[FairfieldLife] This is Interesting
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/
[FairfieldLife] Just Sorta Interesting.....
David Axelrod: A surprise request from Justice Scalia - CNN.com http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/14/opinions/david-axelrod-surprise-request-from-justice-scalia/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/14/opinions/david-axelrod-surprise-request-from-justice-scalia/index.html David Axelrod: A surprise request from Justice Scalia -... http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/14/opinions/david-axelrod-surprise-request-from-justice-scalia/index.html The former senior adviser to President Obama recalls when Scalia asked for the appointment of a justice who is a stalwart liberal View on www.cnn.com http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/14/opinions/david-axelrod-surprise-request-from-justice-scalia/index.html Preview by Yahoo
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Ironic, again, that Ronald Reagan was the father of the 'amnesty for illegal immigrants' program - converted nearly 3 million to US citizens that way, during his Presidency. The reason his program of reform failed, is that his own party made him strip out all the legislation that enforced the laws against the hiring of illegal immigrants, creating the situation today, where some of the Fortune 500 depend on illegal immigrants to keep their bottom lines healthy. Immigration, like gay marriage, like abortion, is another fake wedge issue. Keeps us squabbling, so that no one notices that the money backers all want the same thing, to make more money at all costs. As long as there are emotional hot buttons to keep us distracted, the politicians will push them every time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Merriam-Webster defines *Immigrant* as someone who comes to another country to set up residency. Massachusetts was not a country or state at the time of the first Thanksgiving. At some point it became a recognized colony of the crown. There was no immigration. No permission to enter into the area around Plymouth Rock and settle was needed. No laws were violated. There was no government. Perhaps from an indigenous point of view, there should have been! Look at what they lost, EVERYTHING!< As for the Immigrant's Day thing, it wasn't a rumor. They admit to it. Someone on that conference call, by invitation only and 99 chances out of a hundred were or was, an Obama supporter, made the suggestion, preposterous as it was. Anne, are you an Obama supporter? You didn't think it Preposterous. Did you? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90 Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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I'll give you that! The chamber of commerce wants cheap labor. Now, do you have
an explanation why Democrats want a bunch of illegal immigrants made
legal?<I'll tell you why I think neither will fix the problem. The birth rate
of American citizens is shrinking. The baby boomers are starting to retire.
Social Security is a ponzi scheme that will go under if there aren't enough
people paying into it, especially with the baby boomers getting ready to
receive their SS benefits. Illegals pay into the system but can't receive
benefits because they use phony SS numbers. Of course , this will become a
political issue one day, but not right now. Congress will dig another hole for
that.
From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Ironic, again, that Ronald Reagan was the father of the 'amnesty for
illegal immigrants' program - converted nearly 3 million to US citizens that
way, during his Presidency. The reason his program of reform failed, is that
his own party made him strip out all the legislation that enforced the laws
against the hiring of illegal immigrants, creating the situation today, where
some of the Fortune 500 depend on illegal immigrants to keep their bottom lines
healthy.
Immigration, like gay marriage, like abortion, is another fake wedge issue.
Keeps us squabbling, so that no one notices that the money backers all want the
same thing, to make more money at all costs. As long as there are emotional hot
buttons to keep us distracted, the politicians will push them every time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Merriam-Webster defines *Immigrant* as someone who comes to another country to
set up residency. Massachusetts was not a country or state at the time of the
first Thanksgiving. At some point it became a recognized colony of the crown.
There was no immigration. No permission to enter into the area around Plymouth
Rock and settle was needed. No laws were violated. There was no government.
Perhaps from an indigenous point of view, there should have been! Look at what
they lost, EVERYTHING!< As for the Immigrant's Day thing, it wasn't a rumor.
They admit to it. Someone on that conference call, by invitation only and 99
chances out of a hundred were or was, an Obama supporter, made the suggestion,
preposterous as it was. Anne, are you an Obama supporter? You didn't think it
Preposterous. Did you?
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the
indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90
Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like
these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the
Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although
it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I don't think anybody suggested he did.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
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but I didn't actually believe Obama had come up with that idea.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the
indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90
Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like
these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the
Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although
it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90 Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed to our current way of life in this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Actually I thought it more an indictment of Obama's supporters. It was a person on his conference call that made the suggestion, whether they were serious or not, but I'm inclined to think they were. I got the impression the WH rolled their eyes at the suggestion.< As for Obamacare, more affordable for who? For those who could not get it before. But everyone else is paying for their subsidies, making their premiums raise as much as 50% or more and get less bang for their buck or receive benefits they never needed or wanted. Of course the insurance companies like it, they have mandatory customers . I'm not sure at this point that it's more profitable for them but at least they can make up for any loss by increasing their volume. Increasing jobs is also debatable. Some jobs will be created in the medical field to take up the increased volume. More jobs will be lots or not created by the restrictions the government has made on businesses. Hours will be cut at many jobs to avoid the full time category, which will save a company from having to pay for insurance. From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Not at all - I don't think you are a racist either. But this is just really dirty, even for politics, and as I said feels a little racist to me, for the reasons I mentioned. It also has nothing to do with his policies, just a personal attack. I do find it ironic that many Republicans have vowed to shut down "Obamacare", which in addition to closing many loopholes, and making healthcare more affordable, has been a huge boon for the healthcare industry, boosting profits, and creating jobs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Right, if you don't agree with the President, you have to be a racist! If you criticize the President, you have to be a racist. If you resist his policies, you have to be a racist. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed to our current way of life in this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song | | | | | | Immigrant Song Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to | | | View on www.snopes.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "Wil
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Right, if you don't agree with the President, you have to be a racist! If you
criticize the President, you have to be a racist. If you resist his policies,
you have to be a racist.
From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat
routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness
to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent
Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I
wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed
to our current way of life in this country.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading.
The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is
preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far
right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not
revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to
Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are
pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an
immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a
conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post.
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that.
Read this from Snopes.
Immigrant Song
| |
| | | | Immigrant Song Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an
executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to | |
| View on www.snopes.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
If you read my original post, then the last paragraph of the snope' s article,
there is no contradiction. I agree with you, the very idea would be
preposterous, I even stated that I was unsure about the truth of it. But
*preposterous* would be par for the course for his administration. You are the
one that brings up "Obama is not American, yada yada yada." Even Anne thought
it was a great idea. LOL!
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading.
The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is
preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far
right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not
revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to
Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are
pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an
immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a
conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post.
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that.
Read this from Snopes.
Immigrant Song
| |
| | | | Immigrant Song Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an
executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to | |
| View on www.snopes.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I heard a rumor that Obama is going to change the July 4th holiday to United Nations Day, because we need to move beyond our narrow patriotism and embrace all of humanity. The nerve of it! What will he think of next? Oh, wait, now I'm reading that he proposes to change by Executive Order Veterans Day into Apologies Day, where we will all have to apologize for starting so many wars. Obama obviously hates America and will stop at nothing to destroy our heritage. It's a huge scandal. Send him home to Kenya! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : If you read my original post, then the last paragraph of the snope' s article, there is no contradiction. I agree with you, the very idea would be preposterous, I even stated that I was unsure about the truth of it. But *preposterous* would be par for the course for his administration. You are the one that brings up "Obama is not American, yada yada yada." Even Anne thought it was a great idea. LOL! From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Not at all - I don't think you are a racist either. But this is just really dirty, even for politics, and as I said feels a little racist to me, for the reasons I mentioned. It also has nothing to do with his policies, just a personal attack. I do find it ironic that many Republicans have vowed to shut down "Obamacare", which in addition to closing many loopholes, and making healthcare more affordable, has been a huge boon for the healthcare industry, boosting profits, and creating jobs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Right, if you don't agree with the President, you have to be a racist! If you criticize the President, you have to be a racist. If you resist his policies, you have to be a racist. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed to our current way of life in this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I heard a rumor that Obama is going to change the July 4th holiday to United Nations Day, because we need to move beyond our narrow patriotism and embrace all of humanity. The nerve of it! What will he think of next? Oh, wait, now I'm reading that he proposes to change by Executive Order Veterans Day into Apologies Day, where we will all have to apologize for starting so many wars. Obama obviously hates America and will stop at nothing to destroy our heritage. It's a huge scandal. Send him home to Kenya! HAHA, I like the July 4th idea, seeing as I am this floating, non-grounded woman of all Nations who belongs to all and none of them simultaneously. Oh give me a home... LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : If you read my original post, then the last paragraph of the snope' s article, there is no contradiction. I agree with you, the very idea would be preposterous, I even stated that I was unsure about the truth of it. But *preposterous* would be par for the course for his administration. You are the one that brings up "Obama is not American, yada yada yada." Even Anne thought it was a great idea. LOL! From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Merriam-Webster defines *Immigrant* as someone who comes to another country to
set up residency. Massachusetts was not a country or state at the time of the
first Thanksgiving. At some point it became a recognized colony of the crown.
