[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: The viciousness begins. Where is the 'opinion' here, Barry Baby? Barry suckers punchesthen insists: It's all opinion, folks! The knife goes in. Barrycam: http://tinyurl.com/7p9bl9e LOL :-)
[FairfieldLife] Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
When the craziness of the TMO starts to get to you, or you find yourself shaking your head in disbelief at the off-the-wallness of either Nabby's Benjamin Creme or the antics of the RC cult back in his I can identify the demons within you days, articles like this can put things into perspective. This one reminded me that cults have been around for a long time, and some of the older ones were even weirder than the modern ones. At least the TMO has never promised to fly your soul up Uranus. :-) The lunatic cult that history forgot http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/si\ ngletonA new book tells the story of a bizarre British group that followed the teachings of a former mental patient By Adam Kirsch http://www.salon.com/writer/adam_kirsch/ , Barnes Noble Review http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ [Octavia_AF] In February 1919, a small group of middle-class English women received a life-changing revelation. What they learned, Jane Shaw explains in Octavia, Daughter of God: The Story of a Female Messiah and Her Followers http://click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?mid=36889id=FYUtulI7nw4murl=htt\ p%3A%2F%2Fsearch.barnesandnoble.com%2Fbooksearch%2FISBNInquiry.asp%3FEAN\ %3D%20http://click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?mid=36889id=FYUtulI7nw4mur\ l=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.barnesandnoble.com%2Fbooksearch%2FISBNInquiry.asp%\ 3FEAN%3D9780300176155%26 (Yale), was that Mabel Barltrop, a 53-year-old former mental patient living in the town of Bedford, was the incarnation of God. Mabel, whose late husband had been a priest in the Church of England, announced a new Christian theology, in which the Trinity was replaced by a foursome: God the Father and God the Mother, Jesus the Son and Mabel (or, as her followers began to call her, Octavia) the Daughter. She had come to conquer death and was guaranteed never to die. She had healing powers so strong that if she breathed on water or a piece of linen, it was transformed into a cure for any bodily ailment. Octavia's followers named themselves the Panacea Society, and they advertised her cures widely. Some 70 people came to live near her in communal housing in Bedford, and thousands more around the world wrote in to ask for a piece of the sacred linen. Over the years, Shaw writes, Mabel announced many refinements of her doctrine. She was forbidden to go more than 77 steps from her house; her garden, in Bedford, was the location of the original Garden of Eden; her late husband had been the incarnation of Christ; the souls of the departed were not dead but had flown to the planet Uranus to bide their time until they returned. With no authority beyond her own personality and imagination, Mabel Barltrop created one of the most bizarre and irresistibly comic religions ever to spring from mankind's eternal appetite for God. When Shaw, an Episcopal priest, first encountered the Panacea Society in 2001, it had dwindled down to a handful of surviving members octogenarians still living in Bedford and hoping for Octavia's return. (Contrary to her promise, she died in 1934.) But to Shaw's delight, the communal houses where the members lived had been perfectly preserved for decades, along with all their papers and correspondence. She has drawn on this treasure trove to write not simply a biography of Mabel Barltrop but a life or biography of the community itself. Shaw's sympathetic but hardly credulous account of this experiment in faith reads at times like an extended Monty Python sketch. Yet she argues convincingly that the Panacea Society holds important lessons for the sociology of religion. Concentrating on the first two decades of the Panacea Society's existence, Shaw explains how its extraordinary eccentricity was rooted in and reflected wider British culture. Octavia's preaching of a female-centered Christianity, she shows, fit nicely with the feminism and spiritual experimentation of the period. As a female priest, Shaw is especially sensitive to the liberation the Panacean women must have felt at seeing Mabel don a priest's stole and celebrate Communion. Yet the real fascination of the book comes from the way the Panaceans' lunacy coexisted with a prim bourgeois respectability. Many of Octavia's dictates had to do with the proper way to behave at table and how to throw a good lawn party. She was a good Tory who abhorred the Bolsheviks and the Labor Party, and believed implicitly in the British Empire and the superiority of the white race. Even in its decrepitude, Shaw writes, the Panacea Society remains madly practical. The last members fully expect Jesus to return to Bedford soon, and they have a house prepared for him to live in. It's currently occupied, they explain to Shaw, but the tenants are on two months' notice. http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/ http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: When the craziness of the TMO starts to get to you, or you find yourself shaking your head in disbelief at the off-the-wallness of either Nabby's Benjamin Creme or the antics of the RC cult back in his I can identify the demons within you Demons ? Leave those to the Christian fundamentalists and your Buddhist friend Vaj who sees them in the most unlikely places :-)
[FairfieldLife] Shucks: Nokia blew it again?
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/10/swedish-mobile-awards-2011-makes-n9-as-the-phone-of-the-year-among-other-first-places/ But Microsoft wont let Nokia sell too many N9's (Android)??
[FairfieldLife] Spokensanskrit!
http://spokensanskrit.de/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spokensanskrit!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://spokensanskrit.de/ http://spokensanskrit.de/sandhi_php/sandhi_trainer.php You can teach yourself Sanskrit sandhi by using English expressions, e.g: I am You are He is We are etc, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spokensanskrit!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://spokensanskrit.de/ http://spokensanskrit.de/sandhi_php/sandhi_trainer.php You can teach yourself Sanskrit sandhi by using English expressions, e.g: I am You are He is We are etc, etc. How is Terho doing ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:44 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: *When the craziness of the TMO starts to get to you, or you find yourself shaking your head in disbelief at the off-the-wallness of either Nabby's Benjamin Creme or the antics of the RC cult back in his I can identify the demons within you days, articles like this can put things into perspective. This one reminded me that cults have been around for a long time, and some of the older ones were even weirder than the modern ones. At least the TMO has never promised to fly your soul up Uranus. :-)* The lunatic cult that history forgothttp://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/singleton A new book tells the story of a bizarre British group that followed the teachings of a former mental patient I don't find this strange at all. What I found strange was having to get your compass out before meditating. Scraping your tongue, shaving, slathering your body with oil all after eating your stewed apple. Pulling out your compass to figure out which direction to do asanas, pranayam, meditation and the sidhis. Making sure your head was ever in the right direction when you rested or slept. Having your food grown and prepared by sidhas, transforming your food with special prayers before eating it. Keeping track of the time so you could change the Ghandarva CD or tape at just the right moment. This was a real problem at night, since you tended to sleep then. Buy a timeshare on MIU or face certain demise. Have a pundit blow in your ear and then into a bottle of spring water, which spring water you replenished before it emptied so the Woo Woo would propagate from old to new water. I sometimes wondered what would happen if I poured the contents of the water into the toilet in New York City. Would there be giant, stoned alligators cured of some malady because the water they swam in was infused with Woo Woo?Would all the marajuana growing in the sewers the alligators fed off of grow with special qualities? Would I be struck down by lightening if I smelled the flowers or blew out the incense? I could go on and on.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:44 AM, turquoiseb no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: *When the craziness of the TMO starts to get to you, or you find yourself shaking your head in disbelief at the off-the-wallness of either Nabby's Benjamin Creme or the antics of the RC cult back in his I can identify the demons within you days, articles like this can put things into perspective. This one reminded me that cults have been around for a long time, and some of the older ones were even weirder than the modern ones. At least the TMO has never promised to fly your soul up Uranus. :-)* http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/sin\ gleton http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/si\ ngleton I don't find this strange at all. What I found strange was having to get your compass out before meditating. Scraping your tongue, shaving, slathering your body with oil all after eating your stewed apple. Pulling out your compass to figure out which direction to do asanas, pranayam, meditation and the sidhis. Making sure your head was ever in the right direction when you rested or slept. Having your food grown and prepared by sidhas, transforming your food with special prayers before eating it. Keeping track of the time so you could change the Ghandarva CD or tape at just the right moment. This was a real problem at night, since you tended to sleep then. Buy a timeshare on MIU or face certain demise. Have a pundit blow in your ear and then into a bottle of spring water, which spring water you replenished before it emptied so the Woo Woo would propagate from old to new water. I sometimes wondered what would happen if I poured the contents of the water into the toilet in New York City. Would there be giant, stoned alligators cured of some malady because the water they swam in was infused with Woo Woo?Would all the marajuana growing in the sewers the alligators fed off of grow with special qualities? Would I be struck down by lightening if I smelled the flowers or blew out the incense? I could go on and on. Good point. There is strange, and then there is strange. I may no longer find spiritual teachers/healers/charlatans themselves interesting, but I never cease to be fascinated by the things their followers come to believe as if they were not only Truth Incarnate, but Truth that makes the believers better or more highly evolved because they know it, and the non-believers don't. In retrospect, I think that a lot of this phenomenon has to do with charisma. Even a crazy person can be charismatic, and for those who have fallen under the sway of such a person, continuing to believe the stuff they say may after a time feel preferable to going back to being around normal, boring, non-charismatic people. A lot of it has to do with indoctrination over time. That is, in the early days of one's participation in a cult, the odd things one is asked to believe are often minor, such as that it's better to face a certain direction when meditating. Given a few years, the odd things have escalated such that True Believers are now terrified to enter a building from the wrong direction or have electricity in their homes because both produce Bad Woo. The third aspect of how such beliefs grow, of course, is group mind. Only a small percentage of the teachings of a cultic group are actually delivered in lectures or books; the majority of them come from osmosis, being around a group of people who all believe the same things, because they've seen others do them and heard others talk about them all around them. If everyone around you is terrified to enter a building from the wrong direction, you're not going to think it's as crazy as if you were living in a normal community. But the fourth aspect of all of this is the one that IMO is potentially the most damaging in the long run. People who have fallen for one charlatan's BS tend to be more likely to open their hearts, minds, and wallets to other charlatans. Just look at the number of hucksters who religiously make Fairfield a prime stop on their tours. Why? Well, duh. They know the town is full of people who have paid tens of thousands of dollars (or more) on one set of promised benefits and cures, and are thus more likely to pay similar amounts of money for *their* promised benefits and cures than other people. It's literally gotten so ludicrous that there are people out there giving darshan via Skype. Worse, there are people so gullible that they pay for it. With all of this in mind, I don't think we can be all that hard on a bunch of English women who got off on hearing that Christ *and* his co-savior Octavia were here to save the special people who recognized them for what they really were. That's SO much more comforting to believe and self-importance enabling than believing that you're worshiping a former mental
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:44 AM, turquoiseb no_reply@...: *When the craziness of the TMO starts to get to you, or you find yourself shaking your head in disbelief at the off-the-wallness of either Nabby's Benjamin Creme or the antics of the RC cult back in his I can identify the demons within you days, articles like this can put things into perspective. This one reminded me that cults have been around for a long time, and some of the older ones were even weirder than the modern ones. At least the TMO has never promised to fly your soul up Uranus. :-)* http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/sin\ gleton http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_lunatic_cult_that_history_forgot/si\ ngleton I don't find this strange at all. What I found strange was having to get your compass out before meditating. Scraping your tongue, shaving, slathering your body with oil all after eating your stewed apple. Pulling out your compass to figure out which direction to do asanas, pranayam, meditation and the sidhis. Making sure your head was ever in the right direction when you rested or slept. Having your food grown and prepared by sidhas, transforming your food with special prayers before eating it. Keeping track of the time so you could change the Ghandarva CD or tape at just the right moment. This was a real problem at night, since you tended to sleep then. Buy a timeshare on MIU or face certain demise. Have a pundit blow in your ear and then into a bottle of spring water, which spring water you replenished before it emptied so the Woo Woo would propagate from old to new water. I sometimes wondered what would happen if I poured the contents of the water into the toilet in New York City. Would there be giant, stoned alligators cured of some malady because the water they swam in was infused with Woo Woo?Would all the marajuana growing in the sewers the alligators fed off of grow with special qualities? Would I be struck down by lightening if I smelled the flowers or blew out the incense? I could go on and on. Good point. There is strange, and then there is strange. I may no longer find spiritual teachers/healers/charlatans themselves interesting, but I never cease to be fascinated by the things their followers come to believe as if they were not only Truth Incarnate, but Truth that makes the believers better or more highly evolved because they know it, and the non-believers don't. In retrospect, I think that a lot of this phenomenon has to do with charisma. Even a crazy person can be charismatic, and for those who have fallen under the sway of such a person, continuing to believe the stuff they say may after a time feel preferable to going back to being around normal, boring, non-charismatic people. A lot of it has to do with indoctrination over time. That is, in the early days of one's participation in a cult, the odd things one is asked to believe are often minor, such as that it's better to face a certain direction when meditating. Given a few years, the odd things have escalated such that True Believers are now terrified to enter a building from the wrong direction or have electricity in their homes because both produce Bad Woo. The third aspect of how such beliefs grow, of course, is group mind. Only a small percentage of the teachings of a cultic group are actually delivered in lectures or books; the majority of them come from osmosis, being around a group of people who all believe the same things, because they've seen others do them and heard others talk about them all around them. If everyone around you is terrified to enter a building from the wrong direction, you're not going to think it's as crazy as if you were living in a normal community. But the fourth aspect of all of this is the one that IMO is potentially the most damaging in the long run. People who have fallen for one charlatan's BS tend to be more likely to open their hearts, minds, and wallets to other charlatans. Just look at the number of hucksters who religiously make Fairfield a prime stop on their tours. Why? Well, duh. They know the town is full of people who have paid tens of thousands of dollars (or more) on one set of promised benefits and cures, and are thus more likely to pay similar amounts of money for *their* promised benefits and cures than other people. It's literally gotten so ludicrous that there are people out there giving darshan via Skype. Worse, there are people so gullible that they pay for it. With all of this in mind, I don't think we can be all that hard on a bunch of English women who got off on hearing that Christ *and* his co-savior Octavia were here to save the special people who recognized them for
[FairfieldLife] OMG: devanaagarii?
