Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
[FairfieldLife] Reality, virtual
I love these things -- interactive ad panels that present a more interesting reality than reality... http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/23/incredible-bus-stop-ad_n_5017194.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
I guess I should comment, since I've been more vocal than usual about the latest TMO travesty. :-) 1. I'm pretty surprised that a reporter would not object to being presented only four older pandits as potential interviewees. They were obviously cherry-picked by the MUM administration. Any real reporter would have said this explicitly in their article and demanded to be able to pick a few others at random. She obviously had Hindu interpreters there to allow her to do this. Why didn't she do it? 2. As others have noted, the pandit compound resembles a concentration camp more than anything else. 3. I was sorely disappointed that the reporter was so pussywhipped by the TMO spin machine that she either never heard of the paid yagyas or, if she did, didn't think they were worth mentioning. She *did* get that the pandits are really paid only $50, the rest of their nominal $200 being supposedly held in trust for their parents, but she didn't seem to get the enormous PROFIT that the TM movement is making off of these indentured servants' labor. They get paid 63 cents an hour for services that the TMO is charging thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. The reporter seemed to have been snookered into believing that the only thing they were chanting for was world peace, not to cure the boil on some rich TMer's ass. Throughout the entire article, the reporter parroted the party line told to her by the MUM shills, and even quoted one source as believing that no one is getting rich from this program, when that simply isn't true. Any time you can charge gullible cult followers tens of thousands of dollars to chant a yagya while paying them 63 cents an hour, somebody's getting rich. 4. I was also disappointed that the reporter wound up parroting what she was told about the whole program being run on donated funds when the organization running it has assets in excess of a billion dollars. Again, a real reporter would have done a little pre-research and then asked, WHY are you asking for 'donations' to run this program if 1) it's so important to the world and 2) you already have more than enough money to fund it yourselves? 5. I think it's good that she focused on the human rights violation issues, and the living conditions the pandits live and work under, but I don't think she went far enough in her bottom line closer. All in all, a first step. It's good that someone is taking notice, but next time they need to send in a real reporter... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits http://www.desmoinesregister.com/comments/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu Main article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
why do you assume she is a Christian? How do you know she isn't a Buddhist? or an agnostic? When people find out about the seamy underbelly of the TMO they object to their kids being exposed to it on the basis of decency and common sense - what parent would deliberately want their children influenced by the likes of the leaders of the TMO and an organization that lionizes the likes of Russell Brand? On Mon, 3/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:30 AM I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds.-Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attemptto sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjacksonis apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free..
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
From what I understand they sent her in because she was born and raised in India and speaks Hindi herself. But I agree with you, it wasn't much of an investigative piece at all On Mon, 3/24/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 10:38 AM I guess I should comment, since I've been more vocal than usual about the latest TMO travesty. :-) 1. I'm pretty surprised that a reporter would not object to being presented only four older pandits as potential interviewees. They were obviously cherry-picked by the MUM administration. Any real reporter would have said this explicitly in their article and demanded to be able to pick a few others at random. She obviously had Hindu interpreters there to allow her to do this. Why didn't she do it? 2. As others have noted, the pandit compound resembles a concentration camp more than anything else. 3. I was sorely disappointed that the reporter was so pussywhipped by the TMO spin machine that she either never heard of the paid yagyas or, if she did, didn't think they were worth mentioning. She *did* get that the pandits are really paid only $50, the rest of their nominal $200 being supposedly held in trust for their parents, but she didn't seem to get the enormous PROFIT that the TM movement is making off of these indentured servants' labor. They get paid 63 cents an hour for services that the TMO is charging thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. The reporter seemed to have been snookered into believing that the only thing they were chanting for was world peace, not to cure the boil on some rich TMer's ass. Throughout the entire article, the reporter parroted the party line told to her by the MUM shills, and even quoted one source as believing that no one is getting rich from this program, when that simply isn't true. Any time you can charge gullible cult followers tens of thousands of dollars to chant a yagya while paying them 63 cents an hour, somebody's getting rich. 4. I was also disappointed that the reporter wound up parroting what she was told about the whole program being run on donated funds when the organization running it has assets in excess of a billion dollars. Again, a real reporter would have done a little pre-research and then asked, WHY are you asking for 'donations' to run this program if 1) it's so important to the world and 2) you already have more than enough money to fund it yourselves? 5. I think it's good that she focused on the human rights violation issues, and the living conditions the pandits live and work under, but I don't think she went far enough in her bottom line closer. All in all, a first step. It's good that someone is taking notice, but next time they need to send in a real reporter... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits http://www.desmoinesregister.com/comments/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-BasuMain article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Old history of evangelical christians hating on meditation. Going back with TM even to Berkeley, California 1960's days and their inception of the NJ. Court case back then. This methodical assault on science and schools by a small group of small-minded people smells of christian rats. Prove to me my nose is wrong. I bet you can't. =Buck mjackson74 writes: why do you assume she is a Christian? I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds. -Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
This is just cult hysteria and misdirection on Buck's part. Thomas Jefferson *was* a Christian, and he objected to *any* form of religious practice being added to the school systems of America because that violated the Constitution of the United States. Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. :-) It didn't...it referred to a group of Christians who were trying to sneak their practices into a school system, just as the TMO is. I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. I am very much not a Christian, but I would object similarly to any form of religion-based meditation being offered in public schools in America for the same reason -- it violates the Constitution. And there is simply no question that TM (as it is currently taught) is based in religion -- the mantras are the names (or nicknames, for the nitpickers) of Hindu gods, and Hindu gods and teachers are chanted to and bowed down to during the puja, without which *TM cannot be taught*. For similar reasons I would opposed any form of Buddhist meditation (including mindfulness) being taught in American public schools *if it included and demanded traditional Buddhist rituals as part of the teaching process*. If a technique can be *totally* divorced from its religious background, such that no invocation of or mention of the religious trappings are ever needed to learn and practice the technique, then I'd see no problem with such a technique being taught in schools. But TM does NOT fit that criterion. Never has, never will. This was decided in the courts w.r.t. TM decades ago. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools why do you assume she is a Christian? How do you know she isn't a Buddhist? or an agnostic? When people find out about the seamy underbelly of the TMO they object to their kids being exposed to it on the basis of decency and common sense - what parent would deliberately want their children influenced by the likes of the leaders of the TMO and an organization that lionizes the likes of Russell Brand? On Mon, 3/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:30 AM I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds.-Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attemptto sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjacksonis apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
turq, I do think that some of the people are simply genuinely enthused about their situation and thus sharing about it. Others I think sincerely want to help. Personally I like the Byron Katie model of becoming a spiritual teacher. She was in some kind of rehab place because that's all her insurance would cover. She had been banished to the attic by the others because she was such a rageaholic. One day she was cowering in terror under the bed. A cockroach crawled across her leg. Voila! she was awake! Fortunately she did not go on to teach the *cower under a bed and let cockroach crawl across your leg technique! She spent hours on the mesa. The Native Americans called her She Who Listens To the Wind. Then friends started coming to her, telling her their problems. And The Work was born, a new form of inquiry, quite different from the traditional form of inquiry, who are you. My favorite question of her inquiry is: can you absolutely know that it's true? On Monday, March 24, 2014 2:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/23/2014 11:12 AM, Share Long wrote: Doc, as to the value per post being much higher on BAT, I disagree. As I said, I find FFL not only more fun, but also more enlivening of totality and even more healing. Different strokes... I've read almost all the messages posted to the BATGAP, it doesn't take very long, once you figure out how to ignore the material that people failed to snip; it looks like it's all about Jim Flannigin, David and Angela. I guess they tried to contribute as much as they could to keep the conversation going. Maybe Steve is correct - you can only take enlightenment talk only so far, and you are right, it's not everyone's cup of tea. If you've already reached an enlightened state, what can you say to anyone? If you are not in an enlightened state, what are you going to say to someone that's already enlightened? If you don't even believe in the enlightenment tradition, who would want to listen to someone claiming they are enlightened or not?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
On 3/23/2014 2:42 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *I don't think he was fibbing. What he said was that all they were selling was TM, and that's surely correct as far as it goes. * I guess I'm just not understanding what his motives are - persuade you to stop doing the TMSP and join him in his crusade? Do the parents of the children in public schools have to pay money to learn TM for the Quiet Time?
