[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Patriot Day
Barry2 is usually a sensible guy. But the fact that he dosen't believe that 9/11 happened is very much like Ahmednutjob stating that he dosen't believe that the Holocaust ever happened. --- Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: You freaking idiot! Everybody knows Elvis did it! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:05 PM I was looking at my calendar a few days back and notice a holiday or red date on it for today. It was titled Patriot Day. I didn't know that the 11th of September now has an official day attributed to it. With what the government has done in the name of protecting us it should be called Treasonist Day. As you know I never bought the official story of 9-11. I don't believe it was done by a pack of Arab terrorists armed with box cutters and who couldn't even fly a Cessna right. But I also don't believe the government was totally behind it. Instead I believe that factions of the military industrial complex in conjunction with some members of the military and government and even a certain foreign power had something to do with it. After all, what would Islamic terrorists have to gain from such an attack? They would have reasoned that what such an attack would have brought the US military down on their heads and indeed that happened. Just look at all the money the military industrial complex has made since 9-11. Billions upon billions and probably such an attack with it's collateral damage would be justifiable in their minds for all that money. After all they deal in the business of murder. Besides they had the money to have think tanks design such an attack without knowing what they were doing (like telling them that they needed the scenario to figure out some defensive gear against them). Plus how convenient to have a military exercise on that day to confuse things. There is a lot of conflicting evidence over 9-11. WTC 7 which was not hit by any plane yet brought down apparently by internal explosives. The crash pattern of flight 93 which doesn't make sense either and even first reported brought down by members of the Happy Hooligans, a military flight group. And then with all the video cameras around the Pentagon and footage from private company cameras in that area confiscated why do we have only one brief video of the supposed airliner flying into the building. Even that looks more like a missile than some jet. I have a cousin that was working in the hit section of the Pentagon but he was told to work at home that day due to remodeling of that section. Dr. Gary Null had a great show this morning on 9-11 on his Progressive Radio Network. You can download the podcast here: http://www.prn.fm/ And of course Alex Jones (who sounds more like a meditator noticing how large segments of the public seem ignorant anymore, hey, maybe he's enlightened) has a show you can download at http://www.infowars.com/ . Alex is focusing on a lot of evidence that is not speculation but factually reported. So anyway have a happy Patriot Day and go get yourself groped by the TSA.
[FairfieldLife] What spiritual practice could learn from the Olympics
Not being a sports freak, I didn't watch much of the recent Olympics. But I write -- both for fun and for work -- at a cafe at which many people were glued to their big-screen TVs watching people compete in the Olympics for the fleeting honor of being considered The Best at something. And that got me to thinking about spiritual practice, and what I see as one of the worst -- and over the long term, most debilitating -- aspects of it. Believing what their spiritual teachers have told them, people come to believe that what they SAY is more important than what they actually DO. Take the claims made by Maharishi and the TM organization that TM makes people more creative. Where is the actual proof of that? And I'm *not* talking about scientific studies, because that's just magicians' misdirection, a way of saying, OK, I really can't show you anything that *I* have ever done that was creative, and neither can any of my close TM friends, but look at this study done at the University of P.O. Box 2000 that *proves* that TMers are more creative because they scored better on tests that someone, somewhere said were indicative of creativity. Take the claims that TM improves social interaction. Do you see a lot of *proof* of this in the day-to-day interactions on FFL of long-term TMer proselytutes? Seems to me that the vast majority of their interactions are pretty soap-opera-y, acting out long-term grudges and doing their best to make Junior High School students look more mature than they are. But I'd bet that the very people doing this can SAY a lot about how much better their social interactions are; they can even probably point to studies that prove it. What I liked about the Olympics that I watched out of the corner of my eye while writing user manuals, training courses, movie reviews and articles about health-related topics was that what the individual athletes SAID about their abilities didn't mean shit. It all came down to what they could DO in the actual races or events. Dozens of athletes performed in each event, but only three got medals. Nothing that any of the other athletes could possibly SAY could either take those medals away from the people who worked hard to achieve them, or to put medals around their own necks. Now think about Maharishi, and the insanely BAD ADVICE he gave to tens of thousands -- possibly millions -- of people who actually thought he was wise when he SAID it: Do less and accomplish more; do nothing and accomplish everything. This is what we call in the writing trade a meaningless platitude, otherwise known as bullshit. It holds true in no real arena of accomplishment on the planet other than the largely fantasy worlds of spiritual advancement and the pursuit of enlightenment. The people who medaled at the Olympics *worked their butts off* to be able to win them. They were aided by genetics and innate natural ability, of course, but the bottom line cause of their accomplishment was classic hard work. They did more and accomplished more. I think that Maharishi did people an enormous disservice by convincing them that all one has to do is meditate and good things will happen in their lives as a result. And that all they have to do is sit on their butts (or bounce on them) and they can accomplish anything they can imagine. What has that produced? I mean really -- *measurably*? What are the actual *accomplishments* of the people in the Domes who think of themselves as The Best because they manage to find their way there twice a day? Where are the novels written, the great music composed, the fortunes made or humanitarian organizations founded by these Best people? Where are their actual, physical *accomplishments* that they can show us as a result of Doing less and accomplishing more? Where is the *proof* that they Did nothing and accomplished everything? All I hear is a lot of talk. People SAY all sorts of shit. Like how enlightened they are, while acting in many cases like assholes. (We've seen a few of those here on FFL.) People SAY that they've got lots going on in their lives, but they rarely ever talk about what that lots actually is; *whatever* it is, it doesn't seem to be interesting enough for them to write about it here and share it with other people. I say put up or shut up. What you SAY about the benefits you've gained from TM (or whatever your particular spiritual practice may be) doesn't mean shit. If you claim it's made you more creative, show us the money -- post something creative. If you SAY it's made you enlightened, show us something that resembles the things we were told to associate with enlightenment. If you SAY that TM is the fastest, most effective path to enlightenment, show us someone enlightened. And then *prove* to us that they're enlightened. What you SAY don't mean shit. It's what you DO that matters. Your epitaph, when it comes time for one, is not going to really reflect what you SAID about your life; it's going to reflect what you actually
[FairfieldLife] The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
Having rapped once this morning about the concept so often pushed out by TM and TMers of it/them being The Best, I thought I'd balance things somewhat and rap about another concept. As much as I may appreciate people whose aspiration -- like Olympic athletes -- is to become The Best at something, I'm personally just not drawn that way. In both spiritual pursuits and more mundane ones, I'm more attracted to folks who have learned the quiet joys of being ordinary. I just did an Amazon Look inside this book search of Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living, looking for instances of a word. I got zero results. None. Nada. Bupkus. This doesn't surprise me, because in the many years I studied with him, I can't recall him having ever used the word in any talk or lecture. But if you think about it, that *should* be a bit surprising, because this word is the *basis* of many other spiritual teachings and traditions. They give whole talks devoted to this word and concept. They write whole books about it. Much of their daily practice is devoted to achieving it. The word is humility. The dictionary defines humility as The quality or state of being humble. Looking up humble, it is defined as Not proud or haughty; reflecting or expressing a spirit of deference. The Dalai Lama, in one of his talks on this subject, has said, Any sense of conceit or self-importance gets in the way of cultivating the genuine altruistic intention, and the most effective remedy against this is the cultivation of humility. Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Different strokes for different folks, eh? Anyway, I'm a big fan of humility, in the sense of realizing one's ordinariness and *lack* of self importance. This, to me, is a portal that leads to the ability to better empathize with one's fellow human beings. And that, of course, leads to the ability to be more of service to them. There are a few folks here on Fairfield Life who I think -- based on the things they write -- get humility. You see it in the way they describe the people on the street they interact with (think Curtis and Marek) and you see it in the things they aspire to or fail to aspire to (think Xeno and some others, who have given up the one-pointed pursuit of enlightenment in favor of the pursuit of just living a fun or meaningful life). Then there are others, who *don't* seem content with being ordinary. We've been told here that the highest goal in life is to aspire to becoming enlightened. Or to create world peace by being so important that the very thud of your buttocks on slabs of foam creates world peace. Call me crazy, but I don't see a lot of humility in these aspirations. I also don't see a lot of happiness and fulfillment in the people who pursue them. It's as if they're never satisfied. There's this carrot dangling somewhere on the end of a stick in front of them, and they won't allow themselves to be truly happy until they've grabbed it. Sounds like a dumb way to live one's life to me. Some people need big, enormous, ostentatious and above all IMPORTANT goals in life. Enlightenment. World peace. I like people who have more humble goals, like just trying to be as happy as they can in their daily lives, and trying to do as much as they can to help the people they personally interact with every day to be a little happier themselves. Those goals sound just fine to me; I don't see why anyone would need loftier ones. But then I have listened to a lot of songs by Bruce Cockburn, a guy who gets humility, too. His lyrics and his way of looking at things may have warped me. When he sings verses like the following, I get the feeling he's actually onto something: To be one more voice in the human choir Rising like smoke from the mystical fire Of the heart Not the voice. Not even the lead singer. Just one more voice. Now that's humble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfssmB4ok0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfssmB4ok0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open Letter Apology From Barry Wright
Actually, it's Barry's way of saying, All hands to battle-stations, this is not a drill. All hands to battle-stations, this is not a drill. Red alert, Judy alert, Red alert, Judy alert... --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LOL! Nailed it! --- awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: There have been two apology letters written just today from two of the higher-profile posters here at FFL Judy and Robin. Well, the hell with that. I too want to make my indelible mark with regard to apologizing. And here it is, so pay attention folks as I'm only going to say this once. I, Barry Wright, will never write an apology letter here at FFL. And not only that, I am going to tell you ten reasons why. 1) I am Barry Wright. 2) Apologizing is for sissies. And in case you hadn't noticed, I ain't no sissy. I am the counterpoint to all that is sissy on this planet. 3) I am an experienced spiritual seeker who has spent years of my life devoting myself to a range of spiritual teachers. I gave my life to the pursuit of the high and holy. In the end I discovered there is no holy and high refers only to the result of drinking too much Dutch beer. So, I am realized, I know many things, more than any of you so why would I need to apologize to the ignorant masses? (Pass me another beer peon.) 4) I am never wrong or hurtful. If you think you are hurt by what I have said I was only pushing your buttons. If you are offended or traumatized it is your fault. It has nothing to do with me. So why should I take any responsibility for your pain or confusion for having merely moved my finger and pressed your switch? 5) You all bore me. To death. If anything, you should all apologize to me. I am the one having to suffer through all of your interminable posting and long-winded or, in most cases, stupid ideas. In fact, I have incurred so much merit just tolerating the rest of you bores that I get an automatic You never have to apologize to anyone golden ticket. 6) I have been unjustly the victim of craziness. For example, pure, unadulterated bat-shit, loony-tune old hags and has-been or never-was ex-cult leaders have pursued me at FFL. I have endured some of this for almost two decades. Again, I realize as I write this that it is all of you who owe me the apology as this has been relentless and totally unwarranted. 7) I am by far the most interesting poster here. My range of interests and subject matter encompass great scope. I add such variety and insight with my commentary and wit. If it wasn't for me you would all just remain so damn dumb. I am your cultural beacon. Just because of that I need never apologize, I am too valuable on this forum. 8) I am Barry Wright (and this counts twice, at least). 9) I have a magnificent sense of the inherent significance of any post without actually reading it. I can sense it. It is in my bones and in my blood. I can tell that 90% of what is written here is not worth a moment of my time or attention. For this reason alone I will never have to apologize. 10) I will never apologize because I do not understand what good could possibly come from doing so. Because it would make me look weak and in order to apologize I would have to realize and see that I had done something hurtful or untrue to someone else. I mean, what could I possibly gain from admitting I was wrong or am not infallible? Only losers apologize. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the bottom line on all this insanity should be given to the two people causing most of it: APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just having a bad night, after realizing the truth about myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing all this just got me down, that's all, so I made up some shit about you. Sorry. - Robin W. Carlsen APOLOGY FROM JUDY: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in my life and it really, really, really gets my panties in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't like. When that happens I see red and go a little crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
