[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid Dreaming and Witnessing Dreaming are generally considered to be two different things. Even people who have never practiced TM but are interested in Lucid Dreaming accept the distinction, or at least, the websites I have seen that discuss Lucid Dreaming have a separate section where Witnessing Dreaming is discussed. The physiological correlates are entirely different: Witnessing Dreaming is integration of the coherent alpha EEG found during TM with the dream state. Lucid Dreaming is integration of the coherent gamma EEG found during other meditation practices with the dream state. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice. It is the manifestation of transcendental consciousness in the dreaming state. MMY has stated that TC can be automatically maintained in the waking, sleeping and dreaming states. But there are junctures in between these states where pure consciousness exists--that is, the state of no thought. In this particular discussion, MMY asked a rhetorical question: what would happen if a person can both maintain the waking and dreaming states at the same time? Personally, I don't know the answer. Also, IMO, dreams are influenced partially by the transit of the Moon as it progresses through the various zodiacs on a nightly basis. IOW, the Moon has a magnetic effect on a person's brain, thus influencing various parts of the brain that includes personality, memory and inherent personal behaviors. On a more esoteric levels, it through dreams that a person can get a personal message from the unified field. It is through dreams that one gets some subtle insight into your past life karma, and possible events that will happen in the future, both near and far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
S3, Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice. It is the manifestation of transcendental consciousness in the dreaming state. MMY has stated that TC can be automatically maintained in the waking, sleeping and dreaming states. But there are junctures in between these states where pure consciousness exists--that is, the state of no thought. In this particular discussion, MMY asked a rhetorical question: what would happen if a person can both maintain the waking and dreaming states at the same time? Personally, I don't know the answer. Also, IMO, dreams are influenced partially by the transit of the Moon as it progresses through the various zodiacs on a nightly basis. IOW, the Moon has a magnetic effect on a person's brain, thus influencing various parts of the brain that includes personality, memory and inherent personal behaviors. On a more esoteric levels, it through dreams that a person can get a personal message from the unified field. It is through dreams that one gets some subtle insight into your past life karma, and possible events that will happen in the future, both near and far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
What would happen if a person can both maintain the waking and dreaming states at the same time? Happens all the time. It's call schizophrenia.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Re Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice.: Yes, that's possibly a factor, but though meditation has sometimes given me that sense that I'm awake all night - ie, there is no gap in the continuity of awareness - even if I'm in deep-sleep consciousness (or dreaming), it is more a maintenance of the witnessing state. But the lucid thing is more an ego trip - it's my relative self playing with images from the subconscious but with that critical self-awareness intact that is always there in the waking state but is normally absent during dreams. I agree with emptybill's post about maintaining the waking and dreaming states at the same time. It's probably what really does happen during some types of mental illness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice. It is the manifestation of transcendental consciousness in the dreaming state. MMY has stated that TC can be automatically maintained in the waking, sleeping and dreaming states. But there are junctures in between these states where pure consciousness exists--that is, the state of no thought. In this particular discussion, MMY asked a rhetorical question: what would happen if a person can both maintain the waking and dreaming states at the same time? Personally, I don't know the answer. Also, IMO, dreams are influenced partially by the transit of the Moon as it progresses through the various zodiacs on a nightly basis. IOW, the Moon has a magnetic effect on a person's brain, thus influencing various parts of the brain that includes personality, memory and inherent personal behaviors. On a more esoteric levels, it through dreams that a person can get a personal message from the unified field. It is through dreams that one gets some subtle insight into your past life karma, and possible events that will happen in the future, both near and far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice.: Yes, that's possibly a factor, but though meditation has sometimes given me that sense that I'm awake all night - ie, there is no gap in the continuity of awareness - even if I'm in deep-sleep consciousness (or dreaming), it is more a maintenance of the witnessing state. But the lucid thing is more an ego trip - it's my relative self playing with images from the subconscious but with that critical self-awareness intact that is always there in the waking state but is normally absent during dreams. I agree with emptybill's post about maintaining the waking and dreaming states at the same time. It's probably what really does happen during some types of mental illness. I think anything that happens that feels unnatural or is wyyy out of the ordinary is probably not something you want to pursue very hard. I mean, to be dreaming and awake at the same time is sort of like feeling hot and cold simultaneously or happy and sad at the same time. They are two separate feelings or states so why not allow them to be separate? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, Lucid dreaming is a result of your meditation practice. It is the manifestation of transcendental consciousness in the dreaming state. MMY has stated that TC can be automatically maintained in the waking, sleeping and dreaming states. But there are junctures in between these states where pure consciousness exists--that is, the state of no thought. In this particular discussion, MMY asked a rhetorical question: what would happen if a person can both maintain the waking and dreaming states at the same time? Personally, I don't know the answer. Also, IMO, dreams are influenced partially by the transit of the Moon as it progresses through the various zodiacs on a nightly basis. IOW, the Moon has a magnetic effect on a person's brain, thus influencing various parts of the brain that includes personality, memory and inherent personal behaviors. On a more esoteric levels, it through dreams that a person can get a personal message from the unified field. It is through dreams that one gets some subtle insight into your past life karma, and possible events that will happen in the future, both near and far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the world today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place
such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising
Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the
world today.
