[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm hoping I get to surf the Bardo and play the game again. If I'm wrong and the world just goes black along with any self or self-identity, big deal. I won't even be there to know about it, much less be there to be disappointed. :-) It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one, if if all fades to black at the end. Somehow, I don't see that happening. Even if I don't have any concrete experience of it, I just KNOW there's a subtle, or astral body in there somewhere. As I suggested earlier, I don't worry about it terribly much. If fade to black turns out to be the reality, what will be there left of me to notice? My belief in reincarnation and the Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo in previous life-death-rebirth cycles, but that could just be imagination AFAIK. The issue in the Tibetan forms of Buddhism that I admire -- as, interestingly, the issue in forms of shamanism or occultism such as those popularized by Carlos Castaneda -- is remarkably pragmatic and liberating IMO. They don't believe that much, if any, thought needs to be given to future lives or what happens after we did. The only thing that matters is this life and what happens *before* we die -- right here, right Now. The only measure of one's evolution or score in terms of karma is (in their view) one's state of attention right here, right Now. How am I doing karmically is literally the same question as What is my current state of attention? In the Tibetan model, based on a belief in rein- carnation, what matters is how much awareness and clarity and compassion one can bring to the moment of one's death. In their view, the more clarity of awareness one brings with them to the Bardo can determine the easiness or uneasiness of that transition, and help determine the nature of the next birth, and how much awareness one gets to start with in it. Interestingly enough, in Yaqui shamanic traditions some of the teachers I've met admit that there might be such a thing as reincarnation, but they choose to never dwell on it or consider it because in their system it is irrelevant. Their idea of a goal in life is the cultivation of awareness (or in their model, personal power) to as great a level as possible, given the length of one's life- time. What happens after that is in their view not relevant; it's a Here And Now kinda study. I resonate with this. While I accept the likelihood of the multi-lifetime model, I don't particularly count on it. Like the Tibetans and like the shamans, my score in this life depends on the state of atten- tion I can wear during my life, not on anything that happens after it. I think this is a preferable 'tude to kicking back and assuming that one has time to work things out in future incarnations if one does not get them handled in this one. With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0-C= So, Yogic Flying could be an ultrarapid series of Quantum Dislocations?? :D http://tinyurl.com/yhyeptg He incorporates gravity into quantum mechanics and suggests that gravity is what collapses the wave function.
[FairfieldLife] Dogs in Sat Yuga :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO over Lake Erie?
On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: LOL, more like approaching airplane. On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:52 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_qbRyUHFCsfeature=player_embedded# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2disi7i0tEfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqZ0FwW8GKIfeature=related I'd like to see an airplane standing still in the air and changing colours too at the same spot 9 nights in a row ! In any event, it's probably a high altitude mirage of some kind--Lake Erie is surrounded by habitation, airports, vehicles, ice fisherman, etc. Reminds me of the Gulf Breeze lights.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO over Lake Erie?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: LOL, more like approaching airplane. On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:52 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_qbRyUHFCsfeature=player_embedded# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2disi7i0tEfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqZ0FwW8GKIfeature=related I'd like to see an airplane standing still in the air and changing colours too at the same spot 9 nights in a row ! In any event, it's probably a high altitude mirage of some kind--Lake Erie is surrounded by habitation, airports, vehicles, ice fisherman, etc. Reminds me of the Gulf Breeze lights. Your sunglasses are not brown, they are completely black.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Thanks. I've enjoyed it very much as well. Just for the record, I also find it of little benefit to dwell on the possiblity of past or future lifetimes. It's nothing I think about except when I try to make sense of the big picture. Otherwise it's just the here and now that I keep my attention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
[FairfieldLife] Consciousness-Based Education in Vietnam
Bright future for Consciousness-Based Education in Vietnam: Dr Bevan Morris reports on recent tour by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News3 April 2010 http://globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=127024085429164519 __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one, if if all fades to black at the end... TurquoiseB: Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo... So, Turq is a 'TB' (True Believer). Upon death, the individual soul-monad rests in the Tibetan Heaven, the Bardo state, and then after a little while, gets re-born in another human body. The purpose of life is to unite the self with the Self, and to attain Unity Consciousness, a state of enlightened awareness, which gives life meaning. In Turq's religion, God is Karma, a religion Turq read about in a book and/or a spiritual cult guy told him about it. Just speaking for myself, I'm glad Turq finally came out of denial and defined his own spiritual path! Read more: 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' The Great Liberation by Hearing in the Intermediate States By Guru Padmasambhava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism 'Surfing the Himalayas' A Spiritual Adventure By Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Griffin, 1996 http://tinyurl.com/y9c6c8n 'A Separate Reality' Further Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Casteneda Pocket Books, 1973 http://tinyurl.com/ybfh4ym As I suggested earlier, I don't worry about it terribly much. If fade to black turns out to be the reality, what will be there left of me to notice? My belief in reincarnation and the Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo in previous life-death-rebirth cycles, but that could just be imagination AFAIK. The issue in the Tibetan forms of Buddhism that I admire -- as, interestingly, the issue in forms of shamanism or occultism such as those popularized by Carlos Castaneda -- is remarkably pragmatic and liberating IMO. They don't believe that much, if any, thought needs to be given to future lives or what happens after we did. The only thing that matters is this life and what happens *before* we die -- right here, right Now. The only measure of one's evolution or score in terms of karma is (in their view) one's state of attention right here, right Now. How am I doing karmically is literally the same question as What is my current state of attention? In the Tibetan model, based on a belief in rein- carnation, what matters is how much awareness and clarity and compassion one can bring to the moment of one's death. In their view, the more clarity of awareness one brings with them to the Bardo can determine the easiness or uneasiness of that transition, and help determine the nature of the next birth, and how much awareness one gets to start with in it. Interestingly enough, in Yaqui shamanic traditions some of the teachers I've met admit that there might be such a thing as reincarnation, but they choose to never dwell on it or consider it because in their system it is irrelevant. Their idea of a goal in life is the cultivation of awareness (or in their model, personal power) to as great a level as possible, given the length of one's life- time. What happens after that is in their view not relevant; it's a Here And Now kinda study. I resonate with this. While I accept the likelihood of the multi-lifetime model, I don't particularly count on it. Like the Tibetans and like the shamans, my score in this life depends on the state of atten- tion I can wear during my life, not on anything that happens after it. I think this is a preferable 'tude to kicking back and assuming that one has time to work things out in future incarnations if one does not get them handled in this one. With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Rick Archer: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA... So, I wonder who staged the 'days of rage' at the 1969 Democratic National Convention in Chicago? Students for a Democratic Society: http://tinyurl.com/lr9wyd Weather Underground: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization Bill Ayers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
[FairfieldLife] Science stunner: Vast East Siberian Arctic Shelf methane stores destabilizing and venting
The Repuglicans are right ! This IS good !We'll be able to sunbathe in the Arctic !(After billions perish, of course.) Science stunner: Vast East Siberian Arctic Shelf methane stores destabilizing and venting http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/04/science-nsf-tundra-permafrost-methane- east-siberian-arctic-shelf-venting/ ..found Arctic temperatures almost beyond imaginationabove 74°Ftemperatures more than 18°F warmer than current climate models had predicted when applied to this period. The three dozen authors conclude that existing climate models are missing crucial feedbacks that can significantly amplify polar warming. http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/20/a-methane-feedback-from-the-past-strik es-again/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
