[FairfieldLife] Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely targeting civilians, their low-tech, mostly homemade rockets are hard to aim. Most military analysts regard these rockets as harassment rather than a serious threat to Israel. The fighters in Gaza would gladly trade their homemade rockets for the laser-guided Cruise and Tomahawk missiles that the U.S. gives to Israel. Israel claims that its high-tech weaponry can target with pinpoint precision. Yet according to the U.N., Israeli planes, ships, tanks and bombs have killed 1,948 Palestinians — 1,402 of them civilians, including 456 children. Some 9,806 Gazans have been wounded. Israel has destroyed Gaza’s industrial sector along with whole neighborhoods, mosques, hospitals and 11,000 homes, devastating the infrastructure and creating a dire economic, humanitarian and public health crisis. Israel took out Gaza’s only power plant. This has drastically reduced the pumping of water to homes and the treatment of sewage, both of which require electricity. The lack of refrigeration has also severely affected food production. Bakeries can barely bake bread. Fiction: Israel struck because Hamas kidnapped and then killed three Israeli teens on the West Bank. Fact: Israel used the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Defamation, Spying, and Finking, was The Meissner Effect
You are giving much too credit to a poor fellow with serious Pitta un-balance. Why anyone except the Turq takes him serious is beyond me.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : He may be was sent out as a spy by the TMO to plant messages on FFL in order to try and get us to post something so we get kicked out of the dome. He won't ell us who sent him or how he got out of there that night. Once they get your mind under control it's almost impossible to sneak out at night without getting caught, so maybe he was released and sent here as a plant. Go figure. Self-hypnosis is also possible, in which a subject listens to a taped induction or plays the roles of both spy and confidant. Trance denotes any state of awareness or consciousness other than normal waking consciousness. Trance states may occur involuntarily and unbidden. In his case he may not even realize he is under mind-control. He thinks he has free will. Go figure. On 8/20/2014 9:30 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Defamation is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called libel, and spoken defamation is called slander. Defamation is not a crime, but it is a tort (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). A person who has been defamed can sue the person who did the defaming. Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com Learn the basics of slander and libel -- the rules about who can say what without getting into legal hot water. View on www.nolo.com Preview by Yahoo There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some 'group' rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. Unlike the people you malign here day after day. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. Unlike the people you malign here day after day. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Absolutely. MJ has polluted this place ever since his arrival and should have been thrown out long ago. Apparently Rick Archer feels he has some important function here since he allowed to brake even basic rules of FFL on a daily basis. Like the Americans say: Go figure ! There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Absolutely. MJ has polluted this place ever since his arrival and should have been thrown out long ago. Apparently Rick Archer feels he has some important function here since he allowed to brake even basic rules of FFL on a daily basis. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a fourth-floor room and might have been touched off by a broken light bulb. The cause was under investigation. Thirteen bodies were taken from the fire-blackened ruins early Wednesday, but identification was not immediately available. One American Couple Identified Four bodies were found Tuesday night, including those of an American couple identified as Hamilton Cosnahan, 70, and his wife, Lucille, 77, of Houston, the Philippine News Agency said. Major Glickman said nine of the dead were from the 186-member tour of American Legionaires and their wives, but declined to release other names until the United States Embassy in Manila could finish the process of notifying relatives. United States officials said the American Legion tour group was in the country to attend ceremonies last weekend marking the 40th anniversary of the landing of General MacArthur's forces on the island of Leyte to begin the liberation of the Philippines from the Japanese. The Pines Hotel has been among the most famous in the Philippines and the grandest in Baguio, a city designed by an American architect based on the development plan of Washington, D.C. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Right, that is the same conclusion I had come to. Right?! I mean no one said John or Maharishi cognized anything. I think it would be pretty obvious to those in the hotel that it might be time to vacate the premises with the violence that was going on all around it. This is a good example of people jumping to some wild conclusion that John or MMY cognized the bloody fire. Nowhere does anyone who was actually there make this claim. It is common sense to see what is happening (in this case outside one's hotel) and want to flee before something blows up or someone is shot. Geez, all Cowhig did was take the initiative to warn people to get their butts out of Dodge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja
The [100] millionaires course? Awoelflebater, The exclusive 'hundred millionaires course'. That was all well written about here at the time. It was before your arrival on FFL. Look in the FFL archives. Back before Maharishi passed away they put Earl Kaplan out front as a well-known spokes-person soliciting for the 100 millionaires courses to raise confidence and money from his wealthy friends of the TM movement community while at the same time that others were loading Earl's money out the backdoor behind him subsequently became well known as an example. Lot of people with money withdrew around then or became much more careful about giving money at all to the movement for specific projects. That is old history that evidently affects the present, -Buck awoelflebater writes: What is the million dollar training? Here is an index to FFL that might help fill you in.. Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Mana... View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Preview by Yahoo [Once you get in to the length of that index you can right-click on a link to open a particular post in a new tab and then also be able to come right back to the index.] sharelong60 writes: Ann, there are also women who took the million dollar training and they are called rajreshwares but I'm probably not spelling it correctly. For example, the Raj's Candace Badgett is one and I heard that she used to wear a crown sometimes. What is the million dollar training? Dear Dear FFL; Maharishi did not designate a 'Guru' to follow him; however, the Raja are like the equivalent of executive vice presidents in our modern day corporate order. And, like executive vice-presidents in any large corporations or like Lieutenant-Generals in large armies or revolutionary movements, some simply are more effective than others; there are Rajas and there are Rajas. Some are there because they are effective executives of the corporate mission and some are there because of their money and their willing essential capital support that they can altruistically give to the execution of the mission of the corporation. This was all very well planned out ahead of time by Maharishi. Get over it. It was well prepared for. They were given the authority and responsibility for the TM movement the way it is today. They certainly are learning as they go along what they in fact have inherited from Maharishi. You will notice that they rarely wear their outfits in public now. They are learning. I wish them all well and great success. A lot is riding on them. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Thanks for this explanation of the role of the Rajas. So they are more like a board of directors of a company it sounds like. This is interesting. Just because these MEN have assets does this mean they have any expertise in running a company? Or a Movement? What are these MEN'S backgrounds? Can you provide a list of who they are and how long they remain or have remained on the board? You need at least a million in gifts to the Movement to qualify? How often do they get together? Now I am interested in this group of MEN who, apparently, due to their financial status and willingness to give to the Movement have been asked to wear robes and crowns. Tell me more. alexander_stanley@... wrote : When the whole raja thing came about, people came up to me on more than one occasion and asked what it was like to be the brother of a raja. My reply was that it's exactly like not being the brother of a raja, except now people come up to me and ask what it's like to be the brother of a raja. I was tempted to have a t-shirt printed with, My brother became a raja, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. I am sure you have taken some indirect, and perhaps direct, flak about this Raja business. And because I like you (even though I don't really know you) I always am aware that when I make a comment about Rajas that your brother is one and it makes me feel just a teeny bit guilty. However, the Raja concept is one I have a hard time wrapping my proverbial head around because: A) Their wardrobe is preposterous B) There don't appear to be any female Rajas (maybe they declined the option, seeing as the wardrobe is not good). C) The idea of this hierarchical monarchy business just seems so strange and elitist and transparent since it's based on monetary contributions. D) I'm jealous and really want to wear a white robe emblazoned with gold embroidery.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Excellent piece Anartax, with a number of excellent points. As a footnote, I have learned a great deal here on FFL, much of the knowledge I have gleaned here is responsible for my current attitude about TM and all things TMish. And that knowledge was not just the sexual stuff about Marshy that Rick helped to uncover, nor just the stories Barry, Curtis, Edg and Sal have told, but even more learning to see and hear the bizarre sycophantic attitudes of Buck, Doc, steve, feste and especially Nabby. They more than anyone have shown me the dangers of what kind of mind screw TM can be. Thanks for seeing both sides Anartax. From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. In the United States, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth, which is usually specifically referred to as 'proving malice'. How do you legally define 'a spiritual people and group'? I still do practice TM, but what MJ says does not bother me. I think he has a 'chip on his shoulder', but quite a lot of what he says is dead on accurate. You also have to consider satire and parody, which humourless people, especially humourless spiritual people, simply do not get. If defamation applies to a person, then it seems doubtful it can apply to a group, unless it is a bad ass corporation, which presumably is a 'person' under US law. MJ might have more of a problem in the United Kingdom than here. The movement does generally poor quality science. It has quirky and strange leaders. It has bizarre, unprovable beliefs. It has occasionally done some good things. It has done some rather questionable things. As an organisation it acts like a cult. It has laudable goals, on paper, but those goals do not seem to be realised en mass or in the lives of its leaders. MJ is not publishing his material in very public places. Fairfield life only has 1555 members, most of which are not active now. Movement leaders are to some extent public figures, and are fair game. You yourself Buck defame all those who oppose TM, perhaps we should sue you, that ISIS-like mentality could be very dangerous given full reign. I do not oppose TM, but its actual value in the universe needs to be more rigorously defined, its dangers delimited, and an accurate comparison with other meditation systems needs to be done so that its claims are not based on mere rhetoric. All these things could be accomplished if there is the will to find out rather than just the will to believe. Because enlightenment only reveals what you already knew all along, how could any damage be done by what anyone says? By definition, in this 'spiritual' circle, all knowledge a person has prior to 'full' enlightenment is delusion, so how can criticising a false description of reality be defamatory? Even if it were true what M said, every word, was true, you would need to show that those interpreting those words were free from delusion. How would you show you were free from delusion? I always assume that the basis of our arguments here are insanity. FFL is one of the primary insane asylums for spiritual people. We talk back and forth, and almost nobody changes or learns anything (actually I did learn some things from Barry). This is because spiritual philosophies are basically untrue. At best they can trick you into greater clarity, but most often they ensnare one ever more deeply. If you are sharp, wily as a fox, you might cross over the river and return to the same shore. