[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Vaj wrote: > > I still don't buy into the 'guilt by > > association' fallacy which waay so > > tentatively tried/tries to tie him to > > Barack. > > > It just shows poor judgement - how many > times can Barak say: 'That's not the > so-and-so I knew'. Now he will be saying > 'that's not the Governor of Illinois that > I knew.' Wright, Phleger, Rezko, Ayers, > Dorhn, and now Blogocivich, none of which > Barak really 'knew'. Why didn't Barak > 'really' know these guys? > > 'Big risks for Obama in Blago scandal' > By Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin > Politico, December 10, 2008 > http://tinyurl.com/5kgcpy Chicago Slime in the News: 1. It looks like the attorney general Lisa Madigan says Blagojevich is unfit to serve (as in crazy) http://tinyurl.com/5d2s8n and wants IL supreme court to force him out of office immediately and replace him with the Lieutenant Governor. The last thing any of the Democrats in IL, DC and the Congress wants is to have a special election. They would and risk having a Republican win the vote and the new governor would put a Republican in Obama's Senate seat. 2. In order to take the heat off himself, Jessie Jackson, Jr, the wily "candidate #5" is taking a cue from Madigan and digging himself deeper saying Blagojevich has "mental capacity issue" Blagojevich may be corrupt, but crazy he ain't. JJJ should just shut up. http://tinyurl.com/6xb25n 3. William Ayers never changed his stripe, he is still the same skunk he ever was. CHRIS MATTHEWS to Bill Ayers, December 10, 2008, Hardball, MSNBC: "I was a Capitol policeman at the time, so I was one of the guys that could have been killed obviously at the time you put that, your guys put that bomb in there. So I have a little personal interest. It wasn't just vandalism. To me it was life-threatening to the guys I worked with. And there were some pretty good guys working there." After that Chris threw Ayers a softballs the rest of the interview. http://tinyurl.com/6rcd3z Matthews is despicable. He allowed a domestic terrorist on the air to re-write history. It unbelievable Matthews clearly states at the beginning of the interview he was a victim of Ayers organization then he let Ayers shamelessly promote his book, without challenging him. In one moment, Matthews talks about how the bombings affected him and in the next, he fawns all over the man who was responsible. To top it off Matthews has the nerve to ask Ayers if he's scared that Obama is bringing into his cabinet those who supported Authorization for War in Iraq, and specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. Here's how low Matthews' can go just so he can give Hillary another of his many cheap shots: William Ayers, the domestic terrorist is not to be feared. Obama, untested, Chicago politician is not to be feared. Hillary Clinton, respected Senator and lifelong advocate for women and children IS to be feared. MSNBC and Chris Matthews, and all the rest of the the media enabling Ayers and teflon coating Obama should burn in hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > But I'm not sure any of us want to be identified > > > > for the rest of our lives by what we were up to > > > > in our 20's right? > > > > > > > Too bad if you don't - you'll always be known as > > > that 'crazy' guy that joined a religious cult and > > > gave them over $5,000 to learn how to bun-hop. > > > > Curtis wrote: > > I told you I paid $1,500 for my whole sidhis course > > and you never answered my question about your course. > > > Never heard of anyone getting the TM-Sidhi course for > only $1,500 - the Turq said he paid over $5,000 and > Ruth paid $3,000. I got mine on a work-study program. I seem to recall I got mine for FIM 1600, which was prolly about USD 300 - 400 at that time. And Maharishi was told to have been quite mad because of that "stunt", or whatever, of Finnish TM-teachers. :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
> > > Never heard of anyone getting the TM-Sidhi course for > only $1,500 - Fulltime MIU student's first Summer Sidhi course bargain rate. the Turq said he paid over $5,000 and > Ruth paid $3,000. I got mine on a work-study program. That's how I paid for TTC. So I don't really understand why you are goofing on people who paid with cash when you paid with sweat AND cash. > > > You paid $1000 for the flying block but much more > > for you your other magic words. > > > No, I paid nothing for any of my advanced techniques, > and none of them added any 'magic words' - you only > get one single bija mantra in TM - all the rest are > just phrases for fertilizer. That's interesting. We always had to pay for advanced techniques when I was on staff. No breaks and no discounts for full timers. > > > So your "crazy" guy accusation doesn't fly with me. > > We were all in the same pot of believer soup if we > > took the sidhis, and you paid a lot more for yours > > than I did. > > > So, we are agreed - we were crazy. Fair enough. > > > I am totally happy with the identity I have forged > > after leaving TM. But I sure don't mind people reading > > what I wrote after I left the group. It shows how my > > perspective changed from being a believer in the same > > stuff you still believe in, to being an adult who > > doesn't believe in magic words. Can you say the same > > or are you still stuck in childish fantasies of super > > human powers Richard? > > > All your musical lyrics are probably filled with 'magic > words' - some you made up, some you copied, and some > that probably don't even make any sense - that's the > magic - it's not the words but how high you fly. You're > much to grounded, why not rise up a little more? Ramón Jiménez. "Raices y alas. Pero que las alas arraiguen y las raices vuelen." "Roots and Wings, So that the wings grow roots And the roots fly." >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
