just not the best example to use if you want to tout what Hume's thinking did for the world. The Greeks had examined every philosophical idea under the sun, but we still had most human knowledge dominated by superstition for centuries afterwords. The period of time when Hume lived was perfect for this perspective to catch on and the effect was a huge contribution to modern society.
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[FairfieldLife] Scientology article in todays NY Times.
Today's NY Times has a very fascinating article on Scientology. Read it carefully and ask yourself if any of this reminds you of the time you spent at or near the power center of the TMO. I didn't know they had Ideal Cities. What if a Vedic City and a Scientology Ideal City were next to each other and had an issue they didn't agree on. Would a holy wara jihad, start?? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07scientology.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ring of Fire
I heard Preparation H once toyed with the idea of using this song in their commercials. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 11:03:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Ring of Fire http://tinyurl. com/ykxsfdm Johnny Cash Willie Nelson - Ring of Fire (live)
[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond? Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie. So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone something? I'm just asking how you feel he should respond. You seem to be saying that he does not need to respond, no explanation owed. That is fine. I guess he devotees will accept or defect depending on how they feel about the situation. I am saying that I don't give a shit about this guy, and give even less of one about his devotees. I think anyone stupid enough to become a devotee deserves all the disappointment he or she deserves. I see Look, this is a situation that just does not even register on my Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter. It could never happen to me 1) because I would never be stupid enough to set myself up as a spiritual teacher, and 2) if I ever took leave of my senses and did, I would never be or claim to be celibate. Ok, I'll keep that in mind If he did, well he gets to live with that and see how things work out. If his devotees believed that he was enlightened before sporting the wood and carrying the nookie, why wouldn't he be after sporting the wood and carrying the nookie? Anyone stupid enough to equate enlightenment with celibacy or a lack of enlightenment with a lack of celibacy should be forced to deal with the karma of that stupidity. It appears that some of his devotees will get to do just that. BFD. Not my concern. If he didn't, and his devotees just *assumed* that he was celibate, well even worse on them. I don't see that he owes his devotees shit. Ok, just a basic case of caveat emptor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: BTW, for those that may be interested, here is a link to Swami Nithyananda's first response to his sex scandal. I couldn't see where he was going to have a lot of wiggle room, and there's not much for him to say, except that what he did was not illegal. Nor is there anything to apologize for. I've read some of the reports coming out of India, that they are going to try to charge him with cheating On whom? Are they going to call Lakshmi or Parvati into court to say, He done me wrong? Or, even more interesting, do the same with Shiva? I can just see the big blue guy standing up in court and saying, Yeah, he was promised to *me*, and here I find him in bed with some hussy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been recognized on an empirical basis, Before we switched epistemological teams it was filtered through ideology like they do in India: they deserve it, or in the West, it is God's will that you share the suffering of Christ. and the contradiction between the empirical observation of suffering and the theoretical construct of divine omnipotence and omnibenevolence had been wrestled with since the theoretical construct was first developed. Not as beautifully, elegantly or thoroughly as Hume's work IMO. But I would love to read any other detailed presentations of this idea that preceded him if you have it as this topic does interest me. It's just not the best example to use if you want to tout what Hume's thinking did for the world. Perhaps I should have qualified my claim as in my world. As far as I am concerned he backed the Western religious view of God and put a hollow point in his head. Good riddance. He had a powerful effect on me because I read him with the Hindu re-frame at MIU and then afterwords when I had dropped out of Theism. He is a saint in my non church. I believe that his timely theological roto-rooter helped create the space for empiricism to blossom. You really can't get very far into the modern age in science as long as you are fudging data to fit the scriptures. He was among the thinkers who heralded in the modern age so I don't think my World Government news enthusiasm is unwarranted. I certainly put him way above the Guru Dev about whom so much more derriere directed smoke has been blown. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: meetoo: Of more interesting to me when I first came to know of the differences in the systems... The depth of the Indian philosophical systems make western philosophy seem like an ant hill! David Hume's Dialogues on Natural Religion are the Vedanta of Vedanta for me. By exposing the intrinsic contradiction in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. Er, Hume wasn't exactly the first to expose this contradiction. It's been argued about for millennia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy It wasn't the primacy of the idea that I was valuing. It was the effect empiricism had on society. OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been recognized on an empirical basis, and the contradiction between the empirical observation of suffering and the theoretical construct of divine omnipotence and omnibenevolence had been wrestled with since the theoretical construct was first developed. It's just not the best example to use if you want to tout what Hume's thinking did for the world. The Greeks had examined every philosophical idea under the sun, but we still had most human knowledge dominated by superstition for centuries afterwords. The period of time when Hume lived was perfect for this perspective to catch on and the effect was a huge contribution to modern society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: OK, but the the existence of suffering has always been recognized on an empirical basis, Before we switched epistemological teams it was filtered through ideology like they do in India: they deserve it, or in the West, it is God's will that you share the suffering of Christ. Uh, yeah, among other things. I'm just pointing out that suffering was recognized empirically. It's not as if in the olden days people didn't observe what was in front of their noses. When the observations didn't seem to jibe with the theoretical teaching, they understood that this was a problem. The observations themselves weren't filtered. Suffering had to be explained away with regard to the contradiction, but its existence wasn't denied, in other words. Maybe I haven't been clear. What I'm objecting to is this: By exposing the intrinsic contradiction in the very concept of God as being omnipotent omniscient and good when compared with the state of suffering in the world, he freed mankind from thousands of years of superstitious beliefs. Which makes it sound as though Hume was the first to see the contradiction. (One could also argue that he didn't exactly free mankind as a whole from its beliefs, but that's another issue.) I'm not dissing Hume, just your characterization. and the contradiction between the empirical observation of suffering and the theoretical construct of divine omnipotence and omnibenevolence had been wrestled with since the theoretical construct was first developed. Not as beautifully, elegantly or thoroughly as Hume's work IMO. But I would love to read any other detailed presentations of this idea that preceded him if you have it as this topic does interest me. Well, I already gave you two Wikipedia pages, both of which give pretty detailed accounts of lots of different takes with links to original sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy I'm partial to the Kabbalistic explanation for its sophistication and poetry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimtzum This doesn't have a very good set of links to material on the Web, but it's a well-done introduction with several different takes on the basic principles. The theodicy per se is pretty much implicit, although it's mentioned a couple of times. (I'm assuming what you're interested in is the various ways in which the contradiction has been resolved to the satisfaction of (some) believers, not a previous equivalent of Hume in which empiricism triumphs over religious belief.) It's just not the best example to use if you want to tout what Hume's thinking did for the world. Perhaps I should have qualified my claim as in my world. Yeah, that would have helped!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Wow, I wonder if anyone is really going to read what is written below. Well other than to stop reading once one sees Vaishnavas believe blank since some will realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief system, but a number of different belief systems centered around Vishnu, the ones who don't know that will think wow, that's interesting. The others will think wow, what a bunch of BS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoostill@ wrote: Thanks Ruth, it is an interesting quote, and contains a lot of illuminating material. Not, for the avoidance of doubt, for the purpose of criticizing what MMY has said, nor what you have said, and thanks again Ruth for the quote, but only to talk about what it is that he is saying, the opening sentence is Fortunate are they who live in Union with God Vaishnavas consider that there is no such thing, and that to propose there is constitutes astounding ego and hubris. Christians of course would quite agree with Vaishnavas on that point. Vaishnavas understand there to be not one eternal truth in Unity, but 3 things that are eternal - the Godhead, who is NOT attribute less, but who is blue and plays a flute (that is one place where they part ways with their Christian brothers); individual souls, who are innumerable and without beginning or end, and therefore are both infinite and eternal in their own right, separate from the godhead; and the creation, which is likewise without beginning or end. I assume MMY knew all this and had it down cold from childhood. MMY ends finds...that the other standpoint is right at its own level. Levels, unlike perspectives, imply a hierarchy not two equally true perspectives, and there is little doubt that MMY meant to be inclusive in a patronizing sort of a manner. His sectarian view, his preferred system of Indian philosophy, holds that at a lower lever of consciousness there is duality, and at a higher level of consciousness there is unity. The Vaishnava viewpoint is that the goal of unity with god is a false doctrine. For the avoidance of doubt I do not