[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Poor Sal, I wonder at the extent of the abuse she forced herself to deny while wallowing in the seething snake pit of lefty sexism against Hillary and Palin. (snip) How blind hatred of men, makes us.. This is a correction of Robert's statement. He meant to say, How blind we are to blind hatred of women. We would align ourselves with Sarah(please save us)Palin, Alignment in what sense? Politically, no. Defending her and every woman against sexist attacks, yes. Just because of something that, stupid David Lettermen said, In one of his stupid 'East-Coast' sardonic wisdoms, of triviality... Now Miss Sarah, will really have a bone,to never let go of... Now, she's gonna be the 'Joan of Arc' of the woman's movement... Let's just 'Castrate them All!, girls... Wrong again, Robert. Feminists just want men to experience better functioning for both of their brains. Don't be so touchy about your boys. (pun intended) Ha, ha, ha, What a world, what a world... So easily manipulated by the clever Palin, having right-wing, nazi sympathizers, drool for her, at the rallies...saying: Yes, Sarah...yes, please show us a little skin... Oh, those tight leather jeans...too much, baby! Cher must be contibuting to her campaign Girl or Boy, we report, you decide! R.G. Seductress fantasies again, Robert? As I've said before, please, get a girlfriend or get some therapy for your sexual hang-ups.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: FYI Sal, this what a feminist looks like: http://tinyurl.com/ksscdd http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/this-is-what-a-feminist-looks-like/ Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. ++ She's speaking to her core base that feels maligned. She's playing the faux feminist . . . and the family-values representative. It's extraordinary that she can bring this off. ++ --- Letterman shouldn't apologize, if only to preserve the comedian's prerogative to satirize the powerful and to be offensive on occasion, says Erin Jackson, a rising local stand-up comic. People read things into jokes that you never meant and never intended, she says. If [Letterman] got into a cycle of apologizing for a joke or comment, you don't know where it would stop, or how far back you'd have to go to satisfy everyone. I don't think he can be who he is if he started doing that. Adds Jackson: When you give it to everyone equally, as Letterman does, as all the late-night people do, you kind of have to take it. It's like demanding an apology from the National Enquirer -- it's better to just get over it. ... In fact, Sunshine says, the Letterman-Palin skirmish has been good for both sides: Letterman gets a booster shot of media-whipped controversy at a moment when he could finally be poised to surge past Conan O'Brien and The Tonight Show for late-night TV supremacy, while Palin seized an opportunity to appeal to her base of conservatives. Letterman is a master of this, and he's milking it for all it's worth, Sunshine said, citing similar ratings-boosting feuds that Letterman has engaged in with McCain and Oprah Winfrey. But people often underestimate [Palin] and underestimate her following. She's exploiting this very smartly. She's speaking to her core base that feels maligned. She's playing the faux feminist . . . and the family-values representative. It's extraordinary that she can bring this off. Poor Mitt Romney, he adds. He's probably wondering, 'Where do I get some of this?' http://snipurl.com/k1jht [www_washingtonpost_com] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit. Alex, your theory is absurd, and nobody else feels this way except a few loonies. Take a look at the picture of Bristol and Willow in the website following, and see if they don't look alike. http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/813 And from that same article: Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News put it best when talking to Keith Olbermann last night on Countdown. David Letterman did not drag the 14-year-old daughter into this. The Palins dragged the 14-year-old daughter into it. And it was absolutely egregious. And they obviously hunger for this kind of melodrama. Just about anybody -- literally -- understood that when Letterman made the jokes about Alex Rodriguez and Eliot Spitzer, he was talking about Bristol, not Willow. If by some chance you believe Willow was the target, the jokes don't make sense, and Rodriguez and Spitzer would have excellent libel suits ready and willing to file against the late-night comedian. The Palins are shameless about using their kids as political props, and this is just one more fine example. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: snip [quoting WaPo:] Adds Jackson: When you give it to everyone equally, as Letterman does, as all the late-night people do, you kind of have to take it. It's like demanding an apology from the National Enquirer -- it's better to just get over it. ... What do.rkflex snipped: - Maybe so. But Letterman strayed into dangerous territory when he decided to poke fun at a public figure's child. Sen. John McCain learned this lesson in 1998 when he made a crude joke about Chelsea Clinton, then 18. He apologized, both to the president and in the press. On the other hand, Letterman wasn't talking about race, which has proved to be one of the most dangerous topics for comedy or commentary. Unlike racially charged comments that brought Imus, Gibson, Richards and Doug Greaseman Tracht low, Letterman's joke is milder and doesn't rise to a career-threatening level, says Ken Sunshine, a veteran New York public-relations executive. Which means, Sunshine says, that the pressure on Letterman to apologize publicly is low. - In other words, it's *safe* to make sexist jokes. If you make a joke that demeans blacks, you're in Big Trouble, but making jokes that demean women just isn't much of a problem--no apology required. No wonder do.rkflex snipped this part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: snip [quoting WaPo:] Adds Jackson: When you give it to everyone equally, as Letterman does, as all the late-night people do, you kind of have to take it. It's like demanding an apology from the National Enquirer -- it's better to just get