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[FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  In my experience this is really good market analysis. I think you
guys really care.
  -Buck

Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone on
record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
FFL's next stalking victim.  :-)

But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's whole
marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just can't
wait to become Just Like Them.

All those unhappy people out there in the world want
nothing more than to evolve to the level in which they
spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
for the privilege. Yeah, right.  :-)

That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who *might*
be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the domes
of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day so they
can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
sleep together I mean use the flying time to fall asleep,
not sleep together in the sense of gettin' it on with your
cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of their
hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
of a chance of being able to bring more people to meditation
any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking corpse
of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a parade
of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch of
Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a discrete,
well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good health),
Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself). Then
come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of self-
importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is going
to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be just
like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need the money
to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
enlightenment.

Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to your lifestyle
or your beliefs required. You practice TM not for the time
spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to spend
your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and productive.
That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
60s were a lie, doesn't it?

For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug to life
as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by the
standards that most people would use to measure one. And
now they're like drug pushers on a school playground (literally)
trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try it...
you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special price,
the first one's free.

I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by cultists
whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
happen.


   turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
   sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
   I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
   Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
   and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
   peas too (-:

  My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
  cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many
(including
  some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing
in
  a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a
day
  and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
  Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to
  butt-bounce and spend that much time away from their real life, too.

  I'm merely pointing out that this is an assumption

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Share Long

methinks the laddy doth protest too much!





On Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:09 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  In my experience this is really good market analysis. I think you
guys really care.
  -Buck

Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone on
record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
FFL's next stalking victim.  :-)

But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's whole
marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just can't
wait to become Just Like Them.

All those unhappy people out there in the world want
nothing more than to evolve to the level in which they
spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
for the privilege. Yeah, right.  :-)

That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who *might*
be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the domes
of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day so they
can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
sleep together I mean use the flying time to fall asleep,
not sleep together in the sense of gettin' it on with your
cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of their
hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
of a chance of being able to bring more people to meditation
any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking corpse
of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a parade
of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch of
Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a discrete,
well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good health),
Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself). Then
come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of self-
importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is going
to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be just
like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need the money
to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
enlightenment.

Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to your lifestyle
or your beliefs required. You practice TM not for the time
spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to spend
your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and productive.
That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
60s were a lie, doesn't it?

For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug to life
as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by the
standards that most people would use to measure one. And
now they're like drug pushers on a school playground (literally)
trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try it...
you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special price,
the first one's free.

I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by cultists
whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
happen.

   turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
   sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
   I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
   Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
   and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
   peas too (-:

  My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
  cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many
(including
  some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing
in
  a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a
day
  and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
  Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Michael Jackson

Now how can Big Bopper Bevan not be a raja? Hell, he's the damn prime minister 
of the global country of hucksterism, he wears the frock and the tiara, how can 
he not be a raja?

On Sat, 10/26/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target 
audience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, October 26, 2013, 8:09 AM

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

   In my experience this is really good market analysis.
 I think you

 guys really care.

   -Buck

 Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare

 to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone
 on

 record as saying that the analyses you think are good are

 bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become

 FFL's next stalking victim.  :-)

 But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's
 whole

 marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance

 fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just
 can't

 wait to become Just Like Them.

 All those unhappy people out there in the world want

 nothing more than to evolve to the level in
 which they

 spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing

 around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people

 Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars

 for the privilege. Yeah, right.  :-)

 That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who
 *might*

 be in the market for a simple technique that could improve

 their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more

 productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a

 technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered

 on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the
 domes

 of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day
 so they

 can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by

 sleep together I mean use the flying
 time to fall asleep,

 not sleep together in the sense of gettin'
 it on with your

 cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there

 isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of
 their

 hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

 You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost

 of a chance of being able to bring more people to
 meditation

 any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking
 corpse

 of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a
 parade

 of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch
 of

 Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a
 discrete,

 well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by

 their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved

 enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-

 Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good
 health),

 Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a

 crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-

 thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself).
 Then

 come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of
 self-

 importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,

 all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

 Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is
 going

 to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be
 just

 like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need
 the money

 to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the

 Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of

 enlightenment.

 Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to
 your lifestyle

 or your beliefs required. You practice TM not
 for the time

 spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to
 spend

 your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and
 productive.

 That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

 Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to

 become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of

 four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes

 you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the

 60s were a lie, doesn't it?

