[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Turguoise B writes: I am saying, Yes, that the *need* for psychological defense mechanisms seems to be different from country to country. One only resorts to attacks when one's personal beliefs are challenged if one is so attached to those beliefs that one cannot distinguish them from oneself. This is a characteristic I find *far* more prevalent in the black-and-white thinking, ignorant- and-proud-of-it US than I have found in other countries. Tom T: Black and white thinking is the sure sign of addictive thinking. Why not, we have a country that is totally addicted to consuming huge quantities of oil and is very into the power addiction trip. Just look at our leader the unreformed and unchanged addict George W. He, an avowed addict, has swapped his substance use from booze and recreational drugs for religion and power. Oh, the day he has to give up the power trip he may find sobriety yet. For further edification on this matter read When Society becomes an addict by Ann Wilson Schief. You might understand yourself and the society you live in better. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Rick, with all due respect, if you really believe this, you've either been in Fairfield too long or in America too long. Are you saying that psychological defense mechanisms are different in different countries? That's alot of scientific kudos and awards waiting for you if you can prove it. I am saying, Yes, that the *need* for psychological defense mechanisms seems to be different from country to country. One only resorts to attacks when one's personal beliefs are challenged if one is so attached to those beliefs that one cannot distinguish them from oneself. This is a characteristic I find *far* more prevalent in the black-and-white thinking, ignorant- and-proud-of-it US than I have found in other countries. As for proof, you're the science geek, so you do the experiments. I'll just enjoy meeting people who don't respond to new or different ideas by feeling threatened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. And by whom do you suspect they have been enlisted, Paul? I missed that. Is he trying to say that anyone who disagrees with him is doing so in a coordinated way? It would appear so, coordinated and directed by some external agent. Could it possibly be...Satan? :-) More seriously, could it possibly be...thirty years of training in how one should deal with critics of Maharishi and the TMO, learned by watching how the TBs you've met do it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! For once, Willytex is right on. I encounter the same thing with my book. Some people go into it looking for something to dislike, something that verifies their existing assumptions, and stop reading the moment they find it. I'll believe Judy's rants against Paul the day she actually announces she finished reading her book. Until then, she falls into the category above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Rick, with all due respect, if you really believe this, you've either been in Fairfield too long or in America too long. Are you saying that psychological defense mechanisms are different in different countries? That's alot of scientific kudos and awards waiting for you if you can prove it. I am saying, Yes, that the *need* for psychological defense mechanisms seems to be different from country to country. One only resorts to attacks when one's personal beliefs are challenged if one is so attached to those beliefs that one cannot distinguish them from oneself. This is a characteristic I find *far* more prevalent in the black-and-white thinking, ignorant- and-proud-of-it US than I have found in other countries. As for proof, you're the science geek, so you do the experiments. I'll just enjoy meeting people who don't respond to new or different ideas by feeling threatened. And where is this, again? And remember, its not just an arbitrary different idea that triggers a defense mechanism, but one that challenges an important assumption. Different people and different cultures have different important assumptions. You cuss someone you just met in the US and they might be terribly offended. You call someone you in Japan unless you're their lover or addressing a large group of people simultaneously and you may get the same reaction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. And by whom do you suspect they have been enlisted, Paul? I missed that. Is he trying to say that anyone who disagrees with him is doing so in a coordinated way? It would appear so, coordinated and directed by some external agent. Could it possibly be...Satan? :-) More seriously, could it possibly be...thirty years of training in how one should deal with critics of Maharishi and the TMO, learned by watching how the TBs you've met do it? Actually, you probably *can* fool Paul. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! For once, Willytex is right on. I encounter the same thing with my book. Some people go into it looking for something to dislike, something that verifies their existing assumptions, and stop reading the moment they find it. I'll believe Judy's rants against Paul the day she actually announces she finished reading her book. Actually, if *I* had written a book, I probably would have long since finished reading it. (You can always tell when Barry's rattled; his lies become more and more extreme and he begins to get incoherent.) Until then, she falls into the category above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! For once, Willytex is right on. I encounter the same thing with my book. Some people go into it looking for something to dislike, something that verifies their existing assumptions, and stop reading the moment they find it. I'll believe Judy's rants against Paul the day she actually announces she finished reading her book. Actually, if *I* had written a book, I probably would have long since finished reading it. (You can always tell when Barry's rattled; his lies become more and more extreme and he begins to get incoherent.) And you can always tell when Judy is trying to divert attention from the fact that she refuses to answer Shemp's easy question because she seizes on any and all nitpicks possible to do so. Not to mention diverting attention away from the fact that she's ragging on the author of a book about his hypocrisy when she hasn't ever bothered to read his book, as Willytex pointed out. As for lying, I did say 'her' rather than 'his' when referring to the book in question. Mea culpa. But I suspect that most people would consider that a grammatical error caused by having to rush off to work rather than a lie, but hey!, Judy's the expert here...if she says you a liar, then you are one. :-) You can see why I backslide from time to time and interact with her...she's just so amusing sometimes. But I admit it...I bad...back to trying to ignore her silliness... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! For once, Willytex is right on. I encounter the same thing with my book. Some people go into it looking for something to dislike, something that verifies their existing assumptions, and stop reading the moment they find it. I'll believe Judy's rants against Paul the day she actually announces she finished reading her book. Actually, if *I* had written a book, I probably would have long since finished reading it. (You can always tell when Barry's rattled; his lies become more and more extreme and he begins to get incoherent.) And you can always tell when Judy is trying to divert attention from the fact that she refuses to answer Shemp's easy question because she seizes on any and all nitpicks possible to do so. Well, there's one lie. I haven't refused to answer Shemp's question, as I've already noted. Plus the REALLY STUPID lie that Barry in this post was trying to call attention to my response to Shemp's question, when it was actually about Paul. See what I mean about rattled? Not to mention diverting attention away from the fact that she's ragging on the author of a book about his hypocrisy when she hasn't ever bothered to read his book, as Willytex pointed out. And there's another, double-barrelled. First, finding snarky bits, even on a quick skim, in a book whose author claims to be objective is indeed grounds for a hypocrisy charge. But second, I've repeatedly made it clear that *most* of my hypocrisy charge against Paul is based on his posts to this and several other forums, not on his book. Barry's well aware of this. As for lying, I did say 'her' rather than 'his' when referring to the book in question. Mea culpa. But I suspect that most people would consider that a grammatical error caused by having to rush off to work rather than a lie, but hey!, Judy's the expert here...if she says you a liar, then you are one. :-) And another lie. I wasn't referring to Barry's error as a lie, but rather to his claim that my rants against Paul had to do with his book rather than with his posts, as noted above. Again, Barry knows this. He just hopes he can fool readers who haven't been paying close attention. You can see why I backslide from time to time and interact with her...she's just so amusing sometimes. But I admit it...I bad...back to trying to ignore her silliness... This is all so absolutely typical of Barry's behavior on alt.m.t. He's been trying to create a different image of himself on FFL, but when the chips are down, he reverts to type, exposing himself for the thoroughly dishonest phony he is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
TurquoiseB wrote: Not to mention diverting attention away from the fact that she's ragging on the author of a book about his hypocrisy when she hasn't ever bothered to read his book, as Willytex pointed out. My name isn't Willytex, Barry, but in fact, neither of you have read Paul's book. In fact, you two hypocrites have failed to read a single book I've discussed on Usenet in the past five years, not the least the only published biography of the Maharishi. Maybe it's time for you two to get some smarts - some of us TMers are getting sick and tired of you guys taking over newsgroups and posting political rants - when you haven't even read the TMers basic library. However, you have apparently read, at least once, Surfing the Himalayas by Freddy Lenz. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Yes, just like a.m.t. The attempt to portray a criticism of *some* TMers as a smear against *all* TMers. Old tactic. And tired. jstein wrote: Barry...quit before you get any further behind. Maybe it's time for both of you to quit - you already trashed Usenet with your foul political propaganda. Maybe it's time for you guys to take a sabbatical from posting, then, in a year or two, return here when you can dialog and debate like scholars, if not adepts. At present you are neither. From Judy's smear campaign on Usenet: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5 Sep 2005 22:05:09 -0700 Local: Tues, Sep 6 2005 12:05 am Subject: a.m.t. TMer Group Guidelines 1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. 2) While friendly exchange between friends is natural, try to pass on personal messages via personal e-mail, refraining where possible from sending personal messages to the whole list. 3) Discussions of politics that affect personal growth and world consciousness are allowed. However, be kind and respectful of others' viewpoints. 4) Please be highly selective in quoting a message to which you are responding, deleting all but the most relevant portions of the prior posts. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5 Sep 2005 22:54:34 -0700 Local: Tues, Sep 6 2005 12:54 am Subject: Re: a.m.t. TMer Group Guidelines There are no guidelines for alt.meditation.transcendental. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6 Sep 2005 06:20:36 -0700 Local: Tues, Sep 6 2005 8:20 am Subject: Re: a.m.t. TMer Group Guidelines There are now - I got them from the guidelines at Yahoo! FairfieldLife Group. However, it's obvious that you follow no guidelines or rules, except your own. You need to get some smarts - you're not supposed to be abusing TMers and turning their newsgroups into your own political propaganda platform. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) But, if so, please spare us from your accounts with your sparing partner. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) But, if so, please spare us from your accounts with your sparing partner. Simply sublime :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! For once, Willytex is right on. I encounter the same thing with my book. Some people go into it looking for something to dislike, something that verifies their existing assumptions, and stop reading the moment they find it. I'll believe Judy's rants against Paul the day she actually announces she finished reading her book. Actually, if *I* had written a book, I probably would have long since finished reading it. (You can always tell when Barry's rattled; his lies become more and more extreme and he begins to get incoherent.) Heh. There's an Arther C. Clarke novel where a sci-fi writer gets to go into space and while he's sitting at the NASA waiting room he picks up an old sci-fi magazine and starts browsing. He's more than halfway through a short story before he realizes that HE wrote the story decades ago and hadn't noticed the byline. Until then, she falls into the category above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... You're right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) It just goes to show the penis is mightier than the sword can be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? One might ask, Why does what Paul believes about MMY affect you in any way? Why do YOU care? Seems to me that you're interested in finding a way to demonize as biased someone who simply believes differently than you do about Maharishi. Why? What do you gain from this? Does it help to make your beliefs stronger? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. So far you haven't attempted to dispute any of my assertions on their own ground, instead you resort to weak attempts to sidetrack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
on 9/5/05 8:27 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. So far you haven't attempted to dispute any of my assertions on their own ground, instead you resort to weak attempts to sidetrack. My sentiments too. Calling a spade a spade doesn't indicate bias. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. I find it interesting how we eventually separate the two; that by tailoring away the untidy we can somehow create an understanding more suitable to the present. As a reluctant member of that sub-group bereft of deep, self-evident experience, the personal has often times been the marker of a path well chosen. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