(a) The correct name for the Sanskrt alphabet is Daivanágarîsometimes abbreviated into Nágari. Perhaps in the wordDevanágari we have a history of the times when the Aryans entered and settled in Northern India. The Aryans who weremuch fairer in colour than the aborigines of India are theDevas referred to in the name Devanagari (from 'div' to shine,those of a brilliant complexion); and Nagari means the Aryansettlements within the precincts of which the sacred languagewas spoken. - M.R. Kale, A Higher Sanskrit Grammar, p. 1
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it. Good, glad to hear that. If it furthers your getting over it I can tell you that I also had sex while on Purusha. The girls didn't mind, Maharishi didn't mind so all was splendid. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Excellent! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it. Good, glad to hear that. If it furthers your getting over it I can tell you that I also had sex while on Purusha. The girls didn't mind, Maharishi didn't mind so all was splendid. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:43 AM, cardemaister wrote: Sorry, but that seems like rubbish to me. IMO, the basic element of that category of biija mantras seems to be 'agni' read backwards: 'inga'. If the first/final a-sound is only implied, like in 'agni' (agniH/agnim/agninaa, etc) for some sandhi positions,([a]gni/ing[a]), it might make that basic element even more effective?? :o http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/164856 And meaning is vitally important, the idea of meaningless sounds is quite simply, a lie. One of my favorite mantra dictionaries is the Mantrarthabhidanam from the Varada Tantra. It's first verse quotes Shiva, directly communicating to his counterpart, Parameshsvari: Sri Shiva said: Listen Oh Parameshsvari! Now I shall describe to you the meaning of Mantras. In the absence of any knowledge of which no one can get siddhi, even with a million sadhanas. Pretty clear, huh! What makes it so special is the clarity with which it describes the TM mantras. For example, another level of the TM mantra Shreeng is Sa (the first letter) indicates Mahalakshmi, Repha (the guttural whirring of the R-sound) OMG! Must admit I've never heard or read that repha is a *guttural* sound! Mr. Kale (AHSG) calls repha[1] a lingual semivowel. Sez Kale (1894): The linguals are called cerebrals in some European grammars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_consonant My wild preliminary hypothesis goes like this: Classifying 'repha' as a guttural sound might well be for instance a Tantric classification, reflecting perhaps the original Aryan Siberian (nowadays Russian, yikes!) Shamanic/Nomadic pronunciation of that sound ;-) 1. All other names of Sanskrit sounds can have the word 'kaara' (maker) added to them: a = a or akaara i = i or ikaara t = ta or takaara p = pa or pakaara, and so on. As opposed to that, the r-sound is called only 'ra' or 'repha'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 11/08/2011 08:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: The unemployment rate for males between 25 and 34 years old with high-school diplomas is 14.4%蓉p from 6.1% before the downturn four years ago and far above today's 9% national rate. The picture is even more bleak for slightly younger men: 22.4% for high-school graduates 20 to 24 years old. That's up from 10.4% four years ago... 'Generation Jobless: Young Men Suffer Worst as Economy Staggers' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/bqd46lf It's the result of the previous 8 years of the Bush Crime Family and a program of the destruction of the US that began with Ronny Raygun. That's why the Republicons ran jokes for 2008 and will do so again in 2012. They don't want the collapse on their watch. How's that workin' for ya, Bubba? But our affirmative action president is not at all presidential. There's a lot a president can do just be uniting his people and inspiring them. I don't attribute our problems to polarization of the people. I attribute them to our president not being able to inspire people to go above and beyond mere politics as usual with each side frozen in its own world view. OK, now without struggling and stuttering, take two minutes and tell us what our president stands for and what vision of the future of America Obama's united and inspired us with.
[FairfieldLife] Happy 11/11/11
From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. There are exactly 50 days until Christmas, while the eleventh day of the eleventh month marks the day Germany signed an armistice with the Allies in the forest of Compiègne, France, ending the First World War. Speaking to the Washington Post, numerologist Vikki MacKinnon said she expected a cosmic wake-up call http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop . Eleven is a number of illumination and enlightenment, a number of insight, blinding flashes of the obvious, and a number of transformation http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html , she said. I think really good things will come out of tomorrow. Around the world, the superstitious are taking advantage of the day's apparent magical qualities. Marjaneh Peyrovan plans to buy 11 lottery tickets while fans of the film This Is Spinal Tap are planning to pay homage to guitarist Nigel Tufnel, whose amp went up to 11 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/spinal-tap-nigel-tufnel-day_n_\ 1082911.html . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy 11/11/11
On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. And all within the first 13 years. Imagine that. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. Figures. There's gotta be an Indian PT Barnum out there to make a killing with idiots like that. Oh, wait a minute... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation, explains Colin. Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their usual groups of 20-50 people. This effect even has an impact upon others who are not involved, Colin believes. Mothers learning meditation have noticed how their children begin to behave better and school teachers see the same effect on their classes. This is because consciousness, the silent level of the mind, is a single, unified field, known experientially by the yogis of India for thousands of years and now inferred from the discoveries of quantum physics. Or, as the yogis have always said, we are all waves on the ocean of being. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4608 - Release Date: 11/10/11
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it. Good, glad to hear that. If it furthers your getting over it I can tell you that I also had sex while on Purusha. The girls didn't mind, Maharishi didn't mind so all was splendid. :-) Did Maharishi know about it? Wasn't celibacy supposed to be an essential aspect of Purusha?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Monkees Fan Club metaphor
Thank you for prompting me to look at this again The Word of God shines bright in human form, And thus we shine with him, Building up the limbs of his beautiful body. (Verbum dei clarescit in forma hominis, Et ideo fulgemus cum illo, Edificantes membra sui pulcri corporis) Kéeps gráce: thát keeps all his goings graces; Acts in God's eye what in God's eye he is Chrístfor Christ plays in ten thousand places, Lovely in limbs, and lovely in eyes not his To the Father through the features of men's faces. That final metaphor in the poem is an intensive one introducing both the metaphor of 'play' (seems the verb 'plays' here is intransitive ) in something, as well as the further one of doing so under the approving eyes of a father (play 'to like in a rap, in music-' interestingly not 'for' the Father ) The earlier version of the last two lines in Hopkins's poem was : Lives in limbs, and looks through eyes not his With lovely yearning Using the earlier imagery (Lives in limbs, and looks through eyes not his With lovely yearning ), however, can help us towards the basic idea in Hopkins's poem - that the presence of Hopkins's Christ may be found in play in other human beings, and so guided towards the Father. ... just a playful thoughtforgive me only the thought of something bright and precise, that must have somehow zigzagging back to the sky, its image too soon blurred to an idea after you open your prayerful hands to see what you have caught, that has been tickling your palms with wings or feeler reading your postings The Large Family 1963 Rene Magritte --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: lol You MZ lives in limbs, And looks through eyes not yours With lovely yearning? Keeps grace, (abiding in the sanctifying grace): that keeps all his goings graces? And denying now the instressness, the shaping force within creatures of nature and art at FFL, in contradiction to your previous insistence that inscape was the essence of the postings at FFL landscape by quoting Hopkins then and there? Then and there the inscaped landscape markedly holding its most simple and beautiful oneness up from the ground through a graceful swerve below the spring of the branches up to the tops of the FFL timber. I saw the inscape freshly, as if my mind were still growing, though now the eye and the ear are for the most part shut. And instress, the doing-be of turquoiseb(ee) the positing or pitching of his whole self in his selving act of artistic will and thisness... now cannot come. Is there is one notable dead tree . . ? [:D] Verbum dei clarescit in forma hominis, Et ideo fulgemus cum illo, Edificantes membra sui pulcri corporis. Hildegard von Bingen: Ordo Virtutem Dear Merudanda, This whole post must be about one of the most thoughtful and intensely interesting posts I have read at FFL. I am not sure whether this is the moment to go deeply into what you say here; but I will tell you that in making your remarks assume the form of poetry you haveI am speaking here of this particular instance of someone concentrating and compressing words such that the meaning yielded by this act, strikes out and bursts inside of mebent the 'malady of the quotidian' [WS]: the helplessness and habit of ordinary unalive realityand created a context of sincerity and truth which goes directly to my soul. You have this beautiful habit of charging your posts with a kind of poetic imperative, and this makes the act of interpretation more demanding and surprising for the conscientious reader who would follow you to where you begin your self-revelations. You seem a quite fascinating and loving human beingalthough in saying this I have no idea about who you are, even whether you are a woman or a man. But this gift you have, to make language radiate something more than the denotative, it is something close to wonderful. Believe me, it is appreciated. Because, although I will not do justiceat least in this postto all of what you have given to me here, you will have to know that all that you have written has been almost as transporting as finding a new Hopkins poem. As for the specific interpretation you have put upon certain passages from GMH's poems, I will only say at this time that it seems (for this reader at least) you have read him right. The whole notion of Hopkins's idea of the self was that Christ had become a human being [that is, to say, God has become one of his creatures), and in having done so, he made it possible for a certain kind of individuation to take place within every human being who came under the grace of the Incarnation. And the limits of this happened at the point where the very actions of the individual could be informed by the grace of Christ, and thus the individuality of that person participated in the reality of Christ as a human being. This sets up more or less all that you say here. Now, Merudanda, I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shucks: Nokia blew it again?
On 11/11/2011 02:19 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/10/swedish-mobile-awards-2011-makes-n9-as-the-phone-of-the-year-among-other-first-places/ But Microsoft wont let Nokia sell too many N9's (Android)?? With Microsoft it's about software patents most of which should have NEVER been granted. Yes, MS is angry because Android has stolen their thunder. Tough, MS had years to get it right before Android showed up and they didn't. MS is a very staid company. I wish Apple would do what Jobs wouldn't and that is make their OS available on any machine. But they probably won't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy 11/11/11
On 11/11/2011 07:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its titlehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. Then there is 11/11/11: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015261/ Which is an Asylum film which is a modern day grindhouse company. Syfy must have passed on it but Redbox didn't and has it as coming soon.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
On 11/11/2011 07:33 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 11/08/2011 08:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: The unemployment rate for males between 25 and 34 years old with high-school diplomas is 14.4%蓉p from 6.1% before the downturn four years ago and far above today's 9% national rate. The picture is even more bleak for slightly younger men: 22.4% for high-school graduates 20 to 24 years old. That's up from 10.4% four years ago... 'Generation Jobless: Young Men Suffer Worst as Economy Staggers' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/bqd46lf It's the result of the previous 8 years of the Bush Crime Family and a program of the destruction of the US that began with Ronny Raygun. That's why the Republicons ran jokes for 2008 and will do so again in 2012. They don't want the collapse on their watch. How's that workin' for ya, Bubba? But our affirmative action president is not at all presidential. There's a lot a president can do just be uniting his people and inspiring them. I don't attribute our problems to polarization of the people. I attribute them to our president not being able to inspire people to go above and beyond mere politics as usual with each side frozen in its own world view. OK, now without struggling and stuttering, take two minutes and tell us what our president stands for and what vision of the future of America Obama's united and inspired us with. Didn't say Obama was any good either. I think we are beyond the point that political parties can do anything. We just need another revolution or Revolution 2.0. When you have crazies with way too money who believe they're doing God's work then you need some really big change and that might be change at the point of a gun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shucks: Nokia blew it again?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/11/2011 02:19 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/10/swedish-mobile-awards-2011-makes-n9-as-the-phone-of-the-year-among-other-first-places/ But Microsoft wont let Nokia sell too many N9's (Android)?? With Microsoft it's about software patents most of which should have NEVER been granted. Yes, MS is angry because Android has stolen their thunder. Tough, MS had years to get it right before Android showed up and they didn't. MS is a very staid company. My brother -- who wisely turned down a lucrative consulting gig with Microsoft just before, in a fit of spiteful aus- terity measures, they fired 80% of the group he'd have been working with (and thus fired with) -- tells me not to expect much from the Windows 8 documentation. It'll be crappy because they fired all but a few of the people writing it, leaving too few to do it well. Kinda shows ya what they think of its value, and of their customers', doesn't it? :-) I wish Apple would do what Jobs wouldn't and that is make their OS available on any machine. But they probably won't. I wish they would, too. I love my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy 11/11/11
On 11/11/2011 07:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its titlehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. There are exactly 50 days until Christmas, while the eleventh day of the eleventh month marks the day Germany signed an armistice with the Allies in the forest of Compiègne, France, ending the First World War. Speaking to the Washington Post, numerologist Vikki MacKinnon said she expected a cosmic wake-up call http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop . Eleven is a number of illumination and enlightenment, a number of insight, blinding flashes of the obvious, and a number of transformation http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html , she said. I think really good things will come out of tomorrow. Around the world, the superstitious are taking advantage of the day's apparent magical qualities. Marjaneh Peyrovan plans to buy 11 lottery tickets while fans of the film This Is Spinal Tap are planning to pay homage to guitarist Nigel Tufnel, whose amp went up to 11 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/spinal-tap-nigel-tufnel-day_n_\ 1082911.html . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs And in Merika it is Veterans Day which didn't used to get much flourish but they've been making a big deal of it the last couple years. Guess it's because Merika's primary industry is now war.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
Invite them to Occupy the Domes. This is fabulous. Is just like what happens in Fairfield everyday. 7:30am and 5pm and more. These people should be invited to join the numbers here. Either inside the Domes or out in the parking lots. The science clearly seems to indicate that it would be good for the world. All we are saying is give peace a chance. Peace, -Buck Ph7 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation, explains Colin. Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their usual groups of 20-50 people. This effect even has an impact upon others who are not involved, Colin believes. Mothers learning meditation have noticed how their children begin to behave better and school teachers see the same effect on their classes. This is because consciousness, the silent level of the mind, is a single, unified field, known experientially by the yogis of India for thousands of years and now inferred from the discoveries of quantum physics. Or, as the yogis have always said, we are all waves on the ocean of being. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy 11/11/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/11/2011 07:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its titlehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. Then there is 11/11/11: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015261/ Which is an Asylum film which is a modern day grindhouse company. Syfy must have passed on it but Redbox didn't and has it as coming soon. Don't hold your breath. I saw it -- mainly because it's partly set in Barcelona and I was feeling homesick -- and can't really recommend it. Much too heavy-handed with the religious apocalypse thang, telegraphing its ending reels before it should have.