 For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug
 to life

 as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by
 the

 standards that most people would use to measure one. And

 now they're like drug pushers on a school playground
 (literally)

 trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try
 it...

 you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special
 price,

 the first one's free.

 I think that most people are going to perceive this market-

 ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by
 cultists

 whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are

 becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with

 new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna

 happen.

turq, I'm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-26 Thread Richard J. Williams


MMY and the TMO can't compare to all your life accomplishments, Barry. LoL!

Let's see, you've spent the major part of your adult life in cults and 
given thousands of dollars to at least two cults we know of. And, what 
have you got to show for it? A job that sucks in a town that sucks 
making a few dollars so you can buy coffee at a Paris cafe and write 
comments to post to spiritual groups on the internet. Very impressive! 
Did I leave anything out? LoL!


On 10/26/2013 3:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 In my experience this is really good market analysis. I think you
guys really care.
 -Buck

Careful, Buck. You *know* what happens to those who dare
to disagree with Ms. Authority, especially if she's gone on
record as saying that the analyses you think are good are
bad, and STOOOPID. Keep this up and you'll become
FFL's next stalking victim. :-)

But yeah, I think the analysis is spot-on. The TMO's whole
marketing strategy is based on a cultist self-importance
fantasy -- that the world is filled with people who just can't
wait to become Just Like Them.

All those unhappy people out there in the world want
nothing more than to evolve to the level in which they
spend four hours a day sitting and grunting and bouncing
around on slabs of foam in a big room full of other people
Just Like Them. Having paid several thousand dollars
for the privilege. Yeah, right. :-)

That's a cult fantasy. The world is full of people who *might*
be in the market for a simple technique that could improve
their lives, and allow them to enjoy them more and be more
productive in them. They are *not* in the market for a
technique that *eats* their lives and renders them centered
on traveling across town like the Eloi marching to the domes
of the Morlocks in The Time Machine twice a day so they
can sit and grunt and bounce and sleep together. And by
sleep together I mean use the flying time to fall asleep,
not sleep together in the sense of gettin' it on with your
cult buddies. There *might* be a market for that; there
isn't one for convincing people to spend thousands of their
hard-earned dollars to become a classic cultist.

You know my position. I don't think the TMO has a ghost
of a chance of being able to bring more people to meditation
any more, because it drags along behind it the stinking corpse
of its own bad history and bad reputation. It's like a parade
of losers -- in the front is da King, followed by a bunch of
Raja-dweebs in their robes and crowns, followed at a discrete,
well-mannered, and above all *appropriate* distance by
their own wives, the Rajinis, who after all are not evolved
enough to walk beside their husbands. Then come the non-
Raja-dweebs like Bevan (a towering zeppelin of good health),
Hagelin (once considered a scientist and now considered a
crackpot), and David Lynch (accurately considered some-
thing of a pervert and the essence of gullibility itself). Then
come all the hangers-on still clinging to the ideas of self-
importance they were brainwashed with by Maharishi,
all chanting, Come to the domes. Join us.

Yeah, right. That's gonna happen. John Q. Public is going
to look at these nutjobs and think, Wow...I want to be just
like them. Honey, sell the cars...we're going to need the money
to pay for our TM-Sidhis courses, so we can go join in the
Cosmic Buttbouncing with these other paragons of
enlightenment.

Twenty minutes twice a day. No change to your lifestyle
or your beliefs required. You practice TM not for the time
spent in meditation but because of how it enables you to spend
your time *not* in meditation more fruitful and productive.
That's the way that TM *used* to be marketed.

Look at the parade of clowns trying to persuade people to
become Just Like Them and *give up their lives* in favor of
four or more hours a day of mass butt-bouncing. Kinda makes
you think that the original TM marketing phrases from the
60s were a lie, doesn't it?

For the clown parade, TM became a gateway drug to life
as a cultist, not to a better and more productive life by the
standards that most people would use to measure one. And
now they're like drug pushers on a school playground (literally)
trying to entice young, naive students to try TM. Try it...
you'll like it. If you take advantage of the DLF special price,
the first one's free.

