[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding My Condition
LB, you have my prayers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L BS wrote: Dear Friends on Fairfield Life: ...snip... ;-) L B S
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The only one example I know of is that of Rajneesh. Benjamin Creme backs Maharishi on this. In his efforts to TRY to denounce Maharishi, making unfounded claims is the habit of the Turq in his lifelong smear-campaign. The fellow is blinded with hate and religious fanatism where anything goes as long as you nourish the idea of Buddhist superiority.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Besides, when it comes to discussing enlightenment experiences, you don't even have experience to draw on, so by definition anything you have to say on the subject was TOLD to you by someone, and thus truly irrelevant. :-) HaHa, the most arrogant joke of the week !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luvgemlight wrote:
Having received regular Maharishi Light Therapy with Gem treatments here in
southern california ( http://www.socalgemlight.com/ ) either twice or four
times each month since my first treatment last march in 2012, I can safely
say that, yes, it is a powerful treatment modality for improving
consciousness and creativity, and the light beamers are laser penlights
-- thus, the light passing through these gems is very coherent (unlike
ambient lighting from any other source). I've had a ritam experience, one
time, plus some kundalini awakening later on after that particular
treatment. Also, I'm the last person to notice that I'm transcending during
the treatments. I usually have to infer this from the fact that my
experience of myself is so naturally transparent that I don't realize that
this transparency is truly my Self. These gemlight treatments are very
empowering to the mind, so that care and consideration given to one's
thoughts, speech, and action is a very good idea since they can materialize.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote:
On tonight's (MON Feb 2nd) Global Family Chat on the Maharishi
Channel, they talked about the new light/gem therapy in Maharishi
Ayurveda (the first line of Rig Veda says that agni/fire is the
source of gems,
Well, the compound word is
ratnadhaatama: (ratna-dhaa + superlative suffix -tama?)
ratnadhA [ = ratnadhaa] mfn. procuring wealth , distributing
riches or precious things (%{-tama} mfn. distñdistributing great riches) RV.
AV. S3Br. ; possessing wealth RV.
According to Macdonell's comment:
...'ratna' never means /jewel/ in the Rgveda. :/
agnim iiLe purohitaM
yajñasya devam RtvijaM
hotaaraM ratnadhaatamam.
If the cornucopia of wealth comes from agni, then possibly agni is more than
merely 'fire'? Consider this interpretation
From the 1974 MIU Course Catalog, Maharishi explains 'agnim' phoneme by
phoneme as it accumulates meaning sequentially from the first sound...
a = fullness.
g = puts a stop to fullness.
n = negates the stop of fullness.
i = progresses this negation of fullness' stop.
m = maintains this whole thing, on and on and on, like a continuous hum.
Now, let's apply this sequential rendering as a five-step template of sorts
straight from the TM technique...
a = least action is achieved: the field of the transcendent (even the sage,
Milarepa, discerns the fullness of the transcendental field as the field of
least action).
g = through alternation between: alternating phases are preceded by a stop to
the previous phase before starting the next phase.
n = rest (the negation of the relative's natural state of continuous activity)
i = and activity (activity always breeds progressive growth)
m = maintained as a daily/etc routine (how else can anything be maintained,
but as a sequence of cyclic phases?)
Sum total -
Least action is achieved through alternation between rest and activity
maintained in regular cycles.
So, TM (yogic union with agni) achieves wealth (samadhi/agni) through agni (the
five-step template described above). Kind of like saying: the course of life is
from here to here through here as well.
But of course, we already know that Maharishi uses the term 'TM' since
westerners have a strange predilection for believing that yoga means merely
postures. So, he couldn't use the more obvious term of 'yoga'. Yet, yogasta
kuru karmani = established in Being, perform action, one of the two mottos
of this movement (the other is, nistraigunyo bhavarjun = transcend) really
means established in yoga, doesn't it? Kind of gives away what TM is all
about.yoga.
gems are described in the Vedas as the Radiance of
God -- Charaka Samhita says gems are second in treatment value only
to mantras, and gems are ahead of herbal treatments). They use some
sort of light (frequency depends on the gem involved, amethyst,
emerald, etc -- seven types of gems used all told) in a flashlight-
type device which shines light through 12 gems set in gold. The light
is flashed on the palm of the hand (some of the photos in newspaper
articles show people getting the light beam on the forehead even
though the Raj people only talked about palm application), and people
are reporting good experiences (some expansion of consciousness,
healing of injured area, etc) in the 300 treatments at the Raj to
date. The light is supposed to act on the light body of the
recipient, and although there are side effects like healing, it's
basically designed to remove obstacles to enlightenment values more
than just wearing gems, with the goal of letting celestial light fill
the body. In Switzerland all the HMOs pay for this therapy up to 80%
of the cost of treatment. Ayurveda
[FairfieldLife] PBS Panel on the Transcendental Meditation Program and ADHD
EXCELLENT VIDEO CLIP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNH_Y1N8AQ4 PBS Panel on the Transcendental Meditation Program and ADHD ~~~^ ~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luvgemlight wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luvgemlight wrote:
Having received regular Maharishi Light Therapy with Gem treatments here
in southern california ( http://www.socalgemlight.com/ ) either twice or
four times each month since my first treatment last march in 2012, I can
safely say that, yes, it is a powerful treatment modality for improving
consciousness and creativity, and the light beamers are laser penlights
-- thus, the light passing through these gems is very coherent (unlike
ambient lighting from any other source). I've had a ritam experience, one
time, plus some kundalini awakening later on after that particular
treatment. Also, I'm the last person to notice that I'm transcending
during the treatments. I usually have to infer this from the fact that my
experience of myself is so naturally transparent that I don't realize
that this transparency is truly my Self. These gemlight treatments are
very empowering to the mind, so that care and consideration given to
one's thoughts, speech, and action is a very good idea since they can
materialize.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote:
On tonight's (MON Feb 2nd) Global Family Chat on the Maharishi
Channel, they talked about the new light/gem therapy in Maharishi
Ayurveda (the first line of Rig Veda says that agni/fire is the
source of gems,
Well, the compound word is
ratnadhaatama: (ratna-dhaa + superlative suffix -tama?)
ratnadhA [ = ratnadhaa] mfn. procuring wealth , distributing
riches or precious things (%{-tama} mfn. distñdistributing great riches)
RV. AV. S3Br. ; possessing wealth RV.
According to Macdonell's comment:
...'ratna' never means /jewel/ in the Rgveda. :/
agnim iiLe purohitaM
yajñasya devam RtvijaM
hotaaraM ratnadhaatamam.
If the cornucopia of wealth comes from agni, then possibly agni is more than
merely 'fire'? Consider this interpretation
From the 1974 MIU Course Catalog, Maharishi explains 'agnim' phoneme by
phoneme as it accumulates meaning sequentially from the first sound...
a = fullness.
g = puts a stop to fullness.
n = negates the stop of fullness.
i = progresses this negation of fullness' stop.
m = maintains this whole thing, on and on and on, like a continuous hum.
Now, let's apply this sequential rendering as a five-step template of sorts
straight from the TM technique...
a = least action is achieved: the field of the transcendent (even the sage,
Milarepa, discerns the fullness of the transcendental field as the field of
least action).
g = through alternation between: alternating phases are preceded by a stop
to the previous phase before starting the next phase.
n = rest (the negation of the relative's natural state of continuous
activity)
i = and activity (activity always breeds progressive growth)
m = maintained as a daily/etc routine (how else can anything be maintained,
but as a sequence of cyclic phases?)
Sum total -
Least action is achieved through alternation between rest and activity
maintained in regular cycles.
So, TM (yogic union with agni) achieves wealth (samadhi/agni) through agni
(the five-step template described above). Kind of like saying: the course of
life is from here to here through here as well.
But of course, we already know that Maharishi uses the term 'TM' since
westerners have a strange predilection for believing that yoga means merely
postures. So, he couldn't use the more obvious term of 'yoga'. Yet, yogasta
kuru karmani = established in Being, perform action, one of the two mottos
of this movement (the other is, nistraigunyo bhavarjun = transcend) really
means established in yoga, doesn't it? Kind of gives away what TM is all
about.yoga.
gems are described in the Vedas as the Radiance of
God -- Charaka Samhita says gems are second in treatment value only
to mantras, and gems are ahead of herbal treatments). They use some
sort of light (frequency depends on the gem involved, amethyst,
emerald, etc -- seven types of gems used all told) in a flashlight-
type device which shines light through 12 gems set in gold. The light
is flashed on the palm of the hand (some of the photos in newspaper
articles show people getting the light beam on the forehead even
though the Raj people only talked about palm application), and people
are reporting good experiences (some expansion of consciousness,
healing of injured area, etc) in the 300 treatments at the Raj to
date. The light is supposed to act on the light body of the
recipient, and although there are side effects like healing, it's
basically designed to remove obstacles to enlightenment values more
than just
[FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Boo, Hey, I've got most of the story for you. I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand. This jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area and was very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's astrologer, and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM MAHARISHI to do this service. God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working for commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed valid since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and commonly thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi. And she got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings while we waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads, etc. Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with yantras on them, and other what-nots. The gems were the nine vedic gems -- something like that. And they were mounted in various settings that let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch. Costs were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems mounted on it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked eye, but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow. And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their more accessible guru, and it began to stink, because Gandhi was telling folks (me for instance) that if there was a problem, then, don't bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead. Yep, pray to him for favors. That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold out to Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a big chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in the center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the bucks to keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the prayer request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most others. The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being shunted to Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess Maharishi finally heard about it, and a call from Maharishi to the Sacramento Center was arranged. On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point Maharishi got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said, (something like) Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell. Whatever else he said, don't know, but the bottom line was you're all fired if I hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY MONEY. It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi swear, so it was a doozy for me. And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler grabbing the livestock. Maharishi could have done us a solid when the rustlers hit FF and started rebranding us. Should have called us in the dome and told us to tar and feather these outlaws -- something like that. But, SSRS never had an alert about him, nor did I ever hear any MUM official naming him specifically as an outlander. Pete, can you tell us how SSRS' group was politically handled in his early days in FF? I believe a few initiators left and became Gandhi's devotees, but after the call, that was it, and until Maharishi introduced the siddhis and the AV stuff, we initiators were all back to doing, get this, 20 mins twice a day and SCI courses -- just like ordinary meditators -- the shame of it, eh? Remember back then when even initiators were not openly told to do more than 20 X 2? But every initiator I knew as doing at least an hour twice a day and feeling spiritually naughty. So, now I've got the gems etc. in a junk drawer somewhere -- pack rat here. Considering that Gandhi had but little charisma for me personally, I should have gone with him and dumped Maharishi. Why? Cuz I would have gotten done with Gandhi in fairly short order methinks, whereas the true master of the scam kept me pumping coinage into his pocket for another 25 years. Think of the money, time and angst I could have saved myself. And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on exiting the TMO, what did I do? Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis, healers, psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my unlucky numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have done, got a Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my body, got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper sounds into my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer, (she missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but all she did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: No, cutting benefits is not the way to solve the problem. To get the economy to a point where we can deal with the debt, we need to increase demand, and that will only happen if people have money to spend on goods and services. Taking austerity measures is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. When I said 'benefits' I should've said 'spending' instead. Benefits like Medicare and Social Security, of course they shouldn't be cut. But at the same time, they're not really benefits, they're entitlements. We pay into it, and therefore we're entitled to it. However, I will say that your idea that 'taking austere measures' is uncalled for indicates you have a positive outlook on the American economy and are convinced that there is an easy way out of this mess. I hope you're right, but I don't think so. No, there's no reason why we have to have a third-world economy. No reason at all? That, to me, sounds like typical American optimism. We will never have to endure through the hardships that other people and other nations go through, because we are above those hardships. But irresponsible spending, fiscal policies, and unnecessary wars could very easily lead to a collapsed economy. For some odd reason people think we're above what the Soviet Union experienced in the early 90's. The basis of thinking that way eludes me to this day. It's no different than some of my family members and friends who used to look down on people who live in trailer parks or lower income housing. They think they are so far above everyone else's lower standards of living. Now they are living that way due to poor personal and financial decisions throughout their lives. No different than us as a nation and our sense of being above the challenges that face most countries. It's no different than a family earning $50k a year who decides to go $1 million in debt. Eventually bankruptcy is inevitable. No, the government is not like a family. That's a destructive myth that makes no economic sense at all. A family can't print its own money. Yes it is a lot like a families income because the government can't print money either. The Federal Reserve prints the money, which is a private bank (although by definition serves public interest). So essentially the government is borrowing the money from the Federal Reserve with the promise of paying it back at a future date. The only difference is that when you or I borrow from a bank, we are borrowing money that already exists and is accounted for in the total amount of dollars in circulation. And we are agreeing to work for the money at a later date in order to pay back the bank. When the government borrows from the Federal Reserve, not only are they committing YOU, ME, AND EVERYONE ELSE to work for the money to pay it back later, but they are also ALTERING THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR simultaneaously because the Federal Reserve IS THE SOURCE of all US Dollars. Double whammy. And to make matters worse, all the money that we have to work for in order to pay the Federal Reserve back, we, as a nation, don't feel like it. To do that much work and not get an IPOD and sports car for it is unacceptable according to our standards. There is no immediate danger from the deficit; the medium- term situation will automatically improve as a result of spending cuts that are already mandated, so that isn't a concern. Long-term is a problem, but trying to deal with it during a recession with austerity measures will throttle the recovery. It's well established that the way to deal with a recession is deficit spending to increase jobs and demand. No 'immediate' danger? We really don't know. The Federal Reserve's transparency, or lack thereof, does not indicate how close or far we are from permanent or irreversable damage. I do know that if we had the same surpluses that we had during the Clinton Era every year, we would get this debt paid off in about 164 years given our current debt. When GWB took over, if we would've maintained Clinton's surpluses, we would've solved the national debt by the year 2052 (roughly). You may want to look into Federal Reserve conspiracies. Some of them are stupid, IMO. But some of them really get you thinking about what the hell they are doing and why. They won't tell us what they have in stock and the government and journalism does a poor job of educating us on how it works and why we went to that system in the first place. The first depression a couple of decades is, according to most sources, the primary instigator. One popular theory is that the Federal Reserve wants the US to be indebted so far that it is irreversible. Eventually a merge occurs between the Fed and other banks throughout the world, creating a leviathon banking institution that controls the world. Excerpt from a site below: The Federal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: LOL - first you have to show me that you read and understood what I wrote. So far, no tamale, big boy.:-) Most of his rant was a total non sequitur. He doesn't seem to have read your second paragraph: This Self to Self recognition easily transcends language, and makes irrelevant what another says, or doesn't say, about their personal enlightenment. So Maharishi easily recognized that there was nothing to say regarding any personal claims of his, one way or the other. I'll deal with this No, you won't. You'll make yourself look like an even worse fool. I wasn't commenting on the validity of anything DrD said, asshole, just on your stupidity in completely missing what he was saying and spouting off, first, with a contradiction of what *you yourself* had said, and second, with a nitwit non sequitur. And now you compound your own idiocy by thinking I was defending the substance of what he had said. I didn't express an opinion one way or the other. I made an editorial comment pointing out that you were so eager to diss him that you stumbled in your own bile and fell flat on your face. Loser. You are no longer capable of making even a coherent putdown. Go WAAY back and siddown. -- just for fun, and because to my way of thinking you and Jim have just reinforced my point. The Self to Self recognition referred to above as if it were either true or Truth is Merely Yet Another Thing TOLD To You By Maharishi. As such, it *again* falls into the category of Just Another Thing Said By A Human Being, and besides, it is demonstrably wrong. IF there were such a thing as Self to Self recognition, meaning (as MMY explained it) that one enlightened person could recognize enlightenment in another, then what happened in the case of Maharishi vs. Robin? Or in the many, many other cases of TMers who clearly felt to the core of their being that they had realized enlight- enment and went to Maharishi to confirm it, and he failed to? As far as Robin was concerned, Maharishi *did* confirm it. Another gigantic blooper on your part. Either they were deluded about their supposed enlightenment (a strong possibility) and Maharishi was correcting them from his platform of enlightenment (not a likely possibility IMO), or the whole concept is wrong. I lean to the latter. After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The people in those traditions assume that the teacher (living or dead) that Maharishi was dissing was enlightened, and in many cases the teachers in question assumed this, too. So was one of these supposedly enlightened people WRONG, or is the whole IDEA of Self to Self recognition WRONG. Again, I go with the latter. The thing that Jim proposed, and that you glommed onto as yet another opportunity to diss Barry, is JUST ANOTHER OPINION, spouted by JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. There is nothing that has -- or will ever -- be able to verify the truth or falsity of this opinion. Jim gloms onto it because he wants to believe it; so do you. But it IS just opinion. You were *agreeing* with him that claims to be enlightened are irrelevant because it's a purely personal, subjective experience. And the first part of his rant *contradicts* that very same agreement, in that he appears to believe that *he* is able to discern whether or not someone (in this case, you) is enlightened--i.e., since you aren't, according to him, therefore you could not possibly be speaking from experience. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether Jim is speaking from experience. The most that could EVER be is *his* experience. It NEVER equates to truth. Neither does anything EVER said by Maharishi. As for Jim being enlightened, I don't think we have to go into this. I would venture that there is no one on this forum who believes that he is. And if anyone disagrees with me on this, they are free to speak up. I swear, he's becoming less coherent by the day. And I swear, your obsession with getting Barry is becoming more embarrassing for you every day. :-) My point was -- and is -- that many (if not most) TMers spout things as truth that THEY CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER WERE TOLD TO THEM BY MAHARISHI. They seem to believe that these things just spring to their minds as if coming from some platform of truth, wise sutras of wisdom like Self knows Self. But all they are doing is parroting shit TOLD to them by someone else. Don't get your hopes up that this is the start of one of the long, protracted arguments you live for, BTW. I will not reply to anything you say in reply, and probably won't even bother to read it. I just felt like
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time
Hi, and thank you for your compliment! I enjoyed listening to your selection too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Very very nice.  Reminds of this a bit for some reason, but it takes nothing away from your composition, which stands beautifully on its own...50 and out, or maybe 51...we'll see.  Since when did counting get to be so difficult.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpgtILuOl68 From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Time  I put this one together, wanting to demonstrate the passage of time, through the expansion, and continuation of sound. Indian, Western,  Reggae, and Japanese ingredients: Time (3:58) https://www.box.com/shared/gizzkhm3jh (c)temple dog
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
You said, I'll deal with this -- just for fun... But, it neither reads as, nor feels like, fun, at all. You have a very strange feeling of fun, completely unlike mine, in fact unrecognizable as such, in my experience. Anything else from you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: LOL - first you have to show me that you read and understood what I wrote. So far, no tamale, big boy.:-) Most of his rant was a total non sequitur. He doesn't seem to have read your second paragraph: This Self to Self recognition easily transcends language, and makes irrelevant what another says, or doesn't say, about their personal enlightenment. So Maharishi easily recognized that there was nothing to say regarding any personal claims of his, one way or the other. I'll deal with this -- just for fun, and because to my way of thinking you and Jim have just reinforced my point. The Self to Self recognition referred to above as if it were either true or Truth is Merely Yet Another Thing TOLD To You By Maharishi. As such, it *again* falls into the category of Just Another Thing Said By A Human Being, and besides, it is demonstrably wrong. IF there were such a thing as Self to Self recognition, meaning (as MMY explained it) that one enlightened person could recognize enlightenment in another, then what happened in the case of Maharishi vs. Robin? Or in the many, many other cases of TMers who clearly felt to the core of their being that they had realized enlight- enment and went to Maharishi to confirm it, and he failed to? Either they were deluded about their supposed enlightenment (a strong possibility) and Maharishi was correcting them from his platform of enlightenment (not a likely possibility IMO), or the whole concept is wrong. I lean to the latter. After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The people in those traditions assume that the teacher (living or dead) that Maharishi was dissing was enlightened, and in many cases the teachers in question assumed this, too. So was one of these supposedly enlightened people WRONG, or is the whole IDEA of Self to Self recognition WRONG. Again, I go with the latter. The thing that Jim proposed, and that you glommed onto as yet another opportunity to diss Barry, is JUST ANOTHER OPINION, spouted by JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. There is nothing that has -- or will ever -- be able to verify the truth or falsity of this opinion. Jim gloms onto it because he wants to believe it; so do you. But it IS just opinion. You were *agreeing* with him that claims to be enlightened are irrelevant because it's a purely personal, subjective experience. And the first part of his rant *contradicts* that very same agreement, in that he appears to believe that *he* is able to discern whether or not someone (in this case, you) is enlightened--i.e., since you aren't, according to him, therefore you could not possibly be speaking from experience. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether Jim is speaking from experience. The most that could EVER be is *his* experience. It NEVER equates to truth. Neither does anything EVER said by Maharishi. As for Jim being enlightened, I don't think we have to go into this. I would venture that there is no one on this forum who believes that he is. And if anyone disagrees with me on this, they are free to speak up. I swear, he's becoming less coherent by the day. And I swear, your obsession with getting Barry is becoming more embarrassing for you every day. :-) My point was -- and is -- that many (if not most) TMers spout things as truth that THEY CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER WERE TOLD TO THEM BY MAHARISHI. They seem to believe that these things just spring to their minds as if coming from some platform of truth, wise sutras of wisdom like Self knows Self. But all they are doing is parroting shit TOLD to them by someone else. Don't get your hopes up that this is the start of one of the long, protracted arguments you live for, BTW. I will not reply to anything you say in reply, and probably won't even bother to read it. I just felt like replying this morning on a whim, and the whim is now over. Besides, when it comes to discussing enlightenment experiences, you don't even have experience to draw on, so by definition anything you have to say on the subject was TOLD to you by someone, and thus truly irrelevant. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: LOL - first you have to show me that you read and understood what I wrote. So far, no tamale, big boy.:-) Most of his rant was a total non sequitur. He doesn't seem to have read your second paragraph: This Self to Self recognition easily transcends language, and makes irrelevant what another says, or doesn't say, about their personal enlightenment. So Maharishi easily recognized that there was nothing to say regarding any personal claims of his, one way or the other. I'll deal with this -- just for fun, and because to my way of thinking you and Jim have just reinforced my point. The Self to Self recognition referred to above as if it were either true or Truth is Merely Yet Another Thing TOLD To You By Maharishi. As such, it *again* falls into the category of Just Another Thing Said By A Human Being, and besides, it is demonstrably wrong. IF there were such a thing as Self to Self recognition, meaning (as MMY explained it) that one enlightened person could recognize enlightenment in another, then what happened in the case of Maharishi vs. Robin? Or in the many, many other cases of TMers who clearly felt to the core of their being that they had realized enlight- enment and went to Maharishi to confirm it, and he failed to? Either they were deluded about their supposed enlightenment (a strong possibility) and Maharishi was correcting them from his platform of enlightenment (not a likely possibility IMO), or the whole concept is wrong. I lean to the latter. After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The people in those traditions assume that the teacher (living or dead) that Maharishi was dissing was enlightened, and in many cases the teachers in question assumed this, too. So was one of these supposedly enlightened people WRONG, or is the whole IDEA of Self to Self recognition WRONG. Again, I go with the latter. The thing that Jim proposed, and that you glommed onto as yet another opportunity to diss Barry, is JUST ANOTHER OPINION, spouted by JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. There is nothing that has -- or will ever -- be able to verify the truth or falsity of this opinion. Jim gloms onto it because he wants to believe it; so do you. But it IS just opinion. You were *agreeing* with him that claims to be enlightened are irrelevant because it's a purely personal, subjective experience. And the first part of his rant *contradicts* that very same agreement, in that he appears to believe that *he* is able to discern whether or not someone (in this case, you) is enlightened--i.e., since you aren't, according to him, therefore you could not possibly be speaking from experience. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether Jim is speaking from experience. The most that could EVER be is *his* experience. It NEVER equates to truth. Neither does anything EVER said by Maharishi. As for Jim being enlightened, I don't think we have to go into this. I would venture that there is no one on this forum who believes that he is. And if anyone disagrees with me on this, they are free to speak up. I swear, he's becoming less coherent by the day. And I swear, your obsession with getting Barry is becoming more embarrassing for you every day. :-) My point was -- and is -- that many (if not most) TMers spout things as truth that THEY CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER WERE TOLD TO THEM BY MAHARISHI. They seem to believe that these things just spring to their minds as if coming from some platform of truth, wise sutras of wisdom like Self knows Self. But all they are doing is parroting shit TOLD to them by someone else. Don't get your hopes up that this is the start of one of the long, protracted arguments you live for, BTW. I will not reply to anything you say in reply, and probably won't even bother to read it. I just felt like replying this morning on a whim, and the whim is now over. Besides, when it comes to discussing enlightenment experiences, you don't even have experience to draw on, so by definition anything you have to say on the subject was TOLD to you by someone, and thus truly irrelevant. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: He (MMY) should have been more upfront about his enlightenment status... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: What difference would that have made? It would have been Just Another Human Being Making
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
Thank you! Much better! Always LOVED Porky! (50 for me) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: LOL - first you have to show me that you read and understood what I wrote. So far, no tamale, big boy.:-) Most of his rant was a total non sequitur. He doesn't seem to have read your second paragraph: This Self to Self recognition easily transcends language, and makes irrelevant what another says, or doesn't say, about their personal enlightenment. So Maharishi easily recognized that there was nothing to say regarding any personal claims of his, one way or the other. I'll deal with this -- just for fun, and because to my way of thinking you and Jim have just reinforced my point. The Self to Self recognition referred to above as if it were either true or Truth is Merely Yet Another Thing TOLD To You By Maharishi. As such, it *again* falls into the category of Just Another Thing Said By A Human Being, and besides, it is demonstrably wrong. IF there were such a thing as Self to Self recognition, meaning (as MMY explained it) that one enlightened person could recognize enlightenment in another, then what happened in the case of Maharishi vs. Robin? Or in the many, many other cases of TMers who clearly felt to the core of their being that they had realized enlight- enment and went to Maharishi to confirm it, and he failed to? Either they were deluded about their supposed enlightenment (a strong possibility) and Maharishi was correcting them from his platform of enlightenment (not a likely possibility IMO), or the whole concept is wrong. I lean to the latter. After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The people in those traditions assume that the teacher (living or dead) that Maharishi was dissing was enlightened, and in many cases the teachers in question assumed this, too. So was one of these supposedly enlightened people WRONG, or is the whole IDEA of Self to Self recognition WRONG. Again, I go with the latter. The thing that Jim proposed, and that you glommed onto as yet another opportunity to diss Barry, is JUST ANOTHER OPINION, spouted by JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. There is nothing that has -- or will ever -- be able to verify the truth or falsity of this opinion. Jim gloms onto it because he wants to believe it; so do you. But it IS just opinion. You were *agreeing* with him that claims to be enlightened are irrelevant because it's a purely personal, subjective experience. And the first part of his rant *contradicts* that very same agreement, in that he appears to believe that *he* is able to discern whether or not someone (in this case, you) is enlightened--i.e., since you aren't, according to him, therefore you could not possibly be speaking from experience. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether Jim is speaking from experience. The most that could EVER be is *his* experience. It NEVER equates to truth. Neither does anything EVER said by Maharishi. As for Jim being enlightened, I don't think we have to go into this. I would venture that there is no one on this forum who believes that he is. And if anyone disagrees with me on this, they are free to speak up. I swear, he's becoming less coherent by the day. And I swear, your obsession with getting Barry is becoming more embarrassing for you every day. :-) My point was -- and is -- that many (if not most) TMers spout things as truth that THEY CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER WERE TOLD TO THEM BY MAHARISHI. They seem to believe that these things just spring to their minds as if coming from some platform of truth, wise sutras of wisdom like Self knows Self. But all they are doing is parroting shit TOLD to them by someone else. Don't get your hopes up that this is the start of one of the long, protracted arguments you live for, BTW. I will not reply to anything you say in reply, and probably won't even bother to read it. I just felt like replying this morning on a whim, and the whim is now over. Besides, when it comes to discussing enlightenment experiences, you don't even have experience to draw on, so by definition anything you have to say on the subject was TOLD to you by someone, and thus truly irrelevant. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: He (MMY) should have been more
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: No, cutting benefits is not the way to solve the problem. To get the economy to a point where we can deal with the debt, we need to increase demand, and that will only happen if people have money to spend on goods and services. Taking austerity measures is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. When I said 'benefits' I should've said 'spending' instead. OK. That's why I asked what you meant by benefits. ;-) Benefits like Medicare and Social Security, of course they shouldn't be cut. But at the same time, they're not really benefits, they're entitlements. We pay into it, and therefore we're entitled to it. Right. With regard to Medicare and Medicaid, however, we have to figure out how to get healthcare costs under control, or *they* will bankrupt us. However, I will say that your idea that 'taking austere measures' is uncalled for indicates you have a positive outlook on the American economy and are convinced that there is an easy way out of this mess. I hope you're right, but I don't think so. I'm not saying it will be easy even if everyone immediately converted to the idea of increasing demand rather than cutting spending, only that the latter by itself will make things worse rather than better. No, there's no reason why we have to have a third-world economy. No reason at all? That, to me, sounds like typical American optimism. We will never have to endure through the hardships that other people and other nations go through, because we are above those hardships. Please don't put words in my mouth. But irresponsible spending, fiscal policies, and unnecessary wars could very easily lead to a collapsed economy. Right. But we don't *have* to do any of that. We have choices. Whether we're capable of making the right ones is another question. That, I'm *not* optimistic about. I'm not into American exceptionalism, believe me. That dogma tends to blind us to our problems and leads us to make disastrous choices. snip It's no different than a family earning $50k a year who decides to go $1 million in debt. Eventually bankruptcy is inevitable. No, the government is not like a family. That's a destructive myth that makes no economic sense at all. A family can't print its own money. Yes it is a lot like a families income because the government can't print money either. The Federal Reserve prints the money, which is a private bank (although by definition serves public interest). So essentially the government is borrowing the money from the Federal Reserve with the promise of paying it back at a future date. The only difference is that when you or I borrow from a bank, we are borrowing money that already exists and is accounted for in the total amount of dollars in circulation. And we are agreeing to work for the money at a later date in order to pay back the bank. When the government borrows from the Federal Reserve, not only are they committing YOU, ME, AND EVERYONE ELSE to work for the money to pay it back later, but they are also ALTERING THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR simultaneaously because the Federal Reserve IS THE SOURCE of all US Dollars. Double whammy. Inflation is not a threat at this time, and borrowing costs are very low. If we overdid it, we could get into big trouble, but that just isn't in prospect for now. And to make matters worse, all the money that we have to work for in order to pay the Federal Reserve back, we, as a nation, don't feel like it. To do that much work and not get an IPOD and sports car for it is unacceptable according to our standards. That isn't an economic argument, and you're overgeneralizing. There is no immediate danger from the deficit; the medium- term situation will automatically improve as a result of spending cuts that are already mandated, so that isn't a concern. Long-term is a problem, but trying to deal with it during a recession with austerity measures will throttle the recovery. It's well established that the way to deal with a recession is deficit spending to increase jobs and demand. No 'immediate' danger? We really don't know. The Federal Reserve's transparency, or lack thereof, does not indicate how close or far we are from permanent or irreversable damage. I do know that if we had the same surpluses that we had during the Clinton Era every year, we would get this debt paid off in about 164 years given our current debt. When GWB took over, if we would've maintained Clinton's surpluses, we would've solved the national debt by the year 2052 (roughly). That may be, but in fact we don't actually *have* to pay off the deficit, just reduce it to the point where it isn't holding us back. You may want to look into Federal Reserve conspiracies. No, thanks! Criticisms are one thing, conspiracy theories quite
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The only one example I know of is that of Rajneesh. Benjamin Creme backs Maharishi on this. In his efforts to TRY to denounce Maharishi, making unfounded claims is the habit of the Turq in his lifelong smear-campaign. The fellow is blinded with hate He is indeed. While Barry might, occasionally, have something useful and possibly insightful to say, his message is often so smeared over with the matter made up of his need for revenge, his deep resentment and anger and sometimes hate, the message becomes impossibly lost - overwritten by this ugliness. It is just so hard to get by it, and such an odious job to try. Like having to dig through a pile of shit just to find a lost button. Just not worth it. and religious fanatism where anything goes as long as you nourish the idea of Buddhist superiority.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Thank you! Much better! Always LOVED Porky! (50 for me) Bye, for a few hours, Doc. See you soon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: LOL - first you have to show me that you read and understood what I wrote. So far, no tamale, big boy.:-) Most of his rant was a total non sequitur. He doesn't seem to have read your second paragraph: This Self to Self recognition easily transcends language, and makes irrelevant what another says, or doesn't say, about their personal enlightenment. So Maharishi easily recognized that there was nothing to say regarding any personal claims of his, one way or the other. I'll deal with this -- just for fun, and because to my way of thinking you and Jim have just reinforced my point. The Self to Self recognition referred to above as if it were either true or Truth is Merely Yet Another Thing TOLD To You By Maharishi. As such, it *again* falls into the category of Just Another Thing Said By A Human Being, and besides, it is demonstrably wrong. IF there were such a thing as Self to Self recognition, meaning (as MMY explained it) that one enlightened person could recognize enlightenment in another, then what happened in the case of Maharishi vs. Robin? Or in the many, many other cases of TMers who clearly felt to the core of their being that they had realized enlight- enment and went to Maharishi to confirm it, and he failed to? Either they were deluded about their supposed enlightenment (a strong possibility) and Maharishi was correcting them from his platform of enlightenment (not a likely possibility IMO), or the whole concept is wrong. I lean to the latter. After all, Maharishi has also been known to make similar not enlightened pronouncements about fairly well-known teachers outside his tradition. The people in those traditions assume that the teacher (living or dead) that Maharishi was dissing was enlightened, and in many cases the teachers in question assumed this, too. So was one of these supposedly enlightened people WRONG, or is the whole IDEA of Self to Self recognition WRONG. Again, I go with the latter. The thing that Jim proposed, and that you glommed onto as yet another opportunity to diss Barry, is JUST ANOTHER OPINION, spouted by JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. There is nothing that has -- or will ever -- be able to verify the truth or falsity of this opinion. Jim gloms onto it because he wants to believe it; so do you. But it IS just opinion. You were *agreeing* with him that claims to be enlightened are irrelevant because it's a purely personal, subjective experience. And the first part of his rant *contradicts* that very same agreement, in that he appears to believe that *he* is able to discern whether or not someone (in this case, you) is enlightened--i.e., since you aren't, according to him, therefore you could not possibly be speaking from experience. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether Jim is speaking from experience. The most that could EVER be is *his* experience. It NEVER equates to truth. Neither does anything EVER said by Maharishi. As for Jim being enlightened, I don't think we have to go into this. I would venture that there is no one on this forum who believes that he is. And if anyone disagrees with me on this, they are free to speak up. I swear, he's becoming less coherent by the day. And I swear, your obsession with getting Barry is becoming more embarrassing for you every day. :-) My point was -- and is -- that many (if not most) TMers spout things as truth that THEY CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER WERE TOLD TO THEM BY MAHARISHI. They seem to believe that these things just spring to their minds as if coming from some platform of truth, wise sutras of wisdom like Self knows Self. But all they are doing is parroting shit TOLD to them by someone else. Don't get your hopes up that this is the start of one of the long, protracted arguments you live for, BTW. I will not reply to anything you say in reply, and probably won't even bother to read it. I just felt like replying this morning on a whim, and the whim is now over. Besides, when it comes to discussing enlightenment experiences, you don't even have experience to draw on, so by definition anything you have to say on the subject was TOLD to you by someone, and thus truly irrelevant. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4 --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
