[FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, According to a rabbi, Mordechai Kraft, the devil was created to tempt human beings in the Garden to allow for free will to be exercised. Similarly, the devil is doing the same thing today to test humans and to exercise their free will. So, in essence, the devil is merely doing what the Creator to do, which is to do the best he could to tempt humans. See his lecture below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AHco824RDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AHco824RDI But Christians have a different take on this matter. The devil is considered a fallen angel and wants human beings to worship him and not the Creator. The Muslims have a different interpretation too. They consider the devil or Satan to be a jinn--I'd imagine an evil entity--and was not an angel in heaven. I give no credence to fairy tales. Especially when there are so many to choose from. Doesn't that kind of imply to you that these people are just looking for explanations to things they don't understand or don't want to accept about themselves? If there was a way of gaining metaphysical knowledge about good and evil with mere speculation I'd be interested but this is just iron age people trying to come to terms with a mysterious world. The whole thing is so much simpler if you just realise that people do stuff we aren't proud of every now and again. No need to blame it on supernatural forces. Regarding Dr. Berlinski lecture, he's actually saying that many of the atheists' positions, including Darwin's Evolution Theory and the current developments in physics and cosmology, are not supported by incontrovertible facts. Knowledge will probably never be finished but to call out Darwin because he thinks he's found a minute discrepancy in some micro-organism is pathetic. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and it's only True Believers - like the ID crowd - who have a belief they want propagated, who are actually trying to argue against it. But they have no argument and are known to be attempting to get their completely unfounded beliefs into the minds of children. Weigh up for yourself which is more likely, that we have an good explanation for the existence of complex life with nothing but supporting evidence from geology, genetics, in fact there is noting to suggest there is anything out of place. Compare it to the ID idea and they only have a crap mathematical (?) argument and a limited knowledge of biology. They can't expect to be taken seriously if their only evidence is their own lack of understanding about how micro-organisms adapt. I remember the very first time the ID crowd published something and it hit headlines all over the world, many were amazed and said they always knew there must be a creator but it took me 20 minutes to disprove it, and that included a bike ride to the library for the right high school text book. Their argument rested on the fact that some structures in nature - things like antenna - cannot have evolved because they would be useless as anything else therefore they must have been designed for the purpose they now perform. The argument has been disposed of so many times before it was surprising to see it being given credence in national newspapers but they've got to print something I suppose and the average science editor is usually the one with the best A level so they don't really go into things all that much. The answer to the problem of course is that these allegedly unexplainable structures are pre-adapted for the role the perform. In the case the IDers gave they had a propulsion system used by some sort of flagella that they claimed couldn't have evolved to do that job because every part of it was necessary to propel the creature through the water, what they didn't tell you is that the animal involved was descended (DNA proves this) from an animal with two seperate structures, one was a hair, that combined accidentally to become more useful for something else. Far from proving these structure must have been designed all the IDers did was demonstrate a poor technical knowledge about their professed field of expertise. Because if even I can disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. But the sad part of the story is that these people are religious and are desperate for evidence their creator exists and modern science has left them a bit stranded with only a few hairy bits of amoeba to point at and say AHA!, we have proof It's a bit of a step down for the big fella in the sky. For example, many of the popular atheists today are not really confident nor sure that their position is scientifically true. I myself saw a video clip in which Richard Dawkins said he does not have any proof that God does not exist. As such, he said he could be properly be called an agnostic. But that's a scientifically accurate statement. You can't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : LOL. Steve's just acting out his new position as Jim Flanegin's toady and ass-kisser, that's all. He seems to have taken that position over from Judy after she left. :-) The question is: what's he doing here instead of revelling in the peak experience? Are they starting to get bored with their pretentious goodness and need a bit of snark to keep their ego's boiling over? I'm sure they'll let us know... From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a month ago. This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often babysits, a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before, really got to *my* sensitivities, so
[FairfieldLife] NPR interview of Russell Brand
Russell Brand Says He Wants A ‘Revolution’ The wild, funny, blithely offensive comedian Russell Brand takes on the world’s woes with us. He says he’s got the answer. Comedian and actor Russell Brand, on the cover of his new book, Revolution. (Penguin / Random House) Listen to the story http://audio.wbur.org/download.php?url=//audio.wbur.org/storage/2014/10/onpoint_1015_russell-brand-revolution-new-book.mp3 http://audio.wbur.org/download.php?url=//audio.wbur.org/storage/2014/10/onpoint_1015_russell-brand-revolution-new-book.mp3 British comedian, actor, provocateur, activist Russell Brand knows how to mix it up wild and funny. With his big mane, sharp mind, and glittering irreverence he has cut a wide swath in entertainment realms. Played the blazing rock star in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Get Him to the Greek. Married and divorced Katy Perry. Toured doing stand-up last year with his Messiah Complex show. And now Russell Brand is going all-in on politics. Revolution, actually. Our world, our system is worn out and we know it, he says. Time for revolt. Up next On Point: Russell Brand, and revolution. Russell Brand Says He Wants A ‘Revolution’ http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/01/01/russell-brand-revolution-new-year http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/01/01/russell-brand-revolution-new-year Russell Brand Says He Wants A ‘Revolution’ http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/01/01/russell-brand-revolution-new-year The wild, funny, blithely offensive comedian Russell Brand takes on the world's woes with us. He sa... http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/01/01/russell-brand-revolution-new-year Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Never used it tho my older brother swears by it. I was interested in the article since I never thought of the guy who developed it getting a knighthood for it. He must have pleased the royal household in some way. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits You have a particular interest in Viagra, do you Michael? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The English know what is important!! Knighthood for 'father of Viagra' http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30632539 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30632539 Knighthood for 'father of Viagra' http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30632539 Two chemists, one who started research on Viagra and one YouTube celebrity, along with a former NFU president, are knighted in the New Year Honours. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30632539 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I've only ever been called a lady by one person and I ain't tellin'. Well, now two people. Am I too rough around the edges? I think 11 months of self-imposed banning should take place. But, my first resolution was not to post here at FFL for the year, and I broke that one pretty quick. Does TM help with self-discipline? I'll say a quick goodbye and good luck (from the solitary outsider), before Salyavating wakes up with bad hangover. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think he should be banned for insulting a lady. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
well, it certainly reveals something about him as would an apology ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think he should be banned for insulting a lady. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I think he should be banned for insulting a lady. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. So you get it that we may not feel this way about any book. You've answered your own question. Next . . . C: My point concerns his statement that atheist objections are superficial. They are not. If you have rejected that any book comes from a God rather than a man, good for you. Atheists are not concerned with a relatively small group of people like yourself who have departed from most religious beliefs. The issue has to do with the majority of theists who do an then try to sway legislation toward their God beliefs. Like being anti gay for example. Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? No. But believing oneself saved or experiencing unity consciousness are very different from our everyday experiences which lead some to resign themselves to accepting they are nothing more than a jumped-up simian. C: I am not sure what lines you are drawing here. Again, my point was aimed at the charge that atheists objections to theism are intellectually seriousness. The issues concerning the reliability of subjective knowledge is a profound one and I appreciate your recognizing the issues with it. As far as our relationship to simians, we left that group 50 million years ago. We still share most of our genes with them. But the differences in our development are also profound in the last 2 percent or less that we deviate from them. I m very pro human and proud to be a member of the club. Our intellectual and artistic gifts are unmatched on the planet. But that doesn't mean that we have the ability to know everything about how reality functions or that we can live after we die any better than chimps can. We obviously have a self reflective quality that you and I appreciate. So I am not resigned to anything concerning my connection to other primates on the planet. I am a sad that we are completely wiping out their cultures and eating them! So what other distinctions are you referring to? Perhaps we would find different lines there. Is darshan from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? By their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7: 20) C: Then Mao is the greatest person in history because by the numbers he was judged by his countrymen as having the most divine fruit. Judging fruits is subjective. That was my point. And it was next on my list of objections that are not simply dismissed with a catch phrase from the Bible. My points were aimed at Bentley but thanks for keeping it going. He is wrong about atheists objections to religious beliefs. They are not glib, superficial or stupid. Whether or not they are delivered in a shrill manor has no bearing on the content. I believe that his objections had all the qualities he tried to pawn off on atheists. Your responses were way more thoughtful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. snip C: Notice that none of those qualities actually address the content of the atheist objections to the claims of theists. It is a you are a poopy pants based argument. There is nothing shallow or glib about the epistemological objections to people claiming to know things about the nature of the universe that have poor supporting reasons. Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. Their reasons for assuming that their scripture should be taken more seriously than other literature are not solid. They do no KNOW that God had a hand in any human book. How do people distinguish the epistemological solidity of subjective experiences well enough to separate their reasons for believing in their own but to deny others? Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? Is darshon from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? These and many other questions lie at the root of atheist thought.They are not silenced or answered by making comments
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. So you get it that we may not feel this way about any book. You've answered your own question. Next . . . Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? No. But believing oneself saved or experiencing unity consciousness are very different from our everyday experiences which lead some to resign themselves to accepting they are nothing more than a jumped-up simian. Is darshan from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? By their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7: 20) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. snip C: Notice that none of those qualities actually address the content of the atheist objections to the claims of theists. It is a you are a poopy pants based argument. There is nothing shallow or glib about the epistemological objections to people claiming to know things about the nature of the universe that have poor supporting reasons. Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. Their reasons for assuming that their scripture should be taken more seriously than other literature are not solid. They do no KNOW that God had a hand in any human book. How do people distinguish the epistemological solidity of subjective experiences well enough to separate their reasons for believing in their own but to deny others? Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? Is darshon from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? These and many other questions lie at the root of atheist thought.They are not silenced or answered by making comments about atheists being too much of one thing and not enough of another personally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. However, he recognizes that Europe has entered the post-Christian era, which he believes, will not disappear anytime soon. On the other hand, he states Nietzsche is dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
Re Not what I believe either, there are still other alternatives, like the consciousness-only school in Buddhism, Advaita or the philosophy of Spinoza.: Precisely. Consider the number of possible explanations of our human situation. How many are there? Well, to save you all the trouble I've exhaustively made a list and there is in fact an infinite number of answers. True, the human race has so far only come up with a number of explanations in the tens of thousands but it's early days yet and the ingenuity of the mind is inexhaustible. That is what is so tiresome about black-or-white, I'm right-you're wrong thinkers like Barry: to those like him either you accept a Sunday School version of fundamentalist Christianity or you buy into a dreary scientism that pretends it has all the answers. This David Berlinski chap is bright alright. (He penned the splendid A Tour of the Calculus - the best non-technical intro to the subject I've read.) But he also comes across as an arrogant piece of work. And allying himself with the ID propagandists doesn't help his cause. But he is teasing out the weaknesses and question-begging in these puffed-up, know-it-all new atheists. Why are they called new atheists? Because old-school atheists-cum-agnostics like Bertrand Russell honoured their opponents whereas Dawkins et al can hardly contain their contempt. If you want an example, take this excerpt from a discussion between Russell and Fr. Frederick C. Copleston - notice how they cautiously circle around each other but show due respect. (Barry needn't waste his time listening - it's a philosophical dialogue not a rant.) Instead of emoting, can't we bring back civilized discourse like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdicTfFygnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdicTfFygnU
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
I think you are making too much of this. The comment was purely hypothetical,
and the language was so strongly colorful to an offensive extreme in order to
make a point about the degree to which true believers are willingly blind. I'm
astounded at how bent out of shape people are getting in reaction to it, but
the result is that two groups of people who are much better off not interacting
with each other have, for the most part, gone their separate ways.
