Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
On 10/30/2014 11:48 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What I find rather funny, is that this kid's piece was a relatively gentle reflection on his childhood and youth. And he seems to have come to terms with what he felt may have been a dysfunctional upbringing, and has been able to put that dysfunctionality into perspective. But it appears to have driven Barry, absolutely bat shit crazy that the guy is not full of anger and resentment and lashing out at his parents and the TM organization. Barry evidently feels that the kid needs to be reeducated, or deprogrammed, or at the very least, get a good scolding. Barry cannot comprehend that one might be able to put things behind them and move on. Why would this be? Maybe because Barry apparently has never been to any cult-exit counseling to get therapy for his cognitive dissonance? Obviously this guy calling himself the TurquoiseB is nuts and insane and goes bat shit crazy at the very mention one of his dead teachers. Maybe Barry is bi-polar and remains in a more or less permanent trance-induction state, kind of like a programmed mechanical robot. Go figure. /This sounds like a pretty normal event, and it is, but you have to consider that standing next to me was the gentleman I had seen a few hours ago in the desert disappearing and walking several inches above the ground and making the stars move around./// Accessed on October 30, 2014: http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You took the words out of my mouth (oops, bad analogy at the moment), Ann. I chanced upon a recent photo of b on-line, and I have it in me, less and less, to respond to, or comment on, his repetitious diatribes. Kinda like mugging an old man. Seriously. So, what was fun when I considered him a peer, isn't any longer. There are plenty of other things that catch my mind, so, on to them!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The worldreally is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world peace...uh...you're INSANE. You're NOT special or more evolved or 10,000 X more powerful than lesser people, you're INSANE. It's OK to *be* insane, if your insane beliefs give you some sense of comfort and don't hurt anybody. After all, millions of people believe in an invisible man in the sky who watches everything they do, and as long as they don't get in other people's faces about it, they can be that insane and still be considered productive members of society. But ferchrissakes don't pretend that the things you believe AREN'T insane, and don't pretend to be outraged because other people point out the insanity. You CHOSE to be considered insane the moment you signed that check and paid thousands of dollars to learn how to 'fly.' Live with that choice now, and try not to pretend that you're still sane after having made it. Having made that choice makes you an outlier, an anomaly within human society. A nut case. 99% OR MORE OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET ARE GOING TO CONSIDER YOU A NUT CASE IF YOU TELL THEM YOU BELIEVE THAT BOUNCING ON YOUR BUTT IS 'FLYING' AND THAT IT'S 'THE BLACK BELT OF MEDITATION'. It's not. And no amount of claiming
Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. -Buck in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world peace...uh...you're
Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. No, I'm being realistic, because at one point in my life I was as insane as the people in Fairfield who believe that by bouncing on their butts they are flying. But in my case this delusion only lasted for about a year. I regained my sanity and left long before the TMO started claiming that by bouncing on my butt I could create world peace, which is actually a more troubling level of insanity than believing it could make them fly. I'm presenting on this forum (that was *created* to discuss alternative views of TM, BTW) a different point of view on the insanity TM dome goers are living with on a daily basis, because it appears they're not likely to ever get that point of view from within Fairfield itself. There is too much effort being expended by people like you to candy coat this insanity and try to present it as if it were normal. It isn't. It never was. It never will be. What it is is insanity. If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. turquoiseb wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
Barry, what are you going to do about this?! People are still bouncing on their butts on foam with this misguided notion that they are doing something positive for the world. This is a national, nay, a global scourge, and your efforts to enlist the LR, evidently is not paying off. Again, you've got to do more. It's either them or you, and they seem to be winning, at least in the area of driving you bat shit crazy P.S. I did get to at least the second paragraph of you manifesto. Hey good people of the Netherlands, if you see some guy frantically pacing back and forth in one one your cafes, muttering something along the lines, they're not listening to me. WTF are they not listening to me? My LR are letting me down. Buy him a beer or something. Put in on our tab, or just do it as a Good Samaritan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world
Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM
Barry Emanuel. He is among us. This anti cult messiah is among us. A mission of mercy on the part of Barry. Praise God! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : snip If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. turquoiseb wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is