I think that most people are going to perceive this market-
ing approach as what it is -- a fraud, perpetrated by cultists
whose numbers are dwindling and dying off, and who are
becoming increasingly desperate to swell their ranks with
new suckers, just like them. Not gonna work. Not gonna
happen.

  turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
  sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
  I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
  Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
  and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
  peas too (-:

 My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-24 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 Meanwhile, those who claim to have sussed out Barry's formula
 have *demonstrated* their compulsive reactivity and *their*
 shoot the messenger formula in at least 17 get Barry posts.
 All while trying to defend the cult they're part of or still feel
 some allegiance to.
 
 Sure is good to know they're so smart as not to fall for a formula,
 eh? :-) :-) :-)
 

 No one is falling for anything unless it is you that continues to fall for the 
illusion that anyone is 'reacting', shooting the messenger (what messenger is 
that anyway?), are members of any cult let alone defending it. By the way, 
what are you doing reading my posts and responding to them? Are you hoping to 
see that I had another dream about you, this time with your wiener showing?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  What really awes me about Barry's Formula is the projection. You will
 almost
  always find at least one instance in a given rant of his scornfully
 accusing
  others of something he frequently does himself--and often, as in this
 case,
  in the same post in which he makes the accusation.
 
  I have never seen anybody else do this anywhere near so blatantly,
 nor so
  completely obliviously. It speaks of a near-total absence of
 self-knowledge,
  which is quite amazing for someone who has supposedly been on a
  spiritual path (or nonpath) for almost 50 years.
 
  Ann wrote:
 
   Barry's formula:
  
   1) Write some screed peppered with untruths, exaggerations,
 illogical conclusions and
   irrelevant factoids.
  
   2) Put it out there and to see what happens knowing or not knowing
 how bogus or insulting or
   just plain repetitive it is.
  
   3) Act like you knew exactly what was going to happen as a result
 (somehow, in the dustier
   regions of your brain realizing others with a modicum of sense and
 rationality feel it incumbent
   to address the array of idiocy in your posts) and drag out the
 usual suspects in the form of
   analysis of what the responders were reacting to.
  
   4) Pat yourself on the back for having gotten us all with your
 carefully laid trap.
  
   5) Pour yourself another beer while oogling the happy, romantic
 couples at the next table and
   imagining that you too could be one of them - if only you weren't
 so busy keeping the cretins at
   FFL in line.
 
  I wrote:
  Note that it was Judy who addressed Barry's message, and Barry who
 tried to shoot her for doing so in order to ignore her message. And he's
 utterly oblivious to the blatant projection.
 
 
  Barry wrote:
  (snip)
   This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
   the message.
  
   It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
   pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.
 
 
 
  Actually it's known as having fun puncturing Barry's incompetent
  attempts at get the TMO analysis and his hugely inflated ego.
 
   You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
   become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
   phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
   messenger routine. :-)
 
 
  O, got 'im. (Barry often touts the ability to laugh at oneself,
 but
  he couldn't do it if you put a gun to his head.)
 
   It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
   pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
   and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
   reactivity.
 
  Says Barry, having a tantrum of reactivity--otherwise known as
  Bad Behavior--because his not-very-bright thoughts were shown
  to be Bad Ideas.
 
   Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.
  
   It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
   I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate. :-)
 
 
  Uh-huh. He really believes this, folks.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-24 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Ever watch the show, Extras? You are a ringer for the Ricky Gervais 
character:

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ci-N-GT88 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ci-N-GT88

 

 Ricky Gervais - brilliant! Funny, funny man.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Meanwhile, those who claim to have sussed out Barry's formula
 have *demonstrated* their compulsive reactivity and *their*
 shoot the messenger formula in at least 17 get Barry posts.
 All while trying to defend the cult they're part of or still feel
 some allegiance to.
 
 Sure is good to know they're so smart as not to fall for a formula,
 eh? :-) :-) :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  What really awes me about Barry's Formula is the projection. You will
 almost
  always find at least one instance in a given rant of his scornfully
 accusing
  others of something he frequently does himself--and often, as in this
 case,
  in the same post in which he makes the accusation.
 
  I have never seen anybody else do this anywhere near so blatantly,
 nor so
  completely obliviously. It speaks of a near-total absence of
 self-knowledge,
  which is quite amazing for someone who has supposedly been on a
  spiritual path (or nonpath) for almost 50 years.
 
  Ann wrote:
 
   Barry's formula:
  
   1) Write some screed peppered with untruths, exaggerations,
 illogical conclusions and
   irrelevant factoids.
  
   2) Put it out there and to see what happens knowing or not knowing
 how bogus or insulting or
   just plain repetitive it is.
  