There was no immigration. No permission to enter into the area around Plymouth
Rock and settle was needed. No laws were violated. There was no government.
Perhaps from an indigenous point of view, there should have been! Look at what
they lost, EVERYTHING!< As for the Immigrant's Day thing, it wasn't a rumor.
They admit to it. Someone on that conference call, by invitation only and 99
chances out of a hundred were or was, an Obama supporter, made the suggestion,
preposterous as it was. Anne, are you an Obama supporter? You didn't think it
Preposterous. Did you?
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the
indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90
Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like
these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the
Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although
it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Merriam-Webster defines *Immigrant* as someone who comes to another country to set up residency. Massachusetts was not a country or state at the time of the first Thanksgiving. At some point it became a recognized colony of the crown. There was no immigration. Mike, you crack me up. You don't need a dictionary to define "immigrant". Here are some synonyms: synonyms: newcomer https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2=1449=914=define+newcomer=X=0CB0Q_SowAGoVChMIqv7ZyvWKyAIVkJaICh3DlAuK, settler https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2=1449=914=define+settler=X=0CB4Q_SowAGoVChMIqv7ZyvWKyAIVkJaICh3DlAuK, migrant https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2=1449=914=define+migrant=X=0CB8Q_SowAGoVChMIqv7ZyvWKyAIVkJaICh3DlAuK, emigrant https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2=1449=914=define+emigrant=X=0CCAQ_SowAGoVChMIqv7ZyvWKyAIVkJaICh3DlAuK; The Pilgrims were coming to a land, which was neither their birth place or their ancestor's home with the intention of staying there and creating a life. I have no value judgement here, immigrants are not "bad" people. (laughs) But, these settlers were at least migrants entering a foreign land - how's that? No permission to enter into the area around Plymouth Rock and settle was needed. No laws were violated. There was no government. Perhaps from an indigenous point of view, there should have been! Look at what they lost, EVERYTHING!< As for the Immigrant's Day thing, it wasn't a rumor. They admit to it. Someone on that conference call, by invitation only and 99 chances out of a hundred were or was, an Obama supporter, made the suggestion, preposterous as it was. Anne, are you an Obama supporter? You didn't think it Preposterous. Did you? I am an Obama supporter, for sure. I think it was a jolly idea, changing the name "Thanksgiving" to "Immigrants Day" (especially since I believe Pilgrims were immigrants) but I didn't actually believe Obama had come up with that idea. I also like Feste's fatuous idea of changing July 4 to "United Nations Day". But I'm a freak here: I have no allegiance to any country and have a complete lack of National pride or patriotism. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90 Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -----Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
From: "William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans
Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post. From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. Read this from Snopes. Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a
conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post.
From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that.
Read this from Snopes.
Immigrant Song
||
|||| Immigrant Song Rumor: President Obama plans to
issue an executive order changing the name of Thanksgiving to||
| View on www.snopes.com |Preview by Yahoo|
||
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.
Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like
it!
From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
Neither golf day or fund raise day!
The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national
holiday
-Original Message-
From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day. Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like it! From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" Neither golf day or fund raise day! The FOURTH of JULY is ONE, & our 1st & for some time the only national holiday -Original Message- From: ultrarishi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day" I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Don't think D Day is a National Holiday
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: Interesting...now work with this.....
From: l.donaldl...@gmail.com To: l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: 11/20/2014 3:06:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Fw: Interesting...now work with this. There seems to be no end to Obama’s cunningness.. November 9, 2014 I started investigating Loretta Lynch, Obama’s pick for Attorney General and immediately could see an interesting connection. I read an article stating that when Loretta Lynch started Harvard, she co-founded an African-American sorority. There was only one other girl in this sorority, Sharon Malone. The name rang a bell. The name of the wife of AG Holder is Sharon Malone, she is the sister of a known civil rights leader Vivien Malone -Jones (one of 2 black students who enrolled in all white University of Alabama). I checked the age: both were born in 1959 and both went to Harvard at the same time. There were very few African American students in Harvard in 1977-1981, so I am rather certain that Loretta Lynch is an old college friend of Sharon Malone, the wife of the current AG Eric Holder. Why this connection is important? Holder will be investigated by Congress for totally lawless gun trafficking to Mexican drug cartels in Fast and Furious, IRS scandal, VA scandal, DOJ, NSA, EPA, FEC and other scandals. Most importantly, Holder covered up Obama’s use of a stolen CT Social Security number of Harrison J. Bounel 042-68-4425 and Obama’s use of bogus IDs. It seems that a long time college friend of Holder’s wife was picked up as a gate keeper to continue all of the cover up by Holder and shield Holder and Obama from criminal prosecution. By Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ Source: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/was-loretta-lynch-picked-to-be-a-gate-keeper-and-cover-up-criminal-investigation-of-eric-holder-who-is-married-to-l ynchs-friend-sharon-malone/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: an interesting article
---BeginMessage--- Hello. I decided to translate this article for you from Bulgarian as I liked it a lot. Excuse the roughness of the translation. Enjoy, Yotka *How a Single Word Can Cause a Cancer* Scientists have shown that the word has a direct influence on the structure of the DNA molecules, and therefore on people in general. Whatever terminology a man uses, as his vocabulary luggage is, so is his life. Occasionally in society discussions flare about whether to curse. Scientists say swearing literally runs into the genetic apparatus as a result of which mutations that lead to degeneration are carried from one generation to the next. When a person is constantly cursing, its chromosomes break and bend and genes change places. As a result, DNA begins to produce unnatural programs thus to next generation is gradually transmitted a provision for self destruction. Experiments with irradiating seeds of plants with words have been done for years. Almost all seeds die and the surviving become genetic freaks. These monstrous seeds bring about many diseases that are transmitted by inheritance. After several generations their descendants completely degenerate. Interesting fact: the mutagenic effect does not depend on the volume of the word being spoken, it can be pronounced loudly or whispered. The conclusion of the researchers is this: certain words have not energetic but information effects on DNA. The opposite experiment has also been done. Scientists 'blessed' seeds that were killed by the powerful radiation exposure. As a result, confused genes, chromosomes and torn helix of DNA returned to their former places and dead seeds got revived. Skeptics are distrustful of those conclusions. How can ordinary words influence heredity? Our idea of the genetic apparatus as consisting solely of chemicals is outdated. To build alive being by DNA, much more complex structures are needed. The human programming is embedded in the physical fields created around chromosomes and has a holographic structure. All information about the past, present and future of the body is contained at any point of the wave genome in concentrated form. DNA molecules exchange this information via electromagnetic waves, including acoustic and light. Today, scientists have learned to load DNA with the energy of light and sound. Emanating certain genetic programs, they stimulate the body's reserve capacity. The conclusion is unequivocal - DNA perceives human speech. Its ears are ideally suited to capture acoustic vibrations. Pushkin once wrote to his wife, do not stain your soul by reading French novels ... Someone might smile at the recommendation of the genius, but scientists have discovered that even silent reading reaches the cell nucleus by electromagnetic channels. One text heals heredity and another traumatizes it. Renowned physicist Pyotr Garyaev believes that by using verbal thought-forms a person creates their genetic apparatus. For example, the child inherits from his parents deforming program and starts swearing and cursing. So he destroys himself and his environment, both social and psychological. And this snowball is rolling down from generation to generation. So our genetic apparatus cares about what books we read. Everything is sealed in the wave genome, i.e. in the wave genetic program that changes in one direction or another heredity and the programming of each cell. One word can cause an incurable disease, and another can heal people. Moreover, your DNA does not know whether you are communicating with real people or characters from the TV series. A man looks like a memorial book that records their own reactions and the wishes of all others, including their own. This information not only forms his personality, but is sealed in his DNA. The health of his descendants depends on its content. silnabulgaria.com ---End Message---
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: an interesting article
wleed3, thanks for the fascinating article, which I believe. Recently I was on a call with a healer who had us hold out our hands palm up. He then instructed us to say the word anger to one hand and the word love to the other hand. Then asked us what we noticed. My right hand, the one I had said anger to, was lower than the left. And felt heavier! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:06 PM, wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - Hello. I decided to translate this article for you from Bulgarian as I liked it a lot. Excuse the roughness of the translation. Enjoy, Yotka How a Single Word Can Cause a Cancer Scientists have shown that the word has a direct influence on the structure of the DNA molecules, and therefore on people in general. Whatever terminology a man uses, as his vocabulary luggage is, so is his life. Occasionally in society discussions flare about whether to curse. Scientists say swearing literally runs into the genetic apparatus as a result of which mutations that lead to degeneration are carried from one generation to the next. When a person is constantly cursing, its chromosomes break and bend and genes change places. As a result, DNA begins to produce unnatural programs thus to next generation is gradually transmitted a provision for self destruction. Experiments with irradiating seeds of plants with words have been done for years. Almost all seeds die and the surviving become genetic freaks. These monstrous seeds bring about many diseases that are transmitted by inheritance. After several generations their descendants completely degenerate. Interesting fact: the mutagenic effect does not depend on the volume of the word being spoken, it can be pronounced loudly or whispered. The conclusion of the researchers is this: certain words have not energetic but information effects on DNA. The opposite experiment has also been done. Scientists 'blessed' seeds that were killed by the powerful radiation exposure. As a result, confused genes, chromosomes and torn helix of DNA returned to their former places and dead seeds got revived. Skeptics are distrustful of those conclusions. How can ordinary words influence heredity? Our idea of the genetic apparatus as consisting solely of chemicals is outdated. To build alive being by DNA, much more complex structures are needed. The human programming is embedded in the physical fields created around chromosomes and has a holographic structure. All information about the past, present and future of the body is contained at any point of the wave genome in concentrated form. DNA molecules exchange this information via electromagnetic waves, including acoustic and light. Today, scientists have learned to load DNA with the energy of light and sound. Emanating certain genetic programs, they stimulate the body's reserve capacity. The conclusion is unequivocal - DNA perceives human speech. Its ears are ideally suited to capture acoustic vibrations. Pushkin once wrote to his wife, do not stain your soul by reading French novels ... Someone might smile at the recommendation of the genius, but scientists have discovered that even silent reading reaches the cell nucleus by electromagnetic channels. One text heals heredity and another traumatizes it. Renowned physicist Pyotr Garyaev believes that by using verbal thought-forms a person creates their genetic apparatus. For example, the child inherits from his parents deforming program and starts swearing and cursing. So he destroys himself and his environment, both social and psychological. And this snowball is rolling down from generation to generation. So our genetic apparatus cares about what books we read. Everything is sealed in the wave genome, i.e. in the wave genetic program that changes in one direction or another heredity and the programming of each cell. One word can cause an incurable disease, and another can heal people. Moreover, your DNA does not know whether you are communicating with real people or characters from the TV series. A man looks like a memorial book that records their own reactions and the wishes of all others, including their own. This information not only forms his personality, but is sealed in his DNA. The health of his descendants depends on its content. silnabulgaria.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: an interesting article
On 6/12/2014 2:06 PM, wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Like.
