[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen wrote: snip If there is some silent coup d'etat, it will be the end of Transcendental Meditation and the the last light of the brilliance of what the TM Movement once was (up to the ruling in the New Jersey case) will go out. Yes, and let's hope it doesn't coincide with the destruction of a nearby monastary. That would pretty much seal it. Actually, that's interesting you would say that, Steve, because the way I see it the ontological context of the universe changed around the time the Allies bombed Monte Cassino (1944). This is like Share's accident and yours. Some kind of synchronicity happening. And I thought you would be trying to get off a stunner that would deal with the meaning of my comments about Bevan versus JHagelin. Did you deal with my point of view about that? or was this reference the attempt to receive into yourself the merit of my argument? Anyhow, the coincidence is striking. I thought you knew about the Monte Cassino thing. Merry Christmas again, Steve. Watch that video. It comes from directly from God (through Bob Price). If you want the gold standard, read raunchy's response to BP. That is as good as it gets. And then you can, when you next have a funny to get off, think: Is this almost a good as raunchy's Christmas note to my friend Bob Price? Hey! just kidding, Steve. All is well and I will say hello to Santa in Manhattan for you. I am wrapping all my presents tonight. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water [respsone to Robin]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o This is not the right question, Card. If one posts on a forum like this one, it is *unnatural* not to see what everyone else is saying. Even about oneself. Is it your inclination *not* to read posts that are addressed personally to you, and which either challenge your views, or disparage your person? I think most persons posting on this forum are interested in expressing their opinions and judgments--that's why they post; that's why they read what others post. This response of yours, you think it answers to all the acrimonious debates that have raged here on FFL? You think it the *solution* to the fierce contesting of what is true, what is right, what is real? It is a small-minded idea and it cost you nothing. If people are cruel or unfair or dishonest--or if they are sincere or fair or honest: this means something. To propose what you do here, in what way does that possibly encompass what it means to be a human being with an investment in your beliefs and feeling for what should count in the universe? No one is forced even to read anything on FFL--or even post on FFL. Why not, since there is so much violent argument, just quit reading and writing on FFL? Why, in view of these intense disagreements, not have everyone just stop contributing to FFL *so it can just shut down*. When you make a suggestion like this, the criterion of is validity has to be: Does my suggestion somehow take in the reality and meaning of what happens on FFL in the controversy over who is right and who is wrong? It seems like a perfect solution--what you say here--but does it seem as if that would have prevented all the tension and disputation that seems so serious here on FFL? Again, in argument, in life, one wants to bring an idea or proposition that really gathers as much reality into itself, so that it is a just and sensible and *meaningful* idea. Yours is the equivalent of saying: Well, if you were hurt in love, why ever get romantic with someone again? If you don't like the NRA, why do you read about what they have to say about the massacre in Newtown? You would make your proposal something more significant and truthful than authfriend's sincerely felt analysis of the sweet and disinterested consciousness in Holland. If I read authfriend's post and then I read yours: Is is possible to believe that your post essentially makes authfriend's post (about the Holland guy) superfluous? Look at the response from Holland (to your post): this is the proof of how irrelevant and meaningless your admonition was. Hamlet is a tragedy--it makes people sad. Why not just read comedy? Hamlet did not make me sad. Robin, why must reality be somehow infused, or invested in what a person says? Thoughts come spontaneously. That should say something about whether we can actually control their content. If they come spontaneously, who is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water [response to Robin]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o This is not the right question, Card. If one posts on a forum like this one, it is *unnatural* not to see what everyone else is saying. Even about oneself. Is it your inclination *not* to read posts that are addressed personally to you, and which either challenge your views, or disparage your person? I think most persons posting on this forum are interested in expressing their opinions and judgments--that's why they post; that's why they read what others post. This response of yours, you think it answers to all the acrimonious debates that have raged here on FFL? You think it the *solution* to the fierce contesting of what is true, what is right, what is real? It is a small-minded idea and it cost you nothing. If people are cruel or unfair or dishonest--or if they are sincere or fair or honest: this means something. To propose what you do here, in what way does that possibly encompass what it means to be a human being with an investment in your beliefs and feeling for what should count in the universe? No one is forced even to read anything on FFL--or even post on FFL. Why not, since there is so much violent argument, just quit reading and writing on FFL? Why, in view of these intense disagreements, not have everyone just stop contributing to FFL *so it can just shut down*. When you make a suggestion like this, the criterion of is validity has to be: Does my suggestion somehow take in the reality and meaning of what happens on FFL in the controversy over who is right and who is wrong? It seems like a perfect solution--what you say here--but does it seem as if that would have prevented all the tension and disputation that seems so serious here on FFL? Again, in argument, in life, one wants to bring an idea or proposition that really gathers as much reality into itself, so that it is a just and sensible and *meaningful* idea. Yours is the equivalent of saying: Well, if you were hurt in love, why ever get romantic with someone again? If you don't like the NRA, why do you read about what they have to say about the massacre in Newtown? You would make your proposal something more significant and truthful than authfriend's sincerely felt analysis of the sweet and disinterested consciousness in Holland. If I read authfriend's post and then I read yours: Is is possible to believe that your post essentially makes authfriend's post (about the Holland guy) superfluous? Look at the response from Holland (to your post): this is the proof of how irrelevant and meaningless your admonition was. Hamlet is a tragedy--it makes people sad. Why not just read comedy? Hamlet did not make me sad. Robin, why must reality be somehow infused, or invested in what a person says? Thoughts come spontaneously. That should say something about whether we can actually control their content. If they come spontaneously, who is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water [response to Robin]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: When someone *identifies* themselves personally with their thoughts, those thoughts, inscribed in words on a page, they become the signature of who we are. No, I disagree, they become a signature of who you think you are. Exactly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Hey, wait a minute! You mean I'm the only one being forced by you to learn Vedic Sanskrit?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Card, sometimes it is unavoidable and what he writes spills over into so many other topics that you can't escape. Kind of like peeing in the pool - as long as you're in the water it's gonna touch you sooner or later.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Namaste (-: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 6:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Hey, wait a minute! You mean I'm the only one being forced by you to learn Vedic Sanskrit?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) [Cartoon angry man isolated on white background Stock Photo - 8576418]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
No, it is not pretty interesting. It is boring. You know why? Because you are SO predictable! I knew, and waited for the blowing sunshine up our butts post from you (see below), after I called you on your BS. I've seen it SO MANY times before. And your screwed up understanding of TANTRA was hilarious!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
That is the thing I noticed about Barry also; his cowardice. I would respect him a lot more if he would be open about his constant negative screeds. But he does have this phoney baloney idea of himself as a pretty awesome nice uplifting spiritually knowledgeable fellow, that he just retreats into. As I said earlier, the topic could be woodworking and he'd still find something to twist his nuts around (I like that image!). Since we are supposedly supposed to be seeking the truth relative or otherwise, here, I just don't see why cowards like him are supposed to get a free ride. He is like an impotent fool, fully dressed, at a nudist colony - making fun of others' exposures, but too terrified to take off the hazmat suit. In a word, a consummate bullshit artist. I don't like those types. Never have, and never will. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Yeah, I don't think I said anything about anybody being forced to read what anyone writes, did I? I believe the phrases I used were forced to endure and live with. It's hard to ignore as prolific a poster as Barry. Even if one doesn't read his original posts, chances are they'll be quoted and commented on. Plus which, card, you aren't one of his enemies. If you were, you might find you would want to at least scan his posts to see what lies he'd told about you, because he tells whoppers, and not everyone here is smart enough to know when he's lying. But Ann put it best: We're all swimming in this pool, and with Barry constantly peeing in it, you really can't avoid getting some of it on you, even if you close your eyes.
