[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
The issue is NOT who your chosen expert is. It's that your knee-jerk reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught to. And the even bigger issue is that you're so brainwashed you don't know you're doing it. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . .He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So,I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 pagewith a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book iswhen the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY andJerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking theirphoto. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to
derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them.
I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some
reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it
off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop
asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and
revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles
instead of him.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist
was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM
himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had
abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her.
Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM
was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits
from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top
form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on
him.
The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it
went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just
avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using
every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but
unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything
useful.
And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the
right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have
encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually
accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were
really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them.
*He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many
of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them.
But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said
that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was
self-amusement, not comedy.
In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was
seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm
not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for
an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally
was Robin Williams.
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.:
Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru.
H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there.
What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw
them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of
humor.Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must
be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2
big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm
students.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
So let me get this straight. When people on this forum say they have no need
for God, you get offended and/or occasionally join the Fundies in putting them
down, but when Meister Eckhart says it, it's wise. Interesting. :-)
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~
Re I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God:
Man's last and highest parting occurs when, for God's sake, he takes leave of
God.
Meister Eckhart (AD 1260 – 1328), Christian mystic and theologian.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
Thanks, Xeno, for your always thoughtful reply. I will read some Anthony
DeMello. I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God
(not that it is the last thing, but that you will give it up). I have always
thought that MMY and other gurus who might be genuinely enlightened keep on
with the devotion and rules because for some folks it really does get them on
the road - even if in the end it was all a game. I don't know how many people
benefit from a spiritual path compared to how many get stuck or sidetracked in
the muck. I guess we just goe with what occurs
I too had an experience where I felt a part of it all - it was about a year
after I had learned to meditate. I had just finished my 20 or 30 minutes one
evening, went out to the patio and sit and look around. I felt as if my whole
head and body expanded and the whole Universe seemed to be slowly spiraling all
around. It was a huge black surge filled with stars and light. I assumed it
was Reality and illustrated the force of Evolution. Everything, everything was
caught up in this spiraling, slow flow. Nothing could escape it - so that any
bad or tragic events just got pulled along and made right, over time and in
the end, by this flow. It was entirely reassuring, altho not logical, of
course. It seemed to mean that everything was alright just as it happened and
would be made right somehow over time. It faded a while later, sadly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything useful. And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I will
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just avoiding
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. Are you watching Better Call Saul? Bevan's face looks like the reporter has just given Maharishi a Chicago sunroof. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed | | | | | | | | | | | Maharishi Exposed | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it went on as it was obvious he wasn't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Marshy used the avoidance technique a lot, even with his devotees. Looking at
his tapes now this is obvious - he would talk in circles until the idiot TM
teacher who had asked the question had forgotten what his questions was, and
most of the audience, being TB'ers chalked it up to Marshy being so cosmic he
had a hard time with the relative world, even with conversations or teaching.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist
was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM
himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had
abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her.
Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM
was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits
from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top
form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on
him.
The overall impression from that interview is that it got grating the longer it
went on as it was obvious he wasn't answering the questions seriously and just
avoiding them. This is my big complaint about him, it's all very well using
every question as an opportunity to give the answer you've already prepared but
unless you're already sold on that idea you aren't going to learn anything
useful.
And the sycophants in that interview were on top form too. Laughing in all the
right places and acting smug that they were on the winning side.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I will answer this one first, since s3ra anticipates the answer. :-) I have
encountered a number of spiritual teachers -- some of whom I might actually
accuse of being enlightened or as close to it as I've ever seen -- who were
really funny. Maharishi would not be one of them.
*He* was constantly amused at the things he said, and giggled at them, and many
of the people in the audiences giggled along because it was expected of them.
But if you go back and actually listen to those talks, he never actually said
that much that was actually funny and worth laughing at. It was
self-amusement, not comedy.
In contrast, the Fred Lenz-Rama guy (and a few other teachers I've met) was
seriously FUNNY. He could put whole audiences on the floor laughing, and I'm
not talking audiences of sycophants, but people off the street showing up for
an intro lecture. The only person I've ever seen faster on his feet mentally
was Robin Williams.
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~
Re He [MMY] did have a great sense of humor.:
Yes, to be fair to Maharishi, he was dubbed the giggling guru.
H. I wonder what Barry will say to that . . .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote :
An enlightened comedian/teacher. I like it. Laughing all the way there.