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One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the Movement: for many of my friends who have left, their relationship with home is a fraught one. Somewhere on the Internet there’s a listserv or private group blog called Cult Bros, where a group of Gen-Xers and Millennials who grew up in the Movement air their grievances. I’m not a Cult Bros member myself, but I can anticipate their conversations — they’d be familiar to anyone who grew up in a community defined by certain dogma, religious or otherwise. There’s the resentment of the years spent trying to be perfect little yogis, frustrations over growing up in what can be a very socially conservative environment, anger at the time and effort and money spent working toward the unattainable goal that is world peace with very little payoff. There’s questioning of the traditions we grew up with, the means to this impossible end — the pujas, the mantras, the jai Guru Devs, the Golden Domes, the yogic flying. Questioning all of the Hindu mythology that’s wrapped up this thing we were told was not a religion. Like anyone from anywhere, the Cult Bros are trying to come to terms with their home. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the Movement: for many of my friends who have left, their relationship with home is a fraught one. Somewhere on the Internet there’s a listserv or private group blog called Cult Bros, where a group of Gen-Xers and Millennials who grew up in the Movement air their grievances. I’m not a Cult Bros member myself, but I can anticipate their conversations — they’d be familiar to anyone who grew up in a community defined by certain dogma, religious or otherwise. There’s the resentment of the years spent trying to be perfect little yogis, frustrations over growing up in what can be a very socially conservative environment, anger at the time and effort and money spent working toward the unattainable goal that is world peace with very little payoff. There’s questioning of the traditions we grew up with, the means to this impossible end — the pujas, the mantras, the jai Guru Devs, the Golden Domes, the yogic flying. Questioning all of the Hindu mythology that’s wrapped up this thing we were told was not a religion. Like anyone from anywhere, the Cult Bros are trying to come to terms with their home. I actually think that the Cult Bros thang is healthy, and the fact that the author of this fluff piece ISN'T a member and doesn't seem to be doing any real examination of the insanity he grew up with strikes me as far less healthy. The very fact that he could refer to the made-up, non-existent Yogic Flying as the black belt of meditation indicates to me that he's never understood meditation, much less anything to do with black belts. He's written a puff piece to make money, and pooh-pooh his own history growing up as if he's all adult now, and looks back on it as if it were just silly. My point is that it's a great deal MORE than silly -- it's insanity, on a mass scale. This guy has never really dealt with that. I have more respect for his bros in Cult Bros, who at least understand and acknowledge what they were part of. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the Movement: for many of my friends who have left, their relationship with home is a fraught one. Somewhere on the Internet there’s a listserv or private group blog called Cult Bros, where a group of Gen-Xers and Millennials who grew up in the Movement air their grievances. I’m not a Cult Bros member myself, but I can anticipate their conversations — they’d be familiar to anyone who grew up in a community defined by certain dogma, religious or otherwise. There’s the resentment of the years spent trying to be perfect little yogis, frustrations over growing up in what can be a very socially conservative environment, anger at the time and effort and money spent working toward the unattainable goal that is world peace with very little payoff. There’s questioning of the traditions we grew up with, the means to this impossible end — the pujas, the mantras, the jai Guru Devs, the Golden Domes, the yogic flying. Questioning all of the Hindu mythology that’s wrapped up this thing we were told was not a religion. Like anyone from anywhere, the Cult Bros are trying to come to terms with their home. I had a search around but couldn't find them. I thought a good bit of writing was his insight that yogic flying is the TMO's Xenu. Xenu being the Scientology creator god who enslaved a then extraterrestrial humanity a billion years ago and threw our souls into a volcano on Earth (or some such bollocks). The joke is that Scientologists spend decades working towards (and paying) for what is supposed to be the ultimate knowledge and is revealed to you only when you've proved yourself worthy enough. When you've reached these dizzy heights of acceptability you are taken into a room and shown this revealed Truth, written in Elrons own hand no less. A cheap sci-fi novel. Imagine how pissed off you'd be? But no, everyone is so caught up in the mind game that is cult beliefs that they accept it and even feel honoured. All their friends know and believe the great secret so why not? So much to lose if you pull out by then... I remember the first day of my TMSP course when I got the first sutra and found out that it wasn't some enigmatic sanskrit term but the word friendliness. How pissed off was I? A lot. But I stayed and got the rest and practised them for ten years. That's the way it works. You, me and Xenu. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so