[FairfieldLife] Gone Mental (was Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK)
Dear Steve, Sorry about the unhappy ending. I looked in on the second period, thinking to myself: seventhray1 is there somewhere in the crowed; I wonder if I can pick up his individual consciousness based upon what I have imprinted of him at FFL? But couldn't find you:-) But it was interesting to know that someone from FFL was present there watching the usually wretched Maple Leafs punish the Cardinals for their glorious feat. I don't suppose you saw any of the World Series, else you would have told us. Hope your daughter got to the bottom of Cassius and Brutus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Good stuff. Now I'm off to see the Blues play the Maple Leafs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Gone Mental (was Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So the time may be approach- ing in which I'm not gonna find anything posted here inter- esting enough to reply to. It's all been done to death and argued endlessly *in exactly the same words* for decades now. SO been there, done that. We are not worthy! Some are more worthy than others. :-) Actually, I think if Barry wanted to be honest about it, his posting here is more akin to what we probably all did at least once or twice when we were eight year olds - namely ringing someone's door bell and then running away. I mean, sheesh, if you are into pushing peoples buttons, why not stick around every once in a while instead of going and hiding behind a tree. Barry Wright: Why bother? Everything I need to know about who got their buttons pushed and how severely they got pushed is visible in Yahoo's Message View. Santa Claus: Barry, Baby, you are asserting something without any feel for the way it is playing in reality. This is called perfect subjective dislocation from the necessary feedback which the universe is giving you. Get it, Barry? When you blow your nose on your sleeve, there is some mucus there which, if you want to still look pretty, you have to remove. You can't just say: The Kleenex idea, it's just an opinion. My sleeve is just as good an absorber of my snot as your bloody Kleenex. I don't need no fucking KleenexYou wimps. I blow my snot on myself and you guys offer me a Kleenex: Hey, I guess I pressed your button once more! Barry Wright: And I thought I stated quite explicitly that I don't feel I owe anyone here anything. Not a response to something they post, and certainly not an argument or an impassioned defense of something I said. Santa Claus: If you tell us, Barry, that ice-cream tastes good because of the placebo effect, we are not exercised about this. It don't bother us ice-cream eaters that much. Even though you used to be one of those who licked down to the bottom and then ate the cone. The deliciousness of ice-cream: just so you know, everyone: That was trained moodmaking. Maybe. Maybe not. But if in trying to tell us ice-cream just tasted good because we were told it was good, then it isn't really a matter of opinion, Barry: it is a matter of negative wish-fulfillment. It is not a question of opinion. It is a question of the sensation in your mouth. For some reason you tasted a different brand of ice-cream [by the way, I stopped eating that damn ice-cream myselfnot good for me; still I don't say it didn't go down good with me at the time]and then found yourself having to kill off the old ice-cream memories. But your ice-cream makeryour second onedidn't he choke to death on one of his own cones? My opinion, maybe; but if he's not sending you any e-mails, and can't be located anywhere, maybe it's not an opinion. Your last Guru, Barry: he's dead. That's my strongest opinion. You aren't, are youmerely giving your opinions when you get your hate on about someone on FFL, are you, Barry boy? Opinions mean some absence of knowledge. But you, surely if you were only expressing opinions in your hatred, would have to question the truthfulness of these opinions. And since you give us your opinions about, say, the geocentric reality of the universe, us Galileos, have to set you right: the universe is not Barry-centric; it is, as far as we can tellscientists will back this up with their opinionsheliocentric. Is Sati merely a matter of opinion, Barry? Should a woman be obliged to throw herself upon her husband's funeral pyre? Is your hatred of Judy mere opinion? Do you hold your views to be opinions only? How can an opinion generate intense feelings of hostility? And why, Barry dearest, do you ever refuse to argue out your case? Barry, if you expressed your attitude and beliefs *as if you knew when you stated them* they were just opinions, and they held only
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Monkees Fan Club metaphor
Dear Merudanda, I actually missed this postbut suspected it existed when I read your second post addressed to me. Now I have found it, I feel even more drawn to responding to you; and I will. I have no choice, and I am going to enjoy this exercise. I probably will have toto even begin to do justice to yougo line by line. What is it about you, Merudanda, that compels you to 'create' as you write; and not merely give us informationor, as the good man Barry Wright insists, offer up only opinion? You always come in colours, and the ground moves just a little underneath my feet. Do you illustrate children's books for a living, or something? maskedzebra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: lol You MZ lives in limbs, And looks through eyes not yours With lovely yearning? Keeps grace, (abiding in the sanctifying grace): that keeps all his goings graces? And denying now the instressness, the shaping force within creatures of nature and art at FFL, in contradiction to your previous insistence that inscape was the essence of the postings at FFL landscape by quoting Hopkins then and there? Then and there the inscaped landscape markedly holding its most simple and beautiful oneness up from the ground through a graceful swerve below the spring of the branches up to the tops of the FFL timber. I saw the inscape freshly, as if my mind were still growing, though now the eye and the ear are for the most part shut. And instress, the doing-be of turquoiseb(ee) the positing or pitching of his whole self in his selving act of artistic will and thisness... now cannot come. Is there is one notable dead tree . . ? [:D] Verbum dei clarescit in forma hominis, Et ideo fulgemus cum illo, Edificantes membra sui pulcri corporis. Hildegard von Bingen: Ordo Virtutem --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: The Barry Wright Syndrome Barry decides he has a point of view about somethinge.g. Puja is trained moodmaking; persons on FFL are all bigoted Monkees Fan Club members. He then asserts that his point of view must be the equivalent of reality. But you see, he never conceives of the responsibility he has to prove this, or at least even try to make his case. No, Barry is a kind of totalitarian of the mind: he insists on the truth of his point of view, without seemingly any capacity or even inclination to convince even himself that what he says is true. This is a strange phenomenon; asserting something is the case, but refusing to argue it out as if there is any process [implicit in stating a strong opinion/judgment] whereby one has any obligation to demonstrate the reasonableness much less the truth of one's point of view. It is quite incredible to me. Barry, from within his highly charged emotional reactiveness, dreams up concepts and ideas which then can serve the purpose of expressing his own disillusionment, bitterness, cynicism. Barry feels entitled to say something is a certain way, and he never thinks: I must really experience this is true; or even: do I really believe that reality will somehow, either in the articulation of my point of view, or in the culmination of having expressed it, corroborate this opinion? But no, it all comes out of his uncontrollable need to lash out, to ridicule, to sneer, and to make the world over in the image of his own experience of being Barry Wright. I mean, certainly every idea and opinion that Barry expresseswe are mostly talking here about matters pertaining to TM, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the TM Movement: i.e. what has first drawn us into posting at FFLis worth considering, examined objectively; but the problem is this: Barry drags in his negative emotionalityI suppose he is oblivious to thisand lets that drive his opinion. So that whattake this post herehappens is that someone has said: Your mother is ugly and she behaves like a whore. The child of the woman who has thus been so characterized wonders: Is my mother really that unattractive, and is she prostituting herself? But Barry never lays out his case against the woman. He merely repeats his insult, and then proceeds to actthrough what follows in his postas if this description of the person does not need explanation or defence; Barry Wright has said it; that is enough to make it true. Now if Barry would assert something is the case; and then follow it out as so we could understand how Barry became convinced in himself that what he is asserting is true, we would be in a position to assess the merits of his point of view. But as it is, Barry compulsively, reflexively ignores even the theoretical possibility that there is data contradictory to his point of view; he merely ignores the very idea of another, competing point of view. Barry is thus selectively biased in this sense: Barry decides it serves his psychological needs to believe a certain thing is one way;
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest Invite them to Occupy the Domes. This is fabulous. Is just like what happens in Fairfield everyday. 7:30am and 5pm and more. These people should be invited to join the numbers here. Either inside the Domes or out in the parking lots. The science clearly seems to indicate that it would be good for the world. All we are saying is give peace a chance. Peace, -Buck Ph7 A Ph 7 would make you neutral, like water. Are people actually meditating in the parking lots? It's in the 20's now, mornings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spokensanskrit!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://spokensanskrit.de/ http://spokensanskrit.de/sandhi_php/sandhi_trainer.php You can teach yourself Sanskrit sandhi by using English expressions, e.g: I am You are He is We are etc, etc. How is Terho doing ? I guess you mean Terho Palo-saari (Acorn Burn-island). Not heard anything of him for quite a while. Perhaps he's still on(?) puruSa...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Monkees Fan Club metaphor
Dear raunchydog, Yes, that is confounding to me: that Barry Wright insults, offends, bullies, abusesand yet will never stand his ground. He only answers those whom he suspects have some sympathy with him. He avoids the danger of the tension set up by someone who would put the onus on him to do the honourable thing. I think I am defeated by the attempt to understand how an adult man can throw rocks off the bridge at cars, and then when the driver with the broken windshield comes up on the overpass to confront him, he vanishes. It is as if his conscience has been anaesthetizedbut I have said this before. And then Curtis, he defends Barry in a form which utterly distorts what Barry is doingI this this dishonest in Curtis. Me, I am waiting for the first sign of courage and honesty in Barry Wright: that is, since I have addressed him directly, he defends himself by taking me on. How easy it would be for me to discoverin his personal justificationthat I was wrong about him. This would be a boon for me. And I could forgive Curtis as well since he was only being patient with me, all throughout the time he knew I was misperceiving his good friend. As far as I can tell, Barry has not once answered one of his critics. Are we to infer from this that he doesn't think their judgments apply to him? For me, I can only feel how much he is missing in his experience of being a human being. Attitude is all. He has no clue how all of creation feels when he injects his venomand the thing is: *it just goes right back into him*. Meanwhile, I appreciatelet me so interpret your post this wayyour having realized how carefully and faithfully I have tracked our good friend from Amsterdam. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Robin, you have quite a talent for removing the mask from slippery characters. Kudos! Judy has calling Barry out for the same behavior for years and he still doesn't get it. Never will. A zebra doesn't change its stripes. [http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Orange-jelly-Nailed-it.jpg] http://youtu.be/1pAcfJQgxjE http://youtu.be/1pAcfJQgxjE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: The Barry Wright Syndrome Barry decides he has a point of view about somethinge.g. Puja is trained moodmaking; persons on FFL are all bigoted Monkees Fan Club members. He then asserts that his point of view must be the equivalent of reality. But you see, he never conceives of the responsibility he has to prove this, or at least even try to make his case. No, Barry is a kind of totalitarian of the mind: he insists on the truth of his point of view, without seemingly any capacity or even inclination to convince even himself that what he says is true. This is a strange phenomenon; asserting something is the case, but refusing to argue it out as if there is any process [implicit in stating a strong opinion/judgment] whereby one has any obligation to demonstrate the reasonableness much less the truth of one's point of view. It is quite incredible to me. Barry, from within his highly charged emotional reactiveness, dreams up concepts and ideas which then can serve the purpose of expressing his own disillusionment, bitterness, cynicism. Barry feels entitled to say something is a certain way, and he never thinks: I must really experience this is true; or even: do I really believe that reality will somehow, either in the articulation of my point of view, or in the culmination of having expressed it, corroborate this opinion? But no, it all comes out of his uncontrollable need to lash out, to ridicule, to sneer, and to make the world over in the image of his own experience of being Barry Wright. I mean, certainly every idea and opinion that Barry expresseswe are mostly talking here about matters pertaining to TM, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the TM Movement: i.e. what has first drawn us into posting at FFLis worth considering, examined objectively; but the problem is this: Barry drags in his negative emotionalityI suppose he is oblivious to thisand lets that drive his opinion. So that whattake this post herehappens is that someone has said: Your mother is ugly and she behaves like a whore. The child of the woman who has thus been so characterized wonders: Is my mother really that unattractive, and is she prostituting herself? But Barry never lays out his case against the woman. He merely repeats his insult, and then proceeds to actthrough what follows in his postas if this description of the person does not need explanation or defence; Barry Wright has said it; that is enough to make it true. Now if Barry would assert something is the case; and then follow it out as so we could understand how Barry became convinced in himself that what he is asserting is true, we would be in a position to assess the merits of his point of view. But as it is, Barry compulsively,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it. Good, glad to hear that. If it furthers your getting over it I can tell you that I also had sex while on Purusha. The girls didn't mind, Maharishi didn't mind so all was splendid. :-) Did Maharishi know about it? Wasn't celibacy supposed to be an essential aspect of Purusha? Here we go again. Your moralism makes me want to puke. Celibacy was an is a essential aspect of Purusha, but noone had to sign a paper in this regard. Drinking alcohol and smoking yes, but not celibacy. Of the 12 years I was on Purusha I was celibate for 10, the last two, not so much. I didn't propagate the making love to some beautiful girls full of Divine Shakti, why would I ? It would be foolish to let everyone know that I had spent a little of the vital fluids on these wonderful creatures rather than let it be sublimated in my own body. Some fools, like you, full of moralism and built-up-tension because they lived a life that was unatural for them, not free to do what I did, could even react with disdain or fear. As the responsible person I am I would't want to raise the blood-pressure of my smaller brothers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Dear nablusoss1008: You are a doctrinaire. Rick Archer is staying true to the profoundest of intuitions that he derived from his