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Your reply here IS reply of the WEEK - I love simplicity - Barry describes his mental state, in contrast to his actions, and you plainly state the label that then must apply. The whole thing is brilliant! BARRY I have *never* -- not once -- felt pissed off and nasty during this last posting month on FFL. JUDY If that's really the case, then you're a psychopath. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. We *understand* that you don't get it. Could that possibly have something to do with the fact that you feel the need to classify the things you see into little good and bad boxes, and that you will NEVER, in ANY lifetime, understand the concept of Tantra -- the coexistence of and non-contradictory nature of seeming opposites? :-) Balderdash. We *understand* that you're full of it, Barry. We *understand* that you suffer from out-of- control rages. We *understand* that the only thing that makes you feel you exist is to crap all over people. We *understand* that your concept of Tantra is just an excuse you use to indulge in psychological sadism and has nothing to do with real Tantra. Be careful about announcing to the world the sad limitations of your ability to perceive that world. No, the issue is the limitations of your ability to control your behavior. It's one thing if you keep them to yourself and attempt to hide them, as many here do, That would be you. But we can all see them. but quite another when you lay them on everyone else and expect them to identify with the sad and often pitiful boundaries you impose upon yourself. Speaks the Master of Projection himself. I have *never* -- not once -- felt pissed off and nasty during this last posting month on FFL. If that's really the case, then you're a psychopath. If you believe that I have, that is what YOU project onto what I write, based on what YOU feel in *reaction* to what I write. No. No, what you write demonstrates how you feel almost all the time: pissed off and nasty and filled with hatred.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o This is not the right question, Card. If one posts on a forum like this one, it is *unnatural* not to see what everyone else is saying. Even about oneself. Is it your inclination *not* to read posts that are addressed personally to you, and which either challenge your views, or disparage your person? I think most persons posting on this forum are interested in expressing their opinions and judgments--that's why they post; that's why they read what others post. This response of yours, you think it answers to all the acrimonious debates that have raged here on FFL? You think it the *solution* to the fierce contesting of what is true, what is right, what is real? It is a small-minded idea and it cost you nothing. If people are cruel or unfair or dishonest--or if they are sincere or fair or honest: this means something. To propose what you do here, in what way does that possibly encompass what it means to be a human being with an investment in your beliefs and feeling for what should count in the universe? No one is forced even to read anything on FFL--or even post on FFL. Why not, since there is so much violent argument, just quit reading and writing on FFL? Why, in view of these intense disagreements, not have everyone just stop contributing to FFL *so it can just shut down*. When you make a suggestion like this, the criterion of is validity has to be: Does my suggestion somehow take in the reality and meaning of what happens on FFL in the controversy over who is right and who is wrong? It seems like a perfect solution--what you say here--but does it seem as if that would have prevented all the tension and disputation that seems so serious here on FFL? Again, in argument, in life, one wants to bring an idea or proposition that really gathers as much reality into itself, so that it is a just and sensible and *meaningful* idea. Yours is the equivalent of saying: Well, if you were hurt in love, why ever get romantic with someone again? If you don't like the NRA, why do you read about what they have to say about the massacre in Newtown? You would make your proposal something more significant and truthful than authfriend's sincerely felt analysis of the sweet and disinterested consciousness in Holland. If I read authfriend's post and then I read yours: Is is possible to believe that your post essentially makes authfriend's post (about the Holland guy) superfluous? Look at the response from Holland (to your post): this is the proof of how irrelevant and meaningless your admonition was. Hamlet is a tragedy--it makes people sad. Why not just read comedy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. Yes. It's a couple of hundred meters from where I live. Good Googling! Haarlemerstraat, at the upper left of the ariel view, is Leiden's main shopping drag. I went shopping on it today, with Paris and Pippin in their Christmas attire. The photo below shows them in their little reindeer antlers and Santa hat, but from an earlier Christmas in Paris, the city. The dogs are a bit greyer around the muzzle now, as am I. :-) [Barry';s Christmas Dogs] We were quite a hit. Stupidly, I forgot to bring my iPhone (same camera that took the other photo of the canal) with me, so I don't have any reaction shots of the often-dour Dutch cracking up and smiling. A few even laughed out loud. I consider that a win. Even though no one asked, dinner was smashing. We went to a Thai restaurant called Buddhas (http://www.buddhas.nl/ http://www.buddhas.nl/ ) and it was delightful -- one of the few Dutch restaurants I've found in which the food was worth what they were charging for it. Spain and France spoil you when it comes to eating out. After dinner we walked around and looked at the Christmas lights and at the skaters on the rink they have erected over the canal in front of the town hall. Not Rockefeller Center, but cool. Then I let the others walk home and I climbed up to the Citadel (a castle from the 11th century that is one of the oldest (and interestingly, since it is in the center of Leiden, one of the most silent areas of the city) and meditated for a while. [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2071/2115542556_1343492e48.jpg] Not because of the so-called Apocalypse, not because I wanted to tune in to some grand global W00 Woo Fest...just because I felt like meditating. It was an OK meditation, just your normal, every- day stuff like seeing visions of Shiva dancing Gangnam style with an unidentified Hindu goddess almost wearing the sexiest see- through sari I've ever seen, followed by God herself coming down for a chat, sharing a champagne glass full of soma with me and commending me for my infinite patience in dealing with FFL stalkers. Oh wait. That didn't happen. I must have been channeling that. That's what TMers might consider an OK meditation. :-) Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. Yes. It's a couple of hundred meters from where I live. Good Googling! Haarlemerstraat, at the upper left of the ariel view, is Leiden's main shopping drag. I went shopping on it today, with Paris and Pippin in their Christmas attire. The photo below shows them in their little reindeer antlers and Santa hat, but from an earlier Christmas in Paris, the city. The dogs are a bit greyer around the muzzle now, as am I. :-) [Barry';s Christmas Dogs] We were quite a hit. Stupidly, I forgot to bring my iPhone (same camera that took the other photo of the canal) with me, so I don't have any reaction shots of the often-dour Dutch cracking up and smiling. A few even laughed out loud. I consider that a win. Even though no one asked, dinner was smashing. We went to a Thai restaurant called Buddhas (http://www.buddhas.nl/ http://www.buddhas.nl/ ) and it was delightful -- one of the few Dutch restaurants I've found in which the food was worth what they were charging for it. Spain and France spoil you when it comes to eating out. After dinner we walked around and looked at the Christmas lights and at the skaters on the rink they have erected over the canal in front of the town hall. Not Rockefeller Center, but cool. Then I let the others walk home and I climbed up to the Citadel (a castle from the 11th century that is one of the oldest (and interestingly, since it is in the center of Leiden, one of