Granted that humility was never exactly one of TM-org's strong points nor was MMY's. The main complaint by people like Vaj and few others is that these kind of cults create a huge ego in the sadhaka by telling them that this is the best path and they have the highest and most noble goals. They also create a prejudice in the minds of Sadhakas who fail to appreciate other valid alternate paths and ways of life. Their mind becomes rigid and dogmatic. However, please note that all organised religions on this planet are also guilty of this. If Maharishi had taught a number of different meditations techniques, Judy would be on the forum defending all them as the best and highest and the truest path. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Having rapped once this morning about the concept so often pushed out by TM and TMers of it/them being The Best, I thought I'd balance things somewhat and rap about another concept. As much as I may appreciate people whose aspiration -- like Olympic athletes -- is to become The Best at something, I'm personally just not drawn that way. In both spiritual pursuits and more mundane ones, I'm more attracted to folks who have learned the quiet joys of being ordinary. I just did an Amazon Look inside this book search of Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living, looking for instances of a word. I got zero results. None. Nada. Bupkus. This doesn't surprise me, because in the many years I studied with him, I can't recall him having ever used the word in any talk or lecture. But if you think about it, that *should* be a bit surprising, because this word is the *basis* of many other spiritual teachings and traditions. They give whole talks devoted to this word and concept. They write whole books about it. Much of their daily practice is devoted to achieving it. The word is humility. The dictionary defines humility as The quality or state of being humble. Looking up humble, it is defined as Not proud or haughty; reflecting or expressing a spirit of deference. The Dalai Lama, in one of his talks on this subject, has said, Any sense of conceit or self-importance gets in the way of cultivating the genuine altruistic intention, and the most effective remedy against this is the cultivation of humility. Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Different strokes for different folks, eh? Anyway, I'm a big fan of humility, in the sense of realizing one's ordinariness and *lack* of self importance. This, to me, is a portal that leads to the ability to better empathize with one's fellow human beings. And that, of course, leads to the ability to be more of service to them. There are a few folks here on Fairfield Life who I think -- based on the things they write -- get humility. You see it in the way they describe the people on the street they interact with (think Curtis and Marek) and you see it in the things they aspire to or fail to aspire to (think Xeno and some others, who have given up the one-pointed pursuit of enlightenment in favor of the pursuit of just living a fun or meaningful life). Then there are others, who *don't* seem content with being ordinary. We've been told here that the highest goal in life is to aspire to becoming enlightened. Or to create world peace by being so important that the very thud of your buttocks on slabs of foam creates world peace. Call me crazy, but I don't see a lot of humility in these aspirations. I also don't see a lot of happiness and fulfillment in the people who pursue them. It's as if they're never satisfied. There's this carrot dangling somewhere on the end of a stick in front of them, and they won't allow themselves to be truly happy until they've grabbed it. Sounds like a dumb way to live one's life to me. Some people need big, enormous, ostentatious and above all IMPORTANT goals in life. Enlightenment. World peace. I like people who have more humble goals, like just trying to be as happy as they can in their daily lives, and trying to do as much as they can to help the people they personally interact with every day to be a little happier themselves. Those goals sound just fine to me; I don't see why anyone would need loftier ones. But then I have listened to a lot of songs by Bruce Cockburn, a guy who gets humility, too. His lyrics and his way of looking at things may have warped me. When he sings verses like the following, I get the feeling he's actually onto something: To be one more voice in the human choir Rising like smoke from the mystical fire Of the heart Not the voice. Not even the lead singer. Just one more voice. Now that's humble.
[FairfieldLife] Chandogya Upanishad
I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Granted that humility was never exactly one of TM-org's strong points nor was MMY's. The main complaint by people like Vaj and few others is that these kind of cults create a huge ego in the sadhaka by telling them that this is the best path and they have the highest and most noble goals. They also create a prejudice in the minds of Sadhakas who fail to appreciate other valid alternate paths and ways of life. Their mind becomes rigid and dogmatic. You guys just don't know, really it's about alpha. TM'ers have the most alpha and alpha coherence between everywhere brain, and therefore are the best-est. The others don't even come close. This is clear in the alpha science. By the science of alpha TM is world class meditation and TM'ers are world-class spiritual human-being people. By definition TM'ers are doing less and also accomplishing more in life spiritually. Everyone else evidently are spiritual losers. You need to go back to school. -Buck in the Dome However, please note that all organised religions on this planet are also guilty of this. If Maharishi had taught a number of different meditations techniques, Judy would be on the forum defending all them as the best and highest and the truest path. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Having rapped once this morning about the concept so often pushed out by TM and TMers of it/them being The Best, I thought I'd balance things somewhat and rap about another concept. As much as I may appreciate people whose aspiration -- like Olympic athletes -- is to become The Best at something, I'm personally just not drawn that way. In both spiritual pursuits and more mundane ones, I'm more attracted to folks who have learned the quiet joys of being ordinary. I just did an Amazon Look inside this book search of Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living, looking for instances of a word. I got zero results. None. Nada. Bupkus. This doesn't surprise me, because in the many years I studied with him, I can't recall him having ever used the word in any talk or lecture. But if you think about it, that *should* be a bit surprising, because this word is the *basis* of many other spiritual teachings and traditions. They give whole talks devoted to this word and concept. They write whole books about it. Much of their daily practice is devoted to achieving it. The word is humility. The dictionary defines humility as The quality or state of being humble. Looking up humble, it is defined as Not proud or haughty; reflecting or expressing a spirit of deference. The Dalai Lama, in one of his talks on this subject, has said, Any sense of conceit or self-importance gets in the way of cultivating the genuine altruistic intention, and the most effective remedy against this is the cultivation of humility. Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Different strokes for different folks, eh? Anyway, I'm a big fan of humility, in the sense of realizing one's ordinariness and *lack* of self importance. This, to me, is a portal that leads to the ability to better empathize with one's fellow human beings. And that, of course, leads to the ability to be more of service to them. There are a few folks here on Fairfield Life who I think -- based on the things they write -- get humility. You see it in the way they describe the people on the street they interact with (think Curtis and Marek) and you see it in the things they aspire to or fail to aspire to (think Xeno and some others, who have given up the one-pointed pursuit of enlightenment in favor of the pursuit of just living a fun or meaningful life). Then there are others, who *don't* seem content with being ordinary. We've been told here that the highest goal in life is to aspire to becoming enlightened. Or to create world peace by being so important that the very thud of your buttocks on slabs of foam creates world peace. Call me crazy, but I don't see a lot of humility in these aspirations. I also don't see a lot of happiness and fulfillment in the people who pursue them. It's as if they're never satisfied. There's this carrot dangling somewhere on the end of a stick in front of them, and they won't allow themselves to be truly happy until they've grabbed it. Sounds like a dumb way to live one's life to me. Some people need big, enormous, ostentatious and above all IMPORTANT goals in life. Enlightenment. World peace. I like people who have more humble goals, like just trying to be as happy as they can in their daily lives, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Teaching Process: synthetic vs. synthesis
BTW, based on past exchanges I anticipate a chorus of non-TM teachers saying, Buh...buh...but the TM teachers *I* knew didn't just parrot things. They came up with a lot of the things they said on their own. My question to such folks is, How would you know? YOU didn't have access to the courses and the tapes that these teachers did. How would you know whether the things they said were their own, or merely being repeated from having heard them from some tape or some course somewhere? I'd love to hear you explain this... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As some here may have noticed :-), I have a problem with one of the buzz-phrases that Maharishi used when training teachers of TM. That phrase is, Every question is the perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared. I'm sure he liked this idea for several reasons. The first is that it implied to the wannabee teachers that even though they *knew* that their personal experience with meditation, let alone with higher states of consciousness, did not qualify them to be teachers, if they just memorized enough stuff, they would be prepared for any question that might arise. The second, of course, is that it reinforced Maharishi's ideas of maintaining the purity of the teaching, his interpretation of which was that his teachers mainly parrot his words, so as not to make any of them impure by adding or subtracting anything. The third is that he -- doing essentially the same thing by repeating the things he'd been taught -- possibly knew no other way to teach. He preferred to train his teachers as parrots performing a kind synthetic teaching by mindlessly repeating the teachings of others. Because that's what *he* had been. There are other ways to teach. Segue to the experience of actually teaching TM. Many of the most vociferous TM supporters on this forum have never had this experience, so I expect them to wisely keep out of this discussion. Yeah, right...like that's gonna happen. :-) Many TM teachers -- both those I've encountered in real life and those I've run into in cyberspace -- feel that the part of teaching TM they liked best was the synthetic, by-the-numbers part. Giving intro lectures, exactly the way that they'd been taught to give them. Performing the puja and actually teaching TM to someone, repeating the words of the puja and the steps of initiation *exactly* as they'd been taught to do. Or doing the three nights of checking, again just as they'd been taught. All of this was neat, I guess, but I wasn't as into it as many other TM teachers were. What I liked were the advanced lectures, either at center meetings on on residence courses. Even though I now know that not a single one of them I ever gave was in any sense advanced -- more like advanced kindergarten as opposed to really advanced -- I had more fun with them because they allowed for a more interesting form of the teaching process: synthesis. Synthesis I define to some extent as reversing the flow of spiritual learning. Instead of kicking back and taking it all in from some supposed expert or authority, you allow all the data bits you've taken in over the years to percolate inside you, to mix and match with other data bits you've heard from other sources or discovered in your own meditations or spiritual experiences, and then you reverse the flow and send them out to the world. It's a real high, in a way that merely parroting someone else's thoughts and words is not. This would happen to some extent when thinking up the talks themselves -- choosing a subject, researching it, and putting it into a proper order for presentation. I had FUN with some of the topics I came up with, and became notorious in the Western Region for talks such as SCI and Sci-Fi. But the most fun for me was answering questions. For me, *not* every question was the perfect opportunity to parrot the answer I'd already prepared. In fact, when some of the questions were asked, I'd realize that I had no earthly idea how to answer them. But then an answer would form. Because I was still a TB, none of these answers deviated in any significant way from the canned, synthetic answers Maharishi preferred, but they were *my* answers, based on a combination of things he'd said, things I'd read, and things I'd experienced. Feeling the answers formulate themselves inside me was a fun kind of frog in a blender experience; I could literally *feel* them coming together, and forming into something cohesive. And they must not have been the most off the wall answers in the world, much less Off The Program answers, because I became considered one of the best lecturers on the West Coast. Jerry Jarvis consistently asked me to do guest spots in TM centers and on residence courses. Which is NOT a way of tooting my own horn, just a way of pointing out that one can deviate from the prepared answers without deviating
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Ss28zjcEfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey Robin, Thanks for your reply. Sort of an indulgence when other stuff is going on here, but a few comments. As you know, many times I read posts rather quickly, and may miss some nuances. But I don't generally try to argue with, or analyze funny. I like funny and usually I will take it a face value. I found Barry's post to be funny. And I thought it delivered some well deserved pay back to you and Judy. Sorry about that, but that's what I felt. Steve, I honestly don't know why you and Curtis got sucked into this sucker's game. Robin has clearly lured you both into his same old same old routine of interacting with him endlessly, with him calling the shots and getting you to jump through hoops. And ALL OVER SOME DRAMA QUEEN HYSTERICS THAT NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BOTHER WITH. My apologies from Robin and Judy were not in any way supposed to be irony, or even funny. They were an attempt to convey -- in as few words as possible -- what they should really say in such an apology if they were in the least bit honest. With themselves, and with others here. These are crazy people. They reduced Fairfield Life yesterday to their level, and sucked other people into it. If you're got the time to waste on such bullshit, I leave you to it. I do not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: to Merudanda I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
