[FairfieldLife] World's most dangerous country?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New member introduces herself
Hey Ron - Not sure there is a relationship here, but after Moriah's introducing herself I cannot find any more posts by her. Anyway, I read your reply to her introduction and spotted this turd of ignorance left behind by yourself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7...@... wrote: --- In swam...@yahoogroups.com, Moriah Kaplan xmoriah49@ wrote: [mercy snip] * In Peru I spent some time with some Shamans - the experiences there deepened the awareness of union with nature energytically - vibrating in the same frequency .pointing to the oness G i don't advise the useage of ayahuasca or any types of drugs within the path. They are unpredicatable and leave many in states of a disconnect which has no balance within it. [mercy snip] You don't really know what you are talking about do you..? It's actually works completely the opposite way around - and I now address the entire community reading this reply/post. If you're one of these long-term TMers which has this feeling of having become stuck - that in spite of deep experiences during years of programming there remain these hidden sleeping elephants, or whatever, that just wont go away. There may even be physical impairments. And you may have this even after doing PK treatments and what else. Well, your freedom, final spiritual emanicipation, is only hours away - if that's what your presence within the confines of the TMO is really about. Drop me an email for contact details to the best place to do Ayahuasca in Peru at this time. peterkl...@yahoo.com.au. Cheers, PK
[FairfieldLife] Re: New member introduces herself
peterklutz[at]yahoo[dot]com[dot]au
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Saudi's Obsession with Oil, Black Cubes and Death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/16/07 10:12:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: What od youn make of the fact that the suicide bombs that go off in Baghadad on a daily basis, killing scores of civilians, and offering an excuse to keep US forces there are in fact US cruise missiles lobbied into down town Bagdad? ROFLOL!! ROFL Bwana apparently thinks killing is funny. Actually, I think what you want others to believe is hysterical. FWIW, there may well be a grain (but only a grain) of truth to what Peter says, in that one explosion in 2003 may have been caused by a U.S. air-fired weapon (though not a cruise missile) that went astray and landed in a market, killing 60 people. The link Peter provided has details. The U.S., natch, has denied it, but the incident has never been thoroughly investigated, and it remains uncertain exactly what happened. THE PLAN Strategic objective: world domination Operational objective: capture and hold land where to build world government capital, location (Persian Gulf) of which for administrative and geopoliticla reasons need to be at the center of Euroasian landmass - the largest landmass on Earth Tactical objectives: (1) erect permanent several military bases in the area to be able to defend the future world government capital; (2) relocate key corporate headquarters to the world government capital to be UPDATE 1 Strategic objective: not quite there Operational objective: military victory over the Saddam-regime in Iraq swiftly accomplished. Other Iraqi civilian leaders prepared to cooperate and resume power in creating a new society. Forces on standby as new reasons for attacking neighbouring countries are drummed up. Tactical objectives: (1) military bases established; (2) corporate headquarters relocated to the area. Massive construction under way at southern coastline ot the Gulf Snag: Given the swift victory there are public expectations of force withdrawal. Proposal: create a situation of internal chaos and a armed resistance as excuse to stay and continue the colinsation of the area - (1) Destroy the legacy institutions most capable of restoring a peacefully functioning society - i.e. dismantle the Iraqi army (2) create internal resistance - fund and train local resistance for internal terror campaigns (3) open up the borders and pull neighbouring countries into the fray (4) How to cope with the problem that the public (no doubt after our decade of bombing) seems disinterested in continuing the blodshed? What is needed is to put the match to the powder keg we just created: a. Conduct false flags ops where our special forces teams attack our regular forces as well as the newly created Iraqu national police and blame it on the resistance b. Send in a few cruise missiles into downtown Baghadad on a busy day c. Have US troops react and kill indiscriminately in ways that further strengthen local opposition to our presence UPDATE 2 Most of the tactical objectives from last update now resolved. Issue now opposition at home. Proposal: spread the chaos to neighboring countries a s a p ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Saudi's Obsession with Oil, Black Cubes and Death'
Well, the answer to that question is really simple, Robert - we don't: violence is alien to human nature, we're a herbivorous species with a nervous systems that allows us to reach and hold enlightenment. What appears to have happened is that another species (one in some respectes more scientifically intelligent, but which do not have the human capacity for enlightenment) has taken control over this planet and tricked the human race into believing violence is part of their nature and that war is some sort of natural phenomenon. War, as has been seen for the last few thousands of years, is in my mind not a natural thing at all - it has consistently been created by minds so incredible evil that they can only be understood as non-human You may try to fit any theories of a shape-shifting reptilians wherever you can into the above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: From the Associated Press: Marine: Beating of Iraqis Became Routine July 15,2007 | CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. -- A Marine corporal testifying in a court-martial said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to crank up the violence level. Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas. We were told to crank up the violence level, said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense. Yes, sir, war is hell, that's for sure: either side your on... In any age, in any time, same lesson is there: war is hell. Why do we like to create these hells, as a species... That's the question we need to ask.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
WHat part of the guy never existed don't you get? You might as well build a statue of MIckey Mouse and worship that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Jesus who? The fictional character invented by the Illuminati to mind-control the West thru their prison-religion Christian ity? Whatever you wish to think about the one called Jesus of Nazareth; His message is one of greatness, any old way you look at it. He is the one that was brave enough to take the path he did. For a man to become enlightened and then willingly go through the pain of death, much like Socrates in Greece, takes pure guts... So, whatever you think of Jesus, he was surely a dude!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Saudi's Obsession with Oil, Black Cubes and Death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Ah, so we're now back to blaming the arabs for the Illuminati controlled genocide in Iraq. Yeah! So why don't the Saudi's take some of their black gold and help their arab bros, that are killing each other in Iraq. It's arab on arab now... I guess that's our fault too? Why don't you tkae some your of Illuminati propaganda and shove it up your scaly ass?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Saudi's Obsession with Oil, Black Cubes and Death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Ah, so we're now back to blaming the arabs for the Illuminati controlled genocide in Iraq. Yeah! So why don't the Saudi's take some of their black gold and help their arab bros, that are killing each other in Iraq. It's arab on arab now... I guess that's our fault too? INSERTION OF INFO DELETED BY SHAPE-SHIFTING REPTILIAN AND ILLUMANITY WANNA-BE ROBERT GIMBEL What od youn make of the fact that the suicide bombs that go off in Baghadad on a daily basis, killing scores of civilians, and offering an excuse to keep US forces there are in fact US cruise missiles lobbied into down town Bagdad? http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1613 Or that the insurrection against US trained Iraqi police officers are in fact British SAS soldiers? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00052.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/20/wirq20.xmlsShee\ t=/news/2005/09/20/ixnewstop.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip The luciferian opening you extol, and which the Illuminati so desperatelly wants humanity to believe in, is by your own confession to fall into amnesia about all levels of existence except the five sense reality. This amnesia is not the point of start of dynamic will, awareness or self discovery - it's the dead end of all these things and the place where the Illuminati wishes to keep humanity indefinitely: Perhaps, but that would be impossible as the spark of divinity exists in us all, waiting for release. I think the point of awareness in the five senses is to learn the lessons of life thru the experiences of opposites, (i.e. pleasure from good-pain from bad) it's a sort of nursery school for infant humanity, hopefully we will all graduate, but never stay here indefinitely. (1) It is certainly impossible in terms of Spirit, but once they GMO and microchip us - the bodies we now have at our disposal may have become useless as tools for experiences outside of the five senses. (2) But there is nothing there to learn :-) This whole hierchial graduate thinking is an illusion imposed on you to make you believe you are not worthy of being what you already are. What you in effect are saying is: O please Lord, keep me in prison a little bit longer since I do not yet feel worthy of being released. I don't remember why, but these feeling of guilt and inferiority I experience must be the result of myself being a relly bad person - if not in this life than surely in some previous one. The feelings are illusions invented by the Illuminati and imposed on you to enslave you and the rest of humanity. There is no natural place for them in Life (remorse, inferiority or the Illuminati) - they are all manufactured things that need of constant reinforcement not to fall apart by themselves. And the only thing you need to do is to remember who you are!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush Regime: Destoyed Center of Gravity in Bagdhad'
What has been going on in Iraq since 1991 is the depopulation of that country: indicators of which are i.a. the staggering child mortality. The Illuminati plan is to base their planned World Government in the that place. The reason for this is not nostalgia (and I differ from Icke here), but the same reason that made them chose that location afdter the great deluge - geopolitics. Iraq/Iran is at the very center of the Euroasian continent so it's the (only) logical choice to base a government bent on worl ddominiation. Here's an advance notice of how this will happen this time: since the game appears to be up as far a constructing a fictious arab threat to the world, and the chinese leadership seems to clever to be pulled into the game, the final trick to be played on mankind may very well be the threat of an alien invasion. Yes, keep giggling while you can. It will happen when the USAF opens the doors to their underground bases and let their armada of Nazi-stolen antigravity tehcnology persuade us about this - which will then be the immediate justification for mircochipping every human on the planet. The result will be that only complex living organisms which sends out positive RFID responses to NATO hunt and kill units will be spared immediate annihilation. I.e. anyone refusing to be microchipped will met instant death with the defense of being an alien. I.e. The same everyone-who-is-not-for-us-is-against-us-rationale that has filled secret prisons around the world with terrorists. You can stop this bullshit right now, right today, but refusing to fund the madness by not paying federal tax. Believe it or not, US courts have confirmed these taxes to be unconstotutional, i.e. illegal - a nice little fact the government and IRS have been doing a good job in keeping people from knowing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The evil unleashed, since this invasion has become mind numbing: from the prison fiasco, to the Iraq museum fiasco, to the lies, and false ridiculous theory's of political process, it still goes on... Saddam, evil as he was, looks like kindergarten now, compared to the reality on the ground, after 'Shock Awe, and so many long years, lives shattered, souls shaken, unbelievable! I think George Bush will be remembered in much the same way as Napoleon Bonaparte of France, when somehow, someway, he made himself into some kind of emperor, spreading democracy around the kingdom... - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] .. the only thing you need to do is to remember who you are! .. to suggest a mere mortal could devise a plan to thwart the will of almighty God would render God impotent which is not the case. The thwarting involved is based on introducing/enhancing the sense of duality and element of amnesia of who you really are. The Illuminati conspiracy to keep humanity enslaved indefinitely does not exclusively involve incarnated entities. God can dissolve creation at any time he chooses as creation is nothing but a dream in the mind of God. If you really believe this, why this statement? The path to remembering who you are is the path of Dharma or Righteousness, that is to come into alignment with the laws of nature which are carrying all things to ultimate perfection thru evolution. Or, like you said...remember who you are, a spark of the almighty. There is no path! There are no laws! The concept of laws and paths are part of the illusion! As si the notion of a state of perfection, ultimate or not, in the relative! More precisely, the belief in them as requirements for spiritual evolution is a particular subtype of illusion handtailored by the Illumanity for controlling audiences who have somehow glimpsed that there is more to life than meets the eyes and would like to get bail out of the illusion pronto. Given your belief that God can terminate His/Her dream at any moment why don't you just do that and wake up from your dream - right here and right now? It is who you are! Isn't it? The essence of everything that exists, ever has existed and ever will exist!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: There is no path! There are no laws! The concept of laws and paths are part of the illusion! As is the notion of a state of perfection, ultimate or not, in the relative! The trick is to dispel the illusion, not just by denial of its existence but by un-entanglement of the jiva/soul with it! Mere denial is not enough, the residual samskaras (impressions in the mind) are deeply rooted in the subconscious. Awareness of the one 'Reality' (God), at those subtle levels alone, dispels the notion of duality/illusion, not till then. To describe realization as something at the end of a path is describing it from within a state of illusion in a - per definition - deluded way. The reasons for persising with such a description can be several. It can, for example, be the expression of a sincere seeker dong his or her best to describe what they see but keeps thinking they have not yet achieved. It can also be the description insisted on by someone who seeks to thwart attempts of immediate, effortless and spontaneous self-realization by just remembering who they are. Which is your excuse for putting up roadblocks?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Longitude_______was/'Imagine~ Tomorrow...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There definitely is an inner parallel to awakening. In it's eastern sense, it would refer to the states of consciousness known as the arising of mandalas and the arising of letters. More like the arising of the whiff of bullshit.. === CAVEAT LECTOR === After an exchange of postings a few months ago it became evident that the poster calling him- or herself Vaj is a high-ranking Freemason and possibly an Illuminati agent active on this list. For more details cf posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132902 === END CAVEAT LECTOR ===
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is There an Artificial God?
