[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
(Curtis, see below the ad.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So Buck used my name in his subtle satire because he really is aligned with my POV? He is really saying, I wish Curtis would post more critical things about the movement and meditation because he is right on and I too think that Maharishi oversold his technique? Er, no. He's mocking those who would treat apostates harshly. But you always know which is which, unlike those anti- whateverers who need broad burlesque? No, every so often I'm not sure what he's getting at. But I never used the term anti-anything. Where did you get that from? So what was Doug trying to convey about me in that post? If the target of his satire was the movement's repression, why was I included in the rant about the movement? What subtle message did you get that I missed? Boy, sometimes I wonder about you, Curtis. You're one of the people on FFL whom the movement's repressive faction would like to repress if they could. But being against repression doesn't necessarily mean one agrees with the views of its targets. Other than movement people saying inaccurate things about me I have experienced zero movement repression. No lawsuits, no intimidation. Right. Did you see my words if they could? If so, why are you coming out with this non sequitur? snip Could you really not figure that out for yourself? This has not advanced my understanding of what Buck is up to. You still don't understand that what he's mocking is the would-be repressers, citing you as an example of whom they'd repress if they could? Look back at your huge straw man at the top, please. There is a lot of passive aggressive stuff in his posts meant to invoke the reaction it does. Sure. So? It is an old trick they use in NLP. Some people would consider Buck a complete asshole who is hiding behind a confusing humor schtick to take a swipe at people who don't share his beliefs, while hiding behind the facade of humor. Isn't that funny what those other people might think about him? I don't know whom you're quoting here. I'm pretty sure you haven't completely forgotten all the swipes he's taken in the past at the TM suits--or the TM robes, I guess--for keeping those not 100 percent on the program out of the domes, right? This is another such swipe, only he's cast it in the form of satire (or maybe role-playing is a clearer term). He's voicing what he believes the TM robes are thinking (if not saying aloud to each other). And he's going just far enough overboard with it (bringing up the death penalty, e.g.) that it *should* have clued everyone in that he wasn't advocating such repression himself (although everybody who's read his past posts should have realized that anyway). That doesn't mean he loves your critiques. As I noted, one can be against repression without agreeing with the repressee. (See ACLU and the KKK in Cicero, for example; or I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Not that Buck is being quite that selfless, but what he wrote is in the same general category.)
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. I think you should view it as what it was -- the reaction of one long-term practitioner of TM and its related programs to a post (mine) praising another long-term practitioner of TM for her portrayal of enlightenment in a TV series as not that much different than manic depression. Can't have that. Must preserve the dogma that enlightenment is real and all good. Anything else is apostasy, and must be shunned or banned, since our society doesn't allow us to punish it the way it should be punished, by execution. That's my take on Buck's post, anyway.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Ah, Barry's up really early. But he's convinced Buck is dead serious. What did I just now tell you, Ravi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. Here's the relevant quote, referring to me and raunchy: Dumb angry cunts too stupid to live. It's interesting how Barry always cites the spontaneous combustion thing rather than the above line. Almost as if he were embarrassed by it. And why was he so enraged at us? Because we had criticized Obama during the primaries. Oh, and just a reminder: When I mentioned death threats aimed at women on FFL, in passing, parenthetically, without using his name or quoting him, Barry *instantly* knew what I was referring to. Nobody else did. And he proceeded to make a *huge* fuss. Talk about guilty conscience... He's been trying to live it down ever since. Kinda puts paid to the notion he promotes here constantly that he doesn't care what anybody thinks of him and feels no need to defend himself, don't it? The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF Good advice :-)
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I agree. As schtick, I guess one could appreciate it, as some did with Andy Kaufman's schtick. As some others here have opined, I don't quite get its intent. Is it intended that we should feel empathy for the people Buck meets who really think like this, or that we should dislike them? Do his attacks on non- meditators and apostates reveal what he (or part of him) really thinks of them, or is it him just channeling people he meets around town who do think this of them? I think the issue is -- as it was with Andy -- whether the schtick is actually funny or not. Many of Andy's gags *weren't* funny. In fact, they were downright mean. And they were reacted to in kind, *because he said them*, not because of the schtick he had in mind when he said them. Those female wrestlers really wanted to kick his ass. And they did; according to what I was told he was in pain for a week following that stunt.