Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman Robin explained to you why that first remark of Maharishi's is misleading. That was the post I linked to earlier; I gather you didn't bother to reread it. It's really one of his better posts. Just for fun, does anyone remember how I've characterized Judy as a Robin cultist in the past, lurking in the background just waiting for his name to come up again so that she can preach his virtues to people she's trying to convert? Well, she's finally progressed to playing tapes by him, posting links to his greatest hits, and then, when people don't respond the way she wants them to, berating them for not bothering to reread them. Might I point out that she's doing the same thing with Robin that she does with that *other* spiritual teacher she never met (Maharishi), and posting a set of quotes, then declaring that she knows what they mean and how important they are, whereas other people don't. Same cultist, different cult. I am as uninterested in Robin Carlsen now as I was when he was here in person, as opposed to being present in absentia, having his virtues preached by one of his groupies. One of the reasons for this is that -- unlike Judy -- I place very little value on what a person SAYS. I assess them based on what they DO. In this assessment, as I remember it, I was joined by a number of people who were briefly part of Robin's cult back in the day, and who participated on FFL for a short while. Again, as I remember it, *with only one exception* (Ann) not one of them believed that Robin had changed in any significant way since the days they were involved with him. They looked at what he wrote on FFL, and how he treated people on FFL, and saw the same narcissism and the same abusive control freak they'd seen back in the day. And they said so. I tended to agree with them. I wrote Robin off as uninteresting after his first few wall of words posts. Then again, I have had the benefit of many discussions with a person who was a veritable expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder back in Santa Fe, and thus recognized the NPD profile immediately. I had nothing to compare with from the past, but his *present* behaviors on FFL pretty much *screamed* classic NPD, and these present-day behaviors did not seem to differ significantly from any of the stories posted of his behaviors in the past. So I stand now on the assessment I made back then. In my OPINION, I agree with Lawson -- Robin was never enlightened. The subjective experiences that he talked about were in my opinion the result of a bad drug cocktail, consisting of the combination of lifelong, well-established Narcissistic Personality Disorder enhanced by the psychotropic effects of long rounding. He had a few minor experiences, and being the narcissist he was, *projected onto them* the highest state he'd been told about by Maharishi -- Unity. From the little I read of his narcisso-rants, *few to none of them* ever coincided with Maharishi's descriptions of what perception would actually be like from the state of Unity. They were pretty much all from the point of view of Robin's Ego, and the world he saw around him was all merely a reflection of Robin's Ego. That's NPD, not Unity. All of this said, I certainly don't mind if people here continue to discuss him as if he were worth their time. It's their time -- and life -- to waste, if they get off on that sorta thing. But assuming that Lawson *didn't* bother to go back and read the homework Judy assigned to him in her attempts to convert him, I will be joining him in this approach in the future. I perceived Robin's writings here -- both past and present -- as complete ego-rants steeped in narcissism and devoid of any value, spiritual or otherwise. I didn't bother to read most of them then, and I'm certainly not about to bother with them now. Life is too short to spend reading the manifestos of crazy people. There. Now I've commented, so Judy can claim to have pushed my buttons. I know this won't make her as happy as, say, someone here saying, Wow. You're RIGHT, Judy. I was all wrong about Robin, but now I realize that he was just as interesting as you believe he was. Sign me up for the next Robin Cult group satsang and orgy! But at least she can claim some kinda win. :-) Narcissists fall for other narcissists. People who believe that what they SAY is more important than what they DO always fall for others who believe the same thing. I've said it before and I'll possibly say it again -- Judy fell for Robin because he's the only person she's ever encountered on this forum crazier and more established in narcissism than she is. Now you all can go back to discussing him and reading his greatest hits, as reposted by his cult