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Defamation is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called libel, and spoken defamation is called slander. Defamation is not a crime, but it is a tort (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). A person who has been defamed can sue the person who did the defaming. Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com Learn the basics of slander and libel -- the rules about who can say what without getting into legal hot water. View on www.nolo.comPreview by Yahoo There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some 'group' rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Whatever Nabby said or implied, imo it does not justify your going on a maligning spree, maligning people who aren't here to defend themselves for actions they may or may not have done decades ago. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:36 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a fourth-floor room and might have been touched off by a broken light bulb. The cause was under investigation. Thirteen bodies were taken from the fire-blackened ruins early Wednesday, but identification was not immediately available. One American Couple Identified Four bodies were found Tuesday night, including those of an American couple identified as Hamilton Cosnahan, 70, and his wife, Lucille, 77, of Houston, the Philippine News Agency said. Major Glickman said nine of the dead were from the 186-member tour of American Legionaires and their wives, but declined to release other names until the United States Embassy in Manila could finish the process of notifying relatives. United States officials said the American Legion tour group was in the country to attend ceremonies last weekend marking the 40th anniversary of the landing of General MacArthur's forces on the island of Leyte to begin the liberation of the Philippines from the Japanese. The Pines Hotel has been among the most famous in the Philippines and the grandest in Baguio, a city designed by an American architect based on the development plan of Washington, D.C. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Right, that is the same conclusion I had come to. Right?! I mean no one said John or Maharishi cognized anything. I think it would be pretty obvious to those in the hotel that it might be time to vacate the premises with the violence that was going on all around it. This is a good example of people jumping to some wild conclusion that John or MMY cognized the bloody fire. Nowhere does anyone who
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph Preview by Yahoo
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What happened to the world is as you are deary? There is no maligning going on except in your mind. I say again, if I were relating stories about TM neganauts, you would be breathless for details. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. Unlike the people you malign here day after day. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out
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salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
What happened to the world is as you are deary? There is no maligning going on except in your mind. I say again, if I were relating stories about TM neganauts, you would be breathless for details. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. Unlike the people you malign here day after day. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja
And you wonder why I defame the Movement!?!?!?! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja The [100] millionaires course? Awoelflebater, The exclusive 'hundred millionaires course'. That was all well written about here at the time. It was before your arrival on FFL. Look in the FFL archives. Back before Maharishi passed away they put Earl Kaplan out front as a well-known spokes-person soliciting for the 100 millionaires courses to raise confidence and money from his wealthy friends of the TM movement community while at the same time that others were loading Earl's money out the backdoor behind him subsequently became well known as an example. Lot of people with money withdrew around then or became much more careful about giving money at all to the movement for specific projects. That is old history that evidently affects the present, -Buck awoelflebater writes: What is the million dollar training? Here is an index to FFL that might help fill you in.. Fairfield Life Fairfield Life Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Mana... View on groups.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo [Once you get in to the length of that index you can right-click on a link to open a particular post in a new tab and then also be able to come right back to the index.] sharelong60 writes: Ann, there are also women who took the million dollar training and they are called rajreshwares but I'm probably not spelling it correctly. For example, the Raj's Candace Badgett is one and I heard that she used to wear a crown sometimes. What is the million dollar training? Dear Dear FFL; Maharishi did not designate a 'Guru' to follow him; however, the Raja are like the equivalent of executive vice presidents in our modern day corporate order. And, like executive vice-presidents in any large corporations or like Lieutenant-Generals in large armies or revolutionary movements, some simply are more effective than others; there are Rajas and there are Rajas. Some are there because they are effective executives of the corporate mission and some are there because of their money and their willing essential capital support that they can altruistically give to the execution of the mission of the corporation. This was all very well planned out ahead of time by Maharishi. Get over it. It was well prepared for. They were given the authority and responsibility for the TM movement the way it is today. They certainly are learning as they go along what they in fact have inherited from Maharishi. You will notice that they rarely wear their outfits in public now. They are learning. I wish them all well and great success. A lot is riding on them. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Thanks for this explanation of the role of the Rajas. So they are more like a board of directors of a company it sounds like. This is interesting. Just because these MEN have assets does this mean they have any expertise in running a company? Or a Movement? What are these MEN'S backgrounds? Can you provide a list of who they are and how long they remain or have remained on the board? You need at least a million in gifts to the Movement to qualify? How often do they get together? Now I am interested in this group of MEN who, apparently, due to their financial status and willingness to give to the Movement have been asked to wear robes and crowns. Tell me more. alexander_stanley@... wrote : When the whole raja thing came about, people came up to me on more than one occasion and asked what it was like to be the brother of a raja. My reply was that it's exactly like not being the brother of a raja, except now people come up to me and ask what it's like to be the brother of a raja. I was tempted to have a t-shirt printed with, My brother became a raja, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. I am sure you have taken some indirect, and perhaps direct, flak about this Raja business. And because I like you (even though I don't really know you) I always am aware that when I make a comment about Rajas that your brother is one and it makes me feel just a teeny bit guilty. However, the Raja concept is one I have a hard time wrapping my proverbial head around because: A) Their wardrobe is preposterous B) There don't appear to be any female Rajas (maybe they declined the option, seeing as the wardrobe is not good). C) The idea of this hierarchical monarchy business just seems so strange and elitist and transparent since it's based on monetary contributions. D) I'm jealous and really want to wear a white robe emblazoned with gold embroidery. awoelflebater@... wrote : mjackson74@... wrote : Has your bro ever let
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Oy! Michael, you sound just like the Wicked Witch of the West with that first sentence! So I guess all the negativity you see in the TMO is also just in your mind. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:52 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What happened to the world is as you are deary? There is no maligning going on except in your mind. I say again, if I were relating stories about TM neganauts, you would be breathless for details. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. Unlike the people you malign here day after day. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes unless he started it himself? And wasn't it nice of him to make sure the meditators got out but not the non-meditators? True age of enlightenment behavior. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defamation, Spying, and Finking, was The Meissner Effect
On 8/21/2014 2:53 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: You are giving much too credit to a poor fellow with serious Pitta un-balance. Why anyone except the Turq takes him serious is beyond me.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Maybe we should go with the self-hypnosis theory. He may not even realize he is in a trance state - he doesn't seem to have any connections with the TMO after thirty years - just stuff he makes up. If what he says is true, then mind control techniques can be very powerful means to control people - he said as much himself. Just look what Rama mind control did to the TurqoiseB: After Judy got to him the TB is now he's all screwed up in the head to the point he can't even have fun on a vacation in the south of France. For some reason these two informants act paranoid and defensive most of the time. Go figure. He may be was sent out as a spy by the TMO to plant messages on FFL in order to try and get us to post something so we get kicked out of the dome. He won't ell us who sent him or how he got out of there that night. Once they get your mind under control it's almost impossible to sneak out at night without getting caught, so maybe he was released and sent here as a plant. Go figure. Self-hypnosis is also possible, in which a subject listens to a taped induction or plays the roles of both spy and confidant. Trance denotes any state of awareness or consciousness other than normal waking consciousness. Trance states may occur involuntarily and unbidden. In his case he may not even realize he is under mind-control. He thinks he has free will. Go figure. On 8/20/2014 9:30 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Defamation is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called libel, and spoken defamation is called slander. Defamation is not a crime, but it is a tort (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). A person who has been defamed can sue the person who did the defaming. Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html image http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html Defamation Law Made Simple | Nolo.com http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html Learn the basics of slander and libel -- the rules about who can say what without getting into legal hot water. View on www.nolo.com http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html Preview by Yahoo There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some 'group' rules: “*Don't be unkind. *Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusingthat person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a /lot /differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, /a
[FairfieldLife] 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
Forwarded from: David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send an email to davehooper...@gmail.com with subscribe entered as the subject or message; to unsubscribe, send a reply with unsubscribe entered as the subject or message. -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
Sorry Michael, it's some void that you are trying to fill. Good luck with it. The problem with feeling that you have wasted some of your life, is that it's hard to actually move forward from that, instead of continuing to wallow in the past. Now, you are over concerned with events from 1984, and one person's account of that event, not allowing that events could have played out slightly differently, in a way that would have made a little more sense. Then jump ahead, far into the future, 2005, to gloat about a clergy member celebrating the failed takeover of a Philippines University by the TMO, as if anyone cares about it, and as if it would have really happened. But, for you, it's like a dog who just gone thrown a choice bone, and fully intends to guard it, and savor it. Oh well, that's your story, and you're sticking to it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Gotta love the Land of the Veda
I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
what a huge and disgusting joke coming from the guy who was CONSTANTLY begging for money - a billions bucks for world peace, even. What an ass and a con artist he was. From: Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions Forwarded from: David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send an email to davehooper...@gmail.com with subscribe entered as the subject or message; to unsubscribe, send a reply with unsubscribe entered as the subject or message. -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
Re: [FairfieldLife] Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