ascribe to the Vaishnava view, so this is not meant to promote their view but only to state it as best I can. Dude, the 'bunch of BS' comment - way harsh. I'm not sure if you assume I consider myself a know it all - anything but, although I am also not a know nothing. To start a sentence XXX believe... is not in and of itself out of line, after all, words do have meanings. If you said 'Christians believe' and followed it with 'accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior secures eternal life' you would have 99% of them, albeit they believe a lot of other things too, and of course there are outliers who believe something different. As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu features large, as you pointed out yourself, proposing meaning, as I had. Vishnu features so large that they are in fact dualists and not, like adherents of advaita, non-dualists. I'm not sure if you thought there was something offensive or derogatory in that, or that it was misleading in some way, or maybe that it is not the case? When I spent some time with some close friends of mine who are Vishnu devotees and came to understand the ramification of 'Duality' I was surprised and yes a bit chagrined. To be a non-dualist (advaita, SCI, etc) is to propose that you are, in the end, going to realize unity with god. Duality, two, me and God, non-duality, one, no difference between me and god. A simplification, yes, but there it is. And I had to think, its a lot to propose - non-duality - certainly makes the virtue of humility harder to achieve, recognize a feature of MMY or of the TMO TB community? Perhaps not an inevitable result of deciding to adopting the view, or to say it differently, 'the belief', in the tenet of non-duality, that there is only one, and to adopt the belief in its most salient tenet, that god and myself are one. But maybe, I thought, because I do try not to be a know it all, I thought maybe non duality is not as unassailable a tenet as I have always taken it to be. It was one of those blessed well, now that I think about it, what do I know moments.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You have nothing in common with Ron Paul Shemp. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Last chance America. Without reform you are bankrupt. Yes, Willytex, MDIXON, and Shemp, you and your families will loose your job/income and go bankrupt. Healthcare costs this country too much. It is dragging the economy into an abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews We Brits will be just fine though. OffWorld What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? I never saw your stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to you Shemp? I supported Obama for President (long before anyone on FFl did): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 Magoo, you have nothing in common with Ron Paul.. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? Gee, let me guess: he's closer to Willytex and MDixon and eons away from you. And, gosh, I never heard back from you when I supplied that youtube of Ron Paul saying how AGW was a crock...what happened to you? Same thing that likely will happen to him this time. He's just not stand up enough to address the tough questions. Either that or he goes into name calling mode. Seeking communion with Mr. Magoo, the warmonger anti-social mental case, are you now Lurker? Good for you, you have a friend there. I can't figure out where all your hate comes from, You don't seem like that type. I never saw Shemp's stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to what participants with so little depth, such as yourself, have to say here on FFL?? Peace. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't have democracy in the US but it's poor cousin; multible choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Mldx3r2rQfeature=related Right on. America was founded so that they could keep their slaves. That's all. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running. Don't try and weasel out of it. You have nothing in common with Ron Paul Shemp. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul supported the war in Afghanistan. I don't think a peacenik would do that. Ron Paul was also in the military for years. Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Ron Paul is 180 degrees opposite of you. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Wow, Vaj must be turning in his grave ! ----------was//Re: New study!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: 2. New Study: Transcendental Meditation Technique Taps into Natural Brain Mode A new study out in February in the journal Cognitive Processing discovered that people who practice the Transcendental Meditation® technique are able to systematically tap into a natural mode in the brain -- a deep level of function that has been identified by scientists. An underlying state of the brain called the default mode network has become a hot topic in neuroscience, but scientists hadn't been able to find a way to systematically tap into it, said faculty researcher Fred Travis, lead author of the study. When I gave a presentation about this study to neuroscientists, they were really interested to hear that this was possible. The study, a randomized controlled trial, found that the source of higher alpha brainwaves during the Transcendental Meditation technique were in midline cortical regions of the brain seen during the default mode. This state is associated with unfocused thought, Dr. Travis says. Even when your eyes are closed, there's organized activity in the brain. But it's inner directed. Your cognitive processes aren't responding to tasks at hand, but are engaged in