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turq, the tip off that there's no worrying involved, no trying to figure anything out, no needing to feel smart, just simple enjoyment: first I said it's a favorite concept and then I ended with a smiley face. And IMHO when someone enjoys, they actually do benefit other people just by enlivening the joy that's available for everyone. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Ah, one of my favorite math concepts: the fact that infinity comes in different sizes. Which is larger the set of all integers or the set of just the even integers? Even math has koans (-:Â A lot like spending one's time thinking about stuff like this. :-) It *amazes* me sometimes the useless shit people ponder to convince themselves they're smart. What would be the RESULT of finding an answer to any of these silly questions? Who would it help? Whose suffering would it ease? From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) There's a philosophical question as to whether the infinite set of odd or even numbers is bigger than the set of all numbers. Sorry, make that smaller, not bigger.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis
Dear RD- Your interest in Sun MD necessitates looking at your overall chart and I will do that and get back to you. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ravi, you're a peach. I'd love to have you analyze my chart. No hurry. What I'm most curious about is the Vimshottari dasha predictions starting in Sun mahadasha. It seems the start of every mahadasha has marked the beginning of a new phase in my life. Tempus fugit and I'm feeling it. Su/Su Jul 18,2012 Su/Mo Nov 4,2012 Su/Ma May 6,2013 Su/Ra Sep 11,2013 Su/Ju Aug 6,2014 Su/Sa May 25,2015 Su/Me May 6,2016 Su/Ke Mar 12,2017 Su/Ve Jul 18,2017 Mo/Mo Jul 18,2018 Mo/Ma May 19,2019 Mo/Ra Dec 18,2019 Mo/Ju Jun 18,2021 Mo/Sa Oct 18,2022 Mo/Me May 18,2024 Mo/Ke Oct 17,2025 Mo/Ve May 18,2026 Mo/Su Jan 17,2028 Ma/Ma Jul 18,2028 Ma/Ra Dec 14,2028 Ma/Ju Jan 1,2030 Ma/Sa Dec 8,2030 Ma/Me Jan 17,2032 Ma/Ke Jan 13,2033 Ma/Ve Jun 12,2033 Ma/Su Aug 12,2034 Ma/Mo Dec 17,2034 Ra/Ra Jul 19,2035 Ra/Ju Mar 31,2038 Ra/Sa Aug 23,2040 Ra/Me Jun 30,2043 Ra/Ke Jan 17,2046 Ra/Ve Feb 4,2047 Ra/Su Feb 4,2050 Ra/Mo Dec 30,2050 Ra/Ma Jun 30,2052
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Me too noozguru, Libra ascendent in both. And thanks for explaining the about the ayanamsha. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis LIbra ascendant in both. Sun in Sag in Jyotish and barely in Capricorn in tropical Subtract about 23 degrees from the western ascendant for the jyotish one. Same with the Sun. The ayanamsha has been 23 degrees x minutes since 1939 and only recently changed to 24 degrees but I don't think we have any members with that ayanamsha posting. On 06/09/2013 11:35 AM, emptybill wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@...: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis
What a great story! Do you remember how many quid she had to put up for the session? Was it an official Marshy Jyotish reading or was he just Marshy's fav and therefore got a lot of TM business? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I have known some TM'ers who have been told by jyotish-s there in Fairfield that they have the yoga for enlightenment - they are even told what year enlightenment will strike - they are among the most un-enlightened people I have known. They are also told their health problems will clear up and they are among the sickest people I have known. Ha ha, I've had all that as well. My only trip to a jyotishee was when a girlfriend wanted a compatability chart done and offered to pay ( I refused to hand any cash over - which could maybe have told her something important about me) I reasoned that if she didn't know if we were suitable how the hell would Jupiter? But she went ahead and got my chart read and it was crap, I'm going to get enlightened and win loads of money and me and this girl would stay together forever yada yada. This guy was supposed to be Marshy's favourite jyotishee and it was the usual load of vague crap that could apply to anyone. Except for me winning loads of money - that's going to come true this week I'm certain. I never saw the girl again either. Bloody planets, you can't trust them From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical I have my moon in Fresno and gall rising, so I guess that accounts for me, too. :-) Seriously, the reason I made my snippy phrenology comment is that THAT is how this whole discussion strikes me. Really. I bailed from the TMO *long* before Jyotish or any other form of astrology got the thumbs up from the Rish. Therefore I never invested more than a few minutes of my time in examining it as if it were a rational system. I honestly believe that -- to some extent - the degree to which people defend astrology (of any form) on this forum depends to some extent on that very *investment* I mention above. They were told it was meaningful, and so they dived into it and learned about it (as much as one *can* learn about a total pseudoscience), and the more time and energy they invested in it, the more they became defenders of astrology. In other words, it's the same phenomenon we see in TMers who still defend Maharishi. *I* spent a lot of time and energy on this, and *I* could not possibly have been wrong or deluded or taken in, so therefore it *has* to have merit. Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. I give humans -- and Nature -- far more credit than to be able to believe that.