Israel’s quick embrace of an Egyptian-proposed cease-fire early Tuesday was a sign of its reticence to launch a ground invasion of Gaza and turn this into a full-scale war... '8 things you need to know about the Gaza-Israel conflict' http://www.jta.org/2014/07/15/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-gaza-israel-conflict Hamas or its military wing is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, the European Union, Egypt, Australia, Japan, and is banned in Jordan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas On 8/21/2014 1:38 AM, eustace10679 wrote: Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely targeting civilians, their low-tech, mostly homemade rockets are hard to aim. Most military analysts regard these rockets as harassment rather than a serious threat to Israel. The fighters in Gaza would gladly trade their homemade rockets for the laser-guided Cruise and Tomahawk missiles that the U.S. gives to Israel. Israel claims that its high-tech weaponry can target with pinpoint precision. Yet according to the U.N., Israeli planes, ships, tanks and bombs have killed 1,948 Palestinians — 1,402 of them civilians, including 456 children. Some 9,806 Gazans have been
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
On 8/20/2014 10:41 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson The real Michael Jackson is dead - you are debating an impostor, Steve. So, right away you already know there is an element of deception, so it logically follows that there is going to be some disassociation involved in the conversation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel image https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
with a little self reflection, Michael, you might see that this a bit of a common theme for you, this apparent need to be persecuted in some way. you always seem to be asking for it. and since Barry, has officially anointed me as knowing more about you, than you do, I guess I feel entitled...(-: love ya! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
You like Steve are drawn to my posts like moths to a flame - if you are feeling lonely why not go ask Benjy Creme for some attention? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
messenger thing Michael, messenger. people don't like messenger's for the most part, unless it's Ed McMahon showing up at your door, (unless he's died of course) filter me out,and stick with your enablers. you'll be more comfortable that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You like Steve are drawn to my posts like moths to a flame - if you are feeling lonely why not go ask Benjy Creme for some attention? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. Heh, I read it wrong the first time. Carry on. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60 writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about religion on social media. mjackson74 writes: 20 minutes before the fire started??? How the hell did he know it was going to start in 20 minutes
[FairfieldLife] Passive Aggressive Behavior, was The Meissner Effect of Consciousnes
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. On 8/21/2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 wrote: If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? This looks like a personal attack, but I'm not sure if it comes from intelligence or reasoning. Was it something I said that hit a nerve? You sound very sensitive to criticism but at the same time you don't want to engage in a dialog. This may be an example of passive-aggressive behavior. All I requested of you is to define what meditation is. Go figure. Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, sarcasm, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior
[FairfieldLife] Re: Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
None of this is a surprise. However, as long as we both arm Israel to the teeth, AND turn a blind eye to the violence they wreak on Gaza, it will continue. Anyone with a brain knows Israel is the aggressor and colonial power, here. They push those in Gaza to react violently, so that they can slaughter more of them. Sieg Heil, Israel. Assholes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely targeting civilians, their low-tech, mostly homemade rockets are hard to aim. Most military analysts regard these rockets as harassment rather than a serious threat to Israel. The fighters in Gaza would gladly trade their homemade rockets for the laser-guided Cruise and Tomahawk missiles that the U.S. gives to Israel. Israel claims that its high-tech weaponry can target with pinpoint precision. Yet according to the U.N., Israeli planes, ships, tanks and bombs have killed 1,948 Palestinians — 1,402 of them civilians, including 456 children. Some 9,806 Gazans have been wounded. Israel has destroyed Gaza’s industrial sector along with whole neighborhoods, mosques, hospitals and 11,000 homes, devastating the infrastructure and creating a dire economic, humanitarian and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja
On 8/21/2014 6:52 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And you wonder why I defame the Movement!?!?!?! You sound JELLOS. It's not our fault you don't have a million dollars to join the club. Why not start your own movement and make a million dollars? What exactly, is your problem? Just be honest. *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja The [100] millionaires course? Awoelflebater, The exclusive 'hundred millionaires course'. That was all well written about here at the time. It was before your arrival on FFL. Look in the FFL archives. Back before Maharishi passed away they put Earl Kaplan out front as a well-known spokes-person soliciting for the 100 millionaires courses to raise confidence and money from his wealthy friends of the TM movement community while at the same time that others were loading Earl's money out the backdoor behind him subsequently became well known as an example. Lot of people with money withdrew around then or became much more careful about giving money at all to the movement for specific projects. That is old history that evidently affects the present, -Buck awoelflebater writes: *What is the million dollar training?* Here is an index to FFL that might help fill you in.. Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 image https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Mana... View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Preview by Yahoo [Once you get in to the length of that index you can right-click on a link to open a particular post in a new tab and then also be able to come right back to the index.] sharelong60 writes: Ann, there are also women who took the million dollar training and they are called rajreshwares but I'm probably not spelling it correctly. For example, the Raj's Candace Badgett is one and I heard that she used to wear a crown sometimes. What is the million dollar training? Dear Dear FFL; Maharishi did not designate a 'Guru' to follow him; however, the Raja are like the equivalent of executive vice presidents in our modern day corporate order. And, like executive vice-presidents in any large corporations or like Lieutenant-Generals in large armies or revolutionary movements, some simply are more effective than others; there are Rajas and there are Rajas. Some are there because they are effective executives of the corporate mission and some are there because of their money and their willing essential capital support that they can altruistically give to the execution of the mission of the corporation. This was all very well planned out ahead of time by Maharishi. Get over it. It was well prepared for. They were given the authority and responsibility for the TM movement the way it is today. They certainly are learning as they go along what they in fact have inherited from Maharishi. You will notice that they rarely wear their outfits in public now. They are learning. I wish them all well and great success. A lot is riding on them. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Thanks for this explanation of the role of the Rajas. So they are more like a board of directors of a company it sounds like. This is interesting. Just because these MEN have assets does this mean they have any expertise in running a company? Or a Movement? What are these MEN'S backgrounds? Can you provide a list of who they are and how long they remain or have remained on the board? You need at least a million in gifts to the Movement to qualify? How often do they get together? Now I am interested in this group of MEN who, apparently, due to their financial status and willingness to give to the Movement have been asked to wear robes and crowns. Tell me more. alexander_stanley@... wrote : When the whole raja thing came about, people came up to me on more than one occasion and asked what it was like to be the brother of a raja. My reply was that it's exactly like not being the brother of a raja, except now people come up to me and ask what it's like to be the brother of a raja. I was tempted to have a t-shirt printed with, My brother became a raja, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. I am sure you have taken some indirect, and perhaps direct, flak about this Raja business. And because I like you (even though I
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a fourth-floor room and might have been touched off by a broken light bulb. The cause was under investigation. Thirteen bodies were taken from the fire-blackened ruins early Wednesday, but identification was not immediately available. One American Couple Identified Four bodies were found Tuesday night, including those of an American couple identified as Hamilton Cosnahan, 70, and his wife, Lucille, 77, of Houston, the Philippine News Agency said. Major Glickman said nine of the dead were from the 186-member tour of American Legionaires and their wives, but declined to release other names until the United States Embassy in Manila could finish the process of notifying relatives. United States officials said the American Legion tour group was in the country to attend ceremonies last weekend marking the 40th anniversary of the landing of General MacArthur's forces on the island of Leyte to begin the liberation of the Philippines from the Japanese. The Pines Hotel has been among the most famous in the Philippines and the grandest in Baguio, a city designed by an American architect based on the development plan of Washington, D.C. From:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gotta love the Land of the Veda
On 8/21/2014 7:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. You seem sort of prejudiced against Indians and Hindus and you hardly ever pass up a tragic situation if you think it will help you win a political or religious debate. You just insulted all Indian women with your sexist comment. Sometimes I wonder if you even think before you post. Where do you suppose all your religious intolerance comes from? What happened? Just be honest. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 image http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! Geez, I'm not sure these fundies get what it's all about any better than the Movement does. Sort of like a no-win situation here. https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relating to the TM Raja
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The [100] millionaires course? Awoelflebater, The exclusive 'hundred millionaires course'. That was all well written about here at the time. It was before your arrival on FFL. Look in the FFL archives. Back before Maharishi passed away they put Earl Kaplan out front as a well-known spokes-person soliciting for the 100 millionaires courses to raise confidence and money from his wealthy friends of the TM movement community while at the same time that others were loading Earl's money out the backdoor behind him subsequently became well known as an example. Lot of people with money withdrew around then or became much more careful about giving money at all to the movement for specific projects. That is old history that evidently affects the present, -Buck Thanks Buck, I'll check it out. I actually went back a few days ago and was scanning the archives only to discover much of what anyone talks about around here has been covered multiple times already. It seems some just like to keep repeating themselves! awoelflebater writes: What is the million dollar training? Here is an index to FFL that might help fill you in.. Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Mana... View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385530 Preview by Yahoo [Once you get in to the length of that index you can right-click on a link to open a particular post in a new tab and then also be able to come right back to the index.]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