But meditation is about letting go. Perhaps for some TMers the obstacle to transcending is no more than realising that that is what TM is supposed to enable. Maybe the idea that one has a 'guru' can make one tardy in the focus of one's practice. In reality, if one has a guru he kicks butt and gets results. Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand Saraswati (Guru Dev's successor) noted that the last thing a renunciate lets go of, is the idea of renunciation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. I find it interesting how we eventually separate the two; that by tailoring away the untidy we can somehow create an understanding more suitable to the present. As a reluctant member of that sub-group bereft of deep, self-evident experience, the personal has often times been the marker of a path well chosen. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. I'm not sure what Did he heck? means, but in examining the above, I see some facts, and I also see some distinctly subjective impressions, such as whined and let pride stand in the way. Both of these are interpretations, not the facts of the matter. I wonder as well about the phrase grass hut. Is this a factual description, or language that's been loaded to be demeaning? The rhetorical nature of the questions posed is another indication of subjectivity rather than the facts of the matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. I'm not sure what Did he heck? means, but in examining the above, I see some facts, and I also see some distinctly subjective impressions, such as whined and let pride stand in the way. Both of these are interpretations, not the facts of the matter. I wonder as well about the phrase grass hut. Is this a factual description, or language that's been loaded to be demeaning? The rhetorical nature of the questions posed is another indication of subjectivity rather than the facts of the matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand Saraswati (Guru Dev's successor) noted that the last thing a renunciate lets go of, is the idea of renunciation. Delightful, and to the point. Seems difficult to avoid infinite regress. How do I know the value of renunciation? - Because my guru told me so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. Mr. Paul; let's call a spade a spade here. From the obvious in your history, one sees two clear agendas. 1) Make as much money as you can in slandering one of the finest Masters who have graced this country with His presence. 2) Try to become famous yourself and puffing up your Ego. I think you are into a seriously dead-end-road leading nowhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. I'm not sure what Did he heck? means, but in examining the above, I see some facts, and I also see some distinctly subjective impressions, such as whined and let pride stand in the way. Both of these are interpretations, not the facts of the matter. I wonder as well about the phrase grass hut. Is this a factual description, or language that's been loaded to be demeaning? The rhetorical nature of the questions posed is another indication of subjectivity rather than the facts of the matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
But if one does the renunciation in the meditation, the situation is simplied. Letting go of the idea of guru and the idea of renunciation and the idea of meditating and then the idea of a focus of meditation. that's what one is supposed to be plunged into, during every period of 'meditation'. By the way, I am translating Guru Dev's teachings and two things he has said surface on this subject. If one is finding time for the Paramatma (Being) and happiness does not result then the answer can be that the method is incorrect or that perhaps it's time to look about for another teacher. These and other quotes can be found in a very state at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand Saraswati (Guru Dev's successor) noted that the last thing a renunciate lets go of, is the idea of renunciation. Delightful, and to the point. Seems difficult to avoid infinite regress. How do I know the value of renunciation? - Because my guru told me so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. I don't usually bother to answer crap like this but today I thought I'd make an exception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. Mr. Paul; let's call a spade a spade here. From the obvious in your history, one sees two clear agendas. 1) Make as much money as you can in slandering one of the finest Masters who have graced this country with His presence. 2) Try to become famous yourself and puffing up your Ego. I think you are into a seriously dead-end-road leading nowhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
on 9/5/05 12:37 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? No. He had a nice house. Photo here: http://tinyurl.com/7llkl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. There you have Paul Mason in a nutshell; gossipp, gossipp, gossipp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Beatles, the four most famous pop musicians endorsed TM and in early 1968 were spending time in India with the Maharishi to get longer practice and deeper understanding of meditation. The course was drawing to an end and The Beatles were planning a concert in Delhi, alongside the Beachboys and others. Apple, their production company were planning to make a movie about TM, profiling the Maharishi and his guru. All of which would have received global attention. But attention shifted as some at the ashram entertained doubts about the Maharishi himself. Rumour had it that he had shown sexual interest in one or more of the course participants (doesn't really matter who). John, George and their entourage made a hasty exit, and ditched the plans for the concert and the film. What did the Maharishi do? As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride This is a personal attack based on speculation. There is even speculation about mental states ie. Pride in the case of Maharishi. So it is making negative assumptions in an editorial way rather than sticking to facts. You haven't added any clarity to this old story and I question the salubrity of your motivation in bothering to bring it up now. stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. We all know his name by now, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. I don't usually bother to answer crap like this but today I thought I'd make an exception. Resort to personal attacks? It's their first reaction. Mr. Creme-filled-donut-head doesn't actually *have* a mind, as far as I can tell. He just repeats what he's been told by the guy who is famous for telling people anything that fuels their elitism. So anything he says you can just write off. What is sadder is when the first reaction of people who obviously *do* have brains is to attempt to demonize those whose *opinions* differ from theirs. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. What is downright laughable is when one of those people posts an article critical of Karl Rove, completely unaware that the two of them could hardly be more alike in their tactics and in their sensibilities if they had graduated in the same class from Nasty Piece Of Work University. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Rick, with all due respect, if you really believe this, you've either been in Fairfield too long or in America too long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