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don't the jyotish folk leave out the outer planets in their calculations? If the heavenly bodies have an influence, how can some just be ignored? From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis Your argument here doesn't hold any water here salyavin. The calculations are the only part of astrology that are mathematical, it is geocentric - from the POV of the observer on earth. The positions of planets have precise calculations so now you have softwares which churn out the charts, as Bhairitu has commented certainly Indians didn't believe earth was the center and astronomy could have been developed to cater to astrology. There are other valid arguments against astrology - it's mystical origins and philosophical arguments against it. That it doesn't capture the essence, beauty of life - life which is a dynamic, living, in the moment - but then most philosophical ideas don't and creative pursuits such as music, poetry reflect the beauty, vulnerability of life. More arguments against - Something you yourself addressed in a subsequent post of yours - the personal subjectivity of astrologer creeping in, which of course taints everyone - including yours here where the scientific salyavin comes across as very unscientific. Arguments against the scope, validity of astrology are also equally valid. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till
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Man oh man - I missed all that - by all that I mean the TM money making ploy to send shills to rounding courses to drain course participants money from their pockets whilst rounding - so much for don't make decisions when rounding - what a bunch of hood-winking bastards they were and are - and yes that includes Marshy himself, the penultimate side show barker - the P.T. Barnum of vedic vibes. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: What a great story! Do you remember how many quid she had to put up for the session? Was it an official Marshy Jyotish reading or was he just Marshy's fav and therefore got a lot of TM business? I don't remember how much it was, it only cost me a cup of tea and a straight face, but judged in terms of accurate results, very expensive indeed. But you never know I might get enlightened and win loads of money still, if I do I will doff my cap to Jupiter. We were on a big course and international were sending all sorts of people down to rip us off - sorry tempt us with vedic wonders - and it was not long after the jyotishee that the vedaland PR guy came for a visit and gave us his once in a lifetime opportunity pitch. But he was Marshy's fave astrologer and everyone on the course was excited until I started pointing out inconvenient facts like he was telling everyone the same thing. As we all have the same basic needs I got the impression his job was to tell us what we wanted to hear with a few warnings about being nicer to people etc. Which seems a good summation of how it all works anyway. But I want it to be true. I heard a quote from Marshy about astrology that I liked: Everything is set, but everything that's set can be reset Marvellous. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I have known some TM'ers who have been told by jyotish-s there in Fairfield that they have the yoga for enlightenment - they are even told what year enlightenment will strike - they are among the most un-enlightened people I have known. They are also told their health problems will clear up and they are among the sickest people I have known. Ha ha, I've had all that as well. My only trip to a jyotishee was when a girlfriend wanted a compatability chart done and offered to pay ( I refused to hand any cash over - which could maybe have told her something important about me) I reasoned that if she didn't know if we were suitable how the hell would Jupiter? But she went ahead and got my chart read and it was crap, I'm going to get enlightened and win loads of money and me and this girl would stay together forever yada yada. This guy was supposed to be Marshy's favourite jyotishee and it was the usual load of vague crap that could apply to anyone. Except for me winning loads of money - that's going to come true this week I'm certain. I never saw the girl again either. Bloody planets, you can't trust them From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical I have my moon in Fresno and gall rising, so I guess that accounts for me, too. :-) Seriously, the reason I made my snippy phrenology comment is that THAT is how this whole discussion strikes me. Really. I bailed from the TMO *long* before Jyotish or any other form of astrology got the thumbs up from the Rish. Therefore I never invested more than a few minutes of my time in examining it as if it were a rational system. I honestly
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On 06/09/2013 06:50 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Thanks dear RD - I got your birthdate and time (It can be reverse engineered easily if you know the approximate age of the person) and it would have been good to have your place of birth, which I know now. So you may want to delete your posts if you are not comfortable with that. Very good to know and pleasantly surprised to hear about your Jyotish background. Yes free Jyotish software was a challenge even for me in 1997. I have used JJ before PVR Narasimha Rao created JHL for free - a beautiful software indeed - vedicastrologer.org. Anyway JJ uses true nodes whereas I use mean nodes - so 10 degrees for Rahu is correct. So why do you use the mean nodes?