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Couple of corrections in code pink: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Whew! Judy to the rescue! Oh man. I thought I had to hide the Holy Science book someone gave me a copy of years ago. Really, it was hidden under a stack of Jehovah witness pamphlets and I forgot about it. Oh, I also found the book of a really good astrologer who lives in Fairfield, but just pretend I gave it away to Good Will. One Deepak book too. Do Deepa Metha movies count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBFUCj4IFOY I mean, she was married to Paul Saltzman? Right? A couple of his pictures, I have of his, well, on screen saver, shh. A few pictures of the Bealtes when they were in and out of the movement, but now that they are back, I think those are okay, right? These things are all over the floor in my burst of panic! All because of a joke. Ah hah! Hahahahahaha. I had disconnected my electric frequency sensors to check the digital phone taps and seal the duct tape over the camera on the puter, disconnect the face recognition and microphone, reset the modem, lock the doors, but the list of names thing, REALLY freaked me out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQi4CAzmrA Guys showing up in 1970's polyester suits with up to date organic pastel undergarments (how do I know? Don't ask.) and T-T-Ties! (1981- Polyester/cotton blend suits)(See above.) DL (David Lynch) standing in the background in a black shirt and black pants (organic pastel undergarments? I don't know.) with his arms crossed, his hair in a twizzle (much more than usual), and Nabby with antennas on his head. Robert Roth http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Alfred-E-Neuman-Statue-Warner-E-C-Comics-MA\ D-MAGAZINE-COVER-GUY-LOOK-/110754055486?pt=US_Comic_Magazineshash=item1\ 9c974c53e#ht_720wt_932 (Bobby Roth looks more like Alfred E. Newman. ) giving me that Phantom of the Opera grin (hey someone on this board posted his picture, not me.) All with a bunch of papers to sign or I would never ever be allowed, never, back into the domes and no more using this message board unless I use a Facebook account with all provided and required security questions, and no pseudonym. Rick could make a lot of money giving names! LOL. NOT! Please don't! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Hi Nabs, well...it points in the right direction, but to take it as advice, I don't think so... The challenge we all have is to live life at its fullest; spiritual liberation. One thing I have found is that liberation doesn't come about because we shun other events and people from our awareness. There are no conditional statements we can make with our minds that will bring about liberation. Liberation isn't conditional on anything, even shunning someone who is continually tossing doubt and skepticism on our path. This idea of apostates is silly (with all due respect Buck). There are two sides to liberation. One is always recognizing what is helpful to us and others. The other side is being willing to surrender to that which we are not attracted to, inside and out. Not in any compulsive way, but just by having the attention rest on it briefly. Then it is seen for what it is, both the shunned object, and the reaction within us to the shunned object. What I have found over time, is that any external person, thing, or action I used to consider an absolute impediment to my inner peace and silence, is no longer that. Like the BG says, can't burn it or wash it away, or slam the door in its face; silence and peace always continue to grow. So the only conclusion I can reach is that anyone who disrupts my silence is acting as an innocent mechanism to indicate a weakness within me. If it wasn't so, then such a person, or event, or thought would always and absolutely disrupt my inner silence and peace. But once silence is predominating, nothing is able to disturb it, and that means that there is nothing external which is truly an enemy of silence. No one, no thing, no event, no thought. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF Good advice :-)
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I think the reason some people can't tell is that he shifts back and forth, and they don't know when he's being satirical and when he's being serious. Plus which, his style of satire is fairly subtle, and many people here don't recognize satire unless it's broad, more like burlesque. And of course the TM critics here are prone to see the posts of committed TMers in the most negative light possible; they have almost no room even to give benefit of the doubt. They simply don't *remember* his serious posts, which can be deeply humane and/or sharply critical of the kind of pinched TB thinking he mocks in his satirical posts. The humanity and criticism don't fit their preconceptions, so those traits go right down the memory hole. It's certainly not a *snap* to figure out where he's coming from; he doesn't make it easy. He seems to get off on ambiguity, which confuses the hell out of some people. But if one has been paying attention, over time one begins to get a sense of how he rolls. I may have been too hard on Ravi; he may not have been around here long enough to get the Buck gestalt. But as I told Ravi, he has such a weird sense of humor himself, I thought he might have more insight than some others here. In any case, having seen that folks didn't get his first post, Buck took pity on them and made another one-- about the Apostate Spreadsheet--that was a lot more obviously satirical. And at least one person *still* didn't get it. These kneejerk reactions must amuse Buck/Doug no end. They're the mirror image of the thinking of the very people he satirizes. Intolerance and paranoia are by no means the sole province of the purported cultists.