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And WWII made money for these people all the way around. Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a Bronte writes: No, Icke never claimed to be the originator of the idea. I think it started with Zachariah Sitchen, who Icke references. And Sitchen himself is an archeological scholar who writes weighty but far-out books on this subject. A easier place to start research on whether mankind is space-eingineered is with a book by William Bramley called The Gods of Eden. Also scholarly, but a much easier read than the 12 books by Sitchen which come to the same conclusion by exhaustive examples from archeology and world mythologies/ religions. Icke's later books are also very good, but I'd suggesting reading Bramley's book first. Icke's later books which, unlike his early ones, contain references and evidence, are Tales from the Time Loop followed by Infinite Love Is the Only Truth - Everything Else Is Illusion. Mind-bending stuff, but with references, and well-reasoned. Icke was ridiculed by the press some years back (and who is the media owned by, folks?), but he connects the dots in a way that bears serious considation. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And WWII made money for these people all the way around. Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever else meditation may be, it certainly is also a fabulous social engineering tool. Consider: Maharishi took a bunch of freedom and democracy loving hippies, and, in the space of twenty years, turned them into firm believers in the divine right of kings, appointed by a superior priest caste, naturally--one with the power, no doubt, to off unruly rulers. Angela, I am highly dubious about everything else you say about Hitler etc. but this is hitting the nail very firmly on the head. I think the human capacity for self-delusion is near infinite and the TMO in it's current raja guise is getting scary, how can so many people have given up independent thought so completely.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a Bronte writes: No, Icke never claimed to be the originator of the idea. I think it started with Zachariah Sitchen, who Icke references. And Sitchen himself is an archeological scholar who writes weighty but far-out books on this subject. A easier place to start research on whether mankind is space-eingineered is with a book by William Bramley called The Gods of Eden. Also scholarly, but a much easier read than the 12 books by Sitchen which come to the same conclusion by exhaustive examples from archeology and world mythologies/ religions. Icke's later books are also very good, but I'd suggesting reading Bramley's book first. Icke's later books which, unlike his early ones, contain references and evidence, are Tales from the Time Loop followed by Infinite Love Is the Only Truth - Everything Else Is Illusion. Mind-bending stuff, but with references, and well- reasoned. Icke was ridiculed by the press some years back (and who is the media owned by, folks?), but he connects the dots in a way that bears serious considation. If you are seriously interested in human origins a much better place to start research would be the books of Richard Dawkins, try the Blind Watchmaker or River out of Eden A good understanding of evolution is an essential starting place before considering the tripe tossed out by uneducated new age gurus. There is nothing unexplained about human evolution, no alien DNA in our bodies, no evidence we have been visited from beyond the stars. And I have looked at these books, believe me. I'll tell you why it annoys me so much. I was in Egypt having a look round Cairo and I couldn't believe what I saw, you can get tours of the pyramids from guides who teach that the pyramids are giant batteries for recharging ancient UFO's as they fly around the galaxy, people believe this bullshit! I'm not making it up. It's a constant pain for people that do real research into ancient man that their findings only get mentioned in serious journals, but some new age kook publishes a book claiming that aliens made our brains bigger so we could be their sex-slaves in another dimension and it sells by the truck load!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism - - in Fairfield? There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. a Reminds me of the process of electing Bush...