I hear what your saying - more info on the hut - leave out the stuff about The Beatles feeling let down and that they had been led to believe there was more to him than there was - S ..the story goes that he wasn't taken with the 'bungalow' that had been built for him in his absence, so he insisted on going to his hut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. I agree, but can't even think of half a dozen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear what your saying - more info on the hut - leave out the stuff about The Beatles feeling let down and that they had been led to believe there was more to him than there was - S... the story goes that he wasn't taken with the 'bungalow' that had been built for him in his absence, so he insisted on going to his hut. Aha! The true origin of his Oh my hut! story. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
I goofed, I meant combined on the TM newsgroups altogether. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. I agree, but can't even think of half a dozen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. The issue, which you are studiously trying to avoid, is that the Beatles blew him off as a charlatan and a Bad Bet because of his own actions and his reaction to it was to avoid learning any- thing from the experience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I goofed, I meant combined on the TM newsgroups altogether. Ok, between a.m.t. and FFL I can think of six. But only six. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. I agree, but can't even think of half a dozen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. According to Cynthia Lennon, Maharishi sat outside the hut. Just another small detail of very many history-bendings we will hear from Paul Mason in the years to come in his quest for money and (poor) reputation Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
But I was including TMnews, I had a couple of out-to-lunchers lunge into me. But in essence we appear to agree. Actually, it gets very obvious when I am saying something that threatens someone's belief system, other times when it's just about quotations from Guru Dev people tend to be very well behaved, even the half dozen cracked eggs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I goofed, I meant combined on the TM newsgroups altogether. Ok, between a.m.t. and FFL I can think of six. But only six. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. I agree, but can't even think of half a dozen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Mia Farrow's own take on HER incident with MMY (from her book What falls away, p. 128): Now we will meditate in my 'cave', said Maharishi, and I followed him down steep wooden steps into a dark, humid little cellar room that smelled of sandalwood. It was my first time in his cave: there was a small shrine with flowers and a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's dead teacher, and a carpet on which we settled ourselves in the lotus position to meditate. After twenty or so minutes we were getting to our feet, still facing each other, but as I'm usually a little disoriented after meditation, I was blinking at his beard when suddenly I became aware of two surprisingly male, hairy arms going around me. I panicked, and shot up the stairs, apologizing all the way. I flew out into the open air, and ran as fast as I could to Prudy's room, where she was meditating of course. I blurted out something about Maharishi's cave, and arms, and beard, and she said, It's an honor to be touched by a holy man after meditation, a tradition. Furthermore, at my level of consciousness,if Jesus Christ Himself had embraced me, I would have misinterpreted it. Read it yourself at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385471874/ref=sib_rdr_next3_ex118/10 4-5775123-9995922?% 5Fencoding=UTF8keywords=mahariship=S04Dtwc=8checkSum=wkyJwG%2BC% 2BAeC5VZj943ejTcDNabF4F0Zx0L1aZoErz4%3D#reader-page --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Beatles, the four most famous pop musicians endorsed TM and in early 1968 were spending time in India with the Maharishi to get longer practice and deeper understanding of meditation. The course was drawing to an end and The Beatles were planning a concert in Delhi, alongside the Beachboys and others. Apple, their production company were planning to make a movie about TM, profiling the Maharishi and his guru. All of which would have received global attention. But attention shifted as some at the ashram entertained doubts about the Maharishi himself. Rumour had it that he had shown sexual interest in one or more of the course participants (doesn't really matter who). John, George and their entourage made a hasty exit, and ditched the plans for the concert and the film. What did the Maharishi do? As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. We all know his name by now, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Paul Mason, qualified to translate Guru Dev's teaching ? What a joke, he has not even understood the fundamentals of Maharishis teachings. By the way, I am translating Guru Dev's teachings and two things he has said surface on this subject. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. What fun Paul ? Watching you digging your grave into obious stupidity by slander and gossip is tragic, not funny. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? One might ask, Why does what Paul believes about MMY affect you in any way? Why do YOU care? Seems to me that you're interested in finding a way to demonize as biased someone who simply believes differently than you do about Maharishi. Why? What do you gain from this? Does it help to make your beliefs stronger? Paul Mason on one side of the spectrum on the question at hand, Spare Egg on the Other. And every point in between. Doesn't matter where you are on the above described spectrum, TM will work for you regardless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
It is good to read this account of Mia Farrow. I was initiated in this 'cave', the basement of the 'bungalow'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia Farrow's own take on HER incident with MMY (from her book What falls away, p. 128): Now we will meditate in my 'cave', said Maharishi, and I followed him down steep wooden steps into a dark, humid little cellar room that smelled of sandalwood. It was my first time in his cave: there was a small shrine with flowers and a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's dead teacher, and a carpet on which we settled ourselves in the lotus position to meditate. After twenty or so minutes we were getting to our feet, still facing each other, but as I'm usually a little disoriented after meditation, I was blinking at his beard when suddenly I became aware of two surprisingly male, hairy arms going around me. I panicked, and shot up the stairs, apologizing all the way. I flew out into the open air, and ran as fast as I could to Prudy's room, where she was meditating of course. I blurted out something about Maharishi's cave, and arms, and beard, and she said, It's an honor to be touched by a holy man after meditation, a tradition. Furthermore, at my level of consciousness,if Jesus Christ Himself had embraced me, I would have misinterpreted it. Read it yourself at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385471874/ref=sib_rdr_next3_ex118/10 4-5775123-9995922?