The Illuminati certainly wants us to believe in one of their Gods. And perhaps most important about fictitions thing money, with which the Illuminati keeps individuals and nations under a rapidly tightening leash: money did not come about by accident - they are a carefully crafted tool honed over many centuries. Quiz: Whats does JFK and Abe Lincon have in common? Just before their respective assassinations they stated their clear intention to cut the ties of USA with the so-called Federal Reserve and have the US government start issuing it's own interest-free money. Today, we have been hypnotizied to believe that having an independent central bank is part and parcel of a democratic system. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A gently mind-bending address to Digital Biota 2, the Second Annual Conference on Cyberbiology, in 1998 by the late Douglas Adams: http://www.biota.org/people/douglasadams/ Excerpts: ...Money is a completely fictitious entity, but it's very powerful in our world; we each have wallets, which have got notes in them, but what can those notes do? You can't breed them, you can't stir fry them, you can't live in them, there's absolutely nothing you can do with them that's any use, other than exchange them with each other - and as soon as we exchange them with each other all sots of powerful things happen, because it's a fiction that we've all subscribed toIf we were all to vanish, money would simply vanish too. Money has no meaning outside ourselves, it is something that we have created that has a powerful shaping effect on the world, because it's something we all subscribe to ...The society of Bali is...all defined by the church; they have very peculiar calendars and a very peculiar set of customs and rituals, which are precisely defined and, oddly enough, they are fantastically good at being very, very productive with their rice harvest. In the 70s, people came in and noticed that the rice harvest was determined by the temple calendar. It seemed to be totally nonsensical, so they said, 'Get rid of all this, we can help you make your rice harvest much, much more productive than even you're, very successfully, doing at the moment. Use these pesticides, use this calendar, do this, that and the other'. So they started and for two or three years the rice production went up enormously, but the whole predator/prey/pest balance went completely out of kilter. Very shortly, the rice harvest plummeted again and the Balinese said, 'Screw it, we're going back to the temple calendar!' and they reinstated what was there before and it all worked again absolutely perfectly ...As we become more and more scientifically literate, it's worth remembering that the fictions with which we previously populated our world may have some function that it's worth trying to understand and preserve the essential components of, rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water; because even though we may not accept the reasons given for them being here in the first place, it may well be that there are good practical reasons for them, or something like them, to be there
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
Jesus who? The fictional character invented by the Illuminati to mind-control the West thru their prison-religion Christian ity? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [snip] .. the only thing you need to do is to remember who you are! .. to suggest a mere mortal could devise a plan to thwart the will of almighty God would render God impotent which is not the case. The thwarting involved is based on introducing/enhancing the sense of duality and element of amnesia of who you really are. The Illuminati conspiracy to keep humanity enslaved indefinitely does not exclusively involve incarnated entities. Jesus said, The Kingdom of Heaven is within, also, Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all else will be added unto you. This jives perfectly with Maharishi's teaching... And it is true, that there are many other entities, which are attracted to you, when you are angry, or in a state of despair, and other lower vibrational states... The people who commit suicide, or blow themselves up: these are people possessed with these lower vibrations... The weapons industry, the obsession with death, and destruction. The mocking of spirituality in the media. It is more than a few people controlling everything- we are all susceptible to the flu of fear and mind control... This so-called Illuminati conspiracy, I believe attempts to simplify everything into a neat black and white package, and being obsessed with conspiracy theory's is another way to keep you distracted with evil... So, the best thing to do is to stay in a spiritual clean place yourself; stay out of the muck, and mud, so to speak. There are ways to release negative energies, from your aura... It is all up to your intention. Ask, and ye shall receive
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Saudi's Obsession with Oil, Black Cubes and Death'
Ah, so we're now back to blaming the arabs for the Illuminati controlled genocide in Iraq. What od youn make of the fact that the suicide bombs that go off in Baghadad on a daily basis, killing scores of civilians, and offering an excuse to keep US forces there are in fact US cruise missiles lobbied into down town Bagdad? http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1613 Or that the insurrection against US trained Iraqi police officers are in fact British SAS soldiers? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00052.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/20/wirq20.xmlsSheet=/news/2005/09/20/ixnewstop.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saudis play big role in Iraqi insurgency BAGHDAD, July 15: While U.S. officials often blame Syria and Iran for fueling the insurgency in Iraq, the largest number of militants come from Saudi Arabia, it was reported. About 45 percent of all foreign fighters in Iraq are Sunni extremists from Saudi Arabia, with the remaining majority coming from Syria, Lebanon and North Africa, The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday. Almost half of the 135 foreigners in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia, said a senior U.S. military official who gave the statistics to The Times. Saudi fighters are believed to be responsible for more suicide bombings than any other nationality, the newspaper reported. In the last six months, suicide bombings have killed or injured nearly 4,000 Iraqis. At best, Saudi Arabia has been unable to keep its citizens from fueling the attacks in Iraq, the newspaper reported. At worst, Saudi officials share complicity in sending Sunni extremists to kill U.S. soldiers, Iraqi civilians and those in the Shiite-led government in Baghdad, the Times reported. --- UPI - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: snip If it is such a small issue about the Guru declaring the disciple enlightened and then giving charge to that one to be a guru, why did Yogananada do it? why to many Guru's make this point as being so significant? Sat Gurus don't grow on trees, in this day and age you'd think so! MMY has never claimed to be a Sat Guru, his honesty is refreshing. Yet, he still offers an effective technique for Self Realization, although, at some point a Sat guru may step in and help a *sincere* devotee out, not till then. One must have very good karma to get the personal attention of a Sat Guru.there may not even be any on the planet as we speak, at least not in the west!! Again this need for someone else. Is everyone on this list either brainwashed or an Illuminati agent?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...
The western democracy bombing of Iraq has been going on for a decade and a half by now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations to Joe Seeheusen for picking up the ball and helping organize the Ron Paul for President campaign in Iowa. You know Ron is a good candidate when his fellow Republicans, like Rudy Giuliani, hate him even being in the debate. He is the only republican who told the truth. We have been bombing Iraq for 10 years. You think our meddling in everybody elses affairs has caused some animosity? Ya think? Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pray for evaporation of evil plans...'
Hello Robert Whose evil plans? (1) The German Minister for Interior affairs, in his recent proposal that Germany introduce legislation in support of preventive assassinations of people they call terrorists? (2) The GWB bloodline attempt to turn the world into a global fascist dictatorship by creating problems (Oklahoma and 9/11 were inside jobs) whose only solution appears to be further enslavement of the human species? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Officials Warn of Possible Attacks A combination intelligence chatter, a suspicious video, and arrests along the Pakistani border have led authorities to warn that the threat of terrorist attacks in Germany is real. MARCO-URBAN.DE August Hanning, alarmed. Germany faced an elevated threat of terrorism on Friday because of its involvement in Afghanistan, according to officials who say the risk of an attack here is as high as it has ever been since September 11, 2001. We are alarmed, the normally mild-mannered August Hanning, Deputy Secretary at the Federal Ministry of the Interior, told reporters on Thursday evening. Hanning said the level of so-called chatter from intelligence sources reminded him of the weeks just before September 11. German as well as foreign intelligence agencies have received hints about plans, groups, and individual extremists who may be planning an attack in Germany. We have moved fully into the target range of Islamist terror, said Hanning, who used to lead Germany's intelligence service, the BND. One source of concern for the government is a video that surfaced on the Afghan-Pakistani border on June 9. The video -- which has since been broadcast on ABC News in the United States -- shows the brother of a recently killed Taliban commander, Mullah Dadullah, in front of a group of his hooded followers, who crouch on the ground. What bothers German authorities about this clip is that four groups of these men -- supposedly suicide bombers -- leave Mansour Dadullah's presence to mount attacks in four separate countries: Germany, Canada, the United States, and Great Britain. The supposed reason is revenge for the NATO-led peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan. Supporting suspicion raised by this video -- which may just be propaganda -- is US intelligence arising from surveillance of known German extremists. Based on US information, the German Interior Ministry believes at least 10 Islamist radicals with roots in Germany are currently in Pakistani training camps. On June 10, in fact, two Germans and one Kirghiz man were arrested along the Afghan-Pakistani border on terrorism charges. Pakistani officials say they were outfitted with satellite phones and radio devices and were either on their way to or from a training camp. A German TV broadcaster, N24, reported that they were planning suicide attacks in Germany. Border security measures have been tightened as a result of the new intelligence, according to German officials. With reporting by Matthias Gebauer - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Imagine~ Tomorrow/Saturday - Fire the Grid- 6:11 AM CST'
11:11? Is this grid idea a freemasonic / Illuminati attempt to reinforce some satanist ritual they plan to enact at these times? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: July 17, 2007 at 11:11 GMT document.write(localTime); 04:11 (4:11 AM) in your time zone http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/home-fr-eng.htm On July 17 at 11:11 GMT document.write(localTime); 04:11 (4:11 AM) in your time zone we will assemble from all corners of our world as a collective body of energy to meditate simultaneously for 1 hour (60 minutes). To synchronize ourselves worldwide, each time zone begins the Fire the Grid meditation at the GMT equivalent local time (shown in blue). - NEW For those desiring futher reassurance of your LOCAL meditation time, please refer to the table below which contains a complete list of every time zone worldwide and its relationship to 11:11 GMT. Region GMT -/+ Adjusted Local Time Time Zone Monday 16 July 2007 International Date Line West eg: Eniwetok Kwajalein -12 11:11pm (23:11) Dateline Standard Time Tuesday 17 July 2007 Midway Island Samoa -11 12:11am (00:11) Samoa Standard Time Hawaii -10 1:11am (01:11) Hawaii Standard Time Alaska -9 * 3:11am (03:11) Alaskan Daylight Time Pacific Time (PDT) eg: Vancouver Seattle Lewiston Portland Reno Las Vegas San Francisco Los Angeles San Diego -8 * 4:11am (04:11) Pacific Daylight Time Arizona -7 4:11am (04:11) US Mountain Standard Time Chihuahua LaPaz Mazatlan -7 * 5:11am (05:11) Mexico Daylight Time 2 Mountain Time (MDT) eg: Calgary Billings Boise Cheyenne Rapid City Salt Lake City Denver Albuquerque El Paso -7 * 5:11am (05:11) Mountain Daylight Time Central America -6 5:11am (05:11) Central America Standard Time Central Time (CDT) eg. Minneapolis Omaha Des Moines Chicago Dodge City Kansas City Nashville Dallas Houston New Orleans -6 * 6:11am (06:11) Central Daylight Time Indiana (West) eg: Evansville Valparaiso -6 * 6:11am (06:11) Central Daylight Time Guadalajara Mexico City Monterrey -6 * 6:11am (06:11) Mexico Daylight Time Saskatchewan -6 5:11am (05:11) Canada Central Standard Time Bogota Lima Quito -5 6:11am (06:11) SA Pacific Standard Time Eastern Time (EDT) eg: Montreal Quebec City Ottawa Toronto Boston New York Detroit Indianapolis Louisville Philadelphia Raleigh Atlanta Tampa Miami -5 * 7:11am (07:11) Eastern Daylight Time Atlantic Time eg: Halifax -4 * 8:11am (08:11) Atlantic Daylight Time Caracas La Paz -4 7:11am (07:11) SA Western Standard Time Santiago -4 7:11am (07:11) Pacific SA Standard Time Georgetown -4 7:11am (07:11) Guyana Time Newfoundland -3:30 * 8:41am (08:41) Newfoundland Daylight Time Brasilia -3 8:11am (08:11) Brazil Standard Time Buenos Aires -3 8:11am (08:11) SA Eastern Standard Time Greenland -3 * 9:11am (09:11) Greenland Daylight Time Mid-Atlantic -2 * 10:11am (10:11) Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time Azores -1 * 11:11am (11:11) Azores Daylight Time Cape Verde Is. -1 10:11am (10:11) Cape Verde Standard Time Casablanca Monrovia 0 11:11am (11:11) Greenwich Standard Time
[FairfieldLife] David Icke
A while ago I got into the guys books and DVDs and now can't rid myself of the feeling that whatever Icke says, or how is says it, he comes across as speaking from very real and lucid experiences of reality - as well as from higher states of consciousness. If his work leading up to The Biggest Secret, Alice in Wonderland and Children of the Matrix are the expressions of clairvoyance combined with (quite an incredible) personal courage, his latest book, Infinite Love is the only Truth - Everything else is Illusion, cannot be anything else than a testimony of CC? The way Icke describes reality is so true by comparison is nothing less than a modern-age rendering of testimonies found in the Upanishad. As a former BBC TV presenter his act, in my mind, is stronger on stage (his audios and DVDS) tham his books. Most of his stuff can be found at piratebay.org and such sites. www.davidicke.com Enjoy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The more carbon dioxide, the better
One could hope, but to me it appears more probable that these so-called economic cycles are manufactured for the long-term purpose of aggregating IOUs (as in ICUs I Control You) - which is what money really is in fewer and fewer hands. I.e. it will not be the Illuminati that suffers, but countries and big corporations. If the hypothesis is correct, than the purpose of the upcoming slump is to allow the Illuminati to succeed where they have currently hit a wall - further strengthening of control and centralization. Maybe the Illuminati are running around like headless chicken right now - desperately trying to think of ways to hit us with? It's members do appear to believe that if they have not put their global Iraq based government in place by 2012, it will never happen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hanson1.html So now you're hanging out over on Lew Rockwell's site? He's not exactly a big fan of the Bushies, you know. It's not a question of now, I've been reading LewRockwell.com for years. Indeed, Ron Paul has contributed over 350 columns to LewRockwell.com and I've been reading him for years...probably the only person on FFL who even knew who he was before he ran for president. Nope, I've been listening to Alex Jones for several years who also had Ron Paul on before he ran for president. Alex also thinks Global Warming is questionable. But then just because I listen to him doesn't mean I agree with him on everything. And as I mentioned before these guys are upset not so much about global warming or climate change but what they view as the New World Order trying to use it as a tool for authoritarian governance. I also agree with Ron Paul that we are in for a economic collapse and it may not be a bad thing as it will probably also take out the corporate power structure which is something they probably aren't counting on. We get to erase the blackboard and start all over again which is probably the only way out of this mess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pray for evaporation of evil plans...'