Hear hear, and thank you for the note of sanity, inserted into the
*intentional* attempt to disrupt this group and bring it back down to Jim
Flanegin's level again.
He really DID start this tempest in a teapot. Now, having been caught at it,
he's trying to turn it into a confrontation, and pretend that it was *him* who
has somehow been mortally wounded by...uh...wait for it...not having a sense of
humor.
These two groups of people have self-selected. I say let them stay with the
group they selected. And if they start straying over boundaries *for no other
purpose* than to start arguments and cause trouble (as Jim has done these last
two days), enforce their decision. Make them live with their own bluster, and
among their own kind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_arch...@yahoo.com wrote :
Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi
for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed
dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself
in France and Spain.
However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving
into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the
other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business.
This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting.
My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl
of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now
include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies.
Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great
concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this
monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in
anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction,
don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill
Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his
accusers, those he drugged and raped.
I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more
serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not
better.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
It kinda snuck up on me, too, Edg, and had to be explained to my by
Curtisdeltablues offline.
It seems he finally went over the top using Curtisdeltablues' real name while
saying nasty things about him that would have harmed his reputation and his
ability to find work in the real world, and Rick dumped him. But he also
deleted the thread of posts that Richard made dragging Curtisdeltablues' real
name through the dirt at the same time -- including the post in which he dumped
him -- so I missed it and it appears that you did, too.
I am suggesting that to be consistent Rick should do the same thing with Jim
Flanegin. *Including* deleting today's and yesterday's posts in which Jim
intentionally associates my name with pedophilia. The thing is, he's doing this
*after* having admitted yesterday that he doesn't believe I am a pedophile, so
the legal definitions of libel and slander have been met -- he is intentionally
lying to harm someone.
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 3:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in
legal trouble
Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
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[FairfieldLife] Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis
I think you are making too much of this. The comment was purely hypothetical, and the language was so strongly colorful to an offensive extreme in order to make a point about the degree to which true believers are willingly blind. I'm astounded at how bent out of shape people are getting in reaction to it, but the result is that two groups of people who are much better off not interacting with each other have, for the most part, gone their separate ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_arch...@yahoo.com wrote : Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
I think any concept should be harmlessly allowed to pass through almost any mind.unless the person willfully iterates the concept enough to begin to enliven other parts of the thought processes with a negative dynamic. I can have the three words, butt fucking babies, pass through without pushing my personality into pedophilia, but if I try to imagine the real world manifestations of such and re-play scenarios in my head, then, yeah, I could be growing the dark side in my personality. But who does this? Probably only true pedophiles have these kinds of daily exercises that can, over time, tilt a mind. I think pedophiles are damaged early in life -- not that they have DNA deep issues. Just a guess. Meanwhile, Jim seems to be way over the top; and as much as I'd like to see Barry scoured with steel wool, I think Jim's way wrong about this..maybe way way wrong in that he's projecting perhaps, and that brings validity to the question: should we ask Jim if he likes sex with babies? One thing's clear: It's easy to create a list of three word combos that would be so off-putting and offensive that everyone here would be complaining about the pictures being formed in their heads. But, if anyone read such a list purposely -- whose fault is it for the rise in negative emotions? Proof? Here see how many of these suggestions you can bear to process with your mind: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9zdph/worst_three_word_phrase_ever/ http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9zdph/worst_three_word_phrase_ever/ See? I read about three and I'm done -- don't need the pictures. You too, right? Jim seems to want to iterate one offensive concept. I gotta ask about the motivation behind that. And one thing about polyandry etc. IT'S SOCIAL -- ain't no mother gunna be so out of it that pedophilia is unnoticed. So I'm not worried.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
It was news to me too. Activity log shows Rick having booted and banned him on Dec 12 at 5:05pm. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Maybe - they sure have been hamming it up and insulting each other. Jones is really an extraordinary fighter and he does have quite a bit longer reach than Cormier, but if he acts like he did in his last fight with Gustaffson, clowning around and acting the fool, he just might lose. His one loss so far was a disqualification for an illegal strike. We'll see tomorrow night. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015 I watch UFC the next day on mma-core.com This is going to be an epic fight isn't it? ---In airfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I know - things are interesting enough on FFL already. I am now waiting for Edg to get a-holt of Barry and give him a good steel wool scrubbing - that should be better than the Jon Jones/Daniel Cormier match up tomorrow nite! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides achilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone intheir real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete theslanderous message in the post before commenting. This is wayover the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with aninflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL whenhe left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup introuble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in hisreal life with a phrase taken out of context. The originalcontext of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universallyconsidered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in acult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers tocultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. Theintended use was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Re: and learned how yoga really works. That's pretty funny. I like that. Ya'll have a nice day now; I've got to get on with the business at hand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : In the opinion of many here the TMO didn't evolve it devolved. It became very rigid. Those who moved on got out of the compartmentalization that MMY built to protect the profits and learned how yoga really works. On 01/02/2015 11:22 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I understand what you mean - but Barry never clarified that this was his meaning, because it wasn't. If anything, and to grant him more benefit than he deserves, imo, it was what Curtis is playing it as. But, this is a creative solution to exonerating BW and forgiving him his outrageous trespass. From the outside, one thing that seems to have happened to the TMO, imo, is that it evolved to a place where the spiritual and intellectually advanced folks *had* to leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : How the phrase plays depends on whether some of the words are used as adverbs or adjectives. Thus the phrase can have at least two different meanings. You're an outsider looking in. We who have been on FFL for years and before that alt.meditation.transcendental are familiar with such meanings as applied to drama queen True Believiers. You must understand that once the Age of Enlightenment courses were held some teachers came back as self appointed gestapo of purity types and drove a lot of very spiritually and intellectually advanced people away. After that the TMO was not as fun and an enjoyable as it once was. On 01/02/2015 10:15 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
In the opinion of many here the TMO didn't evolve it devolved. It became very rigid. Those who moved on got out of the compartmentalization that MMY built to protect the profits and learned how yoga really works. On 01/02/2015 11:22 AM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I understand what you mean - but Barry never clarified that this was his meaning, because it wasn't. If anything, and to grant him more benefit than he deserves, imo, it was what Curtis is playing it as. But, this is a creative solution to exonerating BW and forgiving him his outrageous trespass. From the outside, one thing that seems to have happened to the TMO, imo, is that it evolved to a place where the spiritual and intellectually advanced folks *had* to leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : How the phrase plays depends on whether some of the words are used as adverbs or adjectives. Thus the phrase can have at least two different meanings. You're an outsider looking in. We who have been on FFL for years and before that alt.meditation.transcendental are familiar with such meanings as applied to drama queen True Believiers. You must understand that once the Age of Enlightenment courses were held some teachers came back as self appointed gestapo of purity types and drove a lot of very spiritually and intellectually advanced people away. After that the TMO was not as fun and an enjoyable as it once was. On 01/02/2015 10:15 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Yes, I understand what you mean - but Barry never clarified that this was his meaning, because it wasn't. If anything, and to grant him more benefit than he deserves, imo, it was what Curtis is playing it as. But, this is a creative solution to exonerating BW and forgiving him his outrageous trespass. From the outside, one thing that seems to have happened to the TMO, imo, is that it evolved to a place where the spiritual and intellectually advanced folks *had* to leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : How the phrase plays depends on whether some of the words are used as adverbs or adjectives. Thus the phrase can have at least two different meanings. You're an outsider looking in. We who have been on FFL for years and before that alt.meditation.transcendental are familiar with such meanings as applied to drama queen True Believiers. You must understand that once the Age of Enlightenment courses were held some teachers came back as self appointed gestapo of purity types and drove a lot of very spiritually and intellectually advanced people away. After that the TMO was not as fun and an enjoyable as it once was. On 01/02/2015 10:15 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...But many so called atheists today consider Dawkins to be one of the leading apologists for atheism. Don't be an idiot, John. *No one* considers Dawkins a leading apologist for atheism because being an atheist requires no apology. Good to know, that he is not a leading apologist. What I don't get is, what's all the fuss about? Why would an atheist want to convince anyone of his persuasion? If you feel, there is no meaning or sense in life, neither good or bad karma, if you believe in a sort of nihilism (?), then what's in for you, convincing anyone about it? I accept totally that the atheist position is a complete valid one, but then you cannot know either way, and it's everybodies choice. You do realize that you just created the same kind of straw man argument you rail against below, don't you? Fair enough, I was just testing the waters. So, I suppose you probably believe in karma, or some sense of universal justice. . To my memory, NO ONE in the history of Fairfield Life has ever tried to convince others that there is no meaning or sense in life, that there is neither good nor bad karma, or that there is only nihilism, and that they should follow it. You made ALL of that up. There may be people in other places or on other forums who do that, but we're on Fairfield Life, and my bet is that you cannot find a single post by a self-professed atheist on this forum who ever did anything like what you suggest. As for legitimate reasons that *some* atheists might want to preach to others is that then they might qualify for the billions of dollars of tax-free benefits that governments give to those who believe in the invisible man in the sky. :-) :-) :-) Believing in an invisible man in the sky is the thing that people should apologize for. There are still a few other alternatives to the invisible man in the sky, don't you think? Just knocking down a strawman is not a great argument. There are many, many different positions wrt some final reality, I wouldn't know personally anone who believes in a very literalist version of religion anyway (they do exits, but probably not around here). To argue against a simplistic and literalist version of belief, just weakens these arguments. That's all. If you believe that your supposed God is sentient and has the ability to control life on this or other planets, then it's an invisible man in the sky, even if you believe its a woman, or some amorphous, non-physical blob. Not what I believe either, there are still other alternatives, like the consciousness-only school in Buddhism, Advaita or the philosophy of Spinoza. But believe anything you want. Really. Just don't expect me to treat your beliefs as if they deserve respect or to be argued about just because you believe them. They don't, any more than the beliefs of someone who thinks that the moon is made of green cheese.