Translation: Maharishi didn't know how to teach this and I've never experienced
it, therefore it has no value.
insert appropriate stomping of feet, shouting, and other forms of Tantrum Yoga
here :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no
techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so
compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at
my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the
events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I
suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few
times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the
techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it
was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which
included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you
can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about
the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into
the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state.
Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit
yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on
a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever
floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed
dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left
the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience.
My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your
whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are
like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power
and others have a more dominant will?
Anyone had a similar experience?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the world today. Translation: Maharishi didn't know how to teach this and I've never experienced it, therefore it has no value. insert appropriate stomping of feet, shouting, and other forms of Tantrum Yoga here :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to “apprehend the dream” (attain
conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of
physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the
dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place
such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising
Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the
characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just
a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on
with their roles!
My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could
awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was
indeed the case.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no
techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so
compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at
my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the
events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I
suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few
times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the
techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it
was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which
included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you
can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about
the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into
the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state.
Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit
yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on
a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever
floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed
dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left
the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience.
My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your
whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are
like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power
and others have a more dominant will?
Anyone had a similar experience?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
On 11/16/2014 6:57 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to “apprehend the dream” (attain conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness. In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state is part of /Dzogchen/ training. This is described by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /'Rigpa Awareness', /which is very similar to /'witnessing sleep'/ in TM. A process that helps the individual understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:19 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. I'd have to agree about the lucid dreaming's lack of importance. It just simply is something that happens to me all the time since I am a voracious dreamer and always have been. I feel fortunate because it simply means I have 24 hour life experience to draw on and plus, it is fun to play around with your dreams and see how it feels to fly and die and all sorts of kundalini type stuff can happen when you put your mind to it. But I never knew this had an actual name or was something people practiced. Everyone dreams and everyone thinks so have fun with your dreams and forget the idea of lucidity. I don't think because you realize you are dreaming and can change stuff in your dreams that you have any special awareness or ability.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. I'd have to agree about the lucid dreaming's lack of importance. It just simply is something that happens to me all the time since I am a voracious dreamer and always have been. I feel fortunate because it simply means I have 24 hour life experience to draw on and plus, it is fun to play around with your dreams and see how it feels to fly and die and all sorts of kundalini type stuff can happen when you put your mind to it. But I never knew this had an actual name or was something people practiced. Everyone dreams and everyone thinks so have fun with your dreams and forget the idea of lucidity. I don't think because you realize you are dreaming and can change stuff in your dreams that you have any special awareness or ability.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! On 11/16/2014 9:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. /In dreams you can do anything you can do in the waking state, but not vice-versa. In dreams you can run and jump and consult with your friends. But, in the waking state you just can't jump as high as in a dream./ (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) /One of the great blessings when you have an SO is you have someone to tell your dreams to in the morning. And, it is also a great blessing to have an SO that will tell you their dreams.