the most silent areas of the city) and meditated for a while. [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2071/2115542556_1343492e48.jpg] Not because of the so-called Apocalypse, not because I wanted to tune in to some grand global W00 Woo Fest...just because I felt like meditating. It was an OK meditation, just your normal, every- day stuff like seeing visions of Shiva dancing Gangnam style with an unidentified Hindu goddess almost wearing the sexiest see- through sari I've ever seen, followed by God herself coming down for a chat, sharing a champagne glass full of soma with me and commending me for my infinite patience in dealing with FFL stalkers. Oh wait. That didn't happen. I must have been channeling that. That's what TMers might consider an OK meditation. :-) Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence. Robin: Well, that's good, Barry. In fact that's *really* good. Pure, infinite silence. You are a fun guy, Barry. Did Curtis every get around to telling you that you weren't supposed to eat Irish children because of the shortage of potatoes? I don't believe authfriend has ever said anything about you that was objectively false. And yet, you have never come back at her to refute her--You think her severe analysis of you refutes itself? Your hatred of FF, TM, the TMO, and MMY: this tempts you into deliberate exaggeration and misrepresentation of your own meditation experience: Pure, infinite silence: this is a description motivated by your antipathy about TM MMY--Did that cynicism not exist, you would probably have said: It was pleasant enough. Quite relaxing. But no big deal. The pure, infinite silence: Simply an anti-Bevan remark. Although I don't disagree with you--contra Buck--about the charismatic potential John Hagelin. Eliot said that Santayana's philosophy lectures at Harvard were soporific. I like the mystery of tragedy in Bevan more than the unseriousness (in some unpreventable way) of soul in John Hagelin. Santayana, he would seem on fire. Merry Christmas, Barry. Your dogs look like they don't know who you are. Not enough individuation of first person ontology.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It's early in the week but already we have a strong contender for the Joke of the Week ! The Turq on meditation: Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence.
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A premature congrats to you! As the Doctor would say, This is a positive development. I admire your SPUNK. This makes almost two positive posts for you, in a row! Granted you have years ahead of you as the nice guy, to create the true impression of your fantasy, and yet, hey, you gotta start somewhere - don't let us down, and glad to see you pushed into this corner of your mind - Please, for God's sake, stay there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. Yes. It's a couple of hundred meters from where I live. Good Googling! Haarlemerstraat, at the upper left of the ariel view, is Leiden's main shopping drag. I went shopping on it today, with Paris and Pippin in their Christmas attire. The photo below shows them in their little reindeer antlers and Santa hat, but from an earlier Christmas in Paris, the city. The dogs are a bit greyer around the muzzle now, as am I. :-) [Barry';s Christmas Dogs] We were quite a hit. Stupidly, I forgot to bring my iPhone (same camera that took the other photo of the canal) with me, so I don't have any reaction shots of the often-dour Dutch cracking up and smiling. A few even laughed out loud. I consider that a win. Even though no one asked, dinner was smashing. We went to a Thai restaurant called Buddhas (http://www.buddhas.nl/ http://www.buddhas.nl/ ) and it was delightful -- one of the few Dutch restaurants I've found in which the food was worth what they were charging for it. Spain and France spoil you when it comes to eating out. After dinner we walked around and looked at the Christmas lights and at the skaters on the rink they have erected over the canal in front of the town hall. Not Rockefeller Center, but cool. Then I let the others walk home and I climbed up to the Citadel (a castle from the 11th century that is one of the oldest (and interestingly, since it is in the center of Leiden, one of the most silent areas of the city) and meditated for a while. [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2071/2115542556_1343492e48.jpg] Not because of the so-called Apocalypse, not because I wanted to tune in to some grand global W00 Woo Fest...just because I felt like meditating. It was an OK meditation, just your normal, every- day stuff like seeing visions of Shiva dancing Gangnam style with an unidentified Hindu goddess almost wearing the sexiest see- through sari I've ever seen, followed by God herself coming down for a chat, sharing a champagne glass full of soma with me and commending me for my infinite patience in dealing with FFL stalkers. Oh wait. That didn't happen. I must have been channeling that. That's what TMers might consider an OK meditation. :-) Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) Typical psychopath's reaction in response to criticism of his behavior: blame the victims.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o Hey, wait a minute! You mean I'm the only one being forced by you to learn Vedic Sanskrit? What a relief. So glad you've 'come out'. I thought it was just me. Can I now just bin all these Sanskrit declension primers I've invested in? Blimey, what. Could this mean I get some time to myself? Finally!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. Yes. It's a couple of hundred meters from where I live. Good Googling! Haarlemerstraat, at the upper left of the ariel view, is Leiden's main shopping drag. I went shopping on it today, with Paris and Pippin in their Christmas attire. The photo below shows them in their little reindeer antlers and Santa hat, but from an earlier Christmas in Paris, the city. The dogs are a bit greyer around the muzzle now, as am I. :-) [Barry';s Christmas Dogs] We were quite a hit. Stupidly, I forgot to bring my iPhone (same camera that took the other photo of the canal) with me, so I don't have any reaction shots of the often-dour Dutch cracking up and smiling. A few even laughed out loud. I consider that a win. Even though no one asked, dinner was smashing. We went to a Thai restaurant called Buddhas (http://www.buddhas.nl/ http://www.buddhas.nl/ ) and it was delightful -- one of the few Dutch restaurants I've found in which the food was worth what they were charging for it. Spain and France spoil you when it comes to eating out. After dinner we walked around and looked at the Christmas lights and at the skaters on the rink they have erected over the canal in front of the town hall. Not Rockefeller Center, but cool. Then I let the others walk home and I climbed up to the Citadel (a castle from the 11th century that is one of the oldest (and interestingly, since it is in the center of Leiden, one of the most silent areas of the city) and meditated for a while. [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2071/2115542556_1343492e48.jpg] Not because of the so-called Apocalypse, not because I wanted to tune in to some grand global W00 Woo Fest...just because I felt like meditating. It was an OK meditation, just your normal, every- day stuff like seeing visions of Shiva dancing Gangnam style with an unidentified Hindu goddess almost wearing the sexiest see- through sari I've ever seen, followed by God herself coming down for a chat, sharing a champagne glass full of soma with me and commending me for my infinite patience in dealing with FFL stalkers. Oh wait. That didn't happen. I must have been channeling that. That's what TMers might consider an OK meditation. :-) Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence. Robin: Well, that's good, Barry. In fact that's *really* good. Pure, infinite silence. You are a fun guy, Barry. Did Curtis every get around to telling you that you weren't supposed to eat Irish children because of the shortage of potatoes? I don't believe authfriend has ever said anything about you that was objectively false. And yet, you have never come back at her to refute her--You think her severe analysis of you refutes itself? Your hatred of FF, TM, the TMO, and MMY: this tempts you into deliberate exaggeration