association with and self-sacrifice to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. All that you say here is a rationalization after the fact. At the height of your devotion to Maharishibefore you knew anything about his own wanderings from his vows to Guru Devyou would have never tried to argue as you have here. You are avoiding going through the honest and powerful ambivalence and disillusionment that Rick haseven as Rick still holds Maharishi to be a true Teacher. No, nablussoss1008: you are trying to find a solution to your own suppressed confusion and doubt by inventing a whole new dogma. Meanwhile Rick is only confronting us with what we all know is the truth. Only Ravi, among all of us, is somehow unaccountable in the way we have no choice about being accountable: that is, understanding Maharishi in all that he is and was. Where Rick is raising these questions goes much deeper in comparison to where you are dismissing his questions and explaining Bevan and Maharishi away. I don't expect you to realize what is going on here, nablusso1008, but you are trying to remake reality and history into something which fits conveniently with your determination not to have to pass through the inevitable experience of facing up to the terrible complexity and contradiction of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. You are not arguing sincerely, nablusoss1008; and you weaken your case with the smugness and the unintended irony of the self-righteousness of your remarks to Rick. You need to go through your own dark night of the soul, nablusoss1008. And you haven't. I think Rick has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Maharishi wouldn't let him get married and used to refer to him as the head of Purusha so, like Maharishi, he couldn't publically have a partner, and resorted to clandestine arrangements. Which ofcourse is perfectly allright. Just for Bevan, or for both Bevan and Maharishi? For everyone. Why do you ask ? Oh, just that old habit of being bothered by hypocrisy, dishonesty, and immorality in the leaders of spiritual organizations. I'm getting over it. Good, glad to hear that. If it furthers your getting over it I can tell you that I also had sex while on Purusha. The girls didn't mind, Maharishi didn't mind so all was splendid. :-) Did Maharishi know about it? Wasn't celibacy supposed to be an essential aspect of Purusha? Here we go again. Your moralism makes me want to puke. Celibacy was an is a essential aspect of Purusha, but noone had to sign a paper in this regard. Drinking alcohol and smoking yes, but not celibacy. Of the 12 years I was on Purusha I was celibate for 10, the last two, not so much. I didn't propagate the making love to some beautiful girls full of Divine Shakti, why would I ? It would be foolish to let everyone know that I had spent a little of the vital fluids on these wonderful creatures rather than let it be sublimated in my own body. Some fools, like you, full of moralism and built-up-tension because they lived a life that was unatural for them, not free to do what I did, could even react with disdain or fear. As the responsible person I am I would't want to raise the blood-pressure of my smaller brothers.
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield exodus (was Re: Occupy the Domes!!)
Buck, you've reported on people leaving Fairfield on various occasions, but I don't recall your saying why they're leaving. Are they seeking better jobs? Better weather? I saw on Facebook that a friend is moving to Boulder. She did not say why, which I can understand in that public forum. Still, I gotta wonder. Last I knew she was a True Believer whose husband (I thought) practiced shtapatya vedic architecture. I have to think they're leaving not because of dissatisfaction with the TMO or the community, but because they prefer Colorado to Iowa. (Duh!) Can you make any generalizations, based on your decidedly unscientific conversations? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: I stopped and spoke with someone in a U-haul truck yesterday which was packed loaded to the gills pulling a car that was equally loaded with belongings. The person was leaving Fairfield. Long-time TM meditator was here but heading out. This is tragic loss of capital every time this happens. It's been a long slide and obviously the numbers stop with the TM-Rajas and that Prime Minister.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield exodus (was Re: Occupy the Domes!!)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpgillam Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield exodus (was Re: Occupy the Domes!!) Buck, you've reported on people leaving Fairfield on various occasions, but I don't recall your saying why they're leaving. Are they seeking better jobs? Better weather? I saw on Facebook that a friend is moving to Boulder. She did not say why, which I can understand in that public forum. Still, I gotta wonder. Last I knew she was a True Believer whose husband (I thought) practiced shtapatya vedic architecture. I have to think they're leaving not because of dissatisfaction with the TMO or the community, but because they prefer Colorado to Iowa. (Duh!) I don't think they are leaving, just she, if you get my drift.
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield exodus (was Re: Occupy the Domes!!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpgillam Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield exodus (was Re: Occupy the Domes!!) I saw on Facebook that a friend is moving to Boulder. She did not say why, which I can understand in that public forum. Still, I gotta wonder. Last I knew she was a True Believer whose husband (I thought) practiced shtapatya vedic architecture. I have to think they're leaving not because of dissatisfaction with the TMO or the community, but because they prefer Colorado to Iowa. (Duh!) I don't think they are leaving, just she, if you get my drift. I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for the insight. Seems to me most people moved to Fairfield initially because it was exciting to be in a small town packed with lots of like-minded young people, one or two of whom might have made good spouses. Then they stayed to raise children. The TM attraction was never the No. 1 reason. When the children grew up and the marriages dissolved, the attraction weakened, despite the richness of friends and community and, perhaps for some, their work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear nablusoss1008: You are a doctrinaire. Rick Archer is staying true to the profoundest of intuitions that he derived from his association with and self-sacrifice to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Let's hope so. I'm glad at least you are so sure about that. All that you say here is a rationalization after the fact. I wish I knew what you are reffering to. What I did was a natural thing. At the height of your devotion to Maharishibefore you knew anything about his own wanderings from his vows to Guru Dev I beg your pardon, what do you know about Maharish's wows to Guru Dev ? Maharishi dropped the title Bal Brahmarishi already in the 50's. Do preach your nonsense elswere. you would have never tried to argue as you have here. You are avoiding going through the honest and powerful ambivalence and disillusionment that Rick has What do you know about the ambivalence and disillisionment of Rick ? even as Rick still holds Maharishi to be a true Teacher. No, nablussoss1008: you are trying to find a solution to your own suppressed confusion and doubt by inventing a whole new dogma. Oh thanks, just what we need here; a closet psychologist. You are talking nonsense. Please practise your hobbies on someone else. Meanwhile Rick is only confronting us with what we all know is the truth. Only Ravi, among all of us, is somehow unaccountable in the way we have no choice about being accountable: that is, understanding Maharishi in all that he is and was. And what the freaking do you know about the insights of Ravi ? Where Rick is raising these questions goes much deeper in comparison to where you are dismissing his questions and explaining Bevan and Maharishi away. I don't expect you to realize what is going on here, nablusso1008, but you are trying to remake reality and history into something which fits conveniently with your determination not to have to pass through the inevitable experience of facing up to the terrible complexity and contradiction of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I am ? thank you for sharing your wisdom with me. I' fast approaching the hour of virechana. You are not arguing sincerely, nablusoss1008; and you weaken your case with the smugness and the unintended irony of the self-righteousness of your remarks to Rick. Sorry to hurt your delicate feelings. Rick is used to it, he has received much harsher words from me during the years. You need to go through your own dark night of the soul, nablusoss1008. And you haven't. I think Rick has. Your'e a nutter !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Good to be corrected, nablusoss1008. I will take your strong objections to all that I have said, as evidence that I have got you wrong somewhere. Certainly from how you have responded to my post, I need not fear you are in any doubt about anything you believe. And if I knew how easily and perfunctorily you would give me the back of your hand, I might not have risked coming to the defence of Rick. I am a relative newcomer here at FFL; I don't know you, and I don't know the background of your relationship with Rick. I only know that to maintain that the context and reality of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation is now in 2011 exactly what it always wassay compared to 1973seems an implausible proposition. What I sensed, nablusoss1008 was that, when you first were in Purushaat the very beginningyou had a certain understanding and perception of Maharishi; and that given what has gone down since then, it seems only reasonable and just that you modify that understanding and perception. It appears to me you are unwilling to let history and reality reflect its truth inside your own consciousnessas if to say: Everything is on course; everything is the way it is supposed to be; Maharishi has been true to himself, to Guru Dev, and to us. And we are well on our way to heaven on earth. But inside this assertion I sense some wishful thinking; no: more than this: I sense a strangulation of the truth. I have used your disagreement with Rick to emphasize this existential fact. You seem extremely fortified in your belief that there is nothing to regret, to lament, to ponder in what has happened to Maharishi's Movement, in the failure of Transcendental Meditation to even approach what its promise was when we first were initiated, and the deterioration of Maharishi in his latter years, as he revealed that about him which was not all sweetness and light. You appear to me to be resisting mightily the reality of things. That you do so with a sense of utter confidence and serenity seems to me to be a form of burying your head in the sand. But you have told me that man that you are, nablusoss1008, and I shall not seek for any other kind of resolution than the one which is offered up to me in your sharp rebuke here. I appreciate your answering me so directly and promptly. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear nablusoss1008: You are a doctrinaire. Rick Archer is staying true to the profoundest of intuitions that he derived from his association with and self-sacrifice to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Let's hope so. I'm glad at least you are so sure about that. All that you say here is a rationalization after the fact. I wish I knew what you are reffering to. What I did was a natural thing. At the height of your devotion to Maharishibefore you knew anything about his own wanderings from his vows to Guru Dev I beg your pardon, what do you know about Maharish's wows to Guru Dev ? Maharishi dropped the title Bal Brahmarishi already in the 50's. Do preach your nonsense elswere. you would have never tried to argue as you have here. You are avoiding going through the honest and powerful ambivalence and disillusionment that Rick has What do you know about the ambivalence and disillisionment of Rick ? even as Rick still holds Maharishi to be a true Teacher. No, nablussoss1008: you are trying to find a solution to your own suppressed confusion and doubt by inventing a whole new dogma. Oh thanks, just what we need here; a closet psychologist. You are talking nonsense. Please practise your hobbies on someone else. Meanwhile Rick is only confronting us with what we all know is the truth. Only Ravi, among all of us, is somehow unaccountable in the way we have no choice about being accountable: that is, understanding Maharishi in all that he is and was. And what the freaking do you know about the insights of Ravi ? Where Rick is raising these questions goes much deeper in comparison to where you are dismissing his questions and explaining Bevan and Maharishi away. I don't expect you to realize what is going on here, nablusso1008, but you are trying to remake reality and history into something which fits conveniently with your determination not to have to pass through the inevitable experience of facing up to the terrible complexity and contradiction of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I am ? thank you for sharing your wisdom with me. I' fast approaching the hour of virechana. You are not arguing sincerely, nablusoss1008; and you weaken your case with the smugness and the unintended irony of the self-righteousness of your remarks to Rick. Sorry to hurt your delicate feelings. Rick is used to it, he has received much harsher words from me during the years. You
[FairfieldLife] Video of Amma with animals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXYfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be
[FairfieldLife] Movie review: Melancholia
In a sentence, Cinematically prettier than Terrence Malick's 'The Tree Of Life,' just as pretentious, a little less ponderous in parts, but on the whole more depressing because it's about...uh...depression. The plot of Danish bad boy Lars von Trier's new movie is not exactly a nail-biter. You see the ending of the movie (and coincidentally the end of the planet Earth) in the first 7-1/2 minutes, appropriately with Wagner as the soundtrack. Because I suspect that few here will be drawn to see it, I'll do a kind of flippant mini-review. Basically, it's about two sisters, played by Kirsten Dunst (who we finally get to see naked) and Charlotte Gainsbourg (who we've seen naked onscreen many times before), both playing their parts well -- clothed or naked. There are other heavyweight actors, too, including a father and son played by Stellan and Alexander Skarsgård. Then you've got Charlotte Rampling as the sisters' mother, John Hurt as their father, and Keifer Sutherland thrown in there somewhere as an American corporate asshole. He manages to pull this off as convincingly as the Skarsgårds pull off being father and son. The movie, which is strangely being billed as SciFi, opens at a wedding, which goes sour in the way that big, expensive family weddings tend to go sour onscreen. But then the sourness escalates when everyone learns that the new star that Justine (Dunst) saw in the sky on the way to the wedding is really a planet on a possible collision course with Earth. This news could be perceived as somewhat depressing, and sure enough many of the characters in the movie find it so, pretty much for the rest of the film. This movie won Kirsten Dunst a Best Actress award at Cannes but lost out on its supposedly foregone conclusion Palme d'Or award because von Trier tried to make a dumb joke about Hitler in a country that still hasn't gotten over its collective guilt about its behavior during the Nazi years. Since he's admitted that the film is partly about his own bouts with depression, maybe he was just experiencing one of them that night. It's a Lars von Trier movie. You either like him or you don't, and you'll either like this movie or you won't. I'm not even sure it was intended to be liked. It seems to me that it was intended to be a kind of Wagnerian-scored homage to German Romanticism. As von Trier said about it, It's not a film about the end of the world; it's a film about a state of mind. Personally I just wish that the state of mind didn't rely so much on playing the same theme from Tristan und Isolde over and over again as its soundtrack. I would have preferred something cheerier and more uptempo, like Leonard Cohen's Dress Rehearsal Rag. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXYfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Very nice Rick ! BTW, how would you react if it was true that Amma has an active sex-life ?
