[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve?: It would be an experience of pure consciousness - pure subjectivity. I put experience in scare quotes because in this case there is no division between an experiencer and the experience, as is usually the case. And the tasting of a pure state of consciousness would indeed be an experience of ultimate reality because literally everything else is simply a modification of consciousness. Yup, that's what I said. Everything is what is going on in our brains - neural noise - and higher states are part of our normal repertoire of emotions, just experienced in a different or original way. Can one not be too - way, way too - humble about this whole issue? If experiencing ultimate reality isn't the most blindingly obvious, undeniable event it can't have been ultimate reality one experienced! Isn't that logically irrefutable? Ah, if you'd asked me this twenty years ago when I first had the experience I'd be saying it was the most awesome thing I'd ever known. But after repeated exposure it becomes familiar in the way a favourite song does. It loses it's novelty and sooner or later it's just a bit more Meh... They say that enlightenment is when this awesome profoundness becomes integrated into everyday awareness and maybe they are right but you don't keep the opinion or experience of walking around in an infinite sea of bliss and awareness, not at all. You wouldn't get anything done if you did, which doesn't mean there aren't nice aspects to it but if you bought the line that Marshy was walking around in a state of high union with god and that you could too, I'm afraid you brought a baited hook. Unless I'm doing it all wrong, but it all seems so natural I doubt that I am. What interests me more now is how to get an explanation of higher states that stems from an evolutionary understanding of consciousness. To have this latent talent is an interesting poser yes? And being able to do by closing my eyes and thinking a sanskrit word made me turn away from a pure a Darwinian perspective and delve into the religious cosmology of the reesh. but not for long I'm happy to say. Still time for a conversion though, I just need a bit of evidence that something irreducible is happening and I'll eat my yoga mat. The neural noise you refer to must be noticed by an awareness to be noise so must itself be an object. It's the awareness that is ultimate and it is completely and totally empty and boundless (what could enclose it?). Has to be, if there was no awareness you'd be unconscious. I'm not going to use the word ultimate because - as with terms like higher and god consciousness - it comes too laden with expectation or a pre-decided value that it may turn out not to have. The boundlessness is an illusion in that you aren't experiencing anything infinite but rather that the normal way your brain constructs it's vision of the world is changed by having its Cartesian sense of objects placed within a space altered by removing the objects. What we see is the machinery we have to see but without anything there. It sounds like the same thing as the mystics but I'm saying we shouldn't spin it with this idea that consciousness is infinite or some sort of other thing whether it's our normal day to day minds or expanded and higher states. It makes it all sound rather mundane but it's great fun, and knowing how it works won't stop the experiences, at least it hasn't for me because - like everything - it's just neural stuff and will work whatever explanation or designation I come up with for it. That's a telling thing about consciousness, you can't switch it on or off, it's part of what happens when we are awake, that's what is cool about it. It can be altered with drugs and meditation or reduced by lack of sleep but it's not a thing, it's an action. It's what our brains do. There is no unified field for it to be a part of, no screen of ultimate reality that will be revealed to us. There is no such thing as consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think I did this survey before or something very similar. I was a TB at the time and revelled in the depth of my god head experiences. This time I can't stop quibbling about the terms like God or Ultimate reality, god is nonsense ( or at least the idea that we can experience it using the stuff in out heads, confuse it with some sort of god perhaps but it's all kiddology I think) But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve? Everything I see is a virtual reality programme running in my head and spiritual experiences are part of that illusion but why we think we need to invoke such aggrandising terms is a mystery to me now. It wasn't then though, maybe because the highs were fresh and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Diane, you may not know this but this FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups list has been misappropriated by a number of people who with a culture of unkind abuse have methodically driven off most others who have expressed higher states of awareness. This is really not a very tolerant place for either diversity of experience or tolerance for diverse viewpoint. You may have to look further and elsewhere to find the depth that you wish to survey for. This FFL yahoo-group list as it has devolved is quite unfriendly to spiritual experience. Best of regards for your research project, -in Fairfield, Iowa Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means, both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual practise. And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that. So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? Be the change you want to see on FFL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote : Dear Friend of the TM Community, I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g. prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences, drug-occasioned etc.). Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and meaningful experiences. REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY: 1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally meaningful experience. 2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion. 3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution to science. We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and letting others know about it. The survey link is here: Survey -- Higher States of Consciousness http://www.encounteringthedivine.org/ Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., Principal Investigator Contact information:rgriff@... mailto:rgriff@... Professor, Departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine IRB approved application NA_00054696
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means, both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual practise. And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that. So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? Be the change you want to see on FFL Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Ha ha! That's great Barry!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but
some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means,
both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual
practise.