and misrepresentation of your own meditation experience: Pure, infinite silence: this is a description motivated by your antipathy about TM MMY--Did that cynicism not exist, you would probably have said: It was pleasant enough. Quite relaxing. But no big deal. The pure, infinite silence: Simply an anti-Bevan remark. Although I don't disagree with you--contra Buck--about the charismatic potential John Hagelin. Eliot said that Santayana's philosophy lectures at Harvard were soporific. I like the mystery of tragedy in Bevan more than the unseriousness (in some unpreventable way) of soul in John Hagelin. Santayana, he would seem on fire. Merry Christmas, Barry. Your dogs look like they don't know who you are. Not enough individuation of first person ontology. Coda: I would love JH to become a charismatic leader/beautiful human being--who knows! maybe he will become this. But I side with Bevan in his fidelity to the purity of Maharishi's Teaching--also in the depth of his suffering and despair--he remains absolutely and properly true to Maharishi. If Buck gets his way--through championing the authority of JH--it will mean the death of that ultra innocent experience that an initiator can give to a initiate the moment he begins to repeat the mantra after the initiator has sung the Puja. There is nothing like TM, and there never has been anything like it. And there is no one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. Yes. It's a couple of hundred meters from where I live. Good Googling! Haarlemerstraat, at the upper left of the ariel view, is Leiden's main shopping drag. I went shopping on it today, with Paris and Pippin in their Christmas attire. The photo below shows them in their little reindeer antlers and Santa hat, but from an earlier Christmas in Paris, the city. The dogs are a bit greyer around the muzzle now, as am I. :-) [Barry';s Christmas Dogs] We were quite a hit. Stupidly, I forgot to bring my iPhone (same camera that took the other photo of the canal) with me, so I don't have any reaction shots of the often-dour Dutch cracking up and smiling. A few even laughed out loud. I consider that a win. Even though no one asked, dinner was smashing. We went to a Thai restaurant called Buddhas (http://www.buddhas.nl/ http://www.buddhas.nl/ ) and it was delightful -- one of the few Dutch restaurants I've found in which the food was worth what they were charging for it. Spain and France spoil you when it comes to eating out. After dinner we walked around and looked at the Christmas lights and at the skaters on the rink they have erected over the canal in front of the town hall. Not Rockefeller Center, but cool. Then I let the others walk home and I climbed up to the Citadel (a castle from the 11th century that is one of the oldest (and interestingly, since it is in the center of Leiden, one of the most silent areas of the city) and meditated for a while. [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2071/2115542556_1343492e48.jpg] Not because of the so-called Apocalypse, not because I wanted to tune in to some grand global W00 Woo Fest...just because I felt like meditating. It was an OK meditation, just your normal, every- day stuff like seeing visions of Shiva dancing Gangnam style with an unidentified Hindu goddess almost wearing the sexiest see- through sari I've ever seen, followed by God herself coming down for a chat, sharing a champagne glass full of soma with me and commending me for my infinite patience in dealing with FFL stalkers. Oh wait. That didn't happen. I must have been channeling that. That's what TMers might consider an OK meditation. :-) Mine was just silence. Pure, infinite silence. Robin: Well, that's good, Barry. In fact that's *really* good. Pure, infinite silence. You are a fun guy, Barry. Did Curtis every get around to telling you that you weren't supposed to eat Irish children because of the shortage of potatoes? I don't believe authfriend has ever said anything about you that was objectively false. And yet, you have never come back at her to refute her--You think her severe analysis of you refutes itself? Your hatred of FF, TM, the TMO, and MMY: this tempts you into deliberate exaggeration and misrepresentation of your own meditation experience: Pure, infinite silence: this is a description motivated by your antipathy about TM MMY--Did that cynicism not exist, you would probably have said: It was pleasant enough. Quite relaxing. But no big deal. The pure, infinite silence: Simply an anti-Bevan remark. Although I don't disagree with you--contra Buck--about the charismatic potential John Hagelin. Eliot said that Santayana's philosophy lectures at Harvard were soporific. I like the mystery of tragedy in Bevan more than the unseriousness (in some unpreventable way) of soul in John Hagelin. Santayana, he would seem on fire. Merry Christmas, Barry. Your dogs look like they don't know who you are. Not enough individuation of first person ontology. Coda: I would love JH to become a charismatic leader/beautiful human being--who knows! maybe he will become this. But I side with Bevan in his fidelity to the purity of Maharishi's Teaching--also in the depth of his suffering and despair--he remains absolutely and properly true to Maharishi. If Buck gets his way--through championing the authority of JH--it will mean the death of that ultra innocent experience that an initiator can give
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
I have been sprayed so many times I have developed an immunity to mace. Christopher Walken on SNL courtesy of Bob Price --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Whatever happened to Tony Nader in all of this assessment? He is after all the designated King of the TM movement by MMY himself. Isn't this a lot like asking, What ever happened to the meaningless dweebnessitude that the Wizard Of Oz tried to distract people with? No one ever CARED, because the wizard wasn't one. Neither was Maharishi. King Tony was merely the latest -- and the lamest -- of a series of charisma-challenged people who Maharishi tried to get people to focus on, just in case he should someday...uh...die. He did. They didn't. There isn't enough charisma there to fill an ant's chamber pot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) Typical psychopath's reaction in response to criticism of his behavior: blame the victims. I found this quote about psychopathic behaviour to criticism. I am not sure if this is from a professional source: 'Usually the psychopath will be hypersensitive to criticism. They can dish it out but can't take it themselves; they get angry when confronted with their shortcomings. Otherwise, they may seem totally unaffected by criticism. This points to their utter lack of caring about the opinions of others. At any rate, the psychopath will likely be extreme in reaction; there's rarely a middle ground for them.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o This is not the right question, Card. If one posts on a forum like this one, it is *unnatural* not to see what everyone else is saying. Even about oneself. Is it your inclination *not* to read posts that are addressed personally to you, and which either challenge your views, or disparage your person? I think most persons posting on this forum are interested in expressing their opinions and judgments--that's why they post; that's why they read what others post. This response of yours, you think it answers to all the acrimonious debates that have raged here on FFL? You think it the *solution* to the fierce contesting of what is true, what is right, what is real? It is a small-minded idea and it cost you nothing. If people are cruel or unfair or dishonest--or if they are sincere or fair or honest: this means something. To propose what you do here, in what way does that possibly encompass what it means to be a human being with an investment in your beliefs and feeling for what should count in the universe? No one is forced even to read anything on FFL--or even post on FFL. Why not, since there is so much violent argument, just quit reading and writing on FFL? Why, in view of these intense disagreements, not have everyone just stop contributing to FFL *so it can just shut down*. When you make a suggestion like this, the criterion of is validity has to be: Does my suggestion somehow take in the reality and