[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evan...@... wrote: Judy's Native American name may indeed be splitting hairs ! Splitting Hairs is excellent. Almost Whedonesque. Although I think that Stands With Her Knickers In A Twist is a possible contender. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Perfect way to end my posting week, by pointing out that the *other* self-proclaimed feminist on this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis of her hairstyle*. Look up the word slattern. Note its synonyms: slut and prostitute. Note definitions such as: a pros- titute who attracts customers by walking the streets and a loose woman. This from the two feminists who suggested that me pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary- looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because of makeup was misogyny and hatred of women. The two feminists seem to feel that *they* are able to refer to *another woman* as a slattern FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HER HAIRCUT. That's not hatred of women. But pointing out that Sarah Palin has to wear a ton of makeup to look good on camera is. Go figure. Now, having set the stage for the meltdown that will follow today and the early part of next week, I shall again withdraw and allow the two unpersons to make my points for me. Have a nice rest of Friday folks...I'm off to Barcelona for the evening while they sit in their houses and plot their revenge. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising... again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, doncha think it's fascinating that a supposed feminist throws away several posts 1) picking a nit about another woman's unkempt appearance as if that somehow offended her, and 2) does so by suggesting that it is somehow inauthentic for a woman in any era to wear her hair the way she wants to? Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in mind would submit to what the society she lived in (*especially* other women who bitchily criticized her unkempt appearance) wanted from her, rather than express her own taste in hairstyles. :-) The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing Dances With Wolves. (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing these rants purely on what she was told about the film by someone else, as she's done in the past with Apocalypto and other films.) Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been forced to view the hairstyle of a slattern (her term) on another woman. Note that this supposed feminist wants the right to impose *her* ideas of a proper hairstyle on another woman. Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at feminist Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has the right to say them about another woman's? Some feminist. Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage* She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? No matter how many of my actual words you bold, Barry, they don't say anything even remotely like what you claim. This is your freakout, not mine. As to your assertion that it's somehow anti-feminist for women to go along with the fashions of the society they live in, here you are describing your attendance at a feminist conference: Going with them to this gala event involved me being one of two men in a room full of 600 staggeringly attractive wommen who were dressed to the nines I should give the Fashion Report. To Die For. First, we are talking about a room full of healthy, trim, worked-out, and stunningly beautiful women. Second, we are talking a room full of them given a chance to play dress-upThe fancy dresses and high heels and makeup...were just icing on the cake. guffaw FWIW, unlike your feminists, I decided about, oh, 25 years or so ago that I was tired of submitting to society's mandate that women wear heels and makeup and spend lots of time and money on their hair, and I haven't done so since.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
Good grief. This is, what, Barry's *third* off-the- rails rant now about McDonnell's hair? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Perfect way to end my posting week, by pointing out that the *other* self-proclaimed feminist on this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis of her hairstyle*. Neither of us characterized anybody that way. Barry's enraged because Raunchy nailed him about paying so much attention to me after having declared me an unperson whose posts he was never going to read. Look up the word slattern. Note its synonyms: slut and prostitute. Note definitions such as: a pros- titute who attracts customers by walking the streets and a loose woman. Or note the definition in my dictionary: slattern: an untidy slovenly woman; also : slut, prostitute The term slattern does not automatically imply prostitute or loose woman, except, apparently, in Barry's mind. And that tells us why Barry is so anxious for women to have messy hair, because he thinks it means he has a better chance of getting into their pants. This from the two feminists who suggested that me pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary- looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because of makeup was misogyny and hatred of women. No, neither of us ever said that was the reason. I may have suggested Palin Derangement Syndrome as the reason, however.