[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
  surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
  would be the most sensible action for all of the above.
 
 Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on
courses for
 a long time. Unless they became millionaires.

So, so true :-) 

  Funny and sad at the same time.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
 hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
 
  --- 
  
  Imaginary scenario...what are the responses of the Gurus?:
  
  A Guru is lecturing in a hall with devotees, when some terrorist
  bandits come in and demand money from everyone; if the money is 
not
  forthcoming, the Guru's fingers will be cut off.
Some people in the group fail to fork over their money and the
  terrorists cut off 2 of the Guru's fingers.  Then, the police 
come in
  and round up the bandits, after which the lecture continues...
  [Q = question from the audience]; [R = response of the Guru]:
  
  Q: [the Guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj]:  Oh Guru, how do you feel 
that
  your fingers were cut off?
  R: Ask, who is the I of the person whose fingers were cut off.
  
  Q: [the Guru is MMY - pronounced Maharshee - otherwise you sit 
in
  the back if pronounced Mahareeshee]:
  Maharshee, who do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
  R: A person in Unity cannot suffer. Besides, we just meditate and
  take it as it comes. 
  
  Q: [the Guru is Ramesh Balsekar]
  Ramesh, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
  R: No problem, it's all part of the total functioning of the 
Universe.
  
  Q: [The Guru is Ramana Maharshi, addressed as Bhagavan]
  Bhagavan, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
  R: What is fated to happen, will happen. The best thing to do is 
to
  remain silent.
  
  --- End forwarded message ---
 
 
 Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
 surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
 would be the most sensible action for all of the above.

And when asked why he was screaming/whimpering with pain, any of the 
above might have replied: because its what one does in this kind of 
situation.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
 students in the hall are black belts in some form of
 martial arts:
 A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
 taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were 
 we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues...
 
 :-)  :-)  :-)
 
 Different strokes for different folks...

Or else he could have said:

A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it
anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider






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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
  Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
  students in the hall are black belts in some form of
  martial arts:
  A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
  taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were 
  we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues...
  
  :-)  :-)  :-)
  
  Different strokes for different folks...
 
 Or else he could have said:
 
 A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
 have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
 instead of an lunatic suicider

And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds
of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) 
criticizing his chosen spiritual path?  :-)  :-)  :-)

Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with
years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to
defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he
weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You
are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean-
spirited it may be.  :-)

This would seem to be the difference between you and 
me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the
max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied 
with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. 

On the whole, I'd rather be me than you.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

se he could have said:
  
  A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
  have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
  instead of an lunatic suicider

 Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
 get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
 Rama. 

Neither was that the intention.

  When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
 your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
 against you, 

Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to
perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No
intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this
situation is macabre in itself.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 se he could have said:
   
   A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
   have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
   instead of an lunatic suicider
 
  Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
  get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
  Rama. 
 
 Neither was that the intention.
 
   When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
  your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
  against you, 
 
 Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to
 perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No
 intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this
 situation is macabre in itself.

And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other,
like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 se he could have said:
   
   A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
   have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
   instead of an lunatic suicider
 
  Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
  get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
  Rama. 
 
 Neither was that the intention.
 
   When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
  your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
  against you, 
 
 Neither. I just brought his seeming superior reaction back to
 perspective. I thought it's funny how you could bring this up. No
 intention to hurt you there. The positioning of him by you in this
 situation is macabre in itself.

This is a man in SERIOUS denial about his own actions.

First, look at the section of my reply he deleted 
and pretended never existed:

 And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds
 of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) 
 criticizing his chosen spiritual path?  :-)  :-)  :-)

Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding
Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? And that
the whole quote was MADE UP, just to point out the 
differences between spiritual groups?

Face it, dude. You were just pissed off to see the name
of a teacher you not only don't respect but actively
dislike appear on this forum, and you lashed out. 

When I've said things about bhakti, things you got all
whiny about, they weren't attacking any particular 
teacher, or anyone's beliefs about a teacher; they were
intellectual questions about the implications of bhakti
itself. *You* reacted to them as if I'd shit in your
punchbowl, and tried your best to portray me here as
a bad guy.

Now when you -- rather gratuitously, I might add -- choose
to actually go out of your way to trash a spiritual
teacher who was referenced as part of a JOKE, ferchrissakes,
it's somehow OK and you meant no harm.

Get a grip, dude.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other,
 like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'.

Boy, are you hanging out on the wrong Yahoo group!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against 
  the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than 
  your fathers'.
 
 Boy, are you hanging out on the wrong Yahoo group!

For the record, female students I knew in the Rama trip
who were...uh...in a position to know were consistent
in their description of Rama's depth of knowledge as
pretty average. So if anyone out there is convinced
that their guru's dick was bigger than mine's was, 
they win.

:-)  :-)  :-)







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
 surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
 would be the most sensible action for all of the above.

Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on courses for
a long time. Unless they became millionaires.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti 
 no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
   Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
   students in the hall are black belts in some form of
   martial arts:
   A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
   taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were 
   we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues...
   
   :-)  :-)  :-)
   
   Different strokes for different folks...
  
  Or else he could have said:
  
  A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
  have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
  instead of an lunatic suicider
 
 And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds
 of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) 
 criticizing his chosen spiritual path?  :-)  :-)  :-)
 
 Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
 get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
 Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with
 years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to
 defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he
 weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You
 are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean-
 spirited it may be.  :-)
 
 This would seem to be the difference between you and 
 me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
 your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
 against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the
 max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied 
 with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. 
 
 On the whole, I'd rather be me than you.


Methinks you doth protest too much...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti 
  no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:

Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
students in the hall are black belts in some form of
martial arts:
A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were 
we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues...

:-)  :-)  :-)

Different strokes for different folks...
   
   Or else he could have said:
   
   A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't 
   have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr 
   instead of an lunatic suicider
  
  And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds
  of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) 
  criticizing his chosen spiritual path?  :-)  :-)  :-)
  
  Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T
  get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on
  Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with
  years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to
  defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he
  weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You
  are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean-
  spirited it may be.  :-)
  
  This would seem to be the difference between you and 
  me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even
  your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack 
  against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the
  max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied 
  with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. 
  
  On the whole, I'd rather be me than you.
 
 Methinks you doth protest too much...

Only to the hypocrisy of t3rinity's posts, not to 
the slam on Rama. You think Maharishi gets criticized?
You don't know the half of it.  :-)

I may still love the dude, *despite* all the nasty
things he did to me personally and many of my fellow
students, but it's really neither my job nor my 
interest to defend him or say only pleasant things
about him. Check out my recent comment about Mr. 
Can't Keep His Dick In His Pants' depth of 
knowledge.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
  surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
  would be the most sensible action for all of the above.
 
 Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on
courses for
 a long time. Unless they became millionaires.

ROFLOL, that was the best one! You know I really thought once, that
this may have been his way to keep CIA (in the paranoia of it) out of
positions, because, would the Government spend really that much money
to infiltrate the movement? Prolly not.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding
 Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? 

Why did you get so serious about it then?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-15 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- 
 
 Imaginary scenario...what are the responses of the Gurus?:
 
 A Guru is lecturing in a hall with devotees, when some terrorist
 bandits come in and demand money from everyone; if the money is not
 forthcoming, the Guru's fingers will be cut off.
   Some people in the group fail to fork over their money and the
 terrorists cut off 2 of the Guru's fingers.  Then, the police come in
 and round up the bandits, after which the lecture continues...
 [Q = question from the audience]; [R = response of the Guru]:
 
 Q: [the Guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj]:  Oh Guru, how do you feel that
 your fingers were cut off?
 R: Ask, who is the I of the person whose fingers were cut off.
 
 Q: [the Guru is MMY - pronounced Maharshee - otherwise you sit in
 the back if pronounced Mahareeshee]:
 Maharshee, who do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: A person in Unity cannot suffer. Besides, we just meditate and
 take it as it comes. 
 
 Q: [the Guru is Ramesh Balsekar]
 Ramesh, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: No problem, it's all part of the total functioning of the Universe.
 
 Q: [The Guru is Ramana Maharshi, addressed as Bhagavan]
 Bhagavan, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: What is fated to happen, will happen. The best thing to do is to
 remain silent.
 
 --- End forwarded message ---


Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
would be the most sensible action for all of the above.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- 
 
 Imaginary scenario...what are the responses of the Gurus?:
 
 A Guru is lecturing in a hall with devotees, when some terrorist
 bandits come in and demand money from everyone; if the money is not
 forthcoming, the Guru's fingers will be cut off.
   Some people in the group fail to fork over their money and the
 terrorists cut off 2 of the Guru's fingers.  Then, the police come 
in
 and round up the bandits, after which the lecture continues...
 [Q = question from the audience]; [R = response of the Guru]:
 
 Q: [the Guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj]:  Oh Guru, how do you 
 feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: Ask, who is the I of the person whose fingers were cut off.
 
 Q: [the Guru is MMY - pronounced Maharshee - otherwise you sit in
 the back if pronounced Mahareeshee]:
 Maharshee, who do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: A person in Unity cannot suffer. Besides, we just meditate and
 take it as it comes. 
 
 Q: [the Guru is Ramesh Balsekar]
 Ramesh, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: No problem, it's all part of the total functioning of the 
 Universe.
 
 Q: [The Guru is Ramana Maharshi, addressed as Bhagavan]
 Bhagavan, how do you feel that your fingers were cut off?
 R: What is fated to happen, will happen. The best thing to do is 
 to remain silent.

Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
students in the hall are black belts in some form of
martial arts:
A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were 
we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity... lecture continues...

:-)  :-)  :-)

Different strokes for different folks...








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