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Well he was second - I said that once before - the Ultimate Indian Con Man was Mithilesh Kumar Srivastava, better known as Natwarlal - I bet Marshy, Girish and all the rest were jealous as hell of that guy. http://www.timescrest.com/opinion/nuts-about-natwarlal-5243 From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Man oh man - I missed all that - by all that I mean the TM money making ploy to send shills to rounding courses to drain course participants money from their pockets whilst rounding - so much for don't make decisions when rounding - what a bunch of hood-winking bastards they were and are - and yes that includes Marshy himself, the penultimate side show barker - the P.T. Barnum of vedic vibes. Remember, penultimate means second to last. Everyone gets that confused because it sounds like penultimate should be the ultimate ultimate. Maybe somebody needs to change the meaning. Who's in charge of that sort of thing? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: What a great story! Do you remember how many quid she had to put up for the session? Was it an official Marshy Jyotish reading or was he just Marshy's fav and therefore got a lot of TM business? I don't remember how much it was, it only cost me a cup of tea and a straight face, but judged in terms of accurate results, very expensive indeed. But you never know I might get enlightened and win loads of money still, if I do I will doff my cap to Jupiter. We were on a big course and international were sending all sorts of people down to rip us off - sorry tempt us with vedic wonders - and it was not long after the jyotishee that the vedaland PR guy came for a visit and gave us his once in a lifetime opportunity pitch. But he was Marshy's fave astrologer and everyone on the course was excited until I started pointing out inconvenient facts like he was telling everyone the same thing. As we all have the same basic needs I got the impression his job was to tell us what we wanted to hear with a few warnings about being nicer to people etc. Which seems a good summation of how it all works anyway. But I want it to be true. I heard a quote from Marshy about astrology that I liked: Everything is set, but everything that's set can be reset Marvellous. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I have known some TM'ers who have been told by jyotish-s there in Fairfield that they have the yoga for enlightenment - they are even told what year enlightenment will strike - they are among the most un-enlightened people I have known. They are also told their health problems will clear up and they are among the sickest people I have known. Ha ha, I've had all that as well. My only trip to a jyotishee was when a girlfriend wanted a compatability chart done and offered to pay ( I refused to hand any cash over - which could maybe have told her something important about me) I reasoned that if she didn't know if we were suitable how the hell would Jupiter? But she went ahead and got my chart read and it was crap, I'm going to get enlightened and win loads of money and me and this girl would stay together forever yada yada. This guy was supposed to be Marshy's favourite jyotishee and it was the usual load of vague crap that could apply to anyone. Except for me winning loads of money - that's going to come true this week I'm certain. I never saw the girl again either. Bloody planets, you can't trust them From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same
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On 06/09/2013 11:07 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I love the way you said maths, so British, so traditional. How could anyone get mad at you when you say that? Hey, how could anyone get mad at me *anyway*? You challenge the belief systems they've invested in. Rather than challenge them themselves, they get mad. Some go as far as to describe the grade-school math of astrology as non-simplistic. Clearly anyone who believes that (I taught myself how to cast charts in less than an hour) has never worked with linear and non-linear math programming, quadratic program- ming, and optimization/predictive algorithms based on chaos theory. Now THOSE are non-simplistic maths. But *they* can't predict for shit, either, even after millions of man-hours thrown into the effort. Astrology is just simple grade-school math combined with a lot of subjective data-mining, with a lot of wishful thinking thrown in. It only works in the rear-view mirror, to explain to people *who already believe in it* what already happened and try to fit the randomly-shaped pegs of reality into the square hole of their ideas about reality. The challenge to astrology or Jyotish on this forum is the same as it's ever been. Predict some- thing. Something concrete, non-hazy, non-general, and that can be easily verified. We'll wait. Most believers in astrology here have never even tried. The ones who did presented *laughably* generalistic predictions that could be applied to anyone. I seem to remember JohnR even once predicting that something bad is going to happen to person X or something like that. :-) I restate my position -- the more time they've invested in the belief system, the less able they are to step back and challenge it, to see whether it has any validity or not. No astrologer can predict what color car will cross a street where you are waiting for the light to change at 9:15 AM on Tuesday. If that is what you think astrology is then you are wrong. I provides a weather report of what conditions exist for something to happen. Malefic planetary periods can produce negative results. If the planet for that period rules finances the person may indeed experience financial difficulties. Supposedly remedial measures such as gems, performing charitable acts, yantras and mantras can reduce that effect. Bad transits can also effect people. I've seen it time and again. That's the thing, many astrologers spend their lives testing astrology to see if it works. Why it works is another matter. Das Goravani didn't help much with his explanation of rays the other. He sounded more like he was mocking astrology. :-D It probably says in your horoscope you won't like astrology anyway. Each to his own.