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: I'm looking forward to the day when we are inclusive and have ceased being EXclusive. The state of the heart is relevant and not the state of hair. Perhaps it is my being an artist, but i like the abstractness of a bedhead. I may even wear sticks, feathers, flowers, or anything that gives me delight in my hair. You may wear your hair anyway you like. It's okay. Really. One day, we will look in our irisses/pupils and see the hearts of entities, and not be so mindful of the outside things. Meow, dear, looks like you've been misled by what Barry said about my posts. They didn't say the state of the hair was relevant to anything at all--*except* in the context of one particular movie, made 20 years ago and set in the 1860s, in which the choice of hairstyle for the lead actress exemplified in a racist attitude, one of the most pernicious of all exclusionary tendencies, in the hearts of the filmmakers. By me, you're more than welcome to wear sticks and feathers in your hair. Heck, you can even wear your *bed* in your hair for all I care. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
I'll have to grow my hair longer if I am to tuck my bed in it. Pass the biotin please! If the reference was to Dances with Wolves,I wondered myself , if she was raised in the Indian tradition, why the women would not braid it,as they did. Maybe they just left it wild and natural? Haven't seen Avatar. -M
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: I'll have to grow my hair longer if I am to tuck my bed in it. Pass the biotin please! As would Judy. One might suggest that her...uh... somewhat strong opinions about Mary McDonnell's hair are somewhat reflected in her own current choice of hairstyle. Check out the photo she posted to FFL. I've seen more fuzz on a peach. Presumably this is an acceptable feminist hairstyle. :-) If the reference was to Dances with Wolves,I wondered myself, if she was raised in the Indian tradition, why the women would not braid it,as they did. Maybe they just left it wild and natural? There is actually a scene in Dances With Wolves in which an Indian woman is helping Stands With A Fist comb her hair. Obviously, that is something she did regularly. Obviously, it didn't work for very long. Obviously, the Sioux women had zero problem with this. Haven't seen Avatar. I'm looking forward to Judy's Shemp review of it, in which she tells us what *she* saw in the film. I don't think I'm out of line in suggesting that the only memorable thing she might see in the film is that it's a story about the oppression of women by men. After all, don't all the Na'Vi, male and female, *submit* to the will of a...spit...man, just because he has a little charisma? Oh wait...that's the story of the TM movement, too. Maybe she'll see some other nefarious plot. The Na'Vi have really long hair and they wear it braided, so she can't go postal on the unkempt thang. What- ever the nitpick that allows her to dump on a cool vision is, I'm pretty sure that she'll come up with one, and that it'll be more entertaining than her normal stuff. I might even read it.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
Fifth or sixth unhinged Barryrant about McDonnell's hair? I've lost count. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirteen@ wrote: I'll have to grow my hair longer if I am to tuck my bed in it. Pass the biotin please! As would Judy. One might suggest that her...uh... somewhat strong opinions about Mary McDonnell's hair are somewhat reflected in her own current choice of hairstyle. Check out the photo she posted to FFL. I've seen more fuzz on a peach. You should see it right after I've had it cut! Presumably this is an acceptable feminist hairstyle. :-) Has nothing to do with feminism or McDonnell. Has to do only with my unwillingness to spend time fussing with my hair. This cut is wash-'n'wear.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip There is actually a scene in Dances With Wolves in which an Indian woman is helping Stands With A Fist comb her hair. Obviously, that is something she did regularly. Obviously, it didn't work for very long. Obviously, the Sioux women had zero problem with this. Hey, Kevin, you know, it really looks kind of strange for Mary's hair to be so unkempt when all the Indian women wear theirs neatly in braids or tied back, especially when her character is supposedly so loyal to the tribe. Well, I was thinking that her hair reflected how she'd lost the veneer of civilization because she was brought up by Indians. You mean, that she'd become wild and savage just like them? Er...I see what you mean. Hadn't thought of it that way. But we've shot too many scenes now to do them over. Wait, I have an idea. In the scene we're about to shoot where she's preparing for her wedding, we'll just have one of the Indian women helping her comb her hair. That way, if anybody accuses us of racism, we'll point to that scene to show she's making a stab at good grooming, and that the Indians don't hold her hair against her. That ought to work. Whaddya think? Well...for CYA purposes, maybe. Great, glad you agree. Appreciate your bringing this to my attention. Say, Mary...