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
He said again and again that his mission was to bring the teaching of Guru Dev to the whole world. And that's what he did. A unique example of how a student can fulfill the wishes of his Master and help push a planet into a new direction in doing so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
On 2/11/2014 9:10 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. This should be pretty easy to verify. L.B. Shriver didn't get many replies to his thread about his book, Rocks Are Melting the everyday teachings of SBS except for Buck in the Dome. Go figure. You've got to realize, Lawson, that there are only about three or four TMers seriously posting to this list. Most of the informants aren't interested in what MMY or SBS said or taught. Go figure. Apparently in the late 1990's, L.B. Shriver traveled to India as a journalist-seeker to find answers to questions he had about Swami Brahmananda Saraswati... 'The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati' by L.B. Shriver; translation by Cynthia Ann Humes http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?contributorId=1244510
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Bhairitu, Technically, what you're saying is correct. Intellectuals could be considered as brahmins.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-) On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
MJ, The caste system was originally created to divide the work in society based on the person's inherent and natural gifts for certain skills. Brahmins are supposed to perform the priestly duties for society. They can come from any family in society as long as they are intellectually and temperamentally suited to perform the duties. It was not meant to create permanent jobs for certain families or tribes in society, which is the way the caste system is practiced today in India.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
definitely a few kshatriyas (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:33 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-) On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
so I amend my remarks to say that it got derailed AFTER the brahmins shanghaied it for their pleasure - the Laws of Manu were a watershed for that I believe. On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:43 PM MJ, The caste system was originally created to divide the work in society based on the person's inherent and natural gifts for certain skills. Brahmins are supposed to perform the priestly duties for society. They can come from any family in society as long as they are intellectually and temperamentally suited to perform the duties. It was not meant to create permanent jobs for certain families or tribes in society, which is the way the caste system is practiced today in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-th\ e-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-t\ he-religious-will-never-understand-them/ Interesting and insightful article. I particularly liked: The most striking feature of the Vedas is that the Vedas are not the word of god; the Vedas mostly consist of hymns addressed to the gods. This might seem like a mere literary detail, but it is refreshing to read a religious book where, for a change, mankind is the author and not the target audience.
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
He's got some funny stuff on his blog - this is one of them On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here. http://neoindian.org/2009/03/06/6-surprising-benefits-of-moving-to-india/
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, I have no idea - all above my head. On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
I understand. I might suggest that there was a side of him that you missed. Whether it would have changed your outlook on him, I don't know. In general, I think that part of what he had to offer (namely some of the knowledge stuff) has pretty much been obscured. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, I have no idea - all above my head. On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.: It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left wing.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.: It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left wing. Interesting. But I have my biases and I would hate for anyone to call me right wing, maybe that's my left wing talking.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
Re I would hate for anyone to call me right wing: A European right-wing conservative would have views far closer to a typical American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to opt for an abortion is almost universally accepted over here. But I would never label myself either right or left. Maybe I'd opt for something paradoxical like a right-wing anarchist or a left-wing libertarian but these right/left distinctions seem ever more pointless. We need a radically new politics as no one now trusts mainstream politicians. This disengagement from the established parties is usually presented as a crisis by the MSM but I regard it as a healthy sign that people are no longer willing to be taken for granted . And to be fair to the Natural Law Party at least they were thinking outside the box.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re I would hate for anyone to call me right wing: A European right-wing conservative would have views far closer to a typical American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to opt for an abortion is almost universally accepted over here. But I would never label myself either right or left. Maybe I'd opt for something paradoxical like a right-wing anarchist or a left-wing libertarian but these right/left distinctions seem ever more pointless. We need a radically new politics as no one now trusts mainstream politicians. This disengagement from the established parties is usually presented as a crisis by the MSM but I regard it as a healthy sign that people are no longer willing to be taken for granted . And to be fair to the Natural Law Party at least they were thinking outside the box.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV! Those who do TM are supposed to keep pets out of the room when they are meditating as the creatures bleed away your psychic energy - if MMY is to be believed.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV! Those who do TM are supposed to keep pets out of the room when they are meditating as the creatures bleed away your psychic energy - if MMY is to be believed. I am of the belief that we are more likely to be the ones sucking the psychic energy off of animals. They deign to come into our lives, to take on our baggage, to give us unconditional love and to remain steadfast and loyal through thick and thin. I think, in that case, that I could afford to offer a little something to them in return in the form of psychic energy if, indeed, I actually had any of that in me to give.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic. But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need the treatment of a medical doctor first. There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over the past decades so I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be more than a temporary fix.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic. I have read something related to this. It involves overeaters or those who require more of something to get the same kind of satisfaction as someone who only imbibes smaller amounts of the same thing (food, alcohol, etc). Scientists have determined that the over-imbibers/eaters are those with a lack of chemical in the brain responsible for registering pleasure and so one piece of chocolate cake might fulfill one person (with the proper amount of this chemical), it would take half a cake for the one lacking this sensory feedback mechanism to register the same reward/benefit of the former. Not having looked further into this at this point, I can not tell you which chemical or chemicals were responsible for this but I am sure endorphins are part of the equation. But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need the treatment of a medical doctor first. There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over the past decades so I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be more than a temporary fix.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
Re I have read something related to this.: Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has already been shot. My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. On an side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell the police? If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths in the community then I would certainly let the authorities know. But otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his dealer as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect that's a minority opinion! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic. I have read something related to this. It involves overeaters or those who require more of something to get the same kind of satisfaction as someone who only imbibes smaller amounts of the same thing (food, alcohol, etc). Scientists have determined that the over-imbibers/eaters are those with a lack of chemical in the brain responsible for registering pleasure and so one piece of chocolate cake might fulfill one person (with the proper amount of this chemical), it would take half a cake for the one lacking this sensory feedback mechanism to register the same reward/benefit of the former. Not having looked further into this at this point, I can not tell you which chemical or chemicals were responsible for this but I am sure endorphins are part of the equation. But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need the treatment of a medical doctor first. There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over the past decades so I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be more than a temporary fix.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
Re I have read something related to this.: Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has already been shot. My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. On a side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell the police? If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths in the community then I would certainly let the authorities know. But otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his dealer as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect that's a minority opinion!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re I have read something related to this.: Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has already been shot. My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. On a side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell the police? Most likely. If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths in the community then I would certainly let the authorities know. Me too. But otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his dealer as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect that's a minority opinion! It could be complicated but off the top of my head I probably would be a tattle tale. I am not a fan of drugs or the drug culture (illicit or legal) so I would probably let the police know who it was. Drug dealers are enablers of the worst sort. They don't actually care about anything except making money. Consequently, so much of what these people busy themselves with is mere profiteering and at the expense of so many lives. I know the addict is the one ultimately making the choice to administer a toxin of their choice but that doesn't mean the enabler is without some aspect of collusion and therefore often the destruction of another life. I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.
[FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis
Obviously Barry found the study of interest... What interests me is that I can't recall anything anywhere near as numerically complex as the question the study deals with ever having been discussed on FFL, so no one here has ever had the opportunity to prove how much smarter they are than others on that level of numerical reasoning. Which means that Barry is only fantasizing about which members of FFL might be numerate enough for this study to call their political reasoning in question. I'm happy to say I'm not one of them; I'm blissfully innumerate. So he can cross me off his list. Sorry, Barry. ;-) Barry wrote: One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to prove how much smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it reports on says: A recent study by Yale's Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call these truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way, the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to your own pre-existing convictions. And that's what you will tend to do. http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f= http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f= http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f= http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f=
[FairfieldLife] The Most Interesting Man in the World
Some say he found the fountain of youth, but he didn't drink because he was not thirsty. http://youtu.be/rlmwXolYH9A He lives vicariously - through himself. He can speak French - in Russian. When in Rome, they do as he does. He can tell insider jokes to perfect strangers. In a past life, he was himself. He is - the most interesting man in the world. http://youtu.be/rlmwXolYH9A http://youtu.be/rlmwXolYH9A
[FairfieldLife] Interesting/Not Interesting, or the mundane IS the spiritual
Since I can tell even from Message View that a couple of our resident attention vampires have reacted...uh...the way that attention vampires DO to my latest post, I shall expand upon it. This should be regarded as a form of compassion on my part, because it will give them something to obsess on and write about. This counts as compassion because it seems obvious that they don't seem to have anything *else* to write about, so I'm doing them a favor. :-) I have a new rule of thumb when surfing the Net. If it's interesting to me I read it, and if it's either very interesting or funny I may even reply. If it's not interesting to me, or if the poster has established a long history of being uninteresting, I rarely bother to even read it, and try to never reply. What you are seeing in the posts piling on to my reply to Obba, and in the post of hers I replied to, is how some people REACT to being told that they're uninteresting. I suggest that this reaction is childish, and embarrassing. Get a life, people. And get over your selves. If I or others have suggested that you're uninteresting, either find someone else to chat with who does find you interesting, or try to actually become more interesting. Whining makes you less interesting, not more. Below I shall list a few ways that you or others could write that would be more interesting *to me*. Since you seem to care so much about that, you can either use the list to try to actually become a little more interesting yourselves, or you can ignore it -- and me -- and then hope for the best. Either way, it would enable you to stop this pitiful WHINING act that you've adopted: Oh poor me...Barry won't focus on me and give me his undivided attention as I tell him over and over what I think is wrong with him. Oh, poor pitiful me...Barry won't compliment me or my writing the way I want him to. Oh poor, poor pitiful me...Barry won't argue with me, and give me the chance to get him or show him up in front of others, as I long to. BORING. Uninteresting. And kinda sad, especially for people who pose as spiritual seekers, with 20 to 40 years of sadhana under their belts. Here, just for fun, are a few things I find Not Interesting, and Interesting on Internet chat forums. Most won't even bother to read them, because they don't find *me* interesting enough to do so, and that is just FINE with me. I'm writing it for the few people who seem to obsess on me *when* I find them uninteresting, to explain to them WHY. NOT INTERESTING * Trying to emotionally blackmail someone into replying to them, claiming that the person will make them feel bad if they don't. Get a life, people. Three-year-old Maya is already starting to grow out of that behavior; isn't it about time you did? * When the above tactic fails, trying to insult or taunt the same person or persons into replying to you. That's dumb, and just puts you in the same ballpark as Willytex and Ravi. * Writers who get all caught up in the manic side of their bipolar mindset and write far more than they need to, as if the voice dictating it in their heads were either audible to others, or interesting to them. ( And yes, I may do that myself from time to time, but you can IGNORE it, and unlike the attention vampires, I won't complain at all if you do. :-) * People who talk, talk, talk about spiritual theory as if it were the same as spiritual experience. It isn't. * Folks who are trying to sell me something -- whether that they are right about something and I am wrong, or that their preferred spiritual teacher or holy book is better than mine. I am not in the market for what you are selling. Go away and try to sell it to someone who is. * Arguing just for the sake of arguing. There are some here who seem to only come alive when they have been able to taunt or goad someone into a protracted argument with them. I regard them, and the arguments themselves, as a waste of my time and am never likely to get involved with them. * People who respond favorably to flattery. I am just not likely to ever have a good conversation with anyone that weak-minded. * Using flattery or other tricks to try to build consensus or to form cliques. This behavior is usually followed by trying to *aim* the cliques at the people they don't like, and that's tacky. * People who act as if being serious were a virtue. INTERESTING * People who understand that the mundane IS the spiritual, and that a celebration of the mundane IS more spiritual than any dry discussion of theory or philosophy. There is IMO more spirituality in Curtis describing what it's like to play music for people on the street or in Marek describing what it's like to surf a good break than there is in any 100 discussions of spiritual theory. * Folks who seem to have a life. As opposed to those who don't, based on what they write. If they can only write about others, and never seem to be able to write about their own lives and what is happening in them, I for one have to assume that
[FairfieldLife] The Most Interesting Man on the Block
...I read an expose on the Dos Equis guy, the Most Interesting Man in the World. Actually, he's probably not. But here's the Most Interesting Man on the Block: http://mrhooperart.com/blog/?cat=3
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: AN INTERESTING TIDBIT OF INFORMATION
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[FairfieldLife] TM Website - Interesting content
http://www.zivotbezstresa.com/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Website - Interesting content
On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Edward wrote: http://www.zivotbezstresa.com/index.html I was surprised to see this, is it an official movement book? PLAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS 1 - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Excerpts from Maharishi's lectures. CONTENT: GURU DEV / DIPAVALI / THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF GURU DEV / SOMA / SOMA – 2 / THE FALL / THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TC AND BC / WHOLNESS / FROM GC TO UC / THE DIFFERENT PATHS / THE SIX SYSTEMS OF INDIAN PHILOSOPHY AND … / ABOUT KARMA / BEGINING AND DISSOLUTION OF CREATION / THE FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE OF RELIGION / CELESTIAL ANIMALS / THE FIVE TATTVAS AND THE PANCHA DEVATAS / CONTROL IS OPPOSED TO EVOLUTION / THE SILENT MIND / WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT? / THE NEW WOICE / BRAIN AND CONSCIOUSNESS / KNOWERS OF REALITY / BEACON LIGHT OF THE HIMALAYAS / THE LAWS OF NATURE SERVE US / KNOWLEDGE IS STRUCTURED IN CONSCIOUSNESS / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (1) / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (2) / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (3) / REGARDING THE ABSOLUTE BODY / REPLENISHING LIFE ENERGY AND REVITALIZING THE MIND / QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE / BEYOND BRAHMAN CONSCIOUSNESS (BC) / MAHARISHI’S VIEW ON VARIOUS AREAS OF LIFE / THE THREE KINDS OF BODIES / THE SEED OF KNOWLEDGE / THE INTELLIGENCE IN THE PROCESS OF DISSOLUTION / THE THREE KINDS OF BODIES (3) / WHO WAS YOUR HERO? / PASSAGE OF REBIRTH - 1 / PASSAGE OF REBIRTH - 2 / DEVATA / SHIVA AND THE LAST DESIRE AT THE TIME OD DEATH / THE CASTE SYSTEM / THE ANALYSIS OF AGNI / THE TRAGEDY OF KNOWLEDGE / SHUSHUMNA AND KUNDALINI / POLISHING COSMIC COUNSCIUSNESS / THE FIELD OF GRACE / THE ALLOTTED DUTY / THE LACKING INTELLIGENCE / INSTANT AND DELAYED KARMA / SAVE YOUR LIFE / WE DO NOT DEPRECIATE A NON-MEDITATOR / THE PERSONAL GODS / WHY DO WE SAY 'MAHARISHI’? / RAAM VS. RAVANA / THE PRINCIPLE OF THE GROWTH OF HEART / KARMA AND THE ABSOLUTE / THE COGNITION OF THE PROCESS OF MANIFESTATION / THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FLAG-RAISING CEREMONY / THE VICTOR ON VICTORY DAY / I NEVER THINK OF MYSELF / THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNWINDING OF STRESS / HOW TO SAFEGUARD THE PURITY OF THE TEACHING / THE RECLUSE WAY OF LIFE / KRISHNA / 226 pg., 12 x 20 cm, 20 euro
[FairfieldLife] Re: Papaji - Interesting fellow, do you know him ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Someone here has any experience with this fellow ? If so, what kind of experiences, has he moved you in any way ? Did he struck you as extraordinary ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOwPteS_Xgfeature=player_embedded In this line I had the great pleasure of meeting this marvelous Yogi, positivity incarnated, many times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00n_nNgtKTofeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Papaji - Interesting fellow, do you know him ?