Maybe I am paranoid, but I did pick up the stench of Freemasonry in your writings. What Teachers of Wisdom? Why do you insist that love needs Teachers with capital T to spread itself? Or the humans need Ts to learn anything? Why Light of Pure Consciousness? What's wrong with just plain Pure Consciousness? And why the, by the same token, quaint and inappropriate purposefully? Normally I would now wait for a reply, but given the new posting limit I'll cut to the chase: You and your like can take your Light bringing (a k a Luciferian), satanic Illuminati and Freemasonic purpose of qualifying (i.e. straight-jacking) and redirecting (i.e.kidnapping) Spirit and shove it up your scaly behind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Hello Robert Whose evil plans? All and everyone of the evil intentions. 'Cancel then all. Make them null and void. Replace the emptiness, fear, trepidation with love, forgiveness, compassion. In the name of Teachers of Wisdom, love and forgiveness. During these next hours and days, my feeling was to dwell on the 'Light of Pure Consciousness; So as to bring light to the darkness' wherever 'it' may be. To reveal any diabolical plot or purpose with evil intent; That we may pass through this period of transition, peacefully,lovingly, purposefully. Amen.
[FairfieldLife] David Icke Prophecies
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pray for evaporation of evil plans...'
Glad you (and your bottom) managed to once again morph into human form. From what I hear this has become more and more difficult for you guys. As far as concern paranoia etc - you guys just can't let go, can you. How can you ever hope to become free (let alone human) if you don't first loose this hierachial stuff of Teachers etc? As far as concern Thomas Jeffersson, seems his hidden basement just might have held the same stuff as Ben Franklins..? http://www.cp.org/english/online/OnlineFullStory.aspx?filename=g032008anewsitemid=66697032languageid=1 http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ten_bodies.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Maybe I am paranoid, but I did pick up the stench of Freemasonry in your writings. What Teachers of Wisdom? Why do you insist that love needs Teachers with capital T to spread itself? Or the humans need Ts to learn anything? Why Light of Pure Consciousness? What's wrong with just plain Pure Consciousness? And why the, by the same token, quaint and inappropriate purposefully? Normally I would now wait for a reply, but given the new posting limit I'll cut to the chase: You and your like can take your Light bringing (a k a Luciferian), satanic Illuminati and Freemasonic purpose of qualifying (i.e. straight-jacking) and redirecting (i.e.kidnapping) Spirit and shove it up your scaly behind. Sorry, but my behind is soft, thank you... Actually this attitude you suggest is what we should be avoiding. This hateful warmongering type of speak, is what gets us bad karma, yes? Now, what I meant by Teachers, was a generic word, sorry it elicited such fear and paranoia on your part. All of us are Teachers, when we are centered. This is more of the teaching of 'A Course In Miracles'... Not sure if you're familiar with the literature, But it suggests that unconditional love, and forgiveness is the way out of the small self, the ego, and onto bigger and better things. Not free masonry, or any other thing of this material world. Though I do admire Thomas Jefferson... That is not at all what I was suggesting. Over and out...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pray for evaporation of evil plans...'
Should you ever grow tired of RC you can always try Bollockism - David Icke's proposed religion. There the self-flagellation consists of putting up with public ridicule.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Thanks, speaking of the Masters of Wisdom, Freemasons, etc; these are false teachers since Roman Catholocism is the one true Church (Cf. MSN cover page). I'm thinking of becoming a RC TB, along the lines of Mel Gibson. He may be into Opus Dei. By becoming a members of this cult, you get to flagellate yourself with a makeshift flagellum (not quite as austere as the original Roman invention); made out of some flimsey cord. You strip of your shirt and vigorously flagellate yourself on the back. Here's the Pope's latest pronouncement: Pope: Other denominations not true churches Benedict issues statement asserting that Jesus established `only one church' NBC News video Jews have concerns over Latin mass July 10: NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports on Pope Benedict XVI's revival of the traditional Latin mass and the firestorm it is generating. Today show Slide show Making of a pope From boyhood to war to seminary to the Vatican, images trace the career of the 265th pope. Slide show Inaugural Mass Benedict XVI is installed as pope in a Mass in St. Peter's Square in 2005. Click to view the photographs. NBC World Blog NBC News correspondents and producers around the globe share their insight on news events. Most Popular � Most Viewed � Top Rated � Most E-mailed U.S. troops kill 6 Iraqi police in gunbattle Pope: Other denominations not true churches Miss N.J. reveals blackmail photos Twins separated at birth reunite after 15 years Midwest towns sour on war as deaths mount Most viewed on MSNBC.com Gillispie already working magic on Kentucky Butterflies fast forward evolution to evade death Hospital operators may give bad stroke advice Locked out? Don't fall for latest locksmith scam Poll: 92 percent want 'country of origin' labels Most viewed on MSNBC.com Pope: Other denominations not true churches Two Ellsworth personnel found dead in their home Former surgeon general says he was muzzled Bum wrap Former tennis star Clijsters weds U.S. basketball player Most viewed on MSNBC.com MSNBC News Services Updated: 6:52 a.m. PT July 10, 2007 LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches. Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church. On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Glad you (and your bottom) managed to once again morph into human form. From what I hear this has become more and more difficult for you guys. As far as concern paranoia etc - you guys just can't let go, can you. How can you ever hope to become free (let alone human) if you don't first loose this hierachial stuff of Teachers etc? As far as concern Thomas Jeffersson, seems his hidden basement just might have held the same stuff as Ben Franklins..? http://www.cp.org/english/online/OnlineFullStory.aspx? filename=g032008anewsitemid=66697032languageid=1 http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ten_bodies.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Maybe I am paranoid, but I did pick up the stench of Freemasonry in your writings. What Teachers of Wisdom? Why do you insist that love needs Teachers with capital T to spread itself? Or the humans need Ts to learn anything? Why Light of Pure Consciousness? What's wrong with just plain Pure Consciousness? And why the, by the same token, quaint and inappropriate purposefully? Normally I would now wait for a reply, but given the new posting limit I'll cut to the chase: You and your like can take your Light bringing (a k a Luciferian), satanic Illuminati and Freemasonic purpose of qualifying (i.e. straight-jacking) and redirecting (i.e.kidnapping) Spirit and shove it up your scaly behind
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Distinction Between- Light of God Lucifer's Sparkle'
Thanks for offering yourself as a prime example of just how deep the collective mind control has taken the world.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: snip ... if it weren't for the luciferian spirits (the light givers) man would still be in the garden of Eden, merely passive occupants with no dynamic will or 'self' consciousness. Lucifer opened early man's 'eyes' to the physical world (and they noticed they were naked) starting him on the journey of self discovery. (Max Heindel Man's natural state is infinite awareness in unbounded consciousness of all levels of existence. The luciferian opening you extol, and which the Illuminati so desperatelly wants humanity to believe in, is by your own confession to fall into amnesia about all levels of existence except the five sense reality. This amnesia is not the point of start of dynamic will, awareness or self discovery - it's the dead end of all these things and the place where the Illuminati wishes to keep humanity indefinitely: imprisoned by fear of pretty much everything whilst degrading our capacity to see their imposed illusion by bombarding us with pretty much anything they can come up with; including financial enslavement, GMO, aspartame, microchiping, electromagnetic pollution, chemtrails, indoctrination at schools, dumbing down by telly and forcing lies 24/7 on peoples thru media, and what else have you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Hello, This is an automated email message to let you know that sparaig sparaig@ unsubscribed from your FairfieldLife group. Congratulations, Rick, one down. Lawson was perhaps the brightest person on this forum. Too bad he was a TM supporter. Doing a search on 'sparaig' it seems sparaig's last contribution to FFL was a reply to willytex: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/135656 quote --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Imagine if the court jester was limited to 5 barbs a day. His usefulness to the king would end immediately. So, it's all about jesting. Well, yeah... /quote If I may speculate as to the reason for sparaig's departure: It's not about opposition or enmity. It's about a sense of despair and futility, a feeling of hopeleness perhaps similar to my own reaction when I read WillyTex's postings: Is this what humanity has come to - a drawling moronic Texan outlook on the same uneducated level as that of a certain prezident of the United States of America..?