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
Hairlarious! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip There is actually a scene in Dances With Wolves in which an Indian woman is helping Stands With A Fist comb her hair. Obviously, that is something she did regularly. Obviously, it didn't work for very long. Obviously, the Sioux women had zero problem with this. Hey, Kevin, you know, it really looks kind of strange for Mary's hair to be so unkempt when all the Indian women wear theirs neatly in braids or tied back, especially when her character is supposedly so loyal to the tribe. Well, I was thinking that her hair reflected how she'd lost the veneer of civilization because she was brought up by Indians. You mean, that she'd become wild and savage just like them? Er...I see what you mean. Hadn't thought of it that way. But we've shot too many scenes now to do them over. Wait, I have an idea. In the scene we're about to shoot where she's preparing for her wedding, we'll just have one of the Indian women helping her comb her hair. That way, if anybody accuses us of racism, we'll point to that scene to show she's making a stab at good grooming, and that the Indians don't hold her hair against her. That ought to work. Whaddya think? Well...for CYA purposes, maybe. Great, glad you agree. Appreciate your bringing this to my attention. Say, Mary...
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Just as a followup, doncha think it's fascinating that a supposed feminist throws away several posts 1) picking a nit about another woman's unkempt appearance as if that somehow offended her, and 2) does so by suggesting that it is somehow inauthentic for a woman in any era to wear her hair the way she wants to? Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in mind would submit to what the society she lived in (*especially* other women who bitchily criticized her unkempt appearance) wanted from her, rather than express her own taste in hairstyles. :-) The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing Dances With Wolves. (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing these rants purely on what she was told about the film by someone else, as she's done in the past with Apocalypto and other films.) Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been forced to view the hairstyle of a slattern (her term) on another woman. Note that this supposed feminist wants the right to impose *her* ideas of a proper hairstyle on another woman. Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at feminist Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has the right to say them about another woman's? Some feminist. Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage* She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have made her grow up never combing her hair and looking like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let her look like that. *That made it appear as though she never combed her hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the Indian women? Even if they couldn't bring themselves to have her wear braids, there was no other way they could find to style her hair so it looked like she took care of it? Loose and flowing could have worked, but there was no reason for it to be *matted and tangled*. Were they afraid she wasn't a good enough actress to put the character across convincingly as not uptight unless *her hair was a snarled, dirty- looking mess* to convey how unconstrained and spontaneous she was? Even at her wedding to Dunbar, when she's dressed to the nines in gorgeous festive Indian garb, *her hair looks like a rat's nest*.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising...again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myknrlmt1Y4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, doncha think it's fascinating that a supposed feminist throws away several posts 1) picking a nit about another woman's unkempt appearance as if that somehow offended her, and 2) does so by suggesting that it is somehow inauthentic for a woman in any era to wear her hair the way she wants to? Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in mind would submit to what the society she lived in (*especially* other women who bitchily criticized her unkempt appearance) wanted from her, rather than express her own taste in hairstyles. :-) The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing Dances With Wolves. (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing these rants purely on what she was told about the film by someone else, as she's done in the past with Apocalypto and other films.) Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been forced to view the hairstyle of a slattern (her term) on another woman. Note that this supposed feminist wants the right to impose *her* ideas of a proper hairstyle on another woman. Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at feminist Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has the right to say them about another woman's? Some feminist. Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage* She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have made her grow up never combing her hair and looking like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let her look like that. *That made it appear as though she never combed her hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the Indian women? Even if they couldn't bring themselves to have her wear braids, there was no other way they could find to style her hair so it looked like she took care of it? Loose and flowing could have worked, but there was no reason for it to be *matted and tangled*. Were they afraid she wasn't a good enough actress to put the character across convincingly as not uptight unless *her hair was a snarled, dirty- looking mess* to convey how unconstrained and spontaneous she was? Even at her wedding to Dunbar, when she's dressed to the nines in gorgeous festive Indian garb, *her hair looks like a rat's nest*.