   3) Act like you knew exactly what was going to happen as a result
 (somehow, in the dustier
   regions of your brain realizing others with a modicum of sense and
 rationality feel it incumbent
   to address the array of idiocy in your posts) and drag out the
 usual suspects in the form of
   analysis of what the responders were reacting to.
  
   4) Pat yourself on the back for having gotten us all with your
 carefully laid trap.
  
   5) Pour yourself another beer while oogling the happy, romantic
 couples at the next table and
   imagining that you too could be one of them - if only you weren't
 so busy keeping the cretins at
   FFL in line.
 
  I wrote:
  Note that it was Judy who addressed Barry's message, and Barry who
 tried to shoot her for doing so in order to ignore her message. And he's
 utterly oblivious to the blatant projection.
 
 
  Barry wrote:
  (snip)
   This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
   the message.
  
   It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
   pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.
 
 
 
  Actually it's known as having fun puncturing Barry's incompetent
  attempts at get the TMO analysis and his hugely inflated ego.
 
   You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
   become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
   phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
   messenger routine. :-)
 
 
  O, got 'im. (Barry often touts the ability to laugh at oneself,
 but
  he couldn't do it if you put a gun to his head.)
 
   It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
   pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
   and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
   reactivity.
 
  Says Barry, having a tantrum of reactivity--otherwise known as
  Bad Behavior--because his not-very-bright thoughts were shown
  to be Bad Ideas.
 
   Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.
  
   It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
   I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate. :-)
 
 
  Uh-huh. He really believes this, folks.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-24 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 You can always tell when Barry's upset that one of his posts has been
 shown to be idiotic: He goes and counts the posts from his critics but
 ignores what they say, then claims his critics are the ones shooting
 the messenger and being reactive.
 

 No, Barry, we aren't defending the cult, we're making fun of you.
 

 Reading this just now I was struck by the term making fun of you. It is an 
interesting turn of phrase when you think about it. The concept that people can 
take another person and make fun out of them doesn't actually sound so 
terrible. In Barry's case, the ability to take this man and make something 
fun out of him is a minor miracle - sort of like the silk purse out of a 
sow's ear kind of thing. Or, to keep it a little more current, creating world 
peace out of dizzy peas.
 
Barry wrote:

 Meanwhile, those who claim to have sussed out Barry's formula
 have *demonstrated* their compulsive reactivity and *their*
 shoot the messenger formula in at least 17 get Barry posts.
 All while trying to defend the cult they're part of or still feel
 some allegiance to.
 
 Sure is good to know they're so smart as not to fall for a formula,
 eh? :-) :-) :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  What really awes me about Barry's Formula is the projection. You will
 almost
  always find at least one instance in a given rant of his scornfully
 accusing
  others of something he frequently does himself--and often, as in this
 case,
  in the same post in which he makes the accusation.
 
  I have never seen anybody else do this anywhere near so blatantly,
 nor so
  completely obliviously. It speaks of a near-total absence of
 self-knowledge,
  which is quite amazing for someone who has supposedly been on a
  spiritual path (or nonpath) for almost 50 years.
 
  Ann wrote:
 
   Barry's formula:
  
   1) Write some screed peppered with untruths, exaggerations,
 illogical conclusions and
   irrelevant factoids.
  
   2) Put it out there and to see what happens knowing or not knowing
 how bogus or insulting or
   just plain repetitive it is.
  
   3) Act like you knew exactly what was going to happen as a result
 (somehow, in the dustier
   regions of your brain realizing others with a modicum of sense and
 rationality feel it incumbent
   to address the array of idiocy in your posts) and drag out the
 usual suspects in the form of
   analysis of what the responders were reacting to.
  
   4) Pat yourself on the back for having gotten us all with your
 carefully laid trap.
  
   5) Pour yourself another beer while oogling the happy, romantic
 couples at the next table and
   imagining that you too could be one of them - if only you weren't
 so busy keeping the cretins at
   FFL in line.
 
  I wrote:
  Note that it was Judy who addressed Barry's message, and Barry who
 tried to shoot her for doing so in order to ignore her message. And he's
 utterly oblivious to the blatant projection.
 
 
  Barry wrote:
  (snip)
   This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
   the message.
  
   It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
   pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.
 
 
 
  Actually it's known as having fun puncturing Barry's incompetent
  attempts at get the TMO analysis and his hugely inflated ego.
 