meaning of what happens on FFL in the controversy over who is right and who is wrong? It seems like a perfect solution--what you say here--but does it seem as if that would have prevented all the tension and disputation that seems so serious here on FFL? Again, in argument, in life, one wants to bring an idea or proposition that really gathers as much reality into itself, so that it is a just and sensible and *meaningful* idea. Yours is the equivalent of saying: Well, if you were hurt in love, why ever get romantic with someone again? If you don't like the NRA, why do you read about what they have to say about the massacre in Newtown? You would make your proposal something more significant and truthful than authfriend's sincerely felt analysis of the sweet and disinterested consciousness in Holland. If I read authfriend's post and then I read yours: Is is possible to believe that your post essentially makes authfriend's post (about the Holland guy) superfluous? Look at the response from Holland (to your post): this is the proof of how irrelevant and meaningless your admonition was. Hamlet is a tragedy--it makes people sad. Why not just read comedy? Hamlet did not make me sad. Robin, why must reality be somehow infused, or invested in what a person says? Thoughts come spontaneously. That should say something about whether we can actually control their content. If they come spontaneously, who is the author? People have a perfect freedom to say trivial things if that is what comes out. It is not necessary to stuff one's expressions with some kind of ultimate significance as if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
...if the foo shits...omg. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) Typical psychopath's reaction in response to criticism of his behavior: blame the victims. I found this quote about psychopathic behaviour to criticism. I am not sure if this is from a professional source: 'Usually the psychopath will be hypersensitive to criticism. They can dish it out but can't take it themselves; they get angry when confronted with their shortcomings. Otherwise, they may seem totally unaffected by criticism. This points to their utter lack of caring about the opinions of others. At any rate, the psychopath will likely be extreme in reaction; there's rarely a middle ground for them.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. Judy, I must say I just can't understand why and how anybody would be forced to read what Barry, or anyone else, for that matter, writes... :o This is not the right question, Card. If one posts on a forum like this one, it is *unnatural* not to see what everyone else is saying. Even about oneself. Is it your inclination *not* to read posts that are addressed personally to you, and which either challenge your views, or disparage your person? I think most persons posting on this forum are interested in expressing their opinions and judgments--that's why they post; that's why they read what others post. This response of yours, you think it answers to all the acrimonious debates that have raged here on FFL? You think it the *solution* to the fierce contesting of what is true, what is right, what is real? It is a small-minded idea and it cost you nothing. If people are cruel or unfair or dishonest--or if they are sincere or fair or honest: this means something. To propose what you do here, in what way does that possibly encompass what it means to be a human being with an investment in your beliefs and feeling for what should count in the universe? No one is forced even to read anything on FFL--or even post on FFL. Why not, since there is so much violent argument, just quit reading and writing on FFL? Why, in view of these intense disagreements, not have everyone just stop contributing to FFL *so it can just shut down*. When you make a suggestion like this, the criterion of is validity has to be: Does my suggestion somehow take in the reality and meaning of what happens on FFL in the controversy over who is right and who is wrong? It seems like a perfect solution--what you say here--but does it seem as if that would have prevented all the tension and disputation that seems so serious here on FFL? Again, in argument, in life, one wants to bring an idea or proposition that really gathers as much reality into itself, so that it is a just and sensible and *meaningful* idea. Yours is the equivalent of saying: Well, if you were hurt in love, why ever get romantic with someone again? If you don't like the NRA, why do you read about what they have to say about the massacre in Newtown? You would make your proposal something more significant and truthful than authfriend's sincerely felt analysis of the sweet and disinterested consciousness in Holland. If I read authfriend's post and then I read yours: Is is possible to believe that your post essentially makes authfriend's post (about the Holland guy) superfluous? Look at the response from Holland (to your post): this is the proof of how irrelevant and meaningless your admonition was. Hamlet is a tragedy--it makes people sad. Why not just read comedy? Hamlet did not make me sad. Robin, why must reality be somehow infused, or invested in what a person says? Thoughts come spontaneously. That should say something about whether we can actually control their content. If they come spontaneously, who is the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) Typical psychopath's reaction in response to criticism of his behavior: blame the victims. I found this quote about psychopathic behaviour to criticism. I am not sure if this is from a professional source: 'Usually the psychopath will be hypersensitive to criticism. They can dish it out but can't take it themselves; they get angry when confronted with their shortcomings. Otherwise, they may seem totally unaffected by criticism. This points to their utter lack of caring about the opinions of others. At any rate, the psychopath will likely be extreme in reaction; there's rarely a middle ground for them.' Exactly. Whoever wrote this must know Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
He *would* certainly make their research a whole lot easier - no need to interview multiple subjects - text book case:. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Card, what you don't understand is that some people cannot tell the difference between being compelled to do something by their *own* obsessions and hatreds, and being forced to do it by something outside of themselves. You and many others seem to have no problem picking and choosing among the posts here, and focusing only on the ones that interest you. But something or someone is FORCING Judy and the people she refers to as We to read them and get all purple-faced apoplectic about what they read. Poor babies. :-) Typical psychopath's reaction in response to criticism of his behavior: blame the victims. I found this quote about psychopathic behaviour to criticism. I am not sure if this is from a professional source: 'Usually the psychopath will be hypersensitive to criticism. They can dish it out but can't take it themselves; they get angry when confronted with their shortcomings. Otherwise, they may seem totally unaffected by criticism. This points to their utter lack of caring about the opinions of others. At any rate, the psychopath will likely be extreme in reaction; there's rarely a middle ground for them.' Exactly. Whoever wrote this must know Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Coda: I would love JH to become a charismatic leader/beautiful human being--who knows! maybe he will become this. But I side with Bevan in his fidelity to the purity of Maharishi's Teaching--also in the depth of his suffering and despair--he remains absolutely and properly true to Maharishi. If Buck gets his way--through championing the authority of JH--it will mean the death of that ultra innocent experience that an initiator can give to a initiate the moment he begins to repeat the mantra after the initiator has sung the Puja. There is nothing like TM, and there never has been anything like it. And there is no one like Maharishi Mahesh Yogi either. John Hagelin is a brilliant physicist. He is devoted to Maharishi and believes in the metaphysical integrity of Maharishi's Teaching-and his vision for the whole world. But he will never be taken as seriously