What fun. And it does remind me of some great moments around MMY - you saw
them too. Laugh out loud fun stuff. He did have a great sense of
humor.Adyashanti seems pretty careful about the whole guru business. It must
be so outrageously tempting to be in those guru positions. In the end, the 2
big essentials are: it helps get students wake up and it does not harm
students.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love the way Bevan and King Tony freak out at the end and esp Big Bopper Bevan has a look on his face as tho this reporter has just blasphemed against God Himself. The TMO hasn't put the video on Youtube for some reason, but this is the interview: Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shame... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html To his millions of dream-eyed devotees, he was the ultimate spiritual leader; a masterful guru whose meditation techniques could induce a state of e... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-512747/Lennon-right-The-Giggling-Guru-shameless-old-fraud.html Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
even after I had left the Movement, quit TM for years and knew that Marshy was a liar and financial manipulator, I still believed Marshy was life long celibate. Rick cured me of that. It is one of the last illusions to be vaporized by former TM junkies. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . .He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So,I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 pagewith a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book iswhen the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY andJerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking theirphoto. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
Yo, hable espaniol?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
NASA scientist predicts it.
Bold prediction, I think they should change it to: If it exists we'll be able
to detect traces of it but we won't know what it's like.
But can we actually communicate with them? That's another question.
We won't know if it's evolved enough to be communicated with just from looking
at the atmospheric traces they'll be able to see. And the speed of light rules
out a quick chat even if we take the chance and beam them a Hello.
But just knowing that there is any sort of complex life out there will be the
most amazing discovery. If they don't discover any, that will also be
interesting...
Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Chief Scientist Predicts
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Humanity is on the verge of discovering alien life, high-ranking NASA
scientists say. I think we're going to have strong indications of life beyond
Earth ... | |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
if you say so, it must be true. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The issue is NOT who your chosen expert is. It's that your knee-jerk reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught to. And the even bigger issue is that you're so brainwashed you don't know you're doing it. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys
[FairfieldLife] H+ The Digital Series
Following some IMDB links for Catriona Balfe (gorgeous star of the STARZ series Outlander), I discovered a SciFi Web series I'd never heard of, produced by Bryan Singer (producer of House, the X-Men movies, The Usual Suspects, etc.). It's odd, and I'm not sure it's really any good, but I pass it along because it's free (it's available on YouTube), each episode is short (5-6 minutes or so), and its subject matter might appeal to some here who are all a-feared of modern technology and what robotics and cybernetics might do to us. Here's the blurb from Wikipedia: The series is based on a future where one-third of the world's population has an implanted computer, named H+, which connects the human mind to the Internet 24 hours a day. The implant was created by a company called Hplus Nano Teoranta, an Irish biotechnology company founded with the intent of improving the medical sector with technology. The story begins in medias res, depicting the effects of a virus which infects the H+ implant. Concurrent episodes go back and forward in time to different settings, and various characters' viewpoints are used to tell the story. Here's the trailer: H+ The Digital Series - Official Trailer | | | | | | | | | | | H+ The Digital Series - Official Trailer | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Here's the complete first (and as far as I know only) season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZedLgAF9aEglist=PLE6A2F3ACDDA10C28
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
It appears that the scientist just wants to see her name published on the
internet. Or, she wants to get promoted by her employer.
The search for alien life is a headline I'll always click on. I can't think of
many questions I'd rather know the answer to. Any sort of life would be
fascinating but something we can talk to is what everyone wants really and this
is the first step.
Something we can talk to? You CAN talk to something as it's eating you, but
that doesn't make the experience of being eaten any more pleasant. :-)
My big fear is that if aliens exist, they'll turn out to be the alien version
of early Christian explorers on Earth, and eager to convert us to their
religion. Just what we need...more crazies talking about Xenu. :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
NASA scientist predicts it.
Bold prediction, I think they should change it to: If it exists we'll be able
to detect traces of it but we won't know what it's like.
But can we actually communicate with them? That's another question.
We won't know if it's evolved enough to be communicated with just from looking
at the atmospheric traces they'll be able to see. And the speed of light rules
out a quick chat even if we take the chance and beam them a Hello.
But just knowing that there is any sort of complex life out there will be the
most amazing discovery. If they don't discover any, that will also be
interesting...
Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Chief Scientist Predicts
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Brontosaurus returns!