And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different
opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM
and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never
mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop
trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that.
So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual
experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of
self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome?
Be the change you want to see on FFL
Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been
following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any
spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
My complaints exactly. I didn't even bother starting the quiz because I was so
turned off by their sloppy use of phrases like God and ultimate reality and
the Divine. If the questions were like the intro, then in my opinion
they're stacking the deck of their study, and will find mainly what they've
enticed people to say with loaded language.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of
consciousness? Please FORWARD!
I think I did this survey before or something very similar. I was a TB at
the time and revelled in the depth of my god head experiences. This time I
can't stop quibbling about the terms like God or Ultimate reality, god is
nonsense ( or at least the idea that we can experience it using the stuff in
out heads, confuse it with some sort of god perhaps but it's all kiddology I
think)
But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve? Everything
I see is a virtual reality programme running in my head and spiritual
experiences are part of that illusion but why we think we need to invoke such
aggrandising terms is a mystery to me now. It wasn't then though, maybe because
the highs were fresh and exciting back in the day. So why would meditating feel
profound? If I read a book full of new and deeper explanations about physics it
can seem profound because I feel like I know something better than I did before
I formed the constructs of better understanding of something. So the machinery
for making me feel like something is profound is already there in my brain, so
is the feeling a reward for trying to pursue knowledge? What makes a meditative
experience, which is non-intellectual, a profound one when usually I have to
put on my mental climbing gear and scale someone else's abstract thoughts? Is
it simply because I think I see more and therefore know more?
We can't see ultimate reality but rather something that seems like what lies
beyond, or underpins our conscious experience but is more neural noise I'll
wager, some part of the brain that usually works in concert with the rest to
create the ego trick of experience suddenly has less to work with and expands
to fill the awareness and amazes with it's novelty so we ascribe qualities to
it that it doesn't have. Or something like that.
They also dismiss drug induced experiences from the study but they are rather
similar and should be compared and collated I think, it's all chemicals in both
types of experience after all. And are people who have taken drugs more likely
to have good meditative experiences.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote :
Dear Friend of the TM Community,
I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins
School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based
survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States
of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition
might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better
understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of
such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of
responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and
how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g.
prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences,
drug-occasioned etc.).
Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken
on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive
comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey
questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and
meaningful experiences.
REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY:
1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally
meaningful experience.
2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal
transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic
of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion.
3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution
to science.
We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and
letting others know about it.
The survey link is here:Survey -- Higher States of Consciousness
Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., Principal Investigator
Contact information: rgriff@...