> > > But I'm not sure any of us want to be identified > > > for the rest of our lives by what we were up to > > > in our 20's right? > > > > > Too bad if you don't - you'll always be known as > > that 'crazy' guy that joined a religious cult and > > gave them over $5,000 to learn how to bun-hop. > > Curtis wrote: > I told you I paid $1,500 for my whole sidhis course > and you never answered my question about your course. > Never heard of anyone getting the TM-Sidhi course for only $1,500 - the Turq said he paid over $5,000 and Ruth paid $3,000. I got mine on a work-study program. > You paid $1000 for the flying block but much more > for you your other magic words. > No, I paid nothing for any of my advanced techniques, and none of them added any 'magic words' - you only get one single bija mantra in TM - all the rest are just phrases for fertilizer. > So your "crazy" guy accusation doesn't fly with me. > We were all in the same pot of believer soup if we > took the sidhis, and you paid a lot more for yours > than I did. > So, we are agreed - we were crazy. > I am totally happy with the identity I have forged > after leaving TM. But I sure don't mind people reading > what I wrote after I left the group. It shows how my > perspective changed from being a believer in the same > stuff you still believe in, to being an adult who > doesn't believe in magic words. Can you say the same > or are you still stuck in childish fantasies of super > human powers Richard? > All your musical lyrics are probably filled with 'magic words' - some you made up, some you copied, and some that probably don't even make any sense - that's the magic - it's not the words but how high you fly. You're much to grounded, why not rise up a little more?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Curtis wrote: > > But I'm not sure any of us want to be identified > > for the rest of our lives by what we were up to > > in our 20's right? > > > Too bad if you don't - you'll always be known as > that 'crazy' guy that joined a religious cult and > gave them over $5,000 to learn how to bun-hop. I told you I paid $1,500 for my whole sidhis course and you never answered my question about your course. You paid $1000 for the flying block but much more for you your other magic words. So your "crazy" guy accusation doesn't fly with me. We were all in the same pot of believer soup if we took the sidhis, and you paid a lot more for yours than I did. I am totally happy with the identity I have forged after leaving TM. But I sure don't mind people reading what I wrote after I left the group. It shows how my perspective changed from being a believer in the same stuff you still believe in, to being an adult who doesn't believe in magic words. Can you say the same or are you still stuck in childish fantasies of super human powers Richard?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
Curtis wrote: > But I'm not sure any of us want to be identified > for the rest of our lives by what we were up to > in our 20's right? > Too bad if you don't - you'll always be known as that 'crazy' guy that joined a religious cult and gave them over $5,000 to learn how to bun-hop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > Well people died, including his girl friend > > > > Curtis wrote: > > I'm not justifying it or anything but how many > > of us can't say that at one time or other we > > haven't blown up a girlfriend... > > > Well, no I've never 'blown up' a girlfriend. Thanks for taking that seriously, that was funnier than my joke. BTW your Inflate-A-Date under you bed DOES count as blowing up a girlfriend. And > I've never talked women into Whoa! Let me finish that for you: ANYTHING! They do what they want in my experience. making and planting > bombs while I sat at home and watched TV. This > doesn't even make any sense, Curtis. Bill Ayers > is obviously a coward. That may be the case, and since the election is over his usefulness as a lame attempt at guilt by association dirty politics is over. So I really couldn't care less about him. But I'm not sure any of us want to be identified for the rest of our lives by what we were up to in our 20's right? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
> > Well people died, including his girl friend > > Curtis wrote: > I'm not justifying it or anything but how many > of us can't say that at one time or other we > haven't blown up a girlfriend... > Well, no I've never 'blown up' a girlfriend. And I've never talked women into making and planting bombs while I sat at home and watched TV. This doesn't even make any sense, Curtis. Bill Ayers is obviously a coward.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
> > And I thought he came off looking > > like an ass with zero remorse. > > Lawson wrote: > For what, exactly? > For talking those women into making and planting bombs to kill people?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
Vaj wrote: > I still don't buy into the 'guilt by > association' fallacy which waay so > tentatively tried/tries to tie him to > Barack. > It just shows poor judgement - how many times can Barak say: 'That's not the so-and-so I knew'. Now he will be saying 'that's not the Governor of Illinois that I knew.' Wright, Phleger, Rezko, Ayers, Dorhn, and now Blogocivich, none of which Barak really 'knew'. Why didn't Barak 'really' know these guys? 'Big risks for Obama in Blago scandal' By Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin Politico, December 10, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5kgcpy
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