The lizard became extinct millions of years ago for a reason. Let it stay that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sadly not literally Brontosaurus is back! New analysis suggests genus might be resurrected http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Brontosaurus is back! New analysis suggests genus mig... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Despite its relegation to a subset of the Apatosaurus family in 1903, new research suggests that the Brontosaurus is distinct enough to be a genus View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
It appears that the scientist just wants to see her name published on the internet. Or, she wants to get promoted by her employer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : NASA scientist predicts it. Bold prediction, I think they should change it to: If it exists we'll be able to detect traces of it but we won't know what it's like. But can we actually communicate with them? That's another question. We won't know if it's evolved enough to be communicated with just from looking at the atmospheric traces they'll be able to see. And the speed of light rules out a quick chat even if we take the chance and beam them a Hello. But just knowing that there is any sort of complex life out there will be the most amazing discovery. If they don't discover any, that will also be interesting... Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Chief Scientist Predicts http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Ch... http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Humanity is on the verge of discovering alien life, high-ranking NASA scientists say. I think we're going to have strong indications of life beyond Earth ... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : It appears that the scientist just wants to see her name published on the internet. Or, she wants to get promoted by her employer. The search for alien life is a headline I'll always click on. I can't think of many questions I'd rather know the answer to. Any sort of life would be fascinating but something we can talk to is what everyone wants really and this is the first step. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : NASA scientist predicts it. Bold prediction, I think they should change it to: If it exists we'll be able to detect traces of it but we won't know what it's like. But can we actually communicate with them? That's another question. We won't know if it's evolved enough to be communicated with just from looking at the atmospheric traces they'll be able to see. And the speed of light rules out a quick chat even if we take the chance and beam them a Hello. But just knowing that there is any sort of complex life out there will be the most amazing discovery. If they don't discover any, that will also be interesting... Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Chief Scientist Predicts http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Ch... http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Humanity is on the verge of discovering alien life, high-ranking NASA scientists say. I think we're going to have strong indications of life beyond Earth ... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs of Alien Life Will be Found by 2025
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : It appears that the scientist just wants to see her name published on the internet. Or, she wants to get promoted by her employer. The search for alien life is a headline I'll always click on. I can't think of many questions I'd rather know the answer to. Any sort of life would be fascinating but something we can talk to is what everyone wants really and this is the first step. Something we can talk to? You CAN talk to something as it's eating you, but that doesn't make the experience of being eaten any more pleasant. :-) My big fear is that if aliens exist, they'll turn out to be the alien version of early Christian explorers on Earth, and eager to convert us to their religion. Just what we need...more crazies talking about Xenu. :-) But what if Xenu himself actually turns up? We'll have to convert to Scientology and replace our framed pictures of Maharishi/Jesus/Richard Dawkins etc with one of LHR and Miscavige or it's back in the volcano with us for another billion years. That'd be a turn up for the books ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : NASA scientist predicts it. Bold prediction, I think they should change it to: If it exists we'll be able to detect traces of it but we won't know what it's like. But can we actually communicate with them? That's another question. We won't know if it's evolved enough to be communicated with just from looking at the atmospheric traces they'll be able to see. And the speed of light rules out a quick chat even if we take the chance and beam them a Hello. But just knowing that there is any sort of complex life out there will be the most amazing discovery. If they don't discover any, that will also be interesting... Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Chief Scientist Predicts http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Signs of Alien Life Will Be Found by 2025, NASA's Ch... http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Humanity is on the verge of discovering alien life, high-ranking NASA scientists say. I think we're going to have strong indications of life beyond Earth ... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-life-found-2025-nasas-chief-scientist-212655192.html?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Powers of the Mind!
You'd probably like the opening scene in Birdman. On 04/08/2015 11:17 AM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Powers Of The Mind! (What we all can actually do!) https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA image https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA Powers Of The Mind! (What we all can actually do!) https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA We all the this magnificent power. I believe the key ingredients are belief and intense, laser-like concentration! We (YouAreCreators) created this channel t... View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.TradeWynds.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brontosaurus returns!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The lizard became extinct millions of years ago for a reason. Let it stay that way. Don't worry John, they're only giving it it's name back. There as a bit of confusion years ago when they thought they'd found a different species but decided they hadn't and have now decided it was a Brontosaurus all along. Which is good because I like the name - Thunder Lizard. It'd be a bit silly bringing things that size back to life - even if they could... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sadly not literally Brontosaurus is back! New analysis suggests genus might be resurrected http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Brontosaurus is back! New analysis suggests genus mig... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Despite its relegation to a subset of the Apatosaurus family in 1903, new research suggests that the Brontosaurus is distinct enough to be a genus View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/07/brontosaurus-is-back-new-analysis-suggests-genus-might-be-resurrected Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was anyone else out there watching Better Call Saul?