[FairfieldLife] Voltaire 101
(1) On sparaig: He was a great patriot, a humanitarian, a loyal friend; provided, of course, he really is dead (2) On John Ashcroft: Anything that is too stupid to be spoken is sung (3) On George W. Bush: An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination (4) On David Icke: Chance is a word void of sense; nothing can exist without a cause (5) On American Imperialistic Justice: It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News
=== CAVEAT LECTOR === After an exchange of postings it has become evident that the poster using the name Vaj is a Freemason, apparently of high rank, with (1) little or no understanding of TM and other eastern spiritual practices; and who has confessed to (2) be on a mission to apparently sow doubt about the safety of the practices of i.a. the TM and TM-Sidhi programes. For more details cf posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132902 === END CAVEAT LECTOR === --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: You are right, Judy. Lawson is very bright, from what I could gather. He can always return if he wants to limit the number of posts as everyone else does. It's a shame he could not get ahold of his obsessive posting tendencies, as he had a nice sense of humor and could be quite insightful at times. I really think Lawson could benefit from a style of meditation which would offer attentional training and attentional stability and balance--although I suspect he'd be scared to death to try it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fairfield Life suggestion from a friend
Apparently the basic problem is not quantity but lack of quality. So, aside limiting Vaj's barrage of closet-illuminati propaganda snipets to 3 or 5 a day, how about introducting an upper limit on the number of words a reply may contain (perhaps not for original postings), including what is quoted? By doing it this way, responders will be forced to be more selective, concise and to the point, without giving up their perceived right to respond - in short a remedy may have been found for TurkeyB's intestinal condition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] A more important point would be to restrict posters who can't refrain from bad-mouthing each other. This is a harder one to police because it's a subjective judgment. I have to work and can't sit here all day deliberating on the tone of people's posts. Any suggestions? [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News Will posts with attack in the subject be counted toward an individual's total allowed posts for the day? Rick: No. But it would be better to take the approach Barry suggested - if anyone is attacked, ignore the attacker and he/she will go away. If that doesn't work, we can moderate him/her. This would solve the whole, entire problem. But these two parties cannot restrain themselves. I don't see it happening. So starting tomorrow if either of them mentions the other in an offensive or defensive tone, they'll be switched to moderated status. In other words, their posts will require moderator approval before showing up on the list. I can't wait to see TurkeyB's attempts to try to navigate around this obstacle :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of moderation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of moderation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip Isn't there some evolutionary lesson in this feud with Judy thing that you have yet to fully learn? If there is, then we'll know you've learned it when you don't take the bait no matter how tempting. When ***BARRY*** doesn't take the bait??? Rick, Barry is the *baiter*, not the baitee. (OK, I'll say it before someone else does: Barry's the master baiter.) No kidding, Rick, if you haven't figured this out long since, you simply haven't been paying attention, or you're letting your biases blind you to what's been going on. What an astonishing thing for you to say. I know you're dying for me to say that he's more to blame than you are, but I actually haven't been paying attention closely enough to say that for sure. Yes, that's clearly a big part of the problem here: you haven't been paying attention. And you therefore are incapable of being fair. All I can say is that you each nibble the bait the other dangles, and neither of you has proven capable of concluding your little game. Everyone is sick of it. If either of you completely stops and the other continues, it will be obvious which of you is the most seriously afflicted. Try requiring Barry to stop and see what happens. As nice as the concept of UN-like brokered peace is, history shows that be stopping hostilities a conflict is only frozen down and never resolved. So, how about a two-hour debate brokered by a judge or panel all participants can aggree on, and the verdict can not be appealed? If that is too eloborate we could just issue them each a gun for a duel under the big oak on next full-moon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking News There's a files section on FFL in which anyone can archive anything. There's also a links section in which you can link to any post. Maybe Barry is finished with that little exercise. Which you suggested he archive. If I'd posted a compendium of Barry's attacks, would you have suggested I archive it? I don't think so. I'll bet that anyone who read your post (the one I'm responding to here) thought, Oh God, she just doesn't get it. We're sick of hearing Judy's opinion of Barry and vice versa. Just where did I say I planned to post such a compendium, Rick? And do you also bet anybody who saw Barry's latest compendium--which he actually posted--thought, Oh, God, he just doesn't get it? See, now you're doing the same thing with me. You're still ragging on Barry, and you're trying to get on my case. No, Rick, I'm pointing out examples of your bias and lack of attention to what's been going on. You were ragging on *me* above. The vice versa was tacked on as lip service. Enjoy it while you can. If you do it tomorrow, we'll switch you to moderated status. Oh, so now all criticism of Rick is forbidden too. Barry too, if he does what you're doing. Why does sparaig's decision to leave now seem prophetic..?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of moderation
Okey, Rick - I now start to see what is happening here. Almost all of us are guilty of 'violating' the behavioural code at FFL (I know I am). But truth be told, if you are serious about keeping credibility whilst restoring civility there is only one thing you need to do: kick TurkeyB off FFL for a good while. I don't see the FFL described as an online counseling forum for recovering satanists. If you find this statement partisan, do consider that I do not ask for Vaj to go, to name just one - a man who despite his constant barrage and evil agenda behave very well, certainly better than Peter Klutz. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reward vs. Punishment: a different kind of moderation I'm sorry Rick, but she clearly does not use the offensive language that Turquoise has used against her, but this point is ignored by the anti-TM people. I personally don't mind biting back at someone that lunges at me, and I do, if they strike first, but it is very clear that she has been civil in her discourse, whereas Turquoise has been quite disgusting and offensive to her. I think you should at least acknowledge that. Fair enough. Point taken. I've seen examples of that. But the point is, both have been violating the 1st point in the FFL guidelines: 1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button. No one enjoys their squabble. Both are being told to stop it. If they don't they'll be moderated. If the tone around here improves, I'll invite back some high caliber members who fled when it deteriorated.
[FairfieldLife] American Gestapo [was Re: Breaking News]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: ...disgusting potty mouth of TurquoiseB, so don't be surprised of she is a bit miffed. I think you just made a personal attack against Barry. Are you the new self-annointed Sheriff in el pueblo de FFL?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peterklutz wrote: The point I made in this thread is that only intellectual knowledge is worthless, even counterproductive. That's one reason for Maharishi's greatness - he has actually given people the experience and tools they need to become Enlightened. Maybe so, but surely there's a defintion of what TM is and what a TMer is - it's just common sense, that you'd define what it is that you're talking about, so we could agree on some basics. That's my point, but nobody seems to be able to say what, exactly, a TMer is supposed to be. And who gets to pronounce who is and who isn't a TMer anyway? You have already given a clear definition of what a TMer is. Twice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on Girls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And with an even lower level of integrity than John Knapp and his minions. Off topic, but how can John have minions when I have none? I try to treat minions really well and I can't keep a single one. (am I scaring them away with my Sex-on-demand rules for minions poster?) For a manual on the stalking of and subsequent care and feeding of minions, check out Christopher Moore's latest novel, You Suck: A Love Story. Tommy and Jody are new vampires. They fall asleep at sunrise and don't wake up until sunset, so they need someone to run errands for them during the day. So they find a 19-year-old Goth girl named Abby Normal and make her their minion. It's just to die for; whole chapters are written in the form of Abby writing in her Journal. Very, very funny stuff. Thanks for confirming who you are: a closet-Satanist..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...surely there's a defintion of what TM is and what a TMer is - it's just common sense, that you'd define what it is that you're talking about, so we could agree on some basics. That's my point, but nobody seems to be able to say what, exactly, a TMer is supposed to be. And who gets to pronounce who is and who isn't a TMer anyway? peterklutz wrote: You have already given a clear definition of what a TMer is. Twice. Regressus ad absurdam. Saying that a TMer is somone who practices TM is circular logic. What, exactly, is TM, Peter? It's a very simple question. Why is it so difficult for you to give me a simple answer? I can see now why you got kicked off Wiki - you can't even define basics. And who gets to pronounce who is and who isn't a TMer anyway? TM is form of meditation taught by HH MMY, or by teachers trained by him. TMers come from many walks of life and may even include Texan IQ-seagull morons needing two hours each each day just to put their stetsons on the correct way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: peterklutz wrote: I left, that's what happened. sparaig wrote: And one or more pro-TMers, including MUM faculty, who are completely embarrassed by your behavior there. Well, I'm embarrased by almost all pro-TMers, as well as anti-TMer behavior on the Internet. Barry certainly has a good point - you guys suck as informers. You may be the exception. But nobody has ever answered my question about being on the TM program and posting insider information to newsgroups. I don't think Maharishi would approve of that, even on Wikipedia. So, that's my point. See last answer. It's absurd to use the term TMer - it's meaningless. Take 2: A TMer is a person who has learnt and regularly practices TM as taught by His Holiness MMY. Period. [snip] But what is strange is that there are some libelous archives on this forum concerning the Maharishi's private sex life. I would think that any pro-TMer, if they are really on the program, would object to that. If any of you TMers had any real convictions, you'd use Usenet instead of this proprietary forum. I'd say that almost all of the respondents here have all been kicked off the program by now. Go figure. Are you drunk? Maybe you're just a lazy as your drawl is Texan. Before passing judgement on people, get your facts straight re who has said what. The fact is that you and I are on the same side when it comes to MMY (unless there are skeletons in your closet I am not aware of). That is also the reason your pencil-dicked friend Sparaig is so hysterical and keeps returning to Peter Klutz' Wiki-period: for Peter's objecting through editing to the systematic MMY/TMO slandering at Wiki. You see, sparaig is an hypocrite who feels form is more important than content. He would rather see the TMO's founder accused of pedophilia than himself fall out of any imaginary grace with the inquisition at Wikipedia. Sparaig is also a coward since he rather stab TMers in their backs rather than to speak up against the rouge anti-TM disinformers out there. With friends like Sparaig - who needs enemies? Great stuff today, Peter...at this rate you may have the next issue of THINGS TMers BELIEVE almost to yourself. :-) All you have to do to make that happen is to pretend that Peter KLutz does not represent neither the TMO nor your average TMer. Since the alternative, to start a blog called THINGS PETERKLUTZ BELIEVE is not a healthy option for yourself (the only way you will be able to pay me off after my lawyers are done with you, is to kill yourself and sell your empty brain to science), maybe you should just put a sock in your French little faggot mouth and forget about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 Mastermind also Masterminded these
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has also confessed to masterminding: Hurricane Katrina The Indonesian Tsunami The Loma Prieta Earthquake The Riverside Earthquake Who could have imagined that this guy who looks like a derelict off skid row could be the greatest criminal mastermind of all time. BTW, here's a great opportunity: Brooklyn Bridge is available for sale. Oh and also I heard he masterminded the trouble Alberto Gonzales is in. :) Thank God for the Nazis and Commies - at least there were two credible enemies that kept the wheels of the illuminati-military-industrial complex spinning. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on Girls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to my sources, the Maharishi wasn't even in a hotel room at TTC - he was flown in on a helicopter each day to give his talk in the lobby and then he went back to Meru in Switzerland to be with Ms Pittman. Rick Archer wrote: During the early, big TTCs, like Mallorca and La Antilla, Maharishi was in residence pretty much the whole time. So, you're thinking that the Maharishi had sex in an unlocked hotel room in Mallorca and La Antilla, with hundreds of students around him all the time watching his every move, with skin boys and secretaries waiting outside the door, with Jerry and Charlie going in and out of the room at all hours of the day and night, but nobody ever saw Mahesh with his dhoti down. Maybe so, but it sure seems like a stretch to me. It must have really been a quickie! Man, this guy Mahesh was awesome if he was able to pull that off! I've got a whole new respect for the guy. I can't even take a nap under the bridge without being taken to task by Judy, and she's a thousand miles away. During the mid-70's in there were smaller TTCs in Switzerland and France and he visited these by helicopter, sometimes by car, usually near the end. So, you're thinking that Mahesh flew in to the smaller TTCs in order to get laid in a hotel room, but that he wasn't interested in Ms Pittman who was waiting for him back at Meru? And that he was only interested in having sex with skinny white girls who were exhausted after following him around the hotel for sixteen hours? Maybe so, but what I can't seem to figure out is why the Maharishi bashers like John Knapp, Mike Doughney, Don Krieger, and Tom Anderson never mentioned these sex escapades in over ten years of posting to Usenet. That's because if their propaganda make allegations people believe fabricated they loose credibility.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 Mastermind also Masterminded these
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has also confessed to masterminding: Hurricane Katrina The Indonesian Tsunami The Loma Prieta Earthquake The Riverside Earthquake Who could have imagined that this guy who looks like a derelict off skid row could be the greatest criminal mastermind of all time. BTW, here's a great opportunity: Brooklyn Bridge is available for sale. Oh and also I heard he masterminded the trouble Alberto Gonzales is in. :) Thank God for the Nazis and Commies - at least there were two credible enemies that kept the wheels of the illuminati-military-industrial complex spinning. :-) I am fascinated in a sickening way with the precision of the Bush propaganda machine. Just when things are getting too warm around the White House regarding allegations of corruption and failure, out pops this revelation, reminding everyone of our external enemies and the spectre of 9-11. Brilliant and evil at the same time. The next prediction is that in order to be able to bring people onboard for nuking Iran Bush et al needs another 911 inside the USA. I wonder what the Illuminati will do this time? Set off a suitcase nuke in a metropolitan low-income area the WASPs couldn't care less about?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [snip] From what I've read on Usenet, Vaj and Barry are probably two of the most expert authorities on eastern spiritual practices on the entire planet. You're wrong, but that's beside the point. The point I made in this thread is that only intellectual knowledge is worthless, even counterproductive. That's one reason for Maharishi's greatness - he has actually given people the experience and tools they need to become Enlightened. What's worth more than that? I may not agree with some of their opinions, but I'll give credit where credit is due. However, as Lawson recently pointed out, you really got mixed up on your recent editing of the Wikipedia entry on Mahesh Yogi. What happened over there that got you kicked off? I left, that's what happened. Had I wanted to stay I would still be there (believed I proved this point on two ocassions after leaving). What happened is that I was ambushed by (1) a bunch of wikipedia admins that would have put Stalin's prosecutor Andrei Vyshinsky to shame; and (2) a couple of adamant anti-TMers that owned licenses to break wikipedia rules with impunity; and (2)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [snip] From what I've read on Usenet, Vaj and Barry are probably two of the most expert authorities on eastern spiritual practices on the entire planet. You're wrong, but that's beside the point. The point I made in this thread is that only intellectual knowledge is worthless, even counterproductive. That's one reason for Maharishi's greatness - he has actually given people the experience and tools they need to become Enlightened. What's worth more than that? I may not agree with some of their opinions, but I'll give credit where credit is due. However, as Lawson recently pointed out, you really got mixed up on your recent editing of the Wikipedia entry on Mahesh Yogi. What happened over there that got you kicked off? I left, that's what happened. Had I wanted to stay I would still be there (believed I proved this point on two ocassions after leaving). What happened is that I was ambushed by (1) a bunch of wikipedia admins that would have put Stalin's prosecutor Andrei Vyshinsky to shame; and (2) a couple of adamant anti-TMers that owned licenses to break wikipedia rules with impunity; and (2) And one or more pro-TMers, including MUM faculty, who are completely embarrassed by your behavior there. ... MUM faculty ... completely embarrased ... ? I think I just realized where Vaj might have gotten his idea about TM-Nazis from. Whatever your problem is, Sparaig. It's not mine. I represent only myself. My take on MMY and his teachings should be evident when reading my postings here. And please don't label me a pro-TMer. It's over ten years since I handed in my resignation. If that is what you are, a TMO bureacrat, do accept (1) my deepest respect for accepting the shite work of dealing with the stresses of the world; and (2) my condolences for yourself being so overshadowed by these same stresses that you've lost sight of what's important.
