[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pope Ratfinger the First is a creation of one of the most horribly stressed massmurdering civilizations ever created on earth: he was a HitlerJugend (whether against his will or not is not relevant to his being part of a monster culture which warped his personality), and it's not surprising that he is unable to enjoy life, an anhedonistic spirit that displays itself in condemnations of music, and, of course, opposition to TM. He's a short-lived John Paul 2.1 security update. The next pope will be a major upgrade, Pope 3.0.' The late Pope had a point of evolution of 2.0, so your observation is interesting. The question however is if there will be another Pope as we know them after this one. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org under file Pope John Paul II To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 5:14:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recalling the millennium peace summit of 2000 in New York where 1100 representatives from different faiths signed a document that there should be no bloodshed in the name of religions as they were different routes to one God, he said, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Pope Benedict XVI, held a press conference shortly thereafter at the Vatican and released a 36 page doctrine 'Dominus Jesus'. The doctrine objected to anyone trying to bring their religion at par with the Roman Catholic Church and described it as crossing limits of tolerance. It said non-Christians cannot get salvation as they don't consider Jesus Christ as the son of God and even non- Catholics would find it difficult to get salvation as they don't consider the Pope as their head, So what's new here? Hasn't the Christian religion whether Catholic or Protestant always said that Christianity is the only way to gain salvation? No man shall come to the Father except through the Son. You either believe it or you don't. If you look at just about all religions you'll find they have their exclusionary clauses as well. *** Nonsense. The Vedic tradition does not insist that anybody belong to any particular sect, but emphasizes that it is gaining unlimited awareness, which is the self of all, that is important, and that unboundedness has nothing to do with sectarian identification. Regarding what Jesus said, you have not understood this. The whole thing he said was I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. (John 14:6-7). Jesus is establishing His identity with God, but not saying that others could not have that status -- the disciples walked on the water along with Jesus, they healed the sick and raised the dead, too, so Jesus was saying that everybody could enjoy their Divine birthright, everybody was a much a son of God as He was: say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will be moved; and nothing will be impossible for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip they don't consider Jesus Christ as the son of God and even non- Catholics would find it difficult to get salvation as they don't consider the Pope as their head, So what's new here? Hasn't the Christian religion whether Catholic or Protestant always said that Christianity is the only way to gain salvation? No man shall come to the Father except through the Son. on subtler level it means no one can get to the head chakra without first going thru the heart chakra or as in kabbalah no one can get to keter (top sphira) without going thru the lowers ones. You either believe it or you don't. another option is to use selective discrimination. If you look at just about all religions you'll find they have their exclusionary clauses as well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
In a message dated 4/21/05 7:13:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "No man shall come to the Father except through the Son". on subtler level it means no one can get to the head chakra without first going thru the heart chakra or as in kabbalah no one can get to keter (top sphira) without going thru the lowers ones. You either believe it or you don't. another option is to use selective discrimination.If you look at just about all religions you'll find they have their exclusionary clauses as well. we can have all kinds of options to consider. But I thought we were talking about Christianity, The Religion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 7:13:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No man shall come to the Father except through the Son. on subtler level it means no one can get to the head chakra without first going thru the heart chakra or as in kabbalah no one can get to keter (top sphira) without going thru the lowers ones. You either believe it or you don't. another option is to use selective discrimination. If you look at just about all religions you'll find they have their exclusionary clauses as well. we can have all kinds of options to consider. But I thought we were talking about Christianity, The Religion. yes we are, you don't think that Christianity have subtler levels or that it can be open to interpretations? TMO is not a religion. do you see them open minded? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 6:05:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nonsense. The Vedic tradition does not insist that anybody belong to any particular sect, but emphasizes that it is gaining unlimited awareness, which is the self of all, that is important, and that unboundedness has nothing to do with sectarian identification. Regarding what Jesus said, you have not understood this. The whole thing he said was I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. (John 14:6-7). Jesus is establishing His identity with God, but not saying that others could not have that status -- the disciples walked on the water along with Jesus, they healed the sick and raised the dead, too, so Jesus was saying that everybody could enjoy their Divine birthright, everybody was a much a son of God as He was: Bob I'll have to take exception with you on the vedic tradition point. Yes, they say all is evolving, but ultimately, your going to need a guru yada yada yada to realize Brahman. Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness, and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru. And for the point about Christ, yes I have understood exactly what you pointed out , but THAT understanding is not what the religion is based on. People who have transcended have their perspective and the masses have their own. What the Pope said, is just traditional Christian theology. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing new. Traditional ignorance that has nothing to do with understanding what Jesus said, which is why the church is a mess with, among other problems, a billion-dollar backlog of lawsuits because of kiddy- diddling priests, who Ratfinger was determined to protect: From ABC News: [Father Marcial Macie] pushed my hand onto his penis. And I didn't know anything about masturbation, Juan Vaca, who was first abused when he was 11 years old, told ABCNEWS. And he says, 'You don't know how to do it. Let me show you.' And he gets my penis himself and starts to masturbate me. I was in shock. Now read the rest of the story: Then, four years ago, some of the men tried a last ditch effort, taking the unusual step of filing a lawsuit in the Vatican's secretive court, seeking Macial's excommunication. Once again they laid out their evidence, but it was another futile effort an effort the men say was blocked by one of the most powerful cardinals in the Vatican. The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church [the Inquisition], quietly made the lawsuit go away and shelved it. There was no investigation and the accusers weren't asked a single question or asked for a statement. He was appointed by the pope to investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in the church in recent days. But when approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with questions of allegations against Maciel, Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually slapped this reporter's hand. Come to me when the moment is given, Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, not yet. Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering Maciel, protecting him, said Berry, who expressed concerns that no response was being given to the allegations against the man charged with sex abuse. These men knelt and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger when they filed the case in Rome. And a year-and-a-half later, he takes those accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them. The cardinals knew all of this, yet they still chose Ratzinger. They had a choice. They chose evil. Unfortunately, this is what the leadership of the Catholic Church has come to, and become. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
In a message dated 4/21/05 8:36:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yes we are, you don't think that Christianity have subtler levelsor that it can be open to interpretations? I think you should perhaps look at my original post concerning the topic and read it carefully and what it was in response to. You and Bob are preaching to the chior. Christianity as it is practiced among Catholics and Protestants will never accept the concept of higher states of consciousness, yoga, subtle levels, etc. My original post as I recall had to do with the current Pope saying in so many words that Christianity was the only way to God. Christianity as THEY practice it.My comment was "So what's knew"? This is and has always been the official doctrine of the Church. There is nothing new here. It's not as if the Pope is nowleading his flock off in some other direction than what it has been heading for the past 1,950 years. The average meditator who has clearly transcended has an opportunity to see the teachings of Christ in a different light, but these different perceptions are rarely if at all accepted by the Church, too weird and freaky for them. Why? Because there is no experience way too abstract for them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
In a message dated 4/21/05 8:57:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness, and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru. You missed that one did you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 11:01:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/21/05 8:57:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness, and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru. You missed that one did you? Bob Maharishi said on one course I attended that one can gain CC and even GC without a guru but not UC or BC. I don't recall if it was my teacher training course Oct 71 through June 72 or my six month age of enlightenment course. I also attended another TTC in Oct 72 through Dec 72 which he may have said that then. I'm more inclined to think it was Majorca 71. I also attended a TTC, Humboldt 1970, and it is my recollection that MMY said that one without respect for his guru could not gain GC or BC. But merely practicing TM does mean that one has a guru, so respect for anybody would not be a factor that would inhibit gaining of higher states after CC. There are many stories in the Vedic literature of people going off into the woods and gaining BC, entirely without a contact with a guru (or anybody else). There are no barriers for an enlightened person to gaining GC and BC, a process which is aided by the production of soma in the enlightened man's nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pope Ratfinger the First is a creation of one of the most horribly stressed massmurdering civilizations ever created on earth: he was a HitlerJugend (whether against his will or not is not relevant to his being part of a monster culture which warped his personality), and it's not surprising that he is unable to enjoy life, an anhedonistic spirit that displays itself in condemnations of music, and, of course, opposition to TM. He's a short-lived John Paul 2.1 security update. The next pope will be a major upgrade, Pope 3.0. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