So Marco (Mel Rodriguez) reincarnates as Todd in Tucson in The Last Man on Earth. ;-) On 04/07/2015 02:37 PM, waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I too am nearly done Better Call Saul. Wonderful.
[FairfieldLife] Powers of the Mind!
Powers Of The Mind! (What we all can actually do!) https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA Powers Of The Mind! (What we all can actually do!) https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA We all the this magnificent power. I believe the key ingredients are belief and intense, laser-like concentration! We (YouAreCreators) created this channel t... View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/NnjJCs4YUCA Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine in the 1970s when TM was in it's prime the only competition were organizations where folks might wind up wearing kurtajamis. IOW, TM was successful then because of it's secularness. But though there had been yogis visiting the US since Vivekananda this was the age of mass media and the Beatles sprung TM into the public eye. Fast forward 40 years and there is more competition. Yoga has become quite a fad. Why spend nearly $1000 when you can do a weekend workshop and learn to meditate for far less? And there are more types of meditation courses available. 40 years ago the public knew little about meditation and now they have a lot more information available. There's nothing special about beej mantra meditation often sometimes practiced in India with no initiation. If people want to do TM, then fine, but let's cut the hyperbole. It makes fans look ignorant. On 04/08/2015 12:09 PM, tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Powers of the Mind!
Strangely enough, the video had nothing to do with levitation, but with qi, yin and yang. For instance using qi to make an aggressive tumor to disappear in a matter of minutes...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel (literally) that he simply *cannot handle* being treated like an ordinary person. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ The only time Marshy made me laugh was in an interview in Israel. A journalist was trying to pick holes in his ideas and used a story that he'd learnt TM himself on recommendation from his mother who was a devotee, but he had abandoned it after a few days and not had the heart to tell her. Whenever he saw her though, she always said You look so well, I told you TM was good for you. Marshy just laughed and said There, you see the benefits from doing TM for just a few days? and wet himself laughing. He was on top form in those days - at least in so far as not letting anyone get one over on him. The overall impression from that interview is
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose
of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that
should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an
official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of
what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if
you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another one Bites the Dust
Re There is no such thing as “enlightenment”: Are you claiming that if one could swap subjective states with the Buddha or Ramana Maharshi then the only *essential* difference (ignoring personal memories, cultural norms, etc) is that the so-called enlightened person would have a different conceptual take on Life? Instead of saying “enlightenment” how about saying “self-realization”? That term corresponds more fully to the idea of realizing Brahmâtman. Conceptuality is just another form of ideation so it comes and goes - it is incidental to realization. Advaita is clear that subjectivity is not collective but is distributive – separate between individuals. That explains why Nisargadatta didn’t have Ramana Maharshi’s memories or Ramana have Nisargasattas’ subjective consciousness. It explains why, when John goes to sleep, he doesn’t wake up as Dorothy. This also explains why, when John’s current thought about going early into work fades, the next thought to appear isn’t Kathleen’s thought to divorce her husband. The reason? The Self is awareness itself, the same in you and me. However, buddhi, ahamkara and manas are locus-unique to each individual consciousness. Are you saying that Richard Dawkins has an internal mental model that sees us as a product of blind mechanical processes amenable to scientific description, while a saint has an internal mental model that sees us as having an atman identical to the Self. A saint is a canonized Catholic holy person. The common use of that term on FFL is simply more amorphous Hindu bullshit. The word Atman mean Self. The atman is not identical to anything but rather is the “subjective face” of Brahman. As a man thinks . . . it's like believing the Sun circles the Earth rather than the Earth circling the Sun. Don't you wonder if the difference is not more radical? I suggest that an enlightened sage no longer allows his or her mental models to dominate their worldview or control their behaviour. Rather than “does not allow mental models to dominate” try “doesn’t allow mental modes to dominate” because he/she knows that sheer awareness is who they are. They are spontaneous in a way that escapes our mundane calculating thought. Beyond good and evil as they say. Re Any object, state or condition that has a beginning also has an end – by definition.: Very true. And that is why I am not an enlightened being. There may be many human beings with some “inner light” - which is what the word “enlightened” means. You proly are one. However, that is not special and it does not confer a special status upon anyone. Although I've had interesting spiritual experiences, such events have been only temporary, brief