[FairfieldLife] TV Notes
For those who watched the first season of the original The Bridge (Bron|Broen on Hulu the second season is available today. It was mistakenly posted back in May then taken down causing a stir among Hulu users. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/arts/television/after-a-remake-for-american-viewers-back-to-understatement-.html I watched season two when it was on the European version of Daily Motion over a year ago. I've been hearing and reading good things about Jane the Virgin which is on the CW. So last night I decide to watch an episode on Hulu+. The earliest episode they have available is episode 3 then it skips to 6. Weird. The surprise (warning 2 degrees of separation coming) was the director who also directed the pilot. Though I never met him but he was a friend of my sister's family. The show is excellent so I need to dig up the missing episodes or wait for them to show on Netflix which might not be until next fall. Hulu seems to be run by kids fresh out of college with little or no adult supervision.
[FairfieldLife] The Atheist Delusion
Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. However, he recognizes that Europe has entered the post-Christian era, which he believes, will not disappear anytime soon. On the other hand, he states Nietzsche is dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE
[FairfieldLife] Hebrew Bible trivia: b'reshit...
The first word of the Hebrew Bible (tanakh) is bereshit or b'reshit ( ~ bresheet). As the first niqqud (vowel diacritic under bet) is sheva, it can't mean in the beginning but rather in (a) beginning. 'In the beginning' would be bareshit (b[e] + ha + reshit)!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Re: This was an attempt to put people down... This is what it really was in my view...an attempt to offend, an abusive attempt to offend, using the worst three words possible. BW is famous for vicious slurs, but this one takes the cake. What freaks me out is that the way so many responded here was to start trying to smooth it all over and dismantle and dismiss it. More bleaching of the cloth needed, imho. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Right on. Barry needs to watch himself around the children. His lack of accountability, and ridiculous threats are a huge red flag. Why there are those who enable him this way, I'll never know. I don't believe for a minute this was some sort of 'fealty test', for followers of Maharishi. This was an attempt to put people down as Barry has been doing all his life, and yet, his choice of subject matter may reveal other tendencies in him, that he tries mightily to keep hidden. I think we can count on him pulling his cowardice number now, and disappearing for awhile.:-) Whew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Right on. Barry needs to watch himself around the children. His lack of accountability, and ridiculous threats are a huge red flag. Why there are those who enable him this way, I'll never know. I don't believe for a minute this was some sort of 'fealty test', for followers of Maharishi. This was an attempt to put people down as Barry has been doing all his life, and yet, his choice of subject matter may reveal other tendencies in him, that he tries mightily to keep hidden. I think we can count on him pulling his cowardice number now, and disappearing for awhile.:-) Whew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- Barry is wetting his pants, can't find the Interpol phone #
Oh God! I think I've had enough absurdity for the day already. And, no, I did not click on that link duveyoung provided. Hail Mary, full of grace. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Funny how Cordozo, er, Curtis, stood up for Barry immediately. Great minds think alike, I guess.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- Barry is wetting his pants, can't find the Interpol phone #
Funny how Cordozo, er, Curtis, stood up for Barry immediately. Great minds think alike, I guess.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
The Funny Farm Lounge seems to need it's ongoing soap opera, Jim or no Jim. :-D On 01/02/2015 08:27 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More GMO's
Oh no! Monsanto is NOW creating plants modded with human brain cells! It was bad enough that they have been mixing animal cells with plants. On 01/02/2015 08:38 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Biological evolution is now co-opting the human brain to further variability. Good or Bad, it's part of the machinery of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well what do y'all think of this? Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulators’ Scope http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 image http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulator... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Critics of bioengineered crops are concerned that a technical loophole could lead to the release of plants that could have unintended effects on the environment. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Well, I think mine might have been directed at Ravi...and it was a graphic. I considered it art. He's forgiven me, I hope. (I think Alex will tell us to get the F___ over it all.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : With all due respect Emily, I think mine hit about 9-1/2 on the crude scale. But I thought it was immensely funny, I have to admit. Alex may nail me with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Geez, is that some kind of midwest (FFL excluded) kind of honesty thing? It's hard to be perfect; I might be guilty of making just one and only one crude comment myself towards...wellone of the gentlemen on this site. Just maybe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : For the purposes of full disclosure, I have made some crude comments on this site, and one in particular was directed to a woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
With all due respect Emily, I think mine hit about 9-1/2 on the crude scale. But I thought it was immensely funny, I have to admit. Alex may nail me with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Geez, is that some kind of midwest (FFL excluded) kind of honesty thing? It's hard to be perfect; I might be guilty of making just one and only one crude comment myself towards...wellone of the gentlemen on this site. Just maybe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : For the purposes of full disclosure, I have made some crude comments on this site, and one in particular was directed to a woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Geez, is that some kind of midwest (FFL excluded) kind of honesty thing? It's hard to be perfect; I might be guilty of making just one and only one crude comment myself towards...wellone of the gentlemen on this site. Just maybe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : For the purposes of full disclosure, I have made some crude comments on this site, and one in particular was directed to a woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Awww.you're a good guy, Steve. I come from the school of hard knocks in some regards...but life and all its experiences are well worth the trip. Now wait, I was leaving right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Someone would be fortunate to call you my lady (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I've only ever been called a lady by one person and I ain't tellin'. Well, now two people. Am I too rough around the edges? I think 11 months of self-imposed banning should take place. But, my first resolution was not to post here at FFL for the year, and I broke that one pretty quick. Does TM help with self-discipline? I'll say a quick goodbye and good luck (from the solitary outsider), before Salyavating wakes up with bad hangover. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think he should be banned for insulting a lady. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
For the purposes of full disclosure, I have made some crude comments on this site, and one in particular was directed to a woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Apology? I'm doubting it, but we'll see. That might be asking too much - specially if he considers himself one of Barry's boys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is no way, no 100% way, that he has a girlfriend. I suspect is afraid of girls, or women, which is why it appears so easy for him to demean a woman. No man, with any sort of sensitivity, or who is married, or have a daughter, or a girlfriend (whom he respects) would react as he did. Do you think he might apologize? That would be something to take note of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : My later thought was that yes, he must have been really arseholed. Doesn't sound like he was having that much fun. Hope he doesn't speak to his girlfriend this way - wait, do you think he has a girlfriend? As one of my favorite long-ago posters used to say, was it something I said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Someone would be fortunate to call you my lady (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I've only ever been called a lady by one person and I ain't tellin'. Well, now two people. Am I too rough around the edges? I think 11 months of self-imposed banning should take place. But, my first resolution was not to post here at FFL for the year, and I broke that one pretty quick. Does TM help with self-discipline? I'll say a quick goodbye and good luck (from the solitary outsider), before Salyavating wakes up with bad hangover. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think he should be banned for insulting a lady. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : C: My point concerns his statement that atheist objections are superficial. They are not. If you have rejected that any book comes from a God rather than a man, good for you. Atheists are not concerned with a relatively small group of people like yourself who have departed from most religious beliefs. The issue has to do with the majority of theists who do an then try to sway legislation toward their God beliefs. Like being anti gay for example. Like being anti gay for example Am I missing something? The majority of Americans support gay marriage. So, I guess these people are atheists? I think that premise of your could use some tightening. I would say it is a minority of theists who fit your description. Kind of cheap shot, I'd say. Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? No. But believing oneself saved or experiencing unity consciousness are very different from our everyday experiences which lead some to resign themselves to accepting they are nothing more than a jumped-up simian. C: I am not sure what lines you are drawing here. Again, my point was aimed at the charge that atheists objections to theism are intellectually seriousness. The issues concerning the reliability of subjective knowledge is a profound one and I appreciate your recognizing the issues with it. As far as our relationship to simians, we left that group 50 million years ago. We still share most of our genes with them. But the differences in our development are also profound in the last 2 percent or less that we deviate from them. I m very pro human and proud to be a member of the club. Our intellectual and artistic gifts are unmatched on the planet. But that doesn't mean that we have the ability to know everything about how reality functions or that we can live after we die any better than chimps can. We obviously have a self reflective quality that you and I appreciate. So I am not resigned to anything concerning my connection to other primates on the planet. I am a sad that we are completely wiping out their cultures and eating them! So what other distinctions are you referring to? Perhaps we would find different lines there. Is darshan from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? By their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7: 20) C: Then Mao is the greatest person in history because by the numbers he was judged by his countrymen as having the most divine fruit. Judging fruits is subjective. That was my point. And it was next on my list of objections that are not simply dismissed with a catch phrase from the Bible. My points were aimed at Bentley but thanks for keeping it going. He is wrong about atheists objections to religious beliefs. They are not glib, superficial or stupid. Whether or not they are delivered in a shrill manor has no bearing on the content. I believe that his objections had all the qualities he tried to pawn off on atheists. Your responses were way more thoughtful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. snip C: Notice that none of those qualities actually address the content of the atheist objections to the claims of theists. It is a you are a poopy pants based argument. There is nothing shallow or glib about the epistemological objections to people claiming to know things about the nature of the universe that have poor supporting reasons. Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. Their reasons for assuming that their scripture should be taken more seriously than other literature are not solid. They do no KNOW that God had a hand in any human book. How do people distinguish the epistemological solidity of subjective experiences well enough to separate their reasons for believing in their own but to deny others? Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? Is darshon from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? These and many other questions lie at the root of atheist thought.They are not silenced or answered by making comments about atheists being too much of one thing and not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