[FairfieldLife] Magic tricks for dogs
Doug Henning once did something similar with a cat who'd wandered into our apartment when he was there. The cat was unimpressed enough that he walked over to Doug's shoes (left by the door) and attempted to pee on them. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/24/dogs-magic-trick_n_5020177.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
On 3/23/2014 10:17 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: The chanting rooms seemed nice enough but c'mon, I really think a greater care should have been made to ensure the rest of the environment was livable. It makes me crazy to think these guys were confined to these types of barracks when at least in India you have the richness of color and all of the other myriad sensory input that is characteristic of a hot climate where the smells of people, pavement, animals and food mingle in a way to let you know you are in the land of the living. I can't think of a place that is more out of keeping with what they must be used to environmentally/aesthetically. Speaking of living conditions in India - has anyone seen the movie Slumdog Millionaire? It's nice to have a fantasy about the mountain scenery in India and living in a picturesque ashram in Rishikesh, but the reality is quite different over there for the vast majority of people. You can can say what you want abut the modular homes the pundits occupy, but it's actually a lot closer to the real world than the Vastu houses that surround the compound up in Vedic City. Compared to the average home in India, one average Vastu house in Vedic City looks like the Taj Mahal. I'm not that familiar with housing costs in Fairfield, but a Vastu house like those I see on Google Earth would go for at least $300,000 around here. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/23/2014 10:20 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: I know she has grit and determination and wasn't afraid to take on the school system and the David Lynch foundation - that's enough for me Grit is one thing and, believe me, I am an admirer of it. But I think her cause is not worthy of her grit. She is campaigning against something that is really very benign at worst and at best a vast improvement on the kids deeking out to the nearest parking lot for a joint. If it was just a matter of sneaking out to the parking lot to smoke a joint, that could be dealt with - it's the rampant violence and gang mentality that's the problem in schools that's the problem. Not to mention that many students these days in the inner city are sometimes unable to read or write and even add numbers IF they graduate. That's where parents need the grit - not wasting time fighting a quiet time program. It looks like MJ is somebody that has no idea what's going on in our public schools these days. Apparently he's not much into education. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
You contributed so little to the BATGAP forum, never having had the balls to even speak up. Why all the interest now? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure! On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Somebody is doing some compulsive reading! Posting History FairfiledLife: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Rick, in Richard's defense I want to say that he brings a light heartedness to FFL that is welcome, at least by me. And this week he posted some good articles about the missing plane. He does seem somewhat obsessed about turq's report about Lenz's levitation. But nobody's perfect. Go figure! Mayb, but did he need 172 posts to do so? Can anyone say compulsive? On Friday, March 21, 2014 10:18 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Hey Richard Williams. Notice anything about this post count? Have you considered taking up a hobby? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of FFL PostCount Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:16 PM To: FairfieldLife Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/15/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/22/14 00:00:00 822 messages as of (UTC) 03/20/14 23:59:05 172 Richard J. Williams 87 authfriend 58 TurquoiseBee 58 Share Long 56 doctordumbass 42 emilymaenot 41 Michael Jackson 37 awoelflebater 33 steve.sundur 33 Bhairitu 28 Mike Dixon 26 salyavin808 26 nablusoss1008 24 dhamiltony2k5 16 cardemaister 12 jr_esq 12 LEnglish5 10 anartaxius 10 Pundit Sir 9 s3raphita 6 Rick Archer 4 emptybill 3 ultrarishi 2 wgm4u 2 srijau 2 punditster 2 merudanda 2 martyboi 2 j_alexander_stanley 2 Dick Mays 1 yifuxero 1 turquoiseb 1 martin.quickman 1 WLeed3 1 Duveyoung Posters: 35 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Ha, please don't play the fool, simply to win the popularity contest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure! On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Somebody is doing some compulsive reading! Posting History FairfiledLife: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Rick, in Richard's defense I want to say that he brings a light heartedness to FFL that is welcome, at least by me. And this week he posted some good articles about the missing plane. He does seem somewhat obsessed about turq's report about Lenz's levitation. But nobody's perfect. Go figure! Mayb, but did he need 172 posts to do so? Can anyone say compulsive? On Friday, March 21, 2014 10:18 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Hey Richard Williams. Notice anything about this post count? Have you considered taking up a hobby? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of FFL PostCount Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:16 PM To: FairfieldLife Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/15/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/22/14 00:00:00 822 messages as of (UTC) 03/20/14 23:59:05 172 Richard J. Williams 87 authfriend 58 TurquoiseBee 58 Share Long 56 doctordumbass 42 emilymaenot 41 Michael Jackson 37 awoelflebater 33 steve.sundur 33 Bhairitu 28 Mike Dixon 26 salyavin808 26 nablusoss1008 24 dhamiltony2k5 16 cardemaister 12 jr_esq 12 LEnglish5 10 anartaxius 10 Pundit Sir 9 s3raphita 6 Rick Archer 4 emptybill 3 ultrarishi 2 wgm4u 2 srijau 2 punditster 2 merudanda 2 martyboi 2 j_alexander_stanley 2 Dick Mays 1 yifuxero 1 turquoiseb 1 martin.quickman 1 WLeed3 1 Duveyoung Posters: 35 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/23/2014 10:30 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck* You have to realize, Buck, that most normal folks that live in Fairfield probably think you're the nut for setting up a campus on a farm with 200 house trailers for a thousand Hindu monk pundits from India to pray in all day and night. You've got to admit, this looks kind of strange from the outside.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
You and Share oughta join up with Barry, and become the three monkeys; See no enlightenment, Hear no enlightenment, and Speak no enlightenment - lol. C'mon you are halfway there! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay, how bout instead of Unity sucks an egg, we can go to Vedically correct, Unity sucks hiranyagarbha ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my vote would go to: Doc sez, Unity sucks! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:31 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure! On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Somebody is doing some compulsive reading! Posting History FairfiledLife: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Rick, in Richard's defense I want to say that he brings a light heartedness to FFL that is welcome, at least by me. And this week he posted some good articles about the missing plane. He does seem somewhat obsessed about turq's report about Lenz's levitation. But nobody's perfect. Go figure! Mayb, but did he need 172 posts to do so? Can anyone say compulsive? On Friday, March 21, 2014 10:18 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Hey Richard Williams. Notice anything about this post count? Have you considered taking up a hobby? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of FFL PostCount Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:16 PM To: FairfieldLife Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/15/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/22/14 00:00:00 822 messages as of (UTC) 03/20/14 23:59:05 172 Richard J. Williams 87 authfriend 58 TurquoiseBee 58 Share Long 56 doctordumbass 42 emilymaenot 41 Michael Jackson 37 awoelflebater 33 steve.sundur 33 Bhairitu 28 Mike Dixon 26 salyavin808 26 nablusoss1008 24
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 12:14 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special. You mean special compared to the average Leiden cafe rap or posting comments on the most boring TV show on the planet? LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
I don't care if she is or isn't - write and ask her if you want to find out On Mon, 3/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 12:00 PM Old history of evangelical christians hating on meditation. Going back with TM even to Berkeley, California 1960's days and their inception of the NJ. Court case back then. This methodical assault on science and schools by a small group of small-minded people smells of christian rats. Prove to me my nose is wrong. I bet you can't. =Buck mjackson74 writes: why do you assume she is a Christian? I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds.-Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attemptto sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjacksonis apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Yep I would say keeping TM out of schools is averting the danger before it arises! On Mon, 3/24/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 12:01 PM This is just cult hysteria and misdirection on Buck's part. Thomas Jefferson *was* a Christian, and he objected to *any* form of religious practice being added to the school systems of America because that violated the Constitution of the United States. Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. :-) It didn't...it referred to a group of Christians who were trying to sneak their practices into a school system, just as the TMO is. I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. I am very much not a Christian, but I would object similarly to any form of religion-based meditation being offered in public schools in America for the same reason -- it violates the Constitution. And there is simply no question that TM (as it is currently taught) is based in religion -- the mantras are the names (or nicknames, for the nitpickers) of Hindu gods, and Hindu gods and teachers are chanted to and bowed down to during the puja, without which *TM cannot be taught*. For similar reasons I would opposed any form of Buddhist meditation (including mindfulness) being taught in American public schools *if it included and demanded traditional Buddhist rituals as part of the teaching process*. If a technique can be *totally* divorced from its religious background, such that no invocation of or mention of the religious trappings are ever needed to learn and practice the technique, then I'd see no problem with such a technique being taught in schools. But TM does NOT fit that criterion. Never has, never will. This was decided in the courts w.r.t. TM decades ago. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools why do you assume she is a Christian? How do you know she isn't a Buddhist? or an agnostic? When people find out about the seamy underbelly of the TMO they object to their kids being exposed to it on the basis of decency and common sense - what parent would deliberately want their children influenced by the likes of the leaders of the TMO and an organization that lionizes the likes of Russell Brand? On Mon, 3/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:30 AM I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds.-Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Any idea what I was talking about, Share? Although the phrase is a catchy one, it defines the difference, subjectively, between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. Though if you would like to continue giggling over it, like someone with the consciousness of a rock, please, be my guest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my vote would go to: Doc sez, Unity sucks! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:31 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure! On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: Somebody is doing some compulsive reading! Posting History FairfiledLife: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Rick, in Richard's defense I want to say that he brings a light heartedness to FFL that is welcome, at least by me. And this week he posted some good articles about the missing plane. He does seem somewhat obsessed about turq's report about Lenz's levitation. But nobody's perfect. Go figure! Mayb, but did he need 172 posts to do so? Can anyone say compulsive? On Friday, March 21, 2014 10:18 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Hey Richard Williams. Notice anything about this post count? Have you considered taking up a hobby? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of FFL PostCount Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:16 PM To: FairfieldLife Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/15/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/22/14 00:00:00 822 messages as of (UTC) 03/20/14 23:59:05 172 Richard J. Williams 87 authfriend 58 TurquoiseBee 58 Share Long 56 doctordumbass 42 emilymaenot 41 Michael Jackson 37 awoelflebater 33 steve.sundur 33 Bhairitu 28 Mike Dixon 26 salyavin808 26 nablusoss1008 24 dhamiltony2k5 16 cardemaister 12 jr_esq 12 LEnglish5 10 anartaxius 10
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 7:54 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: You contributed so little to the BATGAP forum, never having had the balls to even speak up. Why all the interest now? Maybe he is just JELLOS.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Right? With so many neurotic cultural assumptions, it isn't even English to me. Barry writes the same way, as if the shit in their heads is universally understood. Very strange individuals. Living in a parallel, yet fictitious reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If you eliminate your inadvertent cross-comparison, non-sequential opinions, and overall conclusion, I could reply, but this radio message from your outer space, or inner space, makes no sense to me, Share. Different strokes, indeed. Oh fuck. Friggin' Hilarious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, as to the value per post being much higher on BAT, I disagree. As I said, I find FFL not only more fun, but also more enlivening of totality and even more healing. Different strokes...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
[FairfieldLife] Correction
yesterday I said there were only 2 schools who have the TM shill Quiet Time in their halls - I have since learned there are 3 - Burton High School, Visitacion Valley Middle School, John O'Connell high school
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 2:40 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. How does this jibe with your Walk the talk, been there, and done that model? Can you levitate like Rama? Would that make you special or Just Another Guy? So many question, so few answers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I bet very few people here on FFL even know what shinola is without looking it up On Mon, 3/24/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 1:10 PM I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
On 3/24/2014 5:38 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Any real reporter would have said this explicitly in their article and demanded to be able to pick a few others at random. How would a real reporter for an Iowa newspaper learn to speak Hindi or Urdu?