a sort of free-flowing thought. Research has shown that when you're most deeply in this state, you're not even aware of it, because your mind is so engrossed. Dr. Travis said that based on seeing the activation of this default mode during the Transcendental Meditation technique, one can infer that the Transcendental Meditation technique leads to a state of reduced cognitive load -- meaning that the brain is working less, i.e., less mental control and manipulation, less thinking -- along with a heightened sense of self. While research has shown that simply closing one's eyes and relaxing increases activity in the default mode, activation in this brain network was higher during practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique. In addition, relative to eyes-closed rest, during the Transcendental Meditation technique there was higher power in alpha waves in the frontal cortex (indicating greater inner wakefulness), lower-power beta and gamma waves in the frontal cortex (the brain is working less), and greater interhemispheric coherence (the brain is working more as a whole). The finding of significant brain wave differences between students practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique and those simply resting with their eyes closed is especially convincing because subjects were randomly assigned to conditions, and testing was conducted by a researcher unaware of the experimental condition to which the subject had been assigned, said David Haaga, Ph.D., coauthor and professor of psychology at American University. The current research on the default mode network of the brain is valuable to us, because we now have a concrete, measurable brain network that's being talked about in science that we can use to verify what we experience when we practice the Transcendental Meditation technique, Dr. Travis said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You don't have democracy in the US but it's poor cousin; multible choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Mldx3r2rQfeature=related Right on. America was founded so that they could keep their slaves. That's all. OffWorld As one of FFL's only Black participants, you have more credibility on the subject I suppose than others. So we should listen to you on this. Let me ask you this. You say you supported Obama. Did you vote for him only because you both share the same skin color? Or was it his positions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? Gee, let me guess: he's closer to Willytex and MDixon and eons away from you. And, gosh, I never heard back from you when I supplied that youtube of Ron Paul saying how AGW was a crock...what happened to you? Same thing that likely will happen to him this time. He's just not stand up enough to address the tough questions. Either that or he goes into name calling mode. Seeking communion with Mr. Magoo, the warmonger anti-social mental case, are you now Lurker? Good for you, you have a friend there. I can't figure out where all your hate comes from, You don't seem like that type. I never saw Shemp's stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to what participants with so little depth, such as yourself, have to say here on FFL?? Peace. OffWorld Your offering of Peace at the end of a post in which you spew your negativity is almost as comical as Barry's posts in which he will skewer someone and then end with a happy face -):
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running Nope. Ron Paul was still in the running at the time. I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republican party because he was far better than all those idiots and criminals that you supported Shemp. But you warmongers pushed him out and smeared him, so that an old idiot warmonger could shuffle around with some bimbo ,making complete fools of you and your warmongering hateful ant-social archaic neandhethal friends Shemp. I was the first on FFL life to support Obama for President. (and that fact just makes you so mad doesn't it Shemp.) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Last chance America. Without reform you are bankrupt. Yes, Willytex, MDIXON, and Shemp, you and your families will loose your job/income and go bankrupt. Healthcare costs this country too much. It is dragging the economy into an abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews We Brits will be just fine though. OffWorld What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? I never saw your stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to you Shemp? I supported Obama for President (long before anyone on FFl did): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 Everyone on this forum knows you supported Ron Paul WAY before you supported Obama and only switched to Obama once Ron Paul was out of the running. Look, we all had to sit through your insufferable, fanatical Ron Paul diatribes for months...are you telling us now you never supported him? Magoo, you have nothing in common with Ron Paul.. Why do you keep kidding yourself? I told you a million times. You are nothing like him, and you don't understand any of his points. You are a warmonger, he is a peacenik. Why do you keep kidding yourself? Ron Paul is all about charities too. ie. Giving. He believes that helping others comes naturally. He just doesn't understand that in an age of ignorance, with ignoramouses such as you, there needs to be an organized effort to help others in a way that the consensus in society feels is best (rather than your ignorant inefficient ideas) -- and that is called socialism. Socialism is the wave of the future. Peace and love. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Ha ha Avatar not so great !