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
Perfect way to end my posting week, by pointing out that the *other* self-proclaimed feminist on this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis of her hairstyle*. Look up the word slattern. Note its synonyms: slut and prostitute. Note definitions such as: a pros- titute who attracts customers by walking the streets and a loose woman. This from the two feminists who suggested that me pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary- looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because of makeup was misogyny and hatred of women. The two feminists seem to feel that *they* are able to refer to *another woman* as a slattern FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HER HAIRCUT. That's not hatred of women. But pointing out that Sarah Palin has to wear a ton of makeup to look good on camera is. Go figure. Now, having set the stage for the meltdown that will follow today and the early part of next week, I shall again withdraw and allow the two unpersons to make my points for me. Have a nice rest of Friday folks...I'm off to Barcelona for the evening while they sit in their houses and plot their revenge. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising... again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, doncha think it's fascinating that a supposed feminist throws away several posts 1) picking a nit about another woman's unkempt appearance as if that somehow offended her, and 2) does so by suggesting that it is somehow inauthentic for a woman in any era to wear her hair the way she wants to? Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in mind would submit to what the society she lived in (*especially* other women who bitchily criticized her unkempt appearance) wanted from her, rather than express her own taste in hairstyles. :-) The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing Dances With Wolves. (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing these rants purely on what she was told about the film by someone else, as she's done in the past with Apocalypto and other films.) Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been forced to view the hairstyle of a slattern (her term) on another woman. Note that this supposed feminist wants the right to impose *her* ideas of a proper hairstyle on another woman. Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at feminist Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has the right to say them about another woman's? Some feminist. Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage* She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have made her grow up never combing her hair and looking like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let her look like that. *That made it appear as though she never combed her hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the Indian women? Even if they couldn't bring themselves to have her wear braids, there was no other way they could find to style her hair so it looked like she took care of it? Loose and flowing could have worked, but there
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
I'm looking forward to the day when we are inclusive and have ceased being EXclusive. The state of the heart is relevant and not the state of hair. Perhaps it is my being an artist, but i like the abstractness of a bedhead. I may even wear sticks, feathers, flowers, or anything that gives me delight in my hair. You may wear your hair anyway you like. It's okay. Really. One day, we will look in our irisses/pupils and see the hearts of entities, and not be so mindful of the outside things. -to that day-*clink*(a toast) Daisy?(peace offering) You can put it in your hair. Love, (to all, the smooth and wiry haired) -M
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This from the two feminists who suggested that me pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary- looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because of makeup was misogyny and hatred of women. I'm afraid without makeup most Caucasian women look rather like -- as the saying goes at least hereabouts -- grey sparrows. :/ That might not be true in the case, say, Spanish women...
[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)
Judy's Native American name may indeed be splitting hairs ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Perfect way to end my posting week, by pointing out that the *other* self-proclaimed feminist on this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis of her hairstyle*. Look up the word slattern. Note its synonyms: slut and prostitute. Note definitions such as: a pros- titute who attracts customers by walking the streets and a loose woman. This from the two feminists who suggested that me pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary- looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because of makeup was misogyny and hatred of women. The two feminists seem to feel that *they* are able to refer to *another woman* as a slattern FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HER HAIRCUT. That's not hatred of women. But pointing out that Sarah Palin has to wear a ton of makeup to look good on camera is. Go figure. Now, having set the stage for the meltdown that will follow today and the early part of next week, I shall again withdraw and allow the two unpersons to make my points for me. Have a nice rest of Friday folks...I'm off to Barcelona for the evening while they sit in their houses and plot their revenge. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising... again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's compare my characterization of her freakout over unkempt hair to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just as a followup, doncha think it's fascinating that a supposed feminist throws away several posts 1) picking a nit about another woman's unkempt appearance as if that somehow offended her, and 2) does so by suggesting that it is somehow inauthentic for a woman in any era to wear her hair the way she wants to? Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in mind would submit to what the society she lived in (*especially* other women who bitchily criticized her unkempt appearance) wanted from her, rather than express her own taste in hairstyles. :-) The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing Dances With Wolves. (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing these rants purely on what she was told about the film by someone else, as she's done in the past with Apocalypto and other films.) Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been forced to view the hairstyle of a slattern (her term) on another woman. Note that this supposed feminist wants the right to impose *her* ideas of a proper hairstyle on another woman. Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at feminist Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has the right to say them about another woman's? Some feminist. Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage* She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have made her grow up never combing her hair and looking like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let her look like that. *That made it appear as though she never combed her hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the