alterations of consciousness. Suggestive yes. But I won't be leading a religious reform movement in the near future. That would take a permanent shift in one's centre of awareness. Awareness has no center to shift to something else. However, the interface between BrahmAtman and the physical body is the causal heart – what Vyasa calls the citadel of Brahman. But reading Ramana Maharshi, for example, makes me suspect that he did indeed have that permanent shift. And so could be called enlightened. That which shifts is “that which does not endure” and by definition cannot be permanent. Wouldn't you agree that he is radically different than your average Joe? Both are sheer awareness. One was fully awakened to the singularity of his actual nature. The other one is partially or totally covered by his sanskaras (imprints and vasanas (karmic tendencies). Whether Joe wakes up or subsides into unconscious identification with his vasanas depends upon his store of karma and his conscious decisions. To know that we are not body, senses, pranas, mind, I-ness or intellect is a process that usually takes time. It all depends upon our aspiration and resolve to be free.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here is to place in into context alongside the recent Scientology documentary. You DON'T see any of the giggling guru evasions and distractions here. Maharishi is so used to being surrounded by toadies who accept everything he says as gospel
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/ On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up. Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist. His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose of superstition thrown in. ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that should be shut down. And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as they have always done. You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of what you want people to do. No thanks! *From:* tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.tradewynds.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
It's difficult to imagine how she would have been able to sneak past Jemima Pittman guarding the front door, Nandakishore in the next hut, and a skin-boy sleeping in the living room. It's also difficult to imagine her sleeping in MMY's arms - on a tiger-skin on the floor under a framed picture of SBS. That I would think, would have really mad Jemima JELLOS! It would be so uncharacteristic of MMY that it takes a real stretch of the imagination to think he would try to pull that kind of affair off in front of all those swamis and yogis up there in Rishikesh. It's just an outrageous and far-fetched kind of fantasy. It may be that she did climb in through the bathroom window, tomadssage MMY's feet and fell asleep, but apparently MMY's room didn't have a bathroom. But, how would she have ran across the ashram grounds with those ankle-bells ringing, and nobody even saw or heard a thing? According to what I've read in Nancy's book, you could have heard a pin drop in the middle of the night. It's probably all about the foot-play and the positioning and the posturing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
This doesn't explain why you went over to work for Rama, to recruit students for him, when everyone knows that Rama used to screw around with his female students all the time. You probably lied about this for years too. Go figure. Even now you can't admit the truth. I tried to take up for you when Judy called you a liar, but then you started bragging about that levitation BS, so I concluded that she was right - you make stuff up. It's not complicated. You lied for MMY and Rama for decades, so who would believe anything you say now? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
There's just no way the Maharishi can compare to all your accomplishments. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up. Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist. His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old dose of superstition thrown in. ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something that should be shut down. And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as they have always done. You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description of what you want people to do. No thanks! From: tradewyndsnet@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the light of Maharishi's teachings in a way that approaches all things anew. David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM. Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . . It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how to gather it. Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult if you know how. It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded assessments. Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in our global village. If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email. http://www.TradeWynds.net/ http://www.tradewynds.net/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
That's about it! And isn't there some FFL rule against posting that kind of
solicitation?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D
http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/
On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old
dose of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something
that should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not
an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description
of what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult
if you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using their muscle power to bounce back and forth on a bunch of slabs of foam. Bevan -- the proverbial 900 pound gorilla in the room -- is sitting there next to him with a big THIS will convince this guy and make him feel the *awe* he should feel towards us look on his face. Meanwhile, the reporter is sitting there alternating between being bored and amazed that anyone would consider this outrageous display impressive. Afterwards, interviewing one of the bouncing blissninnies, the BN says, When I do this I feel tremendous bliss...I could do this [hop like this] for hours -- back and forth. The reporter just says, But why would you? :-) Jump to about 5:20, when the reporter (via video) speaks the *obvious* to Maharishi, that the Beatles established his reputation to the world. NOT much giggling from the giggling guru. Instead, he starts to grow clearly angry and tries to browbeat the reporter into talking about what he wants instead of these damned Beatles. Jump to the 11:00 mark, in which the reporter asks him more hard questions, and Maharishi reacts very badly indeed, especially in reaction to the question, Can you fly yourself? At that point, the cult toadies cut the connection and Sir Bevan the Bloated tries to usher him out of the room using the same uber-gay wave-your-hand gesture he'd use to convince someone to kneel during TM instruction. This is one of the most damning exposes I've ever seen about TM, but my point in reposting it here
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He's a frail old man on death's door. *I* never claimed he was beyond death's infirmaties and neither did he. Quite the opposite, if you were paying attention. So megalomania is a symptom of old age now? I'll watch out for that in my parents. I also think that if you'd spent any time at all living in the TMO you might know them - and Marshy - rather better. Or at least enough to know what everyone thought about him, and it wasn't that he was subject to death's vicissitudes. Quite the opposite. The shock that greeted his obvious dementia was palpable and was rationalised in the usual ways He must be carrying the karma of the world etc. Quite why they let him preach on TV all day every day is beyond me. It used to make me angry that he wasn't propped up in bed with a box of chocolates but that wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to rant and rage at the world that had ignored him, and this he did. With gusto. Quite why anyone would think he would get a free pass (or be deserved one) from a journalist when his major achievement was teaching the Beatles to meditate is beyond me. And it isn't like the question was unreasonable. But his reply speaks volumes, obviously you put that down to infirmity rather than admit that you'd have to change your perception of him. Perhaps if he'd got more open minded enquiry throughout his life rather than being surrounded by yes-men who knew not to ask about George and Ringo or Deepak, or whoever else was the non-flavour of the month, it wouldn't have all got quite so Ozymandias at the end? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : When 85 year olds agree to give TV interviews, they have a right to specify which questions will and will not be asked. Reporters can ignore this and score points with their viewers, but most reporters respect their interviewee's wishes because word gets around. Obviously, this guy didn't care if word got around. Oh, cry us a river Lawson. If Marshy was half of what he claimed this would be a line on air instead of an obvious affront to his egomania. Any journalist visiting such a cult-ish group will try and get something that peers beneath the carefully cultivated veneer put out by the PR handlers and the the fact that Marshy wouldn't actually meet him must have said something important about what was going on. And all anyone knows - or cares - about TM is that the Beatles learned, so why would he refuse to answer a question about it? No journalist worth his salt would leave without trying to get a quote on the only thing somebody is known for. You can't have it both ways, he can't be an evolved being so far beyond normal consciousness that he experiences the actual unified field of the universe and also a scared old man trying to hide his past. Get a grip. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ about friendship ~~~ Maharishi's giggling was -- as you suggest -- a passive-aggressive way to derail questions he didn't want to deal with and pretend to be unfazed by them. I wish I had a link to that video clip towards the end of his life when some reporter tried to keep asking about the Beatles. At first he tried to laugh it off and pull his giggling routine again, but when the reporter wouldn't stop asking about the Beatles Maharishi finally lost it and got angry at him and revealed how much his ego was affronted by someone asking about the Beatles instead of him. Here it is. It's one of the rare interviews in which the TMO pre-screening process didn't keep the reporter from actually asking hard questions. The interview (Maharishi in another room entirely) starts at about the 40 second mark and continues throughout the clip. Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo You can imagine how much I like this Australian interviewer's 'tude. He's clearly a no-bullshit kinda guy having people pour buckets of bullshit over him and tell him it's Kool-Aid, and he ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid. He also isn't buying a minute of it. He keeps puncturing the TMO fantasy-balloons and bringing the blissninnies down to earth. One of my favorite moments at about the 3:00 minute mark shows him sitting in a chair forced to watch a bunch of TM butt-bouncers *clearly* using
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