First vid is Papaji, Teacher of many Neo-Advaitins (Gangaji, Cohen, Nick Arjuna Ardagh, others); who went around saying Give up all techniques and just Be.Nutcase if you ask me. ... Next vid is Sri Chinmoy, a teacher of Fred Lenz. I was formally accepted by Sri Chinmoy as one of his students (which isn't saying much - just part of my research). Another nutcase. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Someone here has any experience with this fellow ? If so, what kind of experiences, has he moved you in any way ? Did he struck you as extraordinary ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOwPteS_Xgfeature=player_embedded In this line I had the great pleasure of meeting this marvelous Yogi, positivity incarnated, many times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00n_nNgtKTofeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Important Interesting Documentaries, Docu Movies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ghanesh PV ghan...@... wrote: Dear All, These are couple of Documentaries and Docu movies I wish to share,This collection is related to following keywords : Brahmam Atmam Consciousness The nominative *and* accusative singular of 'brahman' is 'brahma' (brahma [nom.] was seen by me/I just saw brahma [acc.] in McDonalds.) The nominative singular of 'aatman' is 'aatmaa'; the accusative singular of 'aatman' is 'aatmaanam' (cf. English you/you, but he/him): (aatmaa [nom.] was seen by me/I just saw aatmaanam [acc.] in McDonalds.) Just for fun, I'll try to translate everything in the sentences in Sanskrit: brahma magdonaldsi* mayaa dRSTam. brahma magdonaldsi apashyam(?) aatmaa magdonaldsi mayaa dRSTaH. aatmaanaM magdonaldsi apashyam(?) * internal sandhi (k g before a voiced consonant)
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting statutory rape story
constitutional right to privacy by exempting him from child-pornography laws so that he can reclaim 269 lewd photos of himself, taken when he was a kid, but which his now-deceased father had hidden away in another country. In his petition, he said that his father approved of, but did not participate in, the photo sessions (some of which featured other children) and that Hogarth would like to keep the pictures as, basically, mementos of his childhood. This raises several questions in my mind. What exactly separates an ’infant’ from a ’child’. Can the phenomenon of human birth, because we are born without clothes, be considered pornographic? Is it not that ’lewdness’, ’eroticism’ and ’pornography’ are constructs by the observer, and not entirely intended by the content? Now let take the case of various laws that try to curb prostitution, drug use, piracy, homosexuality, pornography, hacking - that is - behavior deviant from the social norm. The classic sociological work on the nature of taboo and transgression is Kai T. Erikson’s Wayward Puritans: A Study in the Sociology of Deviance, which states: There are people in any society who appear to choose a deviant style exactly because it offends an important value of the group. This means that the legal furor and social anxiety we express about child pornography makes it more attractive and inviting to pedophiles. In fact, the true pedophile should be wary of hurting the children he seems to love and desire, until such a point that they grow up and lose the attractive quality for him. This essay analyses Erikson’s theory: ...deviant behavior manifests itself in perfect symmetry to social fears, lending a self-fulfilling prophetic quality to the community’s apprehensions. While we create elaborate arguments against kiddie porn, it is all around us. Fashion is obsessed with the ’waif’ look. Bollywood remix videos feature girls in short skirts, which are usually part of a school uniform. Japanese Manga comics depict child-like faces and bodies in extreme violence and copulation with futuristic machines. The Village Voice wrote about the increasing demand for models that look like little girls: The modern ideal has the face of a child, while her engorged red lips suggest readiness for penetration. Her boyish body heightens the illusion of the fuckable child. In some ways, the DPS incident is a direct result of videos like Kabhi Aar, Kabhi Paar featuring Deepal Shah in a school uniform. So should the video be banned or should we just accept our sexuality as a nation? I think we should do the latter, because banning something is just another form of advertising, far more seductive than any kind of liberty. Restricting any kind of information makes it all the more desirable. We are a specie seduced by secrets, by the unknown and the undiscovered, and not as is widely believed - the nude, the uncovered. What is already laid bare open has no allure for us. Nationwide Culture Shift What Rushdie may have meant when he said that the acceptance of pornography is vital to the freedom of a civilization is this - we have far more important things to worry about - like survival. It may be that more permissive societies have less need for porn, and certainly they don’t need to turn blue movies into icons of revolution or peace ... If the restrictions on ordinary social, romantic and sexual relations that [less permissive] societies impose were to wither away, the need for pornography would very likely diminish, too ... If Western pornography is a symptom of Western decadence, then Eastern pornography is a side-effect of Eastern repressions. Pornography is almost always an effect, or a dramatic symptom of some non-pornographic social malaise. It is almost never a cause. How come the Indian legislature, the judiciary, and the media spend so much time deliberating a small sex video, when there are millions living in stark poverty? What does child pornography mean in a country where millions of children are on the street and naked, playing at dirty cholera infested taps that bring forth no water? Our preoccupation with sexuality and sex is probably a huge hindrance in our efforts to reform the country. Pornography is a paradox. Though morally you disapprove of pornography, you may find yourself defending its right to exist. It’s at the cutting edge of technology, pushing the boundary of what’s possible. It’s also at the cutting edge of morality, pushing at the boundary of what’s permissible. What information do we have a right to? Who has a right to control its transport and use? Whether we like it or not, pornography has been and will be at the forefront of the debate. Times viewed:43028 interact read comments 27 --- On Tue, 10/27/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] An interesting statutory rape story Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:04 AM One of the reasons I
[FairfieldLife] Re: More interesting than the usual video posted here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/story/113 Cool... they're turning Heavenly Mountain into an eco-hippy development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More interesting than the usual video posted here
j_alexander_stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/story/113 Cool... they're turning Heavenly Mountain into an eco-hippy development. Definitely some good ideas there though I wonder how out-of-breathe they got walking up those stairs? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More interesting than the usual video posted here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/story/113 http://www2.wataugademocrat.com/story/113 Good idea. The best idea Kaplan has ever had (has he sold his massive carbon footprint private jet yet? .. or is this sustainability thing just business to him? ) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: 1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign. Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? Problem: they'd be chanting: Give us Girish! Give us Girish! Hee hee -- it never ends. I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual vampires that lives from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of ego and pride. Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, pride, laziness and new Age wishwash will be the big loosers in this (potential) drama. Have you ever visited MUM, Nabby? Sure, was on the first 7000 course when we came in from Greeze with Maharishi. Stayed 9 months. Plenty of hardcore americans there, to say that most of them running the place, including the Purusha-fellows were not very flexible people is an understatement. But they did manage to organise that huge course in a very short time - a great achievement. But already then one could see that Fairfield was attracting a lot of lazy hangers-on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
It's not those MUM students who'll be like the disenfranchised Iranians. Nah, it'll be the pundit children behind the barbed wire that arise as one. They'll have been a group mind for years, ya see? They can achieve instant solidarity if but one single passion is instilled in them. The MUM students are from many areas of life and can escape FF easily if conditions become intolerable, but those poor pundits, they're going to have a lot of choice: which issue to choose to protest will be from a long listand each will be a very strong reason to rebel since their ashramic handcuffing is so much more stern than that of the students. Now, there's are happy happy joy joy thought, eh? Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: 1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign. Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? Problem: they'd be chanting: Give us Girish! Give us Girish! Hee hee -- it never ends. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to express their outrage, I know that there is no real comparison between the recent events in Iran and the recent events at MUM. But I think it's interesting to draw a parallel anyway, because there is a TREND in both situations that I find interesting -- the rejection of authoritarian spirituality. In Iran, hundreds of thousands of -- and this is not to be dismissed -- *devout* Muslims are defying a direct order from the leader of their religion to stop protesting. They risk their very lives to do so, not to mention future repercussions that may be taken against them in the religion-led country. Call me weird, but I see this as encouraging and a positive thing. And I do *not* see it as a rejection of Islam or the religious beliefs of those who are essentially telling the leader of their religion to go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Their action is a rejection of *HIM* and his authoritarian intrusion into their day-to-day lives and their rights as both human beings and Muslims. He has overstepped his bounds, and the people of Iran are doing a Howard Beale (the mad prophet of the airwaves from Network, for the cinema-challenged) and shouting, We're mad as hell and we're not going to take this any more. And at MUM, as reported by TM-Free and reposted here recently, what is happening? A number of students have leaned out of their windows and shouted the same thing, challenging the overly authoritarian regime of *their* spiritual tradition. The students have chosen to dis- regard electronically-monitored rules established by the MUM Ayatollahs that required them to take part in daily meditations or TM-siddhi practice and Just said No. And what happened as a result? The MUM adminis- tration caved Big-Time, and removed the rules. *Their* attempts to overstep their bounds and intrude into the private lives of their students could not stand the light of day, and exposure to the press, and to outside scrutiny. Again, I do not see this as a rejection of TM per se or the TM-siddhis per se. For some of the students, forced to participate in a program they no longer believe in, it may well be. But I suspect that for the majority of them, it's a rejection of the *overstepping of bounds* by MUM administrators, and by the TM movement itself. They *have no right* to tell students that they *have* to meditate, and to place monitoring devices in place to insure that they do. They *have no right* to threaten to expel anyone who does not comply. And when these threats were brought into the public eye by a few stu- dents who refused to remain silent and just submit to these intrusions into their private lives any more, the MUM Ayatollahs tucked their tails between their legs and ran for cover, as all tyrants do when people stop taking them seriously. I hope the same thing happens in Iran. It is definitely a more dangerous situation for the protesters there. They could get their asses *shot* for Just saying No. But they could also succeed. It's a crapshoot. And if their protests *do* succeed, they won't have destroyed Islam and have become heretics; they will have IMO *saved* it from itself. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei *does not have the right* to dictate to human beings that they stop being human beings, and give up their rights to think for themselves and act as they choose to act. He *gave himself* those rights, and for years he has gotten away with imposing them on Muslims in Iran *because they let him*. They are no longer letting him. It will be interesting to see what will happen. And at MUM and in the TM movement, I think it will be equally interesting to see what happens in the future there as well. I don't see the rejection of a few TM administrators who have overstepped their bounds as the rejection of *all* the ideas of