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
On 3/24/2014 5:38 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: 2. As others have noted, the pandit compound resembles a concentration camp more than anything else. Obviously you've never occupied student housing or been inside a temporary building on a school campus. LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Buck, the question you have to ask yourself is, what is TM? Is it simply a mechanical technique? Is it a mental technique with religious overtones? Or is it a Hindu form of meditation? Then at least as far as schools are concerned, you may have the crux of the issue. And in this case, with the exception of option A, I think you are going to run into continual resistance from schools. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Old history of evangelical christians hating on meditation. Going back with TM even to Berkeley, California 1960's days and their inception of the NJ. Court case back then. This methodical assault on science and schools by a small group of small-minded people smells of christian rats. Prove to me my nose is wrong. I bet you can't. =Buck mjackson74 writes: why do you assume she is a Christian? I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds. -Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the danger that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Popularity contest just nails it for both Steve and Share. (With themselves as the judges, of course.) Ha, please don't play the fool, simply to win the popularity contest. Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Share wrote: My favorite question of her [Byron Katie] inquiry is: can you absolutely know that it's true? This is about epistemology - theory of knowledge - that is, how do we know stuff, how do we come to justified belief instead of mere opinion. Most of what we know seems to be very second hand many times removed. Faith is a flawed epistemology because it substitutes an idea for which we have no direct experience and yet pretend it's true, in other words it's an attitude towards things we do not know, it puts ignorance on a pedestal. It is truly difficult to come to knowledge. If I cut my finger on something, there is a direct experience of pain, the sight of blood, some discomfort. But then if I theorise how that pain comes to be, I am on much much shakier ground. If I say, well 'the nerves were stimulated'. But I have never seen a nerve - I read about it in a book or heard about it in a college lecture long ago. Somebody else said that, how do I know what they said is in fact true? I can't just say, well, 'it's science'. Somebody it has been said investigated pain and nerves and whatnot, and perhaps that person has some kind of direct knowledge of that, but I only heard about it many times removed. How does science work. I do have some experience, I almost became one myself. I have friends who are scientists, I understand how it works. Buck, for example, does not know how science works, for him it seems to be faith, and faith is an unreliable epistemology. If Buck knew how science works, he would not be nearly so cocksure about its results or its truth. Metaphysics is another unreliable epistemology because it concerns things imagined but not directly in experience. The vast proliferation of metaphysical systems for which there is only second hand references is evidence of their epistemological unreliability. On the other hand we do have direct kinds of experience; the fly in the ointment is our interpretation of those experiences, for we could have a direct experience of hallucinating, and than interpret the content of that experience as something that is independently real of the experience, for example, Frodo is the creator of the universe, and he reigns in heaven with Samwise Gamgee at his side. If I interpret an experience like this as true, then I expect others truly ought to consider it true as well. (If you do not worship the relic of the tenth finger, you are damned for eternity.) For myself, I seem to know I have experience, i.e., there is consciousness. After that, everything is on much more unstable ground. Science takes the tack that a belief about the world is an hypothesis, that is, it is an informed conjecture that is constantly subject to confirmation. This is a practical kind of knowledge, but as we experience, scientific conjectures have repeatedly been overthrown and replaced with newer ones. I seem to know how to make coffee in the morning, and how to make chocolate chip cookies. But if I go into detail about what a chocolate chip cookie 'really is' there seems to be an insurmountable problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I do think that some of the people are simply genuinely enthused about their situation and thus sharing about it. Others I think sincerely want to help. Personally I like the Byron Katie model of becoming a spiritual teacher. She was in some kind of rehab place because that's all her insurance would cover. She had been banished to the attic by the others because she was such a rageaholic. One day she was cowering in terror under the bed. A cockroach crawled across her leg. Voila! she was awake! Fortunately she did not go on to teach the *cower under a bed and let cockroach crawl across your leg technique! She spent hours on the mesa. The Native Americans called her She Who Listens To the Wind. Then friends started coming to her, telling her their problems. And The Work was born, a new form of inquiry, quite different from the traditional form of inquiry, who are you. My favorite question of her inquiry is: can you absolutely know that it's true? On Monday, March 24, 2014 2:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/24/2014 7:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. I keep bringing this up, because you seem ignorant of Sanskrit - the term rakshasas is a derogatory term with reference to skin color and translated into English means nigger devil. It's one thing to be a racist, but you just compound your error by being ignorant. Does that make you feel special to use Sanskrit words without even knowing they mean? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special. Every single one of them? Come on. You do have a big brush that you don't appear to have the discernment not to use to paint everyone with. Your insights are less than useful, they're laughable. Are you forever going to present yourself as a simpleton here?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/24/2014 8:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Yep I would say keeping TM out of schools is averting the danger before it arises! You got to work really early today!
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Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
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You are definitely on a roll, Doc. Right? With so many neurotic cultural assumptions, it isn't even English to me. Barry writes the same way, as if the shit in their heads is universally understood. Very strange individuals. Living in a parallel, yet fictitious reality. If you eliminate your inadvertent cross-comparison, non-sequential opinions, and overall conclusion, I could reply, but this radio message from your outer space, or inner space, makes no sense to me, Share. Different strokes, indeed. Oh fuck. Friggin' Hilarious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, as to the value per post being much higher on BAT, I disagree. As I said, I find FFL not only more fun, but also more enlivening of totality and even more healing. Different strokes...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) Blah, blah, blah. This little squirt of a post is obviously the result of someone who resents not having been invited to be interviewed at BATGAP. But Bawwy still manages to talk all about himself here. FFL is his own personal BATGAP. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
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On 3/24/2014 8:09 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Any idea what I was talking about, Share? Although the phrase is a catchy one, it defines the difference, subjectively, between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. Though if you would like to continue giggling over it, like someone with the consciousness of a rock, please, be my guest. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to enlighten Share about the difference between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. That really helps her to understand the mechanics of consciousness compaed to a rock. LoL!
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I thought the Chopra quote was brilliant, machine generated, or not. That is one of the genuine pleasures of liberation - to not be bound by anything, except reality. What a concept, eh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having awakening experiences) is because of the cultural career path presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this career path works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you pay your dues as a seeker, and finally attain enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the teacher you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these easy audience forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring Yes, Master, that's so wise, or Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro. I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be awakened too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of wisdom or knowledge that then can or should be taught to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the awakened talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-)
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Hey tex, what's up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 8:09 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Any idea what I was talking about, Share? Although the phrase is a catchy one, it defines the difference, subjectively, between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. Though if you would like to continue giggling over it, like someone with the consciousness of a rock, please, be my guest. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to enlighten Share about the difference between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. That really helps her to understand the mechanics of consciousness compaed to a rock. LoL!
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On 3/24/2014 8:15 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I bet very few people here on FFL even know what shinola is without looking it up You may be correct on this one - how did you know that shinola is a watch made up in Detroit? Most people probably think its a shoe polish. Go figure.