What I am about to say may well have been argued to death given the number of posts that I’ve still to read, but here goes. Jim, you say you have a right to post to this group to defend yourself [see below]. I’m down with that. However, I see that four people in your group responded directly to Cardozy today about his post yesterday. But Cardozy can’t defend himself because you've taken away that right from him. How do you square removing Cardozy's right to defend himself on your group, but claiming the same right for yourself here? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Excuse me, Alex? I kept my mouth shut as insults were slung freely around here for a month. If I want to get over here, and even things out, that is my right. If you and Rick do not like it, then please ban me, as I did for Cordozy. I am OK with you exercising your power as moderator. Your phony appeal for calm doesn't mean anything, when you and Rick allow the kind of language and trolling on here, that has made this place a cesspit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I agree with this. I think Jim should be removed from FFL for obsessively bringing up this point of his, distorting the original context, and because Barry is here under his real name, this is way over the line. This could reflect badly on his part time business contacts now that he is no longer working for IBM. Jim is being slanderous. I think Jim should be summarily dismissed from FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Yes, I am astonished that anyone is bent out of shape by it. Barry is once again turning himself into a pretzel. His roomies, the mom and dad, should read his initial insult, and be the judge of what he meant. It is easy for you to say he meant this or that. I am simply going on what he SAID, not what he may or may not have meant. Duh. Apparently a lot of people left this site because they didn't want to roll in the dirt of their own delusions any more. I wonder what happened to them? Did they find their promised land or do they still hanker after causing trouble by deliberately not understanding something and going on and on about it? If only there was a way of finding out... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think you are making too much of this. The comment was purely hypothetical, and the language was so strongly colorful to an offensive extreme in order to make a point about the degree to which true believers are willingly blind. I'm astounded at how bent out of shape people are getting in reaction to it, but the result is that two groups of people who are much better off not interacting with each other have, for the most part, gone their separate ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
You know, I am willing to grant BW the benefit of the explanatory context for the three words that he put together. Curtis has explained this for him in a clear and concise manner; Alex understands this to be the case as well. I am also, interestingly enough, practicing the idea of being transparent, in the sense of allowing things to pass through one (after all, I do have a teenage daughter who rejects/opposes me right now in everything, no matter how compassionately I try and approach her) to reduce reactivity for one and for two, not lock in and get all obsessive about whatever it is, requiring a bunch of effort to let go at that point. However, I cannot even IMAGINE a conversation where those three words would cross my lips or fingertips ever, for any reason whatsoever. None - for no reason. Horrifying, they are. I would have thought, personally, that BW would have issued an apology for putting those three words on paper and subjecting those who read this forum to them. But no, he doubled down and tripled down and moved into a massive ego-driven response. Uck and more Uck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : You show me the line and I will agree with you, Barry Wright. I am raising the possibility of an issue. Are you overreacting again? Yes, we think so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Point of order, Rick. Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin their reputations in the real world. It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line. What are you going to do about it? From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally, both Buck and Jim have demonstrated that all their faux objections to contentious exchanges here are just that. They are both addicted to conflict online and must leave their other forum to cause trouble here. While I find Bucks constant baiting and trolling obnoxious, it does not violate the reasonable terms of use here. Jim's post did. It makes this an unsafe place to post our opinions if people are allowed to make such real life damaging accusations based on nothing but their own bile and misrepresentation. I hope this forum will be safe place to post in 2015. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis
Yes, I am astonished that anyone is bent out of shape by it. Barry is once again turning himself into a pretzel. His roomies, the mom and dad, should read his initial insult, and be the judge of what he meant. It is easy for you to say he meant this or that. I am simply going on what he SAID, not what he may or may not have meant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think you are making too much of this. The comment was purely hypothetical, and the language was so strongly colorful to an offensive extreme in order to make a point about the degree to which true believers are willingly blind. I'm astounded at how bent out of shape people are getting in reaction to it, but the result is that two groups of people who are much better off not interacting with each other have, for the most part, gone their separate ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More GMO's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well what do y'all think of this? I think it's insane. As an Englishman I totally get the importance of a nice lawn but the satisfaction comes from the effort put in, all the rolling, edging, weeding and mowing. We don't want a bloody lawn that needs no work - might as well get some astro-turf! Don't these people know anything? Gardening is a meditative ritual, not only does this render it pointless but the possible unintended consequences are most worrisome. As with all GMO's I wonder if it's worth the effort just to make a bit of money. Just because we can doesn't mean we should... Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulators’ Scope http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulator... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Critics of bioengineered crops are concerned that a technical loophole could lead to the release of plants that could have unintended effects on the environment. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: More GMO's
Biological evolution is now co-opting the human brain to further variability. Good or Bad, it's part of the machinery of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well what do y'all think of this? Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulators’ Scope http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Scientists Alter Crops With Techniques Outside Regulator... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Critics of bioengineered crops are concerned that a technical loophole could lead to the release of plants that could have unintended effects on the environment. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/business/energy-environment/a-gray-area-in-regulation-of-genetically-modified-crops.html?ref=science_r=0 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whoa! Richard has been dumped? Where was I when this happened? Your absence at the leaving party was noted Edg, but we saved you some cake. Seriously though, I only noticed he was gone because all of a sudden I didn't have any tedious shit to scroll past. But I just assumed he'd realised the error of his ways and gone to 'The Peak' to be positive rather than waste any more of his one-and-only precious life trying to drag others down to his level. Rick has done him a big favour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
This is a good example. Emily, who has never done TM doesn't have any idea how compartmentalized it is. Don't look over the fence to see how the other half live kinda thing. All wrapped in purity of the teaching whereas other gurus encouraged followers to learn as much as they could. And that may well include visiting other teachers and looking at other systems. As most here know, TM is yoga lite. A nice relaxation technique. Which is how they market it since if you want enlightenment you'll need more than an alpha state which can be obtained with simple breathing exercises. Results from TM though may vary with the individual and there were certainly those who got more than an alpha state out of it and many of those folks wanted to know more and moved on. On 01/02/2015 11:59 AM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re: and learned how yoga really works. That's pretty funny. I like that. Ya'll have a nice day now; I've got to get on with the business at hand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : In the opinion of many here the TMO didn't evolve it devolved. It became very rigid. Those who moved on got out of the compartmentalization that MMY built to protect the profits and learned how yoga really works. On 01/02/2015 11:22 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I understand what you mean - but Barry never clarified that this was his meaning, because it wasn't. If anything, and to grant him more benefit than he deserves, imo, it was what Curtis is playing it as. But, this is a creative solution to exonerating BW and forgiving him his outrageous trespass. From the outside, one thing that seems to have happened to the TMO, imo, is that it evolved to a place where the spiritual and intellectually advanced folks *had* to leave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : How the phrase plays depends on whether some of the words are used as adverbs or adjectives. Thus the phrase can have at least two different meanings. You're an outsider looking in. We who have been on FFL for years and before that alt.meditation.transcendental are familiar with such meanings as applied to drama queen True Believiers. You must understand that once the Age of Enlightenment courses were held some teachers came back as self appointed gestapo of purity types and drove a lot of very spiritually and intellectually advanced people away. After that the TMO was not as fun and an enjoyable as it once was. On 01/02/2015 10:15 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
yes, that is the funny disconnect. Sal, in particular claims to be the great proponent of dissent, excepting all things he doesn't care to be challenged about. and then when challenged, the poor guy goes to pieces. becomes abusive. it's a recognized pattern of a fragile psyche, I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : I get that you lack sensitivity or understanding of the conversation I was having. I find it objectively sad that you are choosing to speak to me in this way. Lighten up. I've been here longer than you, I do believe. Curtis and I have talked before - it's O.K. Remember, this is a public forum and I am not breaking the rules, to my knowledge. If you and your boy buddies want to start a closed forum, do just that. Now, I'm not trying to offend you and I have no idea why you are so blazing angry today. Doesn't seem like your New Year is starting off on a good foot. Chill out and have a spot of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
true colors showing up. I wonder what comes next. sorta sounds like too much time in the pub? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
when it comes to inadvertently revealing something about oneself, with the phrases you use, I think our dear Sal takes the cake. The difference between genius and stupidity (has no limit) is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm
Re: [FairfieldLife] CNET on Vedic Aircraft Conference
Oh thank you for posting this - another example of that right wing idiot Modi
trying to turn all of India into a Hindu fanatic camp. You watch, he will wind
up being one of the worst prime ministers India has ever had.
Here is my favorite of all the comments on this story:
Obviously, even we scientists like banal entertainment. I mean they could
have hired strippers to break the monotony?, but no... they went for
mythologies? Oh brother...
Their method of propulsion, she said, was anti-gravitational and was based
upon a system analogous to that of laghima, the unknown power of the ego
existing in man’s physiological makeup, a centrifugal force strong enough to
counteract all gravitational pull.
According to Hindu Yogis, it is this laghima which enables a person to
levitate. Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called
Astras by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men
onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of
years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of antima,
the cap of invisibility and garima, how to become as heavy as a mountain
of lead.