After all the hype, and supporters calling detractors 'blind' if they had a criticism of the film, Avatar only takes a few token Oscars ! Good. It was a crock of cliche, over-sentimental, very forgetable junk food. And it only earned 1.5 billion pounds even with all the over-hyping and its lowest common denominator draw. Now we can move on from this pretentious montrosity of a movie. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Last chance America. Without reform you are bankrupt. Yes, Willytex, MDIXON, and Shemp, you and your families will loose your job/income and go bankrupt. Healthcare costs this country too much. It is dragging the economy into an abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZLvFrl6qkfeature=ytn%3Amptnews We Brits will be just fine though. OffWorld What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? I never saw your stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to you Shemp? I supported Obama for President (long before anyone on FFl did): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 Everyone on this forum knows you supported Ron Paul WAY before you supported Obama and only switched to Obama once Ron Paul was out of the running Wrong. Ron Paul was still in the running when I made that post. Stop lying Shemp, it is getting you no-where. You are only fooling yourself. I hadn't heard of Obama until about the time of that post, and I was the first here to recognise his value in the 21st century. Ron Paul was still the most credible contender for the Republican leader. The rest were a joke, as you, who supported them, found out in the general election. I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republicans, and I STILL DO ! GO RON PAUL ! And I was the first to support Obama on FFL, and Ron Paul was still in the running for the Republican party leader.Stop lying about that. But people like you smeared him and pushed him out. Remember, on the night of the all-white Republican Party convention, Ron Paul had a BIGGER and more diverse convention across the river. And recently he beat out Romney and Palin in a Republican straw poll. You never supported Ron Paul, you just supported neanderthal losers and criminals like Bush and Cheney and their resident clown McCain and their Bimbo Palin OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What does your hero -- your fanatical choice for president -- Ron Paul feel about the healthcare issue, Off_World? Gee, let me guess: he's closer to Willytex and MDixon and eons away from you. And, gosh, I never heard back from you when I supplied that youtube of Ron Paul saying how AGW was a crock...what happened to you? Same thing that likely will happen to him this time. He's just not stand up enough to address the tough questions. Either that or he goes into name calling mode. Seeking communion with Mr. Magoo, the warmonger anti-social mental case, are you now Lurker? Good for you, you have a friend there. I can't figure out where all your hate comes from, You don't seem like that type. I never saw Shemp's stupid post with a video. Do you really think I pay much attention to what participants with so little depth, such as yourself, have to say here on FFL?? Peace. OffWorld Your offering of Peace at the end of a post in which you spew your negativity is almost as comical as Barry's posts in which he will skewer someone and then end with a happy face -): Except in my case it was deliberate sarcasm at the end of a series of known facts about you and your wee buddy there, whereas Turq really thinks he is making his noxious off-gasoing more acceptable with a smiley face. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital for the 21st century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He is saying that true wealth in the future will come from giving. Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy for the 21st century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not? If not, state in one sentence your alternative approach. OffWorld I say no to that philosophy. The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world in the fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and disproportionately in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the selfishness and me, firstness of the unfettered free market. Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work in the 21st century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army only, and a few of their citizens and not to the most successful businesses as your free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and perpetuates terrorism worldwide. And the problem is, many people have the biggest army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come back to bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your methods are the methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century. Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are history, not part of the future.) OffWorld Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul, agrees with me and disagrees with you. I supported Obama for President. You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running Nope. Ron Paul was still in the running at the time. I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republican party because he was far better than all those idiots and criminals that you supported Shemp. But you warmongers pushed him out and smeared him, so that an old idiot warmonger could shuffle around with some bimbo ,making complete fools of you and your warmongering hateful ant-social archaic neandhethal friends Shemp. I was the first on FFL life to support Obama for President. (and that fact just makes you so mad doesn't it Shemp.) OffWorld That you supported Obama? Nope, it confirms to me that you shouldn't have been in Ron Paul's camp in the first place. There is not now nor was there before the election anything about Obama that I much liked.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha Avatar not so great !
On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:15 PM, off_world_beings wrote: After all the hype, and supporters calling detractors 'blind' if they had a criticism of the film, Avatar only takes a few token Oscars ! Good. It was a crock of cliche, over-sentimental, very forgetable junk food. And it only earned 1.5 billion pounds even with all the over-hyping and its lowest common denominator draw. Now we can move on from this pretentious montrosity of a movie. Amen--and now maybe we won't have to waste any more afternoons or evenings sitting through another one of Cameron's interminable, over-hyped, way over-produced, anti-septic, silly message movies, with little heart and even less soul, with actors who aren't acting and a plot you couldn't find if you had a map. The guy doesn't direct movies, he directs production brochures. And I'm just delighted the Academy agreed with me :) and passed the Oscars on to those movies that actually deserved it. You know, the ones that had all that old-fashioned stuff like plot, acting and stories with characters people actually could care about. Sal