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On 3/24/2014 8:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Popularity contest just nails it for both Steve and Share. (With themselves as the judges, of course.)* Compare to your snark, Steve and Share read like a breath of fresh air!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is just cult hysteria and misdirection on Buck's part. Thomas Jefferson *was* a Christian, and he objected to *any* form of religious practice being added to the school systems of America because that violated the Constitution of the United States. Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. :-) It didn't...it referred to a group of Christians who were trying to sneak their practices into a school system, just as the TMO is. I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. I am very much not a Christian, but I would object similarly to any form of religion-based meditation being offered in public schools in America for the same reason -- it violates the Constitution. And there is simply no question that TM (as it is currently taught) is based in religion -- the mantras are the names (or nicknames, for the nitpickers) of Hindu gods, and Hindu gods and teachers are chanted to and bowed down to during the puja, without which *TM cannot be taught*. For similar reasons I would opposed any form of Buddhist meditation (including mindfulness) being taught in American public schools *if it included and demanded traditional Buddhist rituals as part of the teaching process*. If a technique can be *totally* divorced from its religious background, such that no invocation of or mention of the religious trappings are ever needed to learn and practice the technique, then I'd see no problem with such a technique being taught in schools. But TM does NOT fit that criterion. Never has, never will. This was decided in the courts w.r.t. TM decades ago. You are waa too hung up on the concept of religion. You are positively spooked by it. Practicing a meditation technique for a few minutes in some North American school room is a long way from what was or may still be happening in Catholic schools with its indoctrination and spiritual brainwashing. Sitting down for a few minutes to shut out the world is potentially a great thing given that America's typical school environment is pretty much entropic noise and superficiality. Get off your paranoidal high horse and get a grip. You're hysterical. If you take half a second to think for a change you'd realize just about everything we do in our day is based on some religious practice or culture or belief. We're grounded in it as human beings. I had no idea you were such a prissy wussy, Bawwy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic tricks for dogs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug Henning once did something similar with a cat who'd wandered into our apartment when he was there. The cat was unimpressed enough that he walked over to Doug's shoes (left by the door) and attempted to pee on them. :-) Cats are a lot more like people than dogs are. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/24/dogs-magic-trick_n_5020177.html?utm_hp_ref=uk http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/24/dogs-magic-trick_n_5020177.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Correction
On 3/24/2014 8:14 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: yesterday I said there were only 2 schools who have the TM shill Quiet Time in their halls - I have since learned there are 3 - Burton High School, Visitacion Valley Middle School, John O'Connell high school Thanks for this information - you sure seem to on top of this schooling idea. LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 8:40 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey tex, what's up? What's up Doc? LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 8:09 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Any idea what I was talking about, Share? Although the phrase is a catchy one, it defines the difference, subjectively, between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. Though if you would like to continue giggling over it, like someone with the consciousness of a rock, please, be my guest. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to enlighten Share about the difference between Brahman and Unity Consciousness. That really helps her to understand the mechanics of consciousness compaed to a rock. LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/23/2014 10:17 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Thechanting rooms seemed nice enough but c'mon, I really think a greater care should have been made to ensure the rest of the environment was livable. It makes me crazy to think these guys were confined to these types of barracks when at least in India you have the richness of color and all of the other myriad sensory input that is characteristic of a hot climate where the smells of people, pavement, animals and food mingle in a way to let you know you are in the land of the living. I can't think of a place that is more out of keeping with what they must be used to environmentally/aesthetically. Speaking of living conditions in India - has anyone seen the movie Slumdog Millionaire? It's nice to have a fantasy about the mountain scenery in India and living in a picturesque ashram in Rishikesh, but the reality is quite different over there for the vast majority of people. I'm not talkin' about mountain scenery and picturesque ashrams, I was talking about city streets and crowded neighborhoods if you actually read what I wrote. You can can say what you want abut the modular homes the pundits occupy, but it's actually a lot closer to the real world than the Vastu houses that surround the compound up in Vedic City. Compared to the average home in India, one average Vastu house in Vedic City looks like the Taj Mahal. I'm not that familiar with housing costs in Fairfield, but a Vastu house like those I see on Google Earth would go for at least $300,000 around here. Go figure. Whatever you want to call it where they live it is still reminiscent of an army barracks and my point was it doesn't have to be. Nor does it have to be a Taj Mahal. But it should resemble some configuration that a human being would want to live in. The compound reminded me of some sort of factory farm.
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On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care if she is or isn't - write and ask her if you want to find out I don't care either, it was just a theory. I know enough about her, thanks. She doesn't impress me in any way so far; I'm not a fan of conservative or knee-jerk. Sounds like someone who admires Sarah Palin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 7:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. I keep bringing this up, because you seem ignorant of Sanskrit - the term rakshasas is a derogatory term with reference to skin color and translated into English means nigger devil. It's one thing to be a racist, but you just compound your error by being ignorant. Does that make you feel special to use Sanskrit words without even knowing they mean? Go figure. And here Bawwy was thinking he knew something because he used the old-fashioned and well-worn word shinola. I had always heard it phrased shit from shinola.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
down to the bedrock.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You are definitely on a roll, Doc. Right? With so many neurotic cultural assumptions, it isn't even English to me. Barry writes the same way, as if the shit in their heads is universally understood. Very strange individuals. Living in a parallel, yet fictitious reality. If you eliminate your inadvertent cross-comparison, non-sequential opinions, and overall conclusion, I could reply, but this radio message from your outer space, or inner space, makes no sense to me, Share. Different strokes, indeed. Oh fuck. Friggin' Hilarious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, as to the value per post being much higher on BAT, I disagree. As I said, I find FFL not only more fun, but also more enlivening of totality and even more healing. Different strokes...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
On 3/24/2014 8:54 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: But it should resemble some configuration that a human being would want to live in. The compound reminded me of some sort of factory farm. It looks very similar to student housing on the MUM campus.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
The obvious problem for some Christians is the first commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. If this woman is a devout Christian, she has every right to have concern until such time that the TMO can prove that they are not trying to slip something by on her children or society as a whole. That will be very difficult in light of the NJ case. As long as Christians feel attacked for their beliefs, (prayer removed from public schools and events, crosses removed from public lands, ten commandments removed from court room buildings etc.) you can bet that Christians will demand equal treatment for other religions as well. The TMO can dress TM up all it wants with all the junk science it wants but as long as witnessing the puja is a must for*initiates*, it will be recognized as a *baptism*, so to speak ,into another faith and adherents to any other religion have a right to question and reject, if their conscience dictates.The TMO under the direction of Maharishi has shot it's self in the foot too many times to ever become the Oscar Pistorius of cults. I just don't see it ever getting up and running like it could have in the early 70's. But who knows? On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:32 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/24/2014 7:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. I keep bringing this up, because you seem ignorant of Sanskrit - the term rakshasas is a derogatory term with reference to skin color and translated into English means nigger devil. It's one thing to be a racist, but you just compound your error by being ignorant. Does that make you feel special to use Sanskrit words without even knowing they mean? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 8:40 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey tex, what's up? I guess I was wondering, Doc, does being enlightened depend on what state in the U.S. they're born in?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
For the record, I don't KNOW whether he's enlightened, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out; and I'm quite sure he's a whole lot further along than you are (not saying much, granted). I do not feel the least bit sorry for him, either. Seems to me he's doing fine just as he is. You, on the other hand... Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Xeno wrote: Science takes the tack that a belief about the world is an hypothesis, that is, it is an informed conjecture that is constantly subject to confirmation. Xeno, this is the bit that hits home for me. And it's a matter of percentages too. I'm 90% sure that if I cross the major road Burlington on a green light, the cars will stop and I'll be safe. But at Burlington and 2nd, I've seen lots of cars run the red light. That's why I'm not 100% sure. Also I'm pretty sure that scientists are right and matter, in this case me and the red light running car, are composed mainly of space between molecules. But I'm not yet willing to test the practical implications of that hypothesis. BTW, in the many times I've asked the Byron Katie question Can I absolutely know that it's true, I have only a few times been able to say yes. And even then, yes wasn't all the significant. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:28 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: My favorite question of her [Byron Katie] inquiry is: can you absolutely know that it's true? This is about epistemology - theory of knowledge - that is, how do we know stuff, how do we come to justified belief instead of mere opinion. Most of what we know seems to be very second hand many times removed. Faith is a flawed epistemology because it substitutes an idea for which we have no direct experience and yet pretend it's true, in other words it's an attitude towards things we do not know, it puts ignorance on a pedestal. It is truly difficult to come to knowledge. If I cut my finger on something, there is a direct experience of pain, the sight of blood, some discomfort. But then if I theorise how that pain comes to be, I am on much much shakier ground. If I say, well 'the nerves were stimulated'. But I have never seen a nerve - I read about it in a book or heard about it in a college lecture long ago. Somebody else said that, how do I know what they said is in fact true? I can't just say, well, 'it's science'. Somebody it has been said investigated pain and nerves and whatnot, and perhaps that person has some kind of direct knowledge of that, but I only heard about it many times removed. How does science work. I do have some experience, I almost became one myself. I have friends who are scientists, I understand how it works. Buck, for example, does not know how science works, for him it seems to be faith, and faith is an unreliable epistemology. If Buck knew how science works, he would not be nearly so cocksure about its results or its truth. Metaphysics is another unreliable epistemology because it concerns things imagined but not directly in experience. The vast proliferation of metaphysical systems for which there is only second hand references is evidence of their epistemological unreliability. On the other hand we do have direct kinds of experience; the fly in the ointment is our interpretation of those experiences, for we could have a direct experience of hallucinating, and than interpret the content of that experience as something that is independently real of the experience, for example, Frodo is the creator of the universe, and he reigns in heaven with Samwise Gamgee at his side. If I interpret an experience like this as true, then I expect others truly ought to consider it true as well. (If you do not worship the relic of the tenth finger, you are damned for eternity.) For myself, I seem to know I have experience, i.e., there is consciousness. After that, everything is on much more unstable ground. Science takes the tack that a belief about the world is an hypothesis, that is, it is an informed conjecture that is constantly subject to confirmation. This is a practical kind of knowledge, but as we experience, scientific conjectures have repeatedly been overthrown and replaced with newer ones. I seem to know how to make coffee in the morning, and how to make chocolate chip cookies. But if I go into detail about what a chocolate chip cookie 'really is' there seems to be an insurmountable problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I do think that some of the people are simply genuinely enthused about their situation and thus sharing about it. Others I think sincerely want to help. Personally I like the Byron Katie model of becoming a spiritual teacher. She was in some kind of rehab place because that's all her insurance would cover. She had been banished to the attic by the others because she was such a rageaholic. One day she was cowering in terror under the bed. A cockroach crawled across her leg. Voila! she was awake! Fortunately she did not go on to teach the *cower under a bed and let cockroach crawl across your leg technique! She spent hours on the mesa. The Native Americans called her She Who Listens To the Wind. Then friends started coming to her, telling her their problems. And The Work was born, a new form
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/24/2014 9:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: For the record, I don't KNOW whether he's enlightened, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out; and I'm quite sure he's a whole lot further along than you are (not saying much, granted). I do not feel the least bit sorry for him, either. Seems to me he's doing fine just as he is. My philosophy covers all the bases: you are already enlightened, to a certain extent. But, you're only going to get as much enlightenment you are going to get. All we have to do is define enlightened. Being born human is enlightenment; now all we have to do is culture wisdom and gain knowledge. You, on the other hand... Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Mike you may be right about TM being past its heyday. Except that I think the Chinese are enthusiastic about it. And in my experience they are nobody's fool. In general I find them to be very intelligent and very, very practical. The fact that I see an increasing number of young Chinese women in the Dome, tells me that TM continues to be recognized as the quintessential technique for releasing stress from the nervous system and developing fuller mind body coordination. As to the religion question, I ask: if TM is really a religion, then why do many long term TMers continue to attend Mass and services and synagogue? Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:23 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: The obvious problem for some Christians is the first commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. If this woman is a devout Christian, she has every right to have concern until such time that the TMO can prove that they are not trying to slip something by on her children or society as a whole. That will be very difficult in light of the NJ case. As long as Christians feel attacked for their beliefs, (prayer removed from public schools and events, crosses removed from public lands, ten commandments removed from court room buildings etc.) you can bet that Christians will demand equal treatment for other religions as well. The TMO can dress TM up all it wants with all the junk science it wants but as long as witnessing the puja is a must for*initiates*, it will be recognized as a *baptism*, so to speak ,into another faith and adherents to any other religion have a right to question and reject, if their conscience dictates.The TMO under the direction of Maharishi has shot it's self in the foot too many times to ever become the Oscar Pistorius of cults. I just don't see it ever getting up and running like it could have in the early 70's. But who knows? On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:32 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/24/2014 7:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. I keep bringing this up, because you seem ignorant of Sanskrit - the term rakshasas is a derogatory term with reference to skin color and translated into English means nigger devil. It's one thing to be a racist, but you just compound your error by being ignorant. Does that make you feel special to use Sanskrit words without even knowing they mean? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
Of Press and Pandits The quest for controversy often overshadows the quest for truth in today's media. But in the process that is now following after the March 11 Dust Up in Vedic City, Iowa, reported by Rekha Basu in Sunday's Register I trust the ensuing discussion will serve our public interest. So I thank Rekha Basu for making her first trip to our community in Vedic City, which has been established for 17 years and for beginning the overdue process of informing Iowa of what is going on in our unique piece of this great State. First, some facts. On Friday, I provided to Rekhu the budget on the Pandit project. She advised me that it was unfortunately too late to be included in the Sunday edition. So I summarize it now for you: . $14 million dollars to build the Pandit campus facilities, including the residences and common building - all of them modern, custom designed and built, modular units. . The monthly costs to operate the project, including stipends, wages, food, repair, maintenance, G and A, and Pandit travel to and from India, etc. averaged $600,000 per month in 2013. . All these costs are covered by donations from numerous benefactors to the non-profit 501c)3) educational organization that runs the project, for which I have served as counsel for the last 12 years. . The four years before the first Pandit arrived in the U.S. in 2007 were spent laying out the design of the program and facilities,in construction, on logistics and getting the necessary government approvals from the US State Department, USCIS and Indian authorities after numerous meetings, memos and discussions for which I earned many frequent flier miles. It would be nice if the facilities were grander, the stipends larger, and the weather warmer. And it would be nice, if unrealistic, to presume we could anticipate all the myriad challenges that such an unprecedented cultural exchange might engender. But after seven-and-a-half years, and considering the reasonable financial constraints and cross-cultural differences, I personally don't think it fair to say we are doing badly. But that is for you to decide. The fact is that after 2,499 days of apparently non-newsworthy peace, one morning recently, a small minority of the Pandits on the campus behaved quite badly (it appears that about a dozen threw rocks) when they perceived that the Sheriff was taking away their leader and friend to jail for some unknown criminal act. The Sheriff was not, in fact, there for that purpose, but merely as a precaution to assist the administrators who were returning that individual to India for an internal administrative breach of his authority. But that was the group's perception and their unfortunate reaction. The lesson: The Sheriff won't be requested to assist in such a process in the future. We will do better next time and we thank Sheriff Morton for his exemplary and professional restraint. And those behaving badly have now been removed from the campus. The religious vocation (Monk or Nun) visa they have been issued by USCIS, which has been very carefully reviewed in each individual case by the State Department and USCIS prior to issuance (2,600 visas in all to date), strictly confines by its terms what the Pandit can do, where they can do it, and what the compensation is. They are only to engage, on a full-time basis, in their religious vocation of meditation, Vedic performances, and Vedic study. It is not hard labor or labor of any kind. No other activity, secular or non-secular, is permissible. And their stated activities can only take place on the USCIS-approved campus in Vedic City. They are to be provided $200 per month in cash compensation and their room and board, living expenses, medical care, and transport. The campus was inspected and approved by USCIS at the commencement of the program and in subsequent visits by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Simply put, foreign nationals on these Non-Immigrant Visas do not have the same rights that American citizens have. They are limited by the law and by common sense. As Sheriff Morton noted, some farmers have been confronted by Pandits leaving the compound (contrary to the impression the Basu article leaves that this is not possible). What the Sheriff was kind of enough not to note were the details of those stories, e.g., two Pandits who went for a walk in the countryside opened up the door to a farmhouse, which is quite acceptable by Indian village custom, and asked the residents for some water. When they found themselves staring at a shotgun the Pandits realized they might have broached the local cultural norms. Would it be nice if their compensation was greater? Certainly, and I know the Pandits would appreciate that too. Additional donations are being sought to enable this and are solely used towards that end when received. But that is not what they agreed to accept or what we are currently able to provide. $20 million dollars has been expended on
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Doc wrote to Xeno: Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. Doc, imo, someone in BC, Brahman Consciousness, would never say something like this to another person. In particular the bit about having a long way to go. Not to mention the bit about saying what state of consciousness another person is in! Can I absolutely know either of these for sure? No. But I'm 95% sure. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:15 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! There’s a forum within Batgap.com that’s always been more lively than the BatGap Yahoo group – 10’s of thousands of posts. But BatGap is not really about forum chat – it’s about the interviews. Forum participants are a tiny subset of interview-watchers. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure! On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:43 PM, Pundit Sir punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Somebody is doing some compulsive reading! Posting History FairfiledLife: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/FFL.JPG On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Rick, in Richard's defense I want to say that he brings a light heartedness to FFL that is welcome, at least by me. And this week he posted some good articles about the missing plane. He does seem somewhat obsessed about turq's report about Lenz's levitation. But nobody's perfect. Go figure! Mayb, but did he need 172 posts to do so? Can anyone say compulsive? On Friday, March 21, 2014 10:18 AM, Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote: Hey Richard Williams. Notice anything about this post count? Have you considered taking up a hobby? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of FFL PostCount Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:16 PM To: FairfieldLife Subject: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/15/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/22/14 00:00:00 822 messages as of (UTC) 03/20/14 23:59:05 172 Richard J. Williams 87 authfriend 58 TurquoiseBee 58 Share Long 56 doctordumbass 42 emilymaenot 41 Michael Jackson 37 awoelflebater 33 steve.sundur 33 Bhairitu 28 Mike Dixon 26 salyavin808 26 nablusoss1008 24 dhamiltony2k5 16 cardemaister 12 jr_esq 12 LEnglish5 10 anartaxius 10 Pundit Sir 9 s3raphita 6 Rick Archer 4 emptybill 3 ultrarishi 2 wgm4u 2 srijau 2 punditster 2 merudanda 2 martyboi 2 j_alexander_stanley 2 Dick Mays 1 yifuxero 1 turquoiseb 1 martin.quickman 1 WLeed3 1 Duveyoung Posters: 35 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more
RE: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:54 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC On 3/22/2014 8:23 PM, Share Long wrote: I have a friend who tells me what's happening with the BAT interviews. So, I wonder how many watch the BATGAP interviews? Over 1.5 million views so far. Probably about as many iTunes listens This shouldn't be difficult to figure out using Google Analytics. Instead of posting snarky messages about my posting to FFL, why doesn't Rick support his own discussion groups? I've watched every interview, sometimes twice, but I didn't post any messages to BATGAP - who wants to try and dialog with deaf-mutes? How long does it take to read and post a reply on BATGAP - about one minute? Sorry, I just don’t have much time for forum participation. Still have a day job in addition to BatGap.