One has to be a tremendous cynic of scientific reality, and frankly
...'sanity', to go for this 'stuff'.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 5:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] CNET on Vedic Aircraft Conference
Holy Vimanas! CNET, the tech news site has an article on a conference in
Mumbai tomorrow hosting a session on Ancient Indian Aviation
Technology. Some scientists don't like the idea (and apparently don't
like free speech either) are petitioning to get it canceled.
http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-indian-aircraftspaceship-on-agenda-of-major-science-conference/
The comments section is interesting too.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...But many so called atheists today consider Dawkins to be one of the leading apologists for atheism. Don't be an idiot, John. *No one* considers Dawkins a leading apologist for atheism because being an atheist requires no apology. Good to know, that he is not a leading apologist. What I don't get is, what's all the fuss about? Why would an atheist want to convince anyone of his persuasion? If you feel, there is no meaning or sense in life, neither good or bad karma, if you believe in a sort of nihilism (?), then what's in for you, convincing anyone about it? I accept totally that the atheist position is a complete valid one, but then you cannot know either way, and it's everybodies choice. Perhaps the atheists would like to be treated equally with others that have the opposing idea. In some countries you can be killed for having such a view of the world, and discriminated against in many, many others. Establishing legal equality usually requires a minority to make some kind of fuss to get leverage in this direction. As for Dawkins, I found his book entertaining, but he does tend to chase after the invisible man in the sky version of god as opposed to the invisible whatever version of god, such as the classical theism version that Judy was always bringing up in the previous year or two. To me all gods are alike, they are thoughts in my mind, Zeus, Yahweh, Baal, Brahma, Thor, they are just concepts, lacking even the reality of a cup of coffee. They are virtual realities, like Sherlock Holmes and Batman. All atheists would like to see is some concrete evidence, rather than the pretence of knowledge that belief is. Lack of belief does not seem to adversely affect the lives of atheists in comparison to others except where there is discrimination based on that position. Atheism really isn't a belief, it is simply the lack of evidence for the theistic position makes it unlikely those theistic beliefs have reality behind them. The atheist position is thus 'I do not see how god x, as described by so-and-so, could be real, it's unconvincing, so I do not bother myself with looking at the world this way'. There are a few atheists for whom 'there is no god' is a 'true' belief, and they can be just as fanatical as fundamentalist religionists, and they are ones most likely to be in your face about it. But basically a real non theist is just apathetic about the whole idea of god and gods. I have a certain fondness for Zeus, even though I do not think Zeus exists except in the form of thoughts and effigies and stories. I think I have seen five different cinematic versions of the opening of the Red Sea as described in Exodus (starting with the silent film era) and it is fun to watch, but there is no way I can believe this actually happened. No one observes things like this happening today. However if you interpret the story as a metaphor for the mind's ridding itself of delusion and the desire for more freedom, it might have some applicability.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. snip C: Notice that none of those qualities actually address the content of the atheist objections to the claims of theists. It is a you are a poopy pants based argument. There is nothing shallow or glib about the epistemological objections to people claiming to know things about the nature of the universe that have poor supporting reasons. Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims: Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source than others so that they are considered scripture? I get it that you may not feel this way about any book, but most theists do. Their reasons for assuming that their scripture should be taken more seriously than other literature are not solid. They do no KNOW that God had a hand in any human book. How do people distinguish the epistemological solidity of subjective experiences well enough to separate their reasons for believing in their own but to deny others? Does a person really have a good claim that the experience of unity consciousness is fundamentally different from being saved for example? Is darshon from their master different from what people experienced around Sun Young Moon? How do they know? How, even in principle, can someone claim to make such distinctions? These and many other questions lie at the root of atheist thought.They are not silenced or answered by making comments about atheists being too much of one thing and not enough of another personally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid. However, he recognizes that Europe has entered the post-Christian era, which he believes, will not disappear anytime soon. On the other hand, he states Nietzsche is dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWEYuhiWzE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hebrew Bible trivia: b'reshit...
Carde - How many verb tenses does ancient Hebrew have? I had read somewhere there were not that many, for example to say something about the past you would say something like 'in my fathers childhood...'. Could you throw some light on this? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : The first word of the Hebrew Bible (tanakh) is bereshit or b'reshit ( ~ bresheet). As the first niqqud (vowel diacritic under bet) is sheva, it can't mean in the beginning but rather in (a) beginning. 'In the beginning' would be bareshit (b[e] + ha + reshit)!
[FairfieldLife] CNET on Vedic Aircraft Conference
Holy Vimanas! CNET, the tech news site has an article on a conference in Mumbai tomorrow hosting a session on Ancient Indian Aviation Technology. Some scientists don't like the idea (and apparently don't like free speech either) are petitioning to get it canceled. http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-indian-aircraftspaceship-on-agenda-of-major-science-conference/ The comments section is interesting too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak
I thought at first that the Peak would fly high on their Oh, how much I love you and how enlightened you are. and then would gradually devolve into fighting and name calling. But I now see that this will not be the case. Since Jim is God Almighty on the Peak of Self Appointed Enlightenment, he will remove anyone who disagrees with him. So it will always be a Jimmy Approved group of folks who never take shots at UFO and Masters to Appear Later beliefs nor to challenge anyone who claims enlightenment. I don't know why Buck doesn't start one of his own where he can have a I love Marshy and the Domes and the world is gunna get enlightened thru TMSP practice. From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak I guess I'm not the only one seeing the disparity in tone between Jim's posts on The Peak and his post on FFL https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089 Cardozy and his insults have beendeleted. Know thy audience. Yes, I said all of those things, incontext, as a well provoked response on FFL. I took serious offense at what wasbeing said, and responded in kind. I began this forum as an alternativeto the cesspit over there, and plan to keep it that way. If anyone has anyfurther questions, let's get them out of the way, now - Otherwise, I'd just assoon continue into a brighter New Year! ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :cardozo, so what youare saying is that Barry slings shit at Jim, and Jim returns the favor? Is that the extent ofit? that Barry's raisond'etre, by his own admission, is pushing people's buttons, and thatsome people will decide that what he really is, is sort of an ass, and that heruns the risk of getting push back on the misrepresentations he puts out there? Yea, it gets ugly sometimes. So, what else is new. ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, cardozo2015@... wrote :Well, that sounds fine and good. But here’s a small sampling of what your moderator is continuing to poston FairfieldLife, literally at the same time today that he was thanking all ofyou for joining this forum where ‘thewonder, integration and knowledge of life can be shared and appreciated.’ I hold a US Government clearance(Confidential - one step below Top Secret), and have also been investigated bythe FBI to get same. They didn't have a problem with me. Stop your bullshit,stay away from the kiddies, and Shut The Fuck Up. :-)That sure blew up in your face,didn't it? LOL. What a putz.Keep those greasy mitts of yoursaway from the kids, OK? That is all I am asking of you.You are such a punk. You have themanners of a two year old, and a mouth that could use some soap, and every timesomeone calls you on it, you have what, a youtube video, as rebuttal?? Typical.I'd be surprised if you could create a glass of water by yourself.-You may be able to wrap your headaround this or even ignore it, but it sure looks like creepy behavior to me. Rather than reminding that a friendis a concert pianist, it’s more like a reminder that the pied piper is a creep,who has no qualms about using people to create one group where he can act ‘allsweetness and light’ and between posts go to another forum where he acts outhis creepy side which he apparently has no control over.Your moderator will likely deletethis post before you have a chance to read it, which is even creepier as mostof it is his own words ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : And thank you for your brilliantidea to start a new group. This seems to be a place where some old members andnew members can agree or disagree but seem to be doing so with open minds andcivility. Gosh, what a concept. A place where differences of opinion don'tautomatically imply threats to one's personhood or disintegrate into personalattack and make believe. Where egos are not so obvious and where there appearsto be an openness between participants that didn't exist on the old site. Likediscovering your good friend is a concert pianist and all this time you neverknew, or thought their pianistic limit was chopsticks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : I can vouch for the fact that 90% of posts are most certainly not about the Peak. Michael - When someone has as much Litemint as Jim's self-declared unity consciousness, then automatically everything is seen in terms of oneself. Consequently, Jimbo's sure that it's all about him, whether at the Peak or FFL. Life is so simple when it is all about me. Nothing new here. #yiv9881149054 #yiv9881149054 -- #yiv9881149054ygrp-mkp
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
Uh, Sal, if anyone seems bored, it's the folks here, who have as their main focus of conversation, The_ Peak. Sort of fun to watch, really. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : LOL. Steve's just acting out his new position as Jim Flanegin's toady and ass-kisser, that's all. He seems to have taken that position over from Judy after she left. :-) The question is: what's he doing here instead of revelling in the peak experience? Are they starting to get bored with their pretentious goodness and need a bit of snark to keep their ego's boiling over? I'm sure they'll let us know... From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when Turq made a reference to Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
You're beautiful Barry. Back in your usual (and most comfortable) form. Mister misrepresentation himself. You go girl!! (-: (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : LOL. Steve's just acting out his new position as Jim Flanegin's toady and ass-kisser, that's all. He seems to have taken that position over from Judy after she left. :-) From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your sensitivity, though you expressed no such qualms, when Turq made a reference to Maharishi butt-fucking babies. His exact words, a month ago. This, along with the knowledge that Turq now lives with, and often babysits, a two year old girl, and had never used language like that before, really got to *my* sensitivities, so much so that I started my own forum. Apparently a lot of people agreed with my sensitivities, too.
[FairfieldLife] For Rick -- please read before Jim lands you in legal trouble
Point of order, Rick.
Recently you FINALLY got rid of Richard Williams, for the crime of using
someone's real name on Fairfield Life, while trying to slander them and ruin
their reputations in the real world.
It seems to me that Jim Flanegin has just stepped over that same line.
What are you going to do about it?
From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 2:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An
analysis
Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted
Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's
supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by
himself in France and Spain.
However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving
into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the
other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business.
This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting.
My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl
of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now
include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies.
Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great
concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this
monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in
anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction,
don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill
Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his
accusers, those he drugged and raped.
I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more
serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not
better.