(I annotated all my snips, but for some reason they aren't showing up. Yahoo may have decided angle brackets can't be used for anything except quote prefixes. I've reinserted my notations below using square brackets. I hope I got them all, but I may have missed a couple.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: No, cutting benefits is not the way to solve the problem. To get the economy to a point where we can deal with the debt, we need to increase demand, and that will only happen if people have money to spend on goods and services. Taking austerity measures is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. When I said 'benefits' I should've said 'spending' instead. OK. That's why I asked what you meant by benefits. ;-) Benefits like Medicare and Social Security, of course they shouldn't be cut. But at the same time, they're not really benefits, they're entitlements. We pay into it, and therefore we're entitled to it. Right. With regard to Medicare and Medicaid, however, we have to figure out how to get healthcare costs under control, or *they* will bankrupt us. However, I will say that your idea that 'taking austere measures' is uncalled for indicates you have a positive outlook on the American economy and are convinced that there is an easy way out of this mess. I hope you're right, but I don't think so. I'm not saying it will be easy even if everyone immediately converted to the idea of increasing demand rather than cutting spending, only that the latter by itself will make things worse rather than better. No, there's no reason why we have to have a third-world economy. No reason at all? That, to me, sounds like typical American optimism. We will never have to endure through the hardships that other people and other nations go through, because we are above those hardships. Please don't put words in my mouth. But irresponsible spending, fiscal policies, and unnecessary wars could very easily lead to a collapsed economy. Right. But we don't *have* to do any of that. We have choices. Whether we're capable of making the right ones is another question. That, I'm *not* optimistic about. I'm not into American exceptionalism, believe me. That dogma tends to blind us to our problems and leads us to make disastrous choices. [snip] It's no different than a family earning $50k a year who decides to go $1 million in debt. Eventually bankruptcy is inevitable. No, the government is not like a family. That's a destructive myth that makes no economic sense at all. A family can't print its own money. Yes it is a lot like a families income because the government can't print money either. The Federal Reserve prints the money, which is a private bank (although by definition serves public interest). So essentially the government is borrowing the money from the Federal Reserve with the promise of paying it back at a future date. The only difference is that when you or I borrow from a bank, we are borrowing money that already exists and is accounted for in the total amount of dollars in circulation. And we are agreeing to work for the money at a later date in order to pay back the bank. When the government borrows from the Federal Reserve, not only are they committing YOU, ME, AND EVERYONE ELSE to work for the money to pay it back later, but they are also ALTERING THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR simultaneaously because the Federal Reserve IS THE SOURCE of all US Dollars. Double whammy. Inflation is not a threat at this time, and borrowing costs are very low. If we overdid it, we could get into big trouble, but that just isn't in prospect for now. And to make matters worse, all the money that we have to work for in order to pay the Federal Reserve back, we, as a nation, don't feel like it. To do that much work and not get an IPOD and sports car for it is unacceptable according to our standards. That isn't an economic argument, and you're overgeneralizing. There is no immediate danger from the deficit; the medium- term situation will automatically improve as a result of spending cuts that are already mandated, so that isn't a concern. Long-term is a problem, but trying to deal with it during a recession with austerity measures will throttle the recovery. It's well established that the way to deal with a recession is deficit spending to increase jobs and demand. No 'immediate' danger? We really don't know. The Federal Reserve's transparency, or lack thereof, does not indicate how close or far we are from permanent or irreversable damage. I do know that if we had the same surpluses that we had during the Clinton Era every year, we would get this debt paid off
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: He is indeed. While Barry might, occasionally, have something useful and possibly insightful to say, his message is often so smeared over with the matter made up of his need for revenge, his deep resentment and anger and sometimes hate, the message becomes impossibly lost - overwritten by this ugliness. It is just so hard to get by it, and such an odious job to try. Like having to dig through a pile of shit just to find a lost button. Just not worth it. Annie-poo, I think you were describing yourself, not me. I have no hate, either for Maharishi or for anyone here, but it sure appears that you have some for me. and religious fanatism where anything goes as long as you nourish the idea of Buddhist superiority. Please provide even one example of me asserting Buddhism's superiority. Hint...you won't be able to, even if you pull your head out of your ass and search, because it's Nabby's fantasy. I neither believe that Buddhism is superior to anything else nor, as far as I know, have ever suggested that it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: He is indeed. While Barry might, occasionally, have something useful and possibly insightful to say, his message is often so smeared over with the matter made up of his need for revenge, his deep resentment and anger and sometimes hate, the message becomes impossibly lost - overwritten by this ugliness. It is just so hard to get by it, and such an odious job to try. Like having to dig through a pile of shit just to find a lost button. Just not worth it. Annie-poo I told you not to reveal our secret pet names for each other. Tsk, tsk. , I think you were describing yourself, not me. I have no hate, either for Maharishi or for anyone here, but it sure appears that you have some for me. I am not sure I would call it 'hate'. In fact, I am positive I would not. I do not hate you, I don't even dislike you particularly. I find you caustic and unnecessarily negative at times. You often get out a really big gun when a small slingshot would do. That implies some sort of anger management issue. Or maybe you just like to get people upset or to react to you for the sake of it (strange pastime in my opinion but whatever floats your proverbial boat.) No, in fact, if you actually took the bother to see it, you and I agree, in principal, on quite a bit. It is just that you get rolling on your need to push buttons and create reactions in others so your messages are lost in the fray. It is a shame because you sometimes have cool things to say, they just need a little deodorant. and religious fanatism where anything goes as long as you nourish the idea of Buddhist superiority. Please provide even one example of me asserting Buddhism's superiority. Actually, that was part of what Nabby wrote, my (lack of) spacing after my last sentence made it look like I wrote it. Go back and re-read his initial post to you, you will see that was the last part of his initial message. Hint...you won't be able to, even if you pull your head out of your ass and search, because it's Nabby's fantasy. I neither believe that Buddhism is superior to anything else nor, as far as I know, have ever suggested that it is. Now say you're sorry Barry. My head wasn't anywhere near my ass - this time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: He is indeed. While Barry might, occasionally, have something useful and possibly insightful to say, his message is often so smeared over with the matter made up of his need for revenge, his deep resentment and anger and sometimes hate, the message becomes impossibly lost - overwritten by this ugliness. It is just so hard to get by it, and such an odious job to try. Like having to dig through a pile of shit just to find a lost button. Just not worth it. Annie-poo, I think you were describing yourself, not me. I have no hate, either for Maharishi or for anyone here Au contraire, Pierre. Ann has described you to a T. , but it sure appears that you have some for me. and religious fanatism where anything goes as long as you nourish the idea of Buddhist superiority. Please provide even one example of me asserting Buddhism's superiority. Asshole. Those two lines were quite obviously left over from Nabby's post to which Ann was responding. Hint...you won't be able to, even if you pull your head out of your ass and search, because it's Nabby's fantasy. I neither believe that Buddhism is superior to anything else nor, as far as I know, have ever suggested that it is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water
Maybe like Lourdes water? From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water Dunno - its got spiritual properties I reckon From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: If true, its the first time they ever gave anything away for free in the history of the TMO Is someone supposed to drink this water?! I think it might be safer to drink ditchwater. No wonder it's free. If it's from the source of that great river, however, then I can get the same by drinking water melted from the mountains and glaciers here in British Columbia. What is this water supposed to do? Ganga water reaches faithful across world By Mrigank Tiwari, TNN | Jan 14, 2013, 02.47 AM IST ALLAHABAD: Since before plastic containers began to carry water of the Ganga far and wide, disciples of spiritual guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have been reaching it as blessings from India. As far back as in 1992, members of the math (trust) have been packing Ganga jal into tamra-paatra (copper urns) of 1 to 4 liters capacity for disciples in the West in around 120 countries. Sharing details with TOI, Dr T C Pathak national spokesperson of the trust said Ganga and Vedic philosophy had always drawn the Western world towards Indian culture, so Maharishiji (Mahesh Yogi) came up with the proposal in 1992 to export Gangajal to his disciples in the West. Water of the holy river was collected simultaneously from Sangam and Uttarkashi in Uttarakhand, the originating point of holy Ganga by functionaries of the trust and later packed in tamra-kalash (copper containers) of different sizes varying from 1 litre to 4 litres and shipped across to disciples at various centres across the world in around 120 countries with the message Blessings of India to the world inscribed on the containers. The Gangajal was sent as a complimentary gift along with religious text and scriptures translated by the Guru and distributed free. The practice continued till the death of Mahesh Yogi in 2008, said Pathak.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Maybe like Lourdes water? Hey, don't knock Lourdes water. I can personally attest to a healing that it performed. While I was vacationing in France many years ago, a friend of mine from the Rama trip dropped by the house we were renting and stayed for a couple of days. He was touring France with his girlfriend, and they had just stopped at Lourdes on the way to our place, so as a kind of gift as I picked them up at the train station he gave me a big jug of water from the spring there. It wasn't fancy, just a half-gallon plastic jug with Catholic decorations on it, and full of water. He swore by it, telling me how drinking it had relieved the symptoms of whatever psychosomatic illness he had that week. :-) I stuck it in the trunk of my car along with their bags, and forgot to take it out when we got to the house. And it's not likely that I'd have drunk any of it even if I had remembered. But a few days later, after he and his girlfriend had left, I was driving my rented car through the Pyrenees and it overheated. I checked the radiator, and it was almost empty. I had passed the closest gas station about ten miles earlier, and there were no nearby streams at which to get any water to fill the radiator back up. Searching through the trunk looking for anything that could help me, I discovered the Lourdes water. I poured it into the radiator and -- MIRACLE! -- that worked long enough to get me back to the gas station. I would imagine that the Ganges water would work just as well... From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water Dunno - its got spiritual properties I reckon From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: If true, its the first time they ever gave anything away for free in the history of the TMO Is someone supposed to drink this water?! I think it might be safer to drink ditchwater. No wonder it's free. If it's from the source of that great river, however, then I can get the same by drinking water melted from the mountains and glaciers here in British Columbia. What is this water supposed to do? Ganga water reaches faithful across world By Mrigank Tiwari, TNN | Jan 14, 2013, 02.47 AM IST ALLAHABAD: Since before plastic containers began to carry water of the Ganga far and wide, disciples of spiritual guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have been reaching it as blessings from India. As far back as in 1992, members of the math (trust) have been packing Ganga jal into tamra-paatra (copper urns) of 1 to 4 liters capacity for disciples in the West in around 120 countries. Sharing details with TOI, Dr T C Pathak national spokesperson of the trust said Ganga and Vedic philosophy had always drawn the Western world towards Indian culture, so Maharishiji (Mahesh Yogi) came up with the proposal in 1992 to export Gangajal to his disciples in the West. Water of the holy river was collected simultaneously from Sangam and Uttarkashi in Uttarakhand, the originating point of holy Ganga by functionaries of the trust and later packed in tamra-kalash (copper containers) of different sizes varying from 1 litre to 4 litres and shipped across to disciples at various centres across the world in around 120 countries with the message Blessings of India to the world inscribed on the containers. The Gangajal was sent as a complimentary gift along with religious text and scriptures translated by the Guru and distributed free. The practice continued till the death of Mahesh Yogi in 2008, said Pathak.
