[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Why not just read a Marvel Comic? I myself really don't see a difference... The difference is that the authors of Marvel Comics have senses of humor, and can occasionally laugh at all this superpower stuff and themselves. You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? We were talking about spiritual books about sidhis and such phenomena, not Maharishi-brand Champion Yogic Flyers. Of course no one ever took that seriously. :-) My comment was about spiritual books in general, almost *all* of which take themselves too seriously. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jamshad Ghanbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: Jamshad Ghanbar [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:47:13 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips I agree with what Patrick Gillam wrote Thosedaysthat peoplesearchedfor strange and amazingeventswithin thedeep forests ofHimalayas, mountainsand other places where adepts livedare over. Today weare witnessing all sorts of siddhis from invisibility to levitation , reading minds and ...etc. ( I know friends that have started levitating -They stay floated in the air for minutes) Therefore what Yogananda has written in his book is beautiful and interesting yet is noting new these days andwe seepeopleare in needof further advance techniques for their desires and progress in life. Package of Techniques must be prepared for this thirst. This is called real business. We are all aware that we live inaworld which has reached its own evolutionary climax. Thisstagecan be best explained ina summarized, concentrated and Sutric formasthe word ""BUSINESS"" I hope thatthe ones whoreadthis mail will enjoy the Dept- Sweetness and the Beauty of that which is kept hidden within its context. Enjoy yourlife where ever you are JamshadVaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed.Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them.It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know.That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? If you did, you'd just create attachment to the outward stroke. If "it" (the siddhi) becomes an object, you immediately fall into ignorance IMO.These are normally experienced as signs of progress *spontaneously* unless there is a specific reason you are cultivating a certain manifestation of energy (e.g. tummo) and maintaining a specific POV to use it..02 USD __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. Why not just read a Marvel Comic? I myself really don't see a difference... I have always enjoyed comics- oddly, when I was learning the sidhis, I had a subscription to X-Men... At a certain stage of my development, I needed to know that our abilities as humans weren't limited to what is ordinarily reported. So I really enjoyed and was inspired by Yogananda's book, because it was written in a very matter-of-fact and personal style. It was accessible, vs just imaginative as comic books are. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
on 2/14/06 11:19 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. And what causes that? Kundalini stimulation from banging your butt on the ground? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. What were the stoichiometric equations for that molecular process? You tell me!! Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non-localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
on 2/14/06 12:08 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what causes that? Kundalini stimulation from banging your butt on the ground? Ha,ha! I found it was the direct result of invoking the sutra. After that I would feel as if my body was turned into light. Much less localized than my typical experience. Ultimately though, after doing sidhis for about ten years I stopped doing the program- got everything I wanted out of it. Still do TM... I stopped a few years ago too, but this morning, on a whim, I went through the sutras. Noticed a little something more than when I used to do them, but if anything is really happening, it's very subtle. Such is the state of my nervous system. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. What were the stoichiometric equations for that molecular process? You tell me!! Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non-localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. What were the stoichiometric equations for that molecular process? You tell me!! Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non-localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. All reasonable points. However, this experience, that I had repeatedly, falls solidly in between what can be characterized as a scientific experience (repeatable, observable phenomenon) and a metaphysical one. So I didn't want to say something unqualified, like powerful and fundamental, that would lead the reader to their own conclusions. Instead, I thought back to another experience of vision that I had while doing the sidhis practice, that of actually observing the atomic makeup of a person and objects, (correlated by descriptions I've read in scientific documents and Yogananda's autobio) and from this, and my earlier account of experiencing my body as light, I am reaching the reasonable conclusion that for me to be able to see and experience such things, an alteration of my body at the molecular level must've occurred. So this is my point, that to experience these phenomena is a result of the body's machinery changing at a fundamental level. And the point of bringing that up is to tie experiences of higher states of consciousness with changes in the body, not some airy-fairy notion of enlightenment. Further, that spiritual practices do provide real substantial benefits. Similar to the experience of going to sleep and always waking up refreshed. If we believe otherwise, that there is no sure fire way to gain our freedom, then we are truly lost. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 12:08 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what causes that? Kundalini stimulation from banging your butt on the ground? Ha,ha! I found it was the direct result of invoking the sutra. After that I would feel as if my body was turned into light. Much less localized than my typical experience. Ultimately though, after doing sidhis for about ten years I stopped doing the program- got everything I wanted out of it. Still do TM... I stopped a few years ago too, but this morning, on a whim, I went through the sutras. Noticed a little something more than when I used to do them, but if anything is really happening, it's very subtle. Such is the state of my nervous system. yeah, its probably a case of getting the body used to the experience again... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. What were the stoichiometric equations for that molecular process? You tell me!! Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non-localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. And given that the intense change at the molecular level was pufification, it implies large scale toxin removal or transformation. What toxins were these? What molecular or processes were these toxins blocking or destroying? Given that the molecular purification was intense it must be quantitively significant -- the change in toxin levels must be clearly measurable. Have you surveyed any of the literature to see what toxins dramatically decrease with siddhis practice? Do such findings correlate with your post siddhis experience (that is, if the research indicated removal of toxins related to a specific cellular /physiologic process, did you notice higher level purification in that area? Perhaps the intense molecular changes and removal of toxins are not universal from siddhis practice, per Meridith post. Have you volunteered for exploratory studies physiological studies to pinpoint the intense molecular changes and toxin removal in your physiology? If you are experience intese molecular change and toxin removal from a mental practice, it would be a milestone in medicine and biology to pinpoint these changes in your body chemistry. This would be increadibly important to the advancement of science. If you have not beat down the doors of Stanford of UC Berkeley to be tested, it seems selfish given the contribution to the world such findings would bring. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 11:19 AM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. And what causes that? Kundalini stimulation from banging your butt on the ground? Ha,ha! I found it was the direct result of invoking the sutra. After that I would feel as if my body was turned into light. Well: bahir akalpitaa vRttir *mahaa-videhaa*; tataH *prakaashaavaraNa-kSayaH*. YS III 40-something, next after aakaasha-gamana-suutra. Much less localized That seems like mahaa-videhaa (great bodylessness?) than my typical experience. Ultimately though, after doing sidhis for about ten years I stopped doing the program- got everything I wanted out of it. Still do TM... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non-localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. All reasonable points. However, this experience, that I had repeatedly, falls solidly in between what can be characterized as a scientific experience (repeatable, observable phenomenon) If the experiment is only repeatable, and an observable phenomenon to you, in no may makes it a scientific experience. Indeed to characterize science as an experience is quite odd. Among other things, science is characterized by experimental results that multiple, independent parties can replicate. So I didn't want to say something unqualified, like powerful and fundamental, that would lead the reader to their own conclusions. And molecular doesn't lead us to our own conclusions? For me it raises the red flag of psuedo-science -- which leads me towards my own hypotheses as to what you experienced. Instead, I thought back to another experience of vision that I had while doing the sidhis practice, that of actually observing the atomic makeup of a person and objects, What atoms did you observe? Did you experience quantum level observation? (correlated by descriptions I've read in scientific documents Why would seeing something that looked like some two-dimesional drawing in a book, with clearly no background in chemistry, validate your experience as truly seeing atomic structure? and Yogananda's autobio) Are you kidding? As I remember his physics, it was a dreamy laymans view from the 1930s/40s and had little to do with modern physics and chemistry. and from this, and my earlier account of experiencing my body as light, I am reaching the reasonable conclusion reasonable conclusion? Do your conclusions include logic? that for me to be able to see and experience such things, an alteration of my body at the molecular level must've occurred. must've occurred? I have totally lost your logic here. You seem to interpret experiences in very odd yet convenient ways, that while maybe poetic and fantasifully satisfying, have nothing to do with meaningful validation. So this is my point, that to experience these phenomena is a result of the body's machinery changing at a fundamental level. If that is a hypothesis that your subjective experience supports, then fine. But that has nothing to do with making a valid objective claim that your bodily machinery has changed, much less has changed at a fundamental level, or that any purification has occured, much less intense purification. Heavy breathing in flying sutra may clearly feels purifying. So does various pranayam exercises. To say this feels pufifying and My body is more effective in my daily life are fine self-testimonies. Maybe they reflect a real change in the body, maybe its a type of wishful thinking. But clearly, its not a validation of intense molecular change. And the point of bringing that up is to tie experiences of higher states of consciousness with changes in the body, not some airy-fairy notion of enlightenment. If your interpretations of what is happening in your body are so subjective, yet ironically you feel so empiically valid, what gives your interpretation of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non- localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. All reasonable points. However, this experience, that I had repeatedly, falls solidly in between what can be characterized as a scientific experience (repeatable, observable phenomenon) If the experiment is only repeatable, and an observable phenomenon to you, in no may makes it a scientific experience. Indeed to characterize science as an experience is quite odd. Among other things, science