% 5Fencoding=UTF8keywords=mahariship=S04Dtwc=8checkSum=wkyJwG%2BC% 2BAeC5VZj943ejTcDNabF4F0Zx0L1aZoErz4%3D#reader-page --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Beatles, the four most famous pop musicians endorsed TM and in early 1968 were spending time in India with the Maharishi to get longer practice and deeper understanding of meditation. The course was drawing to an end and The Beatles were planning a concert in Delhi, alongside the Beachboys and others. Apple, their production company were planning to make a movie about TM, profiling the Maharishi and his guru. All of which would have received global attention. But attention shifted as some at the ashram entertained doubts about the Maharishi himself. Rumour had it that he had shown sexual interest in one or more of the course participants (doesn't really matter who). John, George and their entourage made a hasty exit, and ditched the plans for the concert and the film. What did the Maharishi do? As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. We all know his name by now, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? I think it stems from the time he finally stopped beating his wife. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Rick, with all due respect, if you really believe this, you've either been in Fairfield too long or in America too long. guffaw Says Barry, behaving *precisely* as Paul had just described and neatly proving Rick's point for him. Master of Unintended Irony, that's Barry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. I agree, but can't even think of half a dozen. Well, for sure, there is ONE you can think of, Tantra... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
If you were unbiased, why would you care? One might ask, Why does what Paul believes about MMY affect you in any way? Why do YOU care? Seems to me that you're interested in finding a way to demonize as biased someone who simply believes differently than you do about Maharishi. Why? What do you gain from this? Does it help to make your beliefs stronger? Paul Mason on one side of the spectrum on the question at hand, Spare Egg on the Other. And every point in between. Doesn't matter where you are on the above described spectrum, TM will work for you regardless. Exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? I think it stems from the time he finally stopped beating his wife. It's called sublimation, Doc, isn't it ? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Beatles, the four most famous pop musicians endorsed TM and in early 1968 were spending time in India with the Maharishi to get longer practice and deeper understanding of meditation. The course was drawing to an end and The Beatles were planning a concert in Delhi, alongside the Beachboys and others. Apple, their production company were planning to make a movie about TM, profiling the Maharishi and his guru. All of which would have received global attention. But attention shifted as some at the ashram entertained doubts about the Maharishi himself. Rumour had it that he had shown sexual interest in one or more of the course participants (doesn't really matter who). John, George and their entourage made a hasty exit, and ditched the plans for the concert and the film. What did the Maharishi do? As they trailed out of the ashram he sat in his grass hut and whined! Did he call later and try and sort things out with his 'disciples'? Did he heck? So let's not blame John Lennon, Mia Farrow or anyone else but the man who let pride This is a personal attack based on speculation. There is even speculation about mental states ie. Pride in the case of Maharishi. So it is making negative assumptions in an editorial way rather than sticking to facts. You haven't added any clarity to this old story and I question the salubrity of your motivation in bothering to bring it up now. No author, no matter how objective he claims to be (and Paul isn't even claiming to be objective), speculates about things such as mental states. Some historians -- such as Woodward and Bernstein and that English guy who was the official biographer of Ronald Reagan -- not only surmise in their works what their subjects were thinking but actually put down words that they thought they said. stand in the way of the greatest publicity the Spiritual Regeneration Movement could ever have had. We all know his name by now, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Then as now the topic was the Maharishi and not the meditation. Perhaps one day people will be able to separate the two and realise that whilst the meditation technique works, the reputation of the Maharishi will probably always be in question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. The issue, which you are studiously trying to avoid, is that the Beatles blew him off as a charlatan and a Bad Bet because of his own actions and his reaction to it was to avoid learning any- thing from the experience. We've known about the Beatles having blown him off as a charlatan for many years; it's not in dispute. Whether it was because of his own actions remains murky, as does the question of whether he learned anything, and if so what it was. Paul is certainly welcome to express his opinion on the murky points, as are you; I don't happen to find those points as overwhelmingly significant as the two of you seem to. They don't matter to me a whole lot either way. As I said, the issue that prompted my remarks to Paul is that of Paul's hypocrisy. If he'd just 'fess up to his anti-MMY bias and be straightforwardly critical like most of the rest of the folks here, I wouldn't have spoken up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. :-) ...and was he facing in the auspicious easterly direction or the inauspicious southerly direction? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think it stems from the time he finally stopped
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It's called sublimation, Doc, isn't it ? :-)
No, actually displacement ;-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Only a fanatic would describe an individual who demonstrates anything less than unconditional, unthinking obeisance to a teacher as hate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. I don't usually bother to answer crap like this but today I thought I'd make an exception. Resort to personal attacks? It's their first reaction. Mr. Creme-filled-donut-head doesn't actually *have* a mind, as far as I can tell. He just repeats what he's been told by the guy who is famous for telling people anything that fuels their elitism. So anything he says you can just write off. What is sadder is when the first reaction of people who obviously *do* have brains is to attempt to demonize those whose *opinions* differ from theirs. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. What is downright laughable is when one of those people posts an article critical of Karl Rove, completely unaware that the two of them could hardly be more alike in their tactics and in their sensibilities if they had graduated in the same class from Nasty Piece Of Work University. Of course, *Barry* never attempts to demonize those who have opinions different from his... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. I don't usually bother to answer crap like this but today I thought I'd make an exception. Resort to personal attacks? It's their first reaction. Mr. Creme-filled-donut-head doesn't actually *have* a mind, as far as I can tell. He just repeats what he's been told by the guy who is famous for telling people anything that fuels their elitism. So anything he says you can just write off. What is sadder is when the first reaction of people who obviously *do* have brains is to attempt to demonize those whose *opinions* differ from theirs. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. What is downright laughable is when one of those people posts an article critical of Karl Rove, completely unaware that the two of them could hardly be more alike in their tactics and in their sensibilities if they had graduated in the same class from Nasty Piece Of Work University. Of course, *Barry* never attempts to demonize those who have opinions different from his... The thing you don't understand, Judy, is the same thing that Maharishi didn't understand in Rishikesh w.r.t. the Beatles. I don't not respect you because of your opinions. Many people here genuinely feel as strongly positive about Maharishi as you do, and I've never given them any shit about it. I don't respect you because of your *actions*. You are a nasty piece of work. If you agreed with every one of my opinions and still acted towards others the way you do, I'd *still* think you were a nasty piece of work, and say so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Pay attention, Shemp. Hate was not a word I used. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip What is downright laughable is when one of those people posts an article critical of Karl Rove, completely unaware that the two of them could hardly be more alike in their tactics and in their sensibilities if they had graduated in the same class from Nasty Piece Of Work University. Of course, *Barry* never attempts to demonize those who have opinions different from his... The thing you don't understand, Judy, is the same thing that Maharishi didn't understand in Rishikesh w.r.t. the Beatles. I don't not respect you because of your opinions. Many people here genuinely feel as strongly positive about Maharishi as you do, and I've never given them any shit about it. I don't respect you because of your *actions*. You are a nasty piece of work. If you agreed with every one of my opinions and still acted towards others the way you do, I'd *still* think you were a nasty piece of work, and say so. Yeah, but Barry, your notions of how I act are wrong. You just described me as attempting to demonize someone whose opinions were different from mine; then you go on to cite my opinion of MMY as the one presumably in question here. I'm not criticizing Paul for his anti-MMY bias. I'm criticizing him for not being up-front about it. If I were into demonizing those whose opinions were different from mine, I'd have to demonize the vast majority of the people on this forum, but I don't, because they're honest and up front about their biases. Paul is not. Nor am I anywhere near as strongly positive about MMY as you appear to want to believe. You demonize me because I've been so critical of your own hypocrisy and phoniness, but the only way you can do that is to paint me as a fanatical true believer who demonizes others because what they say conflicts with my beliefs. That's simply not so; that's a tale you've invented to try to discredit my criticisms of you. You want to see a nasty piece of work, Barry, look in the mirror. They don't come much nastier. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Pay attention, Shemp. Hate was not a word I used. I stand corrected. nevertheless, replace my references to hate with anti-MMY bias and what I say still holds... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Pay attention, Shemp. Hate was not a word I used. I stand corrected. nevertheless, replace my references to hate with anti-MMY bias and what I say still holds... You think Paul's feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from anti-MMY bias? What to give that just a *little* more thought, Shemp? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Pay attention, Shemp. Hate was not a word I used. I stand corrected. nevertheless, replace my references to hate with anti-MMY bias and what I say still holds... You think Paul's feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from anti-MMY bias? What to give that just a *little* more thought, Shemp? Have you read his book, Judith? From that reading I would have to say that, if anything, it is a pro-TM bias. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? One might ask, Why does what Paul believes about MMY affect you in any way? Why do YOU care? Seems to me that you're interested in finding a way to demonize as biased someone who simply believes differently than you do about Maharishi. Why? What do you gain from this? Does it help to make your beliefs stronger? Perhaps, but only people who are already concerned about this show any interest anyway. Paul claims non-bias, but that's obviously untrue. He wasn't commissioned to write his books, now was he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. So far you haven't attempted to dispute any of my assertions on their own ground, instead you resort to weak attempts to sidetrack. Characterizing someone as whining isn't a fact, but a value- judgement... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 8:27 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. So far you haven't attempted to dispute any of my assertions on their own ground, instead you resort to weak attempts to sidetrack. My sentiments too. Calling a spade a spade doesn't indicate bias. Calling someone a whiner is bias, by definition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
'John, John,' the guru called out mournfully. 'Please don't leave me! Come back, come back!' For the second time today I post this quote from Peter Shotton biography of John Lennon. Really, calling out mournfully and whining are virtually synonymous in the English language Lawson. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 8:27 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you said you were a neutral observer where MMY is concerned... Firstly, I certainly wouldn't have described myself in that way. Secondly, being unbiased does not mean that one is disallowed from demonstrating that MMY alone is responsible for the state of his own dodgey reputation. If you were unbiased, why would you care? Hello, hello, 1-2, 1-2, testing. You don't seem to be getting the gist. One doesn't have to be biased or unbiased to see the facts of the matter. So far you haven't attempted to dispute any of my assertions on their own ground, instead you resort to weak attempts to sidetrack. My sentiments too. Calling a spade a spade doesn't indicate bias. Calling someone a whiner is bias, by definition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. For most people, fair and resonably open-minded, means they agree with me. Actually, I'd say for everyone, but I haven't met everyone. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 12:43 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's call the spade the spade and admit that there are a tiny group of individuals who when confronted with facts they do not like, because it digs in deep at the level of their beliefs they resort to personal attacks. Tiny? Most people are this way. Rick, with all due respect, if you really believe this, you've either been in Fairfield too long or in America too long. Are you saying that psychological defense mechanisms are different in different countries? That's alot of scientific kudos and awards waiting for you if you can prove it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. And by whom do you suspect they have been enlisted, Paul? I missed that. Is he trying to say that anyone who disagrees with him is doing so in a coordinated way? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'The Maharishi was sitting alone in a small shelter made of wood with a dried grass roof.' Cynthia Lennon - 'A Twist of Lennon' Star, 1978 So, not exactly a grass hut. And for how long was he sitting there? Did he live in this small shelter? And was he really sitting or could he possibly have been standing? Your reputation is on the line here, Paul. Remember to focus on the really important stuff like Judy does. If Paul can carefully avoid dealing straightforwardly with the issue of his bias, instead taking the time to prove to me that MMY was sitting in a shelter that used some grass in its construction to justify his use of the term grass hut, I think it's OK for me to press him on the function of the hut (hut being a term that is typically used to describe a mean dwelling place, as opposed to what now appears to have been something more like a garden gazebo). Notice that Paul has failed to respond to the observation that the term whining and the phrase let pride stand in the way hardly constitute matters of fact, which is what he had claimed to be dealing with, nor to my point about his rhetorical questions. The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. The issue, which you are studiously trying to avoid, is that the Beatles blew him off as a charlatan and a Bad Bet because of his own actions and his reaction to it was to avoid learning any- thing from the experience. That might be. But Paul's own language suggests bias on his part, IMHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia Farrow's own take on HER incident with MMY (from her book What falls away, p. 128): Now we will meditate in my 'cave', said Maharishi, and I followed him down steep wooden steps into a dark, humid little cellar room that smelled of sandalwood. It was my first time in his cave: there was a small shrine with flowers and a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's dead teacher, and a carpet on which we settled ourselves in the lotus position to meditate. After twenty or so minutes we were getting to our feet, still facing each other, but as I'm usually a little disoriented after meditation, I was blinking at his beard when suddenly I became aware of two surprisingly male, hairy arms going around me. I panicked, and shot up the stairs, apologizing all the way. That's wild. She already says that she's disoriented and she bases the entire incident on this. I would think that there was non-stop rounding going on during that time, and disoriented for some people included falling down stairs and continuing ontheir way without even noticing that they had just fallen down the stairs(actual incident relatedto me years ago). IOW, she may have been accosted or was starting to fall over and misinterpreted what happened, or something else entirely. You really can't say ANYTHING based on this incident. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] Paul Mason on one side of the spectrum on the question at hand, Spare Egg on the Other. Ofcourse. But I'm not pretending to be non-biased on the subject. And every point in between. Doesn't matter where you are on the above described spectrum, TM will work for you regardless. I believe so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? I would guess the same frustration that many feel when they see the TMO going in ways they don't believe are good, based on what they think is best for the TMO. My attitude is simply that its MMY's organization to nurture or destroy as he sees fit. Since the whole thing hasn't played out yet (he's still alive, as an imporant for instance), I reserve judgement on what will happen to the TMO in the next few years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? I think it stems from the time he finally stopped beating his wife. But... DID he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Only a fanatic would describe an individual who demonstrates anything less than unconditional, unthinking obeisance to a teacher as hate. I haven't read the book either, but based on what he's been saying lately here and on AMT, I'd say he's rather angry at MMY, at least these days. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'John, John,' the guru called out mournfully. 'Please don't leave me! Come back, come back!' For the second time today I post this quote from Peter Shotton biography of John Lennon. Really, calling out mournfully and whining are virtually synonymous in the English language Lawson. Mourning and whining are virtually synomymous according to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue isn't where MMY was sitting; the issue is Paul's refusal to admit to his obvious anti-MMY bias, even on this forum, where anti-MMY bias is the rule rather than the exception. Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? Judy, you are, simply, certifiable. Have you read Paul's book? I have and the impression I got is that his feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from hate. Pay attention, Shemp. Hate was not a word I used. I stand corrected. nevertheless, replace my references to hate with anti-MMY bias and what I say still holds... You think Paul's feelings for MMY are about 180 degrees from anti-MMY bias? What to give that just a *little* more thought, Shemp? Have you read his book, Judith? From that reading I would have to say that, if anything, it is a pro-TM bias. I don't believe I ever said Paul had an anti-TM bias. As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. But it's Paul's posts here, and on alt.m.t, and on TMNews and TMControversy where his anti-MMY bias is most evident. The book per se is largely irrelevant in light of those comments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'John, John,' the guru called out mournfully. 'Please don't leave me! Come back, come back!' For the second time today I post this quote from Peter Shotton biography of John Lennon. Really, calling out mournfully and whining are virtually synonymous in the English language Lawson. No, they most certainly are not virtually synonymous. Check Mr. Dictionary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. And by whom do you suspect they have been enlisted, Paul? I missed that. Is he trying to say that anyone who disagrees with him is doing so in a coordinated way? It would appear so, coordinated and directed by some external agent. The oh-so-excellent spin-doctoring PR arm of the TMO? Karl Rove is our leader. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I have found many of those posting at FFL are really quite fair and reasonably open-minded. I can only think of more than about half a dozen or so that have seemingly been enlisted try to spoil the fun. And by whom do you suspect they have been enlisted, Paul? I missed that. Is he trying to say that anyone who disagrees with him is doing so in a coordinated way? It would appear so, coordinated and directed by some external agent. The oh-so-excellent spin-doctoring PR arm of the TMO? Karl Rove is our leader. Just like the old days on alt.m.t. That was always the last-resort tactic to discredit TMers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
on 9/5/05 4:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wild. She already says that she's disoriented and she bases the entire incident on this. I would think that there was non-stop rounding going on during that time, and disoriented for some people included falling down stairs and continuing ontheir way without even noticing that they had just fallen down the stairs(actual incident relatedto me years ago). IOW, she may have been accosted or was starting to fall over and misinterpreted what happened, or something else entirely. You really can't say ANYTHING based on this incident. I agree. The Mia Farrow incident is only significant in light of all the other incidents, and as such is still insignificant. Nothing happened. He didn't even get to first base. Of course, on many other occasions, with other partners, he hit home runs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