   You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
   become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
   phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
   messenger routine. :-)
 
 
  O, got 'im. (Barry often touts the ability to laugh at oneself,
 but
  he couldn't do it if you put a gun to his head.)
 
   It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
   pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
   and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
   reactivity.
 
  Says Barry, having a tantrum of reactivity--otherwise known as
  Bad Behavior--because his not-very-bright thoughts were shown
  to be Bad Ideas.
 
   Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.
  
   It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
   I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate. :-)
 
 
  Uh-huh. He really believes this, folks.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread doctordumbass

Have you been smoking weed, again? :-)

Who gives a shit, about who gives a shit, about TM? What's the issue? What's
the problem?

Some people find TM the bees knees, and some couldn't care less about it.

Your point, please? Are you actually trying to increase the marketing
potential of TM?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Just a note of caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in this case being the untold
millions you think are required to make the world a better place and who are
out there, just waiting for the right TM marketing approach. Consider who
you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American Public is
quite on the same wavelength that you are. 58% of them probably wouldn't make
it through the 15 day waiting period. The legalization of marijuana has five
times the number of supporters as Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by
homosexual behavior, and 53% believe that same-sex marriage should be
legalized. The more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard
TMers just doesn't map to the way that most Americans see the world.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because they're
*pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem to indicate that Americans aren't quite
the hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea Party and others would have
you believe they are. But such pragmatism is not gonna be appealed to by Woo
Woo propaganda about how many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin
made of polystyrene foam, and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

The thing that would make TM marketable again IMO would be a return to the
more pragmatic approach of the late 60s, in which it was marketed as a simple
relaxation technique that would help to make you less stressed and more
productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives a shit about
enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled for that one, my bet is that
the percentage of people they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
digits, and the number who would actually pay money for it would be a fraction
of that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Have you been smoking weed, again? :-)

  Who gives a shit, about who gives a shit, about TM?
 What's the issue? What's the problem?

  Some people find TM the bees knees, and some couldn't
 care less about it.

  Your point, please?  Are you actually trying to increase
 the marketing potential of TM?



Unless the one is Supposedly Enlightened, I guess.  :-)  :-)  :-)


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

  Just a note of caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in this case being the
untold millions you think are required to make the world a better place
and who are out there, just waiting for the right TM marketing approach.
Consider who you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American
Public is quite on the same wavelength that you are. 58% of them
probably wouldn't make it through the 15 day waiting period. The
legalization of marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior, and 53%
believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized. The
more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard TMers
just doesn't map to the way that most Americans see the world.



http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10

 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because
they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem to indicate that
Americans aren't quite the hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea
Party and others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism is
not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how many Yogic
Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made of polystyrene foam,
and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

 The thing that would make TM marketable again IMO would be a return
to the more pragmatic approach of the late 60s, in which it was marketed
as a simple relaxation technique that would help to make you less
stressed and more productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives
a shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled for that
one, my bet is that the percentage of people they'd find who believe it
exists wouldn't crack two digits, and the number who would actually pay
money for it would be a fraction of that.

 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and could help
to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo gateway drug that only
seeks to hook people on a path to spending several hours of their day
bouncing on their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread sharelong60

turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm sure a lot of long term
TMers would be also. The ones I know are practical, intelligent and
compassionate. Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about and do
something for world peace. Maybe whirled peas too (-:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread sharelong60

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

[FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
 sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
 I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
 Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
 and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
 peas too (-:

My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many (including
some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing in
a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a day
and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to
butt-bounce and spend that much time away from their real life, too.

I'm merely pointing out that this is an assumption made by people who
*themselves* in most cases gravitated to the four-hours-a-day lifestyle
after *decades* of indoctrination by the TM movement. They've actually
come to believe that such a schedule is normal.

It ain't. And very few people who have...uh...lives will see it that
way, either. They *might* be open to learning a simple,
20-minutes-twice-a-day relaxation technique, but if the first thing that
happens when they go to a TM center for their followup is that people
start hustling them to learn the Sidhis and do them in a group, they're
gonna smell cult.