is characterized by experimental results that multiple, independent parties can replicate. So I didn't want to say something unqualified, like powerful and fundamental, that would lead the reader to their own conclusions. And molecular doesn't lead us to our own conclusions? For me it raises the red flag of psuedo-science -- which leads me towards my own hypotheses as to what you experienced. Instead, I thought back to another experience of vision that I had while doing the sidhis practice, that of actually observing the atomic makeup of a person and objects, What atoms did you observe? Did you experience quantum level observation? (correlated by descriptions I've read in scientific documents Why would seeing something that looked like some two-dimesional drawing in a book, with clearly no background in chemistry, validate your experience as truly seeing atomic structure? and Yogananda's autobio) Are you kidding? As I remember his physics, it was a dreamy laymans view from the 1930s/40s and had little to do with modern physics and chemistry. and from this, and my earlier account of experiencing my body as light, I am reaching the reasonable conclusion reasonable conclusion? Do your conclusions include logic? that for me to be able to see and experience such things, an alteration of my body at the molecular level must've occurred. must've occurred? I have totally lost your logic here. You seem to interpret experiences in very odd yet convenient ways, that while maybe poetic and fantasifully satisfying, have nothing to do with meaningful validation. So this is my point, that to experience these phenomena is a result of the body's machinery changing at a fundamental level. If that is a hypothesis that your subjective experience supports, then fine. But that has nothing to do with making a valid objective claim that your bodily machinery has changed, much less has changed at a fundamental level, or that any purification has occured, much less intense purification. Heavy breathing in flying sutra may clearly feels purifying. So does various pranayam exercises. To say this feels pufifying and My body is more effective in my daily life are fine self-testimonies. Maybe they reflect a real change in the body, maybe its a type of wishful thinking. But clearly, its not a validation of intense molecular change. And the point of bringing that up is to tie experiences of higher states of consciousness with changes in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. What were the stoichiometric equations for that molecular process? You tell me!! Seriously, mystery guest, after looking up what stoichiometric equations are and seeing that they primarily have to do with conservation of mass, then I conclude that such a phenomenon as I witnessed while doing the flying sutra could not be measured in this way. As I said, my subjective experience was much more non- localized than my typical experience. Since my experience and therefore the phenomenon was non-localized, there is no way to determine a closed system to apply the stoichiometric equations to. And, question for you: why the heck would you want to anyway? The whole point of spiritual practice is to release us from our suffering. How would the calculation of these equations achieve that? Well, you made a point to say the intense changes were at the molecular level. Since most changes in the body are at the molecular level of cellular processes, it would at first appear to be rendundant and pseudo-science speak. But I assume that you had a specific reason, specific insight at the molecular level. Thus mapping out the basic molecular change that was revealed to you is an appropriate follow-up question. If your subjective experience was much more non-localized than your typical experience, why did you highlight it as intense molecular change? If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. If it was molecular, and you know that for a fact, then you must have some insight into the molecular process involved. If you were simply using molecular as a crude analogy for powerful and fundamental well, then ok, I guess. Just seems to be sloppy writing. And given that the intense change at the molecular level was pufification, it implies large scale toxin removal or transformation. What toxins were these? What molecular or processes were these toxins blocking or destroying? Given that the molecular purification was intense it must be quantitively significant -- the change in toxin levels must be clearly measurable. Have you surveyed any of the literature to see what toxins dramatically decrease with siddhis practice? Do such findings correlate with your post siddhis experience (that is, if the research indicated removal of toxins related to a specific cellular /physiologic process, did you notice higher level purification in that area? Perhaps the intense molecular changes and removal of toxins are not universal from siddhis practice, per Meridith post. Have you volunteered for exploratory studies physiological studies to pinpoint the intense molecular changes and toxin removal in your physiology? If you are experience intese molecular change and toxin removal from a mental practice, it would be a milestone in medicine and biology to pinpoint these changes in your body chemistry. This would be increadibly important to the advancement of science. If you have not beat down the doors of Stanford of UC Berkeley to be tested, it seems selfish given the contribution to the world such findings would bring. You are on a rant. decaf please Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