[FairfieldLife] A Conversation with Rick Archer 11/13 by DennisTardan | Blog Talk Radio
I'm going to be on this radio show this coming Sunday at 11am Central time, in case anyone feels likes listening and/or calling in: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dennistardan/2011/11/13/a-conversation-with-ric k-archer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Movie review: Melancholia
On 11/11/2011 12:15 PM, turquoiseb wrote: In a sentence, Cinematically prettier than Terrence Malick's 'The Tree Of Life,' just as pretentious, a little less ponderous in parts, but on the whole more depressing because it's about...uh...depression. The plot of Danish bad boy Lars von Trier's new movie is not exactly a nail-biter. You see the ending of the movie (and coincidentally the end of the planet Earth) in the first 7-1/2 minutes, appropriately with Wagner as the soundtrack. Because I suspect that few here will be drawn to see it, I'll do a kind of flippant mini-review. Basically, it's about two sisters, played by Kirsten Dunst (who we finally get to see naked) and Charlotte Gainsbourg (who we've seen naked onscreen many times before), both playing their parts well -- clothed or naked. There are other heavyweight actors, too, including a father and son played by Stellan and Alexander Skarsgård. Then you've got Charlotte Rampling as the sisters' mother, John Hurt as their father, and Keifer Sutherland thrown in there somewhere as an American corporate asshole. He manages to pull this off as convincingly as the Skarsgårds pull off being father and son. The movie, which is strangely being billed as SciFi, opens at a wedding, which goes sour in the way that big, expensive family weddings tend to go sour onscreen. But then the sourness escalates when everyone learns that the new star that Justine (Dunst) saw in the sky on the way to the wedding is really a planet on a possible collision course with Earth. This news could be perceived as somewhat depressing, and sure enough many of the characters in the movie find it so, pretty much for the rest of the film. This movie won Kirsten Dunst a Best Actress award at Cannes but lost out on its supposedly foregone conclusion Palme d'Or award because von Trier tried to make a dumb joke about Hitler in a country that still hasn't gotten over its collective guilt about its behavior during the Nazi years. Since he's admitted that the film is partly about his own bouts with depression, maybe he was just experiencing one of them that night. It's a Lars von Trier movie. You either like him or you don't, and you'll either like this movie or you won't. I'm not even sure it was intended to be liked. It seems to me that it was intended to be a kind of Wagnerian-scored homage to German Romanticism. As von Trier said about it, It's not a film about the end of the world; it's a film about a state of mind. Personally I just wish that the state of mind didn't rely so much on playing the same theme from Tristan und Isolde over and over again as its soundtrack. I would have preferred something cheerier and more uptempo, like Leonard Cohen's Dress Rehearsal Rag. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo Available on Vudu (probably Comcast and other VOD too): http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/216792/Melancholia I'm used to Trier's stuff. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Good to be corrected, nablusoss1008. I will take your strong objections to all that I have said, as evidence that I have got you wrong somewhere. Certainly from how you have responded to my post, I need not fear you are in any doubt about anything you believe. And if I knew how easily and perfunctorily you would give me the back of your hand, I might not have risked coming to the defence of Rick. I am a relative newcomer here at FFL; I don't know you, and I don't know the background of your relationship with Rick. I only know that to maintain that the context and reality of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation is now in 2011 exactly what it always wassay compared to 1973seems an implausible proposition. What I sensed, nablusoss1008 was that, when you first were in Purushaat the very beginningyou had a certain understanding and perception of Maharishi; and that given what has gone down since then, it seems only reasonable and just that you modify that understanding and perception. It appears to me you are unwilling to let history and reality reflect its truth inside your own consciousnessas if to say: Everything is on course; everything is the way it is supposed to be; Maharishi has been true to himself, to Guru Dev, and to us. And we are well on our way to heaven on earth. But inside this assertion I sense some wishful thinking; no: more than this: I sense a strangulation of the truth. I have used your disagreement with Rick to emphasize this existential fact. You seem extremely fortified in your belief that there is nothing to regret, to lament, to ponder in what has happened to Maharishi's Movement, in the failure of Transcendental Meditation to even approach what its promise was when we first were initiated, and the deterioration of Maharishi in his latter years, as he revealed that about him which was not all sweetness and light. You appear to me to be resisting mightily the reality of things. That you do so with a sense of utter confidence and serenity seems to me to be a form of burying your head in the sand. But you have told me that man that you are, nablusoss1008, and I shall not seek for any other kind of resolution than the one which is offered up to me in your sharp rebuke here. I appreciate your answering me so directly and promptly. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear nablusoss1008: You are a doctrinaire. Rick Archer is staying true to the profoundest of intuitions that he derived from his association with and self-sacrifice to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Let's hope so. I'm glad at least you are so sure about that. All that you say here is a rationalization after the fact. I wish I knew what you are reffering to. What I did was a natural thing. At the height of your devotion to Maharishibefore you knew anything about his own wanderings from his vows to Guru Dev I beg your pardon, what do you know about Maharish's wows to Guru Dev ? Maharishi dropped the title Bal Brahmarishi already in the 50's. Do preach your nonsense elswere. you would have never tried to argue as you have here. You are avoiding going through the honest and powerful ambivalence and disillusionment that Rick has What do you know about the ambivalence and disillisionment of Rick ? even as Rick still holds Maharishi to be a true
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXYfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Very nice Rick ! BTW, how would you react if it was true that Amma has an active sex-life ? I would lose interest in her. Nothing wrong with sex, but I don't like lying and hypocrisy. Not that I'm innocent of those faults, but I think gurus should be held to a higher standard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
Would it be OK if they always replied that they refused to discuss it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg99aM4nmXYfeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Very nice Rick ! BTW, how would you react if it was true that Amma has an active sex-life ? I would lose interest in her. Nothing wrong with sex, but I don't like lying and hypocrisy. Not that I'm innocent of those faults, but I think gurus should be held to a higher standard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. http://tinyurl.com/csbdplz I gather you've seen this Jim
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals Would it be OK if they always replied that they refused to discuss it? You mean like Herman Cain? I'm not voting for him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals Would it be OK if they always replied that they refused to discuss it? You mean like Herman Cain? I'm not voting for him. Just out of curiosity; did Amma ever proclaim to be a celibate ?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals Would it be OK if they always replied that they refused to discuss it? You mean like Herman Cain? I'm not voting for him. Just out of curiosity; did Amma ever proclaim to be a celibate ? I don't know, but there are stories of when her parents were trying to get her married and she was chasing away suitors with sticks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's that 'Hopey-Changey' thing workin' out for ya?
The economy hasn't been doing really well since the 70's. From Carter to Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama, the economy has become worse during each Presidency. Whether Democrat or Republican, the one consisitent issue is that things have simply become worse. Carter increast the deficit by .3 trillion, the smallest amount in the last 40 years Reagan raised the deficit 1.8 trillion Bush Sr. raised our deficit 1.4 trillion Clinton raised it another 1.4 trillion Bush Jr. increased it almost 4.5 trillion Obama increased it almost 4.5 trillion I don't see how anyone can really pin this on a specific family or political party. I don't believe if Bob Dole were elected in 1996, Al Gore were elected in 2000 and John McCain in 2008 that anything would be drastically different (other than McCain and Gore never would've gone into Iraq, which would've saved about a couple trillion, not to mention quite a few lives). American business, government, and citizens will have to change as a whole to turn this around. Also, I don't think the Republican party is running a bunch of 'jokes' with the intention to lose. What we're seeing is literally the best they've got, with the exception of perhaps one or two others who are popular. The fact that you would accuse them of that implies that they are actually thinking that deeply and that far ahead, which I personally doubt. Personally, if I were a politician, I wouldn't want to be in office right now at all. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: It's the result of the previous 8 years of the Bush Crime Family and a program of the destruction of the US that began with Ronny Raygun. That's why the Republicons ran jokes for 2008 and will do so again in 2012. They don't want the collapse on their watch. How's that workin' for ya, Bubba?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: Melancholia
I enjoy end-of-the-world movies. I believe it's healthy to face one's fears, and that all the end- of-the-world movies gracing the cinema these days are ultimately salubrious. I also enjoy attractive, naked women, so this movie sounds like a twofer for me. But wait, there's more. Another planet that had been hidden by the sun? Sounds like Ruben Bolling's Counter-Earth, a comic device that cheers me immensely. And with that, Lars von Trier scores a hat trick! Go Lars! What will Obama do to get sun and wind? http://bit.ly/qBCljx The President is forced to get pro life! http://bit.ly/oSNtK9 The Department of Education, kicking ass! http://bit.ly/nyABdT --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/11/2011 12:15 PM, turquoiseb wrote: In a sentence, Cinematically prettier than Terrence Malick's 'The Tree Of Life,' just as pretentious, a little less ponderous in parts, but on the whole more depressing because it's about...uh...depression. The plot of Danish bad boy Lars von Trier's new movie is not exactly a nail-biter. You see the ending of the movie (and coincidentally the end of the planet Earth) in the first 7-1/2 minutes, appropriately with Wagner as the soundtrack. Because I suspect that few here will be drawn to see it, I'll do a kind of flippant mini-review. Basically, it's about two sisters, played by Kirsten Dunst (who we finally get to see naked) and Charlotte Gainsbourg (who we've seen naked onscreen many times before), both playing their parts well -- clothed or naked. There are other heavyweight actors, too, including a father and son played by Stellan and Alexander Skarsgård. Then you've got Charlotte Rampling as the sisters' mother, John Hurt as their father, and Keifer Sutherland thrown in there somewhere as an American corporate asshole. He manages to pull this off as convincingly as the Skarsgårds pull off being father and son. The movie, which is strangely being billed as SciFi, opens at a wedding, which goes sour in the way that big, expensive family weddings tend to go sour onscreen. But then the sourness escalates when everyone learns that the new star that Justine (Dunst) saw in the sky on the way to the wedding is really a planet on a possible collision course with Earth. This news could be perceived as somewhat depressing, and sure enough many of the characters in the movie find it so, pretty much for the rest of the film. This movie won Kirsten Dunst a Best Actress award at Cannes but lost out on its supposedly foregone conclusion Palme d'Or award because von Trier tried to make a dumb joke about Hitler in a country that still hasn't gotten over its collective guilt about its behavior during the Nazi years. Since he's admitted that the film is partly about his own bouts with depression, maybe he was just experiencing one of them that night. It's a Lars von Trier movie. You either like him or you don't, and you'll either like this movie or you won't. I'm not even sure it was intended to be liked. It seems to me that it was intended to be a kind of Wagnerian-scored homage to German Romanticism. As von Trier said about it, It's not a film about the end of the world; it's a film about a state of mind. Personally I just wish that the state of mind didn't rely so much on playing the same theme from Tristan und Isolde over and over again as its soundtrack. I would have preferred something cheerier and more uptempo, like Leonard Cohen's Dress Rehearsal Rag. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzD0U841LRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTFqSaFwyo Available on Vudu (probably Comcast and other VOD too): http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/216792/Melancholia I'm used to Trier's stuff. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cults that make you feel better about your own cult :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Nice summary of good points, Barry. I recognize all of them in myself to some extent. Makes me wonder too about the issue of age. Not sure about that, but it seems that the ability to snip must be tied to age, at least for some. I suspect that if you get into a spiritual group during those vulnerable years say between 18 and 28, you forever remain at least a tad susceptible to the usual hooks. And then there is the human nervous system -s eems to need stories, beginnings and endings, good v evil. We all love that ability to categorize/label/neaten up the mess of life - whether in a movie, in fairy tales, novels or in our own lives.