over it. ... What do.rkflex snipped: - Maybe so. But Letterman strayed into dangerous territory when he decided to poke fun at a public figure's child. Sen. John McCain learned this lesson in 1998 when he made a crude joke about Chelsea Clinton, then 18. He apologized, both to the president and in the press. On the other hand, Letterman wasn't talking about race, which has proved to be one of the most dangerous topics for comedy or commentary. Unlike racially charged comments that brought Imus, Gibson, Richards and Doug Greaseman Tracht low, Letterman's joke is milder and doesn't rise to a career-threatening level, says Ken Sunshine, a veteran New York public-relations executive. Which means, Sunshine says, that the pressure on Letterman to apologize publicly is low. - In other words, it's *safe* to make sexist jokes. If you make a joke that demeans blacks, you're in Big Trouble, but making jokes that demean women just isn't much of a problem--no apology required. No wonder do.rkflex snipped this part. Selective memory disorder: http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: FYI Sal, this what a feminist looks like: http://tinyurl.com/ksscdd http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/this-is-what-a-feminist-looks-like/ Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. Ooops! Hit a nerve She's speaking to her core base that feels maligned. She's playing the faux feminist . . . and the family-values representative. It's extraordinary that she can bring this off. ++ --- Letterman shouldn't apologize, if only to preserve the comedian's prerogative to satirize the powerful and to be offensive on occasion, says Erin Jackson, a rising local stand-up comic. People read things into jokes that you never meant and never intended, she says. If [Letterman] got into a cycle of apologizing for a joke or comment, you don't know where it would stop, or how far back you'd have to go to satisfy everyone. I don't think he can be who he is if he started doing that. Adds Jackson: When you give it to everyone equally, as Letterman does, as all the late-night people do, you kind of have to take it. It's like demanding an apology from the National Enquirer -- it's better to just get over it. ... In fact, Sunshine says, the Letterman-Palin skirmish has been good for both sides: Letterman gets a booster shot of media-whipped controversy at a moment when he could finally be poised to surge past Conan O'Brien and The Tonight Show for late-night TV supremacy, while Palin seized an opportunity to appeal to her base of conservatives. Letterman is a master of this, and he's milking it for all it's worth, Sunshine said, citing similar ratings-boosting feuds that Letterman has engaged in with McCain and Oprah Winfrey. But people often underestimate [Palin] and underestimate her following. She's exploiting this very smartly. She's speaking to her core base that feels maligned. She's playing the faux feminist . . . and the family-values representative. It's extraordinary that she can bring this off. Poor Mitt Romney, he adds. He's probably wondering, 'Where do I get some of this?' http://snipurl.com/k1jht [www_washingtonpost_com] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit. Alex, your theory is absurd, and nobody else feels this way except a few loonies. Take a look at the picture of Bristol and Willow in the website following, and see if they don't look alike. http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/813 And from that same article: Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News put it best when talking to Keith Olbermann last night on Countdown. David Letterman did not drag the 14-year-old daughter into this. The Palins dragged the 14-year-old daughter into it. And it was absolutely egregious. And they obviously hunger for this kind of melodrama. Just about anybody -- literally -- understood that when Letterman made the jokes about Alex Rodriguez and Eliot Spitzer, he was talking about Bristol, not Willow. If by some chance you believe Willow was the target, the jokes don't make sense, and Rodriguez and Spitzer would have excellent libel suits ready and willing to file against the late-night comedian. The Palins are shameless about using their kids as political props, and this is just one more fine example. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:14 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. RD (and Judy) are so beaten down they don't realize how they're being played for fools. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: FYI Sal, this what a feminist looks like: http://tinyurl.com/ksscdd http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/this-is-what-a-feminist-looks-like/ Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. Actually, what's happening is that sexist pigs like do.rkflex are exploiting Palin's tendency to self- aggrandizement to disappear their own misogyny. Regardless of her motivations, Palin's objections to Letterman's foul sexism is on the nose. That's what has the misogynists' panties in such a twist. Letterman has exposed them--along with himself--for what they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:14 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. RD (and Judy) are so beaten down they don't realize how they're being played for fools. ROTFL!! This from someone who just plastered her face with several layers of egg suggesting that only fringe bloggers had any problem with Obama's defense of DOMA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:14 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Palin is just exploiting the issue for self-aggrandizement and self promotion with her wacko fringe base. RD (and Judy) are so beaten down they don't realize how they're being played for fools. Sal Those two seem to have a fanatic obsessive fixation on 'sexism' as if it's the primary basis for all of their personal disappointments in life and all the problems in the world. They don't seem to realize how creepy and repulsive THEY appear to others in the process. It'll be interesting to see how soon Judy uses up her posts displaying her usual perpetual signature self-righteous nastiness and ugliness toward others 'this' week. LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: snip Those two seem to have a fanatic obsessive fixation on 'sexism' Sexism, racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, anti- Muslimism, whichever form of bigotry happens to be showing its ugly face. as if it's the primary basis for all of their personal disappointments in life Um, no. Sexism has never been responsible for any of my personal disappointments in life (neither has any other type of bigotry, for that matter). and all the problems in the world. Bigotry of all types is responsible not for all but for many, many problems in the world. They don't seem to realize how creepy and repulsive THEY appear to others in the process. For some people, it's bigotry that appears creepy and repulsive. For others, it's objections to bigotry that appear creepy and repulsive. That's why it takes so long to get rid of bigotry: not everybody finds it creepy and repulsive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: snip Those two seem to have a fanatic obsessive fixation on 'sexism' Sexism, racism, homophobia, I guess people can develop phobias towards almost anything. So, I wonder if there is heterophobia amongst homosexuals? If there is, should it be classified as bigotry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: snip Those two seem to have a fanatic obsessive fixation on 'sexism' Sexism, racism, homophobia, I guess people can develop phobias towards almost anything. So, I wonder if there is heterophobia amongst homosexuals? If there is, should it be classified as bigotry? There is some, and it should be. From what I've seen, it's not common, though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
Hey, Raunch, Just to be fair, let me note that since I first started watching a 13 inch black and white TV in 1951, men have be portrayed in most family comedies as utter dipsticks, dolts, assholes, and blowhards. In TV land, it's nothing to show yet another family without a father, but motherless series are harder to find. In commercials that sell stuff to women, men are often shown to be mindless dupes who can be counted on to be big dumb jocks without a clue that'll swoon to any bottled smell. But you don't hear us guys complaining about it (my thorn to remove a thorn doesn't countnyah nyah.) In the classroom, if a girl is dumb, she's still excellent mother material, but if a boy is dumb, he's going to be a bad provider at the least. No woman executive has a dumb male secretary, but dumb women make excellent secretaries. See? Men are burdened with the onus of having to be smart or they'll dig a ditch for the rest of their lives. Women are, instead, given a domestic pedestal to pose upon and be highly thought of if they can at least keep their homes neat, the kids in school, and their husbands drained of jizz and money. Ahhh, why did it feel so good to write the above? Sexism everywhere -- not just against women. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: When is sexism acceptable? The answer should be never. Yet for many feminists in our country, only certain types of women have been worth defending. When a conservative woman is the target of an attack, many so-called feminists stay silent. This selective sexism, or speaking out against sexism on a case by case basis, does not advance our national dialogue on women's issues. Rather, selective sexism allows a dangerous level of permissible sexism to live and breed in our country. The only way for the women of this country to truly move forward is to unite and speak out against all forms of sexism regardless of party or the source of the attack. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-siskind/sexism-against-conservati_b_214248.html http://tinyurl.com/lca7rl I've previously defended Sarah Palin on this forum against sexist attacks during the election. David's Letterman's recent jokes about Palin and her daughter show how it is still acceptable in our culture for anyone going for a cheap shot laugh, the easiest target is usually a sexist joke about a woman. Fortunately, Letterman's least likely target would have been a racist joke about Obama. We have quite a way to go before sexist jokes are just as unacceptable as racist jokes. Letterman is getting a well deserved kick in the pants from several quarters. His low brow humor was so over the top he actually attempted to make a half-ass apology to Palin for it on his show. Even though I don't agree with her views on a woman's right to choose, or her politics, Sarah still deserves respect as a woman. Now that the election is over one would hope sexist attacks on her would just simply die out, apparently not. raunchydog
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:17 AM, raunchydog wrote: I've previously defended Sarah Palin on this forum against sexist attacks during the election. David's Letterman's recent jokes about Palin and her daughter show how it is still acceptable in our culture for anyone going for a cheap shot laugh, the easiest target is usually a sexist joke about a woman. Fortunately, Letterman's least likely target would have been a racist joke about Obama. We have quite a way to go before sexist jokes are just as unacceptable as racist jokes. Letterman is getting a well deserved kick in the pants from several quarters. His low brow humor was so over the top he actually attempted to make a half-ass apology to Palin for it on his show. Even though I don't agree with her views on a woman's right to choose, or her politics, Sarah still deserves respect as a woman. Now that the election is over one would hope sexist attacks on her would just simply die out, apparently not. Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Here's Letterman's response to Palin's complaints: Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfJM7bMkac
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, do.rflex wrote: Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Exactly. And rd and others like her can't see how they're being manipulated--how the right wing often times uses women to put forth their creepiest, most harmful views knowing that their gender will, to a certain degree, innoculate them agains criticism. rd is playing right into that sick game. Here's Letterman's response to Palin's complaints: Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfJM7bMkac Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