[FairfieldLife] Re: fairfield after maharishi's death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: fairfield after maharishi's death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , shucktipat no_reply@ wrote: I am wondering what effect the death of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi will have on the community in Fairfield. Will a lot of folks move away or will it thrive? I have lived here 27 years (moved here to attend MIU). Nothing much will change. There will be some true believers who have a rough time of it, but the vast majority of us will carry on as usual. Life is good here. Not much will happen until Sidhas and Governors starts to float in the Domes. Could happen anytime. Or not. It will happen outside the dome before it happens inside it. There's too much bad air and stress.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peterklutz wrote: I left, that's what happened. sparaig wrote: And one or more pro-TMers, including MUM faculty, who are completely embarrassed by your behavior there. Well, I'm embarrased by almost all pro-TMers, as well as anti-TMer behavior on the Internet. Barry certainly has a good point - you guys suck as informers. You may be the exception. But nobody has ever answered my question about being on the TM program and posting insider information to newsgroups. I don't think Maharishi would approve of that, even on Wikipedia. So, that's my point. See last answer. It's absurd to use the term TMer - it's meaningless. Take 2: A TMer is a person who has learnt and regularly practices TM as taught by His Holiness MMY. Period. [snip] But what is strange is that there are some libelous archives on this forum concerning the Maharishi's private sex life. I would think that any pro-TMer, if they are really on the program, would object to that. If any of you TMers had any real convictions, you'd use Usenet instead of this proprietary forum. I'd say that almost all of the respondents here have all been kicked off the program by now. Go figure. Are you drunk? Maybe you're just a lazy as your drawl is Texan. Before passing judgement on people, get your facts straight re who has said what. The fact is that you and I are on the same side when it comes to MMY (unless there are skeletons in your closet I am not aware of). That is also the reason your pencil-dicked friend Sparaig is so hysterical and keeps returning to Peter Klutz' Wiki-period: for Peter's objecting through editing to the systematic MMY/TMO slandering at Wiki. You see, sparaig is an hypocrite who feels form is more important than content. He would rather see the TMO's founder accused of pedophilia than himself fall out of any imaginary grace with the inquisition at Wikipedia. Sparaig is also a coward since he rather stab TMers in their backs rather than to speak up against the rouge anti-TM disinformers out there. With friends like Sparaig - who needs enemies?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on Girls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] That Tom Anderson, Steve Perino, and John Manning are three of the most rabid Maharishi-bashers on the entire planet and none of them even accused the Maharishi of having sex with students. If there was some proof, I'm sure they would have posted it by now. ... Hell, even Andrew Skolnick didn't even stoop that low. Oh yes, he did - to sparaig gleeful amusement. Just check out the MMY article's history at wiki. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Vaj wrote: On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Cardemeister or someone. What is the actual quote that goes something like Curving back onto myself, I create again and again. Who said it? What scripture is it in? A friend needs it for something she is writing. It's from the Bhagavad-gita, in Mahesh's rendering of 9:8: Curving back on my own nature I create again and again prakritam svAm avastabhya visrjAmi punah punah Incidentally, that only a *fragment* of the entire verse. The entire verse he renders: Curving back on my own nature I create again and again all this multitude of beings helpless under the regime of nature. So keen on trying to prove himself, this intellectual fake representing himself as Vaj, responds to his own postings. Pathetic. Vaj's MO is also a comment on what is so wrong with this Freemason, Illuminati; Satanist; wannabe-TMer (pick your choice) compared to Maharishi's approach to teaching. MMY's programs are experienced-based, very well suited to householders and open to all. It should come as no surprise that such an openhearted approach makes a secterian like Vaj so uncomfortable. After all, in Vaj's world, knowledge is something to be denied others and preferably used a stick to beat others with. So, whereas the Vajs' of this world dusts of books and finds quotes, a TMer - someone who actually lives the reality Vaj is trying to understand from masonic rituals and books - might answer Rick's original questions accordingly: (1) I said it (2) The 'book of life'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Pearce - writer profile from the WritersNet published writers and auth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.writers.net/writers/19421 How odd... Of course, one could point out that he is STILL attached to the TMO. How many other biographies have you ever read where the author wastes his entire space to attack an organization he left years ago? Ever heard of a guy called Paul Mason?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digital Data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2006, 161 exabytes (161 billion gigabytes) of digital information were created and copied, continuing an unprecedented period of information growth. This digital universe equals approximately three million times the information in all the books ever written - or the equivalent of 12 stacks of books, each extending more than 93 million miles from the earth to the sun. And how much of that was generated by FFL?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peterklutz wrote: ...in Vaj's world, knowledge is something to be denied others and preferably used a to beat others with. jim flanegin wrote: This definitely seems to be a big part of his trip. So, it's beat up on Vaj night - giving Barry a little break? By the way, what's a TMer, anyway? You informers seem to enjoy picking on other people whose opinions you don't agree with. Go figure. Hello Willytex, In my mind a TMer is someone who regularly practices TM as taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Having once been initiated but not practizing makes you a non-TMer, or perhaps in the minds of some folk, an ex-TMer. Then there is the special category of folks who claim to be meditating, or to be medtitating, or to have been initiated and not meditating - and who spend time on this list attacking TM. I think the real question is: Who are _these_ people? I'll re-insert this caveat lector. === CAVEAT LECTOR === After an exchange of postings it has become evident that the poster using the name Vaj is a Freemason, apparently of high rank, with (1) little or no understanding of TM and other eastern spiritual practices; and who has confessed to (2) be on a mission to apparently sow doubt about the safety of the practices of i.a. the TM and TM-Sidhi programes. For more details cf posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132902 === END CAVEAT LECTOR ===
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] During my lifetime I have had conversations with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any less spiritual than any of the spiritual people I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And to be honest, most of them were nicer people than the people I know who consider themselves spiritual. I wonder what the editors on this list will make of this oxymoronic passage? The only TMers that qualify as nice and spiritual are those that have killed other people? Well, he *was* nicer than many TMers I've met. Really sweet guy. It was in Las Vegas. I was dating another TMer who was visiting her parents there, and so I drove out from L.A. to spend a little time with her (she didn't live in L.A.). Because I was working for the Regional Office at the time, they asked me to give an advanced lecture at the local TM center, and I did. And I met some wonderful people there, including this big guy who, I was told, hadn't missed a weekly advanced lecture since he'd started TM a couple of years before. And so after the lecture we're all standing around talking and drinking punch and eating cookies. Me and the big guy had some wonderful discussions about meditation, about enlightenment, and about reincarnation. And then someone brought up this radio DJ in L.A. who had been giving TM a hard time. This was at the beginning of the Is TM a religion court cases, and the DJ was definitely taking the Yes position on the air -- often, and as if it were some kind of crusade for him. Later that evening, the big guy took me aside from the rest of the group and said to me, You know, something could *happen* to this DJ if you want. I thought he was joking and I laughed it off and said, No, I don't think that'll be necessary, and we went back to the other meditators and had a grand old time. Later I mentioned it to my ladyfriend and she told me what the fellow did for a living there in Las Vegas, and that he hadn't been joking. It turns out that if you grow up in Vegas, you pretty much know all the made guys in town by sight. True story. Very weird. Don't know quite what to make of it to this day. The guy was jolly and outgoing, sorta like Tony Soprano on TV when he's laughing and joking with his family. Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. Perhaps our friend Dr Peter can offer an hypothesis? Early life trauma ... memory/personality compartmentalization ... ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] During my lifetime I have had conversations with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any less spiritual than any of the spiritual people I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And to be honest, most of them were nicer people than the people I know who consider themselves spiritual. I wonder what the editors on this list will make of this oxymoronic passage? The only TMers that qualify as nice and spiritual are those that have killed other people? Well, he *was* nicer than many TMers I've met. Really sweet guy. [snip] True story. Very weird. Don't know quite what to make of it to this day. The guy was jolly and outgoing, sorta like Tony Soprano on TV when he's laughing and joking with his family. Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. Perhaps our friend Dr Peter can offer an hypothesis? Early life trauma ... memory/personality compartmentalization ... ? Who knows. Just a regularly meditating sociopath. Could be anyone of us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-film-director-mira-nair-is- to.html May you enjoy the same success in your endeavour brownnose your way to write the script for this film as you have had becoming the TMO's official biographer. Not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] During my lifetime I have had conversations with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any less spiritual than any of the spiritual people I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And to be honest, most of them were nicer people than the people I know who consider themselves spiritual. I wonder what the editors on this list will make of this oxymoronic passage? The only TMers that qualify as nice and spiritual are those that have killed other people? [snip] I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's really a pleasure to encounter someone like you -- and a few others on this forum -- who actually seem to walk the walk of their talk. So TB is a man who has walked the walk? Feel free to enlighten this list how this relates to your stated penchant for human sacrifices, cannibalism, and other Satanistically inspired rituals you enjoy?