TurquoiseB: Interesting... Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson! - Bernardine Dohrn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadine_Dohrn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
TurquoiseB: One of the points I was trying to make about quantum physicists talking about God or astrophysicists merely *assuming* that the universe had a starting point or a moment of creation is what I'd term the persistence of early conditioning... The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the initial conditions and subsequent development of the Universe that is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation... Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theory
[FairfieldLife] using ordinary words instead of esoteric
Sorry that I was not clear enough. So, let me try to clarify that I am not offering a substitute for Samadhi, your Silence instead of Samadhi is fine ! I was actually trying to show agreement with the sentiment for using more simple ordinary words in place of the more esoteric words( Sanskrit, spiritual, scientific ) as pointers to our deeper nature Nor was I trying to be poetic In my view, Love, Silence, Space and Awareness are ordinarily words which every ordinary person experiences to one degree or another in ordinary life, besides thoughts and perceptions. So what I am offering is some simple ordinary words in place of the esoteric words: Sat-Chid-Anandaor even the translation existence-consciousness-bliss Instead of Sat( existence ) = space Instead of Chid( consciousness ) = awareness Instead of Ananda( bliss ) = love And I just added the word silence because These four words are now commonly used in advaita talks as pointers to our natural state, who we really are and also these are the most common words used to describe actual experiences. For example it seems to me that: Stuart Schwartz prefers silence, because he is very good at taking people into silence; Mooji prefers the word awareness; Jim Dreaver likes spacious awareness; etc; I like all four because they do point to my own actual experiences to one degree or another; for instance, years ago my heart opened and one of the insights was that Pure Love permeates all space similarly like gravity permeates all space so I could have used the ordinary words Space-Awareness-Love instead of the more esoteric/scientific Existence-Consciousness-Bliss However, perhaps I did use a little poetic license adding Silence and using adjectives Silent-Spacious-Loving-Awareness Silence, space and awareness are all formless; therefore nondual; I do not agree that space need imply duality; actually in physics space-time should perhaps be distance-time because these terms refer to measurable parameters; here, I am using the spiritual meaning of space as in expanded awareness, perhaps experienced while looking up at the sky. Love when meant pure love, omnipresent sufficient unto itself, is also nondual In any case, since Awareness is nondual, its adjectives Silent-Spacious-Loving are merely intended as pointers, which connect our ordinary experiences with our natural state as Awareness, which heretofore has been described in esoteric words, implying an extraordinary state reserved only for a few an unattainable for most. But now, even non-meditators and non-seekers are awakening to some degree or another, and some seem open to these simple pointers instead of the more esoteric/scientific ones. So, instead of using pointers ( which however work beautifully for some or served others well in the past ) Thou Art That, or I Am That I Am, or your true nature is existence-consciousness-bliss all I need to say to those interested is you are spacious-loving-silent-awareness that is who you really are that is your true state that is your natural state both very ordinary and very extraordinary again let me remind us that these words are only pointers, and there are many others like Presence, Now, Beingness, Emptiness, Fullness, Permanent, Impermanent, unchanging, ever-changing, absolute, relative, right here, right now, etc, etc and their true value is in their effectiveness which various from person to person; perhaps, it's the intention behind the words that needs to be discerned by the listener even for ordinary communication to be effective. the Toa that can be named is not it ~ Lao Tzu, one of many translations the intellect like scissors separates and creates confusion; the heart like thread and needle unites and un-creates confusion ~ paraphrased Amma everything I tell you is a lie, in the sense that words are not it ~ paraphrased Adyashanti words are like alarm clocks; you may awaken or roll over and go back to dreaming creation ~ just came to me
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Judy: FWIW, there's an erroneous assumption that because many of the early (and some of the current) quantum physicists were into mysticism, they must have connected quantum physics and mysticism... snip One thing is certain: if the human mind has an effect on even so much as a single particle, the entire ecology of the material universe is affected. When this happens we will be in the first sluggish pangs of a radical change... Read more: Subject: Beyond Quantum - TM Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 19, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/ya9sree Titles of interest: 'Quantum Physics For Dummies' By Steven Holzner For Dummies, 2009 'Quantum Enigma' Physics Encounters Consciousness Bt Bruce Rosenblum Oxford University Press, 2008 'Dr. Quantum's Little Book Of Big Ideas' Where Science Meets Spirit By Fred A. Wolf Moment Point Press, 2005
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Thanks for the references Tex. Strip away the deaming parts, and it's nearly a perfect post! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one, if if all fades to black at the end... TurquoiseB: Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo... So, Turq is a 'TB' (True Believer). Upon death, the individual soul-monad rests in the Tibetan Heaven, the Bardo state, and then after a little while, gets re-born in another human body. The purpose of life is to unite the self with the Self, and to attain Unity Consciousness, a state of enlightened awareness, which gives life meaning. In Turq's religion, God is Karma, a religion Turq read about in a book and/or a spiritual cult guy told him about it. Just speaking for myself, I'm glad Turq finally came out of denial and defined his own spiritual path! Read more: 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' The Great Liberation by Hearing in the Intermediate States By Guru Padmasambhava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism 'Surfing the Himalayas' A Spiritual Adventure By Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Griffin, 1996 http://tinyurl.com/y9c6c8n 'A Separate Reality' Further Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Casteneda Pocket Books, 1973 http://tinyurl.com/ybfh4ym As I suggested earlier, I don't worry about it terribly much. If fade to black turns out to be the reality, what will be there left of me to notice? My belief in reincarnation and the Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo in previous life-death-rebirth cycles, but that could just be imagination AFAIK. The issue in the Tibetan forms of Buddhism that I admire -- as, interestingly, the issue in forms of shamanism or occultism such as those popularized by Carlos Castaneda -- is remarkably pragmatic and liberating IMO. They don't believe that much, if any, thought needs to be given to future lives or what happens after we did. The only thing that matters is this life and what happens *before* we die -- right here, right Now. The only measure of one's evolution or score in terms of karma is (in their view) one's state of attention right here, right Now. How am I doing karmically is literally the same question as What is my current state of attention? In the Tibetan model, based on a belief in rein- carnation, what matters is how much awareness and clarity and compassion one can bring to the moment of one's death. In their view, the more clarity of awareness one brings with them to the Bardo can determine the easiness or uneasiness of that transition, and help determine the nature of the next birth, and how much awareness one gets to start with in it. Interestingly enough, in Yaqui shamanic traditions some of the teachers I've met admit that there might be such a thing as reincarnation, but they choose to never dwell on it or consider it because in their system it is irrelevant. Their idea of a goal in life is the cultivation of awareness (or in their model, personal power) to as great a level as possible, given the length of one's life- time. What happens after that is in their view not relevant; it's a Here And Now kinda study. I resonate with this. While I accept the likelihood of the multi-lifetime model, I don't particularly count on it. Like the Tibetans and like the shamans, my score in this life depends on the state of atten- tion I can wear during my life, not on anything that happens after it. I think this is a preferable 'tude to kicking back and assuming that one has time to work things out in future incarnations if one does not get them handled in this one. With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Movie Recommendation: Expired
I watched this comedy last night and thought it to be very original and funny. It's about two parking enforcement officers that fall in love and stars Samantha Morton, Jason Partric, Teri Garr and Illeana Douglas. Great fun! Shows that good movies can be made in Hollywood though they're few and far between. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0488535/ I watched after watching a dreadful film with Sarah Michelle Gellar and Lee Pace (Pushing Daisies) called Possession. It is a remake of an Asian film so may have to check out the original (if I can).