On 8/21/2014 7:33 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: with a little self reflection, Michael, you might see that this a bit of a common theme for you, this apparent need to be persecuted in some way. you always seem to be asking for it. and since Barry, has officially anointed me as knowing more about you, than you do, I guess I feel entitled...(-: love ya! Maybe religious intolerance runs in his family or maybe he was brought up in an environment where race and religion are important factors. It might be difficult to rise above these kinds of prejudices for some people who are taught to discriminate against people based on their religion or ethnicity. Maybe this is the best he can do, under the circumstances, considering his current situation. But, he does seem kind of masochistic at times. It is amazing how much abuse some people can absorb - Barry is a case in point- he must have been taken to task by Judy thousands of times since 1995. A normal person would probably have slunk away years ago after such a public humiliation. It's not difficult to understand why he would adopt an alias. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 image http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement And you think these Christian fundamentalists are the real world creating a living rosary to give thanks for having been saved from the monstrosity and paganism that is TM? The God help us. LOL. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Forwarded from: David Hooper davehoopermpp@... mailto:davehoopermpp@... 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. I gotta say, I haven't listened to MMY for a long, long time but this second post in this series is another good one. That Maharishi guy certainly knew a thing or two. Take what you want and leave the rest, folks. If you can't get past despising MMY then just read the words as if they appeared out of thin air. I think Humboldt was the place to be in 1970. Yup, TM's Golden Age for sure. Before Vastu, before Rajas, before the Movement's promotion of Ayurveda or the asking of large donations or even of the Siddhis. Things were still innocent and fresh. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
On 8/21/2014 7:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You like Steve are drawn to my posts like moths to a flame - /Now this is funny/ - a guy who got up at 5:00 AM to begin posting to FFL, thinks Steve is drawn to his post like moths to a flame. if you are feeling lonely why not go ask Benjy Creme for some attention? Probably because it's more fun poking fun at you - we need a target for our unstressing and you make an easy target. Thanks for all your time and effort and attention. Now, get back to work! *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:34 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 image http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
Right. And Michael Brown was a sweet lovable *gentle giant* that never hurt anybody. While walking to his gramma's home (tobacco *free*, literally)and dreaming of college days to come, he was attacked by white, racist, bully cops who do this sort of thing every day for jollies and then shot him, execution style, while on his knees and with hands in the air, begging for his life. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:16 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: None of this is a surprise. However, as long as we both arm Israel to the teeth, AND turn a blind eye to the violence they wreak on Gaza, it will continue. Anyone with a brain knows Israel is the aggressor and colonial power, here. They push those in Gaza to react violently, so that they can slaughter more of them. Sieg Heil, Israel. Assholes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely targeting civilians, their low-tech, mostly homemade rockets are hard to aim. Most military analysts regard these rockets as harassment rather than a serious threat to Israel. The fighters in Gaza would gladly trade their homemade rockets for the laser-guided Cruise and Tomahawk missiles that the U.S. gives to Israel.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Wow, I hadn't revisited Nabby's account, (having just skimmed it the first time) Poor Michael, he's made such a heavy investment in this vendetta of his. I guess there is just too much inertia for him to change course and not see view life, (or at least all things TM related) through the bell jar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a fourth-floor room and might have been touched off by a broken light bulb. The cause was under investigation. Thirteen bodies were taken from the fire-blackened ruins early Wednesday, but identification was not immediately available. One American Couple Identified Four bodies were found Tuesday night, including those of an American couple identified as Hamilton Cosnahan, 70, and his wife, Lucille, 77, of Houston, the Philippine News Agency said. Major Glickman said nine of the dead were from the 186-member tour of American Legionaires and their wives, but declined to release other names until the United States Embassy in Manila could finish the process of notifying relatives. United States officials said the American Legion tour group was in the country to attend ceremonies last
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 7:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. Heh, I read it wrong the first time. Carry on. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Meaning that in a normal conversation if someone defames or maligns your frined and you don't speak up, then it's assumed you agree. It's the second cousin to denial - everyone who reads here knows that MJ defamed John Hegelin and Bevan that you didn't speak up. Go figure. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “*Don't be unkind. *Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusingthat person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a /lot /differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, /a straw man argument/ is a common type of argument that someone
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
No big deal - I never liked the arrogance shown by some of the Guvs, and it remains the reason I did not become one. My guardian angels looking after me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are right, my bad - re-reading it I admit it may sound as if I was talking about working at LM - what I meant was I only saw John C on one course at LM and comment about the big shots rotating thru departments and not wanting to get their hands dirty happened at MIU - I never worked at South Fallsburg or Livingston Manor. I apologize for my rude comment to you. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age You mentioned Livingston Manor, below. Like I said, they really mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was not the case at MIU - if you didn't work there you don't know shit about what went on there - I gave the facts - deal with it. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Not true, actually. I worked a couple of times for the TMO, and the guvs worked alongside us, in every department. Some of them were snobs, but what else is new? Sounds like they seriously mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If, Nappy, you are referring to J Cowhig, he was one of the TM Sidhi Administrators along with Big Bopper Bevan at my first bloc of the shitties course at Livingston Manor, back when Big Bopper was thin and fit looking. Only time I ever saw him - but I did see his sister who married Hagelin - she worked in the kitchen a few times - they had some bullshit policy that the suit and tie governor crowd was supposed to work in every department - didn't last but about two months, those folk didn't like gettin' their hands wet - I had heard a bunch of stuff about the Cowhig sisters from a gal who worked with them at South Fallsburg - in short, they got to break all the rules and got by with it since their brother was a big shot in the Movement at the time. She was engaged to Hagelin when she was working in the kitchen - sure didn't act like an engaged woman - and that was from direct observation, not innuendo. Just another worthless MIU experience. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Noone wil obviously sue him as his mental set-up is way out of proportions. As for old friends I doubt that a gentleman like John would befriend an obviously unstable kitchen-staff with Pitta-imbalance written all over him.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/20/2014 7:02 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. It looks like the anonymous informant was accusing someone of a crime but now he is backing down. Maybe he shouold keep his big pie hole shut and stop posting false accusations and innuendos about his old friends. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone whose brain cells have not been completely fried by years of TMSP would know I was not accusing anyone of anything. Nappy Nabby's first post was that an unnamed Canadian had gone to the hotel in question 20 minutes before the fire broke out and got all the TM people out. My question was - how could he have known the fire was gonna break out unless he set it himself AFTER he got the TM people out. That is the only thing that makes any logical sense. Of course that is not what happened - the implication Nappy is making is that Marshy cognized the fact that a fire would break out and sent someone to save the TM'ers. In reality if Canadian had run into the hotel and shouted Everyone get out! There is going to be a fire here in 20 minutes! The hotel management would have had him arrested and thrown out. I suspect that even the TM'ers would have thought he was unstressing his brains out and ignored him. I doubt he would have run in there and shouted Marshy sez there is gonna be a fire here later! All TM'ers
Re: [FairfieldLife] 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
On 8/21/2014 7:23 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: what a huge and disgusting joke coming from the guy who was CONSTANTLY begging for money - a billions bucks for world peace, even. What an ass and a con artist he was. You really told off Dick Mays! But, how much money have you contributed toward world peace? Just be honest. *From:* Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:07 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions *Forwarded from: *David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com mailto:davehooper...@gmail.com * **8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions* QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev To */subscribe/*, send an email to davehooper...@gmail.com mailto:davehooper...@gmail.com with subscribe entered as the subject or message; to ***/unsubscribe/*, send a reply with unsubscribe entered as the subject or message. -- /David Hooper/ /1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219/ /Romney, WV 26757 /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
On 8/21/2014 8:16 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: None of this is a surprise. However, as long as we both arm Israel to the teeth, AND turn a blind eye to the violence they wreak on Gaza, it will continue. Anyone with a brain knows Israel is the aggressor and colonial power, here. They push those in Gaza to react violently, so that they can slaughter more of them. Sieg Heil, Israel. Assholes. So, why is Hamas designated a terrorist organization if Israel is the aggressor? You seem to have some cognitive dissonance on this subject. In fact, Hamas is a wing of the ISIS terrorist sect. You are aware of this, right? Hamas or its military wing is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, the European Union, Egypt, Australia, Japan, and is banned in Jordan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely targeting civilians, their low-tech, mostly homemade rockets are hard to aim. Most military analysts regard these rockets as harassment rather than a serious threat to Israel. The fighters in Gaza would gladly trade their homemade rockets for the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
On 8/21/2014 8:33 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement And you think these Christian fundamentalists are the real world creating a living rosary to give thanks for having been saved from the monstrosity and paganism that is TM? The God help us. LOL. Do you suppose that MJ is a Christian fundamentalist? He seems to be kind of intolerant concerning Hindus and Indian religion. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Westboro Baptists posting here. Most normal people don't get worked up about a relaxation technique unless they have some kind of vested interest in winning something. Go figure. 'Comedian Offers To Fly Westboro Baptist Church To Iraq In Response To Planned Robin Williams Protest' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/westboro-baptist-church-iraq/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/adam-hills-westboro-baptist-church-iraq-robin-williams_n_5692172.html?utm_hp_ref=comedyir=Comedy *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel image https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Where I come from, silence conveys no information whatever. The interpretation of that silence, as being something significant, having meaning, is an act of the imagination. Fantasy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