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:24 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to express their outrage, I know that there is no real comparison between the recent events in Iran and the recent events at MUM. You're absolutely correct, Barry... the events in Iran are being carried out by people who actually know how to think. So much for the MUM protesters Barry was lionizing. Sorry, Barry. One of your droids didn't quite get the message. Looks like you need to run through your talking points again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to express their outrage, I know that there is no real comparison between the recent events in Iran and the recent events at MUM. Not that the TM defenders would be the folks likely to be outraged by such a comparison. It would, of course, be the Iranians and their defenders, because of how the comparison trivializes the situation in Iran. But I think it's interesting to draw a parallel anyway, because there is a TREND in both situations that I find interesting -- the rejection of authoritarian spirituality. Well, sorta kinda. The protests in Iran aren't about spirituality, authoritarian or otherwise; they're political. In Iran, hundreds of thousands of -- and this is not to be dismissed -- *devout* Muslims That would be millions, actually. are defying a direct order from the leader of their religion to stop protesting. They risk their very lives to do so, not to mention future repercussions that may be taken against them in the religion-led country. Call me weird, but I see this as encouraging and a positive thing. Who was it, exactly, you thought might call you weird? Just about everybody in the Western world sees it as encouraging and positive. And I do *not* see it as a rejection of Islam or the religious beliefs of those who are essentially telling the leader of their religion to go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Uh, this isn't much of an insight, actually. Nobody in the West with any knowledge of what's going on in Iran sees it as a rejection of Islam. snip And at MUM, as reported by TM-Free and reposted here recently, what is happening? A number of students have leaned out of their windows and shouted the same thing, challenging the overly authoritarian regime of *their* spiritual tradition. The students have chosen to dis- regard electronically-monitored rules established by the MUM Ayatollahs that required them to take part in daily meditations or TM-siddhi practice and Just said No. And what happened as a result? The MUM adminis- tration caved Big-Time, and removed the rules. *Their* attempts to overstep their bounds and intrude into the private lives of their students could not stand the light of day, and exposure to the press, and to outside scrutiny. For all we know, this had been in the works for awhile now. Obviously a lot of changes have been taking place in the movement since MMY's death. And good grief, get over yourself and stop overdramatizing. Light of day and exposure to the press and outside scrutiny didn't have anything to do with it. Again, I do not see this as a rejection of TM per se or the TM-siddhis per se. For some of the students, forced to participate in a program they no longer believe in, it may well be. But I suspect that for the majority of them, it's a rejection of the *overstepping of bounds* by MUM administrators, and by the TM movement itself. They *have no right* to tell students that they *have* to meditate, and to place monitoring devices in place to insure that they do. They *have no right* to threaten to expel anyone who does not comply. Actually they have a perfect right to do any of this. Don't confuse I don't think it's right for them to do this with They have no right to do this. And when these threats were brought into the public eye by a few stu- dents who refused to remain silent and just submit to these intrusions into their private lives any more Actually it wasn't a matter of the students speaking out, it was that they just stopped paying any attention. snip I hope the same thing happens in Iran. It is definitely a more dangerous situation for the protesters there. DUH They could get their asses *shot* for Just saying No. But they could also succeed. It's a crapshoot. And if their protests *do* succeed, they won't have destroyed Islam and have become heretics; DOUBLE DUH snip And at MUM and in the TM movement, I think it will be equally interesting to see what happens in the future there as well. I don't see the rejection of a few TM administrators who have overstepped their bounds as the rejection of *all* the ideas of Maharishi. Only the Bad Ones. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the parallel you're trying to draw, obvious though it may be; the problem is your wild overstatements and overheated rhetoric. You could have made your limited point a lot more coherently without them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: 1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign. Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? Problem: they'd be chanting: Give us Girish! Give us Girish! Hee hee -- it never ends. I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual vampires that lives from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of ego and pride. Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, pride, laziness and new Age wishwash will be the big loosers in this (potential) drama.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: 1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign. Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? Problem: they'd be chanting: Give us Girish! Give us Girish! Hee hee -- it never ends. I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual vampires that lives from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of ego and pride. Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, pride, laziness and new Age wishwash will be the big loosers in this (potential) drama. Have you ever visited MUM, Nabby?
[FairfieldLife] Here's some interesting documents for you Charlie Lutes fans...
Maricopa county's recorder's office lists all documents on the internet: http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/19940291903.pdf http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/19960659101.pdf http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20020451529.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman? Everyone called her Mataji. She is described in the Olsen Book, Hermit in the House. I met her just last month in India. She now is in her 80's, lives in Rishikesh and it turns out she was the first woman initiated by Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman? Everyone called her Mataji. She is described in the Olsen Book, Hermit in the House. I met her just last month in India. She now is in her 80's, lives in Rishikesh and it turns out she was the first woman initiated by Guru Dev. She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. He apparently was getting tired of that because when she ran out of grapes one day, he praised her up and down for thinking he might like variety when she offered him orange juice instead. awson
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. I always assumed that this is what the attractive young woman who came all the way from India to take care of Maharishi, cooking and cleaning for him, was really doing, attending to his grapes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman? Everyone called her Mataji. She is described in the Olsen Book, Hermit in the House. I met her just last month in India. She now is in her 80's, lives in Rishikesh and it turns out she was the first woman initiated by Guru Dev. She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. He apparently was getting tired of that because when she ran out of grapes one day, he praised her up and down for thinking he might like variety when she offered him orange juice instead. awson
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. I always assumed that this is what the attractive young woman who came all the way from India to take care of Maharishi, cooking and cleaning for him, was really doing, attending to his grapes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman? Everyone called her Mataji. She is described in the Olsen Book, Hermit in the House. I met her just last month in India. She now is in her 80's, lives in Rishikesh and it turns out she was the first woman initiated by Guru Dev. She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. He apparently was getting tired of that because when she ran out of grapes one day, he praised her up and down for thinking he might like variety when she offered him orange juice instead. That's a cool story. I love personal Maharishi stories from devotees, they're always charming and uplifting to my heart. I could tell a few myself. Tell us about your trip to India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting meeting in 1959
better her than you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. I always assumed that this is what the attractive young woman who came all the way from India to take care of Maharishi, cooking and cleaning for him, was really doing, attending to his grapes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I recognize Charlie and Maharishi. I'm guessing the woman on the left is Charlie's wife. Who is the Indian woman? Everyone called her Mataji. She is described in the Olsen Book, Hermit in the House. I met her just last month in India. She now is in her 80's, lives in Rishikesh and it turns out she was the first woman initiated by Guru Dev. She used to hand-crush grapes for MMY if its the same woman. He apparently was getting tired of that because when she ran out of grapes one day, he praised her up and down for thinking he might like variety when she offered him orange juice instead. awson
[FairfieldLife] Garrison Keillor interesting story. From his hometown~ Minn St Paul..