as Bevan, because Bevan has a very perfect read on Maharishi himself--as Bevan's Master. The purity of The Teaching is held inside Bevan Morris's soul. If there is some silent coup d'etat, it will be the end of Transcendental Meditation and the the last light of the brilliance of what the TM Movement once was (up to the ruling in the New Jersey case) will go out. Bevan has the potential to command respect. John Hagelin, were he not a remarkable scientist and thinker, could not command, would never command, that respect. Bevan from Heaven was once a real phenomenon. Bevan still feels the holiness of his experience of his Master; he acts out of a sense of felt supernatural inspired obedience. The Buck revolution, it comes from someone who never really felt what we initiators felt, say in the early seventies. For me, it is either Maharishi and TM all the way, or it is nothing. It is sort of parallel to Newman saying there is no medium between atheism and Catholicism. If you are not a Catholic, you are essentially--functionally--an atheist. Couldn't agree more. Nobody I know in the Movement has made a stronger application for 3'rd degree Initiation and eventual Masterhood without being enlightened (as far as I know) than Bevan Morris. It seems Buck doesn't or can't see the range of his critisism. He should give it up and focus on what he knows best; being on the programme.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen wrote: snip If there is some silent coup d'etat, it will be the end of Transcendental Meditation and the the last light of the brilliance of what the TM Movement once was (up to the ruling in the New Jersey case) will go out. Yes, and let's hope it doesn't coincide with the destruction of a nearby monastary. That would pretty much seal it.
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Or, I have been spayed so many times, I have developed an immunity to mates. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: I have been sprayed so many times I have developed an immunity to mace. Christopher Walken on SNL courtesy of Bob Price --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Whatever happened to Tony Nader in all of this assessment? He is after all the designated King of the TM movement by MMY himself. Isn't this a lot like asking, What ever happened to the meaningless dweebnessitude that the Wizard Of Oz tried to distract people with? No one ever CARED, because the wizard wasn't one. Neither was Maharishi. King Tony was merely the latest -- and the lamest -- of a series of charisma-challenged people who Maharishi tried to get people to focus on, just in case he should someday...uh...die. He did. They didn't. There isn't enough charisma there to fill an ant's chamber pot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen wrote: snip If there is some silent coup d'etat, it will be the end of Transcendental Meditation and the the last light of the brilliance of what the TM Movement once was (up to the ruling in the New Jersey case) will go out. Yes, and let's hope it doesn't coincide with the destruction of a nearby monastary. That would pretty much seal it. Actually, that's interesting you would say that, Steve, because the way I see it the ontological context of the universe changed around the time the Allies bombed Monte Cassino (1944). This is like Share's accident and yours. Some kind of synchronicity happening. And I thought you would be trying to get off a stunner that would deal with the meaning of my comments about Bevan versus JHagelin. Did you deal with my point of view about that? or was this reference the attempt to receive into yourself the merit of my argument? Anyhow, the coincidence is striking. I thought you knew about the Monte Cassino thing. Merry Christmas again, Steve. Watch that video. It comes from directly from God (through Bob Price). If you want the gold standard, read raunchy's response to BP. That is as good as it gets. And then you can, when you next have a funny to get off, think: Is this almost a good as raunchy's Christmas note to my friend Bob Price? Hey! just kidding, Steve. All is well and I will say hello to Santa in Manhattan for you. I am wrapping all my presents tonight. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen wrote: snip Actually, that's interesting you would say that, Steve, because the way I see it the ontological context of the universe changed around the time the Allies bombed Monte Cassino (1944). This is like Share's accident and yours. Some kind of synchronicity happening. And I thought you would be trying to get off a stunner that would deal with the meaning of my comments about Bevan versus JHagelin. Did you deal with my point of view about that? or was this reference the attempt to receive into yourself the merit of my argument? Anyhow, the coincidence is striking. I thought you knew about the Monte Cassino thing. Is this a joke? Of course I knew about that. (your view of that event) That was the whole purpose of my comments. I think you knew that. Merry Christmas again, Steve. Watch that video. It comes from directly from God (through Bob Price). If you want the gold standard, read raunchy's response to BP. That is as good as it gets. And then you can, when you next have a funny to get off, think: Is this almost a good as raunchy's Christmas note to my friend Bob Price? Hey! just kidding, Steve. All is well and I will say hello to Santa in Manhattan for you. Hey, just read an article in yesterday's NYT, about an up and coming player, who they say is likely to be the first NHL African American hockey star. I am wrapping all my presents tonight. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Excellent picture Barry! I have a similar one I took of the Arno river in Florence on my wall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030\ 287168_411824051_n.jpg]
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The last few days I thought I might be able to post a picture of snow on palm trees. But it didn't happen though it got that cold but not that wet. Today it is that wet but not that cold. Need to go check out the end of the world sales today. No interest until June. On 12/21/2012 09:00 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Excellent picture Barry! I have a similar one I took of the Arno river in Florence on my wall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030\ 287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030\ 287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity. Snidely suggesting his perplexity is dumb. No, it's not dumb. It's an excellent question that many of us have wondered about on those exceedingly rare occasions when Barry writes a post in which he isn't being a complete shit to *somebody*. To suggest otherwise is what's dumb.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. Barry, just wondering if you took that photo of the light on water from the location pictured below. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030\ \ 287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. We *understand* that you don't get it. Could that possibly have something to do with the fact that you feel the need to classify the things you see into little good and bad boxes, and that you will NEVER, in ANY lifetime, understand the concept of Tantra -- the coexistence of and non-contradictory nature of seeming opposites? :-) Be careful about announcing to the world the sad limitations of your ability to perceive that world. It's one thing if you keep them to yourself and attempt to hide them, as many here do, but quite another when you lay them on everyone else and expect them to identify with the sad and often pitiful boundaries you impose upon yourself. I have *never* -- not once -- felt pissed off and nasty during this last posting month on FFL. If you believe that I have, that is what YOU project onto what I write, based on what YOU feel in *reaction* to what I write. Your samskaric problem is not necessarily mine. 'Nuff said... :-) And I think that's 50 and out for me...Jai and away... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's; he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