On 8/21/2014 8:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Right. And Michael Brown was a sweet lovable *gentle giant* that never hurt anybody. While walking to his gramma's home (tobacco *free*, literally)and dreaming of college days to come, he was attacked by white, racist, bully cops who do this sort of thing every day for jollies and then shot him, execution style, while on his knees and with hands in the air, begging for his life. All the facts are not in yet on the killing of Michael Brown, but we pretty much know who has fired the 1500 rockets at Israeli non-combatants - rockets that were supplied by ISIS and Iran to HAMAS. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:16 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: None of this is a surprise. However, as long as we both arm Israel to the teeth, AND turn a blind eye to the violence they wreak on Gaza, it will continue. Anyone with a brain knows Israel is the aggressor and colonial power, here. They push those in Gaza to react violently, so that they can slaughter more of them. Sieg Heil, Israel. Assholes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza By Joyce Chediac on August 19, 2014 Since Israel began a military offensive in Gaza on July 8, some 2,000 Palestinians and 68 Israelis have been killed. What is going on? Why is it important to you? Fiction: Israel was exercising its “legitimate right of self-defense” in bombing Gaza. Fact: Israel has no such “right” under international law. But the Palestinians do have a legal right to resist occupation. Israel claims self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which says that states have a right to self-defense if attacked by another state. But Gaza isn’t a foreign state. It has been occupied by Israel since 1967, and 80 percent of its residents are refugees that were forced out of Israeli invaded land in 1948. Israel controls the land, sea and air borders of Gaza, the civil population registry, and the tax and revenue system. So Israel is bound by other laws. The 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention and its protocols, call Israel’s occupation forced upon the West Bank and Gaza a “belligerency,” or state of war. According to these laws, the people of Gaza have the legal right to “fight against colonial domination and alien occupation in the exercise of their right to self-determination.” Fiction: Hamas is a terrorist organization and international outlaw. Fact: Israel disregarded Hamas, the Palestinian peoples’ elected choice, and then used state terrorism to try to get them out of office. Hamas is one of many political, social, military, professional and charitable organizations in Palestinian society. It had enough popular support to win a parliamentary election in 2006 — an election which was called “free and fair” by U.S. former President Jimmy Carter and other election observers. The U.S. and Israeli governments did not like the Palestinian people’s choice, so they declared economic and military war on Hamas and Gaza. Borders were sealed, and Gaza and its people were blockaded for eight years. Since that 2006 election, Israel has waged three wars on Gaza: in 2008, 2012 and now in 2014. Military measures taken by Hamas and other organizations in Gaza have been to defend the people against this constant Israeli aggression. Fiction: Hamas started the current war by firing rockets into Israel. Fact: For 17 months Hamas fired no rockets, while Israel repeatedly violated ceasefires and then attacked full force. After a November 2012 ceasefire agreement ended eight days of Israeli attacks, not one rocket was fired into Israel from Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in February 2013. Since then, according to the Jerusalem Fund, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” (blog.thejerusalemfund.org, Feb. 5) The Centre for Research on Globalization reports that of the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013, “none … came from the Hamas government themselves, despite the widespread violations from Israeli forces.” (July 28) Hamas did not fire any rockets from November 2012 until June 30, 2014, after an Israeli plane struck Gaza. Israel could easily end the rocket strikes by stopping its attacks, lifting the blockade and letting the Palestinian people have their rights. Fiction: Gaza rockets purposely target civilians. Fact: Israel claims “pinpoint precision” for its weapons, yet its bombs hit schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances and demolished whole neighborhoods. These are war crimes. Gaza rockets have killed two Israelis. Rather than purposely
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
At least you aren't obsessing about Barry. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement And you think these Christian fundamentalists are the real world creating a living rosary to give thanks for having been saved from the monstrosity and paganism that is TM? The God help us. LOL. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
You are wearing soma tinted glasses - read Call No Man Master - that lady chronicles Marshy's descent into greed in the 1960s. Keep your illusions tho, I am sure they will make your golden years very cozy. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Forwarded from: David Hooper davehoopermpp@... 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. I gotta say, I haven't listened to MMY for a long, long time but this second post in this series is another good one. That Maharishi guy certainly knew a thing or two. Take what you want and leave the rest, folks. If you can't get past despising MMY then just read the words as if they appeared out of thin air. I think Humboldt was the place to be in 1970. Yup, TM's Golden Age for sure. Before Vastu, before Rajas, before the Movement's promotion of Ayurveda or the asking of large donations or even of the Siddhis. Things were still innocent and fresh. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
you are all idiots - he implied it and you know it - but keep your TM is All Good illusions - I know you love them - and if you think TM is so grand why don't you do the TMSP anymore? Eh? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Wow, I hadn't revisited Nabby's account, (having just skimmed it the first time) Poor Michael, he's made such a heavy investment in this vendetta of his. I guess there is just too much inertia for him to change course and not see view life, (or at least all things TM related) through the bell jar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a fourth-floor room and might have been touched off by a broken light bulb. The cause was under investigation. Thirteen bodies were taken from the fire-blackened ruins early Wednesday, but identification was not immediately available. One American Couple Identified Four bodies were found Tuesday night, including those of
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
salyavin, I should have written that you and turq, etc. are here on FFL and can defend yourselves if you choose to. Whereas, Michael is maligning people who don't even post on FFL! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. Heh, I read it wrong the first time. Carry on. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man argument is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 8:48 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Wow, I hadn't revisited Nabby's account, (having just skimmed it the first time) Poor Michael, he's made such a heavy investment in this vendetta of his. I guess there is just too much inertia for him to change course and not see view life, (or at least all things TM related) through the bell jar. So, I wonder if he will ever visit a /cult-exit counselor/. If anyone truly needs to see one I'd say it's MJ and Barry. Maybe they are crying out for help to us and maybe we can help them by drawing out all their suppressed resentments. It's been what, thirty years since the events took place and his condition seems to be only getting worse. Now he's actually in a paranoid fantasy, overly concerned about an event in which he wasn't even present and has only third-party information. Go figure. Apparently John Lennon was helped with /Primal Therapy/. Maybe they just need to shout it out - some people feel better when they have someone to talk to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM *Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. *From:* awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 *BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— * The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him out.'' The police said the fire appeared to have started in a
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Michael, so what if Nabby implied it? Lots of people have intuitions about events about to happen. Heck, even animals like horses sense when an earthquake or fire is about to happen. Basically Nabby said something positive about Maharishi and then you went on a maligning spree, maligning people who don't even post here about events that maybe happened decades ago. And tragic events at that! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are all idiots - he implied it and you know it - but keep your TM is All Good illusions - I know you love them - and if you think TM is so grand why don't you do the TMSP anymore? Eh? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Wow, I hadn't revisited Nabby's account, (having just skimmed it the first time) Poor Michael, he's made such a heavy investment in this vendetta of his. I guess there is just too much inertia for him to change course and not see view life, (or at least all things TM related) through the bell jar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on
[FairfieldLife] For all the True Believers
If only I had had this in high school, I could have saved myself a lot of stupid time wasting like TM. http://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Richard is your comment about not defending, not speaking up, is that directed to me or salyavin? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:50 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 8/21/2014 7:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. Heh, I read it wrong the first time. Carry on. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Meaning that in a normal conversation if someone defames or maligns your frined and you don't speak up, then it's assumed you agree. It's the second cousin to denial - everyone who reads here knows that MJ defamed John Hegelin and Bevan that you didn't speak up. Go figure. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you? How would a court see it? If it wasn't just a load of mythologising crap dreamt up by someone in the TMO that is. I'm just going to accuse someone, somewhere of bullshitting. If Marshy could see into the future I think the TMO would have worked out a lot differently... Straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a
[FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For all the True Believers
And yet, Michael, here you are, still wasting your time focusing on TM! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If only I had had this in high school, I could have saved myself a lot of stupid time wasting like TM. http://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 8:52 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No big deal - I never liked the arrogance shown by some of the Guvs, and it remains the reason I did not become one. My guardian angels looking after me. It's probably only natural for some people to have some resentment against authority. But, you have to remember, you don't have to like your boss, just do what they tell you to do. You can always quit and get another job or enroll at another school. This kind of negative attitude about big shots is very common in students enrolled in private religious schools - sometimes they even hate the ministers or the nuns trying to teach them. Sometimes students or workers just feel so inadequate and insignificant that they become vindictive and just plain JELLOS and want to strike out at something. It's important for them to get some counseling before they cause harm to themselves or to others. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are right, my bad - re-reading it I admit it may sound as if I was talking about working at LM - what I meant was I only saw John C on one course at LM and comment about the big shots rotating thru departments and not wanting to get their hands dirty happened at MIU - I never worked at South Fallsburg or Livingston Manor. I apologize for my rude comment to you. *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age You mentioned Livingston Manor, below. Like I said, they really mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was not the case at MIU - if you didn't work there you don't know shit about what went on there - I gave the facts - deal with it. *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Not true, actually. I worked a couple of times for the TMO, and the guvs worked alongside us, in every department. Some of them were snobs, but what else is new? Sounds like they seriously mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If, Nappy, you are referring to J Cowhig, he was one of the TM Sidhi Administrators along with Big Bopper Bevan at my first bloc of the shitties course at Livingston Manor, back when Big Bopper was thin and fit looking. Only time I ever saw him - but I did see his sister who married Hagelin - she worked in the kitchen a few times - they had some bullshit policy that the suit and tie governor crowd was supposed to work in every department - didn't last but about two months, those folk didn't like gettin' their hands wet - I had heard a bunch of stuff about the Cowhig sisters from a gal who worked with them at South Fallsburg - in short, they got to break all the rules and got by with it since their brother was a big shot in the Movement at the time. She was engaged to Hagelin when she was working in the kitchen - sure didn't act like an engaged woman - and that was from direct observation, not innuendo. Just another worthless MIU experience. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Noone wil obviously sue him as his mental set-up is way out of proportions. As for old friends I doubt that a gentleman like John would befriend an obviously unstable kitchen-staff with Pitta-imbalance written all over him.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/20/2014 7:02 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. It looks like the anonymous informant was accusing someone of a crime but now he is backing down. Maybe he shouold keep his big pie hole shut and stop posting false accusations and innuendos about his old friends. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife] Sal, are you a member?