Edg, I absolutely agree with you about stereotypes the media perpetuate against men as well as women. I also object to TV programing that portrays African Americans as pimps, drug dealers and thugs. Who benefits from such wayward commercial marketing and debasing of human beings that pits on group against another, that makes us hate each other and ourselves? What's your take on it? Is it just innocent programing to make a buck? I certainly believe in free speech, and I'm opposed to censorship of entertainment and the arts. But just as we don't allow our children access to pornography, as a culture I believe we can and must make more intelligent choices for ourselves by raising awareness and denouncing instances of sexist as well as racist stereotypes. We have become a society of voyeurs, watching the train-wreck of mutual destruction. So inured are we to the self-inflicted damage we do to each other, David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. How small, how shallow we are that we are so trained, so jaded that we accept such a low opinion of women that we so easily laugh at misogynistic humor. Pathetic. The reason I defend women more vigorously than men is that the sexism against women is at the root of violence against women. If men endure jokes about stereotypical buffoonery, I don't see instances of it engendering violence against them. And there's the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Hey, Raunch, Just to be fair, let me note that since I first started watching a 13 inch black and white TV in 1951, men have be portrayed in most family comedies as utter dipsticks, dolts, assholes, and blowhards. In TV land, it's nothing to show yet another family without a father, but motherless series are harder to find. In commercials that sell stuff to women, men are often shown to be mindless dupes who can be counted on to be big dumb jocks without a clue that'll swoon to any bottled smell. But you don't hear us guys complaining about it (my thorn to remove a thorn doesn't countnyah nyah.) In the classroom, if a girl is dumb, she's still excellent mother material, but if a boy is dumb, he's going to be a bad provider at the least. No woman executive has a dumb male secretary, but dumb women make excellent secretaries. See? Men are burdened with the onus of having to be smart or they'll dig a ditch for the rest of their lives. Women are, instead, given a domestic pedestal to pose upon and be highly thought of if they can at least keep their homes neat, the kids in school, and their husbands drained of jizz and money. Ahhh, why did it feel so good to write the above? Sexism everywhere -- not just against women. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: When is sexism acceptable? The answer should be never. Yet for many feminists in our country, only certain types of women have been worth defending. When a conservative woman is the target of an attack, many so-called feminists stay silent. This selective sexism, or speaking out against sexism on a case by case basis, does not advance our national dialogue on women's issues. Rather, selective sexism allows a dangerous level of permissible sexism to live and breed in our country. The only way for the women of this country to truly move forward is to unite and speak out against all forms of sexism regardless of party or the source of the attack. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-siskind/sexism-against-conservati_b_214248.html http://tinyurl.com/lca7rl I've previously defended Sarah Palin on this forum against sexist attacks during the election. David's Letterman's recent jokes about Palin and her daughter show how it is still acceptable in our culture for anyone going for a cheap shot laugh, the easiest target is usually a sexist joke about a woman. Fortunately, Letterman's least likely target would have been a racist joke about Obama. We have quite a way to go before sexist jokes are just as unacceptable as racist jokes. Letterman is getting a well deserved kick in the pants from several quarters. His low brow humor was so over the top he actually attempted to make a half-ass apology to Palin for it on his show. Even though I don't agree with her views on a woman's right to choose, or her politics, Sarah still deserves respect as a woman. Now that the election is over one would hope sexist attacks on her would just simply die out, apparently not. raunchydog
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, raunchydog wrote: I certainly believe in free speech, As long as it doesn't conflict with your narrow definition, right? and I'm opposed to censorship of entertainment and the arts. But just as we don't allow our children access to pornography, We' were talking about adults...or is the idea that throwing in a little NS showing your non-existant, hypciritcal concern for kids...oh, the children! We must protect the children!... will innoculate you? Dream on. as a culture I believe we can and must make more intelligent choices for ourselves by raising awareness and denouncing instances of sexist as well as racist stereotypes. We have become a society of voyeurs, watching the train-wreck of mutual destruction. So inured are we to the self-inflicted damage we do to each other, David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. How small, how shallow we are that we are so trained, so jaded that we accept such a low opinion of women that we so easily laugh at misogynistic humor. Pathetic. You certainly are. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, do.rflex wrote: Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going Sal, you missed the punchline. The joke is on you. As a woman, if you think a sexist joke about a woman has nothing to do with you, you deserve as much respect as you think Palin deserves. to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Exactly. And rd and others like her can't see how they're being manipulated--how the right wing often times uses women to put forth their creepiest, most harmful views knowing that their gender will, to a certain degree, innoculate them agains criticism. rd is playing right into that sick game. Oh please. There is plenty to criticize Palin about without resorting to sexism. No inoculation is necessary. How ridiculous can you get, do.rflex? The only sick game I have seen lately has come from the left attacking women, Hillary and Palin for their sex because they stupidly think it's easier and more effective to create hate than offer an intelligent debate on the issues. Perhaps it is easier and more effective in the short run, but in the long run it damages respect for ALL women. Here's Letterman's response to Palin's complaints: Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfJM7bMkac Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, do.rflex wrote: Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going Sal, you missed the punchline. The joke is on you. As a woman, if you think a sexist joke about a woman has nothing to do with you, you deserve as much respect as you think Palin deserves. to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Exactly. And rd and others like her can't see how they're being manipulated--how the right wing often times uses women to put forth their creepiest, most harmful views knowing that their gender will, to a certain degree, innoculate them agains criticism. rd is playing right into that sick game. Oh please. There is plenty to criticize Palin about without resorting to sexism. No inoculation is necessary. How ridiculous can you get, do.rflex? The only sick game I have seen lately has come from the left attacking women, Hillary and Palin for their sex because they stupidly think it's easier and more effective to create hate than offer an intelligent debate on the issues. Perhaps it is easier and more effective in the short run, but in the long run it damages respect for ALL women. The reality is that creepy women like Sarah Palin damage respect for ALL women. Angry, bitter extremists with chips on their shoulders like you don't help either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Edg, I absolutely agree with you about stereotypes the media perpetuate against men as well as women. I also object to TV programing that portrays African Americans as pimps, drug dealers and thugs. Who benefits from such wayward commercial marketing and debasing of human beings that pits on group against another, that makes us hate each other and ourselves? What's your take on it? Is it just innocent programing to make a buck? My take is that the Illuminati are operating at max revs. The masses are kept blinkered, and any conspiracy theory about the powers behind the scenes is not easily discounted when we see that money is behind ALL -- ALL of the world's problems. Keeping everyone at each other's throat is what they do. That, and get everyone in debt. Edg I certainly believe in free speech, and I'm opposed to censorship of entertainment and the arts. But just as we don't allow our children access to pornography, as a culture I believe we can and must make more intelligent choices for ourselves by raising awareness and denouncing instances of sexist as well as racist stereotypes. We have become a society of voyeurs, watching the train-wreck of mutual destruction. So inured are we to the self-inflicted damage we do to each other, David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. How small, how shallow we are that we are so trained, so jaded that we accept such a low opinion of women that we so easily laugh at misogynistic humor. Pathetic. The reason I defend women more vigorously than men is that the sexism against women is at the root of violence against women. If men endure jokes about stereotypical buffoonery, I don't see instances of it engendering violence against them. And there's the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Raunch, Just to be fair, let me note that since I first started watching a 13 inch black and white TV in 1951, men have be portrayed in most family comedies as utter dipsticks, dolts, assholes, and blowhards. In TV land, it's nothing to show yet another family without a father, but motherless series are harder to find. In commercials that sell stuff to women, men are often shown to be mindless dupes who can be counted on to be big dumb jocks without a clue that'll swoon to any bottled smell. But you don't hear us guys complaining about it (my thorn to remove a thorn doesn't countnyah nyah.) In the classroom, if a girl is dumb, she's still excellent mother material, but if a boy is dumb, he's going to be a bad provider at the least. No woman executive has a dumb male secretary, but dumb women make excellent secretaries. See? Men are burdened with the onus of having to be smart or they'll dig a ditch for the rest of their lives. Women are, instead, given a domestic pedestal to pose upon and be highly thought of if they can at least keep their homes neat, the kids in school, and their husbands drained of jizz and money. Ahhh, why did it feel so good to write the above? Sexism everywhere -- not just against women. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: When is sexism acceptable? The answer should be never. Yet for many feminists in our country, only certain types of women have been worth defending. When a conservative woman is the target of an attack, many so-called feminists stay silent. This selective sexism, or speaking out against sexism on a case by case basis, does not advance our national dialogue on women's issues. Rather, selective sexism allows a dangerous level of permissible sexism to live and breed in our country. The only way for the women of this country to truly move forward is to unite and speak out against all forms of sexism regardless of party or the source of the attack. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-siskind/sexism-against-conservati_b_214248.html http://tinyurl.com/lca7rl I've previously defended Sarah Palin on this forum against sexist attacks during the election. David's Letterman's recent jokes about Palin and her daughter show how it is still acceptable in our culture for anyone going for a cheap shot laugh, the easiest target is usually a sexist joke about a woman. Fortunately, Letterman's least likely target would have been a racist joke about Obama. We have quite a way to go before sexist jokes are just as unacceptable as racist jokes. Letterman is getting a well deserved kick in the pants from several quarters. His low brow humor was so over the top he actually attempted to make a half-ass apology to Palin for it on his show. Even though I don't agree with her views on a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, raunchydog wrote: David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, do.rflex wrote: Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going Sal, you missed the punchline. The joke is on you. As a woman, if you think a sexist joke about a woman has nothing to do with you, you deserve as much respect as you think Palin deserves. to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Exactly. And rd and others like her can't see how they're being manipulated--how the right wing often times uses women to put forth their creepiest, most harmful views knowing that their gender will, to a certain degree, innoculate them agains criticism. rd is playing right into that sick game. Oh please. There is plenty to criticize Palin about without resorting to sexism. No inoculation is necessary. How ridiculous can you get, do.rflex? The only sick game I have seen lately has come from the left attacking women, Hillary and Palin for their sex because they stupidly think it's easier and more effective to create hate than offer an intelligent debate on the issues. Perhaps it is easier and more effective in the short run, but in the long run it damages respect for ALL women. The reality is that creepy women like Sarah Palin damage respect for ALL women. Angry, bitter extremists with chips on their shoulders like you don't help either. What's REALLY creepy is that you don't see that leftwing extremism, represented by Obama's water carrying blogger boyz, demonized Palin viciously for her sex when they could easily have criticized her on the issues. They and everyone who participated in sexist attacks on her only succeeded in making themselves look like sexist assholes. You delude yourself if you think Palin or any woman deserves the vile crap you flung at her. Geez, talk about thick!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Edg, I absolutely agree with you about stereotypes the media perpetuate against men as well as women. I also object to TV programing that portrays African Americans as pimps, drug dealers and thugs. Who benefits from such wayward commercial marketing and debasing of human beings that pits on group against another, that makes us hate each other and ourselves? What's your take on it? Is it just innocent programing to make a buck? My take is that the Illuminati are operating at max revs. The masses are kept blinkered, and any conspiracy theory about the powers behind the scenes is not easily discounted when we see that money is behind ALL -- ALL of the world's problems. Keeping everyone at each other's throat is what they do. That, and get everyone in debt. Edg Yep, just as I thought. Edg, you're a man after my own heart. Conspiracy theories, doncha love it? Follow the money. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074119/quotes I certainly believe in free speech, and I'm opposed to censorship of entertainment and the arts. But just as we don't allow our children access to pornography, as a culture I believe we can and must make more intelligent choices for ourselves by raising awareness and denouncing instances of sexist as well as racist stereotypes. We have become a society of voyeurs, watching the train-wreck of mutual destruction. So inured are we to the self-inflicted damage we do to each other, David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. How small, how shallow we are that we are so trained, so jaded that we accept such a low opinion of women that we so easily laugh at misogynistic humor. Pathetic. The reason I defend women more vigorously than men is that the sexism against women is at the root of violence against women. If men endure jokes about stereotypical buffoonery, I don't see instances of it engendering violence against them. And there's the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Hey, Raunch, Just to be fair, let me note that since I first started watching a 13 inch black and white TV in 1951, men have be portrayed in most family comedies as utter dipsticks, dolts, assholes, and blowhards. In TV land, it's nothing to show yet another family without a father, but motherless series are harder to find. In commercials that sell stuff to women, men are often shown to be mindless dupes who can be counted on to be big dumb jocks without a clue that'll swoon to any bottled smell. But you don't hear us guys complaining about it (my thorn to remove a thorn doesn't countnyah nyah.) In the classroom, if a girl is dumb, she's still excellent mother material, but if a boy is dumb, he's going to be a bad provider at the least. No woman executive has a dumb male secretary, but dumb women make excellent secretaries. See? Men are burdened with the onus of having to be smart or they'll dig a ditch for the rest of their lives. Women are, instead, given a domestic pedestal to pose upon and be highly thought of if they can at least keep their homes neat, the kids in school, and their husbands drained of jizz and money. Ahhh, why did it feel so good to write the above? Sexism everywhere -- not just against women. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: When is sexism acceptable? The answer should be never. Yet for many feminists in our country, only certain types of women have been worth defending. When a conservative woman is the target of an attack, many so-called feminists stay silent. This selective sexism, or speaking out against sexism on a case by case basis, does not advance our national dialogue on women's issues. Rather, selective sexism allows a dangerous level of permissible sexism to live and breed in our country. The only way for the women of this country to truly move forward is to unite and speak out against all forms of sexism regardless of party or the source of the attack. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-siskind/sexism-against-conservati_b_214248.html http://tinyurl.com/lca7rl I've previously defended Sarah Palin on this forum against sexist attacks during the election. David's Letterman's recent jokes about Palin and her daughter show how it is still acceptable in our culture for anyone going for a cheap shot laugh, the easiest target is usually a sexist joke about a woman. Fortunately, Letterman's least likely target would have been a racist joke about Obama. We have quite a way to go before