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) I'm glad you mentioned Glenn Beck because he essentially speaks for people like you. His approach is an example of the kind of grossly distorted right wing propaganda that appeals to people's base fears and whom the right wing depends on to rally an agitated radical voter base. Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. No. Parry refers to a huge organized operation of 'baddies' far more extensive than just the evil Bush lovers. He's talking about a whole orchestrated political machinery. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. That sounds very much to me like unsupported sore loser right wing whining. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. Yes. That's the kind of mentality in denial that Parry is describing. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Apparently the sore loser right wingers can't accept the fact that the American people threw their sorry asses out of power in the last two national elections. They seem to think that Republican conservatism is the only legitimate government possible and are clearly unwilling to function cooperatively within a two Party system. Their only intent is to destroy Democrats and get back into power, just like Parry described. They had their chance with a Republican controlled Congress, a Republican White House and a majority right wing Supreme Court for about eight years - and almost succeeded in destroying the US economy and creating another catastrophic global Great Depression. I really don't think the American people are stupid enough to vote those sorry fucks back into power any time soon. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Leaving Arafat completely out of it, it WAS, after all, Carter who successfully negotiated the hostage release with Iran, not Reagan. SEE: How Hostage Pact Was Forged: Turning Point in September http://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/28/washington/19810128iran.html?pagewanted=all Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left You've been watching too much Glenn Beck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Excellent article, Rick. I doubt the right wingers here will even read it. The title you gave it says it all: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The article Rick posted So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA can be found here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/033110.html [snip to end for brevity]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:20 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0-C= So, Yogic Flying could be an ultrarapid series of Quantum Dislocations?? :D It's more likely an artifact of rapid pranayama, which then one trains in to jerk. Ah, the bubbling bliss! The relationship between hyperventilation and muscle tetany has been known for a long time--so much so that it's reported in Hindu yogic texts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
I've been trying to figure out who/what sgrayatlarge is for some time now, based on his posts here and the things that seem to push his buttons. The best I can come up with is that he appears to be a Zionist redneck with teabag stains on his chin. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
No,Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning- Jonah Goldbert, I highly recommend this book that indeed Beck and others borrow liberally from. Btw, do you watch Beck? Pretty entertaining isn't he? Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Wasn't it also Carter the one who ingnited the whole Jihadi movement with his expert handling of the Iranian hostage crisis? Let's see what will happen this November --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) I'm glad you mentioned Glenn Beck because he essentially speaks for people like you. His approach is an example of the kind of grossly distorted right wing propaganda that appeals to people's base fears and whom the right wing depends on to rally an agitated radical voter base. Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. No. Parry refers to a huge organized operation of 'baddies' far more extensive than just the evil Bush lovers. He's talking about a whole orchestrated political machinery. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. That sounds very much to me like unsupported sore loser right wing whining. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. Yes. That's the kind of mentality in denial that Parry is describing. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Apparently the sore loser right wingers can't accept the fact that the American people threw their sorry asses out of power in the last two national elections. They seem to think that Republican conservatism is the only legitimate government possible and are clearly unwilling to function cooperatively within a two Party system. Their only intent is to destroy Democrats and get back into power, just like Parry described. They had their chance with a Republican controlled Congress, a Republican White House and a majority right wing Supreme Court for about eight years - and almost succeeded in destroying the US economy and creating another catastrophic global Great Depression. I really don't think the American people are stupid enough to vote those sorry fucks back into power any time soon. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Leaving Arafat completely out of it, it WAS, after all, Carter who successfully negotiated the hostage release with Iran, not Reagan. SEE: How Hostage Pact Was Forged: Turning Point in September http://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/28/washington/19810128iran.html?pagewanted=all Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left You've been watching too much Glenn Beck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Excellent article, Rick. I doubt the right wingers here will even read it. The title you gave it says it all: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The article Rick posted So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA can be found here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/033110.html [snip to end for brevity]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:20 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0-C= So, Yogic Flying could be an ultrarapid series of Quantum Dislocations?? :D It's more likely an artifact of rapid pranayama, which then one trains in to jerk. Ah, the bubbling bliss! I suspect card is talking about actual hovering or flying-through-the-air, not hopping. And I suspect Vaj knows this. In any case, it isn't clear what rapid pranayama Vaj could be talking about. As he knows, the only rapid pranayama that's part of TM-Sidhi practice is done for a very short time, before meditation, long before one begins the sutras, let alone gets to the Yogic Flying portion. The relationship between hyperventilation and muscle tetany has been known for a long time--so much so that it's reported in Hindu yogic texts. Here he appears to be referring to bellows breathing, which (as Vaj knows) is *not* part of the Yogic Flying practice (although it may occasionally occur spontaneously for some practitioners; it happens to me once in a while, but by no means before each sequence of hops). In other words: Vaj is attempting to mislead--again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