Looks good to me http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ The Hampshire Skeptics Society HSS Info About Us Contact Us Directory Events Calendar Guest Speakers Charter Local Woo-Woo Skeptics of the Round Table Winchester Skeptics Next SitP View on www.hampshireskepti... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are all idiots - he implied it and you know it - but keep your TM is All Good illusions - I know you love them - and if you think TM is so grand why don't you do the TMSP anymore? Eh? Michael, you are reacting like a man fighting for his life here. I don't think TM is so grand, where did you get that from? I merely am pointing out to you that you created something out of nothing in this case about the fire. And what does Nabby have to do with me and your subsequent false assertions that you just made about me? Never mind, I think I'm going to give you a pass on further interaction on this subject, I can't make it any clearer and you don't seem to be able to figure out where you jumped the gun. Snippity snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 9:16 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Where I come from, silence conveys no information whatever. The interpretation of that silence, as being something significant, having meaning, is an act of the imagination. Fantasy. Actually it's a quite common assumption. If you're in a normal conversation at a cafe or a bar and someone starts to disparage a friend who isn't present, some people will speak up in their defense. Others, because of fear or because they don't care about the truth, will often just remain silent. Usually this indicates agreement. Some people just don't have strong beliefs and have never fought for what they think is right, preferring to just ignore false testimony.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
Richard, I really Like this comment, think you've gotten to the crux of the matter. And yet been gentle too. Yay! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:51 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 8/21/2014 8:52 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No big deal - I never liked the arrogance shown by some of the Guvs, and it remains the reason I did not become one. My guardian angels looking after me. It's probably only natural for some people to have some resentment against authority. But, you have to remember, you don't have to like your boss, just do what they tell you to do. You can always quit and get another job or enroll at another school. This kind of negative attitude about big shots is very common in students enrolled in private religious schools - sometimes they even hate the ministers or the nuns trying to teach them. Sometimes students or workers just feel so inadequate and insignificant that they become vindictive and just plain JELLOS and want to strike out at something. It's important for them to get some counseling before they cause harm to themselves or to others. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are right, my bad - re-reading it I admit it may sound as if I was talking about working at LM - what I meant was I only saw John C on one course at LM and comment about the big shots rotating thru departments and not wanting to get their hands dirty happened at MIU - I never worked at South Fallsburg or Livingston Manor. I apologize for my rude comment to you. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age You mentioned Livingston Manor, below. Like I said, they really mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that was not the case at MIU - if you didn't work there you don't know shit about what went on there - I gave the facts - deal with it. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Not true, actually. I worked a couple of times for the TMO, and the guvs worked alongside us, in every department. Some of them were snobs, but what else is new? Sounds like they seriously mind-fucked you, MJ. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If, Nappy, you are referring to J Cowhig, he was one of the TM Sidhi Administrators along with Big Bopper Bevan at my first bloc of the shitties course at Livingston Manor, back when Big Bopper was thin and fit looking. Only time I ever saw him - but I did see his sister who married Hagelin - she worked in the kitchen a few times - they had some bullshit policy that the suit and tie governor crowd was supposed to work in every department - didn't last but about two months, those folk didn't like gettin' their hands wet - I had heard a bunch of stuff about the Cowhig sisters from a gal who worked with them at South Fallsburg - in short, they got to break all the rules and got by with it since their brother was a big shot in the Movement at the time. She was engaged to Hagelin when she was working in the kitchen - sure didn't act like an engaged woman - and that was from direct observation, not innuendo. Just another worthless MIU experience. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Noone wil obviously sue him as his mental set-up is way out of proportions. As for old friends I doubt that a gentleman like John would befriend an obviously unstable kitchen-staff with Pitta-imbalance written all over him.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/20/2014 7:02 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusing that person of those allegations. It looks like the anonymous informant was accusing someone of a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : At least you aren't obsessing about Barry. Do you have anything to say about these Christians who you think have seen the light? Forget bawee. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the link I provided you with is an example of how the real world looks at TM, your Marshy and the Movement And you think these Christian fundamentalists are the real world creating a living rosary to give thanks for having been saved from the monstrosity and paganism that is TM? The God help us. LOL. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: University of the East Commemoration How do you fill a void? A study of Michael _ Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : God how I love it! https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel University of the East https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel To commemorate the ouster of the Maharishi from the University now 21 years ago, students and faculty formed an annual living Rosary to remember and give thanks... View on www.ue.edu.ph https://www.ue.edu.ph/manila/main.html?page=academiclink=chapel Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are wearing soma tinted glasses - read Call No Man Master - that lady chronicles Marshy's descent into greed in the 1960s. Keep your illusions tho, I am sure they will make your golden years very cozy. You are a man of extremes, MJ. I am about the last person here who holds Maharishi or TM under any ideas that smack of illusion. Whatever lady you are talking about is just that, one lady with an opinion. But because it supports your current beliefs then all other opinions are invalid. Like I said, divorce the message from the man and maybe you'll be able to find your way through life that doesn't include relegating everything to either black or white. My golden years, if I make it there, will include many things but perhaps least of all reminiscing about TM. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Forwarded from: David Hooper davehoopermpp@... mailto:davehoopermpp@... 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. I gotta say, I haven't listened to MMY for a long, long time but this second post in this series is another good one. That Maharishi guy certainly knew a thing or two. Take what you want and leave the rest, folks. If you can't get past despising MMY then just read the words as if they appeared out of thin air. I think Humboldt was the place to be in 1970. Yup, TM's Golden Age for sure. Before Vastu, before Rajas, before the Movement's promotion of Ayurveda or the asking of large donations or even of the Siddhis. Things were still innocent and fresh. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
[FairfieldLife] Calculate Your Birthday according to Jyotish Lunar Calendar ~ Janma Tithi
Calculate Your Birthday according to Jyotish Lunar Calendar This program calculates the tithi* for your birthday (Janma Tithi) for any year you want (which is the tithi that was present when you were born). Calculate your tithi birthday - Janma Tithi - for any year at: http://www.janmatithi.in/ http://www.janmatithi.in/ It also gives you the nearest festivals for your easy reference on standard Indian lunar calendars. The calculation of Tithi birthday, as per Indian Lunar calendar, has been our tradition. But, when it comes to our own birthdays, we are not much aware of our Indian Lunar Tithi birthdays. This website is an effort to encourage more Indians to celebrate birthdays based on our tradition. Mapping festivals to the tithi dates also helps us track our birthdays by referring to any Calendars in our homes. Festival references have been given from websites like www.DrikPanchang.com http://www.DrikPanchang.com , which is a wonderful source of information. * Tithi ~ In Vedic timekeeping, a Tithi (also spelled thithi) is a lunar day, or the time it takes for the longitudinal angle between the moon and the sun to increase by 12°. Tithis begin at varying times of day and vary in duration from approximately 19 to approximately 26 hours. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
On 8/21/2014 9:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are wearing soma tinted glasses - read Call No Man Master - that lady chronicles Marshy's descent into greed in the 1960s. Keep your illusions tho, I am sure they will make your golden years very cozy. Call No Man Master: I began to think that Maharishi's meditation, and possibly all forms of mantric meditation, had something of a similar nature behind them. But in the case of Maharishi, the great boost that was given at the beginning, by the power he seemed to be able to call upon through the tradition of Shankara, was almost like the tail of a rocket launcher, that gets the missile off the ground at a great rate, then drops back as soon as it is under way on its own power. Hence the ease and delight with which people meditated at their initiation and for a few days afterwards. Call No Man Master by Joyce Collin-Smith *From:* awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:40 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : *Forwarded from: *David Hooper davehoopermpp@... mailto:davehoopermpp@... * **8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions* QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. I gotta say, I haven't listened to MMY for a long, long time but this second post in this series is another good one. That Maharishi guy certainly knew a thing or two. Take what you want and leave the rest, folks. If you can't get past despising MMY then just read the words as if they appeared out of thin air. I think Humboldt was the place to be in 1970. Yup, TM's Golden Age for sure. Before Vastu, before Rajas, before the Movement's promotion of Ayurveda or the asking of large donations or even of the Siddhis. Things were still innocent and fresh. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev -- /David Hooper/ /1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219/ /Romney, WV 26757 /
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 9:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you are all idiots - he implied it and you know it - but keep your TM is All Good illusions - I know you love them - and if you think TM is so grand why don't you do the TMSP anymore? Eh? Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. It has not been established that someone is an idiot for not practicing the TMSP. *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age Wow, I hadn't revisited Nabby's account, (having just skimmed it the first time) Poor Michael, he's made such a heavy investment in this vendetta of his. I guess there is just too much inertia for him to change course and not see view life, (or at least all things TM related) through the bell jar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So get Nabby to tell you why he claimed that M sent someone to warn everyone about the fire - the implication was clear that he believes Marshy knew the fire was going to occur - no fantasy about my ability to see Nabby bs and call him on it. Have you decided to take up Judy's post of corrector of everyone? Really? C'mon you can do better than this MJ. Judy isn't the only one here who had/has the desire to see things correctly described and interpreted. Just admit it, you jumped to all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Here is Nabby's account. Now show me where there is anything said about cognizing or having some sort of vision: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:21 PM *Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age I don’t remember whether anyone died it in, but it was serious. People were clinging to balconies and had to be rescued with fire truck ladders. Some non-meditators were hurt in the fire. Forgot his name, but Maharishis smallish, friendly Canadian secretary rushed into the hotel 20 minutes before the fire started, ran through the corridors on all floors and ordered everyone out immediately. All meditators got out unhurt. *From:* awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : No mention of someone running in 20 minutes before and alerting everyone as Nappy alleges. It is pure fiction and fantasy on his part. Exactly, just like you harping on the cognition crap was pure fiction and fantasy on your part. Jesus, can no one be objective around this joint? Everyone seems to be on some sort of mission to nowhere. 9 FROM U.S. AMONG 17 DEAD IN PHILIPPINE FIRE Published: October 25, 1984 *BAGUIO, the Philippines, Oct. 24— * The authorities today retrieved the bodies of more victims of a blaze that swept through a luxury hotel and killed 17 people, nine of them Americans visiting for the 40th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines. At least 51 people, including 36 members of the American Legion tour group, were injured in the blaze, authorities said. The Pines Hotel, a wood- framed, four-story structure situated in this hillside tourist resort 125 miles north of Manila, was gutted. ''The Americans have all been accounted for,'' said Maj. Barry Glickman, a spokesman at Clark Air Force Base, about 80 miles to the south, where the injured Americans - many of them elderly and infirm - were airlifted, along with unhurt members of the tour. The conditions of the other injured people, some of whom were hospitalized in the Baguio area, were not known. Fire Burned Through Night The fire broke out at about 11:30 P.M. Tuesday and burned through the night. Officials estimated that some 330 guests were inside the 423-room hotel at the time, including the American Legion group and a 110-member Asian women's delegation. A number of the victims jumped from windows to escape the thick smoke and flames. Eight guests fled to the roof, where they were trapped for hours until being lifted to safety by a United States Air Force helicopter, officials said. ''I was awakened by a knock on the door and all I saw was smoke,'' said Henry Callihan of Houston. ''We had to get two room boys to break down the door of a crippled friend to get him