[FairfieldLife] The Great Usterity Swindle
Congresspeople, corporate CEOs, tea partiers, most economists, *Peter George Peterson's minions and even our President, tell us: 1. We're running out of money. 2. We can't keep running huge deficits, and increasing our national debt forever. 3. Eventually, our creditors will just cease lending us our dollars back. 4. Government can only raise money by either taxing or borrowing. 5. We can't tax the job creators very much or they'll go on strike and won't create any jobs because we'll have killed their incentive. 6. We have to reduce our borrowing. 7. We can have hardly any tax increases on the job creators. 8. We have to lower taxes on the job creators even more. 9. Raise taxes on the unproductive 47% or is it 99%? 10. Cut spending on programs that provide benefits for the poor, the middle class, and the 99%. 11. We have to live within our means, and remove the burden of excessive public debt on our grandchildren. All these reasons for austerity are bogus and here's why: 1. The job creators aren't making any jobs. That's a fact! They give all kinds of excuses, but the truth is that they have no sales, [because there is no *demand* because people don't have money and jobs] so the job creators have no incentive to create any more jobs. 2. If we lower the job creator's taxes, the more money they have sitting idle, which they will invest in financial manipulation schemes rather than jobs. 3. Taxing the rich at extremely high rates on net profits and provides them an incentive to lower their net profits by spending more of their gross profits on tax-deductible business expenses like employees and business expansion. 4. High taxes on the rich will do more to create jobs than lower taxes. 5. We had far lower unemployment rates when marginal tax rates were sky-high, than we have now when taxes are a pittance on the wealthy. 6. Congress can always reorganize the Federal Reserve so that the regional Fed Banks are nationalized and both they and the Board of Governors are placed under the authority of the Secretary of the Treasury, so that the Secretary is empowered to create reserves out of thin air to fill the Treasury's spending account, and keep it filled with sufficient funds to repay the national debt and cover the deficit without borrowing. 7. Congress has the Constitutional authority to do this and keep us debt free and then we would not have to make spending cuts or tax increases at all. 8. To pay off the national debt and cover the deficits for years to come; it isn't even necessary for Congress to reorganize the Fed. 9. The Treasury can use the Fed to create money in Treasury's account from seigniorage. 10. All that's necessary is for the President to mint a High Value Platinum Coin (HVPC) with a face value of $60 Trillion dollars, deposit it at the Fed, and then begin to pay off the national debt and implement deficit spending using the electronic credits created in the process of seigniorage. 11. It is a myth that the Federal Government can only get money for spending from taxing or borrowing. 12. Congress can modify the laws, as just described, so Treasury can generate US money out of thin air, just as the Fed does today, that Treasury can use to pay down the debt and cover deficit spending. 13. Printing money will not cause inflation because reserves issued unaccompanied by debt are no more inflationary than reserves issued along with debt and, most importantly, we also know that if you legislate the ability for Treasury to do this, then you won't have to worry about the deficit and debt or our grand children anymore; and we won't have to worry about cutting the social safety net and other necessary programs anymore. 14. It is a myth that the Federal Government can only get money for spending from taxing or borrowing, because the President can use Platinum Coin Seigniorage (PCS) to harness the power of the Fed to generate reserves that end up in the Treasury General Account (TGA), and Treasury can then use the reserves to pay down the debt and cover deficit spending. 15. This won't cause inflation for reasons stated above, and, most importantly, if Treasury does this on orders of the President, then we won't have to worry about the deficit and debt or our grand children anymore; and we won't have to worry about cutting safety net and other necessary programs anymore either. All the reasons in The Great Austerity Swindle for wanting to reduce the deficit and impose austerity on the 99% are bogus. The Simpson-Boles Cat Food debt commissions, the debt ceiling crises, the fiscal cliff, the sequestration, the continuing resolution, budgetary crises, and the constant propaganda campaign directed at us is a grand shock doctrine process attempting to swindle us out of a government that works for 99% of us rather than the 1%. We know that the Grand Bargain is the Great Betrayal! And we won't have it! Read article without RD's edits here:
Re: [FairfieldLife] RSA Animate - Smile Or Die
Thanks for this. I enjoy RSAnimate and agree with Ehrenreich. And I think a lot of TMers have misinterpreted Maharishi on this topic of never entertain negativity. Speaking on the role of entertainment with comedian Andy Kaufman Maharishi explains, and here I'll paraphrase, that entertainment means to hold within. My logical guess is that on the topic of negativity, Maharishi was saying that it's best not to hold negativity within, not to dwell on it unnecessarily. I agree with this. And I think there is a big difference between dealing with negativity, dwelling on it and entertaining it. If one gets a paper cut, say ouch and move on; if one get a bleeding cut, apply antiseptic and bandaid and move on. If one's finger gets caught in a door and the tip is dangling by a tendon, then rush to the ER and have a hand specialist sew it back on. IOW, the severity of the negativity or problem determines the amount of attention that is needed to deal with it adequately. What I'd really like to see are brain scans when someone is truly smiling and when someone is fake smiling. Because I have read that smiling releases endorphins into the body. In my own experience, a true smile and a fake smile have very different energetic feelings, as does grounded positivity vs. what I call hyperpositivity. Somehow this video also brings to mind Susan Cain's book on introversion called Quiet. BTW, on Batgap someone mentioned that her TED Talk on the same topic was the quickest to reach a very high number of hits. Anyway, note that I'm not equating introversion with pessimism. And I'm definitely not equating extroversion with optimism, though the two can appear very similar, especially in the corporate world. In Quiet Cain suggests that the book How To Win Friends and Influence People greatly influenced and continues to influence the corporate world in the sense that everyone was and is being encouraged to be outgoing. Cain points out the problems with this and I think they are very similar to the problems that Ehrenreich discusses. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RSA Animate - Smile Or Die This one just *nails* the problem with The Secret and other forms of positive thinking, not to mention the TMO's never entertain negativity and its tendency to excommunicate anyone who interjects a note of reality into its pronouncements of unreality. They're delusional. They're a form of social control. And they're dangerous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water
Support of Nature! which of course I'm saying just to rile you up. And also because I think it was (-: Any good results with Dutch canal water? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Maybe like Lourdes water? Hey, don't knock Lourdes water. I can personally attest to a healing that it performed. While I was vacationing in France many years ago, a friend of mine from the Rama trip dropped by the house we were renting and stayed for a couple of days. He was touring France with his girlfriend, and they had just stopped at Lourdes on the way to our place, so as a kind of gift as I picked them up at the train station he gave me a big jug of water from the spring there. It wasn't fancy, just a half-gallon plastic jug with Catholic decorations on it, and full of water. He swore by it, telling me how drinking it had relieved the symptoms of whatever psychosomatic illness he had that week. :-) I stuck it in the trunk of my car along with their bags, and forgot to take it out when we got to the house. And it's not likely that I'd have drunk any of it even if I had remembered. But a few days later, after he and his girlfriend had left, I was driving my rented car through the Pyrenees and it overheated. I checked the radiator, and it was almost empty. I had passed the closest gas station about ten miles earlier, and there were no nearby streams at which to get any water to fill the radiator back up. Searching through the trunk looking for anything that could help me, I discovered the Lourdes water. I poured it into the radiator and -- MIRACLE! -- that worked long enough to get me back to the gas station. I would imagine that the Ganges water would work just as well... From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water Dunno - its got spiritual properties I reckon From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy Water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 wrote: If true, its the first time they ever gave anything away for free in the history of the TMO Is someone supposed to drink this water?! I think it might be safer to drink ditchwater. No wonder it's free. If it's from the source of that great river, however, then I can get the same by drinking water melted from the mountains and glaciers here in British Columbia. What is this water supposed to do? Ganga water reaches faithful across world By Mrigank Tiwari, TNN | Jan 14, 2013, 02.47 AM IST ALLAHABAD: Since before plastic containers began to carry water of the Ganga far and wide, disciples of spiritual guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have been reaching it as blessings from India. As far back as in 1992, members of the math (trust) have been packing Ganga jal into tamra-paatra (copper urns) of 1 to 4 liters capacity for disciples in the West in around 120 countries. Sharing details with TOI, Dr T C Pathak national spokesperson of the trust said Ganga and Vedic philosophy had always drawn the Western world towards Indian culture, so Maharishiji (Mahesh Yogi) came up with the proposal in 1992 to export Gangajal to his disciples in the West. Water of the holy river was collected simultaneously from Sangam and Uttarkashi in Uttarakhand, the originating point of holy Ganga by functionaries of the trust and later packed in tamra-kalash (copper containers) of different sizes varying from 1 litre to 4 litres and shipped across to disciples at various centres across the world in around 120 countries with the message Blessings of India to the world inscribed on the containers. The Gangajal was sent as a complimentary gift along with religious text and scriptures translated by the Guru and distributed free. The practice continued till the death of Mahesh Yogi in 2008, said Pathak.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RSA Animate - Smile Or Die another angle
This book recommendation just appeared on Batgap, the poster explaining that he's an introvert and was diagnosed as ADHD. But once he took steps to ameliorate his overstimulating environment, his ADHD went away. http://www.amazon.com/Introvert-Advantage-Thrive-Extrovert-World/dp/0761123695 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RSA Animate - Smile Or Die This one just *nails* the problem with The Secret and other forms of positive thinking, not to mention the TMO's never entertain negativity and its tendency to excommunicate anyone who interjects a note of reality into its pronouncements of unreality. They're delusional. They're a form of social control. And they're dangerous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda
...he did not want to be worshipped slavishly or remembered for all eternity. He just wanted people to discover the prophet, Buddha or Christ inside themselves In the West he is certainly and never was not forgotten. He encountered two types of Americans that are familiar to us all today: Christian supremacists who denounced him as a dangerous heathen preaching false religion; and open-minded, rational, spiritual seekers, who found his message and his demeanor irresistible. [http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65347000/jpg/_65347800_swami_gett\ y.jpg] The Dalai Lama and Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, an Indian scientist and administrator who served as the 11th President of India-he was affectionately known as the People's President-, attended VivekAnanda's 150th anniversary celebrations Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam Inspirational Speech about Vivekananda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91bZzgXOmM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91bZzgXOmM Swami VivekAnanda's famous speech at Chicago on September 11, 1893 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVezAfZPTdk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVezAfZPTdk Documentary on Swami VivekAnandhttp://www.hssus.org/sv150/ http://www.hssus.org/sv150/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZgeb0OZPrY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZgeb0OZPrY Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0hRF5imzU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0hRF5imzU To know more about 150'th Birth Anniversary of Swami Vivekananda in USA, please visit http://www.hssus.org/sv150/ http://www.hssus.org/sv150/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: 150th Celebration of Vivekananda http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21045281
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda
http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ Writing about being virtually unknown and forgotten: A 3-D recreation of 1893â²s Parliament of Religions 9/11 The Awakening is about Swami Vivekananda's historic speech Sisters and Brothers of America delivered at Parliament of Religions in Chicago on September 11th, 1893. A realistic 3D Model of Swami Vivekananda with real skin shaders has been created and improvised based only on his photographs in the absence of any video reference of Vivekananda. Hollywood-animated movies like Polar Express (2004), Beowoulf (2007) have attempted realistic models for living personalities. To create smoother animation for the 3-D movie, Motion capture has been performed with an actor playing Vivekananda's role. The entire Chicago Expo has been re-created based on 1893 Chicago Archive Maps and a virtual setup of the Parliament of Religions stage with an audience of 7000 members has been built. The Empress of India ship that Vivekananda undertook during his journey to the West has also been re-created. http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-trailer-1215 http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-trailer-121\ 5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: 150th Celebration of Vivekananda http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21045281 The speech 11 September, 1893. World's First Parliament of Religions. SWAMI VIVEKANANDA: Sisters and Brothers of America: It fills my heart with joy unspeakable to rise in response to the warm and cordial welcome which you have given us. I thank you in the name of the most ancient order of monks in the world; I thank you in the name of the mother of religions; and I thank you in the name of the millions and millions of Hindu people of all classes and sects. My thanks, also, to some of the speakers on this platform who, referring to the delegates from the Orient, have told you that these men from far-off nations may well claim the honor of bearing to different lands the idea of toleration. I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites, who came to the southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation. I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings: As the different streams having there sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to thee. The present convention, which is one of the most august assemblies ever held, is in itself a vindication, a declaration to the world, of the wonderful doctrine preached in the Gita: Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to me. Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honor of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism, of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between persons wending their way to the same goal. To view the Launch Picture Gallery, please click http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-launch-pictu\ res-1200 http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-launch-pict\ ures-1200 Do I hear harmony?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda
Probably not what merudanda had in mind about hearing harmony but I love this song and want to say hi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOJlNQMzVM From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ Writing about being virtually unknown and forgotten: A 3-D recreation of 1893′s Parliament of Religions 9/11 – The Awakening is about Swami Vivekananda's historic speech Sisters and Brothers of America delivered at Parliament of Religions in Chicago on September 11th, 1893. A realistic 3D Model of Swami Vivekananda with real skin shaders has been created and improvised based only on his photographs in the absence of any video reference of Vivekananda. Hollywood-animated movies like Polar Express (2004), Beowoulf (2007) have attempted realistic models for living personalities. To create smoother animation for the 3-D movie, Motion capture has been performed with an actor playing Vivekananda's role. The entire Chicago Expo has been re-created based on 1893 Chicago Archive Maps and a virtual setup of the Parliament of Religions stage with an audience of 7000 members has been built. The Empress of India ship that Vivekananda undertook during his journey to the West has also been re-created. http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-trailer-1215 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: 150th Celebration of Vivekananda http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21045281 The speech 11 September, 1893. World's First Parliament of Religions. SWAMI VIVEKANANDA: Sisters and Brothers of America: It fills my heart with joy unspeakable to rise in response to the warm and cordial welcome which you have given us. I thank you in the name of the most ancient order of monks in the world; I thank you in the name of the mother of religions; and I thank you in the name of the millions and millions of Hindu people of all classes and sects. My thanks, also, to some of the speakers on this platform who, referring to the delegates from the Orient, have told you that these men from far-off nations may well claim the honor of bearing to different lands the idea of toleration. I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites, who came to the southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation. I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings: As the different streams having there sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to thee. The present convention, which is one of the most august assemblies ever held, is in itself a vindication, a declaration to the world, of the wonderful doctrine preached in the Gita: Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to me. Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honor of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism, of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between persons wending their way to the same goal. To view the Launch Picture Gallery, please click http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-launch-pictures-1200 Do I hear harmony?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda
lol Harmony and me We're pretty good company Looking for an island In our boat upon the sea Hello, baby hello Open up your heart and let your feelings flow You're not unlucky knowing me Keeping the speed real slow Hello, I said hello Is this the only place you thought to go: FFL or http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ And dream of the never, never, never leaving harmony By stealing the show, say hello, hello https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-szl-Ep_c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-szl-Ep_c sorry it 1:50 in the night and Saturday bye --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Probably not what merudanda had in mind about hearing harmony but I love this song and want to say hi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOJlNQMzVM From: merudanda To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda  http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ Writing about being virtually unknown and forgotten: A 3-D recreation of 1893ââ¬Â²s Parliament of Religions 9/11 â The Awakening is about Swami Vivekananda's historic speech Sisters and Brothers of America delivered at Parliament of Religions in Chicago on September 11th, 1893. A realistic 3D Model of Swami Vivekananda with real skin shaders has been created and improvised based only on his photographs in the absence of any video reference of Vivekananda. Hollywood-animated movies like Polar Express (2004), Beowoulf (2007) have attempted realistic models for living personalities. To create smoother animation for the 3-D movie, Motion capture has been performed with an actor playing Vivekananda's role. The entire Chicago Expo has been re-created based on 1893 Chicago Archive Maps and a virtual setup of the Parliament of Religions stage with an audience of 7000 members has been built. The Empress of India ship that Vivekananda undertook during his journey to the West has also been re-created. http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/page/911-awakening-3d-movie-trailer-1215\  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: 150th Celebration of Vivekananda http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21045281 The speech 11 September, 1893. World's First Parliament of Religions. SWAMI VIVEKANANDA: Sisters and Brothers of America: It fills my heart with joy unspeakable to rise in response to the warm and cordial welcome which you have given us. I thank you in the name of the most ancient order of monks in the world; I thank you in the name of the mother of religions; and I thank you in the name of the millions and millions of Hindu people of all classes and sects. My thanks, also, to some of the speakers on this platform who, referring to the delegates from the Orient, have told you that these men from far-off nations may well claim the honor of bearing to different lands the idea of toleration. I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites, who came to the southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation. I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings:    As the different streams having there sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to thee. The present convention, which is one of the most august assemblies ever held, is in itself a vindication, a declaration to the world, of the wonderful doctrine preached in the Gita: Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to me. Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honor of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism, of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20+ trillion debt when Obama leaves office!
On 01/18/2013 04:55 AM, seekliberation wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: No, cutting benefits is not the way to solve the problem. To get the economy to a point where we can deal with the debt, we need to increase demand, and that will only happen if people have money to spend on goods and services. Taking austerity measures is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. When I said 'benefits' I should've said 'spending' instead. Benefits like Medicare and Social Security, of course they shouldn't be cut. But at the same time, they're not really benefits, they're entitlements. We pay into it, and therefore we're entitled to it. However, I will say that your idea that 'taking austere measures' is uncalled for indicates you have a positive outlook on the American economy and are convinced that there is an easy way out of this mess. I hope you're right, but I don't think so. No, there's no reason why we have to have a third-world economy. No reason at all? That, to me, sounds like typical American optimism. We will never have to endure through the hardships that other people and other nations go through, because we are above those hardships. But irresponsible spending, fiscal policies, and unnecessary wars could very easily lead to a collapsed economy. For some odd reason people think we're above what the Soviet Union experienced in the early 90's. The basis of thinking that way eludes me to this day. It's no different than some of my family members and friends who used to look down on people who live in trailer parks or lower income housing. They think they are so far above everyone else's lower standards of living. Now they are living that way due to poor personal and financial decisions throughout their lives. No different than us as a nation and our sense of being above the challenges that face most countries. Dmitri Orlov, who immigrated to the US after the collapse of the Soviet Union, lectures quite frequently about the difference between that collapse and the coming collapse of the US. Here is a link to his blog and to an interview he did late last year on the subject. He makes some excellent points. http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/01/interview-on-business-matters.html American prosperity has been credit based and now we can't pay the bill. The party's over unless the US takes over and rules the world. Is that the plan?
[FairfieldLife] Reverse Psychology?
According to the headlines the gun ban talk has had unintended consequences. Gun sales are way up, so much so that stores are running out of stock. Or maybe that was the intention? Good time to be a gun shop owner.
[FairfieldLife] America Should Declare Bankruptcy
That's what an expert opined. However, he fails to mention that most of the national debt are owned by Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund and States' Funds invested in government bonds. In effect, this idea is suicidal for the US financial institutions and the Americans themselves. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/america-declare-bankruptcy-doug-casey-124119100.html
[FairfieldLife] YF and vaata?
So, vâta-doSa consists(?) of aakaasha (ether) and vâyu (air). How likely is it that Yogic Flying aggravates vâta? BTW, pray tell, what is the somewhat sticky and slightly sweet tasting stuff appearing in ones mouth during siddhis?
[FairfieldLife] The Great Austerity Swindle
Congresspeople, corporate CEOs, tea partiers, most economists, *Peter George Peterson's minions and even our President, tell us: 1. We're running out of money. 2. We can't keep running huge deficits, and increasing our national debt forever. 3. Eventually, our creditors will just cease lending us our dollars back. 4. Government can only raise money by either taxing or borrowing. 5. We can't tax the job creators very much or they'll go on strike and won't create any jobs because we'll have killed their incentive. 6. We have to reduce our borrowing. 7. We can have hardly any tax increases on the job creators. 8. We have to lower taxes on the job creators even more. 9. Raise taxes on the unproductive 47% or is it 99%? 10. Cut spending on programs that provide benefits for the poor, the middle class, and the 99%. 11. We have to live within our means, and remove the burden of excessive public debt on our grandchildren. All these reasons for austerity are bogus and here's why: 1. The job creators aren't making any jobs. That's a fact! They give all kinds of excuses, but the truth is that they have no sales, [because there is no *demand* because people don't have money and jobs] so the job creators have no incentive to create any more jobs. 2. If we lower the job creator's taxes, the more money they have sitting idle, which they will invest in financial manipulation schemes rather than jobs. 3. Taxing the rich at extremely high rates on net profits and provides them an incentive to lower their net profits by spending more of their gross profits on tax-deductible business expenses like employees and business expansion. 4. High taxes on the rich will do more to create jobs than lower taxes. 5. We had far lower unemployment rates when marginal tax rates were sky-high, than we have now when taxes are a pittance on the wealthy. 6. Congress can always reorganize the Federal Reserve so that the regional Fed Banks are nationalized and both they and the Board of Governors are placed under the authority of the Secretary of the Treasury, so that the Secretary is empowered to create reserves out of thin air to fill the Treasury's spending account, and keep it filled with sufficient funds to repay the national debt and cover the deficit without borrowing. 7. Congress has the Constitutional authority to do this and keep us debt free and then we would not have to make spending cuts or tax increases at all. 8. To pay off the national debt and cover the deficits for years to come; it isn't even necessary for Congress to reorganize the Fed. 9. The Treasury can use the Fed to create money in Treasury's account from seigniorage. 10. All that's necessary is for the President to mint a High Value Platinum Coin (HVPC) with a face value of $60 Trillion dollars, deposit it at the Fed, and then begin to pay off the national debt and implement deficit spending using the electronic credits created in the process of seigniorage. 11. It is a myth that the Federal Government can only get money for spending from taxing or borrowing. 12. Congress can modify the laws, as just described, so Treasury can generate US money out of thin air, just as the Fed does today, that Treasury can use to pay down the debt and cover deficit spending. 13. Printing money will not cause inflation because reserves issued unaccompanied by debt are no more inflationary than reserves issued along with debt. If you legislate the ability for Treasury to do this, then you won't have to worry about the deficit and debt or our grand children anymore; and we won't have to worry about cutting the social safety net and other necessary programs anymore. All the reasons in The Great Austerity Swindle for wanting to reduce the deficit and impose austerity on the 99% are bogus. The Simpson-Bowles Cat Food debt commissions, the debt ceiling crises, the fiscal cliff, the sequestration, the continuing resolution, budgetary crises, and the constant propaganda campaign directed at us is a grand shock doctrine process attempting to swindle us out of a government that works for 99% of us rather than the 1%. We know that the Grand Bargain is the Great Betrayal! And we won't have it! Read the article without RD's edits here: http://www.correntewire.com/the_great_austerity_swindle * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson
[FairfieldLife] Some killers in the US of A?
Deaths per year: Cars: about 44 000? Aspirin: about 20 000? Guns: about 12 000?