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On 10/29/2014 8:33 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm with you on that assessment. /The story he posted sucks. The troll just can't seem to face reality: he was fired from his position in the MIU cafeteria kitchen and kicked off the campus for good reason a decade ago. He sucked as a dish-washer and he sucked at practicing meditation. He sucks as an informant./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/29/2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: /This has got to be one of the most boring stories about growing up in Fairfield I have ever read. The only interesting part is realizing that you must dream about this stuff in your sleep. Go figure./ https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc image https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo
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. They are comfortable using the more precise C word to describe what it is they were part of. He isn't. He's still trying to pretend it was just silly. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world peace...uh...you're INSANE. You're NOT special or more evolved or 10,000 X more powerful than lesser people, you're INSANE. It's OK to *be* insane, if your insane beliefs give you some sense of comfort and don't hurt anybody. After all, millions of people believe in an invisible man in the sky who watches everything they do, and as long as they don't get in other people's faces about it, they can be that insane and still be considered productive members of society. But ferchrissakes don't pretend that the things you believe AREN'T insane, and don't pretend to be outraged because other people point out the insanity. You CHOSE to be considered insane the moment you signed that check and paid thousands of dollars to learn how to 'fly.' Live with that choice now, and try not to pretend
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Doug, I guess you should resign yourself to henceforth being the main target of Barry's anti cult tirades. I don't know the exact reason for this, but I suspect because after a almost decades long effort he finally was able to get some notice in an obscure zine, mentioning your name as an example of a cult apologist. To most here, you comment was an example of over the top hyperbole, not to be condoned, but not rising to level Barry wished to present it. Of course, that matters not to Barry. It gave him some measure of vindication, and some assurance, (I guess), that his valiant efforts have not been for vain. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. No, I'm being realistic, because at one point in my life I was as insane as the people in Fairfield who believe that by bouncing on their butts they are flying. But in my case this delusion only lasted for about a year. I regained my sanity and left long before the TMO started claiming that by bouncing on my butt I could create world peace, which is actually a more troubling level of insanity than believing it could make them fly. I'm presenting on this forum (that was *created* to discuss alternative views of TM, BTW) a different point of view on the insanity TM dome goers are living with on a daily basis, because it appears they're not likely to ever get that point of view from within Fairfield itself. There is too much effort being expended by people like you to candy coat this insanity and try to present it as if it were normal. It isn't. It never was. It never will be. What it is is insanity. If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. turquoiseb wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting
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Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I actually think that the Cult Bros thang is healthy, and the fact that the author of this fluff piece ISN'T a member and doesn't seem to be doing any real examination of the insanity he grew up with strikes me as far less healthy. The very fact that he could refer to the made-up, non-existent Yogic Flying as the black belt of meditation indicates to me that he's never understood meditation, much less anything to do with black belts. He's written a puff piece to make money, and pooh-pooh his own history growing up as if he's all adult now, and looks back on it as if it were just silly. My point is that it's a great deal MORE than silly -- it's insanity, on a mass scale. This guy has never really dealt with that. I have more respect for his bros in Cult Bros, who at least understand and acknowledge what they were part of. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's
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absolutely INSANE to believe any of this stuff? This fellow's cult bro friends seem more advanced that he does to me. They are comfortable using the more precise C word to describe what it is they were part of. He isn't. He's still trying to pretend it was just silly. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world peace...uh...you're INSANE. You're NOT special or more evolved or 10,000 X more powerful than lesser people, you're INSANE. It's OK to *be* insane, if your insane beliefs give you some sense of comfort and don't hurt anybody. After all, millions of people believe in an invisible man in the sky who watches everything they do, and as long as they don't get in other people's faces
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