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 9:35 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: salyavin, I should have written that you and turq, etc. are here on FFL and can defend yourselves if you choose to. Whereas, Michael is maligning people who don't even post on FFL! Apparently he has a vested interest in this debate. Otherwise why would he be maligning people he doesn't even know or has never even met. Maybe he is getting agitated and grasping at straws to win the debate. A person has to sink pretty low and be pretty desperate to use a tragedy like a hotel fire in order to prove they are right about something totally unrelated. It's called the straw man argument. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:00 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, Michael said that people here defame you such as he has been accused of defaming. I was making the point that he defames or maligns people who aren't here to defend themselves, if they want. And I never said that you malign people. Heh, I read it wrong the first time. Carry on. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:48 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, the important difference is that you, turq, Edg and Sal are here to defend yourselves. = WTF? Defend myself against what? Who put you in charge of what FFL is all about? = FWIW I'm here to enjoy myself and read movie reviews, if anyone objects to anything I've got to say about anything else it bothers me not one jot, it isn't my fault that a majority on here abandoned critical thinking decades ago, maybe people should learn the difference between fair minded analysis and unprovoked attack. = If I was as sensitive as a lot of people round here I would have split ages ago after some of Willy and Jimbo's posts but they don't register as the products of intelligent and reasonable people so I couldn't care less. It's like expecting goldfish to form a rational opinion, why waste energy? = Unlike the people you malign here day after day. = I've never maligned anyone. Secondly, you malign people for events that took place decades ago. Whereas people here are at least focusing on what you are doing in the present. I think it's wrong to malign people for what they did in the distant past. I think it's very wrong to malign people who aren't present to defend themselves. On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: then it needs to be applied universally - plenty of people have defamed me, Barry, Curtis, Edg, Sal and so on - and who was it suggested that we, the neganauts be killed with drone strikes? *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age There should be rules against posting willful malicious defamation like MJ quite evidently does publicly on the internet, as on FFL. Actually there are some group rules: “*Don't be unkind. *Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity.. ” Yep, MJ's is pure and methodical malicious defamation of a spiritual people and group, with intent. Punditster writes MJ: You sound kind of defensive this morning! Why not just admit that you are a fink and an informant trying to cause trouble by planting false-flag messages and reporting to Barry the science writer? Go figure. His just saying that good peer-review published science on meditation and spirituality is no good is evident ignorant hogwash. It is part of his defaming of TM pure and simple. What he publishes is not even grey-water, it is pure straight manure runoff. -Buck Look, his first facts as premise in these recent attempts at historical fiction are simply wrong. For instance, Bevan actually has lost weight. -Buck MJ posts innuendo? Way more than that, what MJ posts is pure and straight defamation. -Buck sharelong60writes: Michael, you used innuendo to make two very damaging allegations about a leader of the TMO. I simply asked if you were actually accusingthat person of those allegations. punditster writes: salyavin808 wrote: sharelong60 writes: Michael, it sounds like you're accusing John Cowig of starting that fire. Are you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
On 8/21/2014 7:34 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance. If anyone were to sue anyone around here they probably wouldn't sue someone with no money or obvious income, even if they were mentally balanced. They would probably go after Yahoo! itself or the owner of the site. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://adrindia.org/content/crimes-against-women-including-rape-cases-declared-mps-mlas-and-candidates http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 image http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For all the True Believers
On 8/21/2014 9:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If only I had had this in high school, I could have saved myself a lot of stupid time wasting like TM. Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. It has not been established that you attended or graduated from a high school. Maybe that's the reason you took no courses at MIU. Maybe you wasted too much time on TM instead of pursuing an education. What happened? Just be honest. http://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
What a scurrilous accusation! What libel! What innuendo! What slander! The only thing good about your post is that I am here on FFL to defend myself!!! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions
you just finished reminiscing about your own Golden Years of TM From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are wearing soma tinted glasses - read Call No Man Master - that lady chronicles Marshy's descent into greed in the 1960s. Keep your illusions tho, I am sure they will make your golden years very cozy. You are a man of extremes, MJ. I am about the last person here who holds Maharishi or TM under any ideas that smack of illusion. Whatever lady you are talking about is just that, one lady with an opinion. But because it supports your current beliefs then all other opinions are invalid. Like I said, divorce the message from the man and maybe you'll be able to find your way through life that doesn't include relegating everything to either black or white. My golden years, if I make it there, will include many things but perhaps least of all reminiscing about TM. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8/21-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Forwarded from: David Hooper davehoopermpp@... 8/21/14-Maharishi: We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded not by material possessions QUESTION: I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our MAHARISHI: Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question. We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness. I gotta say, I haven't listened to MMY for a long, long time but this second post in this series is another good one. That Maharishi guy certainly knew a thing or two. Take what you want and leave the rest, folks. If you can't get past despising MMY then just read the words as if they appeared out of thin air. I think Humboldt was the place to be in 1970. Yup, TM's Golden Age for sure. Before Vastu, before Rajas, before the Movement's promotion of Ayurveda or the asking of large donations or even of the Siddhis. Things were still innocent and fresh. ~Growth of Consciousness (Videotape) -- August 1970~ ~Humboldt State University, Arcata, USA~ Jai Guru Dev -- David Hooper 1000 Purusha Place, Suite 219 Romney, WV 26757
[FairfieldLife] Day in the Life Produciton Notes
Parts 1 and 2 were written while listening to Sgt. Pepper's and Cat Stevens' Tea for the Tillerman and a little Honky Chateau from E John.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sal, are you a member?
Not heard of them but it's just up the road, may mosey along for a meeting. I see someone is doing a lecture on their time in a fundie Christian sect, sounds like my cup of Rosie! The cartoon page is good too: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Looks good to me http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ The Hampshire Skeptics Society http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ HSS Info About Us Contact Us Directory Events Calendar Guest Speakers Charter Local Woo-Woo Skeptics of the Round Table Winchester Skeptics Next SitP View on www.hampshireskepti... http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For all the True Believers
On 8/21/2014 9:45 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And yet, Michael, here you are, still wasting your time focusing on TM! It's been what, thirty years since he was first interested in learning TM and working for the movement? You can tell when guys get old - they talk more about their past than they talk about their future. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If only I had had this in high school, I could have saved myself a lot of stupid time wasting like TM. http://www.crispian.net/PTIR/Nonsense.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Meissner Effect of Consciousness and its spiritual Darshan The Dawn of a New Age
On 8/21/2014 9:49 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard is your comment about not defending, not speaking up, is that directed to me or salyavin? It's a comment meant for everyone that seems passive-aggressive. I think I actually got the phrase from Judy on Google Groups years ago. In a conversation between people, if someone maligns a friend, some people will speak up in their defense and some will not. The silence is usually taken to indicate agreement, otherwise I guess they would speak up in the friend's defense. At least where I come from. Quite often in a debate, what people don't say is as significant as what they do say. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. On 8/21/2014 9:16 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Where I come from, silence conveys no information whatever. The interpretation of that silence, as being something significant, having meaning, is an act of the imagination. Fantasy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Actually it's a quite common assumption. If you're in a normal conversation at a cafe or a bar and someone starts to disparage a friend who isn't present, some people will speak up in their defense. Others, because of fear or because they don't care about the truth, will often just remain silent. Usually this indicates agreement. Some people just don't have strong beliefs and have never fought for what they think is right, preferring to just ignore false testimony.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
MJ need not worry, it's not considered civilized to procecute mentally unbalanced individuals. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/21/2014 7:34 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance. If anyone were to sue anyone around here they probably wouldn't sue someone with no money or obvious income, even if they were mentally balanced. They would probably go after Yahoo! itself or the owner of the site. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
On 8/21/2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! Maybe he is just confused and using any information he can in order to win the debate. Grasping at straws, even if it makes him sound like an informant attempting to control your mind with propaganda. When some people get desperate and want to win at any cost and will takes sides with anything. It's called confirmation bias: Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html image http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
salyavin, how about acupuncture and chiropractic? Also placebos? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:04 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Leg Bone Found on Mars?