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Richard, this is just merudanda being delightful. Similar to when you repeat that the monstrosity fertilizer plant Heartland Co-op should be located in town so people can walk to it (-: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:57 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/4/2014 6:47 PM, merudanda wrote: FWIW in danada`s holding meruop-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice You are not even making any sense - it sounds complicated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Prattle. On 6/5/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just for fun, does anyone remember how I've characterized Judy as a Robin cultist in the past, lurking in the background just waiting for his name to come up again so that she can preach his virtues to people she's trying to convert? Well, she's finally progressed to playing tapes by him, posting links to his greatest hits, and then, when people don't respond the way she wants them to, berating them for not bothering to reread them. Might I point out that she's doing the same thing with Robin that she does with that *other* spiritual teacher she never met (Maharishi), and posting a set of quotes, then declaring that she knows what they mean and how important they are, whereas other people don't. Same cultist, different cult. I am as uninterested in Robin Carlsen now as I was when he was here in person, as opposed to being present in absentia, having his virtues preached by one of his groupies. One of the reasons for this is that -- unlike Judy -- I place very little value on what a person SAYS. I assess them based on what they DO. In this assessment, as I remember it, I was joined by a number of people who were briefly part of Robin's cult back in the day, and who participated on FFL for a short while. Again, as I remember it, *with only one exception* (Ann) not one of them believed that Robin had changed in any significant way since the days they were involved with him. They looked at what he wrote on FFL, and how he treated people on FFL, and saw the same narcissism and the same abusive control freak they'd seen back in the day. And they said so. I tended to agree with them. I wrote Robin off as uninteresting after his first few wall of words posts. Then again, I have had the benefit of many discussions with a person who was a veritable expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder back in Santa Fe, and thus recognized the NPD profile immediately. I had nothing to compare with from the past, but his *present* behaviors on FFL pretty much *screamed* classic NPD, and these present-day behaviors did not seem to differ significantly from any of the stories posted of his behaviors in the past. So I stand now on the assessment I made back then. In my OPINION, I agree with Lawson -- Robin was never enlightened. The subjective experiences that he talked about were in my opinion the result of a bad drug cocktail, consisting of the combination of lifelong, well-established Narcissistic Personality Disorder enhanced by the psychotropic effects of long rounding. He had a few minor experiences, and being the narcissist he was, *projected onto them* the highest state he'd been told about by Maharishi -- Unity. From the little I read of his narcisso-rants, *few to none of them* ever coincided with Maharishi's descriptions of what perception would actually be like from the state of Unity. They were pretty much all from the point of view of Robin's Ego, and the world he saw around him was all merely a reflection of Robin's Ego. That's NPD, not Unity. All of this said, I certainly don't mind if people here continue to discuss him as if he were worth their time. It's their time -- and life -- to waste, if they get off on that sorta thing. But assuming that Lawson *didn't* bother to go back and read the homework Judy assigned to him in her attempts to convert him, I will be joining him in this approach in the future. I perceived Robin's writings here -- both past and present -- as complete ego-rants steeped in narcissism and devoid of any value, spiritual or otherwise. I didn't bother to read most of them then, and I'm certainly not about to bother with them now. Life is too short to spend reading the manifestos of crazy people. There. Now I've commented, so Judy can claim to have pushed my buttons. I know this won't make her as happy as, say, someone here saying, Wow. You're RIGHT, Judy. I was all wrong about Robin, but now I realize that he was just as interesting as you believe he was. Sign me up for the next Robin Cult group satsang and orgy! But at least she can claim some kinda win. :-) Narcissists fall for other narcissists. People who believe that what they SAY is more important than what they DO always fall for others who believe the same thing. I've said it before and I'll possibly say it again -- Judy fell for Robin because he's the only person she's ever encountered on this forum crazier and more established in narcissism than she is. Now you all can go back to discussing him and reading his greatest hits, as reposted by his cult follower. I've got more important things to do, like washing my socks... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
On 6/5/2014 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, this is just merudanda being delightful. Similar to when you repeat that the monstrosity fertilizer plant Heartland Co-op should be located in town so people can walk to it (-: We don't follow the local news in Farifield, IA very closely - so we probably thought a /food co-op/ was a place owned by it's members where members can buy food to eat, like whole grains, vegetables and fruits and other stuff. It is kind of confusing to call a place a /food co-op/ that sells just fertilizer. Go figure. What I want to know is where can people in Fairfiled buy organic whole grains within walking distance of their homes. Do you think anyone in Fairfield would be interested in starting a food co-op that would sell food and food proucts at a discount? That's one way to reduce the cost of food, since the rent is already way too damn high.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, this is just merudanda being delightful. Similar to when you repeat that the monstrosity fertilizer plant Heartland Co-op should be located in town so people can walk to it (-: I think Richard thinks a co-op means a grocery store. He doesn't get out much. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:57 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/4/2014 6:47 PM, merudanda wrote: FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice You are not even making any sense - it sounds complicated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