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Absolutely. Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine doesn't research as far back as that, but the mind set she discusses was alive and well in WWI as well. a Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And WWII made money for these people all the way around. Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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It was Sitchin I meant. So everything I said actually refers to Sitchin. a hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a Bronte writes: No, Icke never claimed to be the originator of the idea. I think it started with Zachariah Sitchen, who Icke references. And Sitchen himself is an archeological scholar who writes weighty but far-out books on this subject. A easier place to start research on whether mankind is space-eingineered is with a book by William Bramley called The Gods of Eden. Also scholarly, but a much easier read than the 12 books by Sitchen which come to the same conclusion by exhaustive examples from archeology and world mythologies/ religions. Icke's later books are also very good, but I'd suggesting reading Bramley's book first. Icke's later books which, unlike his early ones, contain references and evidence, are Tales from the Time Loop followed by Infinite Love Is the Only Truth - Everything Else Is Illusion. Mind-bending stuff, but with references, and well- reasoned. Icke was ridiculed by the press some years back (and who is the media owned by, folks?), but he connects the dots in a way that bears serious considation. If you are seriously interested in human origins a much better place to start research would be the books of Richard Dawkins, try the Blind Watchmaker or River out of Eden A good understanding of evolution is an essential starting place before considering the tripe tossed out by uneducated new age gurus. There is nothing unexplained about human evolution, no alien DNA in our bodies, no evidence we have been visited from beyond the stars. And I have looked at these books, believe me. I'll tell you why it annoys me so much. I was in Egypt having a look round Cairo and I couldn't believe what I saw, you can get tours of the pyramids from guides who teach that the pyramids are giant batteries for recharging ancient UFO's as they fly around the galaxy, people believe this bullshit! I'm not making it up. It's a constant pain for people that do real research into ancient man that their findings only get mentioned in serious journals, but some new age kook publishes a book claiming that aliens made our brains bigger so we could be their sex-slaves in another dimension and it sells by the truck load! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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I'm not ascribing evil intent to anyone and shall probably never do so. a Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed with a facile phrase like the Nazis highjacked the New Age. I've done long and serious scholarship and research on the topic. The New Age (for lack of a better term) aspect of German fascism was swept under the rug beginning with the Nuremberg war crimes trials, so this Egon guy probably never heard of it. I would never have heard of it either if I hadn't been meditating by some real fluke. Nazi Germany was crawling with all kinds of gurus--not just Indian, but also Tibetan, Chinese and Japanese. But as soon as the war was over in 45, they all vanished over night. I mean totally vanished in one swell foop so radical that it must have been orchestrated through a single source. The guy who taught me when I was six was a left over who was hiding out under a shepherd's cloak. I know you're busy being a host to guests but I have to ask, are you assigning some malicious intent from these easterners in Germany or a compassionate one? The Tibetans (in particular) had a long-standing connection with eastern Europe, esp. the Russian Tsars. In fact after the Tibetan diaspora numerous texts which were lost could only be rediscovered in Russia, where a large repository still exists. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Interesting how you take a few comments scattered over the years that MMY may or may not have said about Hitler and turn it into MMY's interest in Hitler, which implies something quite different. And you make this blatant distortion in the interest of . . . what, precisely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Read the posts. I made zero comments about what MMY said. All that came from others, which I noted with interest. I had no idea he ever said anything at all about Hitler. So what, exactly, have I distorted? a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting how you take a few comments scattered over the years that MMY may or may not have said about Hitler and turn it into MMY's interest in Hitler, which implies something quite different. And you make this blatant distortion in the interest of . . . what, precisely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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My point is very obvious. It is you who should read the posts. If you didn't even know that MMY ever said anything about Hitler, why then do you write MMY's interest in Hitler, as if it were an accepted fact, and far more weighty than a few scattered comments? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the posts. I made zero comments about what MMY said. All that came from others, which I noted with interest. I had no idea he ever said anything at all about Hitler. So what, exactly, have I distorted? a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting how you take a few comments scattered over the years that MMY may or may not have said about Hitler and turn it into MMY's interest in Hitler, which implies something quite different. And you make this blatant distortion in the interest of . . . what, precisely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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I have an abiding interest in the one called Hitler. He was a great man in this earth walking. --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is very obvious. It is you who should read the posts. If you didn't even know that MMY ever said anything about Hitler, why then do you write MMY's interest in Hitler, as if it were an accepted fact, and far more weighty than a few scattered comments? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the posts. I made zero comments about what MMY said. All that came from others, which I noted with interest. I had no idea he ever said anything at all about Hitler. So what, exactly, have I distorted? a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting how you take a few comments scattered over the years that MMY may or may not have said about Hitler and turn it into MMY's interest in Hitler, which implies something quite different. And you make this blatant distortion in the interest of . . . what, precisely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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I was referring to other people's post. I don't know that he had any real interest. If he did, then that is certainly of interest and may relate to my line of inquiry, and then again, it may not. Whence the hostile tone? a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is very obvious. It is you who should read the posts. If you didn't even know that MMY ever said anything about Hitler, why then do you write MMY's interest in Hitler, as if it were an accepted fact, and far more weighty than a few scattered comments? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the posts. I made zero comments about what MMY said. All that came from others, which I noted with interest. I had no idea he ever said anything at all about Hitler. So what, exactly, have I distorted? a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting how you take a few comments scattered over the years that MMY may or may not have said about Hitler and turn it into MMY's interest in Hitler, which implies something quite different. And you make this blatant distortion in the interest of . . . what, precisely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: MMY's interest in Hitler may be to the point and it may not. My interest in Hitler certainly doesn't make me a Nazi. Someone has suggested that my interest in these things is not good for me. I'd like to know why not? Is a historian's field of interest not good for him? Is a researcher's interest in his field not good for him? Even were we to make a value judgment and say cancer is a bad thing, is a cancer researcher's interest bad for him? a jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our newest member, Angela, who just joined FFL yesterday when she left the Wednesday night satsang group in disgust, posted this cool and profoundly thoughtful email that I'll bet everyone missed because the title was misleading. Take a look! She hails from Nazii Germany and is observing some interesting stuff in the Fairfield community. (Note:Pompous shit is a reference to something posted yesterday about an alleged attitude manifested by some members of her previous group.) Angela writes: Pompous shit is a somewhat condensed locution, so I'll be a little more discursive about it. Anything at all can be constructed with words (and deconstructed) , including the semblance of enlightenment. Anyone with half a brain can learn the lingo pretty quickly, and this is not just about us, but about any group that calls itself us. After you learn the lingo, it becomes a game of one-upmanship among the guys and a petting zoo among the girls. And I didn't like the general attitude: More enlightened than thou is no improvement on Holier than thou. I saw too much of that in the Wednesday night satsang group after observing it for about a year, and had too many experiences of folks who didn't want ideas challenged in any way. So I left somewhat precipitously. Another reason I left, though, was that they really were completely unwilling to deal with the questions I, personally, have about the whole enlightenment trip. I was born in Nazi Germany, saw the tail end of the war myself, and then grew up in an environment in which all kinds of Nazis (including bliss-Nazis) tried to come to terms with the experience of the Third Reich. My physics teacher in High School had been a famous scientist and a member of the SS and, because early one morning he caught me meditating, we became friends as well. To him, and to my mother, meditation meant fascism. A vegetarian, Hitler was guru to the SS, in every sense of the word, and he did group meditations with the top brass. imo Hitler was insane, and a real asshole to boot. For possibly a second point of view, I worked and lived very closely with a fellow, Egon, who was an archeologist and spent a year at the Kansas City Capitals Project. He too had been born in Nazi Germany-- his dad was a soldier in the regular army and after his city was bombed to dust, ate the equivalent of roadkill to stay alive. He was no fan of the Nazis, to say the least. Now this wasn't Fairfield, but we were working directly for the TMO, so many of the same dynamics were possibly at play. There was something of a defacto class system between the Governors as they were known, and us, the worker bees earning our Siddhis course. Whatever. Egon expressed dislike for one of the Guvs especially but I didn't hear him ever say that the TMO were Nazis, or anything else comparing the Nazi regime to the surroundings, or what we were learning, or the attitudes of those on the Project.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I believe he even had people dress up at one point. Rick had at one time posted this (I don't know if he ever got a response): Of course Rick had some rumours posted, thats his nature, he can't help it though he seems to need help. Perhaps Suptken could take him on since they are more or less on the same level. That's why he created FFL, for nitwits like yourself to post sick garbage. The dress you refer to, and in your deeply troubeled mind connects to nazism was suits with differnt colours for different states of consciousness. It was just an idea and one that was quickly dropped.