[FairfieldLife] Warp Drive Is Possible
A NASA scientist believes this can be done in the near future. If that is possible, humans can very easily go to other exoplanets for colonization. However, IMO, if you look at the theory behind this idea, it's somehat similar to Yogic Flying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZt1Yh4-1Ulist=HL1358538161
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda
Thanks luvgemlight, this is wonderful. I've also heard Maharishi call ni the
continuation of negation. Which in the circumstances is kind of a paradox.
Which I love.
From: luvgemlight m8r-mp8...@mailinator.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Light therapy with gems in Maharishi Ayurveda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, luvgemlight wrote:
Having received regular Maharishi Light Therapy with Gem treatments here in
southern california ( http://www.socalgemlight.com/ ) either twice or four
times each month since my first treatment last march in 2012, I can safely
say that, yes, it is a powerful treatment modality for improving
consciousness and creativity, and the light beamers are laser penlights
-- thus, the light passing through these gems is very coherent (unlike
ambient lighting from any other source). I've had a ritam experience, one
time, plus some kundalini awakening later on after that particular
treatment. Also, I'm the last person to notice that I'm transcending during
the treatments. I usually have to infer this from the fact that my
experience of myself is so naturally transparent that I don't realize that
this transparency is truly my Self. These gemlight treatments are very
empowering to the mind, so that care and consideration given to one's
thoughts, speech, and action
is a very good idea since they can materialize.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote:
On tonight's (MON Feb 2nd) Global Family Chat on the Maharishi
Channel, they talked about the new light/gem therapy in Maharishi
Ayurveda (the first line of Rig Veda says that agni/fire is the
source of gems,
Well, the compound word is
ratnadhaatama: (ratna-dhaa + superlative suffix -tama?)
ratnadhA [ = ratnadhaa] mfn. procuring wealth , distributing
riches or precious things (%{-tama} mfn. distñdistributing great riches) RV.
AV. S3Br. ; possessing wealth RV.
According to Macdonell's comment:
...'ratna' never means /jewel/ in the Rgveda. :/
agnim iiLe purohitaM
yajñasya devam RtvijaM
hotaaraM ratnadhaatamam.
If the cornucopia of wealth comes from agni, then possibly agni is more than
merely 'fire'? Consider this interpretation
From the 1974 MIU Course Catalog, Maharishi explains 'agnim' phoneme by
phoneme as it accumulates meaning sequentially from the first sound...
a = fullness.
g = puts a stop to fullness.
n = negates the stop of fullness.
i = progresses this negation of fullness' stop.
m = maintains this whole thing, on and on and on, like a continuous hum.
Now, let's apply this sequential rendering as a five-step template of sorts
straight from the TM technique...
a = least action is achieved: the field of the transcendent (even the sage,
Milarepa, discerns the fullness of the transcendental field as the field of
least action).
g = through alternation between: alternating phases are preceded by a stop to
the previous phase before starting the next phase.
n = rest (the negation of the relative's natural state of continuous activity)
i = and activity (activity always breeds progressive growth)
m = maintained as a daily/etc routine (how else can anything be maintained,
but as a sequence of cyclic phases?)
Sum total -
Least action is achieved through alternation between rest and activity
maintained in regular cycles.
So, TM (yogic union with agni) achieves wealth (samadhi/agni) through agni (the
five-step template described above). Kind of like saying: the course of life is
from here to here through here as well.
But of course, we already know that Maharishi uses the term 'TM' since
westerners have a strange predilection for believing that yoga means merely
postures. So, he couldn't use the more obvious term of 'yoga'. Yet, yogasta
kuru karmani = established in Being, perform action, one of the two mottos
of this movement (the other is, nistraigunyo bhavarjun = transcend) really
means established in yoga, doesn't it? Kind of gives away what TM is all
about.yoga.
gems are described in the Vedas as the Radiance of
God -- Charaka Samhita says gems are second in treatment value only
to mantras, and gems are ahead of herbal treatments). They use some
sort of light (frequency depends on the gem involved, amethyst,
emerald, etc -- seven types of gems used all told) in a flashlight-
type device which shines light through 12 gems set in gold. The light
is flashed on the palm of the hand (some of the photos in newspaper
articles show people getting the light beam on the forehead even
though the Raj people only talked about palm application), and people
are reporting good experiences (some expansion of consciousness,
healing of injured area, etc) in the 300
[FairfieldLife] Here's one for the American Downton Abbey fans...
...who are just now getting to see the episodes we in Europe have already seen and are so over already. It's what the latest episode of DA would look like if it were broadcast on Facebook. :-) http://www.happyplace.com/20538/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-2 Sounds a lot like FFL, doesn't it? I mean, without the nobility and all...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Warp Drive Is Possible
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Warp Drive Is Possible A NASA scientist believes this can be done in the near future. If that is possible, humans can very easily go to other exoplanets for colonization. However, IMO, if you look at the theory behind this idea, it's somehat similar to Yogic Flying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZt1Yh4-1U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZt1Yh4-1Ulist=HL1358538161 list=HL1358538161 Also, we haven't done such a great job colonizing this planet. Maybe we should get our act together here before inflicting ourselves on other planets.
[FairfieldLife] Coolest shipwreck photo ever
A sunken Brazilian yacht off the coast of Antartica: Many others here: http://gizmodo.com/5977009/30-beautifully-haunting-shipwrecks-from-aroun\ d-the-world http://gizmodo.com/5977009/30-beautifully-haunting-shipwrecks-from-arou\ nd-the-world
Re: [FairfieldLife] YF and vaata?
I asked an ayurvedic MD about this once and he said that YF balances all three doshas. In light of my own experience I'd say that depends upon the quality of one's YF, how unstrained it is. I sometimes have a sweet smell. In either case maybe ojas increasing. Interesting chart about the killers: cars, aspirin and guns. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] YF and vaata? So, vâta-doSa consists(?) of aakaasha (ether) and vâyu (air). How likely is it that Yogic Flying aggravates vâta? BTW, pray tell, what is the somewhat sticky and slightly sweet tasting stuff appearing in ones mouth during siddhis?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Coolest shipwreck photo ever
On 01/18/2013 01:37 PM, turquoiseb wrote: A sunken Brazilian yacht off the coast of Antartica: Many others here: http://gizmodo.com/5977009/30-beautifully-haunting-shipwrecks-from-aroun\ d-the-world http://gizmodo.com/5977009/30-beautifully-haunting-shipwrecks-from-arou\ nd-the-world I looked through all the second pictures and even comments where folks posted some more and was surprised the wreck at our local waterfront park wasn't there. It's more striking than some of the other ones shown. I'll have to find one of my pictures of it and post it here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL to Emptybill
Share Here is the wonder-working icon for which the monastery was named. I carried Her (with another monk) in an ice storm for about 15 blocks. Our destiny with the church was mirrored in how long and how closely we held Her icon I learned the technique from Milarepa's teacher, Marpa Lotsawa, who explained how to interprete physical events as they mirrored spiritual realities ... i.e. those not happening yet. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rusicon.com/images/tihvi\ nskaya.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.rusicon.com/tihvinskaya-e.htmusg=__8sKc\ XGAV65FD-Ala52V0J5yPwk4=h=450w=334sz=130hl=enstart=28zoom=1tbnid=\ QmDmXauLDkUA8M:tbnh=127tbnw=94ei=Ee75UNmnGIaj2QWKzoCgBQprev=/search%\ 3Fq%3Dour%2Blady%2Bof%2Btikhvin%2Bicon%26start%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2\ 6sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADRA_enUS415US417%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Dischum=1itbs=1 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lostart.ru/upload/image/\ restore/Tihwinskay1.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.lostart.ru/en/restore/usg=\ __tVOyUcKQXWmYtIt69A2J73Eepck=h=300w=194sz=18hl=enstart=19zoom=1t\ bnid=65riNrLt0c9rjM:tbnh=116tbnw=75ei=BO75UJDSH-er2AWRwYDACQprev=/se\ arch%3Fq%3Dour%2Blady%2Bof%2Btikhvin%2Bicon%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%\ 26rlz%3D1T4ADRA_enUS415US417%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Dischum=1itbs=1 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thank you for telling us about this Emptybill. What I'm wishing for you now is both the deep silence of the monastic life along with the varied richness of non monastic life. And lots of opera and laughter too (-: PS I almost became a nun. But then I went to college and learned about the Inquisition. And I was cured of Catholicism and all aspects of it. From: emptybill To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL to Emptybill  Share, I was a monastic postulant in a Russian Orthodox skete, which is a small monastic group. It was under the watch of the Orthodox Church in America, meaning that everything was done in English. It was a revealing look at original Christianity without the sin-guilt-redemption concepts of Western, Augustinian Catholic-Protestant teachings. It cured me of my Christianity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: No but I did have some spicy tandoori chicken at India Cafe yesterday (-:à Thank you Emptybill and are you a monk?à Where did I read that?à An opera loving monk. I wish I could love opera and marry an opera loving monk.à Am doing art of neutrality on opera.à Will bet back to you on that. From: emptybill To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL à Unabated mugging as usual. Just goes to show that vasana-s can't be tricked by braggadocio nor by lightly disguised aggression. So ... channeling a rakshasa again? Yep, them ol' sanskara-s just won't stop poppin' off. Must be the old carnivore instinct. You eatin' at McDonald's again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Ditto this - dear Share, a really clueless, crazy post and..You and I never began anew, and even if we had, this post of yours would have put us right back where we were. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM, authfriend wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: During my Christmas vacation I realized that if I'm lucky, I have about 30 more years on this planet. I intend to use that time as juicily and joyfully as possible, and hopefully at the exact same time add to or at least support the enjoyment of others. As part of this, and perhaps some of you have noticed, I've decided to not reply to certain kinds of posts to me. I have felt so much better since beginning to do this. And FFL has seemed more fun too. As far as I'm concerned the new year is the time to begin anew and to drop conflicts from the past year. I'm so grateful because it seems that Judy and Ravi and I have begun anew. Sorry to disappoint, toots. You and I never began anew, and even if we had, this post of yours would have put us right back where we were. You're not the least bit interested in dropping conflicts from the past year. Rather, you're intent on keeping them going. If you don't understand why I say that, show your post to your pastoral counselor. Maybe she will have the patience to explain it to you. I don't. Love and hugs indeed. Dig yourself, Share. Maybe Raunchy and I a little bit too. I hope so. But Ann and Emily have continued at just about every opportunity to snipe nastily at me. They continue to have a confrontational tone towards me, even
[FairfieldLife] Aminals
There are three jaguars nearby, one wrapped in bas relief around the (long empty) Meukow vanilla cognac bottle, somewhat in front of me, and the other parked in the driveway. Another live one, their second, resides at the Happy Hollow Zoo, about four miles away, as the crow flies. I photographed raccoon footprints walking across the deck from last night. Haven't seen a hummingbird in the yard in a week must've gone further south. `Sylvester', my favorite feral cat, will only rest in the gazebo on cushions that smell like me. We have an understanding. A very independent feline long haired, all black, with watchful yellow eyes very strong, quick, and smart. Last but not least, beating the system for questionable goals: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/story-man-outsourced-china-could-135701981.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before Maharishi, before Yogananda, Vivekananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: http://www.vivekanandahouse.org/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21045281 The speech 11 September, 1893. World's First Parliament of Religions. SWAMI VIVEKANANDA: Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honor of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism, of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between persons wending their way to the same goal. Do I hear harmony? Might take more than ringing a bell. Yep, Damned fanatics anyway. It's true we need to do something about the anti-science, meditation-hating counter-revolutionaries even here on FFL. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 12 00:00:00 2013 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 19 00:00:00 2013 669 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 18 22:38:06 2013 50 doctordumb...@rocketmail.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. 49 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 48 Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 43 Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 41 Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 40 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 37 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 36 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 33 seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com 32 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 30 authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com 24 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 20 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 19 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us 18 card cardemais...@yahoo.com 15 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 15 Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com 13 Carol jchwe...@gmail.com 11 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 9 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 8 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 7 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 7 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 7 John jr_...@yahoo.com 6 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 6 emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 5 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 3 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 3 laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 wle...@aol.com 3 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 2 sri...@ymail.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. 2 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 mjackson74 mjackso...@yahoo.com 2 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com 2 luvgemlight m8r-mp8...@mailinator.com 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Richard rich...@infinitepie.net 1 L BS l_b_shri...@yahoo.com 1 Daniel Iepure daniel_iep...@yahoo.com 1 martin.quickman martin.quick...@yahoo.co.uk 1 kc...@epix.net kc...@epix.net 1 at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net Posters: 45 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 12 00:00:00 2013 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 19 00:00:00 2013 669 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 18 22:38:06 2013 50 doctordumb...@rocketmail.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. 49 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 48 Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 43 Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 41 Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 40 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 37 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 36 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 33 seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com 32 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 30 authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com 24 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 20 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 19 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us 18 card cardemais...@yahoo.com 15 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 15 Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com 13 Carol jchwe...@gmail.com 11 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 9 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 8 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 7 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 7 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 7 John jr_...@yahoo.com 6 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 6 emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 5 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 3 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 3 laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 wle...@aol.com 3 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 2 sri...@ymail.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. 2 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 mjackson74 mjackso...@yahoo.com 2 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 2 mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com 2 luvgemlight m8r-mp8...@mailinator.com 2 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Richard rich...@infinitepie.net 1 L BS l_b_shri...@yahoo.com 1 Daniel Iepure daniel_iep...@yahoo.com 1 martin.quickman martin.quick...@yahoo.co.uk 1 kc...@epix.net kc...@epix.net 1 at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net Posters: 45 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Great Lines
Maybe this is true and maybe it's not. But either way it makes for a good story: A crowded United Airlines flight was canceled. A single agent was re-booking a long line of inconvenienced travelers. Suddenly, an angry passenger pushed his way to the desk. He slapped his ticket on the counter and said, I HAVE to be on this flight and it has to be FIRST CLASS. The agent replied, I'm sorry, sir. I'll be happy to try to help you, but I've got to help these folks first; and then I'm sure we'll be able to work something out. The passenger was unimpressed. He asked loudly, so that the passengers behind him could hear, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO I AM? Without hesitating, the agent smiled and grabbed her public address microphone. May I have your attention, please?, she began, her voice heard clearly throughout the terminal. We have a passenger here at Gate 14 WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHO HE IS. If anyone can help him with his identity, please come to Gate 14. With the folks behind him in line laughing hysterically, the man glared at the United Airlines agent, gritted his teeth, and said, F*** You! Without flinching, she smiled and said, I'm sorry sir, you'll have to get in line for that, too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL to Emptybill
Emptybill, you carried close to your body She who carried in Her body God's Son, the two of them as if creating a cocoon around two monks trundling along in an ice storm, burdened and unburdened at the same time. But Bill how to unravel physical events from spiritual realities? They seem to dance ever more closely together. That is both the blessing and the crazy making of being human I think. From: emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL to Emptybill Share Here is the wonder-working icon for which the monastery was named. I carried Her (with another monk) in an ice storm for about 15 blocks. Our destiny with the church was mirrored in how long and how closely we held Her icon I learned the technique from Milarepa's teacher, Marpa Lotsawa, who explained how to interprete physical events as they mirrored spiritual realities ... i.e. those not happening yet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thank you for telling us about this Emptybill. What I'm wishing for you now is both the deep silence of the monastic life along with the varied richness of non monastic life. And lots of opera and laughter too (-: PS I almost became a nun. But then I went to college and learned about the Inquisition. And I was cured of Catholicism and all aspects of it. From: emptybill To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL to Emptybill  Share, I was a monastic postulant in a Russian Orthodox skete, which is a small monastic group. It was under the watch of the Orthodox Church in America, meaning that everything was done in English. It was a revealing look at original Christianity without the sin-guilt-redemption concepts of Western, Augustinian Catholic-Protestant teachings. It cured me of my Christianity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: No but I did have some spicy tandoori chicken at India Cafe yesterday (-: Thank you Emptybill and are you a monk? Where did I read that? An opera loving monk. I wish I could love opera and marry an opera loving monk. Am doing art of neutrality on opera. Will bet back to you on that. From: emptybill To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: dear everyone on FFL  Unabated mugging as usual. Just goes to show that vasana-s can't be tricked by braggadocio nor by lightly disguised aggression. So ... channeling a rakshasa again? Yep, them ol' sanskara-s just won't stop poppin' off. Must be the old carnivore instinct. You eatin' at McDonald's again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Ditto this - dear Share, a really clueless, crazy post and..You and I never began anew, and even if we had, this post of yours would have put us right back where we were. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM, authfriend wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: During my Christmas vacation I realized that if I'm lucky, I have about 30 more years on this planet. I intend to use that time as juicily and joyfully as possible, and hopefully at the exact same time add to or at least support the enjoyment of others. As part of this, and perhaps some of you have noticed, I've decided to not reply to certain kinds of posts to me. I have felt so much better since beginning to do this. And FFL has seemed more fun too. As far as I'm concerned the new year is the time to begin anew and to drop conflicts from the past year. I'm so grateful because it seems that Judy and Ravi and I have begun anew. Sorry to disappoint, toots. You and I never began anew, and even if we had, this post of yours would have put us right back where we were. You're not the least bit interested in dropping conflicts from the past year. Rather, you're intent on keeping them going. If you don't understand why I say that, show your post to your pastoral counselor. Maybe she will have the patience to explain it to you. I don't. Love and hugs indeed. Dig yourself, Share. Maybe Raunchy and I a little bit too. I hope so. But Ann and Emily have continued at just about every opportunity to snipe nastily at me. They continue to have a confrontational tone towards me, even on the most mundane of topics. Weird! Plus they ignore it when I do post a positive reply to them. You would think that Ann with her full life and Emily with her running out of
[FairfieldLife] Today's my birthday
Please don't feel shy and pass along your wishes. I celebrated at 12:00 AM India time with my family. Love, Ravi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Today's my birthday
dear Ravi, what I wish for you, and for all your family too, is the happiness and peace I saw in you when you were in the picture next to your Grandmother. Have a sweet, full day and year and life (-: From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Today's my birthday Please don't feel shy and pass along your wishes. I celebrated at 12:00 AM India time with my family. Love, Ravi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Today's my birthday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Please don't feel shy and pass along your wishes. I celebrated at 12:00 AM India time with my family. Love, Ravi Happy Birthday, Ravi. Party on! http://youtu.be/r_arxeY8vEM
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi at Lake Louise 1968
This is my all-time favorite TM intro. Does anyone know of any other videos of Maharishi walking and talking? http://youtu.be/RK1kbJiisLk
[FairfieldLife] Re: the most scary article you will read today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Buck, I don't think the forces that are destroying us are forces outside of us. It may seem that way but that is perhaps the most dangerous illusion and or delusion of all. We are all three: victim, perp and rescuer too. So we need a different kind of revolution IMHO. Yes, The Revolutionary Power of the Collective Modern unified field theory supports the perennial philosophy of all major cultural traditions that there exists a transcendental field at the most fundamental level of natural law, which can be directly accessed as the silent transcendental level of the human mind. Hundreds of studies have shown that experience of transcendental consciousness breaks the chain of conditioned reflexes coming on from past behavior, as seen in reduced addictive behaviors of all kinds, decreased prison recidivism, and reduced behavioral problems in inner-city children. Are we as nations to go on like rats trapped in a conditioning cage, reacting the same way decade after decade? Or shall we step out of the cage into the transcendental level of our own consciousness and grow up into enlightened human beings, rather than continuing to resort to destroying and killing? This is the choice we have right now. -Buck in the Dome The perennial philosophy holds that although various spiritual and philosophical traditions appear different on the surface, at their core all traditions share common, universal principles. Q: What are these universal principles? So, everyone should come to meditation. Must. -Buck The most daunting existential struggle of our time is to ingest this awful truth intellectually and emotionally and continue to resist the forces that are destroying us. Is resistance enough? Revolution? -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Yep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: from Truthdig.com I like Chris Hedges. He is such a doomsday merchant. The Myth of Human Progress Posted on Jan 13, 2013 By Chris Hedges Clive Hamilton in his ââ¬ÅRequiem for a Species: Why We Resist the Truth About Climate Changeââ¬ï¿½ describes a dark relief that comes from accepting that ââ¬Åcatastrophic climate change is virtually certain.ââ¬ï¿½ This obliteration of ââ¬Åfalse hopes,ââ¬ï¿½ he says, requires an intellectual knowledge and an emotional knowledge. The first is attainable. The second, because it means that those we love, including our children, are almost certainly doomed to insecurity, misery and suffering within a few decades, if not a few years, is much harder to acquire. To emotionally accept impending disaster, to attain the gut-level understanding that the power elite will not respond rationally to the devastation of the ecosystem, is as difficult to accept as our own mortality. The most daunting existential struggle of our time is to ingest this awful truthââ¬intellectually and emotionallyââ¬and continue to resist the forces that are destroying us. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_myth_of_human_progress_20130113/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the most scary article you will read today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Buck, I don't think the forces that are destroying us are forces outside of us. It may seem that way but that is perhaps the most dangerous illusion and or delusion of all. We are all three: victim, perp and rescuer too. So we need a different kind of revolution IMHO. Yes, The Revolutionary Power of the Collective Modern unified field theory supports the perennial philosophy of all major cultural traditions that there exists a transcendental field at the most fundamental level of natural law, which can be directly accessed as the silent transcendental level of the human mind. Hundreds of studies have shown that experience of transcendental consciousness breaks the chain of conditioned reflexes coming on from past behavior, as seen in reduced addictive behaviors of all kinds, decreased prison recidivism, and reduced behavioral problems in inner-city children. Are we as nations to go on like rats trapped in a conditioning cage, reacting the same way decade after decade? Or shall we step out of the cage into the transcendental level of our own consciousness and grow up into enlightened human beings, rather than continuing to resort to destroying and killing? This is the choice we have right now. -Buck in the Dome The perennial philosophy holds that although various spiritual and philosophical traditions appear different on the surface, at their core all traditions share common, universal principles. Q: What are these universal principles? Dr. Pearson: The perennial philosophy has three basic tenets: (1) Underlying the diversity of the world is a field of unity. (2) We can subjectively experience this field of unity deep within us. (3) The purpose of life is ultimately to experience and live this inner, divine reality of life. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?act=replymessageNum=332885 So, everyone should come to meditation. Must. -Buck The most daunting existential struggle of our time is to ingest this awful truth intellectually and emotionally and continue to resist the forces that are destroying us. Is resistance enough? Revolution! -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: Yep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: from Truthdig.com I like Chris Hedges. He is such a doomsday merchant. The Myth of Human Progress Posted on Jan 13, 2013 By Chris Hedges Clive Hamilton in his ââ¬ÅRequiem for a Species: Why We Resist the Truth About Climate Changeââ¬ï¿½ describes a dark relief that comes from accepting that ââ¬Åcatastrophic climate change is virtually certain.ââ¬ï¿½ This obliteration of ââ¬Åfalse hopes,ââ¬ï¿½ he says, requires an intellectual knowledge and an emotional knowledge. The first is attainable. The second, because it means that those we love, including our children, are almost certainly doomed to insecurity, misery and suffering within a few decades, if not a few years, is much harder to acquire. To emotionally accept impending disaster, to attain the gut-level understanding that the power elite will not respond rationally to the devastation of the ecosystem, is as difficult to accept as our own mortality. The most daunting existential struggle of our time is to ingest this awful truthââ¬intellectually and emotionallyââ¬and continue to resist the forces that are destroying us. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_myth_of_human_progress_20130113/