Mr. McCain has decided to run as a former POW and a maverick, a maverick's maverick, rather than Mr. Bush's best friend, and that's understandable, but how can he not address the $3 trillion that got burned up in Iraq so far? It's real money, it could've paid for a lot of windmills, a high-speed rail line in Ohio, some serious RD. The Chinese, who have avoided foreign wars for 50 years, are taking enormous leaps forward, investing in their economy, and we are falling behind. We're wasting our chances. The Republican culture of corruption in Washington hasn't helped. And a former mayor of a town of 7,000 who hired a lobbyist to get $26 million in federal earmarks is now running against the old-boy network in Washington who gave her that money to build the teen rec center and other good things so she could keep taxes low in Wasilla. Stunning. And if you question her qualifications to be the leader of the free world, you are an elitist. This is a beautiful maneuver. I wish I had thought of it back in school when I was forced to subject myself to a final exam in higher algebra. I could have told Miss Mortenson, I am a Christian and when you gave me a D, you only showed your contempt for the Lord and for the godly hardworking people from whom I have sprung, you elitist battle ax you. In school, you couldn't get away with that garbage because the taxpayers know that if we don't uphold scholastic standards, we will wind up driving on badly designed bridges and go in for a tonsillectomy and come out missing our left lung, so we flunk the losers lest they gain power and hurt us, but in politics we bring forth phonies and love them to death. I must say, it was fun having the Republicans in St. Paul and to see it all up close and firsthand. Security was, as one might expect, thin-lipped and gimlet-eyed, but once you got through it, you found the folks you went to high school with -- farm kids, jocks, the townies who ran the student council, the cheerleaders, some of the bullies -- and they are as cohesive now as they were back then, dedicated to school spirit, intolerant of outsiders, able to jump up and down and holler for something they don't actually believe. But oh Lord, what they brought forth this year. When you check the actuarial tables on a 72-year-old guy who's had three bouts with cancer, you guess you may be looking at the first woman president, a hustling Evangelical with ethics issues and a chip on her shoulder who, not counting Canada, has set foot outside the country once -- a trip to Germany, Iraq and Kuwait in 2007 to visit Alaskans in the armed service. And who listed a refueling stop in Ireland as a fourth country visited. She's like the Current Occupant but with big hair. If you want inexperience, there were better choices. (Garrison Keillor's A Prairie Home Companion can be heard Saturday nights on public radio stations across the country.) C 2008 by Garrison Keillor. All rights reserved. Distributed by Tribune Media Services, Inc.
[FairfieldLife] Two more interesting movies
Two more flicks to add to your Netflix queue, if the mini-reviews below appeal to you. I saw the first last night, and it reminded me a little of the second, which came out last year. The connec- tion is that both films have to do with the after- math of an auto accident, and how that accident affects the lives of one of the passengers for the rest of his life. The first was, like In Bruges, shown at the most recent Sundance Film Festival. It's called Quid Pro Quo, and I liked it a LOT. Do NOT be put off by the subject matter; that's just local color for a good, old-fashioned mystery, one that opens up into not only revelation, but self- revelation. It's even got a pair of magical shoes that perform miracles. The two actors who basically eat the screen with fine performances are Nick Stahl and Vera Farmiga. Stahl plays playing a public radio reporter/speaker who is semi-paralyzed; the accident in his youth that killed his parents left him in a wheelchair. He gets a tip from an anonymous woman that at a local hospital, a man recently walked in and tried to bribe one of the residents to amputate his leg. Following up on it, he finds that not only is it true, but that there is a subculture out there that *envies* those in wheelchairs, and wants to become like them. They call themselves wannabees, and have been known to cripple themselves or have others do it for them so that they can live their inner selves in the wheelchairs they have dreamed of being confined to for so long. His investigation leads him to a mysterious and beautiful young woman, played by Vera Farmiga in a performance that is going to get her a LOT of work in the future. She's tremendous -- innocent, sexy, conflicted, and at every turn of the plot the person who leads Stahl's character deeper and deeper into his investigation of why on earth someone would *want* to be confined to a wheelchair. It's a great flick, by a first-time writer/director, someone who IMO is To Be Watched. Highly recommended. The other accident-related film is called The Lookout, and stars Joseph Gordon-Levitt (Tommy from Third Rock from the Sun) as a guy whose auto accident left him with impaired ability to form and hold memories. Like the character in Memento, he cannot form short-term memories; if he wants to remember anything, he has to write it down for future reference. This even applies to the babe who picks him up in a local bar and sleeps with him. She introduces him to friends who are very interested in the fact that he works as a janitor in a bank. Duh. They take advantage of his impairment to sucker him into being the lookout as they rob the bank. Belatedly, Gordon-Levitt's character, with the help of his blind best friend (well played by Jeff Daniels) figures out what is going on and tries to extricate himself from the situation. Also highly recommended; Gordon-Levitt has turned into a finer actor than was hinted at in Third Rock. Enjoy...
[FairfieldLife] A really interesting question for the New Year
The Edge Annual Question 2008 When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy. When God changes your mind, that's faith. When facts change your mind, that's science. WHAT HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT? WHY? Science is based on evidence. What happens when the data change? How have scientific findings or arguments changed your mind? 164 contributors; 111,530 words http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_index.html I hope others will join in with their own. I'll start: This year I decided to explore if a version of meditation has a place in my life based on the research described by Jon Kabat-Zinn. I was pretty resistant to the idea because of a been there done that attitude. I also attribute assistance in thinking about meditation in a fresh way to many contributors by FFL posters. Although I have a pretty entrenched opinion about MMY's perspective on the whole thing, I realize that his POV is not the only option, and that secular research is possible. So far it is still a dilettante's interest, but it is a change of mind for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting way of dealing with criticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The different ways that people deal with those who are critical of their beliefs or what they have to say has been a topic of discussion before on this forum. Here's an interesting way. It's from a recent interview with Michael Moore: Interviewer: In the film, you mention anonymously helping the man who runs the biggest anti-Michael Moore Web site to pay some medical bills. Now that your assistance is no longer anonymous, have you had any further contact with him? MM: Yes, I called him before the first time we screened it at the film festival in Cannes and told him it was me. I didn't want him to be surprised by it. Int: And what did he say? MM: He was very grateful and thanked me and wished the film well. Int: And then said, I'm still going to talk smack about you on my Web site tomorrow? MM: Ha. Well, he might. That's my point. His freedom of speech shouldn't be taken away just because he can't afford health insurance. The entire interview is at: http://movies.aol.com/celebrity-interview/michael-moore-sicko I like Michael Moore too. So you are saying that anyone who criticizes anyone here is trying to take away their freedom of speech!? If not, what *are* you saying? cuz you run a whole herd of straw dogs at any given time here, any one of which could be taken as criticism of someone else.:-)
[FairfieldLife] KT: some interesting suutras
A couple of YS's are interesting from a linguistic POV. Some of those are, IMO, II 47 sthira-sukham aasanam. and II 48 prayatna-shaithilyaananta-samaapattibhyaam. 47 is usually translated to something like Posture (should be) steady and comfortable (Taimni). The original suutra, of course, doesn't contain anything to suggest should be. Word-for-word it's simply steady-comfortable posture (or stuff). 48 seems somewhat elliptic, even for a suutra. Seems rather rare, that a suutra consist merely of the, we guess, ablative dual form of a dvandva compound, whose components in turn seem to consist of tat-puruSa compounds (prayatna-shaithilya, ananta-samaapatti) - especially when a connector(?), usually 'ca' or 'vaa' is lacking. Why are we *guessing*, that the inflectional case is *ablative* dual? Well, in Sanskrit dual inflection instrumental, dative and ablative cases are identical in form, ending with -bhyaam. So, it depends on the context which one of those cases is in question (...aaarrgghh). What gives? Well, if we combine those two suutras, the result is a typical suutra where the cause, or whatever, of the topic is given in the ablative case. Voilaarilaarilaa! Thus, it would seem that for some reason Patañjali has divided a suutra that would make rather perfect sense without being divided: sthira-sukham aasanaM prayatna-shaithilyaananta-samaapattibhyaam, which might be translated for instance to: Posture (becomes) steady and comfortable by relaxation of effort and meditation on the Endless (applying Taimni's translation for 'ananta-samaapatti'). -- But of course we might be all wrong with that... (Now it's time to go see, whether Benefon Inc has finally gone bankrupt...