Professor, Departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
IRB approved application NA_00054696
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
I think I did this survey before or something very similar. I was a TB at the time and revelled in the depth of my god head experiences. This time I can't stop quibbling about the terms like God or Ultimate reality, god is nonsense ( or at least the idea that we can experience it using the stuff in out heads, confuse it with some sort of god perhaps but it's all kiddology I think) But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve? Everything I see is a virtual reality programme running in my head and spiritual experiences are part of that illusion but why we think we need to invoke such aggrandising terms is a mystery to me now. It wasn't then though, maybe because the highs were fresh and exciting back in the day. So why would meditating feel profound? If I read a book full of new and deeper explanations about physics it can seem profound because I feel like I know something better than I did before I formed the constructs of better understanding of something. So the machinery for making me feel like something is profound is already there in my brain, so is the feeling a reward for trying to pursue knowledge? What makes a meditative experience, which is non-intellectual, a profound one when usually I have to put on my mental climbing gear and scale someone else's abstract thoughts? Is it simply because I think I see more and therefore know more? We can't see ultimate reality but rather something that seems like what lies beyond, or underpins our conscious experience but is more neural noise I'll wager, some part of the brain that usually works in concert with the rest to create the ego trick of experience suddenly has less to work with and expands to fill the awareness and amazes with it's novelty so we ascribe qualities to it that it doesn't have. Or something like that. They also dismiss drug induced experiences from the study but they are rather similar and should be compared and collated I think, it's all chemicals in both types of experience after all. And are people who have taken drugs more likely to have good meditative experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote : Dear Friend of the TM Community, I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g. prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences, drug-occasioned etc.). Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and meaningful experiences. REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY: 1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally meaningful experience. 2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion. 3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution to science. We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and letting others know about it. The survey link is here: Survey -- Higher States of Consciousness http://www.encounteringthedivine.org/ Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., Principal Investigator Contact information:rgriff@... mailto:rgriff@... Professor, Departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine IRB approved application NA_00054696
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Re But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve?: It would be an experience of pure consciousness - pure subjectivity. I put experience in scare quotes because in this case there is no division between an experiencer and the experience, as is usually the case. And the tasting of a pure state of consciousness would indeed be an experience of ultimate reality because literally everything else is simply a modification of consciousness. Can one not be too - way, way too - humble about this whole issue? If experiencing ultimate reality isn't the most blindingly obvious, undeniable event it can't have been ultimate reality one experienced! Isn't that logically irrefutable? The neural noise you refer to must be noticed by an awareness to be noise so must itself be an object. It's the awareness that is ultimate and it is completely and totally empty and boundless (what could enclose it?). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I think I did this survey before or something very similar. I was a TB at the time and revelled in the depth of my god head experiences. This time I can't stop quibbling about the terms like God or Ultimate reality, god is nonsense ( or at least the idea that we can experience it using the stuff in out heads, confuse it with some sort of god perhaps but it's all kiddology I think) But what would an experience of ultimate reality actually involve? Everything I see is a virtual reality programme running in my head and spiritual experiences are part of that illusion but why we think we need to invoke such aggrandising terms is a mystery to me now. It wasn't then though, maybe because the highs were fresh and exciting back in the day. So why would meditating feel profound? If I read a book full of new and deeper explanations about physics it can seem profound because I feel like I know something better than I did before I formed the constructs of better understanding of something. So the machinery for making me feel like something is profound is already there in my brain, so is the feeling a reward for trying to pursue knowledge? What makes a meditative experience, which is non-intellectual, a profound one when usually I have to put on my mental climbing gear and scale someone else's abstract thoughts? Is it simply because I think I see more and therefore know more? We can't see ultimate reality but rather something that seems like what lies beyond, or underpins our conscious experience but is more neural noise I'll wager, some part of the brain that usually works in concert with the rest to create the ego trick of experience suddenly has less to work with and expands to fill the awareness and amazes with it's novelty so we ascribe qualities to it that it doesn't have. Or something like that. They also dismiss drug induced experiences from the study but they are rather similar and should be compared and collated I think, it's all chemicals in both types of experience after all. And are people who have taken drugs more likely to have good meditative experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote : Dear Friend of the TM Community, I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g. prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences, drug-occasioned etc.). Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and meaningful experiences. REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY: 1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally meaningful experience. 2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion. 3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution to science. We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and letting others know about it. The survey link is here: Survey -- Higher