jstein wrote: As you know, I skimmed a few chapters in Paul's book and found some pretty snarky remarks concerning MMY. So, you haven't read Paul's book. But, isn't it a fact that the parts you read you read on the Internet. Exactly which parts of the book do you consider to be snarky? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 4:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wild. She already says that she's disoriented and she bases the entire incident on this. I would think that there was non-stop rounding going on during that time, and disoriented for some people included falling down stairs and continuing ontheir way without even noticing that they had just fallen down the stairs(actual incident relatedto me years ago). IOW, she may have been accosted or was starting to fall over and misinterpreted what happened, or something else entirely. You really can't say ANYTHING based on this incident. I agree. The Mia Farrow incident is only significant in light of all the other incidents, and as such is still insignificant. Nothing happened. He didn't even get to first base. Of course, on many other occasions, with other partners, he hit home runs. That might be. Couldn't say. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
Rick Archer wrote: Of course, on many other occasions, with other partners, he hit home runs. This isn't your finest moment, Rick - apparently you'll stoop to any level to bash the Maharishi - up to and including discussing his private sex life, or lack thereof. Maybe it's time for someone else to moderate this forum. Is this supposed to be a family-oriented discussion group? Are there any rules on this forum? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
For a long time I dismissed the Mia Farrow/Maharishi story for all the reasons one dismisses it -- it was a misunderstanding; Magic Alex fabricated the rumor to regain his drug customers; Mia fabricated the story for reasons known only to Mia. I *really* dismissed the allegations of impropriety in 1997 when Farrow's book came out and Terry Gross interviewed her on public radio's Fresh Air. The whole interview was about all the men who've treated her badly. Basically, every man in Mia Farrow's life has screwed her, or tried. Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen are merely the best known. She is a magnet for male mistreatment. Her biography really illustrates a life typified by being preyed upon by men. It's spooky. So I figured, Maharishi somehow got suckered into that Mia-Farrow-as-victim scene. Convinced as I was of Maharishi's innocence, imagine my surprise when I read the Sexy Sadie correspondence. So Farrow may have been telling the truth after all! She could be innocent or she could be a serial victim, but if he fired on other women and Mia Farrow invites unwanted attention (yes, I meant that the way I wrote it), it makes sense he'd hit on her. Before the Sexy Sadie file came into being, the Mia Farrow/ Maharishi story was an isolated incident I was inclined to dismiss. Now I've read enough to dismiss the Farrow incident not as unlikely, but as overkill. I've read enough that I don't need it. - Patrick Gillam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia Farrow's own take on HER incident with MMY (from her book What falls away, p. 128): Now we will meditate in my 'cave', said Maharishi, and I followed him down steep wooden steps into a dark, humid little cellar room that smelled of sandalwood. It was my first time in his cave: there was a small shrine with flowers and a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's dead teacher, and a carpet on which we settled ourselves in the lotus position to meditate. After twenty or so minutes we were getting to our feet, still facing each other, but as I'm usually a little disoriented after meditation, I was blinking at his beard when suddenly I became aware of two surprisingly male, hairy arms going around me. I panicked, and shot up the stairs, apologizing all the way. That's wild. She already says that she's disoriented and she bases the entire incident on this. I would think that there was non-stop rounding going on during that time, and disoriented for some people included falling down stairs and continuing ontheir way without even noticing that they had just fallen down the stairs(actual incident relatedto me years ago). IOW, she may have been accosted or was starting to fall over and misinterpreted what happened, or something else entirely. You really can't say ANYTHING based on this incident. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [...] Before the Sexy Sadie file came into being, the Mia Farrow/ Maharishi story was an isolated incident I was inclined to dismiss. Now I've read enough to dismiss the Farrow incident not as unlikely, but as overkill. I've read enough that I don't need it. It's sad if MMY has been unable to keepit in his dhoti, given his Bramacharyi status. While its true he never claimed celibacy once he came to the west, it shows a certain lack of self-control, if true. However, how do you know that ANY of the stories in the sexy sadie file is true? Have you spoken with any of the authors personally? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- sparaig wrote: do you know that ANY of the stories in the sexy sadie file is true? Have you spoken with any of the authors personally? Oh no, I've not talked to any authors. And of course I cannot *know* if any of the stories are true. But so many people's stories jibe with one another's that the whole seventies sex scenario strikes me as extremely plausible. I've simply had a shift in what I'm willing to believe. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] Paul Mason on one side of the spectrum on the question at hand, Spare Egg on the Other. Ofcourse. But I'm not pretending to be non-biased on the subject. And every point in between. Doesn't matter where you are on the above described spectrum, TM will work for you regardless. I believe so. Belief has nothing to do with it, Chumly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Does anyone know from where Paul Masons hate of Maharishi stems ? I would guess the same frustration that many feel when they see the TMO going in ways they don't believe are good, based on what they think is best for the TMO. My attitude is simply that its MMY's organization to nurture or destroy as he sees fit. Since the whole thing hasn't played out yet (he's still alive, as an imporant for instance), I reserve judgement on what will happen to the TMO in the next few years. After MMY dies, I believe alot of things will normalize. Indeed, once that happens you're going to get alot of TBers acting the way communist party members in Eastern Bloc countries acted after the fall of communism: Well, we just went along with all the crainess because we had to and, you know, we didn't say anything at the time because we didn't want to upset the powers that be. But we realize now how nutty all those pronouncements were and, hey, we didn't REALLY believe them you know... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
