Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
Yes, but how do you really feel? On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:53 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, I'm new to this forum, but I'm interested in this fascinating feud. Are you really serious about Never? Angela, if you check out his posts about us, I think you'll see pretty quickly that while he has a desperate need for others to believe he's not taking us seriously--maybe even for himself to believe it--it's a crock. That goes for anyone else who confronts him; it's not just us. Barry (Turq) goes to great lengths to pretend he's a carefree and happy-go-luck guy, but in fact he himself has terrible anger issues. He's desperately angry with himself but constantly takes it out on other people. Basically, at least in terms of what he posts (it's possible he's different in everyday life), he's a phony. There's a perfectly fine human being underneath all the armor, but for some reason, probably long ago, he was made to believe that person was unacceptable, and he's spent the rest of his life constructing a false persona to hide his real self. Such a tactic never really works, of course, and you see evidence of how dysfunctional it is in his hypocrisy and compulsive dishonesty. Disagreement and criticism terrify him because they both threaten his armor and validate his opinion of his real self as unacceptable. He's in an awful bind, and one has to feel sorry for him on some level, but he's so consistently viciously obnoxious it tends to overwhelm any compassion one might feel. One just wants him to drop the act and be authentic, and the only way to do that seems to be to keep pounding away at the armor in the hope that one day it'll just give way. That's a quick summary...
[FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
Hey Rick, suppose that I'm not reposting Judy, but instead am merely quoting what words of hers have impacted my mind and that I'm now reacting to it by replying? Suppose I quote her entire private email? Have I reposted her or quoted her? I challenge you to actually come up with the wording for the rule that would be Godel-bulletproof. Yeah, everyone here could intuitively know Judy and Edg have cooked up this Godel loop hole for getting around the 35 post rule, but you, Rick, will have to stop anyone from quoting anyone if you're going to form a rule that stops my quoting of Judy -- and this will limit the freedom of dialog. I think that Godel's loop hole is perfectly applicable here -- this is not merely a cleverness but a law of logic that any rule can have a loop hole by this quoting method of Godel. So I think you'll be hard pressed to sort out the illegal quoting from the legal quoting. In fact, Godel proved it. Better idea: How about some of that good old Amma love? How'zbout trusting Edg and Judy not to actually abuse this loop hole? Judy has been the premier pruner here and kept all of us on topic with a wickedly precise red pencil, and I do my highjinks, but neither of us is trying to crash the system, cuz, well, our hearts are as good as good can be donchaknow. Donchaknow? I mean, show me one example of Judy flaming for flaming's sake like we've all seen from the actual trolls here who are trying to pull chains and flooding the message board with one word derisive replies. And who here can say that Judy isn't actually improving Barry EVER SO SLOWLY? Who else loves Barry this much? Relentlessness is a very pure form of spirituality. I mean, wouldn't we all like to see Barry actually be able to go toe to toe on an issue without doing his typical, Oh fuck you, this conversation bores me and you're wrong. It took me so long to figure that out; I kept cutting him a break for his self-serving disappearing act. But no more. His defense of his mild form of predation was the last straw for me. When he harmed our community progress towards clarity by refusing to sort out the difference between degree and kind regarding this issue, it was simple cowardice -- not even a Mexican standoff. He may think that cheating at Monopoly by stealing from a another player's wad is not actual robbery, but even a child would know that a theft has occurred. Just so the ever-so-common use of the phrase hit that, is considered by Barry as a not indicative of a predatory intent, but everyone who's ever had a child knows drool when it's dripped. If he's unwilling to inspect the impact of minor sins upon his life, then who will want to have a conversation with him any more than one would hire an accountant who said, Oh, I don't care about exactitude -- if I get within a few bucks of it, hey, I'm done.??? But to look you in the eye here, Rick, I'm telling you that if Judy's got a big bucket of ice water to toss on another Barry delusion and she's out of posts, I'll help her drench his ingenuities. Not that she doesn't have the alias workaround or other methods, but just because she's swishing a glowing sharp sword and I'm happy give her a short route to additional posting privileges just to see her massive whacks hewing the smarmy crust that Barry calls armor. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's all this on loan crap? So, Judy's been getting loaned extra posts by Edg so that she can legally go over the 35+ posts per week rule? I let them get away with it last week but we're not going to keep doing that. What silliness! Why doesn't she just do what I've been doing and post under an alias ever since the rule came into effect? Why bother? You haven't been using up your quota as Shemp. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 9:42 PM
[FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
I have to give Edg credit for owning up to his real reasons for the loaner post idea. It's because he's crazy as a fuckin' loon, hopped up on anger, and obsessed with me. Those are Judy's reasons, too, but she just can't bring herself to admit it. What they don't seem to realize is that each of them could post this shit 200 times a week, and I would *still* laugh at them. I'm *never* going to take either of them seriously. And with every passing word, I'm bettin' that more people on Fairfield Life feel the same way... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, suppose that I'm not reposting Judy, but instead am merely quoting what words of hers have impacted my mind and that I'm now reacting to it by replying? Suppose I quote her entire private email? Have I reposted her or quoted her? I challenge you to actually come up with the wording for the rule that would be Godel-bulletproof. Yeah, everyone here could intuitively know Judy and Edg have cooked up this Godel loop hole for getting around the 35 post rule, but you, Rick, will have to stop anyone from quoting anyone if you're going to form a rule that stops my quoting of Judy -- and this will limit the freedom of dialog. I think that Godel's loop hole is perfectly applicable here -- this is not merely a cleverness but a law of logic that any rule can have a loop hole by this quoting method of Godel. So I think you'll be hard pressed to sort out the illegal quoting from the legal quoting. In fact, Godel proved it. Better idea: How about some of that good old Amma love? How'zbout trusting Edg and Judy not to actually abuse this loop hole? Judy has been the premier pruner here and kept all of us on topic with a wickedly precise red pencil, and I do my highjinks, but neither of us is trying to crash the system, cuz, well, our hearts are as good as good can be donchaknow. Donchaknow? I mean, show me one example of Judy flaming for flaming's sake like we've all seen from the actual trolls here who are trying to pull chains and flooding the message board with one word derisive replies. And who here can say that Judy isn't actually improving Barry EVER SO SLOWLY? Who else loves Barry this much? Relentlessness is a very pure form of spirituality. I mean, wouldn't we all like to see Barry actually be able to go toe to toe on an issue without doing his typical, Oh fuck you, this conversation bores me and you're wrong. It took me so long to figure that out; I kept cutting him a break for his self-serving disappearing act. But no more. His defense of his mild form of predation was the last straw for me. When he harmed our community progress towards clarity by refusing to sort out the difference between degree and kind regarding this issue, it was simple cowardice -- not even a Mexican standoff. He may think that cheating at Monopoly by stealing from a another player's wad is not actual robbery, but even a child would know that a theft has occurred. Just so the ever-so-common use of the phrase hit that, is considered by Barry as a not indicative of a predatory intent, but everyone who's ever had a child knows drool when it's dripped. If he's unwilling to inspect the impact of minor sins upon his life, then who will want to have a conversation with him any more than one would hire an accountant who said, Oh, I don't care about exactitude -- if I get within a few bucks of it, hey, I'm done.??? But to look you in the eye here, Rick, I'm telling you that if Judy's got a big bucket of ice water to toss on another Barry delusion and she's out of posts, I'll help her drench his ingenuities. Not that she doesn't have the alias workaround or other methods, but just because she's swishing a glowing sharp sword and I'm happy give her a short route to additional posting privileges just to see her massive whacks hewing the smarmy crust that Barry calls armor. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's all this on loan crap? So, Judy's been getting loaned extra posts by Edg so that she can legally go over the 35+ posts per week rule? I let them get away with it last week but we're not going to keep doing that. What silliness! Why doesn't she just do what I've been doing and post under an alias ever since the rule came into effect? Why bother? You haven't been using up your quota as Shemp. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: 11/3/2007 9:42 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
Turq, I'm new to this forum, but I'm interested in this fascinating feud. Are you really serious about Never? I mean are you willing to lock yourself into a position for all eternity on matters concerning one Edg and one Judy? I've no real feel as to who Judy is just yet, but Edg comes through as a genuine personality, and so do you. Which is why I'm talking to you. I don't talk to mindless words as a general rule, which is not to say that anyone's words in particular are mindless (I repeat this is no judgment on any one's posts in particular). Now, would either of you be willing to fill me in here as to what the origins in the deep dark past were that set this thing off? I see intelligent spit fire on both sides--which is why I love this feud so much, but I can't fathom the underlying assumptions in the wake of all the infinitely run-away forever implications. In other words, the discourse between you is an excellent means of achieving transcendental consciousness. Please help me out. a TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to give Edg credit for owning up to his real reasons for the loaner post idea. It's because he's crazy as a fuckin' loon, hopped up on anger, and obsessed with me. Those are Judy's reasons, too, but she just can't bring herself to admit it. What they don't seem to realize is that each of them could post this shit 200 times a week, and I would *still* laugh at them. I'm *never* going to take either of them seriously. And with every passing word, I'm bettin' that more people on Fairfield Life feel the same way... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, suppose that I'm not reposting Judy, but instead am merely quoting what words of hers have impacted my mind and that I'm now reacting to it by replying? Suppose I quote her entire private email? Have I reposted her or quoted her? I challenge you to actually come up with the wording for the rule that would be Godel-bulletproof. Yeah, everyone here could intuitively know Judy and Edg have cooked up this Godel loop hole for getting around the 35 post rule, but you, Rick, will have to stop anyone from quoting anyone if you're going to form a rule that stops my quoting of Judy -- and this will limit the freedom of dialog. I think that Godel's loop hole is perfectly applicable here -- this is not merely a cleverness but a law of logic that any rule can have a loop hole by this quoting method of Godel. So I think you'll be hard pressed to sort out the illegal quoting from the legal quoting. In fact, Godel proved it. Better idea: How about some of that good old Amma love? How'zbout trusting Edg and Judy not to actually abuse this loop hole? Judy has been the premier pruner here and kept all of us on topic with a wickedly precise red pencil, and I do my highjinks, but neither of us is trying to crash the system, cuz, well, our hearts are as good as good can be donchaknow. Donchaknow? I mean, show me one example of Judy flaming for flaming's sake like we've all seen from the actual trolls here who are trying to pull chains and flooding the message board with one word derisive replies. And who here can say that Judy isn't actually improving Barry EVER SO SLOWLY? Who else loves Barry this much? Relentlessness is a very pure form of spirituality. I mean, wouldn't we all like to see Barry actually be able to go toe to toe on an issue without doing his typical, Oh fuck you, this conversation bores me and you're wrong. It took me so long to figure that out; I kept cutting him a break for his self-serving disappearing act. But no more. His defense of his mild form of predation was the last straw for me. When he harmed our community progress towards clarity by refusing to sort out the difference between degree and kind regarding this issue, it was simple cowardice -- not even a Mexican standoff. He may think that cheating at Monopoly by stealing from a another player's wad is not actual robbery, but even a child would know that a theft has occurred. Just so the ever-so-common use of the phrase hit that, is considered by Barry as a not indicative of a predatory intent, but everyone who's ever had a child knows drool when it's dripped. If he's unwilling to inspect the impact of minor sins upon his life, then who will want to have a conversation with him any more than one would hire an accountant who said, Oh, I don't care about exactitude -- if I get within a few bucks of it, hey, I'm done.??? But to look you in the eye here, Rick, I'm telling you that if Judy's got a big bucket of ice water to toss on another Barry delusion and she's out of posts, I'll help her drench his ingenuities. Not that she doesn't have the alias workaround or other methods, but just because she's swishing
[FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, I'm new to this forum, but I'm interested in this fascinating feud. Are you really serious about Never? Angela, if you check out his posts about us, I think you'll see pretty quickly that while he has a desperate need for others to believe he's not taking us seriously--maybe even for himself to believe it--it's a crock. That goes for anyone else who confronts him; it's not just us. Barry (Turq) goes to great lengths to pretend he's a carefree and happy-go-luck guy, but in fact he himself has terrible anger issues. He's desperately angry with himself but constantly takes it out on other people. Basically, at least in terms of what he posts (it's possible he's different in everyday life), he's a phony. There's a perfectly fine human being underneath all the armor, but for some reason, probably long ago, he was made to believe that person was unacceptable, and he's spent the rest of his life constructing a false persona to hide his real self. Such a tactic never really works, of course, and you see evidence of how dysfunctional it is in his hypocrisy and compulsive dishonesty. Disagreement and criticism terrify him because they both threaten his armor and validate his opinion of his real self as unacceptable. He's in an awful bind, and one has to feel sorry for him on some level, but he's so consistently viciously obnoxious it tends to overwhelm any compassion one might feel. One just wants him to drop the act and be authentic, and the only way to do that seems to be to keep pounding away at the armor in the hope that one day it'll just give way. That's a quick summary...