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On 10/30/2014 4:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. The guy just can't compare to your eloquent and interesting introduction, Barry. LoL! / //What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting// //in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in// //the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for // //a while. /- TurquoiseB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/30/2014 4:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. The guy just can't compare to your eloquent and interesting introduction, Barry. LoL! I'd say, for a guy who thinks Fritz the Cat is brilliant and who wrote Roadtrip Mind or whatever the name of bawee's Rama fluff piece was really doesn't hold the highest literary credibility with me. What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for a while. - TurquoiseB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
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On 10/30/2014 4:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that performing this bouncing is creating world peace...uh...you're INSANE. You're NOT special or more evolved or 10,000 X more powerful than lesser people, you're INSANE. It looks like Barry got his buttons pushed. Go figure. It's starting to look like Barry has got a real bad case of cognitive dissonance. I sometimes wonder what's going on in his mind - does he really think anyone is going to take him seriously after he posted numerous claims to having witnessed a guy levitate at a Denny's Restaurant in L.A., and nobody but him noticed it? Now, that's insane. / //I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles // //Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee // //hours of the night./ - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html
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On 10/30/2014 4:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Nobody could ever compare to your teacher and his accomplishments, Barry. You win for the amount of time and money anyone on FFL has ever spent on learning how to fly. You win the debate - you are just an awesome seeker; so old and so wise and experienced in spiritual pursuits! /Just to be clear, this wasn't in a TM context. The person levitating or flying through the air was a guy named Frederick Lenz, who also called himself Rama. He taught a hodge-podge of things from different traditions, but the majority of them were Buddhist. He didn't teach how to do this stuff directly; he just did it. As far as I know, none of his students ever developed the knack./// http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
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On 10/30/2014 4:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: 99% OR MORE OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET ARE GOING TO CONSIDER YOU A NUT CASE IF YOU TELL THEM YOU BELIEVE THAT BOUNCING ON YOUR BUTT IS 'FLYING' AND THAT IT'S 'THE BLACK BELT OF MEDITATION'. It is now official - the FFL science writer-reporter has declared himself to be insane. He got his buttons pushed today and now he is lashing out at his imagined enemies. Obviously this guy is afflicted with chronic cognitive dissonance. BARRY WRIGHT IS a nutcase. Rama had a black belt in karate. Go figure. /Suffice it to say that over an extended number of years I witnessed almost every siddhi described by Patanjali and quite a few that were not./ - Uncle Tantra https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/UcdGW9pnVpI/discussion
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Yes, Ann, I am indulging. But, does it strike anyone else as hilarious that you've got three people here, going through the little writing exercise this guy did as though it's a pilfered document from Area 51. Their musing run along the lines of: What do you think he meant by this? I think he said this, but really means this And the Cult Bros, I've looked into it, but I haven't found anything Who wants to be on the other side of this bet: that Michael has already contacted this guy, trying to suss out more information about the CBs, and fishing out any other insights. And yet, others here, are the cult obsessed? Hooboy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
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On 10/30/2014 6:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. No, I'm being realistic, because at one point in my life I was as insane as the people in Fairfield who believe that by bouncing on their butts they are flying. But in my case this delusion only lasted for about a year. Lasted about a year? Maybe you could explain to us why your autobiography is still up on your Rama Lenz site: /Anyway, if you're interested, I wrote some stuff about the fellow and what it // //was like to study with him in a book that's on the Web.../ - TurquoiseB Accessed on October 30, 2014 http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind I regained my sanity and left long before the TMO started claiming that by bouncing on my butt I could create world peace, which is actually a more troubling level of insanity than believing it could make them fly. I'm presenting on this forum (that was *created* to discuss alternative views of TM, BTW) a different point of view on the insanity TM dome goers are living with on a daily basis, because it appears they're not likely to ever get that point of view from within Fairfield itself. There is too much effort being expended by people like you to candy coat this insanity and try to present it as if it were normal. It isn't. It never was. It never will be. What it is is insanity. If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. turquoiseb wrote : *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc image https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way