We *understand* that you don't get it. Could that possibly have something to do with the fact that you feel the need to classify the things you see into little good and bad boxes, and that you will NEVER, in ANY lifetime, understand the concept of Tantra -- the coexistence of and non-contradictory nature of seeming opposites? :-) Are you FUCKING SERIOUS?? you are telling me *YOU* of all people are a Master of Tantra, and I am to be showcased for my narrow concepts of good and bad??? So, what does that mean, Barry? I recall most recently you telling someone here to, fuck off and die. This may be an extreme example of your rhetoric, though it all has about the same vibe to it. Fuck Off And Die. Now, you can go slithering around about TANTRA all you want to, but 99.99% of the world's population, if told to fuck off and die, would see this as a negative, abusive and shitty thing to be told. As I said before, it isn't the single occurrence that I am calling out. This negative, abusive and shitty behavior is your hallmark, your raison d'etre here on FFL. So, you can feel superior with your head up your tantric ass, but pu-leeze, don't try to sneak that line of bullshit past me. K? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. We *understand* that you don't get it. Could that possibly have something to do with the fact that you feel the need to classify the things you see into little good and bad boxes, and that you will NEVER, in ANY lifetime, understand the concept of Tantra -- the coexistence of and non-contradictory nature of seeming opposites? :-) Be careful about announcing to the world the sad limitations of your ability to perceive that world. It's one thing if you keep them to yourself and attempt to hide them, as many here do, but quite another when you lay them on everyone else and expect them to identify with the sad and often pitiful boundaries you impose upon yourself. I have *never* -- not once -- felt pissed off and nasty during this last posting month on FFL. If you believe that I have, that is what YOU project onto what I write, based on what YOU feel in *reaction* to what I write. Your samskaric problem is not necessarily mine. 'Nuff said... :-) And I think that's 50 and out for me...Jai and away... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
There's another concept called ironic disbelief. I enjoy it as a dramatic vehicle to get my point across. Sorry you missed it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's; he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: There's another concept called ironic disbelief. I enjoy it as a dramatic vehicle to get my point across. Sorry you missed it... Well, in that case you did not get your point across. That you enjoy this concept of ironic disbelief is fine, but does it mean this indulgence might blind you to the character of your audience, and reduce the probability you will get your point across? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's; he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
...that's why I said, Sorry you missed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: There's another concept called ironic disbelief. I enjoy it as a dramatic vehicle to get my point across. Sorry you missed it... Well, in that case you did not get your point across. That you enjoy this concept of ironic disbelief is fine, but does it mean this indulgence might blind you to the character of your audience, and reduce the probability you will get your point across? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's; he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't get it. Are you talking about the contrast in my sn? What I mean with the other guy, is he acts all pissed off and nasty, and seemingly out of the blue (actually prodded by his own sense of self-image on FFL), he goes all reflective and cute-sy on us. Its the reverse of the way other people act - i.e. nice for the most part, with an occasional tirade. I don't think you even tried to answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: There's another concept called ironic disbelief. I enjoy it as a dramatic vehicle to get my point across. Sorry you missed it... Well, in that case you did not get your point across. Translation: Xeno missed it. That you enjoy this concept of ironic disbelief is fine, but does it mean this indulgence might blind you to the character of your audience, and reduce the probability you will get your point across? No. Dr. D. knows that most here understand the concept of ironic disbelief. I suspect he doesn't feel like tailoring his posts to the lowest common denominator.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity. Snidely suggesting his perplexity is dumb. No, it's not dumb. It's an excellent question that many of us have wondered about on those exceedingly rare occasions when Barry writes a post in which he isn't being a complete shit to *somebody*. To suggest otherwise is what's dumb. Our intrepid Doctor not only asked a very cogent question but he asked it very articulately. The thing is, Barry is one of those guys who comes into a room, excretes all sorts of bodily fluids all over everything, turns over the furniture and spray paints the walls then leaves. When the next person comes in and is horrified that their room has been trashed Barry can't, for the life of himself, understand what all the fuss is about then accuses the offended party of being some sort of uptight, clueless over-reactor. It's really quite astounding how he does it time after time and still doesn't take any responsibility. In fact, it's a miracle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Give it up Barry baby - you wish you were Ravi. I am your wildest fantasy that never finds the grace of reality and L will remain my wild fantasy - we just have to accept, that Tantra thingie you are talking about perhaps? On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity. Snidely suggesting his perplexity is dumb. No, it's not dumb. It's an excellent question that many of us have wondered about on those exceedingly rare occasions when Barry writes a post in which he isn't being a complete shit to *somebody*. To suggest otherwise is what's dumb. Our intrepid Doctor not only asked a very cogent question but he asked it very articulately. The thing is, Barry is one of those guys who comes into a room, excretes all sorts of bodily fluids all over everything, turns over the furniture and spray paints the walls then leaves. When the next person comes in and is horrified that their room has been trashed Barry can't, for the life of himself, understand what all the fuss is about then accuses the offended party of being some sort of uptight, clueless over-reactor. It's really quite astounding how he does it time after time and still doesn't take any responsibility. In fact, it's a miracle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? If he's not that serious, what's he doing lobbing bombs? But we aren't fish, Xeno, and Barry is not entitled to be the Master Baiter (depending on how you spell it). We're human beings, and so is he. Coexistence of opposites is a non sequitur, an empty phrase that is meant to sound impressive and wise but has no meaning or significance in this context. Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's The salient characteristic of Barry's nastiness is that it's nearly always *gratuitous*, just for the sake of being nasty; and his criticisms are almost always *dishonest*, knowingly false. Neither is true of me. Those are the important distinctions between me and Barry. Whether he's unserious or superficial is debatable. Many of us think he's painfully shallow; but what he does here is clearly *extremely* important to him, so it doesn't make much sense to say he isn't serious. he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, Some more distorted than others. Oh, it's all nothing but distorted representations of reality is an excuse just as Barry's Tantra notion is. and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? All this is horseshit. No, that's unkind to horseshit. It's apeshit, Xeno throwing his own shit around. Whether the FFL reality is important is not important. What's important is that people should treat other people like human beings no matter what the context. Too many people use FFL like their own private playground, with themselves the only real people in it. For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. You aren't qualified to give lessons in human