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
The feud between Turq and Judy is a deep archetypical structure of creation. Damn, its probably in the veda someplace. Rig Veda 5th mandala, sukta 45:Said Ghandarva Judy, 'I despise thee like a mala encrusted goat turd.' Replied, Rishi Turq, 'May you you give birth to 1000 pointy-horned rakshasas'. --- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, I'm new to this forum, but I'm interested in this fascinating feud. Are you really serious about Never? I mean are you willing to lock yourself into a position for all eternity on matters concerning one Edg and one Judy? I've no real feel as to who Judy is just yet, but Edg comes through as a genuine personality, and so do you. Which is why I'm talking to you. I don't talk to mindless words as a general rule, which is not to say that anyone's words in particular are mindless (I repeat this is no judgment on any one's posts in particular). Now, would either of you be willing to fill me in here as to what the origins in the deep dark past were that set this thing off? I see intelligent spit fire on both sides--which is why I love this feud so much, but I can't fathom the underlying assumptions in the wake of all the infinitely run-away forever implications. In other words, the discourse between you is an excellent means of achieving transcendental consciousness. Please help me out. a TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to give Edg credit for owning up to his real reasons for the loaner post idea. It's because he's crazy as a fuckin' loon, hopped up on anger, and obsessed with me. Those are Judy's reasons, too, but she just can't bring herself to admit it. What they don't seem to realize is that each of them could post this shit 200 times a week, and I would *still* laugh at them. I'm *never* going to take either of them seriously. And with every passing word, I'm bettin' that more people on Fairfield Life feel the same way... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, suppose that I'm not reposting Judy, but instead am merely quoting what words of hers have impacted my mind and that I'm now reacting to it by replying? Suppose I quote her entire private email? Have I reposted her or quoted her? I challenge you to actually come up with the wording for the rule that would be Godel-bulletproof. Yeah, everyone here could intuitively know Judy and Edg have cooked up this Godel loop hole for getting around the 35 post rule, but you, Rick, will have to stop anyone from quoting anyone if you're going to form a rule that stops my quoting of Judy -- and this will limit the freedom of dialog. I think that Godel's loop hole is perfectly applicable here -- this is not merely a cleverness but a law of logic that any rule can have a loop hole by this quoting method of Godel. So I think you'll be hard pressed to sort out the illegal quoting from the legal quoting. In fact, Godel proved it. Better idea: How about some of that good old Amma love? How'zbout trusting Edg and Judy not to actually abuse this loop hole? Judy has been the premier pruner here and kept all of us on topic with a wickedly precise red pencil, and I do my highjinks, but neither of us is trying to crash the system, cuz, well, our hearts are as good as good can be donchaknow. Donchaknow? I mean, show me one example of Judy flaming for flaming's sake like we've all seen from the actual trolls here who are trying to pull chains and flooding the message board with one word derisive replies. And who here can say that Judy isn't actually improving Barry EVER SO SLOWLY? Who else loves Barry this much? Relentlessness is a very pure form of spirituality. I mean, wouldn't we all like to see Barry actually be able to go toe to toe on an issue without doing his typical, Oh fuck you, this conversation bores me and you're wrong. It took me so long to figure that out; I kept cutting him a break for his self-serving disappearing act. But no more. His defense of his mild form of predation was the last straw for me. When he harmed our community progress towards clarity by refusing to sort out the difference between degree and kind regarding this issue, it was simple cowardice -- not even a Mexican standoff. He may think that cheating at Monopoly by stealing from a another player's wad is not actual robbery, but even a child would know that a theft has occurred. Just so the ever-so-common use of the phrase hit that, is considered by Barry as a not indicative of a predatory intent, but everyone who's ever had a child knows drool when it's dripped. If he's unwilling to inspect the impact of minor sins upon his life, then who will want to have a
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote: Such a tactic never really works, of course, and you see evidence of how dysfunctional it is in his hypocrisy and compulsive dishonesty. Disagreement and criticism terrify him because they both threaten his armor and validate his opinion of his real self as unacceptable. He's in an awful bind, and one has to feel sorry for him on some level, but he's so consistently viciously obnoxious it tends to overwhelm any compassion one might feel. One just wants him to drop the act and be authentic, and the only way to do that seems to be to keep pounding away at the armor in the hope that one day it'll just give way. That's a quick summary... And now for the bad news... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
I am Swiss (by ancestry) and don't condone what could become a moderator's nightmare. :-P Duveyoung wrote: Yeah, everyone here could intuitively know Judy and Edg have cooked up this Godel loop hole for getting around the 35 post rule, but you, Rick, will have to stop anyone from quoting anyone if you're going to form a rule that stops my quoting of Judy -- and this will limit the freedom of dialog. I think that Godel's loop hole is perfectly applicable here -- this is not merely a cleverness but a law of logic that any rule can have a loop hole by this quoting method of Godel.
