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Judy, what exactly do you think the purpose of the photo Roberrt originally posted was intended to do? I think it was intended to paint President Reagan as a Taliban sympathizer in cahoots with the Taliban and as a drug trafficer. When I asked for proof that anyone in that picture was Taliban, neither Robert nor Acidreflux could, they dodged the question. Secondly, Robert was inspiring Xenaphobia by painting a picture that anybody dressed *funny* and was a resistance fighter against the Soviet Union was a Taliban and drug trafficer not to be trusted. What exactly would I be accused of had I posted a photo of Obama meeting with a bunch of inner city blacks and titled it *Obama meeting with drug dealers and prostitutes in order to get his fair cut*? That is exactly what Robert was doing but instead of race he substituted Afghan culture. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 8:32:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: Still dodging the question, eh? How do you know anybody in the photo of Reagan meeting Afghan Mujaheddin were Taliban or belonged to any other group? See response to your last point below. Basically, it's a distinction without a difference. Taliban never driven out of Afghanistan? Tell that to Mullah Omar and his government, tens of thousands of Afghani refugees living in Pakistan's tribal regions and Obama Bin Laden. Uh, some were driven out, a lot were not. They are radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. Sorry, but it sounds like you are equating all Mujaheddin as radical Muslims on a level with the Taliban. Point is, back then we didn't bother to make such fine distinctions. Anybody who was fighting the Russkies was A-OK with us. To paraphrase somebody-or- other, they may have been sons-of-bitches, but they were *our* sons- of-bitches. I doubt you'll find anything from that era approving of the mujahidin in general but singling out the Taliban for special condemnation. We really didn't care. By the same token, however, it's a little disingenuous to claim Reagan *approved* of the Taliban qua Taliban. What he approved of was hostility to the Russians; other qualities were unimportant. Don't they call that *painting with a broad brush*, xenaphobic? No. From Mr. Dictionary: xenophobia-- fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Judy, what exactly do you think the purpose of the photo Roberrt originally posted was intended to do? I think it was intended to paint President Reagan as a Taliban sympathizer in cahoots with the Taliban and as a drug trafficer. Mike, did you read my post? I explicitly said: By the same token, however, it's a little disingenuous to claim Reagan *approved* of the Taliban qua Taliban. What he approved of was hostility to the Russians; other qualities were unimportant. When I asked for proof that anyone in that picture was Taliban, neither Robert nor Acidreflux could, they dodged the question. See above. It appears to me that John was saying it didn't matter who was in that picture. The larger point was that Reagan supported all the Afghan freedom fighters, and that included the Taliban. My point was that it's accurate but misleading to say Reagan supported the Taliban as if he singled them out for support; but it's flat-out wrong to say he didn't support them at all. Secondly, Robert was inspiring Xenaphobia by painting a picture that anybody dressed *funny* and was a resistance fighter against the Soviet Union was a Taliban and drug trafficer not to be trusted. You asked if xenophobia meant painting with a broad brush. At most, xenophobia is one of many different forms of painting with a broad brush. One might say that Reagan was painting with a broad brush in that he didn't make any distinctions between the various factions of freedom fighters in Afghanistan; they were all OK with him because they were fighting the Russians. But in his case, that wouldn't be xenophobia because his painting was positive rather than negative. In other words: You can paint with a broad brush without being xenophobic. I'll leave you to fight it out with Robert as to whether his painting was xenophobic.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Judy, what exactly do you think the purpose of the photo Robert originally posted was intended to do? Just for the record, I did not post the picture of Mr.Reagan... R.G.