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
So how much ad space does the TMO buy in the Des Moines Register? ;-) On 03/24/2014 04:04 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: From what I understand they sent her in because she was born and raised in India and speaks Hindi herself. But I agree with you, it wasn't much of an investigative piece at all On Mon, 3/24/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 10:38 AM I guess I should comment, since I've been more vocal than usual about the latest TMO travesty. :-) 1. I'm pretty surprised that a reporter would not object to being presented only four older pandits as potential interviewees. They were obviously cherry-picked by the MUM administration. Any real reporter would have said this explicitly in their article and demanded to be able to pick a few others at random. She obviously had Hindu interpreters there to allow her to do this. Why didn't she do it? 2. As others have noted, the pandit compound resembles a concentration camp more than anything else. 3. I was sorely disappointed that the reporter was so pussywhipped by the TMO spin machine that she either never heard of the paid yagyas or, if she did, didn't think they were worth mentioning. She *did* get that the pandits are really paid only $50, the rest of their nominal $200 being supposedly held in trust for their parents, but she didn't seem to get the enormous PROFIT that the TM movement is making off of these indentured servants' labor. They get paid 63 cents an hour for services that the TMO is charging thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. The reporter seemed to have been snookered into believing that the only thing they were chanting for was world peace, not to cure the boil on some rich TMer's ass. Throughout the entire article, the reporter parroted the party line told to her by the MUM shills, and even quoted one source as believing that no one is getting rich from this program, when that simply isn't true. Any time you can charge gullible cult followers tens of thousands of dollars to chant a yagya while paying them 63 cents an hour, somebody's getting rich. 4. I was also disappointed that the reporter wound up parroting what she was told about the whole program being run on donated funds when the organization running it has assets in excess of a billion dollars. Again, a real reporter would have done a little pre-research and then asked, WHY are you asking for 'donations' to run this program if 1) it's so important to the world and 2) you already have more than enough money to fund it yourselves? 5. I think it's good that she focused on the human rights violation issues, and the living conditions the pandits live and work under, but I don't think she went far enough in her bottom line closer. All in all, a first step. It's good that someone is taking notice, but next time they need to send in a real reporter... From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits http://www.desmoinesregister.com/comments/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-BasuMain article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 8:54 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: But it should resemble some configuration that a human being would want to live in. The compound reminded me of some sort of factory farm. It looks very similar to student housing on the MUM campus. I'm not sure it does based on this campus map.
[FairfieldLife] Pundit story in the Des Moines Register with many photos:
Pundit story in the Des Moines Register with many photos: Maharishi Vedic City: Inside the compound with Rekha Basu http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-V edic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
Typical TM cult bullshit. I point out a few highlights: 1. When striving to increase compensation for the pandits, only one solution seems to be visible to Goldstein and the TMO -- ask people for more money: Would it be nice if their compensation was greater? Certainly, and I know the Pandits would appreciate that too. Additional donations are being sought to enable this and are solely used towards that end when received. 2. While heading back to the email machines begging TMers for more money, there is no mention of the fact that the organization feeling that it has to pass off the costs of this program to its members is sitting on assets of over a billion dollars. 3. During this whole exercise in spin and distraction, the one thing that Goldstein and company have tried *most* to distract people from is that the pandits are a *profit-creating entity*. The TMO charges people thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for Maharishi yagyas. No mention of this seems to be made in his accounting. No mention of the obvious disparity in charging these fees while paying the people who do the work to provide them are paid 63 cents an hour and housed behind barbed wire has been made. Same old shuck 'n jive routine. Business as usual. What is saddest is that I'll bet their donations actually GO UP. That's how brainwashed TMers are. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits Of Press and Pandits The quest for controversy often overshadows the quest for truth in today’s media. But in the process that is now following after the March 11 “Dust Up” in Vedic City, Iowa, reported by Rekha Basu in Sunday’s Register I trust the ensuing discussion will serve our public interest. So I thank Rekha Basu for making her first trip to our community in Vedic City, which has been established for 17 years and for beginning the overdue process of informing Iowa of what is going on in our unique piece of this great State. First, some facts. On Friday, I provided to Rekhu the budget on the Pandit project. She advised me that it was unfortunately too late to be included in the Sunday edition. So I summarize it now for you: • $14 million dollars to build the Pandit campus facilities, including the residences and common building — all of them modern, custom designed and built, modular units. • The monthly costs to operate the project, including stipends, wages, food, repair, maintenance, G and A, and Pandit travel to and from India, etc. averaged $600,000 per month in 2013. • All these costs are covered by donations from numerous benefactors to the non-profit 501c)3) educational organization that runs the project, for which I have served as counsel for the last 12 years. • The four years before the first Pandit arrived in the U.S. in 2007 were spent laying out the design of the program and facilities,in construction, on logistics and getting the necessary government approvals from the US State Department, USCIS and Indian authorities after numerous meetings, memos and discussions for which I earned many frequent flier miles. It would be nice if the facilities were grander, the stipends larger, and the weather warmer. And it would be nice, if unrealistic, to presume we could anticipate all the myriad challenges that such an unprecedented cultural exchange might engender. But after seven-and-a-half years, and considering the reasonable financial constraints and cross-cultural differences, I personally don’t think it fair to say we are doing badly. But that is for you to decide. The fact is that after 2,499 days of apparently non-newsworthy peace, one morning recently, a small minority of the Pandits on the campus behaved quite badly (it appears that about a dozen threw rocks) when they perceived that the Sheriff was taking away their leader and friend to jail for some unknown criminal act. The Sheriff was not, in fact, there for that purpose, but merely as a precaution to assist the administrators who were returning that individual to India for an internal administrative breach of his authority. But that was the group’s perception and their unfortunate reaction. The lesson: The Sheriff won’t be requested to assist in such a process in the future. We will do better next time and we thank Sheriff Morton for his exemplary and professional restraint. And those behaving badly have now been removed from the campus. The religious vocation (“Monk or Nun”) visa they have been issued by USCIS, which has been very carefully reviewed in each individual case by the State Department and USCIS prior to issuance (2,600 visas in all to date), strictly confines by its terms what the Pandit can do, where they can do it, and what the compensation is. They are only to engage, on a full-time basis, in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundit story in the Des Moines Register with many photos:
Good article, it is indeed the definition of irony. But a call for external oversight? That's not very TM, knowing them as I do I bet they're smarting enough at having to even explain themselves this much to outsiders. Rather hard to keep up the pretence that it's just a secular relaxation technique when you've got a cage full of badly paid Indians praying to the gods on your behalf. Oops! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Pundit story in the Des Moines Register with many photos: Maharishi Vedic City: Inside the compound with Rekha Basu http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Oh yes, Share, you must pass on these other nuggets of understanding of life in Brahman (not an SOC, it encompasses them all). I will wait to act, speak and think, according to your assumptions, even if they are just assumed to be 95% correct. Fair enough? I was giving Xeno helpful information, as I have received in the past. He can choose to ignore it, and it is *certainly* NOT a criticism - rather an acknowledgement of his progress, and a pointer for further progress. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc wrote to Xeno: Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. Doc, imo, someone in BC, Brahman Consciousness, would never say something like this to another person. In particular the bit about having a long way to go. Not to mention the bit about saying what state of consciousness another person is in! Can I absolutely know either of these for sure? No. But I'm 95% sure. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:15 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I thought the enlightened were beyond worry. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
lol - yeah, you think a lot of things. Might want to examine a few of those calcified ideas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I thought the enlightened were beyond worry. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The obvious problem for some Christians is the first commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. If this woman is a devout Christian, she has every right to have concern until such time that the TMO can prove that they are not trying to slip something by on her children or society as a whole. That will be very difficult in light of the NJ case. As long as Christians feel attacked for their beliefs, (prayer removed from public schools and events, crosses removed from public lands, ten commandments removed from court room buildings etc.) you can bet that Christians will demand equal treatment for other religions as well. The TMO can dress TM up all it wants with all the junk science it wants but as long as witnessing the puja is a must for*initiates*, it will be recognized as a *baptism*, so to speak ,into another faith Good point, especially when you take the actual meaning of mantras into account. I bet many a christian who does TM would be annoyed to find out they've been praying to some multi-limbed Hindu deity without realising. I certainly was but I didn't care because I don't believe in any supernatural stuff, a mantra really is just a soothing noise to me, though I do feel miffed at the deception however well intentioned - if it was well intentioned... It's this the hidden intent that people can see that they object to. Of course TM isn't just a relaxation technique, it's way more than that and I don't mean just in a bad 'lure them into the cult' way either. I read a book about it before I learned and it explained all the stages of gaining enlightenment so I understood what I was getting into, the first step into TM is the first step on a path, whether you like it or not. Do kids partaking of quite time get to hear all about that? Do they get to hear about the unstressing periods of regular TM practise that are rather unpleasant (if you want to be honest about it)? I'm guessing not and I don't know if it's fair to pull the wool over their, or their parents, eyes and not give them the full story of what TM is and what the TMO is and the sort of things it does worldwide with all the money it raises with it's largely bullshit health and religious programmes. I say bullshit because of it's all untested new age crap based on the mysterious beliefs of Tony Nader and the idea that Indian literature is somehow present in human physiology. Not good lessons for an evidence based school curriculum I suspect, but you can't separate them from TM itself, they'll find a way of letting you know about the sidhis and yagyas, gotta keep those donations coming in. File under scientology and keep it out of schools. and adherents to any other religion have a right to question and reject, if their conscience dictates.The TMO under the direction of Maharishi has shot it's self in the foot too many times to ever become the Oscar Pistorius of cults. I just don't see it ever getting up and running like it could have in the early 70's. But who knows? On Monday, March 24, 2014 6:32 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/24/2014 7:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Or possibly Buck believes that the tyranny referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. I keep bringing this up, because you seem ignorant of Sanskrit - the term rakshasas is a derogatory term with reference to skin color and translated into English means nigger devil. It's one thing to be a racist, but you just compound your error by being ignorant. Does that make you feel special to use Sanskrit words without even knowing they mean? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