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, do.rflex wrote: I don't care whether Palin's a woman or a man - she's a totally creepy human being. And because she's put herself and her family soap opera so prominently on display in the public arena to the level of running for VP of the USA and now possibly President, I don't mind at all that her intellectual ineptitude, ugly character and clownish Harper Valley PTA life is ridiculed. Bingo. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, do.rflex wrote: Apparently you're too dumb yourself to see what is perfectly obvious, rd...that if someone, like Palin, for example, does everything she can to keep women (and others) down, to make their lives as miserable and as unequal as possible...then when she becomes the target of jokes that she herself has helped make semi-fashionable, there's a certain poetic justice in that. People are not going Sal, you missed the punchline. The joke is on you. As a woman, if you think a sexist joke about a woman has nothing to do with you, you deserve as much respect as you think Palin deserves. to defend someone who the next minute will turn around and call their daughters sluts for doing the exact same thing her daughter did. Palin deserves no respect, either as a woman or anything else. Deal with it. Sal In my view, Sarah Palin's overall ugly character and hypocritical 'family values' she displays in the public arena does women a gross disservice. I think she's a creepy human being. The kind of jokes Letterman told aboput her were no different that any he's told thousands of times about BOTH men and women. That's what late night comedians DO!!! Exactly. And rd and others like her can't see how they're being manipulated--how the right wing often times uses women to put forth their creepiest, most harmful views knowing that their gender will, to a certain degree, innoculate them agains criticism. rd is playing right into that sick game. Oh please. There is plenty to criticize Palin about without resorting to sexism. No inoculation is necessary. How ridiculous can you get, do.rflex? The only sick game I have seen lately has come from the left attacking women, Hillary and Palin for their sex because they stupidly think it's easier and more effective to create hate than offer an intelligent debate on the issues. Perhaps it is easier and more effective in the short run, but in the long run it damages respect for ALL women. The reality is that creepy women like Sarah Palin damage respect for ALL women. Angry, bitter extremists with chips on their shoulders like you don't help either. What's REALLY creepy is that you don't see that leftwing extremism, represented by Obama's water carrying blogger boyz, demonized Palin viciously for her sex when they could easily have criticized her on the issues. They and everyone who participated in sexist attacks on her only succeeded in making themselves look like sexist assholes. You delude yourself if you think Palin or any woman deserves the vile crap you flung at her. Geez, talk about thick! In my view you're overblowing the 'sexism' issue completely out of proportion to reality. That's what angry, bitter fanatics do when they carry a big chip on their shoulders. I don't care whether Palin's a woman or a man - she's a totally creepy human being. And because she's put herself and her family soap opera so prominently on display in the public arena to the level of running for VP of the USA and now possibly President, I don't mind at all that her intellectual ineptitude, ugly character and clownish Harper Valley PTA life is ridiculed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
Poor Sal, I wonder at the extent of the abuse she forced herself to deny while wallowing in the seething snake pit of lefty sexism against Hillary and Palin. Stockholm syndrome, me thinks. What else could explain such ignorant cheer leading for sexist abuse of women? Sal, don't you know that being a pathetic lefty shill for sexist assholes who would just as soon call you a cunt and watch you getting fucked by a donkey doesn't speak well for your self-respect? The left shamed Obama's campaign with their filth. Their stench still clings to him. Sal and every hateful sexist who ever claimed to be an Obama supporter should beg his forgiveness for being such idiots. Melissa McEwan at Shakesville documented sexist attacks on Hillary, and she did the same Palin. [Sarah Palin Sexism Watch: Parts One http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -1.html , Two http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -2.html , Three http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -3.html , Four http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -4.html , Five http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-misogyny-wat\ ch-5.html , Six http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -6.html , Seven http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -7.html , Eight http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -8.html , Nine http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/clinton-sexism-watch-110\ -palin-sexism.html , Ten http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/clinton-sexism-watch-111\ -palin-sexism.html , Eleven http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -11.html , Twelve http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -12.html , Thirteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/from-are-you-fucking-kid\ ding-me-files.html , Fourteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -14.html , Fifteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -15.html , Sixteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -16.html , Seventeen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sexism-watchapalooza.htm\ l , Eighteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -18.html , Nineteen http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sexism-doesnt-happen-in-\ void.html , Twenty http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch\ -20.html . We defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we endorse her or her politics, but because that's how feminism works http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-feminism-works.html .] http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-sexism-watch-\ 21.html http://tinyurl.com/ngltpx --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, do.rflex wrote: I don't care whether Palin's a woman or a man - she's a totally creepy human being. And because she's put herself and her family soap opera so prominently on display in the public arena to the level of running for VP of the USA and now possibly President, I don't mind at all that her intellectual ineptitude, ugly character and clownish Harper Valley PTA life is ridiculed. Bingo. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
Alex, thanks for setting the record straight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, raunchydog wrote: David Letterman thinks nothing of making a joke that implies the rape of Palin's 14 year-old daughter. He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit. Alex, your theory is absurd, and nobody else feels this way except a few loonies. Take a look at the picture of Bristol and Willow in the website following, and see if they don't look alike. http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/813 And from that same article: Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News put it best when talking to Keith Olbermann last night on Countdown. David Letterman did not drag the 14-year-old daughter into this. The Palins dragged the 14-year-old daughter into it. And it was absolutely egregious. And they obviously hunger for this kind of melodrama. Just about anybody -- literally -- understood that when Letterman made the jokes about Alex Rodriguez and Eliot Spitzer, he was talking about Bristol, not Willow. If by some chance you believe Willow was the target, the jokes don't make sense, and Rodriguez and Spitzer would have excellent libel suits ready and willing to file against the late-night comedian. The Palins are shameless about using their kids as political props, and this is just one more fine example. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit. Alex, your theory is absurd, and nobody else feels this way except a few loonies. Take a look at the picture of Bristol and Willow in the website following, and see if they don't look alike. In telling the joke, he did not specify the daughter by name. Perhaps, Letterman or his writers saw the picture and thought it was Bristol. Or, maybe they didn't adequately research the details about who was actually there. And, sure, logically the joke is about Bristol due to her history of getting knocked up. But, the fact remains that it was 14 year old Willow who was actually at the game that Letterman joked about. The joke and the current event it's based on are incongruous. It doesn't make sense that the sexual content of the joke was directed at Willow, but it doesn't make sense to joke about Bristol getting knocked up at the Yankees game when she wasn't even there. With so much of this not making sense, my advice to Letterman is to use the Chewbacca Defense: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1974564/chewbacca_defense/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
FYI Sal, this what a feminist looks like: http://tinyurl.com/ksscdd http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/this-is-what-a-feminist-looks-like/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: He was talking about Bristol, genius, which he explained and would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense. The joke was about Palin's daughter getting knocked up at a Yankees game during their recent trip to NY. Thing is, it was 14 year old Willow who attended that game, not Bristol. So it's not at all unreasonable to assume that the joke was about Willow getting knocked up. As much as I dislike Palin's politics, I perfectly understand her rejecting Letterman's apology as bullshit. Alex, your theory is absurd, and nobody else feels this way except a few loonies. Take a look at the picture of Bristol and Willow in the website following, and see if they don't look alike. http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/813 And from that same article: Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News put it best when talking to Keith Olbermann last night on Countdown. David Letterman did not drag the 14-year-old daughter into this. The Palins dragged the 14-year-old daughter into it. And it was absolutely egregious. And they obviously hunger for this kind of melodrama. Just about anybody -- literally -- understood that when Letterman made the jokes about Alex Rodriguez and Eliot Spitzer, he was talking about Bristol, not Willow. If by some chance you believe Willow was the target, the jokes don't make sense, and Rodriguez and Spitzer would have excellent libel suits ready and willing to file against the late-night comedian. The Palins are shameless about using their kids as political props, and this is just one more fine example. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letterman is a sexist pig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Poor Sal, I wonder at the extent of the abuse she forced herself to deny while wallowing in the seething snake pit of lefty sexism against Hillary and Palin. (snip) How blind hatred of men, makes us.. We would align ourselves with Sarah(please save us)Palin, Just because of something that, stupid David Lettermen said, In one of his stupid 'East-Coast' sardonic wisdoms, of triviality... Now Miss Sarah, will really have a bone,to never let go of... Now, she's gonna be the 'Joan of Arc' of the woman's movement... Let's just 'Castrate them All!, girls... Ha, ha, ha, What a world, what a world... So easily manipulated by the clever Palin, having right-wing, nazi sympathizers, drool for her, at the rallies...saying: Yes, Sarah...yes, please show us a little skin... Oh, those tight leather jeans...too much, baby! Cher must be contibuting to her campaign Girl or Boy, we report, you decide! R.G.