Thank you for lovingkindness humor wisdom of past months. Ho'oponpono too. All the best always sharefalong From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Oh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be Sedon(a)-izing her kids- demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. Sharing can't make them leave, and they won't let Share be if she don't let them come out to play? The fat one on the slide is it Rage? He was good, so he's out of the cage. He doesn't play nice, and sometimes, he bites; Yeah, he's hard to assuage. The cute one, you may like is Lust. For her, the see-saw's a must. But don't let her fool you, she's really quite cruel, too. In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust. See little one there is named Pout. (Bet you guessed what he's all about.) He loves to swing on wingy swings, and sometimes, breaking things, if Share don't give in to her shouts. Look the last one outside is Sorrow. She plays with toys that are borrowed. A real downer, she is. Doesn't like other kids, But she'll always be out again tomorrow Sedonizing Share's demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. We can't make them leave. Does they let her be if she don't let them come out to play? Is the way into you a narrow road? Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded? Is the way into you tiny, yeah Can't you get there in a single stride? Can't you get there without a guide? Is the way into you Is it a narrow road? With goodbyes and hellos? That flank each winding bend so these people want to be your friend You not seek, and so you'll found; Will traveled rooted to the ground. Words that in jest you uttered here May wisdom in the heavenly sphere. (All men's questions and replies Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise) If you wish to learn of me Forget all this immediately; Forget there's such a thing to do - And then perchance I'll wink at you. Nameless mother of ten thousand things From the unlocked cage of your heart White doves of love will go winging, Wild larks of song golden rise singing, The ice of your heart is then broken, broken, Joy's fountain leaps in the air; And all the while no word was spoken: You'll only looked at something fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Dear Ann, poor Share was at writing group for 2 hours this afternoon, then Sedona Method for an hour, then Dome, then dinner, then library, now here. At one point I had over 80 unread emails. The other forum is also being quite active today. Before the Dome I saw that Robin had posted what he sent me offline last night. In return I posted the reply I sent to him last night. I've had a quick glance at 2 of his posts from after that. In one of them he says he corrected something from yesterday. I heard a groan in my head! In the other he indicates that he's not satisfied with my reconciliation efforts. I'll read both of those more carefully this evening. Having asked Robin what more I can do, I sense that I've done my best. It seems that is not good enough for him. Nonetheless I wish him all the best always. Thank you for all your kindness and support Share PS Anyone who still has discomfort about my part in all this is welcome to email me directly. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Hoo boy, and I thought I was getting confused with the quotes and poems from various famous authors and poets whose excerpts were being posted here by various members. Now I have to contend with letters written by one person using another person's name. If I'm confused you can only imagine poor Share...let alone Steve. I think we might just be about to hear from Curtis any minute now as well. God, this place rocks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: much snipping I have to think, Judy, that you would take exception to someone describing an entirely fictitious conversation with you as though it had occurred. I also think that you might take exception to someone writing posts with your byline, (Steve has explained he didn't mean using someone else's account ID.) even if it is done in the name of so called irony. My feeling is that you would request that such a person refrain from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space Well, whadya know! Seems to me the chandoga-s (chandas-singers[1], saama-veda gang) are all for YF, because the word for space in the original Sanskrit text is aakaasha! LoL! 1. chaandogya = [upaniSat (upanishad)] of the chandoga-s
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Exemplar of Civic Virtue
Obituary: J Christopher Stevens. In a dark place he was one of us. An Arjuna, A Statesman, A Mediator, A Meditator. Om Shanti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19571272 Buried in sorrow and in sin At hell's dark door he lay; But we arise by grace divine To see a heav'nly day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Exemplar of Civic Virtue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Obituary: J Christopher Stevens. In a dark place he was one of us. An Arjuna, A Statesman, A Mediator, A Meditator. Om Shanti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19571272 Don't know why you call him a meditator, although he may well have been one, having grown up in California and been in the Peace Corps. What strikes me about this whole sad business is that it's all caused by religion. The Embassy was stormed, presumably by fanatical Muslims, because they'd seen or heard about a couple of clips on YouTube of an anti-Islam film made by an Israeli Jew and promoted by an Egyptian Christian.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: PS to Ann I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
About real world vs FFL: my Vancouver ex and I met in a forum. We lived together for a year. Now we're sweet friends, emailing most days. So realness increased somehow and continues to. Plus in person I know Rick and Alex and Robert and now Raunchy and even Buck though I doubt he remembers when we sat next to each other at a lecture. It sounds like feste lives a few blocks from me. I knew you and Curtis long ago. I knew Ravi on a previous forum. I still interact with Jim on another forum. At a funeral I read something beautiful that Edg wrote about a deceased and beloved member of that other forum. I'm just saying that realness, in this online social context, for me, exists on a continuum. And it can be wonderful when realness increases. Share From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yes, sometimes foolish, sometimes wise we are. Because this is a learning place. We are all going to make mistakes. Good to develop wise compassion. Even about ourselves. And to apologize if appropriate. Make amends. Intend to do better next time. Act wisely to mature the undeveloped aspects of ourselves. TM, Sedona Method, mindfulness, lovingkindness, humor, ect. Whatever helps us become a better person, more loving, more truthful. This is the best anyone can do. And it is good enough to do. I am open to other thoughts and suggestions. I think, with all due respect Share, that if you want to develop and practice these noble aspirations that you list above then do this in the 'real world'. FFL is simply not that. Many of us are not quite as we seem here at FFL as we are offline. I know this for a fact. It is like trying to practice real medicine on some hospital theme soap opera. FFL is a place to stretch some boundaries, to play a little and sometimes to fight but you aren't going to change anyone here and many times sincerity and vulnerability get sacrificed, brutally. Don't take this place or your role in it too seriously. That would be my best advice. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!  Oh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be Sedon(a)-izing her kids- demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. Sharing can't make them leave, and they won't let Share be if she don't let them come out to play? The fat one on the slide is it Rage? He was good, so he's out of the cage. He doesn't play nice, and sometimes, he bites; Yeah, he's hard to assuage. The cute one, you may like is Lust. For her, the see-saw's a must. But don't let her fool you, she's really quite cruel, too. In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust. See little one there is named Pout. (Bet you guessed what he's all about.) He loves to swing on wingy swings, and sometimes, breaking things, if Share don't give in to her shouts. Look the last one outside is Sorrow. She plays with toys that are borrowed. A real downer, she is. Doesn't like other kids, But she'll always be out again tomorrow Sedonizing Share's demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. We can't make them leave. Does they let her be if she don't let them come out to play? Is the way into you a narrow road? Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded? Is the way into you tiny, yeah Can't you get there in a single stride? Can't you get there without a guide? Is the way into you Is it a narrow road? With goodbyes and hellos? That flank each winding bend so these people want to be your friend You not seek, and so you'll found; Will traveled rooted to the ground. Words that in jest you uttered here May wisdom in the heavenly sphere. (All men's questions and replies Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise) If you wish to learn of me Forget all this immediately; Forget there's such a thing to do - And then perchance I'll wink at you. Nameless mother of ten thousand things From the unlocked cage of your heart White doves of love will go winging, Wild larks of song golden rise singing, The ice of your heart is then broken, broken, Joy's fountain leaps in the air; And all the while no word was spoken: You'll only looked at something fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Dear Ann, poor Share was at writing group for 2 hours this afternoon, then Sedona Method for an hour, then Dome, then dinner, then library, now here. At one point I had over 80 unread emails.Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Patriot Day
Jason: Barry2 is usually a sensible guy. Truther. Blame it on Bush. Go figure. 'Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts' http://tinyurl.com/966sjba But the fact that he dosen't believe that 9/11 happened is very much like Ahmednutjob stating that he dosen't believe that the Holocaust ever happened. You freaking idiot! Everybody knows Elvis did it! As you know I never bought the official story of 9-11...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
Huh?! Whoops should have added that this is Juan Mascaro translation published by Penguin Classics in 1965. Yep I've been told before that there are other translations. I like this one. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space Well, whadya know! Seems to me the chandoga-s (chandas-singers[1], saama-veda gang) are all for YF, because the word for space in the original Sanskrit text is aakaasha! LoL! 1. chaandogya = [upaniSat (upanishad)] of the chandoga-s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
I'm pretty sure Kabir ripped this off in one of his poems. When I checked what was in my inner shrine recently I didn't get the stars and universe but I did find my missing Rollerblade skate key so now I can rotate my ground down wheels, yeah! I may not ever get the big prize of enlightenment but I can celebrate the little things with the best of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
So, now it's all about Robin and Barry. LoL! turquoiseb: Having rapped once this morning about the concept so often pushed out by TM and TMers of it/them being The Best, I thought I'd balance things somewhat and rap about another concept. As much as I may appreciate people whose aspiration -- like Olympic athletes -- is to become The Best at something, I'm personally just not drawn that way. In both spiritual pursuits and more mundane ones, I'm more attracted to folks who have learned the quiet joys of being ordinary. I just did an Amazon Look inside this book search of Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living, looking for instances of a word. I got zero results. None. Nada. Bupkus. This doesn't surprise me, because in the many years I studied with him, I can't recall him having ever used the word in any talk or lecture. But if you think about it, that *should* be a bit surprising, because this word is the *basis* of many other spiritual teachings and traditions. They give whole talks devoted to this word and concept. They write whole books about it. Much of their daily practice is devoted to achieving it. The word is humility. The dictionary defines humility as The quality or state of being humble. Looking up humble, it is defined as Not proud or haughty; reflecting or expressing a spirit of deference. The Dalai Lama, in one of his talks on this subject, has said, Any sense of conceit or self-importance gets in the way of cultivating the genuine altruistic intention, and the most effective remedy against this is the cultivation of humility. Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Different strokes for different folks, eh? Anyway, I'm a big fan of humility, in the sense of realizing one's ordinariness and *lack* of self importance. This, to me, is a portal that leads to the ability to better empathize with one's fellow human beings. And that, of course, leads to the ability to be more of service to them. There are a few folks here on Fairfield Life who I think -- based on the things they write -- get humility. You see it in the way they describe the people on the street they interact with (think Curtis and Marek) and you see it in the things they aspire to or fail to aspire to (think Xeno and some others, who have given up the one-pointed pursuit of enlightenment in favor of the pursuit of just living a fun or meaningful life). Then there are others, who *don't* seem content with being ordinary. We've been told here that the highest goal in life is to aspire to becoming enlightened. Or to create world peace by being so important that the very thud of your buttocks on slabs of foam creates world peace. Call me crazy, but I don't see a lot of humility in these aspirations. I also don't see a lot of happiness and fulfillment in the people who pursue them. It's as if they're never satisfied. There's this carrot dangling somewhere on the end of a stick in front of them, and they won't allow themselves to be truly happy until they've grabbed it. Sounds like a dumb way to live one's life to me. Some people need big, enormous, ostentatious and above all IMPORTANT goals in life. Enlightenment. World peace. I like people who have more humble goals, like just trying to be as happy as they can in their daily lives, and trying to do as much as they can to help the people they personally interact with every day to be a little happier themselves. Those goals sound just fine to me; I don't see why anyone would need loftier ones. But then I have listened to a lot of songs by Bruce Cockburn, a guy who gets humility, too. His lyrics and his way of looking at things may have warped me. When he sings verses like the following, I get the feeling he's actually onto something: To be one more voice in the human choir Rising like smoke from the mystical fire Of the heart Not the voice. Not even the lead singer. Just one more voice. Now that's humble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfssmB4ok0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfssmB4ok0
[FairfieldLife] The Miracle Of The Levitating Slinky
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/09/11/160933582/the-miracle-of-the-levitating-slinky
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
Is this about enlightenment? For me it's simply beautiful. As is roller skating. But in a different way From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad I'm pretty sure Kabir ripped this off in one of his poems. When I checked what was in my inner shrine recently I didn't get the stars and universe but I did find my missing Rollerblade skate key so now I can rotate my ground down wheels, yeah! I may not ever get the big prize of enlightenment but I can celebrate the little things with the best of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Very interesting indeed. Any nitwit with funny hats can run around proclaiming humility without it meaning anything in daily life. They do, they are tens of millions and they're called Buddhists. That the humility- word is easy to say would be ABC for someone who continously proclaims he studied with MMY for many years and even was around MMY for many years both of which are self grandiose and selfimportance nonsense in the extreme. That's some humility !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Is this about enlightenment? M The Upanishads? I think so. S: For me it's simply beautiful. As is roller skating. But in a different way Sounds like a great way to enjoy world scripture literature. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad  I'm pretty sure Kabir ripped this off in one of his poems. When I checked what was in my inner shrine recently I didn't get the stars and universe but I did find my missing Rollerblade skate key so now I can rotate my ground down wheels, yeah! I may not ever get the big prize of enlightenment but I can celebrate the little things with the best of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad
You mean while roller skating? Yay! Must try. But not on Capital Beltway From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Is this about enlightenment? M The Upanishads? I think so. S: For me it's simply beautiful. As is roller skating. But in a different way Sounds like a great way to enjoy world scripture literature. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chandogya Upanishad  I'm pretty sure Kabir ripped this off in one of his poems. When I checked what was in my inner shrine recently I didn't get the stars and universe but I did find my missing Rollerblade skate key so now I can rotate my ground down wheels, yeah! I may not ever get the big prize of enlightenment but I can celebrate the little things with the best of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I love this from Chandogya Upanishad, 8.1: In the center of the castle of Brahman, our own body, there is a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower, and within can be found a small space. We should find who dwells there, and we should want to know him. And if anyone asks, Who is he who dwells in a small shrine in the form of a lotus flower in the center of the castle of Brahman? Whom should we want to find and to know, we can answer: The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe. The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars; fire and lightening and winds are there; and all that now is and all that is not. For the whole universe is in Him and He dwells within our heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Teaching Process: synthetic vs. synthesis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It was *such* a high for me that at one point I dumped TM and the TM organization and Maharishi entirely, and followed my bliss in the direction of more insights that I could come up with myself and express the way I wanted to, rather than searching for prepared answers from some teacher or tradition. I'm still doing it, and don't regret a minute of it. Your mileage may vary. And yet, more than 40 years since he left, he is going on and on and on about Maharishi and the TMO ! How is it even possible, what kind of nervous-system is so attached to something that happened, or in this case proably NOT happen, decades ago without having the ability to move on ? Maharishi must have made an everlasting impression on this poor soul.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Patriot Day
Where did I say that 9/11 didn't happen? I'm saying I don't believe the official story of it and neither do millions of others. Karel is a liberal gay talk host who of all things has an afternoon show on GCN, the same network as Alex Jones. He also hosts a weekend show on the San Francisco flagship radio station KGO. Karel would hang up on callers who said that 9/11 was an inside job. However yesterday he watched MSNBC's replay the events of 9/11 real time. He saw the report from the fire chief on the scene who reported he heard explosions in the building prior to the plane hitting them. Of course I knew of that report but at that point Karel woke up. On 09/11/2012 11:50 PM, Jason wrote: Barry2 is usually a sensible guy. But the fact that he dosen't believe that 9/11 happened is very much like Ahmednutjob stating that he dosen't believe that the Holocaust ever happened. --- Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: You freaking idiot! Everybody knows Elvis did it! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:05 PM I was looking at my calendar a few days back and notice a holiday or red date on it for today. It was titled Patriot Day. I didn't know that the 11th of September now has an official day attributed to it. With what the government has done in the name of protecting us it should be called Treasonist Day. As you know I never bought the official story of 9-11. I don't believe it was done by a pack of Arab terrorists armed with box cutters and who couldn't even fly a Cessna right. But I also don't believe the government was totally behind it. Instead I believe that factions of the military industrial complex in conjunction with some members of the military and government and even a certain foreign power had something to do with it. After all, what would Islamic terrorists have to gain from such an attack? They would have reasoned that what such an attack would have brought the US military down on their heads and indeed that happened. Just look at all the money the military industrial complex has made since 9-11. Billions upon billions and probably such an attack with it's collateral damage would be justifiable in their minds for all that money. After all they deal in the business of murder. Besides they had the money to have think tanks design such an attack without knowing what they were doing (like telling them that they needed the scenario to figure out some defensive gear against them). Plus how convenient to have a military exercise on that day to confuse things. There is a lot of conflicting evidence over 9-11. WTC 7 which was not hit by any plane yet brought down apparently by internal explosives. The crash pattern of flight 93 which doesn't make sense either and even first reported brought down by members of the Happy Hooligans, a military flight group. And then with all the video cameras around the Pentagon and footage from private company cameras in that area confiscated why do we have only one brief video of the supposed airliner flying into the building. Even that looks more like a missile than some jet. I have a cousin that was working in the hit section of the Pentagon but he was told to work at home that day due to remodeling of that section. Dr. Gary Null had a great show this morning on 9-11 on his Progressive Radio Network. You can download the podcast here: http://www.prn.fm/ And of course Alex Jones (who sounds more like a meditator noticing how large segments of the public seem ignorant anymore, hey, maybe he's enlightened) has a show you can download at http://www.infowars.com/ . Alex is focusing on a lot of evidence that is not speculation but factually reported. So anyway have a happy Patriot Day and go get yourself groped by the TSA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@... I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] New Video: Gem Mineral Show
Sac Fox Lapidary Club organizes a Gem Mineral Show at the Fairfield Arts Convention Center annually. This year they invited the Brown Otter Dancers, Meskwaki Nation, Tama Iowa. http://youtu.be/cQTCYdeXKDM
[FairfieldLife] National Debt Counter
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
[FairfieldLife] Called Me Back
Continuing in the noble tradition of posting clips of music that mean something to one person but probably nothing to anyone else, here's a song for those who have a history of throwing snit-fits because someone doesn't reply to something they felt should or *must* be replied to. This is the only clip I could find on YouTube, and is preceded by an instrumental with violinist Jenny Scheiman, but if you want to cut to the chase, the song starts at about 5:40. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyZD8PWNAnA My so-called buddy never called me back called me back, called me back my so-called buddy never called me back I don't know what to think about that I coulda been croaking on the floor of my flat floor of my flat, floor of my flat I coulda been croaking on the floor of my flat the bugger never called me back Then again he could have troubles himself troubles himself, troubles himself then again he could have troubles himself I better try him once more He could be going through a bitter divorce bitter divorce, bitter divorce he could be going through a bitter divorce or a quadruple bypass Maybe his mother ran afoul of the law afoul of the law, afoul of the law maybe his mother ran afoul of the law you never know with that gang He coulda slid into a society scene society scene, society scene he coulda slid into a society scene and left his old friends behind My so-called buddy never called me back called me back, called me back my so-called buddy never called me back I don't know what to think about that the bugger never called me back I better try him once more - Bruce Cockburn, January 2009 :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks Ann. Good advice and I like the metaphor. Actually I think these aspirations are merely common sense. What else can one do given that we are bound to make mistakes? And FFL seems a concentrated reality to me, albeit 2D. In some ways, easier for burning off the karma. Share PS Did I have a role?! Yes, the very attentive and nurturing nurse. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yes, sometimes foolish, sometimes wise we are.àBecause this is a learning place.àWe are all going to make mistakes.àGood to develop wise compassion.àEven about ourselves.àAnd to apologize if appropriate.àMake amends.àIntend to do better next time.àAct wisely to mature the undeveloped aspects of ourselves.àTM, Sedona Method, mindfulness, lovingkindness, humor, ect.àWhatever helps us become a better person, more loving, more truthful. This is the best anyone can do.àAnd it is good enough to do.àI am open to other thoughts and suggestions.àI think, with all due respect Share, that if you want to develop and practice these noble aspirations that you list above then do this in the 'real world'. FFL is simply not that. Many of us are not quite as we seem here at FFL as we are offline. I know this for a fact. It is like trying to practice real medicine on some hospital theme soap opera. FFL is a place to stretch some boundaries, to play a little and sometimes to fight but you aren't going to change anyone here and many times sincerity and vulnerability get sacrificed, brutally. Don't take this place or your role in it too seriously. That would be my best advice. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! àOh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be Sedon(a)-izingàher kids- demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. Sharing can't make them leave, and they won't let Share be if she don't let them come out to play? The fat one on the slide is it Rage? He was good, so he's out of the cage. He doesn't play nice, and sometimes, he bites; Yeah, he's hard to assuage. The cute one, you may like is Lust. For her, the see-saw's a must. But don't let her fool you, she's really quite cruel, too. In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust. See little one there is named Pout. (Bet you guessed what he's all about.) He loves to swing on wingyàswings, and sometimes, breaking things, if Share don't give in to her shouts. Look the last one outside is Sorrow. She plays with toys that are borrowed. A real downer, she is. Doesn't like other kids, But she'll always be out again tomorrow Sedonizing Share's demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. We can't make them leave. Does theyàlet her be if she don't let them come out to play? Is the way into youàa narrow road? Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded? Is the way into youàtiny, yeah Can't you get there in a single stride? Can't youàget there without a guide? Is the way into you Is it a narrow road? With goodbyes and hellos? That flank each winding bend so these peopleàwant to be your friend You not seek, and so you'll found; Willàtraveled rooted to the ground. Words that in jest you uttered here May wisdom in the heavenly sphere. (All men's questions and replies Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise) If you wish to learn of me Forget all this immediately; Forget there's such a thing to do - And then perchance I'll wink at you. Nameless mother of ten thousand things From the unlocked cage of your heart White doves of love will go winging, Wild larks of song golden rise singing, The ice of your heart is then broken, broken, Joy's fountain leaps in the air; And all the while no word was spoken: You'll only looked at something fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Dear Ann, poor Share was at writing group for 2 hours this afternoon, then Sedona Method for an hour, then Dome, then dinner, then library, now here.àAt one point I had over 80 unread emails.àThe other forum is also being quite active today. Before the Dome I saw that Robin had posted what he sent me offline last night.ÃÂ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.? Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.? Claim your behaviors, now O.K.? Practice loving-kindness, now O.K? Be honest, O.K.? Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger. She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.? Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.? Claim your behaviors, now O.K.? Practice loving-kindness, now O.K? Be honest, O.K.? Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger. She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Tell me Ravi (seriously, actually), what is a troll? Someone who trolls for reactions? When I was a kid, a troll looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/7978398944/ From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.? Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.? Claim your behaviors, now O.K.? Practice loving-kindness, now O.K? Be honest, O.K.? Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger. She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] For Jim - Story about the Tinariwen
If anyone knows how to get a hold of Jim, I read this story last night and was reminded that I believe it was he that posted a link here to their music a long time back now. Anyway, it's a lovely story and I thought he might enjoy it. Could someone who knows him forward this? http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/439/blues_for_allah?page=1 Here is a sampling of the Tinariwen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iorfsFAJJsIfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] National Debt Counter
On 09/12/2012 09:34 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ That can be slowed quite a bit by bringing troops home and reducing defense spending.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Dear Em, LOL..on that picture. Anyway I guess you haven't been keeping up with the dramatic changes that are happening here, the definition of a troll has changed my dear Em. Anyone who gets in the face of the Moses of FFL is a troll, so stop trolling, stop being a chatty Cathy, you ain't no Barbie doll dear - wake up. Love, Ravi Thank you, Ravi On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell me Ravi (seriously, actually), what is a troll? Someone who trolls for reactions? When I was a kid, a troll looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/7978398944/ From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.? Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.? Claim your behaviors, now O.K.? Practice loving-kindness, now O.K? Be honest, O.K.? Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger. She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] Robin's picture
Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BWlvnBmIE Katy Perry From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Dear Em, LOL..on that picture. Anyway I guess you haven't been keeping up with the dramatic changes that are happening here, the definition of a troll has changed my dear Em. Anyone who gets in the face of the Moses of FFL is a troll, so stop trolling, stop being a chatty Cathy, you ain't no Barbie doll dear - wake up. Love, Ravi Thank you, Ravi On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell me Ravi (seriously, actually), what is a troll? Someone who trolls for reactions? When I was a kid, a troll looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/7978398944/ From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.? Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.? Claim your behaviors, now O.K.? Practice loving-kindness, now O.K? Be honest, O.K.? Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger. She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: National Debt Counter