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[FairfieldLife] My concern for Barry being around children - An analysis
Barry has been around FFL for many years. He has also freely insulted Maharishi for many years. However, this was always done in terms of Maharishi's supposed dalliances with adult women. Barry had a field day with it, living by himself in France and Spain. However, a couple of years ago, Barry informed us all that he would be moving into a mixed household, including a two year old girl. Keep in mind that the other adults are sexually involved with each other, and also run a business. This leaves Uncle Barry ample time for baby sitting. My concern is the coincidence of Barry now living with a small child, a girl of three, and suddenly, inexplicably revising his insults of Maharishi, to now include a reference to sex with children; Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Am I making too much of this? I don't think so. The other thing of great concern, is Barry's reaction to this. Far from being chagrined at this monstrous expression, he has gone on the offensive, pretending to turn in anyone who takes offense, to the police and Interpol. A bit of overreaction, don't you think? As if he has a lot to hide, and protect. Reminded me of Bill Cosby, hiring an army of investigators to dig up dirt and discredit his accusers, those he drugged and raped. I don't make a secret of my dislike of Barry. But I think there may be a more serious issue here, and from the way Barry is acting, it is getting worse, not better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Excuse me, Alex? I kept my mouth shut as insults were slung freely around here for a month. If I want to get over here, and even things out, that is my right. If you and Rick do not like it, then please ban me, as I did for Cordozy. I am OK with you exercising your power as moderator. Your phony appeal for calm doesn't mean anything, when you and Rick allow the kind of language and trolling on here, that has made this place a cesspit. Can I be the first to point out that since you enlightened types left to form 'The Peak' it's been really nice around here. What can account for this? PS Thanks for inadvertently reminding everyone of Barry's ridiculous notion that he can report anyone to the authorities, for taking umbrage at his expression about, Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't regularly babysit a three year old girl. I am sorry everyone else here takes such an expression in stride, but that is their problem, and not mine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Time to let it go, Jim. You didn't like Cardoza stirring up shit on your group, so you immediately booted him off and deleted his post. I don't wield that kind of power on FFL because I am merely Rick's lowly henchman, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't come here just to stir up shit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
Excuse me, Alex? I kept my mouth shut as insults were slung freely around here for a month. If I want to get over here, and even things out, that is my right. If you and Rick do not like it, then please ban me, as I did for Cordozy. I am OK with you exercising your power as moderator. Your phony appeal for calm doesn't mean anything, when you and Rick allow the kind of language and trolling on here, that has made this place a cesspit. PS Thanks for inadvertently reminding everyone of Barry's ridiculous notion that he can report anyone to the authorities, for taking umbrage at his expression about, Maharishi butt-fucking babies. Wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't regularly babysit a three year old girl. I am sorry everyone else here takes such an expression in stride, but that is their problem, and not mine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Time to let it go, Jim. You didn't like Cardoza stirring up shit on your group, so you immediately booted him off and deleted his post. I don't wield that kind of power on FFL because I am merely Rick's lowly henchman, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't come here just to stir up shit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 6:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak I can vouch for the fact that 90% of posts are most certainly not about the Peak. Michael - When someone has as much Litemint as Jim's self-declared unity consciousness, then automatically everything is seen in terms of oneself. Consequently, Jimbo's sure that it's all about him, whether at the Peak or FFL. Life is so simple when it is all about me. Nothing new here. Good point. This latest narcisso-meltdown on Jim's part really IS over the top, isn't it? Any day now he's going to challenge Rick to a duel, to settle the question of who has more sycophants on their forum. :-) It's like Jim -- being as compulsively competitive as he is -- is on a quest to be considered the Craziest Victim Of Narcissistic Personality Disorder Ever To Post On Fairfield Life, surpassing even Robin Carlsen. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
Time to let it go, Jim. You didn't like Cardoza stirring up shit on your group, so you immediately booted him off and deleted his post. I don't wield that kind of power on FFL because I am merely Rick's lowly henchman, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't come here just to stir up shit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_arch...@yahoo.com wrote : [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I know - things are interesting enough on FFL already. I am now waiting for Edg to get a-holt of Barry and give him a good steel wool scrubbing - that should be better than the Jon Jones/Daniel Cormier match up tomorrow nite! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides achilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone intheir real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete theslanderous message in the post before commenting. This is wayover the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with aninflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL whenhe left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup introuble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in hisreal life with a phrase taken out of context. The originalcontext of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universallyconsidered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in acult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers tocultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. Theintended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as ifit revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation tohurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myselfhere I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. Ineeded Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that supportfor my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on thismisuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is thelowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfareas a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by usingsomeone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscuresreal harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused thisway. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. C: So you are not a fan of Family Guy or other comedy that uses outrageous terms and images that are offensive to make a point. OK, your choice. EM: No, I'm actually not a fan of Family Guy. For other comedy, it depends on what terms and images are being put forth - I wouldn't be amused at the one BW put forth. C: But to insinuate that anyone who uses them actually has a desire to do a heinous act on children is bullshit. EM: Again, you are reaching too far here - there wasn't talk of desire to do, from what I recall. C: Johnathan Swift made a whole essay out of eating babies to make his point. Does this mean that he actually might eat a baby? Is it a sign that he could even think of such a thing mean something sinister about his character? EM: I haven't read this, but an obvious difference here is that eating babies just doesn't happen and is therefore, clearly an hyperbole. Believe you me, if he had used the three words that BW used, which represent a violation of the worst kind that, unfortunately, is a *real* thing, I doubt he would have been published. C: It shouldn't surprise anyone that you and Barry have different writing styles and choices by your output here. You do not go close to a line that could offend like that image. OK good for you. Barry does. So do I sometimes. EM: No, you haven't gone to that line, except in defending it. C: It is creative writing and uses exaggeration for effect. EM: Seriously, Curtis? Creative writing? Creative writing is more that which Edg does - insulting dramatically using a vocabulary that doesn't invoke intense violence and violation. If BW had been writing creatively for FFL, he would have come up with something better than that, I am sure. He was raging, as he tends to do here, when he can't hold it inside any longer. (It's a clear pattern of his, but I digress). C: Sometimes we hit and sometimes we miss. But if people start attacking us for any image used as if it reveals a literal truth, it effectively negates the creative value of posting here safely. EM: You are generalizing and whitewashing here. The three words *do* reveal a literal truth (of what happens to innocent children). E: That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. C: Jim was explicitly stating that Barry could be guilty of illegal acts in his real life because of his image choice. It is a bogus connection especially since the explicit meaning of its use was as an example of something undeniably outrageous. It was used as the most extreme example of something bad that could be overlooked to make his real point. EM: Huh? I don't believe that given the length of time that both BW and Jim have posted here, that he was actually accusing such a thing - rather, in my view, what Jim was doing was, using scenario creatively to call BW on his word-choice in a manner that reflected his complete and total opposition to participating in a venue that involved such word choices, or allowing such a phrase to cross the forum, unchecked. Again, the energy of that post from Barry was angry and hostile and it wasn't some blase example of something bad... He was writing like a pervand that's what Jim was reacting to. The context of Jim's posts are to cast suspicion on his real life even though his point explicitly voiced his own objection to this behavior as an example of the worst thing he could think of. C: I suspect if you were ever the target of what Jim is doing you might feel differently about this. EM: If I had written what BW wrote, I would hope that I would be a major target and I would pray that I had the wherewithal within to apologize, at the very least, simply for purposefully creating a visual that was so *undeniably* painful and criminal in nature. Whether I felt justified in my action or my writing or not, I would have apologized. I've apologized sincerely for much less on this forum. But, I'm one of the only ones, I know, that has done this. That's me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. Go fuck yourself you patronising cow, you're the one trolling this place with your dumb bullshit any actual grown up would have A, understood in the first place. And B, would have gotten over in heartbeat if they'd even noticed it. It's been nice round here until you and Mr Enlightened showed up again. Do you get that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Oh please, I am the last thing from a troll. And I have the right to post in both places at this time. Can't you be more creative than this? Use your words - that's what parents often say to children that are learning how to communicate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. I'm not rising to your bait you dumb troll just fuck off back to Jim's enlightened shangri-la, it was damn nice round here until you lot showed up again talking the same old crap about the same old thing you all left for in the first place, and that you clearly didn't understand, and still wilfully refuse to even try because there is some ego mileage in it for you. Jesus. I don't go over there trolling the place do I? No, because I'd get canned in a heartbeat, ironically. So your only solution is to come and dump your shit over here. Grow up for crissakes. Why are you so attached? Isn't that one of the things you enlightened are supposed to have got over? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limit - Albert Einstein. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult
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How the phrase plays depends on whether some of the words are used as adverbs or adjectives. Thus the phrase can have at least two different meanings. You're an outsider looking in. We who have been on FFL for years and before that alt.meditation.transcendental are familiar with such meanings as applied to drama queen True Believiers. You must understand that once the Age of Enlightenment courses were held some teachers came back as self appointed gestapo of purity types and drove a lot of very spiritually and intellectually advanced people away. After that the TMO was not as fun and an enjoyable as it once was. On 01/02/2015 10:15 AM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a
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I watch UFC the next day on mma-core.com This is going to be an epic fight isn't it? ---In airfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I know - things are interesting enough on FFL already. I am now waiting for Edg to get a-holt of Barry and give him a good steel wool scrubbing - that should be better than the Jon Jones/Daniel Cormier match up tomorrow nite! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Just close your eyes and visualize yourself as a transparent Being, letting it all flow through you. I am a member of both forum's and made the decision this morning to state my position. Try not to be too hypocritical now. It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. - Joseph Joubert ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