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On 06/10/2013 04:10 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I'm pretty good with what you're saying here. While astrology is an interesting concept I don't think it is a science because I don't think anything is provable. And I certainly wouldn't base who I was going to marry or not marry based on some astrological chart. I wouldn't use an astrological chart to determine where I should move and when. I don't think I would use any astrological data to make ANY decisions nor would I spend the time to learn how to read people's charts. But it is interesting to see how some are really believers and actually take this stuff into consideration when making life-altering decisions. But I did really appreciate Ravi taking the effort and time to give me a reading. FWIW: If I'd believed my own (partly playful) predictions (I seem to recall it was at the end of 2009 or 2010) concerning the 5th Saturn Return of Nokia Corp (b. 1865), I might be some 50 thousand euros richer now... ;-( There you go Card, the perfect test for astrology. Make some predictions based on company start dates and let's see how well they do. I won't invest if you don't mind as I have to remain objective. I predict they will perform the same as randomly picked stock except in a crisis where they will do worse. Prove me wrong! Well, of course that's a coincidence, but it mightn't be hard to guess how pissed off I've been as I knew the situation based on a simple astrological transit some two years in advance, but didn't act as I should've on the basis of that: sell my shares and wait for NOK to almost plummet to buy them back near the lowest price for years... LoL! I'd love to make a killing like that, must be satisfying but I lack the know-how to get started in a risky business like that. BTW, what were Nokia doing in 1865? Can't have been much of a mobile network in those days... Wood pulp. Guess they diversified.
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On 06/10/2013 10:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: EVERY system is simplistic. The map is not the territory. First, astrology IS fairly simplistic, as systems go. Compared to, say, quantum mechanics. But more important, NO system can EVER explain reality because it is by definition lesser than reality, and only a crude approx- imation of reality designed by crude human minds hoping to understand the non-understandable. Now if you want a definition of simplistic, it's the people who believe in systems. :-) So how many charts have you cast and analyzed? None? But you better not try your hand at it because you might find it works. That has happened to skeptics including one teacher who wanted to debunk it then found it worked. We get it. It's not your cuppa tea. Feel free to start a thread on the care and grooming of Afghan hounds. I wouldn't have any interest in that myself. ;-)
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Ah, one of my favorite math concepts: the fact that infinity comes in different sizes. Which is larger the set of all integers or the set of just the even integers? Even math has koans (-: From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: (snip) There's a philosophical question as to whether the infinite set of odd or even numbers is bigger than the set of all numbers. Sorry, make that smaller, not bigger.
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On 06/10/2013 12:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2013 10:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: EVERY system is simplistic. The map is not the territory. First, astrology IS fairly simplistic, as systems go. Compared to, say, quantum mechanics. But more important, NO system can EVER explain reality because it is by definition lesser than reality, and only a crude approx- imation of reality designed by crude human minds hoping to understand the non-understandable. Now if you want a definition of simplistic, it's the people who believe in systems. :-) So how many charts have you cast and analyzed? None? But you better not try your hand at it because you might find it works. That has happened to skeptics including one teacher who wanted to debunk it then found it worked. I used to do it but found I couldn't tell people apart. Once I was doing two and didn't put the names on top of the paper [I did it the hard way] and had absolutely no idea who was who! That was my first inkling that something wasn't right. But I guess that with computers it's a whole lot easier so can you recommend a programme so I can have a go? I'm in a scientific mood these days, and the only way to test things is to, erm, test them. Preferably a free thing I can download, that's what I need. http://jyotishtools.com/online.php http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html Cool, thanks. But unfortunately it's set for America and I was born a mere stone's throw from Greenwich and it won't take a 0.5 longitude. So what is 0.5 of a degree? It is 30 minutes. Enter 0 degrees 30 minutes. And don't forget to enter whether it is west or east of 0 degrees. Slight difference though depending on the time of year the ascendant won't change much. BTW, longitude and latitude are ONLY used for calculating the ascendant (or if you are using some unequal house system). The planets are based on the terms for UTC so the time zone is needed there. But then you were probably born UTC or GMT. UTC does not change but these days for DST GMT become BST.