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On 10/30/2014 6:55 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, what are you going to do about this?! People are still bouncing on their butts on foam with this misguided notion that they are doing something positive for the world. This is a national, nay, a global scourge, and your efforts to enlist the LR, evidently is not paying off. Again, you've got to do more. It's either them or you, and they seem to be winning, at least in the area of driving you bat shit crazy P.S. I did get to at least the second paragraph of you manifesto. /Barry's full manifesto can be found here:// // //http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/ Hey good people of the Netherlands, if you see some guy frantically pacing back and forth in one one your cafes, muttering something along the lines, they're not listening to me. WTF are they not listening to me? My LR are letting me down. Buy him a beer or something. Put in on our tab, or just do it as a Good Samaritan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc image https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize
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On 10/30/2014 7:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the Movement: /There is no group on the internet called Cult Bros. If there was, you would probably be it's moderator. Apparently you grew up in the cult and then got kicked out after twelve years. Now you're just upset at the rejection. According to Barry, you were insane. It looks like you are still pretty nutty. Go figure./ for many of my friends who have left, their relationship with home is a fraught one. Somewhere on the Internet there’s a listserv or private group blog called Cult Bros, where a group of Gen-Xers and Millennials who grew up in the Movement air their grievances. I’m not a Cult Bros member myself, but I can anticipate their conversations — they’d be familiar to anyone who grew up in a community defined by certain dogma, religious or otherwise. There’s the resentment of the years spent trying to be perfect little yogis, frustrations over growing up in what can be a very socially conservative environment, anger at the time and effort and money spent working toward the unattainable goal that is world peace with very little payoff. There’s questioning of the traditions we grew up with, the means to this impossible end — the pujas, the mantras, the /jai Guru Devs, /the Golden Domes, the yogic flying. Questioning all of the Hindu mythology that’s wrapped up this thing we were told was not a religion. Like anyone from anywhere, the Cult Bros are trying to come to terms with their home. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM *From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc image https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several
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Barry, you are always in conflict. On the one hand, you want to be the rebel, telling everyone who will listen, about how Lenz levitated and YOU SAW IT. On the other, you are a suck up to authority, denigrating yogic fliers (aka the black belt of meditation), because people on the street would find it absurd. I don't know if you are aware how incoherent your thinking is. Probably not. I sincerely hope that you get over it. Have you played with Maya today? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/30/2014 6:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. No, I'm being realistic, because at one point in my life I was as insane as the people in Fairfield who believe that by bouncing on their butts they are flying. But in my case this delusion only lasted for about a year. Lasted about a year? Maybe you could explain to us why your autobiography is still up on your Rama Lenz site: Anyway, if you're interested, I wrote some stuff about the fellow and what it was like to study with him in a book that's on the Web... - TurquoiseB Accessed on October 30, 2014 http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind I regained my sanity and left long before the TMO started claiming that by bouncing on my butt I could create world peace, which is actually a more troubling level of insanity than believing it could make them fly. I'm presenting on this forum (that was *created* to discuss alternative views of TM, BTW) a different point of view on the insanity TM dome goers are living with on a daily basis, because it appears they're not likely to ever get that point of view from within Fairfield itself. There is too much effort being expended by people like you to candy coat this insanity and try to present it as if it were normal. It isn't. It never was. It never will be. What it is is insanity. If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will. As written it is actually an important article in ethnography about the group of meditators having come to live in Fairfield, Iowa. For those of us who live here in FF the writing captures things that we all live with. Things that are very familiar. Writing like this is an important adjunct to journalism by outside writers or in scholarly papers written by people who have not lived it. This article is worth a bookmark, like that article that Donna Schill Cleveland should have one. These are important voices that should be cultivated for the perspective they have. turquoiseb wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What
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On 10/30/2014 05:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I remember the first day of my TMSP course when I got the first sutra and found out that it wasn't some enigmatic sanskrit term but the word friendliness. How pissed off was I? A lot. But I stayed and got the rest and practised them for ten years. You were looking for akarsha? :-D