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remembering the story of Trotaka earlier, I was searching for other versions of the story, and stumbled onto this: http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=297emne=Maharishi%20Mahesh%20Yogi I'm not exactly sure what it is. It appears to be a long article (and I do mean long...whoever wrote it makes me look short-winded) on a Danish talk forum called Dialogcentret. It's also one of the loveliest pieces of writing I've ever seen on the Holy Tradition and the teachings of Guru Dev and Maharishi. From the True Believer perspective, but without a trace of the True Believer 'tude. I found myself thoroughly charmed by it, and have nothing but praise for the article itself and its anonymous author. Holy shit. This is *the* Holy Tradition booklet, isn't it? I no longer have one, and probably last read it 20 years ago. Still well done, and still states the case well, and without any of the lesser language that has crept into movement publications since. If Maharishi wrote it, my praise for its author stands. The Website above must be a kind of Danish non-denominational TM-Free. There are other links on the site that point to the Declar- ation of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi document and a list of the TM mantras. But I thank them for the opportunity to read this again. Oh, that the spirit that pervades it were still the spirit of the TM movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Remembering the story of Trotaka earlier, I was searching for other versions of the story, and stumbled onto this: http://www.dci.dk/?artikel=297emne=Maharishi%20Mahesh%20Yogi I'm not exactly sure what it is. It appears to be a long article (and I do mean long...whoever wrote it makes me look short-winded) on a Danish talk forum called Dialogcentret. It's also one of the loveliest pieces of writing I've ever seen on the Holy Tradition and the teachings of Guru Dev and Maharishi. From the True Believer perspective, but without a trace of the True Believer 'tude. I found myself thoroughly charmed by it, and have nothing but praise for the article itself and its anonymous author. Holy shit. This is *the* Holy Tradition booklet, isn't it? Yup. Also available on Trancenet. This is the part that strikes me as most interesting: From my own experience, I know that there were hundreds of very learned and capable disciples of GURU DEV, yet the task of spiritually regenerating mankind fell to one who was like TROTAKACHARYA, as distinct from the intellectual giants who surrounded the Master. This does not detract from the recognition and appreciation of those of more highly developed intellect since it is they who are more capable of comprehending and evaluating the philosophy and really enjoying the creative application of the whole philosophy in practical life. What is meant here is that, even those who are not so highly developed intellectually, can innocently become as tools in the hands of the divine, to work out His plan. And this seems to be the case in the tradition of JYOTIR MATH - not much learning is needed: just innocent surrender to the master. This gives us the key to success - we have simple sincere feelings, devotion, a sense of service - and wisdom dawns. Seems to me MMY is presenting Trotaka not just as a model for himself, but also for all TM teachers, to forestall any concerns they may have about their ability to teach successfully if they don't happen to be intellectual giants. There's also this version of the Trotaka story, written by one R.B. Ramakrishna Rao, who has no connection to TM or MMY: How at Shringeri during his stay Shankara showered his blessings on a disciple called Giri is very interesting. The co- students used to look down upon Girl thinking that Vedanta for him was a hard nut to crack. Once Shankara at the time of his lecture said, Let us wait for Giri. The other pupils said, Why should we wait for him, Sir? A wall is much better than that dullard. Shankara felt pained when such a student as was devoted to the service of his master was jeered at. What do you know about his nature and spiritual achievements? His ability will reveal itself shortly, said the Master. Isn't it enough if Master knows my merit? Should it be made known to others also? Let me not have such conceit - so Giri used to feel within himself and was serving his master silently. On that day as usual he came late and did obeisance to Acharya. Acharya said with a smile, Look Giri, We want you to give a discourse on the Self and its nature. We have been waiting for you. It was the master's command as well as blessing. The so-called dullard Giri, in a very modest way and full of devotion expressed in his eyes, presented the very gist of Vedanta in Trotaka Vritta, a highly complicated metrical form, but very enlighteningly as if he was making with all reverence as offering to the Master. The other students felt ashamed of their folly. They apologised to both Acharya and Giri. Shankara, thus revealing the literary ability latent in Giri, called him Trotakacharya to make this incident remembered for a long time. http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/life_of_shankara.htm (Why this is on a site devoted to Celtic guitar music, I have no idea!) It doesn't mention the other disciples falling on their knees, but that they're said to have felt ashamed of their folly and apologized to Trotaka looks to me to be pretty much the same idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very interesting article on The Holy Tradition found on the Web
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Website above must be a kind of Danish non-denominational TM-Free. http://www.dci.dk/en/ It's non-denominational, but it *is* a Christian site with the typical dualistic God is separate and eternity begins after death perspective.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://arunachalagrace.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-interesting.html by way of http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2006/09/nondualarunachala.html Those who perpetuate the belief that ego transformation is enlightenment do spiritual culture a disservice. Additionally, the reverence and respect accorded enlightened beings is also undeserved because enlightenment is nothing other than a re-discovery of something that was already known. When I wake up I don't become somebody else, I simply trade the idea of myself as a dreamer for the idea of myself as a waker. In fact, the waker and the dreamer are the same person, but seem to be separate entities because of their association with the state of consciousness in which they find themselves at the moment. It is fashionable these days for society to congratulate formerly fat people who returned to their normal size. But rather than offer them respect, shouldn't they be castigated for getting fat in the first place? Touting one's Enlightenment only calls attention to a lengthy and embarrassing stay in ignorance. LOL. Yeah, punish people verbally for daring to get better. What does he/she advocate for the person who has NOT been able to get thin thus far? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Harsha's homepage - interesting!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: An Interesting Music Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if you're a Prairie Home Companion fan but I saw the film yesterday afternoon (Robert Altman directed) and really enjoyed it. I think it will be a bigger hit on DVD. The Harrelson and Reilly Bad Jokes song is a riot. http://www.aprairiehomecompanionmovie.com/ I can't wait. But sadly, I'll have to. Maybe it will come to Montpellier. But barring that, I'll have to wait for the video or search the Torrent wasteland. I love Garrison Keillor. Marvellous storyteller/ bard. I've only seen one better in my life, Robin Williamson, originally of the Incredible String Band. TurquoiseB wrote: Ever wondered what it costs to produce a modern music video? Ever wondered where else that money could have gone? Here's one where it did: http://worldonfire.ca/ Sarah McLachlan -- World On Fire Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Interesting Music Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Garrison Keillor. Marvellous storyteller/ bard. I've only seen one better in my life, Robin Williamson, originally of the Incredible String Band. I don't know whether Robin's work is on iTunes or any of the other online music sources, but if it is, you might search for Finn and the Old Man's House, from an album called Wheel Of Fortune, by John Renbourne and Robin Williamson. It's a fairly short tale, only 8 minutes long. I've seen Robin stretch a story out for an hour, with not a glimmer of boredom in the audience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Urdhvareta: some interesting Muktananda quotes
Celibacy is essential for one who claims to be a Guru. Shakti can be transmitted only by a celibate. One who is wasting his semen cannot transmit ShaktiA guru is urdhvareta. The flow of his semen is directed upwards. Even when he is in the midst of young beautiful girls his semen does not start flowing downwards. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 197 The fluids of men and women are different. In our scriptures man's fluid is called virya. There is a different word for woman's fluid and that is raja virya. But the process of the upward movement of virya or raja virya is the same in man or woman, though the fluid may be different. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 237 The reason I insist on celibacy in the Ashram is so that you will have enough seminal fluid in your body to be able to bear the heat of meditation. I ask good meditators to drink milk and take other foods that generate more semen for the same reason. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 69 ...after one becomes an urdhvareta, an inner kriya takes place, the name of which is vajroli, and the seminal fluid which was previously flowing downwards and being ejected outwards, now rises to the sahasrar. Then even if such a one is with women, his seminal fluid does not flow downwards. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 334 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] After Maharishi -- interesting question from a press conference
Sent to me by a couple of people: Here's a very interesting question and answer from Maharishi. The reporter asks a question I'd be reluctant to ask myself but I am interested in the answer. Question: Maharishi, so many guruspeople like yourselfhave given so much thought to the direction of the world and have tried to lead great numbers of people in their direction. But by the very nature of their personalities and their own thinking, one has to wonder what happens to their Movements when they¹re no longer around. Would you like to speculate on what will happen to the ideas of the Maharishi whenever the day comes when he¹s not here to give us his own personal thoughts? Question from Arthur Max, Associated Press reporter who was here in Vlodrop for this press conference. Maharishi: Doesn¹t matter. There is a phrase; Man is the master of his own destiny. So the destiny of every man doesn¹t depend on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is the master of his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes on the lighted way, he¹ll get to the target, he¹ll get to the goal of the way, those who don¹t, they don¹t, that¹s all. Man has a choice. Education is so very limited today. Whether this generation understands the words of Maharishi or not. Those who will understand will be better off, they¹ll be the master of their own destiny. Others will remain slaves of circumstances and situations, doesn¹t matter. Maharishi¹s message does not remain limited to his physical body. This is the message that was there before the body of Maharishi, and it will remain there when the body of Maharishi will not come up. So these are waste of thoughts, no? This is from the February 1st '06 Press Conference Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting experience with a MAPI product
I am wondering why TM teachers since they like doing the puja so much don't do it more often just for themselves? Just for the fun of it? I think Ben said that doing the puja reminded him of the great feeling of the holy Tradition last time he did it, so why not do it more? In fact, one could doo the puja on behalf of others as a service regardless of whether they are bestowing something concrete on them or not. Ie., I do this puja just to make the coonnection with so and so for their wellbeing, and so on... Just another thought. I understand the Holy Tradition is now charging a fee for invocations; either 10,000 rupees per head per puja, or a fixed monthly fee of 1,000,000 rupees with unlimited invocation minutes. Roaming charges apply to the western hemisphere. Recerts get a 20% discount. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