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On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil.
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On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips?
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Angela Wrote: I was born in Nazi Germany, saw the tail end of the war myself, and then grew up in an environment in which all kinds of Nazis (including bliss-Nazis) tried to come to terms with the experience of the Third Reich. Lurk: Neat,if that's the right word. When I graduated MIU back in '81, and entered our family business, one of my first customers was a German immigrant, Steve Esslinger-chief engineer at a local hotel. Somehow we hit it off, and became friends. Ocassionaly he would open up about wartime Germany, and how he would go down to the river a seek refuge under a bridge. A few years after we met, he died of a heart attack. There were other interesting facts about him,(won a scholorship to study in US), but most probably not of interest here. We also had an accountant in our business - Milton Shearer, holocaust survivor. He still had his tatoo. Totally gentle person. Don't know if he was a pacifist. Never went into those issues with him. Just some thoughts triggered by you introduction. _ - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. a nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I believe he even had people dress up at one point. Rick had at one time posted this (I don't know if he ever got a response): Of course Rick had some rumours posted, thats his nature, he can't help it though he seems to need help. Perhaps Suptken could take him on since they are more or less on the same level. That's why he created FFL, for nitwits like yourself to post sick garbage. The dress you refer to, and in your deeply troubeled mind connects to nazism was suits with differnt colours for different states of consciousness. It was just an idea and one that was quickly dropped. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever check out the video I mentioned the documentary I mentioned the other day, The Occult History of the Third Reich? You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I believe he even had people dress up at one point. Lurk Don't know about that. I would be pretty careful about making such a statement without SOMETHING to back it up, BUT, was anyone else in the fieldhouse when Walter Koch was adressing the student body and said, German youth, instead of student youth, which I believe he meant to say? That was a funny moment.
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I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed with a facile phrase like the Nazis highjacked the New Age. I've done long and serious scholarship and research on the topic. The New Age (for lack of a better term) aspect of German fascism was swept under the rug beginning with the Nuremberg war crimes trials, so this Egon guy probably never heard of it. I would never have heard of it either if I hadn't been meditating by some real fluke. Nazi Germany was crawling with all kinds of gurus--not just Indian, but also Tibetan, Chinese and Japanese. But as soon as the war was over in 45, they all vanished over night. I mean totally vanished in one swell foop so radical that it must have been orchestrated through a single source. The guy who taught me when I was six was a left over who was hiding out under a shepherd's cloak. Whatever else meditation may be, it certainly is also a fabulous social engineering tool. Consider: Maharishi took a bunch of freedom and democracy loving hippies, and, in the space of twenty years, turned them into firm believers in the divine right of kings, appointed by a superior priest caste, naturally--one with the power, no doubt, to off unruly rulers. There isn't a single article of faith that's current in the meditating community in Fairfield that wasn't also current among the initiated in Germany under Hitler. All the phrases we use here were familiar to me beginning with Established in Being, perform action. In that state, you do not incur bad karma, even when the action involves medical experiments, painful and often lethal, on other human beings. After all, they had chosen that life; moreover, they were performing a service to help bring heaven on earth for a thousand years. a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our newest member, Angela, who just joined FFL yesterday when she left the Wednesday night satsang group in disgust, posted this cool and profoundly thoughtful email that I'll bet everyone missed because the title was misleading. Take a look! She hails from Nazii Germany and is observing some interesting stuff in the Fairfield community. (Note:Pompous shit is a reference to something posted yesterday about an alleged attitude manifested by some members of her previous group.) Angela writes: Pompous shit is a somewhat condensed locution, so I'll be a little more discursive about it. Anything at all can be constructed