The perennial question: Does Barry actually believe the garbage and flat-out lies he's spouted here, or does he simply think readers are so stupid they'll believe it's all true? In any case, he's attacking me because he's still smarting from his fiasco two days ago about the empty message I had sent accidentally--first perceiving it as purple-faced apoplexy, and then claiming this message with nothing in it was a result of my having jumped the gun and sent it when I was halfway through writing it. What a hoot. Needless, as usual, to point out, nothing he says about me or Robin below is true. (Just as a for-instance, does anyone remember my having played tapes of Robin on FFL? Apparently Barry had a nightmare of my doing so and thinks it was reality.) Another telling line: He declares he's always been uninterested in Robin. Anybody who's been reading his posts knows he's been obsessed with Robin ever since Robin turned up here, and still is, after Robin's long gone--this very post is proof. He also reiterates his idiotic say/do dichotomy, seemingly not aware that all we know about on FFL is what other posters say, not what they do. That's one of his weirder notions. As to what Barry calls Robin's minor experiences, they were enough for Maharishi to ask Robin to describe them to the participants on his six-month course, with cameras running. It's unclear whether Maharishi actually endorsed Robin as being in Unity consciousness, but Maharishi clearly thought his experiences were significant. It's amusing that in another of his posts today, Barry insists (correctly) that because experiences are subjective, we can't tell from someone's account of their experiences whether they're enlightened or not--yet Barry here declares that he can tell Robin wasn't. Another classic Barry: I perceived Robin's writings here -- both past and present -- as complete ego-rants steeped in narcissism and devoid of any value, spiritual or otherwise. I didn't bother to read most of them then, and I'm certainly not about to bother with them now. He didn't bother to read most of Robin's posts, yet he perceived none of them to have any value. Only Barry could write that without realizing it makes him look like an utter doofus. (Be interesting to know, too, where Barry has seen present posts of Robin. He hasn't posted anything since April of last year. Both past and present is a rhetorical flourish, one of many Barry puts in his posts because they sound good, even though they make no sense.) Hey, Barry, relax, for pete's sake. I didn't suggest you read any of Robin's old posts. Finally: Now I've commented, so Judy can claim to have pushed my buttons. I'm not sure how Barry perceives that my post to Lawson, which didn't mention or allude to Barry in any way, was intended to push his buttons. I guess it's easier to do than he claims. ;-) I won't go into all the other lies and misstatements in this post. If the lurking reporters are interested, they (or any other lurker) is welcome to contact me privately. Likewise, if any of the active participants here thinks any of what he said might be valid, I'll be happy to explain why it's not, in public. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman Robin explained to you why that first remark of Maharishi's is misleading. That was the post I linked to earlier; I gather you didn't bother to reread it. It's really one of his better posts. Just for fun, does anyone remember how I've characterized Judy as a Robin cultist in the past, lurking in the background just waiting for his name to come up again so that she can preach his virtues to people she's trying to convert? Well, she's finally progressed to playing tapes by him, posting links to his greatest hits, and then, when people don't respond the way she wants them to, berating them for not bothering to reread them. Might I point out that she's doing the same thing with Robin that she does with that *other* spiritual teacher she never met (Maharishi), and posting a set of quotes, then declaring that she knows what they mean and how important they are, whereas other people don't. Same cultist, different cult. I am as uninterested in Robin Carlsen now as I was when he was here in person, as opposed to being present in absentia, having his virtues preached by one of his groupies. One of the reasons for this is that -- unlike Judy -- I place very little value on what a person SAYS. I assess them based on what they DO. In this assessment, as I remember it, I was joined by a number of people who were briefly part of Robin's cult back in the day, and who participated on FFL