How can you say that which is beyond all verbal description, risen above all concepts could be 'beyond god is the godhead' and that our ground of 'being is identical to the godhead' which as a concept is just shifting the idea of god up a notch and giving it a new name by demoting the 'god' name and replacing it with the 'godhead' name. If you are going to name things that cannot be conceptualised, why not give it a name that nobody can understand or figure out rather than one that has obvious personal, societal, philosophical, and religious connotations for most people? Even the basic idea of a 'ground' conveys common concepts, such as the stability of standing on earth rather than, say, falling off a cliff without a tether. The mind can grasp experiences that cannot be explained verbally, but giving names with common pre-programmed associations certainly cannot be in the service of make such experiences credible. Such experiences have to be talked around, not at directly, by referring to them in multiple non-overlapping ways to keep the mind from hanging its hat on some single piece of nonsense. The more the mind is not locked into a particular idea, the more likely an experience will slip through one's delusions about such experiences. Otherwise you just promote a particular nonsensical facet of what is attempting to be conveyed. If you can describe a non-verbal experience in as many ways as the following list describes the concept of nonsense, perhaps you might better convey a sense, and only a sense to a mind that is interested in having such an experience. An experience that is non-verbal and cannot be described renders all words concerning it nonsense. Nothing you could say about it could possibly be true. In other words, if you really want to attempt such a feat you have to lie, lie, lie through your teeth with a confident smile of knowingness on your face as you con the person into the idea there is such a thing as enlightenment, or whatever similar idiocy you are trying to convey in as many ways as possible. It's reductionism in its worst form, trying to reduce an irreducible experience to a phrase someone thinks they understand. You do not want them to understand, you just want them to have the experience, you have to pull the ground out from under their feet. You have to throw them over a mental cliff from which they cannot recover. Word Definition ackamarackus pretentious or deceptive nonsense baboonery foolishness; stupidity; nonsense balderdash nonsense; a jumble of words ballyhoo bombastic or pretentious nonsense baloney humbug; nonsense bambosh deceptive nonsense bilge lower point of inner hull of a ship; nonsense or rubbish blague humbug; pretentious nonsense blague pretentious nonsense blarney skilful flattery; nonsense bletherskate a garrulous talker of nonsense brimborion worthless nonsense; trash bugaboo loud or empty nonsense buncombe speech-making intended for the mass media; humbug bunk nonsense; humbug bushwa nonsense cack rubbish; worthless nonsense claptrap showy language designed to gain praise; nonsense clatfart idle chatter; nonsense codswallop something utterly senseless; nonsense effutiation twaddle; humbug eyewash humbug; something done merely for effect fadoodle nonsense falderal nonsense; meaningless refrain of a song fandangle pretentious tomfoolery fiddlededee nonsense fiddle-faddle trifling talk flam humbug; trickery flannel ostentatious nonsense flapdoodle gross flattery; nonsense flimflam nonsense; trickery flummadiddle nonsense; humbug flummery anything insipid; empty compliment; humbug fribble frivolous nonsense; a trifling thing or person fustian pretentious writing or speech; inflated or nonsensical language galbanum nonsense; a kind of gum resin galimatias nonsense; confused mixture of unrelated things gammon to feign an action; perpetrate a hoax on; nonsense, rubbish gibberish nonsense talk grimgribber learned gibberish; legal jargon haver foolish nonsense hibber-gibber gibberish hogwash nonsense; worthless idea hooey nonsense; humbug humbug nonsense jabberwock nonsense, gibberish jiggery-pokery deceptive or manipulative humbug kelter nonsense kidology deceptive trickery; nonsense linsey-woolsey coarse inferior wool or wool-flax weave; nonsense or confusion macaroni nonsense; foolishness malarkey humbug; nonsense morology nonsense mullock nonsense; rubbish mumbo-jumbo obscure nonsense narrischkeit foolishness; nonsense nugament nonsense; trifle phonus-bolonus exaggerated trickery or nonsense piddle nonsense pigwash rubbish; nonsense poppycock humbug; nonsense posh nonsense quatsch nonsense rannygazoo foolish nonsense razzmatazz meaningless talk; hype; nonsense rhubarb nonsense; actors' nonsense background chatter riddle-me-ree nonsense language rottack rubbish; nonsense schmegeggy nonsense; an idiot shuck nonsense skittles rubbish; nonsense slipslop nonsensical talk spinach
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
That's about it! And isn't there some FFL rule against posting that kind of
solicitation?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Is this the picture you're looking for? :-D
http://funnyand.com/funny-man-meditating-middle-finger/
On 04/08/2015 01:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I would rather send you a picture of my middle finger sticking up.
Marshy was a liar, cheat and thief, not to mention a con artist.
His teachings were a mish mash of Hindu religion, belief with a big old
dose of superstition thrown in.
ANY organization that purports to spread Marshy's teachings is something
that should be shut down.
And if you are part of the Movement, you motives are obvious, if you are not
an official Movement big shot, then you are stupid if you think the Movement is
going to do anything with any money you give them besides make it disappear as
they have always done.