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If FairfieldLife's very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban. The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds ...xenophbic. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. The Southern redneck needs a good history review: Fisking the War on Terror by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded freedom fighters, giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a biblical checklist for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the Christian political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (freedom fighters). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the
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So, the CIA's main business is to keep the drugs flowing so they can make money, but not to keep blacks down. Robert a *real* liberal (progressive) would recognize the CIA not only sees to it that blacks are kept down on drugs but are also infected with CIA engineered HIV, jees, you really do need to go to church more often or atleast subscribe to Rev Wrights audio tapes. From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 9:10:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. So Robert, do you go to Reverend Wrights church? I mean if the CIA is in control of Afghan Opium it must be to keep our *uppidy* negros down, doncha think? The U.S. left the Northern Alliance, hanging, and their main leader was assassinated. .. I am not sure what you mean by uppity negros, other than it shows your prejudice... Most of the Opium, from Afghanistan, will be mostly traveling to the addicts in Europe...although, I am sure some will make it to the United States... The Republican War Machine, like money to come in steadily, on commodities, that people need, like oil...when you run out of gas, you don't have a choice, but to give more money to the Texas/Saudi Connection.. .right? When you have people addicted to Heroin, they will be sure to get you the money, for the drug, any way they can...the Republicans like that... That is why they are fighting so hard to keep the medical system the same...so, they can get their cut... I know for a fact, that the CIA's main business, is to keep the drugs flowing... They don't want to legalize marijuana, because, it's too easy to grow, and they will lose business... Sorry if this blows your image of what really goes on... R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: If FairfieldLife's very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban. The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. News Flash for Southern Man: The Taliban were never driven out of Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance or anybody else. Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds ...xenophbic. Making a distorted, false suggestion like that confirms that don't have a clue what you're talking about. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. The Southern redneck needs a good history review: Fisking the War on Terror by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded freedom fighters, giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a biblical checklist for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the Christian political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (freedom fighters). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like
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Still dodging the question, eh? How do you know anybody in the photo of Reagan meeting Afghan Mujaheddin were Taliban or belonged to any other group? Taliban never driven out of Afghanistan? Tell that to Mullah Omar and his government, tens of thousands of Afghani refugees living in Pakistan's tribal regions and Obama Bin Laden. They are radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. Sorry, but it sounds like you are equating all Mujaheddin as radical Muslims on a level with the Taliban. Don't they call that *painting with a broad brush*, xenaphobic? From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 7:33:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: If FairfieldLife' s very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban. The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. News Flash for Southern Man: The Taliban were never driven out of Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance or anybody else. Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds ...xenophbic. Making a distorted, false suggestion like that confirms that don't have a clue what you're talking about. _ _ __ From: do.rflex do.rf...@.. . To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. The Southern redneck needs a good history review: Fisking the War on Terror by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded freedom fighters, giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a biblical checklist for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the Christian political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Still dodging the question, eh? How do you know anybody in the photo of Reagan meeting Afghan Mujaheddin were Taliban or belonged to any other group? See response to your last point below. Basically, it's a distinction without a difference. Taliban never driven out of Afghanistan? Tell that to Mullah Omar and his government, tens of thousands of Afghani refugees living in Pakistan's tribal regions and Obama Bin Laden. Uh, some were driven out, a lot were not. They are radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. Sorry, but it sounds like you are equating all Mujaheddin as radical Muslims on a level with the Taliban. Point is, back then we didn't bother to make such fine distinctions. Anybody who was fighting the Russkies was A-OK with us. To paraphrase somebody-or-other, they may have been sons-of-bitches, but they were *our* sons- of-bitches. I doubt you'll find anything from that era approving of the mujahidin in general but singling out the Taliban for special condemnation. We really didn't care. By the same token, however, it's a little disingenuous to claim Reagan *approved* of the Taliban qua Taliban. What he approved of was hostility to the Russians; other qualities were unimportant. Don't they call that *painting with a broad brush*, xenaphobic? No. From Mr. Dictionary: xenophobia--fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Still dodging the question, eh? How do you know anybody in the photo of Reagan meeting Afghan Mujaheddin were Taliban or belonged to any other group? You're not paying attention, fella. The Taliban are/were a faction of the radical Muslim Mujahidin. Taliban never driven out of Afghanistan? Tell that to Mullah Omar and his government, tens of thousands of Afghani refugees living in Pakistan's tribal regions and Obama Bin Laden. The Taliban is today classified by security analysts as an alternative government in Afghanistan. It operates fifteen Sharia law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law courts in the country's southern provinces handling civil and commercial cases and collects taxes on harvests in farming areas. Reflecting its persistent power to intimidate the populace, the Taliban implemented one of the strictest interpretation[s] of Sharia law ever seen in the Muslim world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world , yet still occasionally updates its code of conduct.