What do you think? http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0 http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda
You and Benjamin Creme are DEFINITELY safe, Willy Tex too. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotta love the Land of the Veda MJ need not worry, it's not considered civilized to procecute mentally unbalanced individuals. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/21/2014 7:34 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Thankfully I only see the two first lines of your posts and never read the rest, but I can assure you nobody will sue someone obviously out of mental balance. If anyone were to sue anyone around here they probably wouldn't sue someone with no money or obvious income, even if they were mentally balanced. They would probably go after Yahoo! itself or the owner of the site. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I guess the Indian guv'ment will sue me for defamation now. Angry citizens believe that politicians, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, are being disingenuous when they promise to toughen laws and speed up the prosecution of rapists and perpetrators of crime against women. How else, they ask, can political parties in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 candidates who declared they had been charged with rape? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20863860 How India treats its women The death of the woman who was the victim of a gang rape in Delhi ignites debate about why India treats women so badly, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas. View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sal, are you a member?
Oh man that is one of my favorite Larson comics! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sal, are you a member? Not heard of them but it's just up the road, may mosey along for a meeting. I see someone is doing a lecture on their time in a fundie Christian sect, sounds like my cup of Rosie! The cartoon page is good too: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Looks good to me http://www.hampshireskeptics.org/ The Hampshire Skeptics Society HSS Info About Us Contact Us Directory Events Calendar Guest Speakers Charter Local Woo-Woo Skeptics of the Round Table Winchester Skeptics Next SitP View on www.hampshireskepti... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Ferguson, was Facts you should know about the fighting in Gaza
On 8/21/2014 8:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Right. And Michael Brown was a sweet lovable *gentle giant* that never hurt anybody. While walking to his gramma's home (tobacco *free*, literally)and dreaming of college days to come, he was attacked by white, racist, bully cops who do this sort of thing every day for jollies and then shot him, execution style, while on his knees and with hands in the air, begging for his life. 'Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source' http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
On 8/21/2014 10:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What a scurrilous accusation! What libel! What innuendo! What slander! The only thing good about your post is that I am here on FFL to defend myself!!! So, are you being paid by Big Pharma? You seem to be reporting to a science writer. So it's not an unreasonable question to ask someone when they claim to advocate for traditional medicine and don't support alternative therapies - it makes you look like you are advocating for something and advocates usually get paid for their support. It works for the science writer. Go figure. *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:59 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html image http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
On 8/21/2014 11:21 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? You sounded kind of outraged that Monsanto was advocating GMO foods. Now you're sounding kind of confused about the subject. Go figure. /Just in a common sense way, it makes NO sense to allow one company or government to own patents on (eventually) all food crops in the world. Who controls the food supply controls the world./ - Michael Jackson http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg309157.html *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html image http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
On 08/21/2014 09:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy? Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis anti-homeopathic stance because he had actually found a homeopathic substance useful. There's something to the science even if it twiddles the mind of a high school trained scientist. :-D On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html image http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 08/21/2014 09:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy? Oh well, it must be true then. I suppose wearing a crown makes you immune from errors of reasoning. Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis anti-homeopathic stance because he had actually found a homeopathic substance useful. There's something to the science even if it twiddles the mind of a high school trained scientist. That's the point, there is nothing to the science. That's why we do science, to work out what's real from what isn't, there's nothing like blind testing to give the lie to dodgy claims. Like we did with astrology and all sorts of other nonsense. Check the periodic table posted by MJ earlier for details. :-D On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
Michael, dare I ask what your friend says about acupuncture or chiropractic? Or will my alleged outrage singe the computer screens of the Funny Farm Lounge? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. In the best homeopathic remedies there is actually less than the equivalent of a single particle in all the world's oceans. But they claim it doesn't work like that anyway, something to do with the memory of water which makes me wonder why everything water touches isn't remembered, like LSD or birth control pills, the human race should be extinct or out of our heads. I've no doubt there's an explanation. I've also no doubt it wouldn't survive much scrutiny, I also think homeopathy will stick around for ever.. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? I think so, maybe a deep recognition that something is a cherished belief rather than an actual real thing that works regardless of beliefs or established ways of kidding ourselves. The craziest thing I ever came cross is MVVT - Marshy Vedic Vibration Technology. Based on King Tony's strange ideas about Indian literature being present in human physiology, the idea is that if you chant the hymn relevant to the afflicted body part it will be strengthened and healed! Probably needs a category of its own in the alt therapy periodic table. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
salyavin and Michael, as for homeopathy being one of my sacred cows: moo moo (-: On Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:19 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. In the best homeopathic remedies there is actually less than the equivalent of a single particle in all the world's oceans. But they claim it doesn't work like that anyway, something to do with the memory of water which makes me wonder why everything water touches isn't remembered, like LSD or birth control pills, the human race should be extinct or out of our heads. I've no doubt there's an explanation. I've also no doubt it wouldn't survive much scrutiny, I also think homeopathy will stick around for ever.. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? I think so, maybe a deep recognition that something is a cherished belief rather than an actual real thing that works regardless of beliefs or established ways of kidding ourselves. The craziest thing I ever came cross is MVVT - Marshy Vedic Vibration Technology. Based on King Tony's strange ideas about Indian literature being present in human physiology, the idea is that if you chant the hymn relevant to the afflicted body part it will be strengthened and healed! Probably needs a category of its own in the alt therapy periodic table. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
He has been the recipient of chiropractic care - dunno what he thinks about acupuncture. This friend is a non-TM'er (good for him!) raised on a farm. His daddy was a cotton farmer and a cotton buyer who owned a cotton gin - the farmers in the area brought their cotton to Mr. Hugh and he bought it from them. Part of the ginning process is to separate the cotton from the seeds. When he was a kid, every chance he got my friend used to sneak and climb into the huge containers they put the seed into and would swim in them. Apparently the density of the seed allowed one to swim in rather than drown in the seeds. His old man would raise hell if he caught him swimming in the seed. Given the amount of DDT used on cotton at the time, I am sure his brain is even today affected by all the DDT he absorbed into his body from using a cottonseed swimming pool which I am sure accounts for his non-TM mocking attitude towards homeopathy. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Michael, dare I ask what your friend says about acupuncture or chiropractic? Or will my alleged outrage singe the computer screens of the Funny Farm Lounge? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Leg Bone Found on Mars?
John, I think the govt probably has instruments which can analyze the photo to a high degree of accuracy. But what fun is that? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:26 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What do you think? http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
Are they (the UK Movement) actually using Marshy Vedic Vibration Technology? I mean do they have pundits or some such who chant the hymns to effect healing on individuals? Or is it just theory. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. In the best homeopathic remedies there is actually less than the equivalent of a single particle in all the world's oceans. But they claim it doesn't work like that anyway, something to do with the memory of water which makes me wonder why everything water touches isn't remembered, like LSD or birth control pills, the human race should be extinct or out of our heads. I've no doubt there's an explanation. I've also no doubt it wouldn't survive much scrutiny, I also think homeopathy will stick around for ever.. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? I think so, maybe a deep recognition that something is a cherished belief rather than an actual real thing that works regardless of beliefs or established ways of kidding ourselves. The craziest thing I ever came cross is MVVT - Marshy Vedic Vibration Technology. Based on King Tony's strange ideas about Indian literature being present in human physiology, the idea is that if you chant the hymn relevant to the afflicted body part it will be strengthened and healed! Probably needs a category of its own in the alt therapy periodic table. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy
Michael, plus think of all the DDT going into the ocean as your friend creates his own homeopathic remedy! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:42 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He has been the recipient of chiropractic care - dunno what he thinks about acupuncture. This friend is a non-TM'er (good for him!) raised on a farm. His daddy was a cotton farmer and a cotton buyer who owned a cotton gin - the farmers in the area brought their cotton to Mr. Hugh and he bought it from them. Part of the ginning process is to separate the cotton from the seeds. When he was a kid, every chance he got my friend used to sneak and climb into the huge containers they put the seed into and would swim in them. Apparently the density of the seed allowed one to swim in rather than drown in the seeds. His old man would raise hell if he caught him swimming in the seed. Given the amount of DDT used on cotton at the time, I am sure his brain is even today affected by all the DDT he absorbed into his body from using a cottonseed swimming pool which I am sure accounts for his non-TM mocking attitude towards homeopathy. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy Michael, dare I ask what your friend says about acupuncture or chiropractic? Or will my alleged outrage singe the computer screens of the Funny Farm Lounge? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One of my friends says that if homeopathy is real then he can go piss in the ocean and his piss becomes the most powerful medicine of all since it will be diluted to infinity. As for Share's outrage, it was just a fun chart to post - as others here have pointed out, when someone is so easily outraged over someone poking fun at their sacred cows, well maybe better to take a second look inside, p'raps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alternative Therapy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, just in case you're not joking: it wasn't an accusation. It was a direct question. And btw, some of the items on the chart are time honored modalities, like homeopathy. Sorry Share, time honoured means absolutely nothing at all. That people continue to believe things doesn't actually count as evidence for efficacy. They may have all sorts of reasons for supporting that which doesn't actually work because there are lots of much better explanations for the apparent occasional effectiveness, the placebo effect, reduction to the mean etc. Homeopathy is 100% placebo and bedside manner, the concoctions do absolutely nothing because they are absolutely nothing - by design. Maybe that counts as a health modality in some circles but it isn't good enough for me. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