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salyvin said: Or Saturn giving me bad techno influences. Share replies: no no, Mr. Aquarius, Saturn is exalted now so it's probably Mars or whatever is ruler of cookies in your chart (-: thanks, I love the quote from Maharishi about set and reset. Just replying to another of your posts and speaking for myself, I don't think of jyotish as vedic cognition or infallible knowledge. I think of it more like a weather report. It indicates probabilities and tendencies. I think noozguru said something like this already. For me it's enjoyable to have enough knowledge to see what might unfold. And then watch and see what actually does unfold. For 20 years I drove from Iowa to Maryland every Christmas. Watching weather reports and later observing the weather, I came to at least 2 conclusions: storms almost always come sooner than predicted; and when they say 30% chance of rain, it almost never rains. Meaning, I think we're all scientists all day long. How could we be anything else? We really don't ever know what's gonna happen next with 100% certainty. We may know with 99% certainty that when we turn the tap, water will come out; that when we put our foot on the brake, the car will stop. But we don't really know anything with 100% certainty. In this sense, we're always conducting experiments and watching what happens. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2013 12:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2013 10:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: EVERY system is simplistic. The map is not the territory. First, astrology IS fairly simplistic, as systems go. Compared to, say, quantum mechanics. But more important, NO system can EVER explain reality because it is by definition lesser than reality, and only a crude approx- imation of reality designed by crude human minds hoping to understand the non-understandable. Now if you want a definition of simplistic, it's the people who believe in systems. :-) So how many charts have you cast and analyzed? None? But you better not try your hand at it because you might find it works. That has happened to skeptics including one teacher who wanted to debunk it then found it worked. I used to do it but found I couldn't tell people apart. Once I was doing two and didn't put the names on top of the paper [I did it the hard way] and had absolutely no idea who was who! That was my first inkling that something wasn't right. But I guess that with computers it's a whole lot easier so can you recommend a programme so I can have a go? I'm in a scientific mood these days, and the only way to test things is to, erm, test them. Preferably a free thing I can download, that's what I need. http://jyotishtools.com/online.php http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html Cool, thanks. But unfortunately it's set for America and I was born a mere stone's throw from Greenwich and it won't take a 0.5 longitude. So what is 0.5 of a degree? It is 30 minutes. Enter 0 degrees 30 minutes. Nope, tried that and a few other things but it won't take the verification code now, must be a cookie limiting freebies. Or Saturn giving me bad techno influences.
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On 06/10/2013 02:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2013 12:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2013 10:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote: EVERY system is simplistic. The map is not the territory. First, astrology IS fairly simplistic, as systems go. Compared to, say, quantum mechanics. But more important, NO system can EVER explain reality because it is by definition lesser than reality, and only a crude approx- imation of reality designed by crude human minds hoping to understand the non-understandable. Now if you want a definition of simplistic, it's the people who believe in systems. :-) So how many charts have you cast and analyzed? None? But you better not try your hand at it because you might find it works. That has happened to skeptics including one teacher who wanted to debunk it then found it worked. I used to do it but found I couldn't tell people apart. Once I was doing two and didn't put the names on top of the paper [I did it the hard way] and had absolutely no idea who was who! That was my first inkling that something wasn't right. But I guess that with computers it's a whole lot easier so can you recommend a programme so I can have a go? I'm in a scientific mood these days, and the only way to test things is to, erm, test them. Preferably a free thing I can download, that's what I need. http://jyotishtools.com/online.php http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html Cool, thanks. But unfortunately it's set for America and I was born a mere stone's throw from Greenwich and it won't take a 0.5 longitude. So what is 0.5 of a degree? It is 30 minutes. Enter 0 degrees 30 minutes. Nope, tried that and a few other things but it won't take the verification code now, must be a cookie limiting freebies. Or Saturn giving me bad techno influences. Just download and install one of the free programs. Online horoscopes are for someone who wants to look up a chart without having to install a program. Capchas are used to keep people from hotlinking. http://jyotishtools.com/downloads.php Longitude would be 0 W 30 or 0 E 30 though it won't make much difference in the ascendant.