You website is one big red flag. A lot of platitudes and no real description
of what you want people to do. No thanks!
From: tradewynds...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The TMO in the 21st Century
Imagine 21st century yoga centers for every million population that bring the
light of Maharishi's
teachings in a way that approaches all things anew.
David Lynch and Bob Roth have the intention of teaching millions of people TM.
Along with intention, illumined attention and creative intelligence . . .
It takes money, and the trick to money is knowing where it is and knowing how
to gather it.
Growing a small account to a very large and growing account isn't difficult
if you know how.
It begins with knowing the possibilities and not making any ungrounded
assessments.
Imagine self-sustaining, fully-funded centers, with highly qualified and paid
teachers offering affordable Maharishi-inspired Vedic education everywhere in
our global village.
If there are any computer programers, MQL4 developers or Forex traders
interested in exploring the possibilities, send me an email.
http://www.TradeWynds.net/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ~~~~~~~~~~ about friendship ~~~~~~~~~~~
Re when Meister Eckhart says it, it's wise.: Dawkins and co are *reductive* and try to pooh-pooh the God idea. We're just animals too clever for our own good. Eckhart wants his listeners to *rise above* all concepts - including that of God. Beyond God is the Godhead which is beyond all verbal description. The ground of our being is identical to the Godhead. It's western Advaita Vedanta. (It's also heresy!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So let me get this straight. When people on this forum say they have no need for God, you get offended and/or occasionally join the Fundies in putting them down, but when Meister Eckhart says it, it's wise. Interesting. :-) From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ~~ about friendship ~~~ Re I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God: Man's last and highest parting occurs when, for God's sake, he takes leave of God. Meister Eckhart (AD 1260 – 1328), Christian mystic and theologian. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : Thanks, Xeno, for your always thoughtful reply. I will read some Anthony DeMello. I like the idea that the last thing you give up is your idea of God (not that it is the last thing, but that you will give it up). I have always thought that MMY and other gurus who might be genuinely enlightened keep on with the devotion and rules because for some folks it really does get them on the road - even if in the end it was all a game. I don't know how many people benefit from a spiritual path compared to how many get stuck or sidetracked in the muck. I guess we just goe with what occurs I too had an experience where I felt a part of it all - it was about a year after I had learned to meditate. I had just finished my 20 or 30 minutes one evening, went out to the patio and sit and look around. I felt as if my whole head and body expanded and the whole Universe seemed to be slowly spiraling all around. It was a huge black surge filled with stars and light. I assumed it was Reality and illustrated the force of Evolution. Everything, everything was caught up in this spiraling, slow flow. Nothing could escape it - so that any bad or tragic events just got pulled along and made right, over time and in the end, by this flow. It was entirely reassuring, altho not logical, of course. It seemed to mean that everything was alright just as it happened and would be made right somehow over time. It faded a while later, sadly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
It's not surprising that you are so screwed up in the head after going through what you've been through, even though it's been what, 34 years now? Sometimes it takes decades to get out of the trance-induction state and sort out the cognitive dissonance. Some recovering cult members have actually gone bat-shit crazy - calling in the cops on their friends and posting lewd material on the internet in retaliation for losing a religious debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : even after I had left the Movement, Non sequitur. Maybe you got kicked off the cult compound. The question is, why? Maybe because you sucked as a baker, or maybe it was because you couldn't keep your big pie-hoe shut about other staff, students or administrators private sex lives. Just be honest with yourself. You were supposed to be celibate but maybe you just couldn't get over not having a sex life of your own. That often happens in cults where the single cult members are supposed to be doing spiritual work and their normal sex drives are suppressed. According to what I've read, in order to help you deal with this issue, the cult leaders often force members to you work long hours in a kitchen and inflicted sleep deprivation on you, making you sleep alone inside a pod. I cna't be;ieve you let them boss you around and make you get down on your hands and knees and pray to the demi-gods. Gawd! You were probably forced to watch endless hours of cultnpropaganda videos, instead of watching broadcast TV, right? quit TM for years and knew that Marshy was a liar and financial manipulator, I still believed Marshy was life long celibate. Non sequitur. What were you doing in the Maharishi's bedroom? LoL! Rick cured me of that. It is one of the last illusions to be vaporized by former TM junkies. Non sequitur. Have you ever considered visiting a real cult-exit counselor? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO