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** One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the Movement: On 10/30/2014 7:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I actually think that the Cult Bros thang is healthy, and the fact that the author of this fluff piece ISN'T a member and doesn't seem to be doing any real examination of the insanity he grew up with strikes me as far less healthy. The very fact that he could refer to the made-up, non-existent Yogic Flying as the black belt of meditation indicates to me that he's never understood meditation, much less anything to do with black belts. /His fluff piece wasn't much different from your fluff piece about Rama on your web site. You even bragged about how Rama had a black belt in the martial arts and could levitate up off of a sofa. This is actually far less healthy than just being in a trance-induction state and still trying to write science reports. You can deal with the cognitive dissonance but it's going to be a lot more difficult dealing with your own insanity./ He's written a puff piece to make money, and pooh-pooh his own history growing up as if he's all adult now, and looks back on it as if it were just silly. My point is that it's a great deal MORE than silly -- it's insanity, on a mass scale. This guy has never really dealt with that. I have more respect for his bros in Cult Bros, who at least understand and acknowledge what they were part of. /Wake up, Barry - this is the Cult Bros./
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** Ethnography. Om no that first paragraph was really fine. It gave a lot of information to get going and you see it is an article where you the reader get to roll up your sleeves up to work with it. You're being way too cranky and hard-minded. On 10/30/2014 6:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: There is too much effort being expended by people like you to candy coat this insanity and try to present it as if it were normal. It isn't. It never was. It never will be. What it is is insanity. If you can admit that, you might become sane someday. If you can't, you probably never will... /You admit you were insane back then for over ten years, but you failed to explain why for another ten years you believed in the Rama cult of insanity. You must still be insane to think that anyone today is going to believe you witnessed hundreds of levitation events by Fred Lenz. How, that's insanity! Go figure./
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, which is just a load of bollocks about how light cotton fiber is. In English. That's the way it works. You, me and Xenu. I still wish that this guy had written a somewhat ballsier piece, dealing with the real meat of the cognitive dissonance that his more honest Cult Bro friends are dealing with. A better article would have been less fluffy and less Weren't we silly to believe this stuff? An honest article would be more real, more along the lines of,Weren't we absolutely INSANE to believe any of this stuff? This fellow's cult bro friends seem more advanced that he does to me. They are comfortable using the more precise C word to describe what it is they were part of. He isn't. He's still trying to pretend it was just silly. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Growing Up TM From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any further: I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged hopping. This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at random, and explaining to them, I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this? My bet is that you would get answers like, Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck with that... spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they didn't have to break into a run. See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how insane the things they believe are. For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you announce to them, Sorry...got to go...it's time for me to go fly now. Hint: That's insane. No one is flying. No one has EVER flown in *any* of the TM flying halls. And no one ever will. Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand dollars to learn how. Hint: That's insane. And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're saving the world instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus Christ. To these people I say, GET OVER IT. Wake the fuck up, take a look around at international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you actually believe that bouncing
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this is all about that adolescent mentality of worrying about what other people think
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You took the words out of my mouth (oops, bad analogy at the moment), Ann. I chanced upon a recent photo of b on-line, and I have it in me, less and less, to respond to, or comment on, his repetitious diatribes. Kinda like mugging an old man. Seriously. So, what was fun when I considered him a peer, isn't any longer. There are plenty of other things that catch my mind, so, on to them!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You took the words out of my mouth (oops, bad analogy at the moment), Ann. I chanced upon a recent photo of b on-line, and I have it in me, less and less, to respond to, or comment on, his repetitious diatribes. Kinda like mugging an old man. Seriously. So, what was fun when I considered him a peer, isn't any longer. There are plenty of other things that catch my mind, so, on to them!! Your mouth must look great but maybe not feel so good. I'm sure you're glad that dental appointment is over. And yes, I have lost the heart to read or respond to a majority of bawee's posts anymore. There is only so much that I can read time and time again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