[FairfieldLife] Gone Mental (was Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Steve, Sorry about the unhappy ending. I looked in on the second period, thinking to myself: seventhray1 is there somewhere in the crowed; I wonder if I can pick up his individual consciousness based upon what I have imprinted of him at FFL? It was a rather dull game until the third period. The Blues have a new coach and this was the second game under his leadership, so I knew they would get sparked eventually, which they did. However penalty shots to determine the winner are somewhat anticlimatic in my opinion, which is what happend. And of course both Maple Leaf goals where scored in power plays as was one of the Blue's goals. The exciting part was when the Blues tied it up late in the third period. I was there with my daughter and her friend. I admit we moved around a little as there were some nice unoccupied seats. (I hope I don't get blasted for that). But couldn't find you:-) But it was interesting to know that someone from FFL was present there watching the usually wretched Maple Leafs punish the Cardinals for their glorious feat. On the way down to the game it was mentioned that the Maple Leafs were hoping to break a two game losing streak. But evidently, they are still in first place. I don't suppose you saw any of the World Series, else you would have told us. Oh yes, I was fortunate enough to have four tickets to every game. Two field box seats and two higher up seats. I was able to go to one NLDS game, and my kids went to one NLCS game, and game seven of the WS. The balance of tickets were given to customers and employees, and to a third party who buys most of the regular season games. It is such an expensive propostion to be a season ticket holder that the only way I can afford them is to sell most of the regular season games to a third party with the promise of making post season games available if they should make it that far. As I'm sure you know, game six was especially memorable, and I did score some points with one of our employees who attended that game with one of our customers. Hope your daughter got to the bottom of Cassius and Brutus. She has been a little disappointed in act 4. Said it bothered her a little that everyone killed themselves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Good stuff. Now I'm off to see the Blues play the Maple Leafs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Gone Mental (was Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So the time may be approach- ing in which I'm not gonna find anything posted here inter- esting enough to reply to. It's all been done to death and argued endlessly *in exactly the same words* for decades now. SO been there, done that. We are not worthy! Some are more worthy than others. :-) Actually, I think if Barry wanted to be honest about it, his posting here is more akin to what we probably all did at least once or twice when we were eight year olds - namely ringing someone's door bell and then running away. I mean, sheesh, if you are into pushing peoples buttons, why not stick around every once in a while instead of going and hiding behind a tree. Barry Wright: Why bother? Everything I need to know about who got their buttons pushed and how severely they got pushed is visible in Yahoo's Message View. Santa Claus: Barry, Baby, you are asserting something without any feel for the way it is playing in reality. This is called perfect subjective dislocation from the necessary feedback which the universe is giving you. Get it, Barry? When you blow your nose on your sleeve, there is some mucus there which, if you want to still look pretty, you have to remove. You can't just say: The Kleenex idea, it's just an opinion. My sleeve is just as good an absorber of my snot as your bloody Kleenex. I don't need no fucking KleenexYou wimps. I blow my snot on myself and you guys offer me a Kleenex: Hey, I guess I pressed your button once more! Barry Wright: And I thought I stated quite explicitly that I don't feel I owe anyone here anything. Not a response to something they post, and certainly not an argument or an impassioned defense of something I said. Santa Claus: If you tell us, Barry, that ice-cream tastes good because of the placebo effect, we are not exercised about this. It don't bother us ice-cream eaters that much. Even though you used to be one of those who licked down to the bottom and then ate the cone. The deliciousness of ice-cream: just so you know, everyone: That was trained moodmaking. Maybe. Maybe not. But if in trying to tell us ice-cream just tasted
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy 11/11/11
Do taxes go down? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: the late guru Yogi Bhajan said this day is the beginning of Satya Yuga --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. There are exactly 50 days until Christmas, while the eleventh day of the eleventh month marks the day Germany signed an armistice with the Allies in the forest of Compiègne, France, ending the First World War. Speaking to the Washington Post, numerologist Vikki MacKinnon said she expected a cosmic wake-up call http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop . Eleven is a number of illumination and enlightenment, a number of insight, blinding flashes of the obvious, and a number of transformation http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html , she said. I think really good things will come out of tomorrow. Around the world, the superstitious are taking advantage of the day's apparent magical qualities. Marjaneh Peyrovan plans to buy 11 lottery tickets while fans of the film This Is Spinal Tap are planning to pay homage to guitarist Nigel Tufnel, whose amp went up to 11 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/spinal-tap-nigel-tufnel-day_n_\ 1082911.html . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
Ha-Ha! I never did eat one of his pizzas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals Would it be OK if they always replied that they refused to discuss it? You mean like Herman Cain? I'm not voting for him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy 11/11/11
the late guru Yogi Bhajan said this day is the beginning of Satya Yuga --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: From HuffPost UK, for your amusement on this numerically auspicious day... Today is the eleventh day of the eleventh month of the eleventh year, a rare alignment of the calendar that will only happen 12 times this century. For Hindus, the number 11 carries a special spiritual significance, so much so that pregnant Hindu women are clamoring to have caesarean deliveries to ensure their children are blessed with good luck. A horror film, out on Friday, has taken advantage of the date for its title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712159/ ... as well as being a handy tool for marketing the flick. There are exactly 50 days until Christmas, while the eleventh day of the eleventh month marks the day Germany signed an armistice with the Allies in the forest of Compiègne, France, ending the First World War. Speaking to the Washington Post, numerologist Vikki MacKinnon said she expected a cosmic wake-up call http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop . Eleven is a number of illumination and enlightenment, a number of insight, blinding flashes of the obvious, and a number of transformation http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/11-11-11-drives-many-to-tie-knot\ -place-bets-will-convergence-of-digits-bring-good-luck/2011/11/10/gIQA1f\ Nj9M_story.html , she said. I think really good things will come out of tomorrow. Around the world, the superstitious are taking advantage of the day's apparent magical qualities. Marjaneh Peyrovan plans to buy 11 lottery tickets while fans of the film This Is Spinal Tap are planning to pay homage to guitarist Nigel Tufnel, whose amp went up to 11 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/spinal-tap-nigel-tufnel-day_n_\ 1082911.html . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wm3JwXbLs
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Nov 05 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Nov 12 00:00:00 2011 910 messages as of (UTC) Fri Nov 11 23:55:01 2011 52 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 52 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 51 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 50 authfriend jst...@panix.com 50 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 50 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 50 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 50 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 50 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com 40 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 39 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 39 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 38 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 25 maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com 25 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 23 wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net 22 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 22 John jr_...@yahoo.com 20 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 20 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 14 johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com 13 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 9 jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com 9 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 8 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 8 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 7 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 6 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 6 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 5 MichaelB bax8...@aol.com 4 wle...@aol.com 4 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 3 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 3 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 2 shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca 1 stevelf ysoy1...@yahoo.com 1 shainm307 shainm...@yahoo.com 1 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 1 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 alexander_oprea_shift alexander_oprea_sh...@yahoo.com 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 1 Bill Coop williamgc...@gmail.com Posters: 43 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring?
by this Vag would have all the commonly used Buddhist mantras as spoiled mantras as they come from non-Brahmins and have been given to more than 6 ears... this is the worst most destructive and discriminatory form of caste-ism but he is happy to propagate it if he thinks it suits his sick purpose. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Spoiled mantras H.H. Jagadguru Swami Swaroopananda, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math interviewed by David Sieveking Translator: When he did the TM course of Mahesh Yogi he was asked to pay $2500. He was then seated in front of Gurudev's photo and given a mantra. He wishes to know Shankaracharyaji's thoughts on this... Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes... Translator: How do you spell it? David: I'll write it for you... 2nd translator: He has also been told that the mantra has no meaning and that he simply has to recite it [mentally]. HH Swarupananda: This is not a mantra. Had it been Shrim i.e. S-H-R-I- M, then it would have been a mantra. Translator: He was given this mantra in front of Gurudev`s photo. So he wants to know whether this has been the tradition from long time ago? HH Swarupananda: Mahesh Yogi was not a brahnman and hence did not have the right to give anybody any mantra's hence he would place the Gurudev's picture so as to symbolise that the mantra was being given through Gurudev. The tradition is such that the mantra is a very private and secretive conversation between a Guru and a disciple. It is said that when it goes in 6 ears the mantra's powers are lost...it has to remain in between the two ears of the Guru and the two ears of the Shishya or disciple any other person is not to be party to it. 2nd translator: First of all this mantra was not a mantra. The procedure for giving it was a guru can give it to the shishya but as Maharishi was not a brahman maybe he was keeping a picture of Gurudev to give the mantra...but according to tradition it has to be between the 2 ears of yours and the two ears of Guru, if it goes to six ears [i.e. via a TM teacher] then its a spoiled mantra. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
I thought Robin expressed it nicely when he said that Nab has conveniently created a new dogma to replace the old one, once new details emerged about the life of MMY. And Nab defends quite vigourously this new dogma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Good to be corrected, nablusoss1008. I will take your strong objections to all that I have said, as evidence that I have got you wrong somewhere. Certainly from how you have responded to my post, I need not fear you are in any doubt about anything you believe. And if I knew how easily and perfunctorily you would give me the back of your hand, I might not have risked coming to the defence of Rick. I am a relative newcomer here at FFL; I don't know you, and I don't know the background of your relationship with Rick. I only know that to maintain that the context and reality of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation is now in 2011 exactly what it always wassay compared to 1973seems an implausible proposition. What I sensed, nablusoss1008 was that, when you first were in Purushaat the very beginningyou had a certain understanding and perception of Maharishi; and that given what has gone down since then, it seems only reasonable and just that you modify that understanding and perception. It appears to me you are unwilling to let history and reality reflect its truth inside your own consciousnessas if to say: Everything is on course; everything is the way it is supposed to be; Maharishi has been true to himself, to Guru Dev, and to us. And we are well on our way to heaven on earth. But inside this assertion I sense some wishful thinking; no: more than this: I sense a strangulation of the truth. I have used your disagreement with Rick to emphasize this existential fact. You seem extremely fortified in your belief that there is nothing to regret, to lament, to ponder in what has happened to Maharishi's Movement, in the failure of Transcendental Meditation to even approach what its promise was when we first were initiated, and the deterioration of Maharishi in his latter years, as he revealed that about him which was not all sweetness and light. You appear to me to be resisting mightily the reality of things. That you do so with a sense of utter confidence and serenity seems to me to be a form of burying your head in the sand. But you have told me that man that you are, nablusoss1008, and I shall not seek for any other kind of resolution than the one which is offered up to me in your sharp rebuke here. I appreciate your answering me so directly and promptly. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear nablusoss1008: You are a doctrinaire. Rick Archer is staying true to the profoundest of intuitions that he derived from his association with and self-sacrifice to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Let's hope so. I'm glad at least you are so sure about that. All that you say here is a rationalization after the fact. I wish I knew what you are reffering to. What I did was a natural thing. At the height of your devotion to Maharishibefore you knew anything about his own wanderings from his vows to Guru Dev I beg your pardon, what do you know about Maharish's wows to Guru Dev ? Maharishi dropped the title Bal Brahmarishi already in the 50's. Do preach your nonsense elswere. you would have never tried to argue as you have here. You are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
Just out of curiosity; did Amma ever proclaim to be a celibate ? I don't know, but there are stories of when her parents were trying to get her married and she was chasing away suitors with sticks. Makes for good press doesn't it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview. I mean, I guess you buy this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher states of consiousness. I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
[FairfieldLife] Note even much of a mountain