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

  Just a note of caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in this case being the
untold millions you think are required to make the world a better place
and who are out there, just waiting for the right TM marketing approach.
Consider who you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American
Public is quite on the same wavelength that you are. 58% of them
probably wouldn't make it through the 15 day waiting period. The
legalization of marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior, and 53%
believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized. The
more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard TMers
just doesn't map to the way that most Americans see the world.



http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10

 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because
they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem to indicate that
Americans aren't quite the hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea
Party and others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism is
not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how many Yogic
Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made of polystyrene foam,
and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

 The thing that would make TM marketable again IMO would be a return
to the more pragmatic approach of the late 60s, in which it was marketed
as a simple relaxation technique that would help to make you less
stressed and more productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives
a shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled for that
one, my bet is that the percentage of people they'd find who believe it
exists wouldn't crack two digits, and the number who would actually pay
money for it would be a fraction of that.

 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and could help
to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo gateway drug that only
seeks to hook people on a path to spending several hours of their day
bouncing on their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
Just sayin'...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread Share Long

Ok, but is the TMO marketing focused on the sidhis or on relaxation and 
creativity? I would think the latter given that DL is front and center. But I 
am out of the TMO loops and have not been to an intro recently so am speaking 
from educated guess rather than experience.





On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:05 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 turq, I'm encouraged by these Gallup findings and I'm
 sure a lot of long term TMers would be also. The ones
 I know are practical, intelligent and compassionate.
 Also I bet a lot of people would love to know about
 and do something for world peace. Maybe whirled
 peas too (-:

My point is that the marketing approach of the TMO is that of
cultists, while pitching their product to non-cultists. Many (including
some of this forum) seem to equate TMers with TM-Sidhas practicing in
a group. They seem to believe that the leap from 20 minutes twice a day
and an average of four hours per day (including travel time) is No
Biggie, and that everyone that wants to learn TM wants to learn to
butt-bounce and spend that much time away from their real life, too.

I'm merely pointing out that this is an assumption made by people who
*themselves* in most cases gravitated to the four-hours-a-day lifestyle
after *decades* of indoctrination by the TM movement. They've actually
come to believe that such a schedule is normal.

It ain't. And very few people who have...uh...lives will see it that
way, either. They *might* be open to learning a simple,
20-minutes-twice-a-day relaxation technique, but if the first thing that
happens when they go to a TM center for their followup is that people
start hustling them to learn the Sidhis and do them in a group, they're
gonna smell cult.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

  Just a note of caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in this case being the
untold millions you think are required to make the world a better place
and who are out there, just waiting for the right TM marketing approach.
Consider who you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

 The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American
Public is quite on the same wavelength that you are. 58% of them
probably wouldn't make it through the 15 day waiting period. The
legalization of marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior, and 53%
believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized. The
more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard TMers
just doesn't map to the way that most Americans see the world.



http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-th\
an-almost-anything-else-2013-10

 Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because
they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem to indicate that
Americans aren't quite the hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea
Party and others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism is
not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how many Yogic
Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made of polystyrene foam,
and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

 The thing that would make TM marketable again IMO would be a return
to the more pragmatic approach of the late 60s, in which it was marketed
as a simple relaxation technique that would help to make you less
stressed and more productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives
a shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled for that
one, my bet is that the percentage of people they'd find who believe it
exists wouldn't crack two digits, and the number who would actually pay
money for it would be a fraction of that.

 A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and could help
to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo gateway drug that only
seeks to hook people on a path to spending several hours of their day
bouncing on their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread authfriend

Barry wrote:

Actually if you're talking about plain-vanilla TM, it would be 1 percent of
the world population, so hardly untold, eh? We do have a pretty good idea of
the size of the population. And if you're talking about the TM-Sidhis, 1
percent of the square root of the population, so not even 1 million.

and who are out there,

As opposed to in here?

just waiting for the right TM marketing approach.

Consider who you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that John Q. American Public
is quite on the same
wavelength that you are.

Well, depending on who you is...

58% of them probably wouldn't make it through the 15 day waiting period.

I think you have the number of people who believe weed should be legal (shown
on the chart) confused with the number who partake of it (not shown on the
chart), first of all; but actually most of those who do use it wouldn't have
any problem abstaining for two weeks. It's not addictive, you know.

The legalization of marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are
unthreatened by homosexual behavior, and 53% believe that same-sex marriage
should be legalized. The
more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many die-hard TMers just
doesn't map to the way that most
Americans see the world.