On Feb 14, 2006, at 1:53 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. You mean like the TMO conditions people to do??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: that for me to be able to see and experience such things, an alteration of my body at the molecular level must've occurred. must've occurred? I have totally lost your logic here. You seem to interpret experiences in very odd yet convenient ways, that while maybe poetic and fantasifully satisfying, have nothing to do with meaningful validation. So this is my point, that to experience these phenomena is a result of the body's machinery changing at a fundamental level. If that is a hypothesis that your subjective experience supports, then fine. But that has nothing to do with making a valid objective claim that your bodily machinery has changed, much less has changed at a fundamental level, or that any purification has occured, much less intense purification. Heavy breathing in flying sutra may clearly feels purifying. So does various pranayam exercises. To say this feels pufifying and My body is more effective in my daily life are fine self-testimonies. Maybe they reflect a real change in the body, maybe its a type of wishful thinking. But clearly, its not a validation of intense molecular change. And the point of bringing that up is to tie experiences of higher states of consciousness with changes in the body, not some airy-fairy notion of enlightenment. If your interpretations of what is happening in your body are so subjective, yet ironically you feel so empiically valid, what gives your interpretation of consciousness any greater validity? Further, that spiritual practices do provide real substantial benefits. Similar to the experience of going to sleep and always waking up refreshed. Thats good. But many other things also yield this result. If we believe otherwise, that there is no sure fire way to gain our freedom, then we are truly lost. So your methods is fully contingent on belief? Things are becoming clearer now as to your subjective experiences and your claims of empirical validity. Its more a belief, postive thinking thing. All glory to Norman Vincent Peale. stop being an assh*le. You made a claim about intense molecular purification during siddhis. I took your claims at face value, but asked pertinent questions regarding validation. You respond with quite odd logic along the lines of 'I had a visual experience that looked like atoms in a book thus that proves it what I experienced was real and molecular.' I questioned that logic. For that you call me an asshole. If you can't back up your claims, or prefer to reduce them to rough analogies, then fine. But if your best response to someone who is willing to accept fanstastic claims if at least some validation is presented, and asks for such, is that they are an asshole, well, that appears to sum up the substance of your claims, logic and experiences. Listen to my wild claims, but don't ask for clairification else you are an asshole. If only the rest of science were that simple a process. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: Given that the molecular purification was intense it must be quantitively significant -- the change in toxin levels must be clearly measurable. Have you surveyed any of the literature to see what toxins dramatically decrease with siddhis practice? Do such findings correlate with your post siddhis experience (that is, if the research indicated removal of toxins related to a specific cellular /physiologic process, did you notice higher level purification in that area? Perhaps the intense molecular changes and removal of toxins are not universal from siddhis practice, per Meridith post. Have you volunteered for exploratory studies physiological studies to pinpoint the intense molecular changes and toxin removal in your physiology? If you are experience intese molecular change and toxin removal from a mental practice, it would be a milestone in medicine and biology to pinpoint these changes in your body chemistry. This would be increadibly important to the advancement of science. If you have not beat down the doors of Stanford of UC Berkeley to be tested, it seems selfish given the contribution to the world such findings would bring. You are on a rant. decaf please No rant. Just following things to a logical conclusion. If you are experiencing intense molecular change and toxin removal from a mental practice, it would be a milestone in medicine and biology to pinpoint these changes in your body chemistry. Do you truly disagree? That you are not having these processes tested and allowing science to examine and explore them is terribly self-centered and selfish. Do you really disagree with that? You use time honored methods to try to avoid scrutiny of your claims by deflection, name calling and making the questioner the issue. Perhaps you have found such tactics effective previously and have made them a habit. Regardless, you are responding in a very odd way for someone who is making an extraordinary claim and experiencing a medical / physiological breakthrough. My best hypothesis at this point as to why you would act thusly is that your claims are some kind of odd hoax. Otherwise you would be open, if not eager for quesions,validation and making a major contribution to world health. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 2006, at 1:53 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. You mean like the TMO conditions people to do??? Jim is in Brahman Consciousness so I assume he is beyond such surface conditioning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. The height or the spontaneous hopping or both? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 11:19 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 5:17 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: You think the champion Yogic Flyers take themselves seriously? The champion yogic flyers (Blaine Watson, Eddie Gob, Matt Boutrand) were all accomplished athletes in their younger days - Blaine was a gymnast, Eddie a soccer player, Matt's built like an Olympian). Probably now, none of them can fly as well as they once did, even though their level of inner development has probably evolved. The point being that they were champions because it was primarily a display of physical prowess, not a siddhi. The primary benefit of the flying sutra is intense, molecular level purification of the body and its resultant consciousness. And what causes that? Kundalini stimulation from banging your butt on the ground? So you're saying there is no mental component to Yogic FLying save a deliberate attemptto jump up and down in a funny position? why do I go through periods of a lot of jumping and periods of little if any jumping, if its that cut and dried? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