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I agree. As schtick, I guess one could appreciate it, as some did with Andy Kaufman's schtick. As some others here have opined, I don't quite get its intent. The confusing part is that he will stay in character and give a positive review on some healer coming through FF. I'm inclined to believe that since he never shows up for real discussion out of character, this foil is a way to say unpleasant things that would get challenged and not be accountable. He really wishes we didn't post our views here. But owning that POV would cause blowback. So he does it in a character as a buffer. The added extreme like putting people to death throws off the scent, the stink, the stench of genuine intolerance. The inability to ever show up in a genuine way pretty much shuts off the kind of communication I enjoy. Is it intended that we should feel empathy for the people Buck meets who really think like this, or that we should dislike them? Do his attacks on non- meditators and apostates reveal what he (or part of him) really thinks of them, or is it him just channeling people he meets around town who do think this of them? I think the issue is -- as it was with Andy -- whether the schtick is actually funny or not. Many of Andy's gags *weren't* funny. In fact, they were downright mean. And they were reacted to in kind, *because he said them*, not because of the schtick he had in mind when he said them. Those female wrestlers really wanted to kick his ass. And they did; according to what I was told he was in pain for a week following that stunt.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
So Buck used my name in his subtle satire because he really is aligned with my POV? He is really saying, I wish Curtis would post more critical things about the movement and meditation because he is right on and I too think that Maharishi oversold his technique? But you always know which is which, unlike those anti-whateverers who need broad burlesque? So what was Doug trying to convey about me in that post? If the target of his satire was the movement's repression, why was I included in the rant about the movement? What subtle message did you get that I missed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. I think the reason that people don't know if Buck is serious or not is that this unfunny shtick of his is his permanent persona on FFL. I think the reason some people can't tell is that he shifts back and forth, and they don't know when he's being satirical and when he's being serious. Plus which, his style of satire is fairly subtle, and many people here don't recognize satire unless it's broad, more like burlesque. And of course the TM critics here are prone to see the posts of committed TMers in the most negative light possible; they have almost no room even to give benefit of the doubt. They simply don't *remember* his serious posts, which can be deeply humane and/or sharply critical of the kind of pinched TB thinking he mocks in his satirical posts. The humanity and criticism don't fit their preconceptions, so those traits go right down the memory hole. It's certainly not a *snap* to figure out where he's coming from; he doesn't make it easy. He seems to get off on ambiguity, which confuses the hell out of some people. But if one has been paying attention, over time one begins to get a sense of how he rolls. I may have been too hard on Ravi; he may not have been around here long enough to get the Buck gestalt. But as I told Ravi, he has such a weird sense of humor himself, I thought he might have more insight than some others here. In any case, having seen that folks didn't get his first post, Buck took pity on them and made another one-- about the Apostate Spreadsheet--that was a lot more obviously satirical. And at least one person *still* didn't get it. These kneejerk reactions must amuse Buck/Doug no end. They're the mirror image of the thinking of the very people he satirizes. Intolerance and paranoia are by no means the sole province of the purported cultists.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Thanks for the explanation Judy, like Alex said he always came across as a serious guy - I may be wrong - hopefully he can clarify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? He's role playing, pretending to be intolerant and paranoid (like the TMO bigwigs). Did you see his follow-up post about categorizing the different types of apostates and putting them into a spreadsheet? That one's a little more obvious. I think he felt he needed to post it because everybody seemed to think this first one was serious. It's not knee-slapper funny, it's subtly exaggerated, just over the edge. He has a weird sense of humor, and so do you, so I was surprised you didn't catch on. Hopefully when Barry tunes in tomorrow, he'll see this one, fall for it, and deliver one of his outraged rants. That'll be fun. He tends to miss satire if it isn't really broad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Looks like Buck may have bucked the trend and was just joking, we will see.