//It may be boring, but it is still a blessing to have an SO./ So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) /You can use your activity as your meditation object, same difference, meditation-in-action, if you enjoy./ PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera. /Good point!/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Yeah, I have probably fought it more often than not, when it is time to meditate. And that has been going on for almost 40 years! Nonetheless, I use what little self discipline I have, to persevere. Re the deer, yes, I am working on a personal relationship, not to convince them that all humans are a-ok. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I have probably fought it more often than not, when it is time to meditate. And that has been going on for almost 40 years! Nonetheless, I use what little self discipline I have, to persevere. Re the deer, yes, I am working on a personal relationship, not to convince them that all humans are a-ok. Good man. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Thanks for the feedback - particularly Michael and Richard. Yes, utilising a lucid dream as part of one's spiritual growth - or at least to explore one's more subtle states of consciousness - sounds more promising than just escaping into another gratifying fantasy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Thanks for the feedback - particularly Michael and Richard. Yes, utilising a lucid dream as part of one's spiritual growth - or at least to explore one's more subtle states of consciousness - sounds more promising than just escaping into another gratifying fantasy. Introducing my bija mantra while dreaming is an intriguing suggestion! It will be fun to see how it compares with a regular TM session.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Re So for me, what worked to enable me to want to was lifting my own hands in front of my eyes and then focusing on them as I began to first touch items in the dream, and then gesture at them . . . change the entire dreamscape.: Thanks - I'll try that next time I happen to go lucid. Interesting that my experience follows the same pattern as your many, many experiences. Like you, although I have often had unpleasant dreams I've been glad to awaken from, I don't think I've ever had a full-on nightmare (not like the ones you see in movies in which the character awakens in a cold sweat). One aspect of lucid dreaming that alarmed me was the revelation of one chap who had spent time learning how to be a regular lucid voyager. He mentioned that he occasionally had night terrors - that scary state in which you are simultaneously awake but your body is paralyzed (the paralysis a natural defense mechanism to protect us during dreams so that we don't thrash around) and sufferers can often feel a demon or alien crouching on their chest. It sounded to me, from his narration, that he'd never experienced night terrors until he started trying to induce lucid dreams. A warning that we shouldn't mess with our natural routines . . ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back when I was practicing Tibetan dream yoga (their version of lucid dreaming), I would have many, many experiences similar to the one you mention in the first paragraph. The tell was that upon waking (for real), I'd 1) remember the dreams and waking up in them with some clarity (as opposed to haziness that faded in a few minutes) and 2) then go back to sleep and go back into the *same* dream. My favorite such dream was once when I ran into some gnarly things trying to kill me in my dream. That *rarely* happened with me -- I think I can count the number of nightmares or bad dreams I've had in my life on the fingers of both hands -- but this one was pretty gnarly. Man-beasts of some kind were definitely trying to kill me, and it was *personal* (trying to assassinate *me*, as opposed to just killing everything in sight). I was running from them in the dream, just in survival mode because I didn't have any weapons to defend myself, and then decided that the best way to survive was to wake up. So I did. I found myself covered with sweat and still shaking a bit from the experience, but it was still the middle of the night and I knew what tended to happen when I'd go back to sleep after one of these lucid dreams, so I looked around my room and found the fake samurai sword (real Japanese, but lacking an edge because I used it in my Kendo classes and we tried not to kill each other there). I grabbed it, pulled it into bed with me, went back to sleep, and voila...found myself back in the same dream, with the same astral badasses still trying to get me. But now I had the sword. And in the dream it was a real sword, with a real edge. To quote W. C. Fields, I hacked my way through mounds of flesh and awoke refreshed. :-) I am far from the world's leading expert in lucid dreaming, and in fact don't try to practice it any more. If it happens, it happens; if it doesn't, I don't try to make it happen. But I do remember that the key to taking control in my lucid dreams always started by following Carlos Castaneda's advice of finding my hands. I'd be awake in the dream, meaning that there was a me witnessing everything, and then have a secondary wakening and realize that I could change things if I wanted to. So for me, what worked to enable me to want to was lifting my own hands in front of my eyes and then focusing on them as I began to first touch items in the dream, and then gesture at them. The gestures over time allowed me to change their color or nature or -- as you say -- change the entire dreamscape and go somewhere else. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. I get these stress dreams where I am supposed to be in a horse show in like 5 minutes and my horse isn't braided, I'm not dressed and I don't know my jump course or dressage test. I flail around with this kind of dream for a while, exhausting myself and then suddenly I just say, Oh, for God's sake, this is a dream. Relax. Go do something else. Or else, I am about to fall off a cliff or someone is about to kill me so I think, This is just a dream so let's see what if feels like to get stabbed and to actually die or to fall off a cliff and let's also see if I can start to fly while in mid air.. Stuff like that. But I don't know if this is lucid dreaming or just experimenting in your sleep while you dream.