jeez, Doc whatever state of whatever you're in, how in the heck can you say for sure that Xeno has a long way to go?! I don't think you can know that for sure. So why even say it?! On Monday, March 24, 2014 11:21 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Oh yes, Share, you must pass on these other nuggets of understanding of life in Brahman (not an SOC, it encompasses them all). I will wait to act, speak and think, according to your assumptions, even if they are just assumed to be 95% correct. Fair enough? I was giving Xeno helpful information, as I have received in the past. He can choose to ignore it, and it is *certainly* NOT a criticism - rather an acknowledgement of his progress, and a pointer for further progress. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc wrote to Xeno: Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. Doc, imo, someone in BC, Brahman Consciousness, would never say something like this to another person. In particular the bit about having a long way to go. Not to mention the bit about saying what state of consciousness another person is in! Can I absolutely know either of these for sure? No. But I'm 95% sure. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:15 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
well its all in how you look at it - I don't view her actions as knee jerk - she was looking out for her son, who told her, by the way, If I want to join a cult, I'll start my own. This was after he had looked into the TMO himself. On Mon, 3/24/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 2:04 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care if she is or isn't - write and ask her if you want to find out I don't care either, it was just a theory. I know enough about her, thanks. She doesn't impress me in any way so far; I'm not a fan of conservative or knee-jerk. Sounds like someone who admires Sarah Palin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
Thanks for posting this - being the TM skeptic I am, I note that Goldstein initially denied that 160 pundits were missing - now evidently he has changed his mind about that. On Mon, 3/24/14, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:30 PM Of Press and Pandits The quest for controversy often overshadows the quest for truth in today’s media. But in the process that is now following after the March 11 “Dust Up” in Vedic City, Iowa, reported by Rekha Basu in Sunday’s Register I trust the ensuing discussion will serve our public interest. So I thank Rekha Basu for making her first trip to our community in Vedic City, which has been established for 17 years and for beginning the overdue process of informing Iowa of what is going on in our unique piece of this great State. First, some facts. On Friday, I provided to Rekhu the budget on the Pandit project. She advised me that it was unfortunately too late to be included in the Sunday edition. So I summarize it now for you: • $14 million dollars to build the Pandit campus facilities, including the residences and common building — all of them modern, custom designed and built, modular units. • The monthly costs to operate the project, including stipends, wages, food, repair, maintenance, G and A, and Pandit travel to and from India, etc. averaged $600,000 per month in 2013. • All these costs are covered by donations from numerous benefactors to the non-profit 501c)3) educational organization that runs the project, for which I have served as counsel for the last 12 years.• The four years before the first Pandit arrived in the U.S. in 2007 were spent laying out the design of the program and facilities,in construction, on logistics and getting the necessary government approvals from the US State Department, USCIS and Indian authorities after numerous meetings, memos and discussions for which I earned many frequent flier miles. It would be nice if the facilities were grander, the stipends larger, and the weather warmer. And it would be nice, if unrealistic, to presume we could anticipate all the myriad challenges that such an unprecedented cultural exchange might engender. But after seven-and-a-half years, and considering the reasonable financial constraints and cross-cultural differences, I personally don’t think it fair to say we are doing badly. But that is for you to decide. The fact is that after 2,499 days of apparently non-newsworthy peace, one morning recently, a small minority of the Pandits on the campus behaved quite badly (it appears that about a dozen threw rocks) when they perceived that the Sheriff was taking away their leader and friend to jail for some unknown criminal act. The Sheriff was not, in fact, there for that purpose, but merely as a precaution to assist the administrators who were returning that individual to India for an internal administrative breach of his authority. But that was the group’s perception and their unfortunate reaction. The lesson: The Sheriff won’t be requested to assist in such a process in the future. We will do better next time and we thank Sheriff Morton for his exemplary and professional restraint. And those behaving badly have now been removed from the campus. The religious vocation (“Monk or Nun”) visa they have been issued by USCIS, which has been very carefully reviewed in each individual case by the State Department and USCIS prior to issuance (2,600 visas in all to date), strictly confines by its terms what the Pandit can do, where they can do it, and what the compensation is. They are only to engage, on a full-time basis, in their religious vocation of meditation, Vedic performances, and Vedic study. It is not hard labor or labor of any kind. No other activity, secular or non-secular, is permissible. And their stated activities can only take place on the USCIS-approved campus in Vedic City. They are to be provided $200 per month in cash compensation and their room and board, living expenses, medical care, and transport. The campus was inspected and approved by USCIS at the commencement of the program and in subsequent visits by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Simply put, foreign nationals on these Non-Immigrant Visas do not have the same rights that American citizens have. They are limited by the law and by common sense. As Sheriff Morton noted, some farmers have been confronted by Pandits leaving the compound (contrary to the impression the Basu article leaves that this is not possible). What the Sheriff was kind of enough not to note were the details of those stories, e.g., two Pandits who went for a walk in the countryside opened up the door to a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Jim, have you ever tried to imagine how YOU might appear to someone who doesn't buy you're I'm enlightened spiel? Which, last time I checked, was...wait for it...everybody? What would such a person -- again, pretty much everybody -- think of a guy who claims not only to be enlightened, but more enlightened than pretty much everyone he interacts with, but who also has no qualms about posing as a woman here on Fairfield Life for many months? What should such a person think about that guy never owning up to it, even though we have the written proof that enlightened_dawn11 was you, because you posted a song copyrighted to Jim Flanegin under that alias? What could *motivate* a person to need to create an online identity (god, I *hope* it's only online) as an enlightened person, and attempt to maintain that image for years, while consistently acting like a real dick? Spin this for me, Jimbo. Explain to me how acting like a dick personifies the image of enlightenment you want to educate us about. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC lol - yeah, you think a lot of things. Might want to examine a few of those calcified ideas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I thought the enlightened were beyond worry. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Just a reminder--even if the Quiet Time program had remained in her son's school, her son wouldn't have been required to learn TM. So there was more to what she did than just looking out for her son. well its all in how you look at it - I don't view her actions as knee jerk - she was looking out for her son, who told her, by the way, If I want to join a cult, I'll start my own. This was after he had looked into the TMO himself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools File under scientology and keep it out of schools. The bottom line. A perfect description of TM, and in only nine words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Doctordumbass --- SHARE WROTE: Doc wrote to Xeno: Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. Doc, imo, someone in BC, Brahman Consciousness, would never say something like this to another person. In particular the bit about having a long way to go. Not to mention the bit about saying what state of consciousness another person is in! Can I absolutely know either of these for sure? No. But I'm 95% sure. Go figure! TURQUOISEBEE WROTE: Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you flower fully the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that God is love. SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) DOCTORDUMBASS WROTE: Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ANARTAXIUS WROTE: The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. I think the good doctor has made an error, I am not in 'Cosmic Consciousness'. I did have an experience like this over a third of a century ago. After learning TM, inner silence did grow pretty much according to the benchmark formula; it started to be evident after about 6 months. After five years or so it was extraordinarily strong. And then it vanished, and it never has returned. At the time, I thought I had fallen back to square one. It was a downer for sure. A dark era. Some people might call this the dark night of the soul, except I was never convinced there was such a thing as a soul. For the purpose of this post it would be good to assume I am solidly at square one. The good doctor made a mistake here. After so much time it is pretty clear that the experience of inner unbounded awareness is not going to flower. I also think the doctor misread my meaning in my comments about the character of the process of enlightenment having the nature of the song form A B A. It is easy to have a different understanding of what someone says than the person who said it has, so there is no blame here. A, being in that post representing ordinary awareness, and B the spiritual path, I implied that B led to A. But it was not a comparison, in my mind (which is not the doctor's mind). Here is what I meant, but anyone is allowed to have a different interpretation. B, the spiritual path is not a reality, it is rather a set of ideas and practices that supposedly will get us to reality, or to a greater awareness of reality. It is thus that B not a truth, but a strategy. If the strategy works we find B is not really real. We find A is real. Thus B never really was real. There is no comparison here. I was implying that people get caught up in the spiritual path; after all we have all these religions floating about (and there is we posters here at FFL). B does not lead to A, it destroys B, and the idea that there was something beyond A. It is an auto destructor if you will. In other words B is the flowering of a contaminant in A, as we come to B via A. In pursuing B the contaminant is destroyed, or rather seen through, and you end up with A again, minus some mental flack. If B fails, we have a religious or spiritual nut on our hands. When my alleged CC experience ended, I was not back at A at all even though that is what I thought at the time. I was just at another level of delusion and rather miserable in it. My attention, which had been very inward for years, turned outward into the world. That is another story, but it is just a story. I was never implying that A and B integrate. But as the good doctor says there is plenty to clarify and discuss, exactly what are the 'relative merits' of Brahman? It appears I have plenty to look forward to. And if I am going to look
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