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Yep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Ah, Barry's up really early. But he's convinced Buck is dead serious. What did I just now tell you, Ravi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? It's simple, Ravi. Buck justifying censorship, shunning, banning, and even the death penalty for apostates is in her eyes funny. Whereas someone suggesting that Judy regularly gets so angry that she is in danger of bursting into flame and spontaneously combusting is not only not funny, it's in her mind a death threat. Here's the relevant quote, referring to me and raunchy: Dumb angry cunts too stupid to live. It's interesting how Barry always cites the spontaneous combustion thing rather than the above line. Almost as if he were embarrassed by it. And why was he so enraged at us? Because we had criticized Obama during the primaries. Oh, and just a reminder: When I mentioned death threats aimed at women on FFL, in passing, parenthetically, without using his name or quoting him, Barry *instantly* knew what I was referring to. Nobody else did. And he proceeded to make a *huge* fuss. Talk about guilty conscience... He's been trying to live it down ever since. Kinda puts paid to the notion he promotes here constantly that he doesn't care what anybody thinks of him and feels no need to defend himself, don't it? The problem is clearly with YOUR sensa yooma, Ravi, not hers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for your reply, wayback. Those are exactly the kinds of questions this series brings up for me. I have no simple answers to them, but I think they're viable questions. As you so correctly put it, the only reason that people in TM or other spiritual communities put up with some of the bizarre behavior around them is that they've been trained to see it as something good happen- ing. But what if it's not something good, but an outbreak of something far more serious? Would anyone notice, or would their tolerance of odd behavior allow someone who is *truly* suffering from manic depressive disorder to dig themselves into a hole from which they may never be able to emerge? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still pondering the new HBO series Enlightened, I am struck by how good Laura Dern's performance in it was. I am also struck by how much fodder it may produce for discussion here on FFL, if people treat it as the opportunity for intelligent discussion it is. Laura Dern is, after all, a talented actress; she has been nominated for an Oscar, and was often arguably the only redeeming factor in any number of David Lynch films. She's also a multi-year TMer, and thus probably familiar with the phenomenon of someone having -- or merely claiming to have had -- a realization or enlightenment experience. So her performance is nuanced and real. My take is that in the TMO and probably other such groups, there is a lot more tolerance for odd, unproductive behavior among members of the group. While they have their own rules, in some ways they give a lot of leeway to people when they assume they are going thru some process of evolving. Rather than saying someone needs to get some meds, they might prefer to assume that the person is unstressing or working out some sort of past karma (an idea I find particularly annoying). More important, she's been given dialogue by writers who seem to understand that from an objective bystander's point of view, there is often very little difference between a person claiming to be enlightened and a person suffering from full-on manic depression. In their manic phases, both are completely convinced of the validity of their subjective experiences, and often equally con- vinced that others around them should see them the way that they see themselves. Those others...uh...not so much; for them, if it quacks like a manic-depressive, they may be more likely to perceive it as one, as opposed to perceiving it as enlightenment. Laura Dern's Amy is admittedly off her meds, after having first suffered a breakdown, and then subsequently having had a realization experience. So which is she -- realized or merely manic-depressive and off her meds? That seems to be the theme that will be explored by this TV series. This is a big question, at least for me. I have no doubt that what we call mental illnesses all have corresponding problems in brain function when compared to a baseline normal. And those experiencing them certainly have trouble functioning in life. Mental illness is an illness. And the variety of spiritual experience we have, temporary witnessing, CC, Unity etc - well, that too must be the result of shifts in brain functioning. (Or the spiritual take is that brain functioning shifts ss a result of the presence of some energy or elimination of interfering stress or habits - that
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
I was listening to a downloaded lecture of MMY's from 1968 or so, that I picked up off of some website several years ago, where MMY purportedly discusses kundalini energy. I missed that part, but he does outline the process whereby the TC turns into CC, and becomes a permanent addition to consciousness, so that any experience has an underlying foundation of silence. I know anyone that learned or taught TM knows that this is supposed to be what happens, and I don't recall Maharishi saying anything about dissolving oneself in order to gain liberation, however, after all is said and done, his description of silence underling every activity turns out to be confirmed 100% by direct experience. *Nothing* that can be demonstrated, and yet unmistakable in its existence and the experience of silence along with activity, dreaming and sleeping. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Nice and clear description, Jim. Thanks as always. This matches the talk about awakening by Adyashantai, Ramana Maharishi and many in the satsang movement. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Nice and clear description, Jim. Thanks as always. This matches the talk about awakening by Adyashantai, Ramana Maharishi and many in the satsang movement. ** Yep, we all end up in the same wonderful place; right here! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Nice and clear description, Jim. Thanks as always. This matches the talk about awakening by Adyashantai, Ramana Maharishi and many in the satsang movement. ** Yep, we all end up in the same wonderful place; right here! Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already. Perhaps the experience is as it is inside as outside? Like Krishna, the challenge was to play with the negativity. One does not have to become negativity. The