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Richard, Everybody's and Dome Market sell organic whole grains and are in walking distance of many homes. Hy-Vee is in biking distance. Are you and Rita considering Santa Rosa because there is a Whole Foods on every corner? (-: On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:34 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/5/2014 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, this is just merudanda being delightful. Similar to when you repeat that the monstrosity fertilizer plant Heartland Co-op should be located in town so people can walk to it (-: We don't follow the local news in Farifield, IA very closely - so we probably thought a food co-op was a place owned by it's members where members can buy food to eat, like whole grains, vegetables and fruits and other stuff. It is kind of confusing to call a place a food co-op that sells just fertilizer. Go figure. What I want to know is where can people in Fairfiled buy organic whole grains within walking distance of their homes. Do you think anyone in Fairfield would be interested in starting a food co-op that would sell food and food proucts at a discount? That's one way to reduce the cost of food, since the rent is already way too damn high.
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On 6/5/2014 8:45 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think Richard thinks a co-op means a grocery store. He doesn't get out much. A Food Co-op implies that it is a business owned by it's members and a store that sells food to consumers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_cooperative You can't eat fertilizer - well you can, but it is probably not all that tasty. Go figure. https://www.facebook.com/pages/San-Antonio-Food-Co-op/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/San-Antonio-Food-Co-op/161970057147117
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On 6/5/2014 9:51 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I won't go into all the other lies and misstatements in this post. If the lurking reporters are interested, they (or any other lurker) is welcome to contact me privately. Likewise, if any of the active participants here thinks any of what he said might be valid, I'll be happy to explain why it's not, in public. Maybe the lurkers would be interested in reading a psychological analysis of Barry Wright, alias Uncle Tantra (UT) and the TurquoiseB (TB). /Uncle Tantra (UT) is suffering from acute Narcissism. Because he// //dropped-out of both TM and Rama's program he needs to rewrite// //history and trash religious groups that he once belonged to. Yet at// //the same time he needs to show-off to current followers and write// //spiritual essays of the same teachers he trashes in private. By// //engaging in this neurotic contradiction any personal failures are// //covered-up by UT's dual positions. Uncle Tantra's ego can instead// //present to others the image he clings to: a great writer, an advanced// //spiritual seeker that has gone into Samadhi, and the hip 60's// //Jungian wise-old man persona that he so pathetically attempts to// //cultivate in his ramblings and even through his name Uncle Tantra./ From: Garuda Subject: Barry Wright Uncle Tantra Trashing Rama Dr. Frederick Lenz - An analysis Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.dreams.castaneda, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: 2003-05-07 13:39:57 PST http://tinyurl.com/jonw
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/5/2014 9:51 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I won't go into all the other lies and misstatements in this post. If the lurking reporters are interested, they (or any other lurker) is welcome to contact me privately. Likewise, if any of the active participants here thinks any of what he said might be valid, I'll be happy to explain why it's not, in public. Maybe the lurkers would be interested in reading a psychological analysis of Barry Wright, alias Uncle Tantra (UT) and the TurquoiseB (TB). Uncle Tantra (UT) is suffering from acute Narcissism. Because he dropped-out of both TM and Rama's program he needs to rewrite history and trash religious groups that he once belonged to. Yet at the same time he needs to show-off to current followers and write spiritual essays of the same teachers he trashes in private. By engaging in this neurotic contradiction any personal failures are covered-up by UT's dual positions. Uncle Tantra's ego can instead present to others the image he clings to: a great writer, an advanced spiritual seeker that has gone into Samadhi, and the hip 60's Jungian wise-old man persona that he so pathetically attempts to cultivate in his ramblings and even through his name Uncle Tantra. From: Garuda Subject: Barry Wright Uncle Tantra Trashing Rama Dr. Frederick Lenz - An analysis Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.dreams.castaneda, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: 2003-05-07 13:39:57 PST Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/jonw Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/jonw Google Groups allows you to create and participate in online forums and email-based groups with a rich experience for community conversations. View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/jonw Preview by Yahoo WHAT?! Bawee has been acting like this since at least 2003? You've got to be kidding. (Geezuz Empty, if this isn't cause for heckling - or at lease incredulity - I don't know what is.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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I am in complete agreement, that without consequent worldly success, all the spiritual proclamations in the world, are worthless. Eye on the ball. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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Robin explained to you why that first remark of Maharishi's is misleading. That was the post I linked to earlier; I gather you didn't bother to reread it. It's really one of his better posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