My GPS kept trying to get me into the Heavenly Mountain very heavily gated community. A workman drove up as I had left my car behind at the gate and was hiking up. He told me I needed to go to the mountain south of there and my GPS, still trying to get me into the gated community took me the Heavenly Mountain. How ever underwhelming. To think I'd spent years talking to Mothers Divine from Heavenly Mountain on my private toll fee. I had this vision when I spoke on the phone that Heavenly Mountain was nothing much of anything and actually not all that scenic. Well, it is in the mountains. But so was Cobb. It was a very hazy day and I'm imagine if you live in FF, these is perhaps Heaven. I saw a lot of ru like vastu houses that had been converted into pretty much off Appalachian *State* Universit campus housing. The dorms had been converted into apartments. And interesting mostly college crowd. The dorms were run down. The other buildings were in serious decay. This is just right for SSRS. He and his advertise and hype to the hilt, but if you're not a caretaker of a visiting teacher, SSRS appears to think that living in buildings which would elsewhere be condemned is a righteous part of the program. Of course if your special, then
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Monkees Fan Club metaphor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Well, this was certainly an effective troll. Uh, no, it wasn't, actually. Of 35 posts in the thread, almost none actually addressed the metaphor. Obbajeeba liked it. Robin was the sole poster to argue with it, and he did so only in the context of using it to finely dice Barry's chronic ill will, pretentiousness, and lack of self-awareness. The rest of the posts were folks going off on their own trips with YouTubes and poetry and such, not related to the metaphor Barry intended to arouse general rage. Note that Barry goes on to spin a hallucinatory fantasy in which the TMers here angrily protested the metaphor. Barry *expected* them to, but they didn't. So he just invented a scenario in which they did, expounding on why they got angry, even claiming that the nonexistent angry reactions *proved that the metaphor was accurate*. Note also that it never occurred to Barry to ask himself why--if reading FFL is indeed like stumbling across a weird group of fanatical Monkees fans--after having stumbled across it initially back in 2005, he's been reading and contributing to it on a regular basis ever since. Why would anybody but a fanatical Monkees fan want to hang out with a bunch of other fanatical Monkees fans for over six years? :-) But the more I think about it, the more apt an analogy it is to Fairfield Life, or to Fairfield itself, and the level of fanboy fanaticism that people who frequent those worlds often display. What I expected when I posted this was for about half the people to laugh, getting that their everyday behavior on FFL really *does* equate to over-the-top fans of a non-memorable faux pop group. In other words, I expected folks to be able to laugh at themselves a little. Big mistake. T'would seem that this is impossible for many here, who feel that 1) everything they write is not only a statement of truth but one that has to be sold to others *as* truth, and 2) that they are so important that they *have* to be taken seriously. That's *exactly* the level of fanatical fandom you would find in a real-life group of Monkees fans. They, too, would be incapable of seeing themselves as they appear to more...uh...normal people, and incapable of laughing at that image. Instead, they'd get angry and uptight. *Just* like a few here seem to have done. The thing is, what they're angry about IMO (and all I write on this forum *is* opinion, not truth) is that the metaphor just *nails* it. They've managed to turn a simplistic form of meditation into a religion, just as they turned 20 minutes twice a day into several hours a day, and being unable to talk about anything else, because in their lives there IS nothing else. Or little else. TMers on FFL have become as monotopical as fanatical Monkees fans would be, if they still existed. Anyway, I thought it was a fun metaphor at the time, and still do. And I suspect that its accuracy is proved by how strongly some reacted to having a little fun poked at them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Sometimes, scanning the list of posts on FFL searching for one that I find interesting enough to reply to, I find myself also searching for a metaphor to explain the sense of incredulity I feel at the same-old-same-old repetitiveness of it all. This morning I came up with such a metaphor, and it made me laugh, so I'll pass it along. Consider this my version of Bhairitu's The Funny Farm Lounge metaphor. :-) Reading FFL is like stumbling across a weird group of fanatical Monkees fans. They get together in cyberspace and endlessly talk about the glory days of Mickey, Davy, Peter and Michael as if they were gods. They argue about which songs were most cosmically important, and the deep esoteric meaning of their lyrics. When other musicians' names come up, the Monkees fans get angry and feel that they have to put them down, because however good these other musicians may be, after all they're not the Monkees. Some are so fanatical and so enduringly loyal to the Monkees that they think anyone who gets caught attending a concert by any other musician should be banned from the Monkees Fan Club for life as the heretics they are. But the most amazing part is that the fan club is still going strong, still doing all of this every day, 40+ years after the popularity of the group they revere jumped the shark. And all of this for a pop group that wasn't very good in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
Evidently Sponsored by the TM meditation trust in Europe http://www.meditationtrust.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation, explains Colin. Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their usual groups of 20-50 people. This effect even has an impact upon others who are not involved, Colin believes. Mothers learning meditation have noticed how their children begin to behave better and school teachers see the same effect on their classes. This is because consciousness, the silent level of the mind, is a single, unified field, known experientially by the yogis of India for thousands of years and now inferred from the discoveries of quantum physics. Or, as the yogis have always said, we are all waves on the ocean of being. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4608 - Release Date: 11/10/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
Evidently the meditations are sponsored by the TM meditation trust in Europe (UK) http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Since its foundation in 2000, the Trust has experienced overwhelming demand for Transcendental Meditation courses. Founder and Director Colin Beckley alone has taught several thousands of people to meditate, and weekend retreats for those who have learned are always fully booked way in advance. More than 50% of our new students come on referral from past students. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation, explains Colin. Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their usual groups of 20-50 people. This effect even has an impact upon others who are not involved, Colin believes. Mothers learning meditation have noticed how their children begin to behave better and school teachers see the same effect on their classes. This is because consciousness, the silent level of the mind, is a single, unified field, known experientially by the yogis of India for thousands of years and now inferred from the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
Evidently the meditations are sponsored by the TM meditation trust in Europe (UK) http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Since its foundation in 2000, the Trust has experienced overwhelming demand for Transcendental Meditation courses. Founder and Director Colin Beckley alone has taught several thousands of people to meditate, and weekend retreats for those who have learned are always fully booked way in advance. More than 50% of our new students come on referral from past students. And with the Meditation Trust, whose objective is to make this powerful yoga technique available to everyone at a price they can afford, Transcendental Meditation (`TM') * is available at the lowest prices in Europe - (Up to 50% OFF fees elsewhere in UK and far more off European rates). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group meditation, explains Colin. Meditators notice that even in a group of two there is a greater settling of the mind, and this effect grows in accordance with how many people gather, says Colin. Regular meditators have reported much stronger experiences of silence and bliss than they normally experience alone or in their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest
Evidently the meditations are sponsored by the TM meditation trust in Europe (UK) http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Since its foundation in 2000, the Trust has experienced overwhelming demand for Transcendental Meditation courses. Founder and Director Colin Beckley alone has taught several thousands of people to meditate, and weekend retreats for those who have learned are always fully booked way in advance. More than 50% of our new students come on referral from past students. And with the Meditation Trust, whose objective is to make this powerful yoga technique available to everyone at a price they can afford, Transcendental Meditation (`TM') * is available at the lowest prices in Europe - (Up to 50% OFF fees elsewhere in UK and far more off European rates). * DISCLAIMER As a courtesy to the Maharishi Foundation, we point out that we (the Meditation Trust) have no connection whatsoever with their organisation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://positivenews.org.uk/2011/wellbeing/spirit/5148/flash-mob-meditations- london-awaken-public-interest/ Flash mob' meditations awaken public interest UK http://positivenews.org.uk/location/united-kingdom/ / Wellbeing http://positivenews.org.uk/category/wellbeing/ 11 Sep 2011 Popularity of group meditation increases across London Meditation 'flash mob' in Trafalgar Square, 2 June 2011 Photo C Kiran Gupta Hundreds of meditators are converging in public spaces in London to take part in 'flash mob' meditations. The pre-planned events have startled passers-by when, following a signal, groups of strangers seemingly going about their business have suddenly sat down to meditate together. Since June 2011, events have taken place at Trafalgar Square, Covent Garden, and City Hall by the river Thames. They are coordinated by Wake Up London, a group of 16 to 35-year-olds inspired by the teachings of Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh. Wake Up London believe the flash mobs are a demonstration of peace and show how anyone can sit down and experience inner silence, even in the centre of a huge city. Elina Pen, a member of the group, says the events raise awareness of the joy of meditation while enabling people to unite as a multicultural group of all ages and backgrounds. We are a microcosm of the rest of the world here in London, says Elina, and we are very proud of that fact. Marie Kennedy, also a representative of Wake Up London, adds: Meditating together creates so much peace, within and without. Simultaneously, significant numbers have been gathering together in the more traditional setting of the Swiss Church in Covent Garden, for group practices of transcendental meditation T, organised by a new charity, the Meditation Trust. What is a flash mob? A flash mob is when a group of people assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual activity for a brief time, then disperse Over the past few months, diverse meditation groups have seen a significant and what seems to be a spontaneous growth in interest and enthusiasm for group meditation experience, says Colin Beckley, director of the Meditation Trust. Marie Kennedy agrees. This has gone global. There are more and more groups being created every day; pods of meditators. Wake Up London is working with an international movement called Med Mob, which is coordinating meditation flash mobs across the world at around the same time each month. Fourteen groups are involved in the UK, from Aberdeen to Brighton, as well as many more globally. Innerspace, a meditation centre in Covent Garden run by spiritual education organisation Brahma Kumaris, is also experiencing a surge of interest. The centre's co-ordinator, Arti Lal says that although meditation has become more fashionable in recent years, there are more people not just attending their meditation sessions this year, but wanting to explore the practice more deeply. People are looking for two things in particular, she says, to create a better quality of life with more personal responsibility for their own peace of mind and emotional responses, and to develop a meditation skill that can be used anywhere and at any time. The Meditation Trust meanwhile, has opened the second half of its regular 2-hour group sessions, beyond TM practitioners to any member of the public who wishes to sit quietly, practice their own silent meditation, or use a simple mindfulness technique as instructed. The public are invited to experience some degree of the power of a group
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Use your common sense. Watch this clip and weep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ? Nabs, Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment. But IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.
[FairfieldLife] For Life-!-For Love
As you know, the next 2 months is a critical period. During this time, the number of flyers in the Invincible America Assembly may drop below the national superradiance requirement. With the delicate and volatile character of the US and the world right now, this drop is worth being a concern. Although it might be a sacrifice to frequently attend group program between now and the end of the year, it's a sacrifice that the well-being of America requires. The following video is a call for 2,000 Sidhas to unite, and take a stand in Light: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=109334443404435418183target=ALBUMid=5673931671359543985authkey=Gv1sRgCPjwzPOUlv-OlgEfeat=email( 4 minutes; left-click on left image)
[FairfieldLife] Beyond Opinion ( Monkees Fan Clubs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
So did I as her experience was interesting. Willy, you are on leave, but it actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your email. 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview. I mean, I guess you buy this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher states of consiousness. I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
[FairfieldLife] Trained Moodmaking: How It All Began
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Occupy Vedic City
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/7q528c4 Where did you find that sign?
[FairfieldLife] How I Got I First Got To Know Guru Dev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3NcwfOBzQ
[FairfieldLife] 11-11-11 Veterans Day
for the Kshatriyas. Peace and power. 11-11-11 Veterans Day http://www.box.net/s/5c6t7y4n1hejbkocayr1 3:42 I was composing this song, a little sadly, and the mystical element kept intruding, so I decided to keep it - felt authentic, and then saw that it was 11-11-11 today. Copyright Jim Flanegin and Temple Dog
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion ( Monkees Fan Clubs)
Love Keith Jarrett. Thanks for posting. Beautiful. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/230295 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
Given her looks, it was the same stick - OK, I am going to hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Just out of curiosity; did Amma ever proclaim to be a celibate ? I don't know, but there are stories of when her parents were trying to get her married and she was chasing away suitors with sticks. Makes for good press doesn't it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Not for a long time - Thank you! What a pleasant surprise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. http://tinyurl.com/csbdplz I gather you've seen this Jim
[FairfieldLife] The Beginning of Understanding There Must Be Unity Consciousness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0SIAR9TRxk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Beyond Opinion ( Monkees Fan Clubs)
Robin: I cannot believe you posted a link with no words (totally kidding). This is so beautiful. Soothes the soul. Thank you. From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beyond Opinion ( Monkees Fan Clubs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo!