Excellent point! Why is it that politicians are taking their sweet old time in determining how to reduce the debt? They're obviously clueless about to run the US economy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: National Debt Counter
National Debt Counter Bhairitu: That can be slowed quite a bit by bringing troops home and reducing defense spending. The U.S. budget for defense this year is $663.84 billion. You're good at math, so how much would the national debt be reduced if the U.S. spent nothing on overseas contingency operations? http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-02-28/news/30022113_1_expenses\ -entitlement-charts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Jim - Story about the Tinariwen
Jim Flanegin? I should have his email address - let me know and I can send it to you privately. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** If anyone knows how to get a hold of Jim, I read this story last night and was reminded that I believe it was he that posted a link here to their music a long time back now. Anyway, it's a lovely story and I thought he might enjoy it. Could someone who knows him forward this? http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/439/blues_for_allah?page=1 Here is a sampling of the Tinariwen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iorfsFAJJsIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Founder's Day
TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world. #151;
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Tell me Ravi (seriously, actually), what is a troll?  Someone who trolls for reactions?  When I was a kid, a troll looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/7978398944/ Hi Em, I grew up in Michigan in a family who liked to fish. Trolling is a fishing technique. As a youngster, I learned to bait a hook and troll from the back of a boat and from a dock. Barry's button pushing is classic troll behavior. He's fishing for a nibble. Too bad he's overfished the waters of FFLife. All that remains are inexperienced minnows and fish that laugh at him as the wriggle off his hook. Wikipedia: Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from a jetty. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count  Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:  Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.?  Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.?  Claim your behaviors, now O.K.?  Practice loving-kindness, now O.K?  Be honest, O.K.?  Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger.  She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count  Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
Thank you Raunchy. I get it. Barry's troll's seem so redundant. I was trying to figure out if I was, in fact, really, a troll. I am happy to say that I am...not all the time, but sometimes. I test the waters, here and there. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Tell me Ravi (seriously, actually), what is a troll?  Someone who trolls for reactions?  When I was a kid, a troll looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71633812@N08/7978398944/ Hi Em, I grew up in Michigan in a family who liked to fish. Trolling is a fishing technique. As a youngster, I learned to bait a hook and troll from the back of a boat and from a dock. Barry's button pushing is classic troll behavior. He's fishing for a nibble. Too bad he's overfished the waters of FFLife. All that remains are inexperienced minnows and fish that laugh at him as the wriggle off his hook. Wikipedia: Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from a jetty. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count  Don't you start now !!! (wink, wink :-)) On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:  Respect each other's boundaries, now, O.K.?  Practice trying on each other's realities now, O.K.?  Claim your behaviors, now O.K.?  Practice loving-kindness, now O.K?  Be honest, O.K.?  Don't shoot the messenger, now O.K.? (Never mind, you can shoot the messenger.  She'll just have a good cry and proceed ahead with life). This movie title and theme music came to mind.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYKCg2aG2FE From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count  Looks like the omni-subjective Reality ontology has a bit of a sense of humor. Hey Robin, perhaps we should take this offline anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Sep 08 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 15 00:00:00 2012 403 messages as of (UTC) Wed Sep 12 00:11:51 2012 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 4 maskedzebra maskedzebra@ I generally do what I can to warn people when they have a split post count and they're near their limit, but it doesn't always help. Last night, Robin was at 48, and he just made 4 more posts. So, he's outta here until the 21st.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
Well, I never would have guessed that the song is about wanking. Next I expect to hear that the pinball wizard was a real person and that he was a wanker, too. (He did, after all, have such a supple wrist.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
[FairfieldLife] Movie review: Peace, Love and Misunderstanding
I have been waiting for this film for months. I saw early reviews of it when it first came out, but have had to wait until it was released to DVD/Bluray and thus become available on the Piratenet to see it. I had an immediate hit on it when I first read about it, and that intuition seems to have been -- at least for me and my family, who all watched it together tonight -- to have been well-founded. It's that rarest of the rare these days, a family drama/comedy that is willing to leave the drama at the front door and focus on the comedy and the family. The basic plot concerns an uptight New York City lawyer (Catherine Keener) who is informed by her even more uptight New York City husband (Kyle MacLachlan) that he wants a divorce. She packs up the BMW 4WD with some belongings and her two kids (played by Nat Wolff and Elizabeth Olsen) and goes off to Woodstock, NY to hide out for a while with the mother she hasn't spoken to in 20 years. Uptight lawyer lady dumped her all those years ago because she was such a hippie, and still is. She arrives on Mom's doorstep and immediately demands that she keep her pot-smoking, free love ways in her pants during the visit, so as not to adversely affect the youngun's. This is not to be. Why I got such a hit on this film, besides the fact that it is directed by the estimable Bruce Beresford, is his choice of who to play Hippie Mom. None other than Jane Fonda, in her first starring role in a film in decades. She has never been more brilliant -- as an actress, as a woman, and as a larger-than-life persona. Yes, it's a light romantic comedy, but Jane just ROCKS. Not to mention the fact that she looks better at 74 than most women look at 44. Part of the magic of this may be that Jane Fonda, as she has admitted in the press run-ups to the release of this film, never *was* a hippie. Although that may have been her image, especially among uptight Republicans, she was always far too intellectual and far too uptight to ever live like her character in this film. So this movie gives her an opportunity to send up the popular but untrue image of herself. Another part is that in this film Jane Fonda is *generous* in the way that 74-year-old actresses can afford to be. She allows Catherine Keener, whose film this really is, to take it and run with it. She equally allows Elizabeth Olsen (sister to the Olsen twins, but a much better actress) to do the same. The smaller supporting characters are all wonderful, as is the character played by Woodstock itself. A delight. If you need a break from the trials of the world, this film might provide you with one. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3109659417/ http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3109659417/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
Dear Judy: Yes, you are correct. I decided not to take sides. In writing what I did that night, it was well-received in the moment. It was spontaneous and intended as irony and it absolutely posed a challenge to Curtis. It was written *to* Curtis and *for* Robin. Emotions and energy were running high here on FFL that day. I stand by what I said Dear Curtis: You will note I deleted in my key points the part about the soul. I did that for you buddy. But, really, in the essence of it all, my perception was that Robin's post *did* reflect your position online. HOWEVER, I respect your point, absolutely, that no one except *you* can delineate your REAL point of view. So, I give you deference in that respect, which is why I backed off of my ironic post to you. I planned my exit strategy, from the start, in the spontaneity of post itself. Whaddya think, I am an idiot? Believe me, the experiences that I have had (Robin, are you listening?) have shown me, that one can push someone into the corner, but one better be ready...because I've done that, and I know what can happen, in the real world. Not here, obviously. Dear Ann: I'm doing my daily write on one post. FFL may not be real life, but it weirdly addresses the real, the surreal, and the not so real simultaneously. People's personalities do get exposed here through what they write and post. I agree with Robin on that one...even though I made a point that words are words and I can could change up mine to give you a different impression of me. My words are all you have to go by. But, energy is also transmitted back and forth here, or perhaps, just *evoked* personally from what different people write. I don't know, but it fuels an ongoing tension and dissonance in how we perceive one another and reality. Share is bothering you. She bothered me as well - all this advice on love and light shit. Been there, done that. Still doing that, honestly. However, I have learned that one cannot push another past where they are and some of that love and light shit is good shit. Let it flow across the forumnurturing nurse that she may be perceived as. Dear Robin: What's wrong with me? Don't answer that, you are banned for a week. Answer it later. I am open to your assessment. Mostly, I know I'm fucked up already, so therefore, any assistance in getting me to understand Reality would be appreciated. I am feeling neglected. I am needy. Barry would agree with me, I'm sure. Now, I have to go and attend to my real life issues, but I look forward to your return. Love always, Emily. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: The technique of trying to write from someone else's POV can be useful to promote understanding. That is not how it was being used here. So the front that I need to show Robin where he misrepresented my POV is all a ruse. One would think Curtis wouldn't *start* with misrepresentation when his goal is to show how he's been misrepresented. Had Curtis not claimed that Robin had misrepresented his POV, it wouldn't have been an issue; there would have been no demand for Curtis to identify the purported misrepresentations. Curtis brought this on himself. Curtis's attempted analysis is much more about writing style and specific choices of words than it is about POV. Curtis has identified and denied a few actual POV elements. I don't know whether Robin wants to go to the trouble, and I certainly don't, but I believe most of those elements could indeed be found in what Curtis has written about Robin. Perhaps Curtis has just forgotten; or perhaps he hopes others have, knowing that not that many people actually followed his discussions with Robin after they became rancorous. This is a mockery piece disguised as Robin's scary brilliance to imitate another poster's POV. Then it became a vehicle for the troll jackals to to their thing. Again, the only reason it became a vehicle for criticism of Curtis was his claim to have been misrepresented and his denial that he had any ethical obligation to identify the purported misrepresentations. He had every right to demand that Robin make it crystal clear that any future attempt at representing Curtis's POV was a Robin's-eye view and not something actually written by Curtis. Mocking me is fine, just don't sign my name. Pretty simple? Yes, it would have been very simple had Curtis not decided to claim misrepresentation. It should have been enough that I said it misrepresented me, because I AM me. I might know. Curtis might well know. Or he could just as easily have made it up. Hence the call for him to identify the misrepresentations that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Well, I never would have guessed that the song is about wanking. Next I expect to hear that the pinball wizard was a real person and that he was a wanker, too. (He did, after all, have such a supple wrist.) After Curtis' decent and reasonable post about Robin's picture Barry just has to sully it with his inane reference to what the Lily song is all about. Can't we just have some calm around here? How about if for a change when someone posts something conciliatory we all encourage it and perhaps we can attain a little peace and quiet and harmony? Even if it will be impermanent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
When does Barry go to bed? Shortly, I'm guessing. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Well, I never would have guessed that the song is about wanking. Next I expect to hear that the pinball wizard was a real person and that he was a wanker, too. (He did, after all, have such a supple wrist.) After Curtis' decent and reasonable post about Robin's picture Barry just has to sully it with his inane reference to what the Lily song is all about. Can't we just have some calm around here? How about if for a change when someone posts something conciliatory we all encourage it and perhaps we can attain a little peace and quiet and harmony? Even if it will be impermanent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Judy: Â Yes, you are correct. I decided not to take sides. Â In writing what I did that night, it was well-received in the moment. Â It was spontaneous and intended as irony and it absolutely posed a challenge to Curtis. Â It was written *to* Curtis and *for* Robin. Â Emotions and energy were running high here on FFL that day. Â I stand by what I said Dear Curtis: Â You will note I deleted in my key points the part about the soul. Â I did that for you buddy. Â But, really, in the essence of it all, my perception was that Robin's post *did* reflect your position online. Â HOWEVER, I respect your point, absolutely, that no one except *you* can delineate your REAL point of view. Â So, I give you deference in that respect, which is why I backed off of my ironic post to you. Â I planned my exit strategy, from the start, in the spontaneity of post itself. Â Whaddya think, I am an idiot? Â Believe me, Â the experiences that I have had (Robin, are you listening?) have shown me, that one can push someone into the corner, but one better be ready...because I've done that, and I know what can happen, in the real world. Â Not here, obviously. Â Dear Ann: Â I'm doing my daily write on one post. Â FFL may not be real life, but it weirdly addresses the real, the surreal, and the not so real simultaneously. Â People's personalities do get exposed here through what they write and post. Â I agree with Robin on that one...even though I made a point that words are words and I can could change up mine to give you a different impression of me. My words are all you have to go by. Â But, energy is also transmitted back and forth here, or perhaps, just *evoked* personally from what different people write. Â I don't know, but it fuels an ongoing tension and dissonance in how we perceive one another and reality. Â Share is bothering you. Â She bothered me as well - all this advice on love and light shit. Â Been there, done that. Â Still doing that, honestly. Â However, I have learned that one cannot push another past where they are and some of that love and light shit is good shit. Â Let it flow across the forumnurturing nurse that she may be perceived as. Â Thanks for your thoughts Emily. You do amaze me sometimes with your candidness. It takes courage to be as straight up as you often appear to be. I hold courage in high regard. I think it is highly remarkable to witness courage in life. I wish I had more of it although there are times when I realized I possessed more than I thought I had. It is not that Share bothers me. Share is doing what Share wants to do and presumably must do. It is her life and I do not begin to judge her on any of that. I can tell you I'd rather spend a week with Share alone than with lots of other people I know on this planet. So although I do not sense that what interests Share in her everyday pursuit of things like quantum light weaving and jyotish readings or all of the things I have never even heard of that is my shortcoming, not hers. I am sure she would be horrified having to do what I do in a day, a week. I am not on any rocket ship to enlightenment, if it even does exist. However, when anyone holds an intention to live one's life without harming or traumatizing others, and that includes animals, then I am all for it. Dear Robin: Â What's wrong with me? Â Don't answer that, you are banned for a week. Â Answer it later. Â I am open to your assessment. Â Mostly, I know I'm fucked up already, so therefore, any assistance in getting me to understand Reality would be appreciated. Â I am feeling neglected. Â I am needy. Â Barry would agree with me, I'm sure. Â Now, I have to go and attend to my real life issues, but I look forward to your return. Â Love always, Emily. Â Â Â From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The technique of trying to write from someone else's POV can be useful to promote understanding. That is not how it was being used here. So the front that I need to show Robin where he misrepresented my POV is all a ruse. One would think Curtis wouldn't *start* with misrepresentation when his goal is to show how he's been misrepresented. Had Curtis not claimed that Robin had misrepresented his POV, it wouldn't have been an issue; there would have been no demand for Curtis to identify the purported misrepresentations. Curtis brought this on himself. Curtis's attempted analysis is much more about writing style and specific choices of words than it is about POV. Curtis has identified and denied a few
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: When does Barry go to bed?  Shortly, I'm guessing.  Do you think he'll be thinking of Lily? From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Well, I never would have guessed that the song is about wanking. Next I expect to hear that the pinball wizard was a real person and that he was a wanker, too. (He did, after all, have such a supple wrist.) After Curtis' decent and reasonable post about Robin's picture Barry just has to sully it with his inane reference to what the Lily song is all about. Can't we just have some calm around here? How about if for a change when someone posts something conciliatory we all encourage it and perhaps we can attain a little peace and quiet and harmony? Even if it will be impermanent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
snip However, when anyone holds an intention to live one's life without harming or traumatizing others, and that includes animals, then I am all for it. Ann: I came to the same conclusion. The best to you and the work that you do. Emily. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Judy: Â Yes, you are correct. I decided not to take sides. Â In writing what I did that night, it was well-received in the moment. Â It was spontaneous and intended as irony and it absolutely posed a challenge to Curtis. Â It was written *to* Curtis and *for* Robin. Â Emotions and energy were running high here on FFL that day. Â I stand by what I said Dear Curtis: Â You will note I deleted in my key points the part about the soul. Â I did that for you buddy. Â But, really, in the essence of it all, my perception was that Robin's post *did* reflect your position online. Â HOWEVER, I respect your point, absolutely, that no one except *you* can delineate your REAL point of view. Â So, I give you deference in that respect, which is why I backed off of my ironic post to you. Â I planned my exit strategy, from the start, in the spontaneity of post itself. Â Whaddya think, I am an idiot? Â Believe me, Â the experiences that I have had (Robin, are you listening?) have shown me, that one can push someone into the corner, but one better be ready...because I've done that, and I know what can happen, in the real world. Â Not here, obviously. Â Dear Ann: Â I'm doing my daily write on one post. Â FFL may not be real life, but it weirdly addresses the real, the surreal, and the not so real simultaneously. Â People's personalities do get exposed here through what they write and post. Â I agree with Robin on that one...even though I made a point that words are words and I can could change up mine to give you a different impression of me. My words are all you have to go by. Â But, energy is also transmitted back and forth here, or perhaps, just *evoked* personally from what different people write. Â I don't know, but it fuels an ongoing tension and dissonance in how we perceive one another and reality. Â Share is bothering you. Â She bothered me as well - all this advice on love and light shit. Â Been there, done that. Â Still doing that, honestly. Â However, I have learned that one cannot push another past where they are and some of that love and light shit is good shit. Â Let it flow across the forumnurturing nurse that she may be perceived as. Â Thanks for your thoughts Emily. You do amaze me sometimes with your candidness. It takes courage to be as straight up as you often appear to be. I hold courage in high regard. I think it is highly remarkable to witness courage in life. I wish I had more of it although there are times when I realized I possessed more than I thought I had. It is not that Share bothers me. Share is doing what Share wants to do and presumably must do. It is her life and I do not begin to judge her on any of that. I can tell you I'd rather spend a week with Share alone than with lots of other people I know on this planet. So although I do not sense that what interests Share in her everyday pursuit of things like quantum light weaving and jyotish readings or all of the things I have never even heard of that is my shortcoming, not hers. I am sure she would be horrified having to do what I do in a day, a week. I am not on any rocket ship to enlightenment, if it even does exist. However, when anyone holds an intention to live one's life without harming or traumatizing others, and that includes animals, then I am all for it. Dear Robin: Â What's wrong with me? Â Don't answer that, you are banned for a week. Â Answer it later. Â I am open to your assessment. Â Mostly, I know I'm fucked up already, so therefore, any assistance in getting me to understand Reality would be appreciated. Â I am feeling neglected. Â I am needy. Â Barry would agree with me, I'm sure. Â Now, I have to go and attend to my real life issues, but I look forward to your return. Â Love always, Emily. Â Â Â From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The technique of trying to write from someone else's POV can be useful to promote understanding. That is not how it was being used here. So the front that I need to show Robin where he misrepresented my POV is all a ruse. One
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
Oh ohone of my favorite high school songs...I was a suburban rocker Who are you? I really want to know. Who are You by the Who. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5kmCgVhADYfeature=related From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: When does Barry go to bed?  Shortly, I'm guessing.  Do you think he'll be thinking of Lily? From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Well, I never would have guessed that the song is about wanking. Next I expect to hear that the pinball wizard was a real person and that he was a wanker, too. (He did, after all, have such a supple wrist.) After Curtis' decent and reasonable post about Robin's picture Barry just has to sully it with his inane reference to what the Lily song is all about. Can't we just have some calm around here? How about if for a change when someone posts something conciliatory we all encourage it and perhaps we can attain a little peace and quiet and harmony? Even if it will be impermanent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So who the hell was Lily? All I know from the song is that she died in 1929. From Wikipedia: Pictures of Lily Pictures of Lily is a single by the British rock band The Who, written by guitarist and primary songwriter Pete Townshend. It was released in 1967 as a single, and made the top five in the UK, but failed to break into the top 50 in the United States. In the beginning of the song, the singer laments his insomnia. When his father gives him the pictures of the song's eponymous Lily, he feels better, and is able to sleep. Soon, he feels desire for Lily as a person instead of a photo, and asks his father for an introduction. His father informs him however that Lily has, in fact, been dead since 1929. Initially, the singer laments, but before long turns back to his fantasy. According to Pete Townshend in the 2006 book Lyrics by Rikky Rooksby, the idea was inspired by a picture my girlfriend had on her wall of an old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss [sic]. It was an old 1920s postcard and someone had written on it 'Here's another picture of Lily - hope you haven't got this one.' It made me think that everyone has a pin-up period. Lillie Langtry, the music hall star, died in 1929, the year in the song. Townshend's statement is unlikely to refer to Lilian Baylis, the theatre manager, who died in 1937. Mark Wilkerson quotes Townshend as writing that the song is Merely a ditty about masturbation and the importance of it to a young man. However, the song does not mention masturbation explicitly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Pictures of Robin made my life so wonderful Pictures of Robin helped me sleep at night Pictures of Robin solved my childhood problems Pictures of Robin helped me feel alright Pictures of Robin Robin, oh Robin Robin, oh Robin Pictures of Robin This is hilarious, feste. I am old enough and enough of a rock trivia guy to know not only who sang the original Pictures Of Lily, but who they were singing about, and why. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated
[FairfieldLife] Further thoughts on Unity by the Master , through Benjamin Creme, 12 August
Further thoughts on Unity by the Master , through Benjamin Creme, 12 August 2012 With the exception of a few, most of the nations of the world are seeking Unity. Their actions may not always support this statement, but inwardly, at least, the general direction of their intention is to achieve, together with their friends and allies, the expression of Unity. However, there are some nations for whom the achievement of their individual goals is more important than general world Unity, the guarantee of world peace. These attitudes can, and sometimes do, change suddenly, or over time, but in the present period one can discuss the following countries. Israel (rays: soul 3, personality 6), having usurped by terrorism the land of the Palestinian people, is now obsessed with its security to the exclusion of all other issues, including world peace. Sheltered from United Nations resolutions by the US Security Council veto, Israel swaggers in the Middle East without restraint. Thanks to the United States, Israel possesses the nuclear bomb and threatens its use against Iran if necessary. The people of Israel are old but the nation is very young, bold and inclined to recklessness. The USA (rays: soul 2, personality 6) has, from the soul level, a profound and genuine desire for world Unity and peace. However, it too is young, large and powerful, and under the control of its glamoured personality. Its ideal is for Unity and peace, and it imagines that it demonstrates this to the world. When all follow the Americans' lead in economics, politics and religion, it believes, peace will inevitably ensue. With this attitude it has sought to dominate the world, repeatedly making war in the name of peace (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). The world is waiting for the overcoming of this glamour and the influence of the 2nd-ray soul of the US to emerge in world affairs. When this does take place (probably not before the Day of Declaration by the Christ), the innate longing for Unity of the American soul will be galvanised into action, and the idea of service to the whole will replace the present need to dominate. A great reconstruction of the world will be undertaken by countless individuals. The desire to serve will replace the present US sense of superiority in all things, and a true era of peace will follow. Iran has an ancient and gifted people, at present torn between desire for a sane, secular government and an extreme, fanatical form of Islamic rule. Iran is deeply disliked and mistrusted by the USA, since its scientists are in the process of mastering nuclear technology. It has never been the intention of Iran to develop a nuclear arsenal but it feels threatened daily by the USA and Israel and now, reluctantly, sees no alternative. The rays of Iran are soul 2, personality 4. Its people are mature, cultured and peaceful and have given much of its gifts, in particular to India. North Korea (rays: soul 6, personality 4), is the youngest of all these nations, formed out of a division of the original Korea. Its intentions are also the most difficult to foresee, since it is so engrossed in proving to the world its prowess. Unfortunately it has achieved some nuclear capability and can be seen as something of a loose cannon among the nations. As is well known, it is dominated, rather than led, by its rulers and must be carefully watched by the United Nations as a whole. Its people are hungry, for recognition and for food. The nations should be generous in sharing both with North Korea. From the point of view of the average on-looker there seems much to cause fear and worry in this appraisal. However, the Masters see a world ready for change, longing for the justice which will guarantee a new and real Unity among the nations, and the peace which all desire. (Read more articles by the Master) http://share-international.org/master/master.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin's picture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Robin sent me a picture, which I appreciate since we have been discussing so much for so long. If my reaction had been negative I wouldn't be posting. Like if I saw something that gave me pause. Without meaning to gay up the place too much: Handsome guy. Could be any Beltway professional in any field. Still has that good mediator skin. (Did we all get that? Is it a TM thing? Maybe vegetarian for all those years?) Eyes used to looking through a camera lens, so he expresses intelligence and perhaps a bit of mirth. Unselfconscious smile partially formed, shows being relaxed in being captured like this. Totally positive photographic impression to me. And I know that you can't see the mind, but we all make these judgements don't we? Anyway I felt obligated to report the positive impression since anyone interested in our posts knew I asked. If the ladies want to give him a holla you will forget that swarthy Ravi guy once you see him. (pssst, did that degay this post by mentioning the ladies? Not so much? Damn!) Good for Robin, handsome guy. I assumed he was probably pretty good looking, as well as smart and charismatic. It all helps when you are leading a group.