The ONLY time I've ever watched Glenn Beck was when I knew he was going to do a segment on fascism and how it exists on both the right and left (I agree with that). But his bottom line was: keep the status quo. Probably most of his viewers are too dumb to see that though. He just wants to keep ol' Rupert in power and the grand master feudal landlord. Don't hold your breathe for November. sgrayatlarge wrote: No,Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning- Jonah Goldbert, I highly recommend this book that indeed Beck and others borrow liberally from. Btw, do you watch Beck? Pretty entertaining isn't he? Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Wasn't it also Carter the one who ingnited the whole Jihadi movement with his expert handling of the Iranian hostage crisis? Let's see what will happen this November --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) I'm glad you mentioned Glenn Beck because he essentially speaks for people like you. His approach is an example of the kind of grossly distorted right wing propaganda that appeals to people's base fears and whom the right wing depends on to rally an agitated radical voter base. Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. No. Parry refers to a huge organized operation of 'baddies' far more extensive than just the evil Bush lovers. He's talking about a whole orchestrated political machinery. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. That sounds very much to me like unsupported sore loser right wing whining. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. Yes. That's the kind of mentality in denial that Parry is describing. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Apparently the sore loser right wingers can't accept the fact that the American people threw their sorry asses out of power in the last two national elections. They seem to think that Republican conservatism is the only legitimate government possible and are clearly unwilling to function cooperatively within a two Party system. Their only intent is to destroy Democrats and get back into power, just like Parry described. They had their chance with a Republican controlled Congress, a Republican White House and a majority right wing Supreme Court for about eight years - and almost succeeded in destroying the US economy and creating another catastrophic global Great Depression. I really don't think the American people are stupid enough to vote those sorry fucks back into power any time soon. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Leaving Arafat completely out of it, it WAS, after all, Carter who successfully negotiated the hostage release with Iran, not Reagan. SEE: How Hostage Pact Was Forged: Turning Point in September http://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/28/washington/19810128iran.html?pagewanted=all Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left You've been watching too much Glenn Beck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Excellent article, Rick. I doubt the right wingers here will even read it. The title you gave it says it all: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The article Rick posted So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a
[FairfieldLife] This is what happens when no one takes our Presidents' foreign policy seriously
Putin deepens ties with Chavez on Venezuela visit Apr 2 03:19 PM US/Eastern By FABIOLA SANCHEZ Associated Press Writer CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Russia has offered to help Venezuela set up its own space industry, including a satellite launch site, as Prime Minister Vladimir Putin made his first visit to the South American country on Friday. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced the offer by Russia hours before Putin arrived, saying officials would discuss the possibility of setting up a satellite launcher and a factory. Russia offers help so that Venezuela can have its own industry for the use of its outer space, Chavez said Thursday night. He didn't give details or say how much that might cost. The two countries are also discussing new weapons deals, Chavez said in televised remarks, without giving details. Chavez's government has already bought more than $4 billion in Russian weapons since 2005, including helicopters, fighter jets and 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles. Chavez said last year that Russia agreed to loan Venezuela up to $2.2 billion for additional arms deals. Russian and Venezuelan officials said they planned to sign new agreements for energy projects in Venezuela, as well as industrial, commercial and agriculture projects. Chavez also reiterated that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energya plan he has mentioned previously that has yet to take shape. We aren't going to make an atomic bomb, but we are going to develop atomic energy with peaceful aims, he said. Chavez, whose country is a major oil exporter and OPEC member, says we have to prepare ourselves for the post-oil era. Venezuela also intends to buy two Beriev Be-200 amphibious planes, which are used for dousing blazes, Chavez said. Fires in El Avila national park in the mountains above Caracas have at times blanketed the city with a smoky haze in recent days. Chavez has grown increasingly close to Russia, Iran and China while fiercely criticizing U.S. policies, and his calls for countering U.S. influence to create a multi-polar world have found resonance in Moscow. The U.S. State Department poked fun at Chavez's suggestion that Venezuela may set up a space industry with Russian help. We would note that the government of Venezuela was largely closed this week due to energy shortages, spokesman P.J. Crowley told reporters. To the extent that Venezuela is going to expend resources on behalf of its people, perhaps the focus should be more terrestrial than extraterrestrial. Worsening electricity shortages prompted Chavez's government to decree public holidays throughout this week to save energy. A severe drought has pushed water levels to precarious lows in the dam that supplies most of Venezuela's electricity. Political analysts in Moscow say Russia is drawn to Venezuela because of the its anti-U.S. rhetoric, though business deals have helped cement the growing relationship. The only thing that really unites Russia and Venezuela is that they don't want to see a unipolar world, dominated by the U.S., said Sergei Mikheyev, an analyst at the Center for Political Technologies, adding that President Barack Obama's administration hasn't done enough to lure Moscow away from Caracas. Obama says he is committed to a reset of the U.S. relationship with Russia, but Mikheyev said the Americans haven't compromised with Russia on any significant issue ... so it makes no sense for them (the Russians) to change priorities. Mikheyev noted that the United States has so far failed to react to Russia's plea to cut drug traffic from Afghanistan to Russia's Central Asian borders. Russia has also spent years trying to convince the U.S. to scrap Cold War measures that have restricted U.S.-Russia trade. Venezuela is also a very lucrative arms and technology market, and Mikheyev said without the business involved, the anti-American rhetoric wouldn't be enough to unite Russia and Venezuela. Venezuela and Russia announced a joint venture earlier this week to drill for and process heavy crude oil in eastern Venezuela, saying they expect to start producing 50,000 barrels a day this year and to build an upgrader facility to eventually process about 450,000 barrels a daygiving a significant boost to Venezuela's oil output. As part of Putin's visit, he and Chavez toured the Russian tall ship Kruzenshtern, which is docked in Venezuela on a visit. Chavez chatted with Russian sailors through an interpreter and presented a copy of a sword used by South American independence hero Simon Bolivar, telling Putin he would show him the real sword used by Bolivarthe namesake of Chavez's socialist-inspired Bolivarian Revolution. Putin also visited Bolivar's tomb in Caracas before holding talks in private at the presidential palace.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Thanks Turq, you have a way with words. I'm about as redneck as Charlie Lutes used to be. Yes,I am a Zionist, not all Jews are but you can label me that. As far as the teabag chin reference, well that is going a bit too far, but I support the tea party. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I've been trying to figure out who/what sgrayatlarge is for some time now, based on his posts here and the things that seem to push his buttons. The best I can come up with is that he appears to be a Zionist redneck with teabag stains on his chin. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