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So, how's that levitation technique coming along? Apparently you failed to get enlightened in 5-7 years and you never produced a single enlightened student in over three decades. We look forward to your demonstration. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM. :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means, both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual practise. And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that. So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? Be the change you want to see on FFL
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God Damn, if it isn't the same boring content from two biggest whiners this site has seen since its inception. Doug posts something, and then the scrum begins. Barry: Sal, what we need here is content. Content, I say, with a capital C. Sal: Yes, content is what is needed. Please bless us with your wonderful agenda posting. It has been so enlightening all these years. I am bereft, that I missed many of those years. Barry: It's simple. As you have shown proper adulation of my posting abilities, I will bless you with my patented formula. However, it must be revealed to no one. No one, you hear. Sal: Oh, yes, yes, sir, Please reveal it sir, reveal it without delay. Barry: Calm down, my child. I peruse the internet. I ask myself, h, can I make an anti TM connection to something I find. It can be anything. . If so, wham, bam, thank you ma'am. But, but, now listen carefully. If no TM connection can be made, I can thereby, now listen up, make an anti USA connection. Hold on, let me pat myself on the back. Sal: Master!, oh my Master, your brilliance is unmatched! Barry: Wait! I'm not through. I can, if I don't care to make one of those connections, I can, just for the hell of it, accuse, someone, anyone actually, it really doesn't matter, of being a cult apologist. Sal: We are not worthy, master, we are not worthy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means, both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual practise. And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that. So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? Be the change you want to see on FFL Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary substance, the so-called 'fly agaric, mentioned by Carlos Castaneda in his book, 'A Yaqui Way of Knowledge'. Confessions of a Taco Eater http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm Confessions of a Taco Eater http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm Note: Text in parentheses indicate posted messages to Usenet. Chapter One - Tejas Wallah, 'The Taco Eater' View on www.rwilliams.us http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ...the only ones that have never mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that. Non sequitur. You are supposed to read the messages posted to the forum BEFORE you post your own comments. So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome? Non sequitur. Be the change you want to see on FFL Non sequitur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Diane, you may not know this but this FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups list has been misappropriated by a number of people who with a culture of unkind abuse have methodically driven off most others who have expressed higher states of awareness. This is really not a very tolerant place for either diversity of experience or tolerance for diverse viewpoint. You may have to look further and elsewhere to find the depth that you wish to survey for. This FFL yahoo-group list as it has devolved is quite unfriendly to spiritual experience. Best of regards for your research project, -in Fairfield, Iowa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Hallucination is really the crux of the matter. The basic premise of
'enlightenment' is we are somehow not experiencing reality but some kind of
hallucination. Once we get that idea in our head we become a seeker, looking
for a way out of the hallucination, but the basic problem here is we are
seeking enlightenment while under the influence of the hallucination, so it
would seem to be am extreme improbability that we could ever get out from under
it. Obviously then, as a seeker, one is going to make lots of mistakes as to
the nature and success of the enterprise because we are under the influence of
the hallucinatory dream. In other words, the whole path as laid out by a
teacher, is in hallucinatory terms in our own minds, and if the teacher is
authentic, the teacher knows this too and so they will try to shape your
hallucination in a way to get you out from under it. But often it is a losing
battle because the student takes the teaching as reality rather than as a
method to get him/her to take the matter in his/her own hands and examine one's
own assumptions about the whole process.
While doing some tabulating of old posts on FFL, I came across a comment Barry
made to Judy, maybe 10 years ago or so. To paraphrase it, it was something like
'you prefer consistency to reality, reality is messy'. Doug too is trying to
maintain some kind of consistency in his unimaginative one-note rants, but
reality is not co-operating, it keeps trying to show him the world is
variegated beyond his own individual desires. It gives us opportunities to
explore and riff on ideas based on his simple rants, and we can do this by
branching off on just about any subject related to the concept of
enlightenment. But Doug never varies, staying in a self-imposed rut, a mental
prison based on a desire for consistency to a few ideas. Reality is a paradox
because it contains stability and non-stability both, and we remain in a prison
of our own making when we try to hold onto one side or the other of that
paradox; when we want change it throws stagnation at us, and when we want
stability, it pulls the rug out from under our feet.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states
of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Another serious hallucination from Buck. This place was never hijacked but
some people joined with - gasp - different opinions about what it all means,
both the TM organisation and the experiences that result from regular spiritual
practise.
And it has to be said that the so-called neganauts (people with different
opinions to Doug) have all talked at length about spiritual experiences with TM
and various other techniques and drugs. In fact, the only ones that have never
mentioned their own visions on the path are the three whiners who never stop
trying to drag the place down. They know who they are. Funny that.
So here's a challenge for you Doug, I've talked at length about my spiritual
experiences, why don't you have a go and share the obviously vast amount of
self-knowledge you must have gained from a lifetime sitting in the dome?