?? During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!?! FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed and appears naturally by cosmic demand to recognize silently from within of within a tape amicale without outer noise and certainly no public assurancethe UC in the focused seeker--- in order to stop-settle down lovely- intimate with a laughing twinkle of an eye the chasing fleeting wood of UC? just asking without cosmic demand and then.. .. if I should ever go away Well, then close your eyes and try To feel the way we do today And then if you can remember Keep smiling, keep shining That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For is a 1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
?? During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!?! FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed and appears naturally by cosmic demand to recognize silently with a tape amicale from within of within without outer noise and certainly no public assurancethe UC in the focused seeker--- in order to stop-settle down lovely- intimate with a laughing twinkle of an eye the chasing fleeting wood of UC? just asking without cosmic demand and then.. .. if I should ever go away Well, then close your eyes and try To feel the way we do today And then if you can remember Keep smiling, keep shining That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For is a 1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
It's helpful to distinguish self (the small egoic self) from Self (cap S), Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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The question was the question. The answer from people who were planning on learning TM was in the first group. The answers from people who had learned TM but didn't report much, if any, witnessing was in the second group. The answers from people who had learned TM and reported witnessing 24 hours a day, 7 days a week continuously for at least 1 year, were in the 3rd group. Correlated teh answers with EEG patterns and came up with his Brain Integration Scale. Other researchers have used this scale and compared the EEG and response to the question for world-champion (consistently score in teh Top Ten in their event in world-level games) and non-champions (consistently score in the bottom 50% in the same games). The self-actualizing champions tended to show EEG patterns and response questions somewhere between those of groups 2 and 3 in the original study. ANother study compared award-winning managers in a larger firm vs the rank-and-file manager, and found roughly the same results on both EEG and self-description. Fred believes that his Brain Integration Scale is potentially a marker for stress and self-actualization. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's helpful to distinguish self (the small egoic self) from Self (cap S), Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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Fleetwood, for me it's not a CONCEPT of near and dear Self. It's an isness that's closer than the closest, almost impossible to put into words. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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On 6/4/2014 6:47 PM, merudanda wrote: **FWIW in danada`s holding meruop-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice** You are not even making any sense - it sounds complicated.
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Whoa - ALL CAPS, eh? Self is right! :-) The spiritual explanation for that is, the continuing ripening and enrichment, the strength of the Self, from TC/CC to UC - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, for me it's not a CONCEPT of near and dear Self. It's an isness that's closer than the closest, almost impossible to put into words. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
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I think I'll start my own country next.:-) I am looking at a 42 acre, level, wooded property in the Sierra foothills, about fifteen miles north of Paradise, with a house and large horse barn included (art and music studio, and maybe a couple of cats, too). If I end up there, first priority: design a national flag.-lol- ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ?? During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!?! FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed and appears naturally by cosmic demand to recognize silently with a tape amicale from within of within without outer noise and certainly no public assurancethe UC in the focused seeker--- in order to stop-settle down lovely- intimate with a laughing twinkle of an eye the chasing fleeting wood of UC? just asking without cosmic demand and then.. .. if I should ever go away Well, then close your eyes and try To feel the way we do today And then if you can remember Keep smiling, keep shining That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For is a 1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs Preview by Yahoo