[FairfieldLife] Scientific research on enlightenment via TM
http://www.reddit.com/r/transcendental/comments/zsfu5/scientific_research_on_enlightenment_via_tm/ A reddit discussion. Feel free to upvote/downvote and to contribute. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: #149; Dr. Keith Wallace #150; How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin #150; Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness. Dr. Bevan Morris #150; Will connect from China with Professor Yunxiang Zhu with a report on their visit to the Far East, and stories of Maharishi's visit to China in 1982.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness. Dr. Bevan Morris Will connect from China with Professor Yunxiang Zhu with a report on their visit to the Far East, and stories of Maharishi's visit to China in 1982. Maharishi videotape, Greetings to the First Students at M.I.U.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness. Dr. Bevan Morris Will connect from China with Professor Yunxiang Zhu with a report on their visit to the Far East, and stories of Maharishi's visit to China in 1982. Maharishi videotape, Greetings to the First Students at M.I.U. That Dome will be hopping tonight!!
[FairfieldLife] Is Jesus = to God
I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. Why do you think people pray to Jesus? The son of God...I have never thought he was God. Never. I refuse. Read from Sentence 3 through the end. Pretty much sums it up don't ya think? Or? What else? Duality/Reality? Do we ever defeat the ego? Whaddya think? Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Scientific research on enlightenment via TM
Comment: This isn't an ad-hominem but almost all of these papers are carried out by The Maharishi University of Managementa university owned and operated by the TM movement in Fairfield, IA, a town that is the world's largest training center for TM. That doesn't mean that every paper is biased or wrong. To me it means that, at a minimum, these papers should receive greater scrutiny than independent papers. e.g. Robert Park described their paper on the calming effect of 4000 meditators on DC in 1993 as a clinic in data distortion. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Scientific research on enlightenment via TM http://www.reddit.com/r/transcendental/comments/zsfu5/scientific_research_on_enlightenment_via_tm/ A reddit discussion. Feel free to upvote/downvote and to contribute. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I look forward to seeing those short stubby legs with Gimle boots dance. Sorry, lost on me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The technique of trying to write from someone else's POV can be useful to promote understanding. That is not how it was being used here. So the front that I need to show Robin where he misrepresented my POV is all a ruse. One would think Curtis wouldn't *start* with misrepresentation when his goal is to show how he's been misrepresented. I am using the slang of front and in bieatch be front'n. This too. I was starting with the disingenuous nature of the whole exercise which you play a significant role in. If you mean you were presenting it disingenuously, I agree. That was my point. I've never known you to conduct yourself with integrity in a hostile discussion, so no surprise. Had Curtis not claimed that Robin had misrepresented his POV, it wouldn't have been an issue; there would have been no demand for Curtis to identify the purported misrepresentations. Curtis brought this on himself. I called him on it because I don't like my view misrepresented here. What you are bringing on yourself is an insight into your integrity having called me a liar there there was misrepresentation. I think that last sentence might need a little work, Curtis. The fact that challenging someone on their knowledge of their own POV is a weird thing to do is very odd. Not when the person is known to be dishonest and has a strong motivation to posture falsely in a dispute. Curtis's attempted analysis is much more about writing style and specific choices of words than it is about POV. No, it is both and this attempt to split hairs isn't gunna save your ass. I gave plenty of examples of both for any person with integrity. Well, fortunately my ass isn't the one in jeopardy here. I stand by what I said. Curtis has identified and denied a few actual POV elements. I don't know whether Robin wants to go to the trouble, and I certainly don't, but I believe most of those elements could indeed be found in what Curtis has written about Robin. Perhaps Curtis has just forgotten; or perhaps he hopes others have, knowing that not that many people actually followed his discussions with Robin after they became rancorous. I hear troll music in the background, what IS that instrument. Oh it is a single string violin made our of an infants forearm bones. Makes a creepy sound, you actually dance to that? Notice how creative Curtis gets when he doesn't have a substantive response? This is a mockery piece disguised as Robin's scary brilliance to imitate another poster's POV. Then it became a vehicle for the troll jackals to to their thing. Again, the only reason it became a vehicle for criticism of Curtis was his claim to have been misrepresented and his denial that he had any ethical obligation to identify the purported misrepresentations. I didn't have ethical obligations' for shit in this little ruse. If it was a ruse, Curtis, it was *your ruse*. And of course you had an ethical obligation to support your claim of misrepresentation. But you've always had a rather strange concept of ethics. If you make a claim--especially one that puts someone else in a negative light--you either support it, or you don't complain when it's not accorded credibility. You can't have it both ways--declining to support the claim *and* whining because it hasn't been accepted by the person on whom it reflects badly. Or you can, but then you also get to look like a dick. And it got me exactly where I expected, you in denial mode. Um, no, the denying was all on your part. He had every right to demand that Robin make it crystal clear that any future attempt at representing Curtis's POV was a Robin's-eye view and not something actually written by Curtis. Mocking me is fine, just don't sign my name. Pretty simple? Yes, it would have been very simple had Curtis not decided to claim misrepresentation. Now claim and demonstrate specifically, line by line. Says Curtis, unable to deal with the point. It should have been enough that I said it misrepresented me, because I AM me. I might know. Curtis might well know. Or he could just as easily have made it up. Hence the call for him to identify the misrepresentations that otherwise only he could see (or not see, as the case may be). Is this a claim to be too idiotic to see the misrepresentations? Says Curtis, unable to deal with the point. And again, I wasn't the only person not to see any misrepresentations. But both Judy and Robin have made such a huge fucking deal Said huge fucking deal could never have been made had
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. Why do you think people pray to Jesus? The son of God...I have never thought he was God. Never. I refuse. Read from Sentence 3 through the end. Pretty much sums it up don't ya think? Or? What else? Duality/Reality? Do we ever defeat the ego? Whaddya think? Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? Fundamental Christians believe that Jesus is the ONLY son of God, this(IMO)is mistaken. We all have the power to realize our 'Son-ship' with God, and, in time, will all realize this latent potential as this, is, the Divine Plan. Yes, and the Christian Bible distinguishes between the Sons of Man (regular humans) and the Son of God (Jesus). More liberal Christians would agree with you, that each soul has the capacity to recognize that they really are a Son of God, that our idea of Enlightenment is the equivalent of becoming a Son of God. The ego can never say it is God, better to say God is the 'I' in meperhaps. Like you suggested, the ego stands as the imposter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important.  Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God.  Never.  I refuse.  Read from Sentence 3 through the end.  Pretty much sums it up don't ya think?  Or? What else?  Duality/Reality?  Do we ever defeat the ego?  Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc.Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: to Ann again I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
Ann, oh my gosh! My heart just got a big shot of sweetness. And you displaying the very courage that you admire. Now I do too. Because I've definitely been put in the out group. And yet there you are. Taking up for me. Thank you. Hope I can repay in kind some day some way. And believe me, I'm on no rocket ship to enlightenment. Just bumbling along like everyone else. Just a little curious. What do you do in your daily life that would horrify me? Something to do with horse poop? From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Judy: Â Yes, you are correct. I decided not to take sides. Â In writing what I did that night, it was well-received in the moment. Â It was spontaneous and intended as irony and it absolutely posed a challenge to Curtis. Â It was written *to* Curtis and *for* Robin. Â Emotions and energy were running high here on FFL that day. Â I stand by what I said Dear Curtis: Â You will note I deleted in my key points the part about the soul. Â I did that for you buddy. Â But, really, in the essence of it all, my perception was that Robin's post *did* reflect your position online. Â HOWEVER, I respect your point, absolutely, that no one except *you* can delineate your REAL point of view. Â So, I give you deference in that respect, which is why I backed off of my ironic post to you. Â I planned my exit strategy, from the start, in the spontaneity of post itself. Â Whaddya think, I am an idiot? Â Believe me, Â the experiences that I have had (Robin, are you listening?) have shown me, that one can push someone into the corner, but one better be ready...because I've done that, and I know what can happen, in the real world. Â Not here, obviously. Â Dear Ann: Â I'm doing my daily write on one post. Â FFL may not be real life, but it weirdly addresses the real, the surreal, and the not so real simultaneously. Â People's personalities do get exposed here through what they write and post. Â I agree with Robin on that one...even though I made a point that words are words and I can could change up mine to give you a different impression of me. My words are all you have to go by. Â But, energy is also transmitted back and forth here, or perhaps, just *evoked* personally from what different people write. Â I don't know, but it fuels an ongoing tension and dissonance in how we perceive one another and reality. Â Share is bothering you. Â She bothered me as well - all this advice on love and light shit. Â Been there, done that. Â Still doing that, honestly. Â However, I have learned that one cannot push another past where they are and some of that love and light shit is good shit. Â Let it flow across the forumnurturing nurse that she may be perceived as. Â Thanks for your thoughts Emily. You do amaze me sometimes with your candidness. It takes courage to be as straight up as you often appear to be. I hold courage in high regard. I think it is highly remarkable to witness courage in life. I wish I had more of it although there are times when I realized I possessed more than I thought I had. It is not that Share bothers me. Share is doing what Share wants to do and presumably must do. It is her life and I do not begin to judge her on any of that. I can tell you I'd rather spend a week with Share alone than with lots of other people I know on this planet. So although I do not sense that what interests Share in her everyday pursuit of things like quantum light weaving and jyotish readings or all of the things I have never even heard of that is my shortcoming, not hers. I am sure she would be horrified having to do what I do in a day, a week. I am not on any rocket ship to enlightenment, if it even does exist. However, when anyone holds an intention to live one's life without harming or traumatizing others, and that includes animals, then I am all for it. Dear Robin: Â What's wrong with me? Â Don't answer that, you are banned for a week. Â Answer it later. Â I am open to your assessment. Â Mostly, I know I'm fucked up already, so therefore, any assistance in getting me to understand Reality would be appreciated. Â I am feeling neglected. Â I am needy. Â Barry would agree with me, I'm sure. Â Now, I have to go and attend to my real life issues, but I look forward to your return. Â Love always, Emily. Â Â Â From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. You might like the Hindu anecdote of SAT, TAT, OM, or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father being the unmanifest Being, the OM Mother Divine(Prakriti)and the Son being the pure reflection (formless) of Being (IN CREATION) also what MMY called Brahm (pure light, the light of God). Yes, I do. I had forgotten this, thanks for bringing it up. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus. I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important. Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God. Never. I refuse. Read from Sentence 3 through the end. Pretty much sums it up don't ya think? Or? What else? Duality/Reality? Do we ever defeat the ego? Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc.Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
Hm.when you are not in your believing in spirituality mode, what do you think? From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important.  Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God.  Never.  I refuse.  Read from Sentence 3 through the end.  Pretty much sums it up don't ya think?  Or? What else?  Duality/Reality?  Do we ever defeat the ego?  Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