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
note: Apostates must have their garments (official underwear) taken away. http://www.rhsager.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/mormonunderwear.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
One ugly joke? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Categorizing and gradation. Jeez this quickly becomes a complex calculation, many are the apostatises here. Just, who to shun? This project needs a spread sheet to go with names. It was so much easier before just using 'Meditator' and 'Non-meditator' to sort posts. Now add in labels: spiritual-apostate, meditation-apostate, TM-apostate, TM-Movement-apostate, TM-Siddhi apostate, religious apostate, non-religious but spiritual apostate, generally apostate. Now, I don't know quite which columns to check for Robin. I haven't read enough of his posts yet. He's an interesting fellow to show up after all these years out. For instance, is he still a practicing meditator today? That's worth something even if shunned and an apostate. What could a non-meditator possibly have to offer on a spiritual list like this? I do kind of like him though if for all of his apostasy because he was there. The golden rule of filtering is, 'you know an apostate when you see one'. The other rule is, safety first and keep your finger on 'shun'. The filter in Yahoo-mail works pretty good. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always
Re: [FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Yo Buckaroo, Do I have this right; you belong to a religious cult---no one has ever heard of, in a sea of Judeo-Christian humanity---not known for celebrating our differences, and you're advocating intolerance? I'm wondering if you're a vegetarian; if so, you may be whole protein challenged; if you're not getting all your essential amino acids, you may be starving your brain for oxygen. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:58:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL] Categorizing and gradation. Jeez this quickly becomes a complex calculation, many are the apostatises here. Just, who to shun? This project needs a spread sheet to go with names. It was so much easier before just using 'Meditator' and 'Non-meditator' to sort posts. Now add in labels: spiritual-apostate, meditation-apostate, TM-apostate, TM-Movement-apostate, TM-Siddhi apostate, religious apostate, non-religious but spiritual apostate, generally apostate. Now, I don't know quite which columns to check for Robin. I haven't read enough of his posts yet. He's an interesting fellow to show up after all these years out. For instance, is he still a practicing meditator today? That's worth something even if shunned and an apostate. What could a non-meditator possibly have to offer on a spiritual list like this? I do kind of like him though if for all of his apostasy because he was there. The golden rule of filtering is, 'you know an apostate when you see one'. The other rule is, safety first and keep your finger on 'shun'. The filter in Yahoo-mail works pretty good. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
http://unconditionedresponse.blogspot.com/2011/07/pasta-apostate.html I wish to add pasta-apostate! Do I hear a yay? Count yays and nays (but the nays are negative and it would be best to speak this sound quiet with your head turned to the right, if one is male. Left, if one is female, unless one is menstruating, then you must not vote. The list of names can go to the tune of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmTihetNinI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Categorizing and gradation. Jeez this quickly becomes a complex calculation, many are the apostatises here. Just, who to shun? This project needs a spread sheet to go with names. It was so much easier before just using 'Meditator' and 'Non-meditator' to sort posts. Now add in labels: spiritual-apostate, meditation-apostate, TM-apostate, TM-Movement-apostate, TM-Siddhi apostate, religious apostate, non-religious but spiritual apostate, generally apostate. Now, I don't know quite which columns to check for Robin. I haven't read enough of his posts yet. He's an interesting fellow to show up after all these years out. For instance, is he still a practicing meditator today? That's worth something even if shunned and an apostate. What could a non-meditator possibly have to offer on a spiritual list like this? I do kind of like him though if for all of his apostasy because he was there. The golden rule of filtering is, 'you know an apostate when you see one'. The other rule is, safety first and keep your finger on 'shun'. The filter in Yahoo-mail works pretty good. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