> Well people died, including his girl friend I know but in his defense she DID have a really annoying laugh (think hamster after inhaling some helium) and Bill totally didn't know how to tell he he wanted to break up with her...I'm not justifying it or anything but how many of us can't say that at one time or other we haven't blown up a girlfriend (OR boyfriend, ladies be honest) because we didn't want to face an hour of "it's not you it's ME, I just need some alone time to figure myself out." I'm just say'n... and another friend when > a bomb they were making blew up. Also, I believe the police officer > killed was guilty of just being in the wrong place and the wrong > time. But as Ayers said, you just need to "put these actons in the > context of the times". That, I gathered is his defense. "In the > context of the times, these things needed to be done", or can be > justified in this regard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > Having said that, even if Bill Ayers does end up being an > > > imbalanced > > > > adolescent jerk, I still don't buy into the 'guilt by > association' > > > > fallacy which waay so tentatively tried/tries to tie him to > Barack. > > > > > > I don't buy it either. I'm just commenting on the interview he > did in > > > conjuction with the re-release of his book. And I thought he > came off > > > looking like an ass with zero remorse. > > > > > > > > > For what, exactly? > > Well people died, including his girl friend and another friend when > a bomb they were making blew up. Also, I believe the police officer > killed was guilty of just being in the wrong place and the wrong > time. But as Ayers said, you just need to "put these actons in the > context of the times". That, I gathered is his defense. "In the > context of the times, these things needed to be done", or can be > justified in this regard. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > Having said that, even if Bill Ayers does end up being an > > imbalanced > > > adolescent jerk, I still don't buy into the 'guilt by association' > > > fallacy which waay so tentatively tried/tries to tie him to Barack. > > > > I don't buy it either. I'm just commenting on the interview he did in > > conjuction with the re-release of his book. And I thought he came off > > looking like an ass with zero remorse. > > > > > For what, exactly? Well people died, including his girl friend and another friend when a bomb they were making blew up. Also, I believe the police officer killed was guilty of just being in the wrong place and the wrong time. But as Ayers said, you just need to "put these actons in the context of the times". That, I gathered is his defense. "In the context of the times, these things needed to be done", or can be justified in this regard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > Having said that, even if Bill Ayers does end up being an > imbalanced > > adolescent jerk, I still don't buy into the 'guilt by association' > > fallacy which waay so tentatively tried/tries to tie him to Barack. > > I don't buy it either. I'm just commenting on the interview he did in > conjuction with the re-release of his book. And I thought he came off > looking like an ass with zero remorse. > For what, exactly? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Having said that, even if Bill Ayers does end up being an imbalanced > adolescent jerk, I still don't buy into the 'guilt by association' > fallacy which waay so tentatively tried/tries to tie him to Barack. I don't buy it either. I'm just commenting on the interview he did in conjuction with the re-release of his book. And I thought he came off looking like an ass with zero remorse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
I really have no "final" decision on "who is Bill Ayers", but it sure is interesting to hear different people reactions to this post. Thanks Raunch and Lurk. :-) Having said that, even if Bill Ayers does end up being an imbalanced adolescent jerk, I still don't buy into the 'guilt by association' fallacy which waay so tentatively tried/tries to tie him to Barack. On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:42 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > I listened to his interview with Terry Gross, or at least part of it. > A real weasel IMO. Really put the spin on his past exploits. > Wouldn't, couldn't make many direct answers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
no wonder jiveradhatu108 likes him- lol... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > I listened to his interview with Terry Gross, or at least part of it. > A real weasel IMO. Really put the spin on his past exploits. > Wouldn't, couldn't make many direct answers. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/opinion/06ayers.html?_r=1 > > > > > Bill Ayers is pimping his book, rehabilitating his image, re- writing > > history and lying through his teeth. He should be in jail and not > > invited to spit in our faces while he hopes for the destruction of > > America. Fucking terrorist. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
I listened to his interview with Terry Gross, or at least part of it. A real weasel IMO. Really put the spin on his past exploits. Wouldn't, couldn't make many direct answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/opinion/06ayers.html?_r=1 > > > Bill Ayers is pimping his book, rehabilitating his image, re-writing > history and lying through his teeth. He should be in jail and not > invited to spit in our faces while he hopes for the destruction of > America. Fucking terrorist. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/opinion/06ayers.html?_r=1 > Bill Ayers is pimping his book, rehabilitating his image, re-writing history and lying through his teeth. He should be in jail and not invited to spit in our faces while he hopes for the destruction of America. Fucking terrorist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Bill Ayers by William Ayers
Vaj posted: > The Real Bill Ayers > Larry Grathwohl: The instructions I received from Billy Ayers was that the bombs to be used in Detroit must have shrapnel (fence staples, specifically) and fire potential (propane bottles). The intention was to kill police officers. Read more: 'Eyewitness to the Ayers Revolution' Posted by Bob Owens Pajamas Media, October 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5uyued