with words (and deconstructed) , including the semblance of enlightenment. Anyone with half a brain can learn the lingo pretty quickly, and this is not just about us, but about any group that calls itself us. After you learn the lingo, it becomes a game of one-upmanship among the guys and a petting zoo among the girls. And I didn't like the general attitude: More enlightened than thou is no improvement on Holier than thou. I saw too much of that in the Wednesday night satsang group after observing it for about a year, and had too many experiences of folks who didn't want ideas challenged in any way. So I left somewhat precipitously. Another reason I left, though, was that they really were completely unwilling to deal with the questions I, personally, have about the whole enlightenment trip. I was born in Nazi Germany, saw the tail end of the war myself, and then grew up in an environment in which all kinds of Nazis (including bliss-Nazis) tried to come to terms with the experience of the Third Reich. My physics teacher in High School had been a famous scientist and a member of the SS and, because early one morning he caught me meditating, we became friends as well. To him, and to my mother, meditation meant fascism. A vegetarian, Hitler was guru to the SS, in every sense of the word, and he did group meditations with the top brass. imo Hitler was insane, and a real asshole to boot. For possibly a second point of view, I worked and lived very closely with a fellow, Egon, who was an archeologist and spent a year at the Kansas City Capitals Project. He too had been born in Nazi Germany-- his dad was a soldier in the regular army and after his city was bombed to dust, ate the equivalent of roadkill to stay alive. He was no fan of the Nazis, to say the least. Now this wasn't Fairfield, but we were working directly for the TMO, so many of the same dynamics were possibly at play. There was something of a defacto class system between the Governors as they were known, and us, the worker bees earning our Siddhis course. Whatever. Egon expressed dislike for one of the Guvs especially but I didn't hear him
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On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. a Who's they Angela? The Thule society? The Theosophical Society?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk
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On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed with a facile phrase like the Nazis highjacked the New Age. I've done long and serious scholarship and research on the topic. The New Age (for lack of a better term) aspect of German fascism was swept under the rug beginning with the Nuremberg war crimes trials, so this Egon guy probably never heard of it. I would never have heard of it either if I hadn't been meditating by some real fluke. Nazi Germany was crawling with all kinds of gurus--not just Indian, but also Tibetan, Chinese and Japanese. But as soon as the war was over in 45, they all vanished over night. I mean totally vanished in one swell foop so radical that it must have been orchestrated through a single source. The guy who taught me when I was six was a left over who was hiding out under a shepherd's cloak. I know you're busy being a host to guests but I have to ask, are you assigning some malicious intent from these easterners in Germany or a compassionate one? The Tibetans (in particular) had a long-standing connection with eastern Europe, esp. the Russian Tsars. In fact after the Tibetan diaspora numerous texts which were lost could only be rediscovered in Russia, where a large repository still exists.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Links between New Age and Naziism -- in Fairfield? There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. a Who are “they” and how do you know this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: 10/14/2007 9:22 AM
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Angela Mailander wrote: I might not have time to elaborate too much this week since I've got a house guest from China staying with me. But I'll do what I can. Also, it's a big subject that can't be dealt with in a few emails. It definitely can't be dismissed with a facile phrase like the Nazis highjacked the New Age. I've done long and serious scholarship and research on the topic. The New Age (for lack of a better term) aspect of German fascism was swept under the rug beginning with the Nuremberg war crimes trials, so this Egon guy probably never heard of it. I would never have heard of it either if I hadn't been meditating by some real fluke. Nazi Germany was crawling with all kinds of gurus--not just Indian, but also Tibetan, Chinese and Japanese. But as soon as the war was over in 45, they all vanished over night. I mean totally vanished in one swell foop so radical that it must have been orchestrated through a single source. The guy who taught me when I was six was a left over who was hiding out under a shepherd's cloak. Go read my comment under the