On Feb 14, 2006, at 6:00 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 2006, at 1:53 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: If it was metaphysical, why try to cloak it in scientific terms. You mean like the TMO conditions people to do??? Jim is in Brahman Consciousness so I assume he is beyond such surface conditioning. If Jim wants to wear a brah, that's his business. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me this: I did a search on Charlie to find that site for a pic and ran across this - interesting that he had a chapter on Charlie. http://www.charlieandhelen.com/audio.html http://www.charlieandhelen.com/audio.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze6a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze6a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html I have a picture of Charlie in a VW Microbus ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me this: I did a search on Charlie to find that site for a pic and ran across this - interesting that he had a chapter on Charlie. http://www.charlieandhelen.com/audio.html http://www.charlieandhelen.com/audio.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze6a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze6a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
on 2/13/06 2:46 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? The TMO tried that but nobody got past the hopping stage, so it got old pretty quick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
On Feb 13, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? If you did, you'd just create attachment to the outward stroke. If "it" (the siddhi) becomes an object, you immediately fall into ignorance IMO.These are normally experienced as signs of progress *spontaneously* unless there is a specific reason you are cultivating a certain manifestation of energy (e.g. tummo) and maintaining a specific POV to use it..02 USD To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. The thing to go for is your own freedom. The odd thing about that, is after gaining the 'secret' to it, these yogic manifestations seem more irrelevant and stale than ever. The reason why will surprise you! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. The thing to go for is your own freedom. The odd thing about that, is after gaining the 'secret' to it, these yogic manifestations seem more irrelevant and stale than ever. The reason why will surprise you! +++ Didn't Patanjli point out that all that was just more stuff that would have to be transended eventually? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. The thing to go for is your own freedom. The odd thing about that, is after gaining the 'secret' to it, these yogic manifestations seem more irrelevant and stale than ever. The reason why will surprise you! +++ Didn't Patanjli point out that all that was just more stuff that would have to be transended eventually? N. As opposed to what? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them. It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know. That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? ; - | Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. Why not just read a Marvel Comic? I myself really don't see a difference... The thing to go for is your own freedom. The odd thing about that, is after gaining the 'secret' to it, these yogic manifestations seem more irrelevant and stale than ever. The reason why will surprise you! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography snip Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. The thing to go for is your own freedom. The odd thing about that, is after gaining the 'secret' to it, these yogic manifestations seem more irrelevant and stale than ever. The reason why will surprise you! +++ Didn't Patanjli point out that all that was just more stuff that would have to be transended eventually? N. As opposed to what? +++ getting involved and creating more mud to wade thru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
I agree with what Patrick Gillam wrote Thosedaysthat peoplesearchedfor strange and amazingeventswithin thedeep forests ofHimalayas, mountainsand other places where adepts livedare over. Today weare witnessing all sorts of siddhis from invisibility to levitation , reading minds and ...etc. ( I know friends that have started levitating -They stay floated in the air for minutes) Therefore what Yogananda has written in his book is beautiful and interesting yet is noting new these days andwe seepeopleare in needof further advance techniques for their desires and progress in life. Package of Techniques must be prepared for this thirst. This is called real business. We are all aware that we live inaworld which has reached its own evolutionary climax. Thisstagecan be best explained ina summarized, concentrated and Sutric formasthe word ""BUSINESS"" I hope thatthe ones whoreadthis mail will enjoy the Dept- Sweetness and the Beauty of that which is kept hidden within its context. Enjoy yourlife where ever you are JamshadVaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed.Now I'm not too keen on hearing isolated stories of this adept here and that healer there. These anomalies may point to untapped human potential, but now that people have been doing self-development practices for decades, I'm more interested in finding out works for them.It's like these studies that put one Buddhist monk in an MRI and show the amazing results. What's that mean? I have to live in a monastery for 30 years to be happy? When you figure out how to package the bliss, buddy, let me know.That said, I wonder if there's a way to capitalize on these super abilities in the context of our entertainment-oriented culture. Create a competition or something. A yogic Olympics, maybe? If you did, you'd just create attachment to the outward stroke. If "it" (the siddhi) becomes an object, you immediately fall into ignorance IMO.These are normally experienced as signs of progress *spontaneously* unless there is a specific reason you are cultivating a certain manifestation of energy (e.g. tummo) and maintaining a specific POV to use it..02 USD__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. ... Hi, yeah, its a little weird to keep reading stories about what super powers this yogi or that manifested. The best book on that was Yogananda's, but agreed that it gets old after awhile. Why not just read a Marvel Comic? I myself really don't see a difference... The difference is that the authors of Marvel Comics have senses of humor, and can occasionally laugh at all this superpower stuff and themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