[FairfieldLife] Down to the wire
Excerpts from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParanoidTimes/message/28697 tman1367 Do you feel we must call non-stop for our House Representatives for impeachment of Bush and Cheney to stop the war they are trying desperately to start with Iran in the next couple of months? Alex Jones Bush and Cheney are puppets, but they still need to be impeached for the North American Union they are setting up alone. The planned attack on Iran is meant to be the beginning of the end for the Unites States - it's a New World Order trap. Gray Alex, I've been reading the FEMA report regarding fires as a low probability as cause for dropping WTC 7. What official document claims WTC 7 collapsed due to fire with a high probability? Alex Jones FEMA and NIST have given five different reasons for the fall. One of them was fires, and they've had to retract all five and now say they don't know what caused it. bones332 Alex, word is getting out about the NWO, people that I know never cared about conspiracies are sitting up and starting to listen, even mainstream America doesn't buy the NWO flim-flam. Alex Jones People are waking up because we are getting down to the wire. Folks know this is serious and that the dollar, the economy, everything is in trouble. When the massive correction comes, it's important to blame the perps, and that's the federal reserve shareholders. Future Superstar Alex, when is your next documentary/movie set for release? Alex Jones August 2007 - working title - End Game BlueStarKachina Your report on last's night's C2C was compelling. What's the immediate fallout from the WTC7 collapse story? Alex Jones The BBC WTC 7 story is the biggest thing I've seen in the 9/11 truth movement's history. We now have a second BBC report and a CNN report saying that building 7 fell before it had collapsed and now the BBC is involved in a huge cover-up, claiming they have lost all of their tapes, and they are going after every website under the sun who has posted the video, and that is waking up more people than the original story did. winkabob Alex - after what happened last year in Ottawa, will you be visiting this year's Bilderberger location? Rumors have it that it might be held in Turkey. The Canadians were rough enough. Would hate to see you end up in a Turkish Prison!! Alex Jones Yeah, I intend to sit Bilderberger out this year. My new film will be covering them, though. Guest Alex, I have heard you say that the desired population is about 500 million people. Why is that number important to those in control? Alex Jones The elites are a bunch of degenerate control freaks who enjoy exercising unbridled power. They rationalize their evil activities by claiming that humanity is a disease and that they are simply culling the herd. In reality, THEY are a cancer and need to be removed. Humanity is beautiful, and will touch the stars. boxden.com So how do we stem the tide? Alex Jones Many hands make light work. By first realizing that by everybody doing a little something we will win. Guest Alex ..I am a sucker for someone who tells their story with confidence ..If you were going to criticize your information where would you start? Alex Jones I wouldn't criticize my information - because I'm telling the truth the best I can. An enemy dis-info operative will find small mistakes I've made (and I've made plenty) and then blow it out of proportion. But what they usually do is build straw men - claim you say things that you haven't said. RCParkFlyer Hi Alex, I'd like to know what we as individual's can do to spread the word, and get people to realize what is really happening right before there eyes. Alex Jones I think film is the most powerful tool we have. There are hundreds of weapons in the arsenal of truth, but emailing your friends and family the Google video link to Terrorstorm so they can watch it for free is probably the single most effective thing you can do. Or even better - get the DVD which is better quality, with the packaging as eye-candy, and they are more apt to watch it. BBC Con Artists Alex, there has been a lot of talk about the long count Mayan Calendar coming to an end in 2012. Have you come across that date in any of your Illuminati research? I asked your friend Jim Marrs the same question and he said there's something there... Alex Jones I have interviewed top anthropologists (one of whom worked on Apocalypto) about it and the real translation states that it is simply the end of an age. A time of great upheaval and change. I don't normally put stock in the esoteric, but it is interesting that if you project world events forward - 2011 and 2012 look like they are going to be wild. bigshot Hi Alex... enjoy your views and appreciate your dedication. Do you ever feel like your fighting a war that cannot be won? As if, the other side holds all the cards and they can play whatever they want, anytime they want. Alex Jones My soul wins by doing the right thing. The world would only be a
[FairfieldLife] Terrorstorm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230q=Terrorstorm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take the fight to the enemy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-illuminati-order/ Er,. yeah... Be sure to post many What Illuminati believe messages to many different forums and newsgroups. We're all rooting for you, Unc, er, Peter. I'll leave that to you, sparaig. In fact when you're there - why don't you stay? http://www.illuminatiOrder.info [password is 'man']
[FairfieldLife] Looking for the Ark of Noahthe
Given that it's impossble to innocently and seriously discuss TM related issues on this forum without risking being assaulted by Illuminatis, Freemasons, Satanists, Christian fundamentalists, etc my question is: where do people who (1) regularly practice TM, and (2) are quite happy with it, go to yell at each other? Vaj, TB, Paul Mason need not bother to asnwer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Libby verdict
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: Guilty on four of five counts in the CIA leak perjury trial. Good! Now to get the rest of the varmints. Not quite so fast...he's going to ask for a new trial (not sure on what grounds), and if that's denied, file an appeal. It'll be years before he's actually in jail, if he ever is (and if Bush doesn't pardon him). This Bush fellow; is it possible to get rid of him ? Some sort of trial because of his lying to the american people, or crimes against humanity regarding this illegal war ? Whats it called, impeachment ? What is wanted is not more evidence - but the courage to call things by their right name. It's the Emperor's new clothes all over again :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Libby verdict
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: Guilty on four of five counts in the CIA leak perjury trial. Good! Now to get the rest of the varmints. Not quite so fast...he's going to ask for a new trial (not sure on what grounds), and if that's denied, file an appeal. It'll be years before he's actually in jail, if he ever is (and if Bush doesn't pardon him). This Bush fellow; is it possible to get rid of him ? Some sort of trial because of his lying to the american people, or crimes against humanity regarding this illegal war ? Whats it called, impeachment ? It's called impeachment, and there's been a great deal of talk about it lately, including in some state legislatures, which can trigger an impeachment investigation. It's very difficult, however, even to bring impeachment charges, let alone convict; with a closely divided Senate, it would be virtually impossible at this point unless a very significant smoking gun that would make an open-and-shut case were uncovered. So far, we haven't got one. Various congressional committees have opened investigations into some of his malfeasance, but they take time, and the White House will of course stall for all it's worth rather than give up incriminating documents. I should add, for non-USians, that until thk congressional elections last November that put Democrats in the majority, there wouldn't have been even a ghost of a chance unless he'd offed his mother in public. Then guy got away with blowing up some three thousand people on September 11, 2001. Of course he could get away with killing his mother in public. It's not that long ago his deputy almost killed someone with a gun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for the Ark of Noahthe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Given that it's impossble to innocently and seriously discuss TM related issues on this forum without risking being assaulted by Illuminatis, Freemasons, Satanists, Christian fundamentalists, etc my question is: where do people who (1) regularly practice TM, and (2) are quite happy with it, go to yell at each other? Vaj, TB, Paul Mason need not bother to asnwer. This FFL is the one and only place I have been yelled at. Never seen anything like it. Didn't happen before the alt.med people moved here though. May they all retire to where they came from and belong. (And NO Barry, I did not say Hell) I would presume that the fellow who started this place must be rather saddened by how it has turned out. Is he practicizing TM regularly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for the Ark of Noahthe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peterklutz Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Looking for the Ark of Noahthe Given that it's impossble to innocently and seriously discuss TM related issues on this forum without risking being assaulted by Illuminatis, Freemasons, Satanists, Christian fundamentalists, etc my question is: where do people who (1) regularly practice TM, and (2) are quite happy with it, go to yell at each other? Most homes in FF, hence the high divorce rate. :-) Any electronic locations?
[FairfieldLife] With love to Peter Klutz' nemesis sparaig
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6423659.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume II
TB. No sane person spends time compiling things like this. It's beyond right or wrong - it's pathological. Get a life. Now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume II (6 February 2007) Again, the beliefs of long-term TMers (20 to 35+ years of daily TM practice), in *their own words*, as repre- sented by what they said in the posts to which they replied on one Internet forum during the last two and a half days (since the posting of Volume I). And again, I post the quotes without attribution, because in my opinion the quotes and their authors are pretty much interchangeable in the ways in which they represent common TMer mindsets and states of attention. I apologize for the lack of context, but the challenge of collecting the quotes while holding down a full-time job was taxing enough. If you are interested in determining the author of any of the quotes, and the context in which he or she wrote the quote, please use Yahoo's 'Advanced Search' feature on the Web version of this forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch_adv In general, the people being talked about disparagingly below are those who have dared to be critical of TM, the TM organization, and/or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on this forum in the past. Other than occasional comments to explain context or who or what is being discussed, none of the words below are mine. And I make no comment on any of these quotes, other than having chosen them for inclusion here. The reader is free to draw his or her own conclusions. ** S [TM critic} has created a big problem for himself, prematurely taking on the nickname 'V', making him resistant to any suggestion that he has more to learn. It is his problem, and no matter how much he argues with himself on this forum, not likely to resolve itself soon. The stupidity of his small self encases him like barbed wire. Same person: Jewish proverb: 'Listen to your enemy, for God is talking.' Replying to: ...it's well known that any meditation that uses an object will, by it's very nature, require some subtle effort since they all rely on some kind of technique. -- It's well known, save to those of us who were content to keep to our original practice, rather than seek something 'better.' V [TM critic] has an agenda or is confused, or both. I do not understand why anyone bothers to answer him. What is sad is that some unestablished souls, newcomers on the Path, could be confused by the negativity [on this forum]. Though I think they judge the Path by experience more than rubbish written on forums like this. 99% of what B [TM critic] says in these rants is due to his coffee addiction, and shouldn't be taken seriously. He has over a decade's worth of empty experience in which he has learned to craft an argument on-line (applause for the little boy!). He adds his coffee addiction to this and spins many fanciful and empty stories. Same person: 'Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?' -Abraham Lincoln This fellow [TM critic] has an agenda. To sow dissention, perhaps he is making a buck or two on this. He is not really dangerous to anyone but himself because his motivs are so obvious. From your many misdescriptions of TM, V [TM critic], you couldn't have 'abandoned' the original practice because you were never practicing TM to begin with, but rather your misunderstanding of it. That's right. But fellows like 'V' [TM critic] will never get this. People like him will always try to complicate, sow dissention. Their world is simple in the sense of; we know what we have but not what we will get. They hate the whole idea of self-realization. Self realized ? Without the church, without the Government ? No Sir ! Regarding a purported quote by Maharishi saying that TM was not completely effortless: Who the hell knows? We can't possibly tell without context. R can't provide a verbatim transcript, and we can't just accept without question his interpretation of a long-ago lecture illus- trated by a quote that has no meaning out of context. And in a followup, about that same quote: *Of course* there was a context. He didn't just sit there and suddenly come up with the quote and then start talking about something completely different. 'A lecture about the effortlessness of TM' is nowhere near adequate context to fathom the meaning of the quote. Don't you know what 'context' means? ...former TMers like V [TM critic] disdainfully insist that there's effort involved [in TM] and that TMers are lying about it, while getting a bunch of things about what MMY teaches disastrously, unequivocally wrong, demonstrating that they don't know what the hell they're talking about. So do you and B [TM critics] have the guts
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for the Ark of Noah
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peterklutz Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Looking for the Ark of Noahthe Given that it's impossble to innocently and seriously discuss TM related issues on this forum without risking being assaulted by Illuminatis, Freemasons, Satanists, Christian fundamentalists, etc my question is: where do people who (1) regularly practice TM, and (2) are quite happy with it, go to yell at each other? Most homes in FF, hence the high divorce rate. and such yelling and divorce as solutions, may be indicative of a low level of violence in the home as a solution . OffWorld You're saying TB is a wifebeater?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Reading this post by Michael Dean Goodman: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/131314 ... it seems the assumed starting point is always mind's thinking level. Given the inward direction of TM-practice it would seem that clinging to an over-intellectual schematic approach might become a problem as thoughts becomes feelings, feelings settles down into sense of my-ness, then am-ness, and is-ness. What detailed commentaries has Maharishi offered on the process below the thinking level of the mind. Vaj, TB and Paul Mason need not respond. Thanks for exempting me, Peter, but I want to respond to your question anyway. I have no earthly idea what Maharishi might have said about these things, and I don't care. For some of us, meditation is something we do because it enables us to stop thinking and just sit quietly in samadhi. Others seem to use it as something to think even more about. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. For a guy who claims to sit quietly in Samadhi your impact on the aural environment is quite degrading, especially considered that (1) your participation is unsolicited; (2) you didn't have anything to say in response except a big I don't know and (therefore?) I don't care.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Reading this post by Michael Dean Goodman: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/131314 ... it seems the assumed starting point is always mind's thinking level. Given the inward direction of TM-practice it would seem that clinging to an over-intellectual schematic approach might become a problem as thoughts becomes feelings, feelings settles down into sense of my-ness, then am-ness, and is-ness. What detailed commentaries has Maharishi offered on the process below the thinking level of the mind. Vaj, TB and Paul Mason need not respond. Thanks for exempting me, Peter, but I want to respond to your question anyway. I have no earthly idea what Maharishi might have said about these things, and I don't care. For some of us, meditation is something we do because it enables us to stop thinking and just sit quietly in samadhi. Kill dat Buddha, dude. What Buddha? I'm just talking about my everyday meditations, and what would and would not strike me as interesting enough to discuss about them. Not everyone here has the same definition of 'meditation' that you do. Yours seems to involve the *TM* definition, which I think I can sum up best by quoting one TM supporter here who described it yesterday: Not maintaining transcendental consciousness is not a 'failure' in the TM context, of course. Nor is having thoughts. These are an integral part of TM. I have no problem with this description, as long as it is of Transcendental Meditation, as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But others of us here practice other forms of meditation, and believe that not being able to experience TC (samadhi) or not being able to maintain that experience for long periods of time IS a bit of a 'failure.' In our paradigm for what meditation is, it's all *about* transcending and maintaining transcendence; everything else is merely the stuff that leads up to that. That is not to say that the meditation we practice is better than TM, or even more effective, just that it's DIFFERENT, both in theory and in practice. Those who practice a technique in which the bottom line is to spend as much of the time of each meditation session as possible in samadhi are probably not going to be terribly interested in discussing the finer details of the periods they spent *not* in samadhi. And there is nothing TO discuss about samadhi. :-) So you and Peter K. can discuss the finer levels of thought and feeling and amness and isness and how your perception of the mantra varies in each of them all you WANT, man. There is no need to specifically exclude me from such discussions, because they don't really interest me very much. What DOES interest me is the sometimes apalling ignorance in long-term TMers of the larger world of meditation practice, and the many different paradigms and descriptions of What Meditation Is that exist in that larger world. My experience is that TMers tend to look *down* on other forms of meditation so much that they don't WANT to learn anything about them or hear about them. And they *especially* don't want to hear about techniques in which the practitioners spend half to most of their meditation time in samadhi, while they themselves spend much of their time discussing all the different things they go through trying to GET to samadhi. Different strokes for different folks, dude. No Buddhas involved. :-) For a guy who claims to be not really interested your aural environmental pollution says quite the opposite.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: For a guy who claims to be not really interested your aural environmental pollution says quite the opposite. Aural? Uh, Peter...is your computer TALKING to you again? Mine only displays words on a screen for me to read. Do us a favor, Ok? If your computer starts telling you to go out and stock up on ammo, could you let us all know? You didn't know? Your mike and webcam is on. I can see you talk to yourself as you type and, once every thirty seconds or so, wipe your spit off the screen.