relations, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Well, Judy got it right. I was making an insinuation, though not serious about it. I did not answer the rhetorical question you posed, or attempt to. There is a concept called 'coexistence of opposites', which if it were an experience, would take care of the dilemma. You have to ask how serious Barry is about what he says. He lobs bombs, with fish hooks attached, onto this forum, and if you are kind of like a fish swimming in these waters, do you bite? If he's not that serious, what's he doing lobbing bombs? But we aren't fish, Xeno, and Barry is not entitled to be the Master Baiter (depending on how you spell it). We're human beings, and so is he. Coexistence of opposites is a non sequitur, an empty phrase that is meant to sound impressive and wise but has no meaning or significance in this context. Barry's nastiness is more superficial than Judy's The salient characteristic of Barry's nastiness is that it's nearly always *gratuitous*, just for the sake of being nasty; and his criticisms are almost always *dishonest*, knowingly false. Neither is true of me. Those are the important distinctions between me and Barry. Whether he's unserious or superficial is debatable. Many of us think he's painfully shallow; but what he does here is clearly *extremely* important to him, so it doesn't make much sense to say he isn't serious. he is not so serious as I believe you are imagining. But of course this is my interpretation of what I read. The mind does not give us reality, it gives us distorted representations of reality, Some more distorted than others. Oh, it's all nothing but distorted representations of reality is an excuse just as Barry's Tantra notion is. and on occasion, gives us clues as to what reality might be about. Are you taking what people say here as true and false? Are you taking what is discussed, argued, and metaphorically shouted here as some kind of important reality? All this is horseshit. No, that's unkind to horseshit. It's apeshit, Xeno throwing his own shit around. Whether the FFL reality is important is not important. What's important is that people should treat other people like human beings no matter what the context. Too many people use FFL like their own private playground, with themselves the only real people in it. For a lesson in coexistence I would recommend the movie 'Life of Pi', how to get along in a completely unlivable situation. You aren't qualified to give lessons in human relations, Xeno. I was not talking about human relations. But I would agree with you that if you wanted to inform yourself about the nature of human relations, I would not be your best bet by a long shot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
Its more like passing an alley and see some guy taking a leak on the side of a building. It Stinks. You ask him as he exits the alley if he just peed on the wall, and he smiles, turning both hands into mudras, and replies, No, it is Tantra, as he remembers to zip up his trousers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Who the fuck ARE you, anyway?? Here is this perfectly reasonable, though facile, recount of an ordinary experience, with a photo attached. And yet you only seem to turn into this guy, briefly, after being a complete shit to everyone, for awhile. Anyway, just asking the question... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family... Perhaps a web handle like 'doctordumbass' might explain this perplexity. Snidely suggesting his perplexity is dumb. No, it's not dumb. It's an excellent question that many of us have wondered about on those exceedingly rare occasions when Barry writes a post in which he isn't being a complete shit to *somebody*. To suggest otherwise is what's dumb. Our intrepid Doctor not only asked a very cogent question but he asked it very articulately. The thing is, Barry is one of those guys who comes into a room, excretes all sorts of bodily fluids all over everything, turns over the furniture and spray paints the walls then leaves. When the next person comes in and is horrified that their room has been trashed Barry can't, for the life of himself, understand what all the fuss is about then accuses the offended party of being some sort of uptight, clueless over-reactor. It's really quite astounding how he does it time after time and still doesn't take any responsibility. In fact, it's a miracle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030287168_411824051_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Light On Water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I've got nothing much more to say on this topic, but am replying to it anyway to point out the contrast between what I wrote (below) and the angry, panicked, out-of-control, gotta-get- Barry reaction to it by DocDumbass, Judy, Ann, and Ravi. Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say? :-) No. Or not the way you'd like to think. No panic, nothing out-of-control. That's your fantasy, and also an example of what we've been talking about. The contrast is between what you wrote below and the sick, twisted, dishonest, sadistic crap you usually write, the gotta-get-Judy/Ann/Ravi/ DrD/Robin/whoever hysterical tirades that are your stock in trade, the smarmy I'm just pushing buttons garbage, the faux-Tantra nonsense, the utter lack of even the faintest wisp of self-knowledge. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, never have been able to take it, not since I've known you. You think you're entitled to gratuitously shit on anybody you feel like shitting on without ever having to take responsibility for it. You're a coward and a bully and a cheat and a phony and just generally a disgrace as a human being. One pretty little word picture and photo does not erase all that ugliness we're forced to endure from you. If you feel put-upon because you're getting reamed out for your toxic rubbish instead of getting strokes for your creative effort, tough. Live with it. We don't like having to live with you either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So it's Friday, and the End Of The World to boot. Cool. So I finished all my work for the week a few minutes ago, and then chose to celebrate it by taking a walk around the 'hood I live in, prior to celebrating it by going out to dinner with my extended adoptive family. And the walk was just smokin', which is why I'm writing about it. Really uplifting and wonderful. Consider this my belated Wussy Wednesday submission. Also, just in case the world really does end in a few minutes, consider it one of my last comments on it. One of the benefits of living in a tight, crowded-by-some-people's-standards, inner-city, European 'hood is that you get to Walk In History. The house behind ours, situated on the canal that used to be just inside the fortified walls of this medieval city, was built in 1660. The canal predates it, commerce tending in history to predate the lifestyles of those who profited from it. The Herengracht is not officially one of the biggest or most significant of the waterways in my city, but it has its charms. All of the buildings gracing its banks are built using the same Dutch red brick building style as the 1660 house, although many were built more recently. And they're cool and all. But turn aside from them, walk a few feet to the actual canal itself and look around, and what you find yourself in is a world of Light On Water. The water in the canal is not static. It's not a passive watcher of this whole scene. It's more of an active participant, taking the light reflected from the street lights and the house lights and the moon and the occasional (it's the Netherlands) star, and reflecting them on, cooler than they were when they arrived. It's almost as if the water in the canal is an artist, taking the incoming light and then bouncing it off of its everchanging surface and reflecting it onward kinda bent, and thus more interesting. A streetlight seen directly is all solid and all...kinda boring. But look at the reflection of the streetlight in the Herengracht and you see this pulsating, everchanging globule of light, with no fixed boundaries and no particular need to adapt itself to them. It's a cool effect. I kinda like it. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/598589_530703030287168_411824051_n.jpg]