I found it quite amusing and so was your reply. Sounds like something to do on a Sunday afternoon. Such cruelty actually sounds downright Biblical and Koranic. Do you think he might be puttin' us on? Hope you enjoy the quotes: ...the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt... - The author of Exodus describing the actions of the killer God in Ex. 12:29 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. - Author of 1 Samuel describing God's instructions (I Sam.15:2-3) Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -Psalm 137:9 (KJV) Kill them all, God will recognize his own. - Arnald-Amalric, 1208 when asked by the Crusaders what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars) We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides . - St. Ignatius Loyola (1500) The only reward of those, who wage war against ALLAH and HIS Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land, is that they be slain or crucified or their hands and feet be cut off on account of their enmity, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment. - Allah's words in the Quran, 5:33 If a man is in open rebellion, everyone is both his judge and his executioner. . . Therefore, let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. It is just as when one must kill a mad dog. - Martin Luther, 1525 This is America, God has sent one of the attacks by God and has attacked one of its best buildings. And this is America filled with fear from the north, south, east and west, thank God. - Osama bin Laden, 7 Oct. 2001 The only reward of those, who wage war against ALLAH and HIS Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land, is that they be slain or crucified or their hands and feet be cut off on account of their enmity, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment. - Allah's words in the Quran, 5:33 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
I guess you are the new Andy Kaufman. That is the only way I can relate to your posts. I don't want to consider the other option from what you wrote. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Categorizing and gradation. Jeez this quickly becomes a complex calculation, many are the apostatises here. Just, who to shun? This project needs a spread sheet to go with names. It was so much easier before just using 'Meditator' and 'Non-meditator' to sort posts. Now add in labels: spiritual-apostate, meditation-apostate, TM-apostate, TM-Movement-apostate, TM-Siddhi apostate, religious apostate, non-religious but spiritual apostate, generally apostate. Now, I don't know quite which columns to check for Robin. I haven't read enough of his posts yet. He's an interesting fellow to show up after all these years out. For instance, is he still a practicing meditator today? That's worth something even if shunned and an apostate. What could a non-meditator possibly have to offer on a spiritual list like this? I do kind of like him though if for all of his apostasy because he was there. The golden rule of filtering is, 'you know an apostate when you see one'. The other rule is, safety first and keep your finger on 'shun'. The filter in Yahoo-mail works pretty good. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So was this some kind of deadpan joke or is this one of the ugliest post I have read here? I request assistance on how I am to view such a post. Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, the permanence of silence during everything else just continues to deepen, sort of a really drawn out version of a sip of excellent cognac or other preferred distilled spirit, the way the alcohol fueled flavor is absorbed first in the mouth and then down the throat and finally to the stomach. It happens gradually yet unmistakably over time, with the only inevitable casualty being our limited identity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Regarding transient periods of witnessing, vs. permanent realization, the difference is just that. As a result of Being not being fully integrated, the temporary experience can feel kind of manic, as if one is one with the universe, feeling almost giddy, and somewhat hyperactive in the body and mind. I have had a few of these experiences over the years, and all I can say is the feelings were like an expansion of the heart that couldn't sustain itself, and dissolved after a few days. Permanent realization is just that. The mind isn't involved with it. In fact our self identity shifts radically from what we have always considered to be the 'me', to a universal identity with everything. This is also an evolving process that Maharishi described succinctly and simply in about 1968. So, rule of thumb is that if it feels overly blissy and the mind is involved in enjoying this experience on the level of the small self, and the whole thing feels special, it probably won't last. On the other hand, once Being is fully integrated, there is no mania associated with the experience, life just continues as before, with the only difference being complete liberation from bondage being lived moment to moment, and consequently a quiet and satisfied mind. Thanks for posting this very personal account Jim. But are you sure you are not suffering some kind of mental disease as the Turqo suggests ? :-) :-) Anyway your experiences, particularily those regarding before permanency reminds me of experiences I and my friends on Purusha had for prolongued periods of time years ago. But I would have described it as something in the middle of yours; life continued as before in happiness and it was not special, yet it would come and go. It will be interesting to see how many have entered phase two as they have been now in the Himalayas for quite a few years already.