Probably not, but of course such a mapping wouldn't be needed. You don't have
to have any particular lifestyle ethic to practice TM and benefit from it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful, because they're
*pragmatic*, and on the whole they
seem to indicate that Americans aren't quite the hyper-conservative
know-nothings that the Tea Party and
others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism is not gonna be
appealed to by Woo Woo
propaganda about how many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin
made of polystyrene
foam, and how that's gonna magically create Whirled Peas.

Is that how TM is marketed these days? Or is it still marketed pretty much as
it always has been, as you go on to describe?

Nobody gives a shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled
for that one, my bet is that the

percentage of people they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
digits, and the number who would
actually pay money for it would be a fraction of that.

Hasn't that always been the case?

If you look at the home page ot tm.org, something like 95 percent of it has to
do with less stress, greater productivity, and better health. Nothing about
world peace. Enlightenment is mentioned unobtrusively only at the very bottom,
and when you click on that, you get a quote from Maharishi that includes this:

Even if we forget about ‘enlightenment’ for a moment — maybe that state seems
to be inconceivable — still it is our daily experience that the whole value of
life is very little if we are tired, if we are stressed.

You need to think this all through a little better, Barry, get the kinks out.
You've made a bunch of rather strange assumptions above. Current TM marketing
appears to be very much in line with what you suggest already. The discussion
here has been about the most effective price point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Er...that should be curiouser and curiouser...

 I wrote:

  Curioser and curioser...




:-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread awoelflebater

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

As usual, Barry misses entirely the point of his own post. In addition, he
makes up random shit, comes to erroneous conclusions and generally ends up with
mushed carrots rather than his purported whirled peas. If Barry were a
kitchen appliance he would most closely resemble a garburator.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Jackson

I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just cuz you don't
like Barry

On Wed, 10/23/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target
audience
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:33 PM

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Just a note of
caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in
this case being the untold millions you think are required
to make the world a better place and who are out there, just
waiting for the right TM marketing approach. Consider who
you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that
John Q. American Public is quite on the same wavelength that
you are. 58% of them probably wouldn't make it through
the 15 day waiting period. The legalization of
marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior,
and 53% believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized.
The more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many
die-hard TMers just doesn't map to the way that most
Americans see the world.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful,
because they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem
to indicate that Americans aren't quite the
hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea Party and
others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism
is not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how
many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made
of polystyrene foam, and how that's gonna magically
create Whirled Peas.

The thing that would make TM marketable again
IMO would be a return to the more pragmatic approach of the
late 60s, in which it was marketed as a simple relaxation
technique that would help to make you less stressed and more
productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives a
shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled
for that one, my bet is that the percentage of people
they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
digits, and the number who would actually pay money for it
would be a fraction of that.

A non-drug technique that takes only 40 minutes per day and
could help to lower stress levels is marketable. A Woo Woo
gateway drug that only seeks to hook people on a
path to spending several hours of their day bouncing on
their butts with other people to create Whiled Peas is not.
Just sayin'...
As usual, Barry misses
entirely the point of his own post. In addition, he makes up
random shit, comes to erroneous conclusions and generally
ends up with mushed carrots rather than his purported
whirled peas. If Barry were a kitchen appliance
he would most closely resemble a
garburator.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread authfriend

Don't be ridiculous. Did you read my posts on this? What Barry wrote made no
sense.

Can you refute anything I said?

No, I didn't think so.

Michael wrote:

I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just cuz you
don't like Barry

On Wed, 10/23/13, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target
audience
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 1:33 PM

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Just a note of
caution to those who still believe that If we charge
more/less/enough for TM, they will come, *they* in
this case being the untold millions you think are required
to make the world a better place and who are out there, just
waiting for the right TM marketing approach. Consider who
you're talking to, and what *they* believe.

The latest Gallup poll doesn't seem to indicate that
John Q. American Public is quite on the same wavelength that
you are. 58% of them probably wouldn't make it through
the 15 day waiting period. The legalization of
marijuana has five times the number of supporters as
Congress does. 63% are unthreatened by homosexual behavior,
and 53% believe that same-sex marriage should be legalized.
The more-puritan-than-the-Puritans lifestyle ethic of many
die-hard TMers just doesn't map to the way that most
Americans see the world.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

Me, I find these Gallup findings positive, and hopeful,
because they're *pragmatic*, and on the whole they seem
to indicate that Americans aren't quite the
hyper-conservative know-nothings that the Tea Party and
others would have you believe they are. But such pragmatism
is not gonna be appealed to by Woo Woo propaganda about how
many Yogic Flyers can butt-bounce on the head of a pin made
of polystyrene foam, and how that's gonna magically
create Whirled Peas.