The status quo of Liberal Fascism? Have you checked out the left's answer to the Tea Party? The Coffee Party? Speaking of status quo, here is their mission statement: COFFEE PARTY MISSION STATEMENT: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them. I wonder if they would have written this during the Bush years? Cooperate with Government? Ha? Sounds like if one doesn't support the government in a positive way, they will be help accountable. I remember just a few years ago seeing bumper stickers all over the place that read Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism Sounds like a soft form of tyranny to me --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The ONLY time I've ever watched Glenn Beck was when I knew he was going to do a segment on fascism and how it exists on both the right and left (I agree with that). But his bottom line was: keep the status quo. Probably most of his viewers are too dumb to see that though. He just wants to keep ol' Rupert in power and the grand master feudal landlord. Don't hold your breathe for November. sgrayatlarge wrote: No,Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning- Jonah Goldbert, I highly recommend this book that indeed Beck and others borrow liberally from. Btw, do you watch Beck? Pretty entertaining isn't he? Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Wasn't it also Carter the one who ingnited the whole Jihadi movement with his expert handling of the Iranian hostage crisis? Let's see what will happen this November --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) I'm glad you mentioned Glenn Beck because he essentially speaks for people like you. His approach is an example of the kind of grossly distorted right wing propaganda that appeals to people's base fears and whom the right wing depends on to rally an agitated radical voter base. Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. No. Parry refers to a huge organized operation of 'baddies' far more extensive than just the evil Bush lovers. He's talking about a whole orchestrated political machinery. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. That sounds very much to me like unsupported sore loser right wing whining. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. Yes. That's the kind of mentality in denial that Parry is describing. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Apparently the sore loser right wingers can't accept the fact that the American people threw their sorry asses out of power in the last two national elections. They seem to think that Republican conservatism is the only legitimate government possible and are clearly unwilling to function cooperatively within a two Party system. Their only intent is to destroy Democrats and get back into power, just like Parry described. They had their chance with a Republican controlled Congress, a Republican White House and a majority right wing Supreme Court
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Again projection --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I've been trying to figure out who/what sgrayatlarge is for some time now, based on his posts here and the things that seem to push his buttons. The best I can come up with is that he appears to be a Zionist redneck with teabag stains on his chin. Go figure. That seems like a close fit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Btw, didn't the classical Tantra period start around 600-800 AD? Smacks of feudalism to me --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Thanks Turq, you have a way with words. I'm about as redneck as Charlie Lutes used to be. Politically, Charlie always struck me as about as redneck as they come. So I'll take that as a big Yes. :-) Yes,I am a Zionist, not all Jews are but you can label me that. It's been obvious from some of your posts. If you're comfortable with the label, and with the mindset, so be it. Some class Zionists lower than Glenn Beck viewers. :-) As far as the teabag chin reference, well that is going a bit too far, but I support the tea party. I don't think it's going too far to remind the people who appropriated the term teabagging what it really means. It means 1) dipping your nutsack in a sexual partner's mouth, or 2) dangling said nutsack on his/her chin while getting a BJ. Since the Tea Party seems to be all about sucking up (in every sense of the term) to money and those who have it, I commend them on their choice of name. I'm just wondering where you're at, dude. You berate Bharitu thusly: when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity But what is *your* rant below? You stop reading the moment you see the name Arafat, and then spend the rest of your rant ignoring any of the points Robert might have made, and respond only by personally attacking a person whose work you clearly have no knowledge of. What kind of insularity are *you* defining, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've been trying to figure out who/what sgrayatlarge is for some time now, based on his posts here and the things that seem to push his buttons. The best I can come up with is that he appears to be a Zionist redneck with teabag stains on his chin. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
The Arafat reference were towards the end of the article, and if my biases are that apparent then it is what it is. Perhaps others will comment on other parts of Parry's article. I may not be that familiar with Parry, however, I didn't see much new ground covered. I didn't realize you knew so much about the tea party. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Thanks Turq, you have a way with words. I'm about as redneck as Charlie Lutes used to be. Politically, Charlie always struck me as about as redneck as they come. So I'll take that as a big Yes. :-) Yes,I am a Zionist, not all Jews are but you can label me that. It's been obvious from some of your posts. If you're comfortable with the label, and with the mindset, so be it. Some class Zionists lower than Glenn Beck viewers. :-) As far as the teabag chin reference, well that is going a bit too far, but I support the tea party. I don't think it's going too far to remind the people who appropriated the term teabagging what it really means. It means 1) dipping your nutsack in a sexual partner's mouth, or 2) dangling said nutsack on his/her chin while getting a BJ. Since the Tea Party seems to be all about sucking up (in every sense of the term) to money and those who have it, I commend them on their choice of name. I'm just wondering where you're at, dude. You berate Bharitu thusly: when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity But what is *your* rant below? You stop reading the moment you see the name Arafat, and then spend the rest of your rant ignoring any of the points Robert might have made, and respond only by personally attacking a person whose work you clearly have no knowledge of. What kind of insularity are *you* defining, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've been trying to figure out who/what sgrayatlarge is for some time now, based on his posts here and the things that seem to push his buttons. The best I can come up with is that he appears to be a Zionist redneck with teabag stains on his chin. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: No,Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning- Jonah Goldbert, Jonah Goldberg is widely recognized a radical right wing wacko. I highly recommend this book that indeed Beck and others borrow liberally from. Btw, do you watch Beck? Pretty entertaining isn't he? You didn't read what I wrote about Glenn Beck: Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? Wasn't it also Carter the one who ingnited the whole Jihadi movement with his expert handling of the Iranian hostage crisis? That's total nonsense. In fact Reagan SUPPORTED the Muslim radicals in Afghanistan with money and arms. Let's see what will happen this November The pollsters generally agree that the Dems will lose seats in both the Senate and House because the economy [that Obama inherited from the loser Republicans] still has a long way to go to recover, particularly in employment. But pollsters also generally agree that the Dems will likely still retain a majority. We shall see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Robert Parry is a American investigative journalist If that is the case why does he only investigate the right wing? A pretty selective journalistic approach, oh but I know why he does this, because since he is on the left and the left never apologizes for anything, and the fact that all left think that conservatives, Republicans, right wing Beck types are inherintly evil (right Flex?) I'm glad you mentioned Glenn Beck because he essentially