But Then It Was Too Late topic. ;-) Whatever else meditation may be, it certainly is also a fabulous social engineering tool. Consider: Maharishi took a bunch of freedom and democracy loving hippies, and, in the space of twenty years, turned them into firm believers in the divine right of kings, appointed by a superior priest caste, naturally--one with the power, no doubt, to off unruly rulers. I've said the same thing here too. How MMY took many of the college age kids of the time who might have been the shakers and movers of the day and distracted them. A lot of us however dropped the movement over 20 years ago. In fact I thought things started getting weird when MMY mentioned dignity and his followers thought it meant selling silk shirts. Of course things back fired as some of the kids who would have been shakers and movers decided they wanted to be financially independent so they could spend more time around MMY. Instead they got so tied up with their businesses and making money they forgot about TM and MMY altogether. :) Alan Watt (the very alive Canadian not Watts the 70's philosopher) talks a lot about this kind of social engineering and predictive programming. There are a lot of MP3s on his site about this. He also seems to feel TM was a conspiracy to create a Christian like form of Hinduism. http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html There isn't a single article of faith that's current in the meditating community in Fairfield that wasn't also current among the initiated in Germany under Hitler. All the phrases we use here were familiar to me beginning with Established in Being, perform action. In that state, you do not incur bad karma, even when the action involves medical experiments, painful and often lethal, on other human beings. After all, they had chosen that life; moreover, they were performing a service to help bring heaven on earth for a thousand years. a Don't forget a thousand points of light. This of course why people like me left the TMO long ago.
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lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk This guy certainly has a wild imagination when it comes to the subject: http://www.jamescasbolt.com/future.htm
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You also may not be aware, Mahesh was a real Hitler fan according to some movement insiders. I challenge you to verify these claims. You are a f. lier ! I'll post what I can find. Here's the first one: Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. Msg. #51983 Of course he was-- how else could he have ammassed all of his power; conquering many countries, implementing his unspeakable atrocities, if it wasn't a manifestation of his own personal power? Those mechanics don't change whether a person is good or evil. I don't think that's the question. The question is 'why was Mahesh so darn fascinated by the guy'? Is he? Has he published endless volumes, and spoken at length about Hitler, for years? Sure doesn't seem that way from what little you have shared--it looks like a pretty minor interest on Maharishi's part. Could it be he is an Asuriac guru just lookin' for some tips? It is clear you'd like the answer to this to be yes, so why ask me?
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Who's they is a good question, and I know for sure that I can't know what the upper levels of the governing hierarchy are. I know for sure the Vatican was very much involved in the creation of Hitler. And Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the financing. In 1947 Senator Homer T. Bone (yes, really his name) told the U.S. Congress, Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben ---I.G. Farben being the corporation that created Hitler and that manufactured the poisonous gases for the death camps. But Paul Warburg (father of the Fed. Reserve) sat on the board of directors of Farben, and Senator Bone could have said what he said about Farben about General Electric and a dozen other U.S. corporations. Like Iraq, Germany was a feeding frenzy for American corporations. Interesting you mention Icke. Isn't he the guy who argues that we were bio-engineered by space aliens? That was a story Hitler also believed to be true. Yet Icke seems to act as if the idea was original with him. a lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a misunderstanding that I'd like to clear up right from the start. Hitler was not responsible for fascism. Hitler was a tool that was used. They did a talent search for a dictator, very openly. Then, when they found their man, they groomed him and educated him, gave him new clothes, new pronunciation, new ways to think, groovy yogic techniques, etc. They manufactured Hitler in their ashram, quite literally. And who is they? lurk P.S. I am guessing it is the usual suspects, Rothchilds etc. Not that I doubt that, I really don't know. I've read Icke. Find some stuff preposterous, some credible. Haven't read him in a while. lurk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