Glorious...simply glorious. I love how the videos show the fingers moving over the strings. This doesn't do that, but it's a nice piece as well - Itzhak Perlman and Isaac Stern in a duet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vesrqFeq9rUfeature=fvwrel Re: Yo Denise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: snip For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related Ah. Now I wish I was a guitar. (Playing in the Alhambra, yet!) Not as cool a setting, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZvdGAGlOo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yo Maria!
Thank you Obba...I fully appreciated the thought and the great musical posts. Here's a little story for you. A woman walks into her weekly cranial sacral appointment. Let's call her Maria. She arrives a bit disheveled, having thrown herself into the shower just 15 minutes prior to the appointment, and is only just 10 minutes late. She bursts in to the backyard studio and starts apologizing. The cranial sacral guy is quietly looking at her and gently interrupts: Cranial Sacral Guy (CSG): Maria...you look different...have you lost weight? (Note: Yes, Maria wants to ideally drop 20 lbs, but that is not the primary focus of this work, nor has CSG even ever brought weight up before.) Maria: Uwell, I did get on the scale today, and no, not yet. Cranial Sacral Guy: H.wellyou look lighter. Maria: (Bursts out laughing) Intuit what you will. YMMV :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_hAujgt0A From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:22:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise! I thought starting a thread for all to post a little something for Denise to read while she is on vacation. The weather is good, the water is fine, wish you were here. Here are memories from your childhood riding in your parents car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
Denise - no need to worry, this is usual Willy-nilly stuff. I read this for the first time last year and it did have lot of personal significance for me. Very touching story. People like John might project their perverted fantasies on Osho but I believe that inspite of all the talks on sex, encouraging certain people to be sexually free he himself might have been celibate his entire life - that's the biggest irony. But he never placed any emphasis on it himself, in fact when asked if he could have sex - he said sure, my health is not so good but as soon as I get better !! From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 8:07:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? So did I as her experience was interesting. Willy, you are on leave, but it actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your email. 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview. I mean, I guess you buy this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher states of consiousness. I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust?
You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John. That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license from the government and priest do so, correct? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Use your common sense. Watch this clip and weep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ? Nabs, Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment. But IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.
[FairfieldLife] Whipped Cream
I pulled a box of old records out of my garage this week, including a few of my father's favorites I saved before Ma threw them all away. I'm going to have to buy a record player :) My sis and I used to dress up and dance to this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP7EzJtXWQMfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals
You have lost my respect whynotnow7, how dare you insult my Guru - yep you are rotting in hell for the rest of the eternity. She looks the like the most beautiful woman to me !!! From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 9:12:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video of Amma with animals Given her looks, it was the same stick - OK, I am going to hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Just out of curiosity; did Amma ever proclaim to be a celibate ? I don't know, but there are stories of when her parents were trying to get her married and she was chasing away suitors with sticks. Makes for good press doesn't it. _
[FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe. However, I'm sending this anyway. I simply could not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below because it was so non-sensical. I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say. Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not? If one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]? Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly. I think he may be trying to cater to the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence of his statements. Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? Answer: Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people. (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological function.) If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :). He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment here.) Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, she can). The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of this statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust. (Again, it's all the same thing so yes, there is. He's also speaking to our American puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong but we can't help ourselves. ). But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust. And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and may have a relationship with his wife and produce children. But, this biological lust is really really little (Yeah, right) - and can be a good solution to population problems (Please, stop). But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a woman going there and there is physical lust. After she moves away from the range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to say that an enlightened man stays in the moment). Lust came, lust went - that's all. It will not cause a problem (It might for the woman...stereotypical male statement). But, the other (unenlightened man) will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.) After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point, but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, fear-based, shame-based, slightly overweight, immuno-compromised, middle-aged, woman. Whew - now there's a good visual. Luckily, my personal version of the hopey-changey thing is beginning to work for me. I don't always know what FFL is saying, but what I'm hearing is: It's o.k., you can be here, we have a lot of experience with realities here, we are experts in management here. Oh, by the way, have you heard the one about the Raja's and the Domers? OSHO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I No transcribing needed. Freedom-hoppin' starts in pretty good here after the song gets rolling - tee hee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VzNGjL0feature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?
Denise, Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said. I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), they don't suffer from guilt, shame. In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being abused, hence no pain or suffering. From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe. However, I'm sending this anyway. I simply could not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below because it was so non-sensical. I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say. Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not? If one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]? Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly. I think he may be trying to cater to the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence of his statements. Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? Answer: Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people. (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological function.) If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :). He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment here.) Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, she can). The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of this statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust. (Again, it's all the same thing so yes, there is. He's also speaking to our American puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong but we can't help ourselves. ). But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust. And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and may have a relationship with his wife and produce children. But, this biological lust is really really little (Yeah, right) - and can be a good solution to population problems (Please, stop). But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a woman going there and there is physical lust. After she moves away from the range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to say that an enlightened man stays in the moment). Lust came, lust went - that's all. It will not cause a problem (It might for the woman...stereotypical male statement). But, the other (unenlightened man) will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.) After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point, but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, fear-based, shame-based, slightly overweight, immuno-compromised, middle-aged, woman. Whew - now there's a good visual. Luckily, my personal version of the hopey-changey thing is beginning to work for me. I don't always know what FFL is saying, but what I'm hearing is: It's o.k., you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers
Yes agreed, Robin did put it beautifully. Nabby's comments supporting clandestine sex for avowed celibates was nothing short of disgusting. But then he redeemed himself by questioning Rick on his thoughts of whether Amma was celibate. I believe it is a hypocrisy for Guru to declare themselves as celibates and then sleep around. Again for Rick to be complaining about is like complaining about politicians. As long as there are sexually repressed people looking up to celibate Gurus this game will continue. Reminds me of how every Indian politician wears a Gandhi hat and a Gandhi outfit, pretending to be humble and then would take bribes, the expression in India is under the table - so he extend a hand under the table to accept the bribes. John and Willytex remind me of the perverted, sexually repressed Christian types - morally upright citizens, begging for sex in bathroom stalls in public airports. Or perhaps like the perverted Islamic types - raping wives, sodomizing men viz Gaddhafi. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 4:19:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers I thought Robin expressed it nicely when he said that Nab has conveniently created a new dogma to replace the old one, once new details emerged about the life of MMY. And Nab defends quite vigourously this new dogma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Good to be corrected, nablusoss1008. I will take your strong objections to all that I have said, as evidence that I have got you wrong somewhere. Certainly from how you have responded to my post, I need not fear you are in any doubt about anything you believe. And if I knew how easily and perfunctorily you would give me the back of your hand, I might not have risked coming to the defence of Rick. I am a relative newcomer here at FFL; I don't know you, and I don't know the background of your relationship with Rick. I only know that to maintain that the context and reality of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation is now in 2011 exactly what it always was—say compared to 1973—seems an implausible proposition. What I sensed, nablusoss1008 was that, when you first were in Purusha—at the very beginning—you had a certain understanding and perception of Maharishi; and that given what has gone down since then, it seems only reasonable and just that you modify that understanding and perception. It appears to me you are unwilling to let history and reality reflect its truth inside your own consciousness—as if to say: Everything is on course; everything is the way it is supposed to be; Maharishi has been true to himself, to Guru Dev, and to us. And we are well on our way to heaven on earth. But inside this assertion I sense some wishful thinking; no: more than this: I sense a strangulation of the truth. I have used your disagreement with Rick to emphasize this existential fact. You seem extremely fortified in your belief that there is nothing to regret, to lament, to ponder in what has happened to Maharishi's Movement, in the failure of Transcendental Meditation to even approach what its promise was when we first were initiated, and the deterioration of Maharishi in his latter years, as he revealed that about him which was not all sweetness and light. You appear to me to be resisting mightily the reality of things. That you
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Can Rick and Robin honestly say that they never thought that not celibate being was anything special? I highly doubt it, if they did I will accept their criticism. I'm probably the only one I have run into who never placed any emphasis on the sexual life or for that matter any undue emphasis on the personality of a Guru. So MMY reflected the consciousness of the 20 year old Rick and a 20 year old Robin, they wanted their Guru to be celibate, they wanted the Guru to be special, they wanted their cult/religion to be special, so guess what he gave it to them. For them to cry of hypocrisy after they have matured is just fucking bullshit. So keep your fucking mouths shut - Rick and Robin, OK? You don't have any standing to fucking accuse MMY of hypocrisy. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:20:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers Yes agreed, Robin did put it beautifully. Nabby's comments supporting clandestine sex for avowed celibates was nothing short of disgusting. But then he redeemed himself by questioning Rick on his thoughts of whether Amma was celibate. I believe it is a hypocrisy for Guru to declare themselves as celibates and then sleep around. Again for Rick to be complaining about is like complaining about politicians. As long as there are sexually repressed people looking up to celibate Gurus this game will continue. Reminds me of how every Indian politician wears a Gandhi hat and a Gandhi outfit, pretending to be humble and then would take bribes, the expression in India is under the table - so he extend a hand under the table to accept the bribes. John and Willytex remind me of the perverted, sexually repressed Christian types - morally upright citizens, begging for sex in bathroom stalls in public airports. Or perhaps like the perverted Islamic types - raping wives, sodomizing men viz Gaddhafi. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 4:19:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayor's Dome Numbers I thought Robin expressed it nicely when he said that Nab has conveniently created a new dogma to replace the old one, once new details emerged about the life of MMY. And Nab defends quite vigourously this new dogma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Robin, I find my thinking pretty close to nablus's, in that there is no regret or anything else except peacefulness regarding how Maharishi's life played out with regard to what he did. I was not a TM teacher, nor did I ever see him in person. However Maharishi's goal of bringing a completely useful technique for self discovery to me, worked perfectly (albeit on the backs of the TM teachers). So it depends whether you worked for the company, or simply used their services. As a consumer, it was a good deal, especially work/study, where I could earn techniques as a trade for learning a vocation, especially in my mid-20's when I didn't know anything anyway. My consideration for TTC lasted as long as my 'where's the beef?' moment did (there wasn't any), and that was it. As *The Guy*, Maharishi, I know him through his techniques, and the BG 1-6, which I studied rigorously and underlined meticulously at 23. His videotapes too. I always felt kinda guilty for not adoring Maharishi like everyone else did. I had a great admiration for him, but much more for his teacher, Guru Dev. His facial expressions and posture signify The Transcendent for me, his synchronicity with galaxies wheeling through space, his love of his fellow man, and the embodiment of invincibility, living in the jungle, a great inspiration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Good to be corrected, nablusoss1008. I will take your strong objections to all that I have said, as evidence that I have got you wrong somewhere. Certainly from how you have responded to my post, I need not fear you are in any doubt about anything you believe. And if I knew how easily and perfunctorily you would give me the back of your hand, I might not have risked coming to the defence of Rick. I am a relative newcomer here at FFL; I don't know you, and I don't know the background of your relationship with Rick. I only know that to maintain that the context and reality of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Transcendental Meditation is now in 2011 exactly what it always was—say compared to 1973—seems an implausible proposition. What I sensed, nablusoss1008 was that, when you first were in Purusha—at the very beginning—you had a certain understanding and perception of Maharishi; and that given what has gone down since then, it seems only reasonable and just that you modify that understanding and
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Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one... I'll have to make more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? Denise, Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said. I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), they don't suffer from guilt, shame. In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being abused, hence no pain or suffering. From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe. However, I'm sending this anyway. I simply could not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below because it was so non-sensical. I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say. Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not? If one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]? Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly. I think he may be trying to cater to the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence of his statements. Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? Answer: Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people. (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological function.) If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :). He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment here.) Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, she can). The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of this statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust. (Again, it's all the same thing so yes, there is. He's also speaking to our American puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong but we can't help ourselves. ). But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust. And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and may have a relationship with his wife and produce children. But, this biological lust is really really little (Yeah, right) - and can be a good solution to population problems (Please, stop). But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a woman going there and there is physical lust. After she moves away from the range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to say that an enlightened man stays in the moment). Lust came, lust went - that's all. It will not cause a problem (It might for the woman...stereotypical male statement). But, the other (unenlightened man) will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.) After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point, but
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Dear Denise, FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my fucking mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage in spiritual discussions. My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously blessed by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, pimp for daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own wife. I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always followed love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I like John, Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license to sleep with her. I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual fantasies. Not to talk about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex. I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power heal and ascend. You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru. Love - Ravi From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:43:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one... I'll have to make more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? Denise, Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said. I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), they don't suffer from guilt, shame. In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being abused, hence no pain or suffering. From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust? This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe. However, I'm sending this anyway. I simply could not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below because it was so non-sensical. I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say. Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not? If one pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]? Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly. I think he may be trying to cater to the American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence of his statements. Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person? Answer: Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people. (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological function.) If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your wife this week too :). He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment here.) Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, she can). The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good