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What I find rather funny, is that this kid's piece was a relatively gentle reflection on his childhood and youth. And he seems to have come to terms with what he felt may have been a dysfunctional upbringing, and has been able to put that dysfunctionality into perspective. But it appears to have driven Barry, absolutely bat shit crazy that the guy is not full of anger and resentment and lashing out at his parents and the TM organization. Barry evidently feels that the kid needs to be reeducated, or deprogrammed, or at the very least, get a good scolding. Barry cannot comprehend that one might be able to put things behind them and move on. Why would this be? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You took the words out of my mouth (oops, bad analogy at the moment), Ann. I chanced upon a recent photo of b on-line, and I have it in me, less and less, to respond to, or comment on, his repetitious diatribes. Kinda like mugging an old man. Seriously. So, what was fun when I considered him a peer, isn't any longer. There are plenty of other things that catch my mind, so, on to them!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Orwhat you are saying, is that he isn't reacting the way, I think he should be reacting. For most people who aren't obsessed with finding cult tendencies, his piece is just a reflection, a writing exercise of sorts, dealing with a piece of his growing up. Obviously, you miss this, because you are so invested in your own particular mindset, that you miss any nuance of what his purpose in writing this piece might be. And, of course we've seen many of examples of this, (missing nuance) on your part, especially over the past few month. perhaps coinciding with end of you technical writing gig at BB. Good luck with this Barry. Try to step back, and take in a bigger picture. The world really is bigger than the TMO and members of this forum. Steve, I'm sure you have something much better to do, like de-fleaing the cat, than responding to or even reading bawee's mind loops here. He only participates to hear himself talk and to see others respond to him because there are only two or three people who seem to like him and his life seems to consist of lonely trips to his drinking venues and back home again. I give you an A for effort and compassion here but I think your cat needs some attention. Don't you hear it meowing for you?
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On 10/29/2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: /This has got to be one of the most boring stories about growing up in Fairfield I have ever read. The only interesting part is realizing that you must dream about this stuff in your sleep. Go figure./ https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc image https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Preview by Yahoo
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I'm with you on that assessment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/29/2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This has got to be one of the most boring stories about growing up in Fairfield I have ever read. The only interesting part is realizing that you must dream about this stuff in your sleep. Go figure. https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm with you on that assessment. Actually, I enjoyed this little piece. I can remember those small children growing up on campus and maybe he was one of them. He tells a true tale, a story from his viewpoint. I didn't find it negative or unbalanced. It was just a quaint little account of his memories and his feelings about his experiences growing up in FF. I think much of it resonates with what I remember from my days there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/29/2014 9:47 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This has got to be one of the most boring stories about growing up in Fairfield I have ever read. The only interesting part is realizing that you must dream about this stuff in your sleep. Go figure. https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc https://medium.com/the-archipelago/growing-up-in-utopia-8102f58dfcbc Growing Up in Utopia When your family and friends want to save the world by meditating, you can sometimes feel out of place in small-town Iow… View on medium.com Preview by Yahoo
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Re I resorted to an old trick: Talk about the weather.: Gee, is this guy English? That's what we do. At the moment it's quite warm for October but it gets dark early . . . Re pork tenderloin sandwich: I like Yank food (burgers and what-have-you) but I'll draw the line at a pork tenderloin sandwich thank you. Boca burgers never made it across the Atlantic but sound more appetizing. Re There’s John Lennon signing jai guru deva in “Across the Universe,” drawing out what should be a silent a: Is that right? I know that Jai Guru Dev is the correct masculine form but Lennon went for the Deva variant - the feminine version - as it went better with the song. Good for him. In that case - ie, accepting that we're saying I give thanks to Guru Dev(a) or even victory to the greatness in you in the feminine form then the a should *not* be silent, no? (Don't spoil one of my favourite Beatles' songs!)