laughing yes, attentive and nurturing nurse...who practically faints at the sight of blood. Could impede progress up career ladder... From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks Ann. Good advice and I like the metaphor. Actually I think these aspirations are merely common sense. What else can one do given that we are bound to make mistakes? And FFL seems a concentrated reality to me, albeit 2D. In some ways, easier for burning off the karma. Share PS Did I have a role?! Yes, the very attentive and nurturing nurse. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yes, sometimes foolish, sometimes wise we are. Because this is a learning place. We are all going to make mistakes. Good to develop wise compassion. Even about ourselves. And to apologize if appropriate. Make amends. Intend to do better next time. Act wisely to mature the undeveloped aspects of ourselves. TM, Sedona Method, mindfulness, lovingkindness, humor, ect. Whatever helps us become a better person, more loving, more truthful. This is the best anyone can do. And it is good enough to do. I am open to other thoughts and suggestions. I think, with all due respect Share, that if you want to develop and practice these noble aspirations that you list above then do this in the 'real world'. FFL is simply not that. Many of us are not quite as we seem here at FFL as we are offline. I know this for a fact. It is like trying to practice real medicine on some hospital theme soap opera. FFL is a place to stretch some boundaries, to play a little and sometimes to fight but you aren't going to change anyone here and many times sincerity and vulnerability get sacrificed, brutally. Don't take this place or your role in it too seriously. That would be my best advice. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!  Oh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be Sedon(a)-izing her kids- demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. Sharing can't make them leave, and they won't let Share be if she don't let them come out to play? The fat one on the slide is it Rage? He was good, so he's out of the cage. He doesn't play nice, and sometimes, he bites; Yeah, he's hard to assuage. The cute one, you may like is Lust. For her, the see-saw's a must. But don't let her fool you, she's really quite cruel, too. In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust. See little one there is named Pout. (Bet you guessed what he's all about.) He loves to swing on wingy swings, and sometimes, breaking things, if Share don't give in to her shouts. Look the last one outside is Sorrow. She plays with toys that are borrowed. A real downer, she is. Doesn't like other kids, But she'll always be out again tomorrow Sedonizing Share's demons today, Letting them out for their weekly foray. We can't make them leave. Does they let her be if she don't let them come out to play? Is the way into you a narrow road? Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded? Is the way into you tiny, yeah Can't you get there in a single stride? Can't you get there without a guide? Is the way into you Is it a narrow road? With goodbyes and hellos? That flank each winding bend so these people want to be your friend You not seek, and so you'll found; Will traveled rooted to the ground. Words that in jest you uttered here May wisdom in the heavenly sphere. (All men's questions and replies Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise) If you wish to learn of me Forget all this immediately; Forget there's such a thing to do - And then perchance I'll wink at you. Nameless mother of ten thousand things From the unlocked cage of your heart White doves of love will go winging, Wild larks of song golden rise singing, The ice of your heart is then broken, broken, Joy's fountain leaps in the air; And all the while no word was spoken: You'll only looked at something fair. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hm.when you are not in your believing in spirituality mode, what do you think?  Then, I think that our religious and spiritual beliefs are a way of describing experiences that happen in the brain and feel like they are outside of us, feel like they point to something bigger and meaningful and orderly. Our beliefs accurately describe the special experiences of generations and generations of people. And we built up belief systems around those experiences - and tossed in some wishful thinking, too. I think believing in some of these religions can make us feel better, give us hope, comfort us in the face of the possibility that there is nothing after the body and brain die. So Jesus could have been enlightened and in touch with his God (internally) and feel one with God, and have incredibly powerful energy or darshan that he radiated, but this might not mean that there is more to him that lives after he dies, only that he had a nervous system that functioned in a special way that just relatively few humans have had happen. This does not mean that there is no such thing as enlightenment, but that perhaps enlightenment is a style of brain functioning, that's it. I prefer the more spiritual and religious way of looking at life and feel better and happier when I think like that. I like to believe that enlightenment is a window into a bigger Reality. That there is more than the brain generating consciousness. That, instead, consciousness generates everything. I just sometimes have some doubts. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe. àTee Hee. àWhen in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. àI am not sure about this.àFor one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity?àWhat do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth.àAll are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God.àIf you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself.àIf someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? àMost mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus. àI was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. à~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Jim - Story about the Tinariwen
Has anyone noticed that Dr. D. and Jim are never in the same place at the same time. What's up with that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: If anyone knows how to get a hold of Jim, I read this story last night and was reminded that I believe it was he that posted a link here to their music a long time back now. Anyway, it's a lovely story and I thought he might enjoy it. Could someone who knows him forward this? http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/439/blues_for_allah?page=1 Here is a sampling of the Tinariwen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iorfsFAJJsIfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. Hello all, When I was just a teenager fresh out of high school, my first venture into spirituality other than Yogananda was the purchase of a five-volume set of books entitled Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East authored by Baird T. Spalding (ISBN 0-87516-084-0, copyright 1924, 1937, 1964). From the foreward by Mr. Spalding: In presenting The Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East I wish to state that I was one of a research party of eleven persons that visited the Far East in 1894. During our stay - three and a half years - we contacted the Great Masters of the Himalayas, who aided us in the translation of the records...They permitted us to enter into their lives intimately, and we were thus able to see the actual working of the great Law as demonstrated by them...Personally, at that time, I thought the world was not ready for this message...This book...gives the first year's experience of the expedition in relation to the Masters...The Masters accept that Buddha represents the Way to Enlightenment, but they clearly set forth that Christ IS Enlightenment, or a state of consciousness for which we are all seeking - the Christ light of every individual; therefore, the light of every child that is born into the world. In addition of many miracles witnessed by the scientists, the Masters were visited by Christ on many occasions and his teachings were explained in light of the Eastern traditions of spiritual knowledge. It is fascinating reading and makes perfect sense. Well, that's my contribution to this discussion. Thanks for listening. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Me: You actually slipped it in again muther The first time you said it a long time ago I gave it serious thought. The next dozen times I tried to appease you by answering it as best as I could. Now I view it as some kind of terrible mole on your face. I try to avert my eyes but the thing grows larger when I look away and when I furtively glance back, there it is now as big as a basketball! You have become the Repeating Guy in this FFL sitcom. The guy who repeats things. The man who does not know what he has said before. It is Groundhog Day for you every paragraph and you come up with a tasty morsel to share with your readers each time anew. Curtis will not accept your feedback because he is a non feedback acceptor and will not accept feedback or consider it or even think about it because he is the kind of guy who must not let any new information in. Next paragraph...oh I just thought of something...this is a corker! Curtis is so immune to receiving feedback that he will not accept any. He cannot because his identity is as a non feedback receiver. What next...let's see...wow, I just got the most amazing and original idea to share, check this out...Curtis is very bad at letting people's feedback change him because he does not allow any feedback to change him. Wait till they read that! What an original wonder that paragraph was. Now what shall I say next... This made it worth the read.
[FairfieldLife] Attack in Libya
The Obama administration suspects that the fiery attack in Libya that killed the American ambassador and three other diplomats may have been planned rather than a spontaneous mob getting out of control, American officials said Wednesday. http://skydancingblog.com/2012/09/12/was-the-embassy-assault-a-planned-attack/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness. Dr. Bevan Morris Will connect from China with Professor Yunxiang Zhu with a report on their visit to the Far East, and stories of Maharishi's visit to China in 1982. Maharishi videotape, Greetings to the First Students at M.I.U. That Dome will be hopping tonight!! Yup, fun meeting. These are important transition times now. Another ten years and a lot of people who were with Maharishi will be gone. Just look around the room! Yeah, it was real nice reminiscence about heady times by people who were there. We changed the world. Was recorded on video. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founder's Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: TONIGHT! Founder's Day Celebration Wednesday night, September 12, 8:00 p.m. Patanjali Golden Dome Come and enjoy first hand accounts of the unfolding of Maharishi's knowledge in the United States and around the world: Dr. Keith Wallace How Maharishi influenced him in undertaking the first research on the Transcendental Meditation program as a PhD student at UCLA. Raja John Hagelin Accounts of his first meetings with Maharishi when he was a student at Harvard, and their discussions of physics and consciousness. Dr. Bevan Morris Will connect from China with Professor Yunxiang Zhu with a report on their visit to the Far East, and stories of Maharishi's visit to China in 1982. Maharishi videotape, Greetings to the First Students at M.I.U. That Dome will be hopping tonight!! Yup, fun meeting. These are important transition times now. Another ten years and a lot of people who were with Maharishi will be gone. Just look around the room! Yeah, it was real nice reminiscence about heady times by people who were there. We changed the world. Was recorded on video. -Buck Buck, I love your enthusiasm. You seemed to have experienced real joy tonight. Good for you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
Thank you Susan and Laughinggull. I appreciate it. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. Hello all, When I was just a teenager fresh out of high school, my first venture into spirituality other than Yogananda was the purchase of a five-volume set of books entitled Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East authored by Baird T. Spalding (ISBN 0-87516-084-0, copyright 1924, 1937, 1964). From the foreward by Mr. Spalding: In presenting The Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East I wish to state that I was one of a research party of eleven persons that visited the Far East in 1894. During our stay - three and a half years - we contacted the Great Masters of the Himalayas, who aided us in the translation of the records...They permitted us to enter into their lives intimately, and we were thus able to see the actual working of the great Law as demonstrated by them...Personally, at that time, I thought the world was not ready for this message...This book...gives the first year's experience of the expedition in relation to the Masters...The Masters accept that Buddha represents the Way to Enlightenment, but they clearly set forth that Christ IS Enlightenment, or a state of consciousness for which we are all seeking - the Christ light of every individual; therefore, the light of every child that is born into the world. In addition of many miracles witnessed by the scientists, the Masters were visited by Christ on many occasions and his teachings were explained in light of the Eastern traditions of spiritual knowledge. It is fascinating reading and makes perfect sense. Well, that's my contribution to this discussion. Thanks for listening. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by