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Whew! Judy to the rescue! Oh man. I thought I had to hide the Holy Science book someone gave me a copy of years ago. Really, it was hidden under a stack of Jehovah witness pamphlets and I forgot about it. Oh, I also found the book of a really good astrologer who lives in Fairfield, but just pretend I gave it away to Good Will. One Deepak book too. Do Deepa Metha movies count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBFUCj4IFOY I mean, she was married to Paul Saltzman? Right? A couple of his pictures, I have of his, well, on screen saver, shh. A few pictures of the Bealtes when they were in and out of the movement, but now that they are back, I think those are okay, right? These things are all over the floor in my burst of panic! All because of a joke. Ah hah! Hahahahahaha. I had disconnected my electric frequency sensors to check the digital phone taps and seal the duct tape over the camera on the puter, disconnect the face recognition and microphone, reset the modem, lock the doors, but the list of names thing, REALLY freaked me out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQi4CAzmrA Guys showing up in 1970's polyester suits with up to date organic pastel undergarments (how do I know? Don't ask.) and T-T-Ties! DL standing in the background in a black shirt and black pants (organic pastel undergarments? I don't know.) with his arms crossed, his hair in a twizzle (much more than usual), and Nabby with antennas on his head. Robert Roth giving me that Phantom of the Opera grin (hey someone on this board posted his picture, not me.) All with a bunch of papers to sign or I would never ever be allowed, never, back into the domes and no more using this message board unless I use a Facebook account with all provided and required security questions, and no pseudonym. Rick could make a lot of money giving names! LOL. NOT! Please don't! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] transient enlightenment vs. permanent realization [was Re: E and FFL]
Hmm.. I can't seem to see the humor here, what gives?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Buckji - spirituality is never for others always for oneself. If your love for the beloved is so easily threatened by others it's time to examine your love. Et tu, Ravi? I'm disappointed; thought your sensa yooma was better than that. Was emptybill the only one who saw this clearly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Nablusoss, They clearly missed the destination. Evidently Tqb, CDb and these other negativistic writers here are bound in states of apostasy. For lack of experience they clearly are in states of formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of any possibility of spiritualized or awakened experience by a person, particularly persons having any connection to practicing Transcendental Meditation. One who commits apostasy apostatises is an apostate. These guys are that here. Many religious movements consider it a vice (sin), a corruption of the virtue of piety, in the sense that when piety fails apostasy is the result. As a conservative practicing meditator I read their blasphemes here and am shocked that they even have privileges to post here. For instance, many religious groups and some states punish apostates as appropriate protection for the larger group. Apostates may be shunned by the members of their former religious group or even subjected to formal or informal punishment. This may be the official policy of the religious group or may be the action of its members. A Christian church may in certain circumstances excommunicate the apostate, while some Islamic scriptures (al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6) demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied to apostates by some Muslim states (such as Iran), but not in Christianity or Judaism. Now, of course TM is not a religion nor a cult like those other groups but I think these non-meditator apostate guys get off incredibly lite as they write and post here. En lieu of a higher level of oversight by the FFL owner and his FFL moderators here those of us who are more awake can only use the shun key to its best effect before any negative effect might intrude. I wish there was a way to better protect the list. Eternal vigilance is the price of Peace. Be careful, just shun them out and certainly don't let them get in the way of a good meditation. Peace on Earth, Buck in FF