The thing that would make TM marketable again
IMO would be a return to the more pragmatic approach of the
late 60s, in which it was marketed as a simple relaxation
technique that would help to make you less stressed and more
productive in your real-world activities. Nobody gives a
shit about enlightenment; if the Gallup organization polled
for that one, my bet is that the percentage of people
they'd find who believe it exists wouldn't crack two
digits, and the number who would actually pay money for it
would be a fraction of that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just
 cuz you don't like Barry

That, plus it's all they know how to do.

This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
the message.

It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.

You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
messenger routine.  :-)

It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
reactivity.

Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.

It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Before evangelizing TM, consider your target audience

2013-10-23 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Is the number of smiley faces in a post of yours, directly, or inversely, 
related to how pissed off you are? I think the former. :-) :-) :-) LOL

 

 They absolutely are, that is why I never trust the little buggers. Barry's 
smiley faces are actually farts.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  I agree with his assessment - I think you take issue with it just
  cuz you don't like Barry
 
 That, plus it's all they know how to do.
 
 This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
 the message.
 
 It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
 pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.
 
 You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
 become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
 phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
 messenger routine. :-)
 
 It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
 pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
 and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
 reactivity.
 
 Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.
 
 It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
 I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate. :-)

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---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 What really awes me about Barry's Formula is the projection. You will almost
 always find at least one instance in a given rant of his scornfully accusing
 others of something he frequently does himself--and often, as in this case,
 in the same post in which he makes the accusation.
 

 I have never seen anybody else do this anywhere near so blatantly, nor so
 completely obliviously. It speaks of a near-total absence of self-knowledge,
 which is quite amazing for someone who has supposedly been on a
 spiritual path (or nonpath) for almost 50 years.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Ann wrote:
 

  Barry's formula:
  
  1) Write some screed peppered with untruths, exaggerations, illogical 
  conclusions and 
  irrelevant factoids.
  
  2) Put it out there and to see what happens knowing or not knowing how bogus 
  or insulting or
  just plain repetitive it is.
 
  3) Act like you knew exactly what was going to happen as a result (somehow, 
  in the dustier
  regions of your brain realizing others with a modicum of sense and 
  rationality feel it incumbent
  to address the array of idiocy in your posts) and drag out the usual 
  suspects in the form of
  analysis of what the responders were reacting to.
 
  4) Pat yourself on the back for having gotten us all with your carefully 
  laid trap.
 
  5) Pour yourself another beer while oogling the happy, romantic couples at 
  the next table and
  imagining that you too could be one of them - if only you weren't so busy 
  keeping the cretins at
  FFL in line. 

 I wrote:
 Note that it was Judy who addressed Barry's message, and Barry who tried to 
shoot her for doing so in order to ignore her message. And he's utterly 
oblivious to the blatant projection.
 

 Barry wrote:
 (snip)
  This is just an exercise in Shoot the messenger, so we can ignore
 the message.
  
 It's pure REACTIVITY, otherwise known as getting your buttons
 pushed, otherwise known as getting your panties in a twist.
 
 

 Actually it's known as having fun puncturing Barry's incompetent
 attempts at get the TMO analysis and his hugely inflated ego.
 
  You can tell how MUCH they got their buttons pushed when they
 become so desperate as to try to turn the latter extremely common
 phrase into a sexual aberration as part of their Shoot the
 messenger routine. :-)
 
 
 O, got 'im. (Barry often touts the ability to laugh at oneself, but
 he couldn't do it if you put a gun to his head.)
 
  It's not as if anyone but the other members of the Mean Girls Club
 pay any attention to them. They're just apologists for Bad Ideas
 and Bad Behavior, not very bright, and given to tantrums of
 reactivity.
 
 
 Says Barry, having a tantrum of reactivity--otherwise known as
 Bad Behavior--because his not-very-bright thoughts were shown
 to be Bad Ideas.
 
  Me, I just post what I think, and allow them to react.
 
 It's the oldest dictum of education: Don't describe, *demonstrate*.
 I provide the stimulus, they demonstrate. :-)
 
 
 Uh-huh. He really believes this, folks.

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