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-10 In mid-2009, it established an ombudsman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman office in northern Kandahar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar , which has been described as a direct challenge to the ISAF [International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban = = Taliban strength in Afghanistan nears military proportionMcClatchy - Wed Oct 14, 2009 WASHINGTON -- A recent U.S. intelligence assessment has raised the estimated number of full-time Taliban -led insurgents fighting in Afghanistan to at least 25,000, underscoring how the crisis has worsened even as the U.S. and its allies have beefed up their military forces, a U.S. official said Thursday. The U.S. official, who requested anonymity because the assessment is classified, said the estimate represented an increase of at least 5,000 fighters, or 25 percent, over what an estimate found last year. http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20091015/wl_mcclatchy/450 They are radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. Sorry, but it sounds like you are equating all Mujaheddin as radical Muslims on a level with the Taliban. Now the Southern Man makes up stuff. Never did I equate the radical Muslim Mujahidin on the same level with the Taliban. All I did was state that the Taliban was a faction of the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The KKK, it could be said, is a faction of the Confederate loving South. That doesn't mean that all Southerners are members of the KKK. They certainly aren't. What's with your bullshit, Dixon? Don't they call that *painting with a broad brush*, xenaphobic? There's nothing xenophobic about reporting the facts, Southern Man. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 7:33:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: If FairfieldLife' s very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban. The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. News Flash for Southern Man: The Taliban were never driven out of Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance or anybody else. Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds ...xenophbic. Making a distorted, false suggestion like that confirms that don't have a clue what you're talking about. _ _ __ From: do.rflex do.rflex@ . To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. The Southern redneck needs a good history review: Fisking the War on Terror by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: So, the CIA's main business is to keep the drugs flowing so they can make money, but not to keep blacks down. (snip) I'm not sure, who they are trying to keep 'Down'... I think they are an equal opportunity organization. Their their primary interest is Money and Control(In God We Trust!)... If they are attempting to keep the 'Blacks' down, they aren't doing such a good job, since we miraculously have a black President... I don't think they care anything, for anybody, other than to keep power at all costs... You notice what just happened in Afghanistan...status quo..all the way. I first learned of this, through a friend, in Philly, who claimed he made a million dollars, flying heroin in from Thailand, with CIA clearance, in the 1980's... He had no reason to make up such a story... He also told me, that the money he made, was 'Dirty Money'... And when he decided to 'Clean up his Life'... He had to go through and spend all the dirty money, and start over... I remember Maharishi saying, that the way money is earned, affects it's karma... So, all the money involved with drugs, weapons sales, and the other Billions, have bad karma attached to it... R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Yeah, those Afghanis were s much better off under Mullah Omar and the Taliban and so were we... Ronald Reagan seemed to think so. Here Saint Ronny hosts the Taliban at the White House. Reagan chats with the Taliban in the White House in 1983 [reagan-taliban399.jpg] http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/reagan-taliban399.jpg those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end... as Willytex would say, don't you just hate America for not making everything pertfect in the world! From: Robert babajii...@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:39:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!'  'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs'  By Dave Lindorff Next time you see a junkie sprawled at the curb in the downtown of your nearest city, or read about someone who died of a heroin overdose, just imagine a big yellow sign posted next to him or her saying: âYour Federal Tax Dollars at Work.â Kudos to the New York Times, and to reporters Dexter Filkins, Mark Mazzetti and James Risen, for their lead article today reporting that Ahmed Wali Karzai, brother of Afghanistan' s stunningly corrupt President Hamid Karzai, a leading drug lord in the world's major opium-producing nation, has for eight years been on the CIA payroll. Okay, the article was lacking much historical perspective (more on that later), and the dead hand of top editors was evident in the overly cautious tone (I loved the third paragraph, which stated that âThe financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raises significant questions about America's war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House.