[FairfieldLife] Leap into Infinity
Returning to this wonderful post by Michael Dean Goodman: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/131314 What exactly has been said about the final stages of the process of moving from feeling, my-ness, am-ness, is-ness to the Absolute? I am not talking about meditation, but the TM-program per se: how this is experienced/handled on a 24-hours basis, included waking and dreaming/sleeping. I recall reading something about the necessity to be extra careful to establish CC by appropriate activity in this, final, ejection-from-the-relative phase. (For you non-TMers out there, the phase discussed above is not when Neo swallows the red pill, or touches the mirror and his body goes liquid metal - but the moment he wakes up inside the incubator and the life-support system ejects him.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. Except, one need not have intent to do TM. Maharishi, on my TTC, quoting some Vedic scripture: Be easy to us with gentle effort. He gave a whole lecture, or part of one, about how TM did actually involve gentle effort. Heh. Not always in my experience. Does this mean that I'm doing TM wrong? Gentle means gentle. Just the intention to entertain the mantra is a gentle effort, as compared with just sitting there letting random thoughts run amok. That dichotomy is a specific situation that sometimes occurs: when you realize you've been having thoughts, but the mantra does not then come of its own accord. For me--and I believe Lawson has said the same thing-- the realization that one has been having thoughts is (or often is) indistinguishable from the mantra. As Lawson points out, the checking notes say that when one begins to meditate and the mantra arises on its own, that is just the right start to meditation. Sometimes it's necessary to use gentle effort to jump-start the mantra at the beginning of meditation or after a train of thought has subsided. So in that sense you could say TM involves gentle effort. To suggest that it involves gentle effort *throughout*, as a rule for how to entertain the mantra, is just wrong. Reading this post by Michael Dean Goodman: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/131314 ... it seems the assumed starting point is always mind's thinking level. Given the inward direction of TM-practice it would seem that clinging to an over-intellectual schematic approach might become a problem as thoughts becomes feelings, feelings settles down into sense of my-ness, then am-ness, and is-ness. What detailed commentaries has Maharishi offered on the process below the thinking level of the mind. Vaj, TB and Paul Mason need not respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most sources that I've seen say he just celebrated his 90th birthday, but Dr. Jay Coplin says he was born in 1912 and joined Gurudev when he was 28, a short time before or after he became Shankaracharya. http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/ This actually makes more sense: MMY hung around with Gurudev for 13 years starting in 1940/1941 until his death in 1953, For him to be 90 this year means he was only 23 or 24 when he joined the monastery which means he had NO life experiences out of college and yet managed to become the secretary to the Shankaracharya, managing the whole thing, according to most accounts, within a few short years of leaving college. You stopped making sense a long time ago, sparaig Exhibit 1: At the age of 24 Alexander The Great was welcomed as a liberator in Egypt. It happened after he, at 18, became king, united Greece and in a series of epic battles rid the region of several hundred years of Persian rule. Exhibit 2: The brilliant mathematician and political activist Evariste Galois died at the age of 21, after he had been part of a rebellion, spent time in prison and laid the foundation to what today in Mathematics is known as Galois Theory. Exhibit 3: At the age of 24, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, had completed the preparatory work leading up to the launch of Goggle. Exhibit 4: Bill Gates created Microsoft when he was in his early twenties and struck the deal with IBM that made his life when 25. Exhibit 5: This 15-year old may already be enlightened. http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4479240.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody Knows...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It's interesting, this thread is completely missing on the web version of FFL. There sure isn't any recent thread with Everybody Knows in the subject heading. What's it about? He sent a post with a new topic that showed up on FFL's email traffic that didn't show up on the FFL website. The message body consisted of this: Rufus susses Leonard... http://snipurl.com/1bw6t-TO4Z8F (Probably requires a recent version of QT that appreciates AAC...) Ah, OK. He sent the same thing out last night as an email to undisclosed recipients, including a second URL that he titled, bizarrely, MP3 version...Dedicated to Judith and Jack Stein. [snip] Very strange. Whatever you do, don't play any of these MP3s - they contain subliminal Illuminati brainwashing messages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Most sources that I've seen say he just celebrated his 90th birthday, but Dr. Jay Coplin says he was born in 1912 and joined Gurudev when he was 28, a short time before or after he became Shankaracharya. http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/ This actually makes more sense: MMY hung around with Gurudev for 13 years starting in 1940/1941 until his death in 1953, For him to be 90 this year means he was only 23 or 24 when he joined the monastery which means he had NO life experiences out of college and yet managed to become the secretary to the Shankaracharya, managing the whole thing, according to most accounts, within a few short years of leaving college. Say what you want about about MMY, but he isn't some dope. I'm sure he and many other 23-24 year olds are more than capable of running an ashram or any other type of organization. Sure, but there's reports that he worked in a factory for a while, and that MMY was being groomed for a GS life after school. There's only so much living that can be crammed into your first year of life after you graduate. You're acting like you won and argument even though you're flat on your back with your nose bleeding. Exhibit 1: At the age of 24 Alexander The Great was welcomed as a liberator in Egypt. It happened after he, at 18, became king, united Greece and in a series of epic battles rid the region of several hundred years of Persian rule. Exhibit 2: The brilliant mathematician and political activist Evariste Galois died at the age of 21, after he had been part of a rebellion, spent time in prison and laid the foundation to what today in Mathematics is known as Galois Theory. Exhibit 3: At the age of 24, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, had completed the preparatory work leading up to the launch of Goggle. Exhibit 4: Bill Gates created Microsoft when he was in his early twenties and struck the deal with IBM that made his life when 25. Exhibit 5: This 15-year old may already be enlightened. http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4479240.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody Knows...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It's interesting, this thread is completely missing on the web version of FFL. There sure isn't any recent thread with Everybody Knows in the subject heading. What's it about? He sent a post with a new topic that showed up on FFL's email traffic that didn't show up on the FFL website. The message body consisted of this: Rufus susses Leonard... http://snipurl.com/1bw6t-TO4Z8F (Probably requires a recent version of QT that appreciates AAC...) Ah, OK. He sent the same thing out last night as an email to undisclosed recipients, including a second URL that he titled, bizarrely, MP3 version...Dedicated to Judith and Jack Stein. [snip] Very strange. Whatever you do, don't play any of these MP3s - they contain subliminal Illuminati brainwashing messages. Uh...I doubt it. I didn't add a smiley, since I don't know any that is half-serious and half-kidding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: [...] Everyone knows that [...] Guru Devji attained Mahasamadhi at 1:15 pm on Wednesday, 20 May 1953. That would make Mahesh 90 years old this year. From the Encyclopedia Brittanica: Little is known of the Maharishi's early life. He studied physics at the University of Allahabad and worked for a time in factories. He later left for the Himalayas, where for 13 years he studied under Guru Dev, the founder of TM. When Guru Dev died in 1952, the Maharishi organized a movement to spread the teachings of TM throughout the world; his first world tour took place in 1959 and brought him to the United States. But everyone knows that Gurudev died in 1953, while your Brittanica quote says he died in 1952. Typo, or Illuminatti conspiracy? It's your dyslexia (and it's spelled Britannica).
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Classic projection. When confronted with one's own doubts about one's spiritual practice, teacher, or tradition, EXTERNALIZE them and project all the anger that one feels towards ones self for feel- ing these doubts onto those who are open about having them, or worse, onto those who LAUGH at the doubts and at those who feel threatened about having them. And the deeper the doubts that the seeker of this type has, the worse they portray the externalized enemy to be. Reflections: (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, your argument works both ways - and may just as equally be applied to you and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because you and Vaj usually strike first. What is meant by strike first? There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re- your imbalance, and opens you up. The impulse that pushes you to take action, to strike out at another, takes you down the path of a specific energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of the place of all possibilities. A master warrior knows that as soon as you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn into action, you've already lost. Found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709 (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between object, subject and the process of their mutual cognition/interaction (during which they tint and transform each other, which you may have noticed) is to step outside their field of interaction - i.e. to transcend. You may view the rationales for the occasional reactions your constant whining about MMY and his spiritual techniques results in as: (A) Nature's way of, in one short burst, re-balancing a flow of negativity that has built up (B) The personal views of individuals with good and solid experiences of *externalizing* the relative and who therefore may have an inkling of just how great Maharishi's gift to them is, and just how selfless his actions are as he gave up a life in blissed solitude to spend fifty+ years walking in the mud of the world in order to help his fellowmen. Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this post is written in earnest and then internalize it.
[FairfieldLife] Shit-eaters Inc (Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent ... )
TB - I did not expect a reply. Now that I have one, a tome the size of the Old Testament I don't need to read. Why? The length of your reply makes me realize I just perfected my art of shadba marma, i.e. how to kill an enemy by delivering sounds that goes to work on certain of his (or hers) esoteric nerve centers - in your case the muscles controlling your lower abdomen. You may not have realized it, but you are dying from literal diarrhea. The only known cure to this condition is to re-digest your shiite, hoping that there's is left some nourishment in the brown stuff you're chewing on. Doing so shouldnät be a problem - looking at your postings so far, I give the impression of having actualyl acquired a taste for human chocolate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replying, but out of sequence: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this post is written in earnest and then internalize it. Peter, in all honesty when I read your post I wasn't planning to reply AT ALL until I got to this last part, and realized that you desperately WANTED a reply. Then I remembered that you had actually replied to a post of mine yesterday without acting like a crazy, and realized that I owed you one, so here goes...a reply to the only things in your post I can possibly think of a reply to: Reflections: (1) Like everything else in the non-absolute reality of life, your argument works both ways - and may just as equally be applied to you and Vaj. In my view more appropriately so because you and Vaj usually strike first. An interesting point. I cannot speak for Vaj, but my suggestion to you is to do a search of my posts for the last few months (say since the beginning of the year) and repost here the ones in which I directly attack Maharishi, TM, TMers as a group (as opposed to individual TMers I might criticize as nut cases because...uh...they're acting like nut cases), etc. It is my perception that many on this forum who keep posting that all Barry does is attack these things are living in their own minds and in the past. That said, I readily admit to striking first against *individual* posters here who, in my opinion, are acting in a manner that reflects badly not only on TM and that tradition, but on ALL spiritual trad- itions. Sometimes I strike first by taunting them and pushing their buttons, SO THAT they will react by going a little crazy and revealing to even more people the extent of their craziness. At other times I strike first by poking fun at these individuals -- laughing uproariously at them and inviting others here to join in the laughter. I do this SO THAT more people *will* laugh at these people, and in the hope that someday a few of them might learn to laugh at themselves. What is meant by strike first? There is a principle in the martial arts, that whoever strikes first loses. Because to strike at another takes you off your center, re-your imbalance, and opens you up. With all due respect, it sounds as if you have read more about the martial arts than you have practiced them. Anyone who believes that to strike (or strike first) one has to go off balance just hasn't spent much time in a dojo or on the contest mats. The impulse that pushes you to take action, to strike out at another, takes you down the path of a specific energy, a specific possibility - and takes you out of the place of all possibilities. So you're saying that by choosing one possibility (the path, for example, of poking fun at someone silly so that others will laugh at them...definitely a form of attack), one has been taken out of the place of all possibilities? Well, Ok, I guess, but one could make the case that by choosing *any* possibility one has *equally* taken oneself out of the place of all possibilities. Only by remaining as inactive as a turnip can one choose no specific possibility from the pool of all possibilities. A master warrior knows that as soon as you feel that desire come up, and then yield to it and let it turn into action, you've already lost. Found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108709 Oh. No WONDER you're confused. You're basing your view of what martial arts is about on the writings of Michael Dean Goodman. Well duh. What's HE going to do as a martial artist -- TALK you to death? A guy comes up to him in a bar and starts to pick a fight and in response Michael sits down and writes out a 7,000-word essay and flings it at him? :-) (2) The only way to truly externalize this dance between object, subject and the process of their mutual cognition/ interaction (during which they tint and transform each other, which you
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: [...] Before the adrenaline-surge hits your brain this time, and your hands attack your keyboard, do yourself a favor and presuppose that this post is written in earnest and then internalize it. It really does go both ways, Peter. Only if you are an intellectually dishonest person who censor the key points of your fellow contributors followed by pretending it means something else than it does. ... Peter Klutz ... Signing off [TRANSMISSION ENDED]
[FairfieldLife] On Democracy
Afghanistan after democracy: the untold story through photographic images is the story of suffering of the Afghan people. This book exposes the lies of the Bush administration about the post-Taliban Afghanistan, and the disaster brought upon Afghanistan by the United States of America and her allies. It exposes democracy as the buzz word for the neocolonial adventure of the US. The claims of reconstruction in Afghanistan is nothing but a total fraud. It exposes the failure of the US government at all levels in Afghanistan. Finally, it exposes the genocide committed by the US government through the use of uranium weapons and the consequences of these weapons of mass destruction particularly congenital deformities. SOURCE: http//www.afghanistanafterdemocracy.com
[FairfieldLife] Vaj self-terminated thru use of hyperbole
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mercy snip] ... I'm typically not real keen on people who are against universal tolerance and who are anti-Masons, bigots or wild conspiracy theorists. But you do see a lot of that more and more here, whether it's a Neo-Nazi or a TM-Nazi. Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. Meaning: 1: ... overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. 2: ... once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
[FairfieldLife] Two quotes for Masonic America (was Re: Are you with us, or against us?)