Yep, this is what I'm talking about - BW was most certainly not talking about adults as he was making his point. He has never stated that once in his defense, which he would have if it had been the case. He was much more intent, it seems, on spewing forth a god-awful visual that would shock and offend seriously, and he managed to pull *that* from his consciousness. Do you think he enjoyed the response he got? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : As I pointed out the other day, most of us here would know Barry's use of babies in that phrase meant grown-ups behaving like babies. Only warped minds would have thought otherwise. Maybe their diapers need changing. On 01/02/2015 09:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : LOL. Steve's just acting out his new position as Jim Flanegin's toady and ass-kisser, that's all. He seems to have taken that position over from Judy after she left. :-) The question is: what's he doing here instead of revelling in the peak experience? Are they starting to get bored with their pretentious goodness and need a bit of snark to keep their ego's boiling over? I'm sure they'll let us know... Without any (undue) snark, I think we can project the future of Jim's group simply by looking at the now-abandoned BATGAP forum. Even blissninnies get tired of the same old shit. Add to that the now-established fact that Jim will excommunicate anyone who dares to point out that he's a hypocrite, and I predict that The_Leak doesn't last more than three months. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscrtibe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : SS: Does this seem to anyone else, like an example of pent up anger and frustration being released in such a way that doesn't fit the supposed offense? LG: Could we have a show of hands? Yes, yes, yes, almost everyone. And here I thought Judy had left us...silly me! SS: Hey, it's just the like Maharishi's third day of checking: the stress being released will find something in the here and now as the vehicle for release. For this reason we don't pay much mind to the thoughts we have during stress release I'm not seeing stalking. Simmer down a bit, Barry. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, Jim, the Netherlands police and Interpol have been notified again of your renewed stalking attempts and breaches of Dutch law. They have now notified authorities in the U.S. You are now on record as having made these slanderous remarks on *two different occasions*, the second time after having been warned that these slanderous statements are in breach of Dutch law. Congratulations -- all of this boosts you to a higher level of surveillance. You may now rest assured that pretty much *everything* you write to the Internet from now on will be scrutinized. Too bad you couldn't let your obsession with me go. First reading two entire books in an attempt to find stuff you could post to slander me. Second, stalking me all over the Internet to try to find photos of me that you could crop and add derogatory captions to. Third, making up all of these claims about me, based on me using a throwaway phrase about a dead spiritual teacher no one seems to care about. Maybe you should go back to The_Leak before your brains leak completely out. :-) Oh, and by the way, since you seem to have forgotten about it, when you *first* stalked off in a snit from Fairfield Life, in an attempt to threaten Rick into getting rid of me, you claimed you wouldn't post here again as long as I was still here: Rick, I am sorry, but a forum where anyone is allowed to suggest sexual violence AGAINST children, is not someplace I want to be. I am truly sorry things have degenerated to this point. I am local to the Yahoo corporation, and am considering a detailed notice to the Yahoo administrators, including screen names, of this current activity. Barry makes one excuse after another, about using this foul, sexually perverted, and unbalanced voice, and is clearly not well. This is no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate in. I am all for differing opinions on here, but you have allowed one individual's mental illness to co-opt what could be a fun place to hang out, and I guess I am one of the casualties. See ya!! So in addition to being so obsessed with someone you don't like that you're willing to break the law and have law enforcement officials in three countries looking into your activities, you're willing to LIE as you stalk out the door and have it hit you in the ass. You sure are some great role model for enlightenment, Jimbo. Up after midnight, STILL obsessing about Barry, and STILL so desperate for attention that you're trying to get people from FFL to come visit your lame-o forum. Sure must be tough to be you, but if I were you I'd stick to talking about Newage bullshit and making false claims about your enlightenment on The_Leak and stay away from FFL. Every time you come here you get yourself into more trouble. From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Subscribe to The Peak - An alternative to FFL Rick and I have known each other since the late 1970's - If he had truly been offended, he would not have subscribed to my new forum, The Peak. I can appreciate your
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
LOL - No, the ass clown, in this case is claiming a delusional relationship with the dutch police and Interpol. Interpol, for God's sake. Do you know what they would be saying about Barry, is he HAD contacted them?? What a fool and an idiot. I can see it now: Barry: I'd like to report a slander. Interpol: Oh? Barry: Yes, I referred to Maharishi butt-fucking babies, and someone is saying I am sick and unhealthy for saying so. Interpol: And YOU want to report THEM?? Barry: That is correct. Interpol: Very good, we take this sort of thing very seriously. What is your name, address, and contact info? Barry: But don't you want to know their name, my enemy's name? Interpol: No, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : LOL. Thanks for reposting all of this. It's pretty classic -- Jim transitions from enlightened poseur claiming to be all sweetness and light back to being on Interpol's cyberterrorist watch list in one day, all while trying to hide all of it from the people he's suckered into reading The_Leak. :-) Just to remind folks of the sequence, Jimbo *started* the argument by making a post on FFL trying to lure new sycophants to his group, a place they could chat without the over the top insanity. Someone called him on this obvious attempt to insult FFLers and start a fight, so he quickly deleted his original post and reposted it without that phrase. A couple of people (myself and aryavazhi) poked gentle fun at him for his cluelessness, while someone else suggested his new FFL-only screen name (reverse_archery) was itself a cloaked dig at Rick Archer. NEXT, however, *with no further provocation*, Jim replied by re-launching his Barry is a pedophile slander. signing off with I won't be commenting further on here. I responded by notifying Jim that I'd notified the Dutch police of his illegal activities once again. He went ballistic, lost control the way he used to, and made almost a dozen more postshere on FFL, each one as one person put it dripping with vitriol and crazy talk. WHILE he's doing all of this on FFL, back over on peaceful and moderated The_Leak, he's congratulating everyone for having selected *his* forum as the go-to location. NOT A WORD about all of the shit he's been slinging back over on FFL, while pretending to be all enlightened and wonderful on The_Leak. I wondered whether anyone would call him on this, and fortunately someone did, as the posts cited below from Cardozo indicate. Jim is busted. He reacts by lying about who started the nastiness on FFL, and by deleting Cardozy's posts. There you have it -- enlightenment in action. What an ass clown. :-) From: jamesalan735@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 7:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak I guess I'm not the only one seeing the disparity in tone between Jim's posts on The Peak and his post on FFL https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089 Cardozy and his insults have been deleted. Know thy audience. Yes, I said all of those things, in context, as a well provoked response on FFL. I took serious offense at what was being said, and responded in kind. I began this forum as an alternative to the cesspit over there, and plan to keep it that way. If anyone has any further questions, let's get them out of the way, now - Otherwise, I'd just as soon continue into a brighter New Year! ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : cardozo, so what you are saying is that Barry slings shit at Jim, and Jim returns the favor? Is that the extent of it? that Barry's raison d'etre, by his own admission, is pushing people's buttons, and that some people will decide that what he really is, is sort of an ass, and that he runs the risk of getting push back on the misrepresentations he puts out there? Yea, it gets ugly sometimes. So, what else is new. ---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, cardozo2015@... wrote : Well, that sounds fine and good. But here’s a small sampling of what your moderator is continuing to post on FairfieldLife, literally at the same time today that he was thanking all of you for joining this forum where ‘the wonder, integration and knowledge of life can be shared and appreciated.’ I hold a US Government clearance (Confidential - one step below Top Secret), and have also been investigated by the FBI to get same. They didn't have a problem with me. Stop your bullshit, stay away from the kiddies, and Shut The Fuck Up. :-) That sure blew up in your face, didn't it? LOL. What a putz. Keep those greasy mitts of yours away from the kids, OK? That
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...But many so called atheists today consider Dawkins to be one of the leading apologists for atheism. Don't be an idiot, John. *No one* considers Dawkins a leading apologist for atheism because being an atheist requires no apology. Good to know, that he is not a leading apologist. What I don't get is, what's all the fuss about? Why would an atheist want to convince anyone of his persuasion? If you feel, there is no meaning or sense in life, neither good or bad karma, if you believe in a sort of nihilism (?), then what's in for you, convincing anyone about it? I accept totally that the atheist position is a complete valid one, but then you cannot know either way, and it's everybodies choice. You do realize that you just created the same kind of straw man argument you rail against below, don't you? To my memory, NO ONE in the history of Fairfield Life has ever tried to convince others that there is no meaning or sense in life, that there is neither good nor bad karma, or that there is only nihilism, and that they should follow it. You made ALL of that up. There may be people in other places or on other forums who do that, but we're on Fairfield Life, and my bet is that you cannot find a single post by a self-professed atheist on this forum who ever did anything like what you suggest. As for legitimate reasons that *some* atheists might want to preach to others is that then they might qualify for the billions of dollars of tax-free benefits that governments give to those who believe in the invisible man in the sky. :-) :-) :-) Believing in an invisible man in the sky is the thing that people should apologize for. There are still a few other alternatives to the invisible man in the sky, don't you think? Just knocking down a strawman is not a great argument. There are many, many different positions wrt some final reality, I wouldn't know personally anone who believes in a very literalist version of religion anyway (they do exits, but probably not around here). To argue against a simplistic and literalist version of belief, just weakens these arguments. That's all. If you believe that your supposed God is sentient and has the ability to control life on this or other planets, then it's an invisible man in the sky, even if you believe its a woman, or some amorphous, non-physical blob. But believe anything you want. Really. Just don't expect me to treat your beliefs as if they deserve respect or to be argued about just because you believe them. They don't, any more than the beliefs of someone who thinks that the moon is made of green cheese.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...But many so called atheists today consider Dawkins to be one of the leading apologists for atheism. Don't be an idiot, John. *No one* considers Dawkins a leading apologist for atheism because being an atheist requires no apology. Good to know, that he is not a leading apologist. What I don't get is, what's all the fuss about? Why would an atheist want to convince anyone of his persuasion? If you feel, there is no meaning or sense in life, neither good or bad karma, if you believe in a sort of nihilism (?), then what's in for you, convincing anyone about it? I accept totally that the atheist position is a complete valid one, but then you cannot know either way, and it's everybodies choice. Believing in an invisible man in the sky is the thing that people should apologize for. There are still a few other alternatives to the invisible man in the sky, don't you think? Just knocking down a strawman is not a great argument. There are many, many different positions wrt some final reality, I wouldn't know personally anone who believes in a very literalist version of religion anyway (they do exits, but probably not around here). To argue against a simplistic and literalist version of belief, just weakens these arguments. That's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Devil's Delusion