speaks for people like you. His approach is an example of the kind of grossly distorted right wing propaganda that appeals to people's base fears and whom the right wing depends on to rally an agitated radical voter base. Too bad in reality Glenn Beck is merely an obscenely high paid snake oil salesman putting on a bizarre exaggeration of the typical right wing BE AFRAID act for the American people still stupid enough to fall for it: - Glenn Beck EXPOSED - Crying On Cue Using Vicks VapoRub under His Eyes - Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g it's really a natural to claim the title of American Investigative Journalist, because in Parry's mind the only baddies out there are the evil Bush lovers. No. Parry refers to a huge organized operation of 'baddies' far more extensive than just the evil Bush lovers. He's talking about a whole orchestrated political machinery. Frankly it's incredibly pathetic and yet the left haven't a clue, since they live in such an insular world where everything thinks the same way and demonize the pitiful right. That sounds very much to me like unsupported sore loser right wing whining. So when I read a Robert Parry who seems to be worshipped, we on the right laugh and will fight you at every step of the way. Yes. That's the kind of mentality in denial that Parry is describing. What does Obama keep saying (apparently he can't answer a question in under 17 minutes these days) Bring it on ? Well, that's exactly what's going to happen. Apparently the sore loser right wingers can't accept the fact that the American people threw their sorry asses out of power in the last two national elections. They seem to think that Republican conservatism is the only legitimate government possible and are clearly unwilling to function cooperatively within a two Party system. Their only intent is to destroy Democrats and get back into power, just like Parry described. They had their chance with a Republican controlled Congress, a Republican White House and a majority right wing Supreme Court for about eight years - and almost succeeded in destroying the US economy and creating another catastrophic global Great Depression. I really don't think the American people are stupid enough to vote those sorry fucks back into power any time soon. Good luck to the Robert Parry's of the world and please keep quoting Arafat. Leaving Arafat completely out of it, it WAS, after all, Carter who successfully negotiated the hostage release with Iran, not Reagan. SEE: How
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? I can. Carter was a religious fundamentalist who had met with MMY while governor of Georgia. There used to be a photo of the meeting floating around. Allegedly, he was on his knees praying before the meeting. My sense was that he was praying for protection, but who knows? Anyway, during his presidential campaign, he told someone close to him that should he win, he'd do everything in his power to interfere with the TM movement. The person he said that to relayed the conversation to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, wife of playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker), who attended TTC in Mallorca. She used to speak at TM conferences and go to residence courses and I got to know her. She told me what Carter's aid (or whoever he was) had told her.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? I can. Carter was a religious fundamentalist who had met with MMY while governor of Georgia. There used to be a photo of the meeting floating around. Allegedly, he was on his knees praying before the meeting. My sense was that he was praying for protection, but who knows? Anyway, during his presidential campaign, he told someone close to him that should he win, he'd do everything in his power to interfere with the TM movement. The person he said that to relayed the conversation to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, wife of playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker), who attended TTC in Mallorca. She used to speak at TM conferences and go to residence courses and I got to know her. She told me what Carter's aid (or whoever he was) had told her. One wonders what Carter's real motivations were? Did he really fear that TM would become the next world religion eclipsing Christianity? That's a laugh though we seem to have some TB'ers who would like to do that. Or did he think it was a conspiracy to take many young folks who could have grown up to be great leaders and distract them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Thanks Turq, you have a way with words. I'm about as redneck as Charlie Lutes used to be. Politically, Charlie always struck me as about as redneck as they come. So I'll take that as a big Yes. :-) Yes,I am a Zionist, not all Jews are but you can label me that. It's been obvious from some of your posts. If you're comfortable with the label, and with the mindset, so be it. Some class Zionists lower than Glenn Beck viewers. :-) And most of those who do are anti-Semites. As far as the teabag chin reference, well that is going a bit too far, but I support the tea party. I don't think it's going too far to remind the people who appropriated the term teabagging what it really means. Teabaggers is a lefty term of derision, not one appropriated by the Tea Party folks. So it's not just going too far, it's outright wrong. (Probably simply ignorant rather than a lie, though.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
And your definition of projection is? sgrayatlarge wrote: Again projection --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Buy an iPad
tartbrain wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Bet Vaj has already ordered his. ;-) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36099232/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets Nope, still haven't gotten over the sucky name. It has to have a chic name for me to buy it. ;-) And as all of us Apple lovers know and cherish, it HAS to be pretty The headlines certainly shows what can happen when you give a bunch of mainstream tech reporters free iPads in advance to review. Can we say payola? I know other companies do it but they usually don't this kind of coverage. The reporters better have to move their secret bank accounts out of Switzerland though. Game changer? Really. Once the fanboys get theirs then the sales will drop off. Lots of competition in the wings and not as expensive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: The status quo of Liberal Fascism? Have you checked out the left's answer to the Tea Party? The Coffee Party? Speaking of status quo, here is their mission statement: COFFEE PARTY MISSION STATEMENT: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them. I wonder if they would have written this during the Bush years? Cooperate with Government? Ha? Ha indeed. Cooperation *in* government is what it says, not cooperate *with* government. Sounds like if one doesn't support the government in a positive way, they will be help accountable. I remember just a few years ago seeing bumper stickers all over the place that read Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism Doesn't dissent involve holding accountable those who obstruct positive solutions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? I can. Carter was a religious fundamentalist who had met with MMY while governor of Georgia. There used to be a photo of the meeting floating around. Allegedly, he was on his knees praying before the meeting. My sense was that he was praying for protection, but who knows? Anyway, during his presidential campaign, he told someone close to him that should he win, he'd do everything in his power to interfere with the TM movement. The person he said that to relayed the conversation to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, wife of playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker), who attended TTC in Mallorca. She used to speak at TM conferences and go to residence courses and I got to know her. She told me what Carter's aid (or whoever he was) had told her. So much for inuendo and gossip. Can anyone directly point to anything specific Carter *actually did* to go after the TM movement? It really sounds like one of the stories of Maharishi's paranoid rants about the CIA.
[FairfieldLife] The Angel of Maintenance
I thought this guna needed a little attention.There is a lot of poetry written on the Angel of Death. Forget him. Steve http://hellopoetry.com/poem/the-angel-of-maintenance/
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
Bhairitu: They hate us for our freedom... So, the words of the 'right' incited violence against Democrats? So, I wonder if Rick was alive back in 1964? That was the year of that really big riot in Harlem, that lasted five days, with 500 injured and many were arrested. The Watts riot in 1965, Detroit and Newark in 1967, Washington, D.C., and 100 other cities in 1968, all bringing troops into American cities. And' you're thinking this was caused by the Republicans? You're not making any sense. These riots were cause by Democrats who wanted to go 'all the way with LBJ.' This was your 'New Left'. Maybe you were much happier back then! Now, all you've got to protest against are the Tea Party protestors. That's it - that's all you've got, a few silly lines on an online forum, trying to make fun of a 'tea party' protest, while your state economy declares itself insolvent! Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
I think Jimmy Carter thought of TM and M as being another potential *Jonestown* situation. Just about all cults took a big hit at that time. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 12:26:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com mailto:FairfieldLi fe%40yahoogroups .com , sgrayatlarge no_re...@.. . wrote: Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? I can. Carter was a religious fundamentalist who had met with MMY while governor of Georgia. There used to be a photo of the meeting floating around. Allegedly, he was on his knees praying before the meeting. My sense was that he was praying for protection , but who knows? Anyway, during his presidential campaign, he told someone close to him that should he win, he'd do everything in his power to interfere with the TM movement. The person he said that to relayed the conversation to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, wife of playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker), who attended TTC in Mallorca. She used to speak at TM conferences and go to residence courses and I got to know her. She told me what Carter's aid (or whoever he was) had told her. One wonders what Carter's real motivations were? Did he really fear that TM would become the next world religion eclipsing Christianity? That's a laugh though we seem to have some TB'ers who would like to do that. Or did he think it was a conspiracy to take many young folks who could have grown up to be great leaders and distract them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
sgrayatlarge: Their is a reason why Fascism started on the left The onus is on Obama to build relationships with minority leaders. Bloomberg - Just 8 percent of Americans want the members of Congress re-elected, according to a CBS News-New York Times poll taken nine months before roughly one-third of the Senate and the entire House face voters... Full story: 'Few Americans Want Members of Congress Re-Elected' By Jonathan D. Salant February 12, 2010
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
carde: So, Yogic Flying could be an ultrarapid series of Quantum Dislocations?? :D Or, parallel planes of existence, simultaneously. Maybe what you experience as moving objects are just momentary thought-instants. I mean, why should we be able to affect the future and not be able to affect the past? Does that make any sense? How far down the rabbit hole do yo want to go? Other questions: Do we really move forward in time? Do things really move around and change from one thing to another thing? So, how do we know if acts are right or not? Is there a moral reciprocity or not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: The Arafat reference were towards the end of the article, and if my biases are that apparent then it is what it is. Perhaps others will comment on other parts of Parry's article. I may not be that familiar with Parry, however, I didn't see much new ground covered. I didn't either. He writes: Washington's conventional wisdom for explaining the intensity of Republican obstructionism toward President Barack Obama breaks down one of two ways: either it's a philosophical disagreement over the role of government or a desperate need to stay in line with a radicalized right-wing base. Not sure who he's been reading, but-- But there is another way to view the GOP political strategy, as neither principled nor reactive to the rantings of Tea Partiers, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. It is that the Republicans are following a playbook that has evolved over more than four decades, to regain power by sabotaging Democratic presidents. --this is what I've been seeing from pretty mainstream Democrats. It's certainly not some new revelation Parry came up with. Here's where he goes WAY off track: Having covered CIA destabilization campaigns in Third World countries, particularly Nicaragua, I was struck by the similarities. In the 1980s, the Reagan-Bush-41 administrations destroyed Nicaragua's leftist Sandinista revolution by systematically making the country ungovernable via a combination of economic dislocations, political/media propaganda, and paramilitary activities. Some *30,000* people died in that conflict. The notion that this was anything like what's been going on in the U.S. is just bonkers. By early fall 1994, the anti-Clinton hysteria was sweeping the country, though Democrats were mostly oblivious to its ferocity. A whole lot of people were oblivious to it. Clinton's approval ratings were evenly split at the time of the '94 election. While some Washington pundits see the Republicans as captives of the extremism on the Right - unable to dismount a dangerous tiger - the counter-analysis would be that the GOP and the Tea Party/militia crowd are just two parts of the same political movement, one inside the system and the other outside, but both working toward the same goal, a restoration of Republican/Right control of government. This *might* work if he hadn't included the militia movement, which shares some GOP goals but is strongly anti-government in general. And extreme fringe groups like the Hutaree, which he attempts to associate with the Republicans, are working for the destruction of government, period. Even the militia groups have backed away from the Hutaree. The militia groups are more concerned with protecting themselves *from* government than with either destroying government or electing any particular party to power. Also, there are plenty of Republicans who *are* trying to dismount the tiger of the Tea Party. I guess my biggest beef with this piece is his scare tactics, invoking a vision of widespread, uncontrolled violence and social breakdown a la Nicaragua, led or at least inspired by the GOP. That's just not even dimly in prospect. He needs to focus more on the spinelessness of the Democrats in Congress and the White House, who are letting the GOP largely get away with this appalling obstructionism, and make the point that the whole standoff, on both sides, is a function of increasing corporate control of the levers of power.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Judy, I read the links and like Penrose's idea that gravity collapses the wave function and results in a solid and fairly stable world. I had even wondered if some huge Consciousness kept things solid - somehow trying to merge the info from our sense with the idea that we create the universe in consciousness! But gravity sounds more rational, for sure. Lanza's biocentrism is based on the Copernican understanding of quantum physics and assumes that if you are not looking at something, it reverts to the wave status and is no longer really there or observable. Just so far out there. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: snip I just finished reading Biocentrism by Robert Lanza. MD. He cites the idea that human awareness of an experiement actually changes the result - an oft-cited idea by New Agers and spiritual folk of many types. In reading a critque of the book, and also talking to a scientist friend, it turns out that the common New Agey notion (which I often quoted in the past) of human awareness having an effect on an experimnent is wrong - at least so far as can be measured now. In the classic quantum experiment, electrons shimmering around a nucleus in a wave form - but not yet collapsed into matter or really locatable - can be affected by any physical interference. Once that interference occurs, they collapse from the wave state into form. But as I understand it (and I could be wrong but this is what scientists are saying) just having someone think about the experiment or the electrons or aware of it, does nothing measurable. Well, it never was just having someone think about the experiment that was said to collapse the wave function; it was specifically having someone look at the measurement apparatus that did it (which may be what you're saying). Supposedly, until somebody looked at it, the measurement apparatus itself was in a superposition of states. There's a good layperson's explanation of the measurement problem by theoretical physicist Shantena Sabbatini here: http://www.shantena.com/media/Thequantummeasurementproblem.pdf Sabbatini has his own interpretation, which preserves the idea that the observer plays a role, but not because the observer collapses the wave function. I can't paraphrase his approach (I can barely grasp it!), but he says the conditions of our knowing make [the world appear classical]. How or if that stands up against what you're talking about, I haven't a clue... Sabbatini, BTW, is a mystic, a Taoist. You really have to interfere in a physical way, and so far human thought alone does not do that. So this misunderstanding of the experiment by New Agers is pretty huge, and to most scientists it looks like spiritual people grasping for confirmation of their beliefs in a domain they don't accurately understand. It's an unwarranted extension of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, that observing the measurement collapses the wave function, which was itself a reasonable guess given the experimental evidence. But it isn't entirely fair to blame the New Agers, because there have been a number of physicists (not just Hagelin!) who have extended it in this manner as well. The experiment about splitting an electron and having each aware of (respionding to) the behavior of the other across huge distances, instantaneously, is true and still puzzling to physicists, from what I have heard. It's part of the same problem, actually. Here's another interesting angle, from Roger Penrose (who argues that neurons in the brain are affected by quantum mechanical processes, incidentally): http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0-C= http://tinyurl.com/yhyeptg He incorporates gravity into quantum mechanics and suggests that gravity is what collapses the wave function.
[FairfieldLife] Civilization evolving - Death penalty decreasing worldwide
Interview: Death penalty decreasing worldwide By Andrew Meldrum http://www.globalpost.com/bio/andrew-meldrum Senior EditorPublished: April 4, 2010 09:50 ET Amnesty International survey shows historic decline in number of countries using judicial executions The U.S. is virtually alone among recognized democracies to use the death penalty. When you look at Texas, the 24 executions there would rank it in the top 10 countries. BOSTON Amnesty International released its annual survey on the use of the death penalty http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGPRE011102010lang=e . The report found 18 countries executed people in 2009. China is estimated to have executed the most people, but refused to release an official figure. In the 17 other countries 714 people were executed. Iran had one of the highest uses of the death penalty in 2009, which is described in a dispatch by Iason Athanasidis http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/middle-east/100310/iran-executions-d\ eath-penalty . GlobalPost asked Joshua Rubenstein, Northeast Regional Director of Amnesty International, about the report on the use of the death penalty worldwide. What is most notable about the new figures on the death penalty? It is interesting to note how confined the death penalty is. Amnesty International has been doing this survey for 30 years. When we started the majority of countries had the death penalty on their books. Judicial execution was widespread. Today 95 countries have abolished the death penalty. Another nine countries have abolished it for ordinary crimes but use it for war-time crimes like treason. A further 35 countries have stopped using the death penalty meaning that they have not executed anyone for 10 years or that they have suspended, if not abandoned, the death penalty. So 139 countries of the 192 in the United Nations have abolished or moved away from the death penalty. This is a historic trend. And there is no question that we have seen a vivid trend away from the death penalty in 2009. In Africa, Burundi and Togo abolished the death penalty. In Europe we saw no executions at all in 2009. Belarus is the only European country to still have the death penalty, and that country did execute someone in the first months of 2010, but Belarus did not execute anyone in 2009. In all the Americas, both North and South, the United States was the only country to use the death penalty. The U.S. executed 52 people in 2009. Of that 24 were in Texas. The use of the death penalty is dwindling. Where is the death penalty being used? China leads the world in executions. Amnesty International has refused to publish an exact figure, because the Chinese government has not given us an official figure, saying that it is a state secret. But we know that thousands have been executed in China. In 2008 China executed at least 1,700 people and it is unlikely that number has gone down. If they are using the death penalty, they should be able to make those figures public. Other countries that do use the death penalty include Iran with 388 by hanging or stoning, Iraq with 120 by hanging, Saudi Arabia with 69 by beheading or crucifixion, and the United States with 52 by lethal injection or electrocution. The U.S. is virtually alone among recognized democracies to use the death penalty. In Asia the death penalty is decreasing. India occasionally executes people but it did not carry any executions out in 2009. Thailand does occasionally execute people and Japan rarely. In sub-Saharan Africa only Botswana and Sudan carried out judicial executions in 2009. Kenya commuted the death sentences of 4,000 prisoners who were on death row. That was the largest commutation of death sentences ever known. When you look at Texas, the 24 executions there would rank it in the top 10 countries. What is the outlook for 2010? Saudi Arabia is about to execute a prisoner, a Lebanese citizen for the crime of sorcery. Amnesty International calls for his release, not just commutation of the death sentence but for his release. In China, people are being executed if they are convicted of economic crimes like theft of state property and corruption. In Iran we saw a big spike in executions between the June 12 elections and the August inauguration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Some 100 people were executed in that eight week period. There is no question that there is a political dimension to the use of the death penalty in Iran and there also is in China. What further changes in the death penalty will Amnesty International press for in the future? We'd like to see the death penalty abolished completely. Short of that goal, we would like to see fair trials for those who do face the death penalties. Often the accused facing the death penalty are poor and do not have good legal representation. We would like to see that all indigent defendants get effective legal counsel and the resources to have a vigorous defense. We would like to see the
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
I've seen that picture as well Rick, including aids with cigarettes. In 1977 on a conference with MMY during the summer siddhis course he called out the CIA on the actual phone call. Were on that call Rick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Didn't Carter go after the TM movement? Sending spies? I used to hear MMY complaining about that a lot in the late 70's. Can you back that up that wacko claim? I can. Carter was a religious fundamentalist who had met with MMY while governor of Georgia. There used to be a photo of the meeting floating around. Allegedly, he was on his knees praying before the meeting. My sense was that he was praying for protection, but who knows? Anyway, during his presidential campaign, he told someone close to him that should he win, he'd do everything in his power to interfere with the TM movement. The person he said that to relayed the conversation to Dr. Margaret Brenman-Gibson, wife of playwright William Gibson (The Miracle Worker), who attended TTC in Mallorca. She used to speak at TM conferences and go to residence courses and I got to know her. She told me what Carter's aid (or whoever he was) had told her.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
This will do Bhairitu Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings. You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! Accusing me of dummy like behavior when I expressed my opinion is pushing it and I can only come up with the conclusion of projection. You are not my parent, so knock it off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And your definition of projection is? sgrayatlarge wrote: Again projection --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA
It was not a projection. I called you a dummy because you don't seem to know history. The history of this country from it's inception has been a battle between a bunch of materialistic fools who though it was their divine right to rule and an intellectual minority that didn't care to accumulate a lot of property (which is a responsibility) or to rule over other (also a responsibility). It therefore is a product of nature. The intellectual set will only take so much from the materialists and then it is war. To the intellectual set the materialists all look like a bunch of vain fools and dangerous ones at that. We have seen what they do to the world and don't like it. If you don't like my criticism then tough shit. sgrayatlarge wrote: This will do Bhairitu Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings. You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! Accusing me of dummy like behavior when I expressed my opinion is pushing it and I can only come up with the conclusion of projection. You are not my parent, so knock it off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And your definition of projection is? sgrayatlarge wrote: Again projection --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I am a tantric feudalist? ROTFL! You behave like a dummy you will be called one. You and Willy can't stand the heat in the kitchen and start whining when any of us turn up the heat. Wuus! sgrayatlarge wrote: The Tantric Feudalist proves my point, when in doubt,attack personally. You define insularity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Nah, that's history you dummy. - Reply message - From: sgrayatlarge no_re...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So-called patriotic Republicans have for over 40 years been the enemies of a democratic USA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Projecting again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 40 years? How 'bout 234 years? They want their feudal society back. They hate us for our freedom. They will make you choose between violence or slavery. Which do you choose? Rick Archer wrote: The following MUST-READ overview is from one of our nation's finest investigative journalists, Robert Parry, and well-describes a chillingly corrupt and profoundly ANTI-DEMOCRATIC movement spawned by fanatic sore losers among the hard right-wing of this country (a right-wing that is terribly and injuriously WRONG on all the major issues of our era, making our nation the worse for it). snip