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin The basis of a democratic state is liberty. -- Aristotle
[FairfieldLife] Vaj self-terminated thru use of hyperbole
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [mercy snip] ... I'm typically not real keen on people who are against universal tolerance and who are anti-Masons, bigots or wild conspiracy theorists. But you do see a lot of that more and more here, whether it's a Neo-Nazi or a TM-Nazi. Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. Meaning: 1: ... overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. 2: ... once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
[FairfieldLife] Illuminati campaign re-.launched? (was TM-Terrorists or just sad cases?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression; 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as 'sin' or 'evil'. However, over the years I met several people who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and heard such mental ill health connected with the devil. I never took such comments seriously. Yet more recently I have heard terrorists being branded 'evil', but still I resisted the term. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents addressed to me at FFL. I ended the day feeling that I had encountered pure evil. It was a feeling not a thought. I could feel the poison, it endured for most of the night. It was clearly not light that they had showered me with!! These posters and others of their ilk, who pose as supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi yet post malevolent attacks on others, is it really possible that they actually practice TM? No, I don't think so. Do you guys get paid by the hour or day to do whatever it is you are doing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL used to be such an intelligent reasonable sort of group....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Many years ago I heard an expression, 'If I could find an open mind I'd get some sin and drop it in'. I was horrified, I have never had any use for concepts such as sin or evil. However, over the years I have met the occasional person who seemed to be suffering from mental illness, and on occasion heard such suffering connected with the devil and being evil. I never took such comments seriously. That is until I read the poison penned letters of a couple of respondents on FFL and I ended the day pondering as to whether I had encountered pure evil. Is it actually possible that they are practising TM? I don't think so. Some people DO develop meditational disorders Paul and these do manifest in a variety of ways. They actually are more common in mass meditation methods like TM because there is no individualized methods given to correct problems before or after they arise. These disorders are often exacerbated by situations where people are told to continue meditating rather than applying an antidote or where purification is skipped. It is a very sad thing to see. Physical abuse, even broken ones, heal slowly over time. Internal abuse can be even more insidious and be much longer lasting. Paul puts the ball exactly where Vaj needs in order to make him believe he will make a home run. Advice: change script writer - the way you guys coach each other makes your propaganda piece boring.
[FairfieldLife] Lucifier exposed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mercy snip] If it walks like a crazy duck and quacks like a crazy duck, chances are it really IS Just Another Crazy Duck. You can say that again. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132670 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132837 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132851 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132869
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Study Proposal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading through some of the posts to Fairfield Life, alt.meditation.transcendental, and TM-Free lately, I have revised my opinion of the new Electricity is bad for you campaign being promoted by Maharishi and the TM movement. I'm beginning to think they're onto something. [snip] Give it some thought, any of you researchers out there. I think the research is already there. When I was in the navy (1980s) we were clearly informed to avoid exposure (i.e. stand to close to) radars on the ships we were on. They were considered a radiation hazard. Skip forward twenty years and people are expected to put devices emitting the same stuff next to their heads. What is required, it would seem, is not more of time-wasting research to support our weak spines - but the courage to accept the facts as we already know them, and do so in the face of well-healed, ruthless and intellectually dishonest enemies. Congratulations for working up the courage!
[FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china-scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html [snip] Hey, here's an even scarier scenario: nuclear armed murder dolphins on the lam! http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Maybe we can, but of what kind of Light-forces? Beautiful, as the thought of benign visitors from other solar systems is, a more likely explanation is that the bulk of the World's unexplained UFO sightings since WWII are the result of a covert military program run by a country controlled by Baphomet worshipers: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-834605691449249469
[FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china- scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html [snip] Hey, here's an even scarier scenario: nuclear armed murder dolphins on the lam! http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.h tml Not nuclear-armed. They're armed with toxic darts designed to disable terrorists in wet suits. They would say that, wouldn't they. Using trained animals as suicide bombers dates back to at least WWII.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. The Cheney-team, it's hidden masters, and the US military-industrial complex need them to keep the war going in order to realize their final bid at world domination. The campaign also has a snowball effect, seen as formerly conflict-reluctant War-on-bullshit allies, which many now have a bloodied teeth and governments and industries which have had their appetites vetted with the power-trip and financial upsides of the US master plan. There is a reason MMY immediately after 911 started to warn the world about G.W. Bush and his cronies. Hold on.. wait ... Ok, I better leave - I see men in white lab coats on my verandah. ... Oh my - they're chiming the bell! Cheerio! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least Cheney is good for something? CIA Evidence Used to Confront Musharraf; Showdown in Pakistan February 26, 2007 6:13 PM Brian Ross Reports: In a highly unusual move, the deputy director of the CIA, Stephen R. Kappes, was flown to Pakistan to personally present President Pervez Musharraf today with compelling CIA evidence of al Qaeda's resurgence on Pakistani soil, U.S. officials say. Kappes joined Vice President Dick Cheney for the surprise showdown meeting in Musharraf's office in Pakistan. The CIA evidence reportedly included satellite photos and electronic intercepts of al Qaeda leaders operating in Pakistan. President Musharraf is the kind of man who doesn't move until he sees the hard facts in front of his face, said Mansoor Ijaz, a counterterrorism analyst who has dealt with Musharraf. As ABCNews.com reported earlier this month, al Qaeda training camps have re-emerged in the Waziristan territory of Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan. We are now seeing the recreation of al Qaeda central, said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief. U.S. officials say Musharraf has been in denial about the comeback of al Qaeda on his soil, ignoring evidence presented to him by NATO commanders in Afghanistan. Musharraf pulled his Army troops out of Waziristan last September as part of a peace deal with tribal leaders. In an appearance with President Bush at the White House on Sept. 22, Musharraf vowed he would not tolerate al Qaeda activity in our tribal agency or across the border in Afghanistan. Since, then, al Qaeda and Taliban attacks on U.S. and NATO troops across the border have more than tripled. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. [mercy snip 1] And in the meantime, if you don't like others pecking at the shell you've erected around yourself to protect that self from challenging thought, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. There are forums on Yahoo and other places that are DESIGNED for you. Nothing will rock your world or cause you to think there. And *I*, for one, will not be there to bother you or intrude into your bliss. [mercy snip 2] You analogy fails in many respects, most importantly when overlooking the facts on the ground when with Vaj and his likes. You see Vaj is not remotely interested in hacking open anyone's shell. He wants to infect our discussions with a virus that ensures we will molt and rot where we are and never break free from Maya. The big reason he wants to do this is that he doesn't understand the fundamental truth of TM. Thus, what should people who do understand this do - remain forever silent as a sixth-grader in an organized fashion disrupts discussions or do we allow ourselves the liberty to say: okay, Mr Sixth-grader (Vaj) - this is how it really is. Whatever you chose, I think is well within the charter of this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Yo, Paulie - why don't you pour some gas over yourself and lighten up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. This statement should not be interpreted as an endorsement of the man or his teachings. Just that I believe him to have intended well by his actions. I do not regret learning TM nor practicing it for well over three decades. As it happens I was originally prompted to write his biography as a showcase for some his wonderfully original thinking, it was only after the first few chapters I came to question some of his methods of spreading his beliefs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Who do you think you are fooling? Grow a spine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Suggested rewrite: Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi isn't in it just for the fame or money, but is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting, well- intentioned maverick, who with the best of motives wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? Q: What is the problem with Paul Mason - is it that he is a closet-hater of all things TMO? A: Not exactly. Q: Then what is? A: The real problem with Paul Mason is that has so far been unable to work up the spine to come out of the closet with who he is and openly admit his orientation.
[FairfieldLife] Spine donor needed (Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM ... )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [gargamount mercy snip] Anyone with a spare spine we could give to Mr Mason?
[FairfieldLife] Spine donor needed (Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti ... )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q. Okay, just what does one do if a complete stranger starts launching verbal attacks on you? A. One can use it as an opportunity to practice tolerance in the face of intoleration I suppose. FFL seems to be full of such opportunities these days, despite it being against the guidelines of such groups. A. Accept some sound medical advice. Grow a spine. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Danger of Vaj (was the Danger of Samadhi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://what-buddha-taught.net/Books/Ajahn_Chah_Dangers_in_Samadhi.htm Wrong samadhi is where the mind enters calm and there's no awareness at all. ...the mind enters calm, and we don't want to come out to investigate anything. We just get stuck on that happiness ... With right samadhi, no matter what level of calm is reached, there is awareness. There is full mindfulness and clear comprehension. Last time you tried to make people believe the TM-Sidhi program is dangerous. Now your warning against Samadhi? You are a self-confessed mason with a mission and I think there is a very strong need for you to come clean regarding what you are up to - what the end-vision for you work here really is? There is currently a movement in this country to re-seed all religious traditions with universal tools of Gnosis via esoteric Freemasonry. I am a founding member of this movement. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45827 Vaj, once again you slithered behind some rocks when the spotlight caught you, and now you're waiting for things to calm down before you make your next appareance - which will no doubt come in the form of be yet another quote, or question, with the intent to sow doubt (part of the process of re-seeding) in people's minds regarding their experiences. A quote to end all quotes: Never doubt your experiences.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Danger of Samadhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: You are a self-confessed mason with a mission and I think there is a very strong need for you to come clean regarding what you are up to - what the end-vision for you work here really is? There is currently a movement in this country to re-seed all religious traditions with universal tools of Gnosis via esoteric Freemasonry. I am a founding member of this movement. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45827 I'd venture a guess that Vaj's regular antagonism towards MMY's spiritual development programs is rooted in the reality that MMY has designed the TM and TM-Siddhis program(me)s with minimal dogma, thwarting Vaj's re-seeding. Given that, sowing basic 'FUD' (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) is his next option. Sort of the If I can't play, nobody can approach... One thing that one can say in favor of paranoia is its entertainment value. Hand a paranoid something and tell them it's a ball, and they'll start running towards the goal line with it. I'm really going to miss Peter Klutz around here after we Satanists eat him, but it looks like Jim will be here to take his place... :-) Don't worry about it, you can always watch re-runs of Fawlty Towers.