It's funny, on many occasions Barry has tried to browbeat me about bringing up things that have happened here in the past. But when he has an axe to grind--in this case demonizing Doctor Dumbass--he has no hesitation whatsoever about doing it himself. Can you say hypocrite? I think you can... Oh, and BTW, acting like a dick, in Barryspeak, means making fun of Barry. Jim, have you ever tried to imagine how YOU might appear to someone who doesn't buy you're I'm enlightened spiel? Which, last time I checked, was...wait for it...everybody? What would such a person -- again, pretty much everybody -- think of a guy who claims not only to be enlightened, but more enlightened than pretty much everyone he interacts with, but who also has no qualms about posing as a woman here on Fairfield Life for many months? What should such a person think about that guy never owning up to it, even though we have the written proof that enlightened_dawn11 was you, because you posted a song copyrighted to Jim Flanegin under that alias? What could *motivate* a person to need to create an online identity (god, I *hope* it's only online) as an enlightened person, and attempt to maintain that image for years, while consistently acting like a real dick? Spin this for me, Jimbo. Explain to me how acting like a dick personifies the image of enlightenment you want to educate us about. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC lol - yeah, you think a lot of things. Might want to examine a few of those calcified ideas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I thought the enlightened were beyond worry. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be worried about and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant reaction mode any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that claiming to be enlightened thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to prove how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
GREAT post. Only one comment, below. Uh...two comments, really. Loved the Chopra quotes. From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC skip to I think the good doctor has made an error, I am not in 'Cosmic Consciousness'. I did have an experience like this over a third of a century ago. After learning TM, inner silence did grow pretty much according to the benchmark formula; it started to be evident after about 6 months. After five years or so it was extraordinarily strong. And then it vanished, and it never has returned. At the time, I thought I had fallen back to square one. It was a downer for sure. A dark era. Some people might call this the dark night of the soul, except I was never convinced there was such a thing as a soul. For the purpose of this post it would be good to assume I am solidly at square one. The good doctor made a mistake here. After so much time it is pretty clear that the experience of inner unbounded awareness is not going to flower. Very similar to my own experience, except that my periods of 'CC' didn't last years. And they came and went many times over the period of a number of years. Lately they don't come at all, but I don't miss them. Inner unbounded awareness is overrated in my book. We know, as the result of our CC experiences, that's it there already, whether we notice it or not. Therefore, if it seems to go away, that's just us not noticing it. What does it matter whether its in the foreground of our awareness or the background? I also think the doctor misread my meaning in my comments about the character of the process of enlightenment having the nature of the song form A B A. It is easy to have a different understanding of what someone says than the person who said it has, so there is no blame here. A, being in that post representing ordinary awareness, and B the spiritual path, I implied that B led to A. But it was not a comparison, in my mind (which is not the doctor's mind). Here is what I meant, but anyone is allowed to have a different interpretation. B, the spiritual path is not a reality, it is rather a set of ideas and practices that supposedly will get us to reality, or to a greater awareness of reality. It is thus that B not a truth, but a strategy. If the strategy works we find B is not really real. We find A is real. Thus B never really was real. There is no comparison here. I was implying that people get caught up in the spiritual path; after all we have all these religions floating about (and there is we posters here at FFL). B does not lead to A, it destroys B, and the idea that there was something beyond A. It is an auto destructor if you will. In other words B is the flowering of a contaminant in A, as we come to B via A. In pursuing B the contaminant is destroyed, or rather seen through, and you end up with A again, minus some mental flack. If B fails, we have a religious or spiritual nut on our hands. When my alleged CC experience ended, I was not back at A at all even though that is what I thought at the time. I was just at another level of delusion and rather miserable in it. My attention, which had been very inward for years, turned outward into the world. That is another story, but it is just a story. I was never implying that A and B integrate. But as the good doctor says there is plenty to clarify and discuss, exactly what are the 'relative merits' of Brahman? It appears I have plenty to look forward to. And if I am going to look forward, I have to have an idea of where forward is. Doc, what's next? I appreciate the mild support of TURQ and SHARE here, but it seems, based on comments from others on this forum, they are ill suited to lead me onward. I guess that just leaves you. Now I have gone over some of the things you have written about your enlightenment, and I admit that in my mind something seems missing from them, but that could be a egregious misunderstanding through fragmentary experience on my part. Wisdom of Chopra: Death alleviates a symphony of mortality Good health undertakes precious balance Our consciousness projects onto total acceptance of facts Evolution is the wisdom of an expression of bliss The mind requires spontaneous love The unexplainable depends on the doorway to actions Emotional intelligence nurtures karmic possibilities Everything is inside dimensionless positivity Imagination gives rise to your own observations The future meditates on the expansion of creativity The web of life reflects pure truth http://www.wisdomofchopra.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-oceanhttp://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
Using Google Earth, It looks like there is some student housing on the MUM campus consisting of modular homes [image: Inline image 1] On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 8:54 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: But it should resemble some configuration that a human being would want to live in. The compound reminded me of some sort of factory farm. It looks very similar to student housing on the MUM campus. I'm not sure it does based on this campus map.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Correction
I will humbly accept their gratitude and unlike the TMO won't try to pick their pocket, either. On Mon, 3/24/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Correction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 6:03 PM You have some more work to do, Michael, to achieve your most-laudible goal. All the kids, parents and faculty who thought that they had gained something of value from TM but were deceived will all wake up soon and thank you, as well.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
On 3/24/2014 11:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: 1. When striving to increase compensation for the pandits, only one solution seems to be visible to Goldstein and the TMO -- ask people for more money: Yes, I can see why you'd be upset about this. The more you give, the more we can do. - Zen Master Rama
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
On 3/24/2014 11:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: 3. During this whole exercise in spin and distraction, the one thing that Goldstein and company have tried *most* to distract people from is that the pandits are a *profit-creating entity*. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but MUM is a non-profit institution and so is the Global Country of World Peace.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
On 3/24/2014 11:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Same old shuck 'n jive routine. Business as usual. Reminds me of the Rama seminars where you donated a few thousand dollars, so I don't blame you for being upset. I'd be upset too if I had given $5,000 to learn the TMSP and then given Rama $10,000 and I still couldn't levitate. I guess there's a sucker born every minute. What is saddest is that I'll bet their donations actually GO UP. That's how brainwashed TMers are. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
Well, whaddya know, Barry's been trying to pull a fast one on us with that Chopra quote all along. It wasn't generated by the robot program after all. It's a genuine Chopra quote from an audiotape he made called Seeing Through the Mask of Matter. The whole tape is transcribed here: http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html Do a text search on the page for the quote: “You are not looking at the field in every wave and particle, the field is your extended body….you are a local concentration of information and energy in the wholeness that is the body of the universe.” So...you can make fun of the quote on its own terms if you like, but you can't make fun of DoctorDumbass for not knowing it was from the robot site, because it wasn't. Barry's been telling a whopping falsehood for the purpose of demonizing DoctorDumbass. Such a nice man, that Barry. Don't you think so, Share? That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
Richard, that's right. There are some vastu modular dorms for women near the women's Dome and vastu modular dorms for men near the men's Dome. What a system! I'm now going to google earth myself (-: On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:17 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Using Google Earth, It looks like there is some student housing on the MUM campus consisting of modular homes On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 8:54 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: But it should resemble some configuration that a human being would want to live in. The compound reminded me of some sort of factory farm. It looks very similar to student housing on the MUM campus. I'm not sure it does based on this campus map.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/24/2014 11:35 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Good point, especially when you take the actual meaning of mantras into account. The mantras used in TM have no semantic meaning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/24/2014 11:56 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: File under scientology and keep it out of schools. The bottom line. A perfect description of TM, and in only nine words. You seem to have done a 180 - rumor has it that you wrote the cult manifesto for Rama.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
On 3/24/2014 11:57 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Just a reminder--even if the Quiet Time program had remained in her son's school, her son wouldn't have been required to learn TM. So there was more to what she did than just looking out for her son.* * *It sort of looks like MJ is posting some fibs.* * well its all in how you look at it - I don't view her actions as knee jerk - she was looking out for her son, who told her, by the way, If I want to join a cult, I'll start my own. This was after he had looked into the TMO himself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
Duh! Judy, I figured all along that the longer quote was actually from Chopra because it was so different from the short, generated quotes. I figured turq made a mistake. Even nice people make mistakes sometimes. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, whaddya know, Barry's been trying to pull a fast one on us with that Chopra quote all along. It wasn't generated by the robot program after all. It's a genuine Chopra quote from an audiotape he made called Seeing Through the Mask of Matter. The whole tape is transcribed here: http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html Do a text search on the page for the quote: “You are not looking at the field in every wave and particle, the field is your extended body….you are a local concentration of information and energy in the wholeness that is the body of the universe.” So...you can make fun of the quote on its own terms if you like, but you can't make fun of DoctorDumbass for not knowing it was from the robot site, because it wasn't. Barry's been telling a whopping falsehood for the purpose of demonizing DoctorDumbass. Such a nice man, that Barry. Don't you think so, Share? That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be enlightened. But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Correction
You have some more work to do, Michael, to achieve your most-laudible goal. All the kids, parents and faculty who thought that they had gained something of value from TM but were deceived will all wake up soon and thank you, as well.