â Well, duh! It should be raising questions about why we are even in Afghanistan, about who should be going to jail at the CIA, and about how can the government explain this to the over 1000 soldiers and Marines who have died supposedly helping to build a new Afghanistan) . But that said, the newspaper that helped cheerlead us into the pointless and criminal Iraq invasion in 2003, and that prevented journalist Risen from running his exposé of the Bush/Cheney administration' s massive warrantless National Security Agency electronic spying operation until after the 2004 presidential election, this time gave a critically important story full timely play, and even, appropriately, included a teaser in the same front-page story about October being the most deadly month yet for the US in Afghanistan. What the article didn't mention at all is that there is a clear historical pattern here. During the Vietnam War, the CIA, and its Air America airline front-company, were neck deep in the Southeast Asian heroin trade. At the time, it was Southeast Asia, not Afghanistan, that was the leading producer and exporter of opium, mostly to the US, where there was a resulting heroin epidemic. A decade later, in the 1980s, during the Reagan administration, as the late investigative journalist Gary Webb so brilliantly documented first in a series titled âDark Allianceâ in the San Jose Mercury newspaper, and later in a book by that same name, the CIA was deeply involved in the development of and smuggling of cocaine into the US, which was soon engulfed in a crack cocaine epidemicâone that continues to destroy African American and other poor communities across the country. (The Times' role here was sordidâit and other leading papers, including the Washington Post and Los Angeles Timesâdid despicable hit pieces on Webb shamelessly trashing his work and his career, and ultimately driving him to suicide, though his facts have held up.) In this case, Webb showed that the Agency was actually using the drugs as a way to fund arms, which it could use its own planes to ferry down to the Contra forces it was backing to subvert the Sandinista government in Nicaragua at a time Congress had barred the US from supporting the Contras. And now we have Afghanistan, once a sleepy backwater of the world with little connection to drugs (the Taliban, before their overthrow by US forces in 20001, had, according to the UN, virtually eliminated opium production there), but now responsible for as much as 80 percent of the world's opium productionâthis at a time that the US effectively finances and runs the place, with an occupying army that, together with Afghan government forces that it controls, outnumbers the Taliban 12-1 according to a recent AP story. The real story here is that where the US goes, the drug trade soon follows, and the leading role in developing and nurturing that trade appears to be played by the Central Intelligence Agency. Your tax dollars at work. The issue at this point should not be how many troops the US should add to its total in Afghanistan. It shouldn't even be over whether the US should up
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Yeah, those Afghanis were s much better off under Mullah Omar and the Taliban and so were we... Ronald Reagan seemed to think so. Here Saint Ronny hosts the Taliban at the White House. Reagan chats with the Taliban in the White House in 1983 (snip) Reagan and his boys, used the Taliban, when it was in their interest, to fight the 'Soviets'... When the Taliban, did away with the Opium Crops, that was not in their interests, as the CIA, needs to drug money... So, that is the real reason, for this whole thing.. Drug money... It's only too obvious... Why else would they be so interested in Afghanistan? To free the people? No it's all about moneyand they will do anything to get their cut... They are MAFIA! R.G.
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So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. So Robert, do you go to Reverend Wrights church? I mean if the CIA is in control of Afghan Opium it must be to keep our *uppidy* negros down, doncha think? From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:10:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Yeah, those Afghanis were s much better off under Mullah Omar and the Taliban and so were we... Ronald Reagan seemed to think so. Here Saint Ronny hosts the Taliban at the White House. Reagan chats with the Taliban in the White House in 1983 (snip) Reagan and his boys, used the Taliban, when it was in their interest, to fight the 'Soviets'... When the Taliban, did away with the Opium Crops, that was not in their interests, as the CIA, needs to drug money... So, that is the real reason, for this whole thing.. Drug money... It's only too obvious... Why else would they be so interested in Afghanistan? To free the people? No it's all about moneyand they will do anything to get their cut... They are MAFIA! R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. The Southern redneck needs a good history review: Fisking the War on Terror by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Ejrcole/qaeda/fahdreagan.htm to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded freedom fighters, giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a biblical checklist for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the Christian political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (freedom fighters). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends. On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. So Robert, do you go to Reverend Wrights church? I mean if the CIA is in control of Afghan Opium it must be to keep our *uppidy* negros down, doncha think? The U.S. left the Northern Alliance, hanging, and their main leader was assassinated... I am not sure what you mean by uppity negros, other than it shows your prejudice... Most of the Opium, from Afghanistan, will be mostly traveling to the addicts in Europe...although, I am sure some will make it to the United States... The Republican War Machine, like money to come in steadily, on commodities, that people need, like oil...when you run out of gas, you don't have a choice, but to give more money to the Texas/Saudi Connection...right? When you have people addicted to Heroin, they will be sure to get you the money, for the drug, any way they can...the Republicans like that... That is why they are fighting so hard to keep the medical system the same...so, they can get their cut... I know for a fact, that the CIA's main business, is to keep the drugs flowing... They don't want to legalize marijuana, because, it's too easy to grow, and they will lose business... Sorry if this blows your image of what really goes on... R.G.
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(snip) To make it real simple for the simple folk, here...it goes something like this... The idea, is to get control over every possible situation, in the world, so 'We come out on Top'... Whether, it's control of oil, drugs, medicine, prescription drugs, guns, nukes, subs, fighter jets, financial instruments, everything that relates to power and money... Not a whole lot different, than the Romans, in their day, or the the European Powers, in their day... The thing that really bothers me about it, is that they hide it all behind the word, 'Christianity'... I know how evil they are, you know how evil they are... So, hiding behind the word, 'Christian' really bothers me...as it is the biggest LIE of All... There is nothing in their crazed lust for power at all costs, that relate anything, or anywhere to Jesus' teaching... The use people, as they use everything else... They are murderers, and have lost their souls, their conscious, many, many eons ago... R.G.