Okay, I listened to the whole of it, including QA, and I thought that he has some interesting things to say. Many interesting stories, like the ones about Einstein, for example not believeing in the red shift at the end of his life. I myself do believe in evolution, (and if I am not mistaken, so does the RCC) - but I don't know how accurate Darwin is still regarded by science today. I also found it interesting as a critics of scientism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Interpol and Dutch Police fantasy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : LOL - No, the ass clown, in this case is claiming a delusional relationship with the dutch police and Interpol. Interpol, for God's sake. Do you know what they would be saying about Barry, is he HAD contacted them?? What a fool and an idiot. I can see it now: So can we, you just can't get enough:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brits
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL vs The Peak
This kind of arbitrary behavior and double standard is the least thing anyone could want. Who wants to be at the mercy of such a moderator? FFL could be tough at times, but I would say, deal with it, deal with your own emotions, or simply ignore what you don't like. I definitly like the freer spirit and the space it provides.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Re: This was an attempt to put people down... This is what it really was in my view...an attempt to offend, an abusive attempt to offend, using the worst three words possible. BW is famous for vicious slurs, but this one takes the cake. What freaks me out is that the way so many responded here was to start trying to smooth it all over and dismantle and dismiss it. More bleaching of the cloth needed, imho. C: It is fascinating that you are following Jim's misdirection lead on this. The attempt to put people down was in the inended content which was that people with a cult mindset will excuse their leaders for ANY bad behavior. I saw it happen many times when I was in the movement. EM: No, I am not following Jim's lead on this. This is my own opinion. Give me a little credit for thinking for myself. I am aware of the phenomenon where those in a cult excuse their leaders - they are brainwashed into this and have given up their free will, imho, and simply stated. EM: It doesn't change the reality that BW chose to state his point (that he has made many times over and over and over here), using language that is so over-the-top egregious and downright disgusting and painful to even read, that it caused outrage to the nth degree. And, no apology was forthcoming for such a thing - how arrogant, don't you think? C: The hyperbole he used would have been long forgotten if it had not been appropriated by a malicious agenda. Barry used it once in a specific context. Then Jim and Nabbie have repeated in headings. If you are just offended by the actual words and the image it invokes you would be just as offended by those who are using it for their personal agendas. EM: In this case, objectively, I don't see it as an issue of personal agenda. I see it as an honest and real response to the words and, god-forbid, image, for those that are visual. So I am thinking that it is not really the words used that offends you. It is who used them. EM: Nope, in this case it is most certainly the words that offended me and had they been stated by anyone else here, I would have the same reaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Right on. Barry needs to watch himself around the children. His lack of accountability, and ridiculous threats are a huge red flag. Why there are those who enable him this way, I'll never know. I don't believe for a minute this was some sort of 'fealty test', for followers of Maharishi. This was an attempt to put people down as Barry has been doing all his life, and yet, his choice of subject matter may reveal other tendencies in him, that he tries mightily to keep hidden. I think we can count on him pulling his cowardice number now, and disappearing for awhile.:-) Whew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. C: So you are not a fan of Family Guy or other comedy that uses outrageous terms and images that are offensive to make a point. OK, your choice. But to insinuate that anyone who uses them actually has a desire to do a heinous act on children is bullshit. Johnathan Swift made a whole essay out of eating babies to make his point. Does this mean that he actually might eat a baby? Is it a sign that he could even think of such a thing mean something sinister about his character? It shouldn't surprise anyone that you and Barry have different writing styles and choices by your output here. You do not go close to a line that could offend like that image. OK good for you. Barry does. So do I sometimes. It is creative writing and uses exaggeration for effect. Sometimes we hit and sometimes we miss. But if people start attacking us for any image used as if it reveals a literal truth, it effectively negates the creative value of posting here safely. E: That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. C: Jim was explicitly stating that Barry could be guilty of illegal acts in his real life because of his image choice. It is a bogus connection especially since the explicit meaning of its use was as an example of something undeniably outrageous. It was used as the most extreme example of something bad that could be overlooked to make his real point. The context of Jim's posts are to cast suspicion on his real life even though his point explicitly voiced his own objection to this behavior as an example of the worst thing he could think of. I suspect if you were ever the target of what Jim is doing you might feel differently about this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
I agree with Emily in her posts on this. I can't even imagine where such a phrase would come from in a person's mind. It was highly offensive, no doubt about that, which was what the poster intended. But I don't see any connection with actual child abuse. Just because someone uses such a phrase does not mean he is a likely child abuser. In fact, if anything, the reverse would probably be true, since no one would want to draw attention to such activities if indeed they were taking place. What we have here is simply a vendetta on both sides that seems to have gone too far for any amicable resolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Re: This was an attempt to put people down... This is what it really was in my view...an attempt to offend, an abusive attempt to offend, using the worst three words possible. BW is famous for vicious slurs, but this one takes the cake. What freaks me out is that the way so many responded here was to start trying to smooth it all over and dismantle and dismiss it. More bleaching of the cloth needed, imho. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Right on. Barry needs to watch himself around the children. His lack of accountability, and ridiculous threats are a huge red flag. Why there are those who enable him this way, I'll never know. I don't believe for a minute this was some sort of 'fealty test', for followers of Maharishi. This was an attempt to put people down as Barry has been doing all his life, and yet, his choice of subject matter may reveal other tendencies in him, that he tries mightily to keep hidden. I think we can count on him pulling his cowardice number now, and disappearing for awhile.:-) Whew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Re: This was an attempt to put people down... This is what it really was in my view...an attempt to offend, an abusive attempt to offend, using the worst three words possible. BW is famous for vicious slurs, but this one takes the cake. What freaks me out is that the way so many responded here was to start trying to smooth it all over and dismantle and dismiss it. More bleaching of the cloth needed, imho. C: It is fascinating that you are following Jim's misdirection lead on this. The attempt to put people down was in the inended content which was that people with a cult mindset will excuse their leaders for ANY bad behavior. I saw it happen many times when I was in the movement. The hyperbole he used would have been long forgotten if it had not been appropriated by a malicious agenda. Barry used it once in a specific context. Then Jim and Nabbie have repeated in headings. If you are just offended by the actual words and the image it invokes you would be just as offended by those who are using it for their personal agendas. So I am thinking that it is not really the words used that offends you. It is who used them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Right on. Barry needs to watch himself around the children. His lack of accountability, and ridiculous threats are a huge red flag. Why there are those who enable him this way, I'll never know. I don't believe for a minute this was some sort of 'fealty test', for followers of Maharishi. This was an attempt to put people down as Barry has been doing all his life, and yet, his choice of subject matter may reveal other tendencies in him, that he tries mightily to keep hidden. I think we can count on him pulling his cowardice number now, and disappearing for awhile.:-) Whew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused
[FairfieldLife] Re: Safe posting on FFL for 2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Jim was addressing directly the fact that those three words were present in Barry's consciousness in a form that resulted in him slinging them as he did. As a mother and a parent, myself, I can't even IMAGINE doing such a thing. That's the other thing Jim was doing - calling BW on the fact that as a pseudo-parent, he ought to pull to a complete and immediate STOP within himself and take a look. Jim wrote in typical FFL-style speak-ease to make his points - CONTEXT, CURTIS, Context. Oh for fucks sake don't you people EVER GET BORED! It's been nice round here for a month but - as predicted - some jerks from The Peak wander back for a trolling session and it all goes to shit. Why don't you all fuck off back there if it's so great. Jesus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Do you really not see the distinction between Barry using that phrase to make his point in a dramatic way or someone posting as you have, expressing your opinion about his word choice compared to taking it out of context to accuse him of real illegal acts with real people in his life? I will give you credit for more intelligence than to think that what Jim is doing has anything to do with protecting children. You are welcome to express your complete outrage at his word choices. Go for it, that is what the place is for. But what Jim is doing makes it unsafe to post here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : GeezusBW is the one who wrote those three wordsheinous and illegalthe fact that those three words were even able to be generated in his consciousness is disturbing and disturbed ALL, is my guess, on some level, except those that are unable to *feel.* And, now for some reason, it's the person who most vociferously opposed those three words and the person who wrote them in writing that is being attacked? Get a grip, get real. BW can issue an apology at any time; it isn't too late, yet, for him to take a little accountability for himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Two issues. Our opinions about what people want to post about here, and a clear line of safety concerning certain content meant to hurt people's reputation offline. Calling someone an assclown is an entirely different insult than accusing someone of illegal activity. And it is even more critical for a topic like child welfare where people can lose their rational minds and go after someone ala Salem witch trial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : I think that people who continued slinging insults at Jim, even after he'd left, demonstrate just as much addiction to conflict online. BOTH sides need to get the fuck over each other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Jim's post is a serious breach of the FFL guidelines and provides a chilling precedent for online slander meant to cause harm to someone in their real life. I hope anyone who agrees will first delete the slanderous message in the post before commenting. This is way over the line. I almost commented when Jim used a heading with an inflammatory statement just as Nabbie did in his little FU to FFL when he left. I believe it was maliciously intended to get the newsgroup in trouble with Yahoo. But this post is clearly meant to hurt Barry in his real life with a phrase taken out of context. The original context of Barry's hyperbole was to show something so universally considered heinous, that no one would miss his point that people in a cult mindset can overlook what is WRONG. In context it refers to cultural norms and reinforces them concerning child welfare. The intended use was obvious. For Jim to take it out of its context as if it revealed something else is a chilling use of misinterpretation to hurt someone's reputation online. Having been he victim of this myself here I understand how helpless you can feel when this is going on. I needed Rick's help and I got it, and I greatly appreciate that support for my free speech in safety here. I also want to comment on this misuse of a serious topic for a personal vendetta online. It is the lowest form of a get someone at any cost mentality to use child welfare as a pawn in a gotchya game online. By trivializing it by using someone's statement out of context, we add to the static that obscures real harm. People become numb to the accusation when it is misused this way. And in that maliciously generated cacophony, we miss real harm done to real kids by real bad people. I am against Jim's misappropriation of this topic on these grounds also. To pretend his malicious misuse of what Barry wrote is in support of child welfare is the sickest kind of cynicism. Hiding behind this topic to do harm to someone else here is disgusting. Finally,