Be the change you want to see on FFL
Yeah, like that will happen. At this point, pretty much everyone who has been
following the forum knows that the only people here actually *having* any
spiritual experiences to talk about are the ones who gave up on TM. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] While doing some tabulating of old posts on FFL, I came across a comment Barry made to Judy, maybe 10 years ago or so. To paraphrase it, it was something like 'you prefer consistency to reality, reality is messy'. Doug too is trying to maintain some kind of consistency in his unimaginative one-note rants, but reality is not co-operating, it keeps trying to show him the world is variegated beyond his own individual desires. It gives us opportunities to explore and riff on ideas based on his simple rants, and we can do this by branching off on just about any subject related to the concept of enlightenment. But Doug never varies, staying in a self-imposed rut, a mental prison based on a desire for consistency to a few ideas. Reality is a paradox because it contains stability and non-stability both, and we remain in a prison of our own making when we try to hold onto one side or the other of that paradox; when we want change it throws stagnation at us, and when we want stability, it pulls the rug out from under our feet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Diane: You're assuming somebody in the higher state of Consciousness would have a motive to talk about it. http://www.sanskritclassics.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
neti, neti Koot Hoomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koot_Hoomi#/media/File:Koothoomi.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koot_Hoomi#/media/File:Koothoomi.jpg Koot Hoomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koot_Hoomi#/media/File:Koothoomi.jpg Koot Hoomi (also spelled Kuthumi, and frequently referred to simply as K.H.) is one of the Mahatmas that inspired the founding of the Theosophical Society. ... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koot_Hoomi#/media/File:Koothoomi.jpg Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Dear Diane, you may not know this but this FairfieldLife at yahoo-groups list has been misappropriated by a number of people who with a culture of unkind abuse have methodically driven off most others who have expressed higher states of awareness. This is really not a very tolerant place for either diversity of experience or tolerance for diverse viewpoint. You may have to look further and elsewhere to find the depth that you wish to survey for. This FFL yahoo-group list as it has devolved is quite unfriendly to spiritual experience. Best of regards for your research project, -in Fairfield, Iowa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote : Dear Friend of the TM Community, I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g. prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences, drug-occasioned etc.). Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and meaningful experiences. REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY: 1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally meaningful experience. 2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion. 3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution to science. We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and letting others know about it. The survey link is here: Survey -- Higher States of Consciousness http://www.encounteringthedivine.org/ Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., Principal Investigator Contact information:rgriff@... mailto:rgriff@... Professor, Departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine IRB approved application NA_00054696
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Roland Griffiths has done a lot of work on psychotropics and doesn't appear to
have a TM connection, so I'm in.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have you had an experience of higher states of
consciousness? Please FORWARD!
Dear Diane, you may not know this but this FairfieldLifeat yahoo-groups list
has been misappropriated by a number of peoplewho with a culture of unkind
abuse have methodically driven off mostothers who have expressed higher states
of awareness. This is reallynot a very tolerant place for either diversity of
experience or tolerance for diverse viewpoint. You may have to look further
andelsewhere to find the depth that you wish to survey for. This FFLyahoo-group
list as it has devolved is quite unfriendly to spiritual experience. Best of
regards for your research project, -inFairfield, Iowa
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arlingtonlife@... wrote :
Dear Friend of the TM Community,
I am writing to ask for your assistance. My colleagues and I at Johns Hopkins
School of Medicine are conducting a fascinating anonymous, internet-based
survey study to characterize experiences that some people have of Higher States
of Consciousness — something that someone from a different spiritual tradition
might all a personal encounter with The Divine. The study will permit a better
understanding about the phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects of
such encounters. Our hope is that, ultimately, we will receive thousands of
responses to the survey so that we can better understand such experiences and
how they may differ across faith traditions and occasioning events (e.g.
prayer, meditation, spontaneously-occurring, nature experiences,
drug-occasioned etc.).
Although the survey takes 30+ minutes to complete (depending on the time taken
on optional open-ended questions), we have received many spontaneous positive
comments from survey respondents who have said that answering the survey
questions prompted them to deepen their appreciation for these uplifting and
meaningful experiences.
REASONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY:
1. The survey is an opportunity to revisit an uplifting and personally
meaningful experience.
2. Because the survey questions prompt deep reflection on a seminal
transcendent experience, completing the survey may provide a fascinating topic
of discussion among people interested in meditation, spirituality or religion.
3. By telling their story, individuals will be making an important contribution
to science.
We would sincerely appreciate it if you would consider taking the survey and
letting others know about it.
The survey link is here:Survey -- Higher States of Consciousness
Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., Principal Investigator
Contact information: rgriff@...
Professor, Departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
IRB approved application NA_00054696
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