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FFL jyotishis, why are there so many Libra rising people in the world? Theories? Anyway, some FFL jyotish Sun signs: Aries, Steve and Robin Taurus Gemini, Doc, Curtis, Share Cancer Leo, Funny Farm Lounge itself Virgo Libra, Ann, Emily and maybe Cardemaister Scorpio Sagittarius, turq, Ravi, noozguru Capricorn Aquarius Picses Hmmm, wind and fire, very interesting. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home
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emptybill since I have plenty of it, I know what old karma is. But can you say more about what you mean by new karma? How new? This lifetime? This post? Shall we commiserate or celebrate or both the transiting of Ketu to natal Rahu and Rahu to natal Ketu? From: emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis Ca ... Ca ... Can ... Can't we jus ... just get along? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: snip Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@...: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father,
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Sure, but this IS the Funny Farm Lounge. I just was noticing how many house positions in the charts were relative to a Libra ascendant. ;-) On 06/09/2013 06:27 AM, emptybill wrote: Ca ... Ca ... Can ... Can't we jus ... just get along? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@...: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father, yet there is lot of friction with the mother, with feelings. You get involved or get caught up, willingly or unwillingly in lot of family drama. OTOH your
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I have known some TM'ers who have been told by jyotish-s there in Fairfield that they have the yoga for enlightenment - they are even told what year enlightenment will strike - they are among the most un-enlightened people I have known. They are also told their health problems will clear up and they are among the sickest people I have known. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical I have my moon in Fresno and gall rising, so I guess that accounts for me, too. :-) Seriously, the reason I made my snippy phrenology comment is that THAT is how this whole discussion strikes me. Really. I bailed from the TMO *long* before Jyotish or any other form of astrology got the thumbs up from the Rish. Therefore I never invested more than a few minutes of my time in examining it as if it were a rational system. I honestly believe that -- to some extent - the degree to which people defend astrology (of any form) on this forum depends to some extent on that very *investment* I mention above. They were told it was meaningful, and so they dived into it and learned about it (as much as one *can* learn about a total pseudoscience), and the more time and energy they invested in it, the more they became defenders of astrology. In other words, it's the same phenomenon we see in TMers who still defend Maharishi. *I* spent a lot of time and energy on this, and *I* could not possibly have been wrong or deluded or taken in, so therefore it *has* to have merit. Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. I give humans -- and Nature -- far more credit than to be able to believe that.
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On 06/09/2013 11:51 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical Kepler's day job was casting charts for astrologers. Astronomy developed from astrology not the other way around. And astrologers knew a long time before others that the earth wasn't the center of the solar system. It was obvious from observation. So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback.
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LIbra ascendant in both. Sun in Sag in Jyotish and barely in Capricorn in tropical Subtract about 23 degrees from the western ascendant for the jyotish one. Same with the Sun. The ayanamsha has been 23 degrees x minutes since 1939 and only recently changed to 24 degrees but I don't think we have any members with that ayanamsha posting. On 06/09/2013 11:35 AM, emptybill wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@...: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into
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Your argument here doesn't hold any water here salyavin. The calculations are the only part of astrology that are mathematical, it is geocentric - from the POV of the observer on earth. The positions of planets have precise calculations so now you have softwares which churn out the charts, as Bhairitu has commented certainly Indians didn't believe earth was the center and astronomy could have been developed to cater to astrology. There are other valid arguments against astrology - it's mystical origins and philosophical arguments against it. That it doesn't capture the essence, beauty of life - life which is a dynamic, living, in the moment - but then most philosophical ideas don't and creative pursuits such as music, poetry reflect the beauty, vulnerability of life. More arguments against - Something you yourself addressed in a subsequent post of yours - the personal subjectivity of astrologer creeping in, which of course taints everyone - including yours here where the scientific salyavin comes across as very unscientific. Arguments against the scope, validity of astrology are also equally valid. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress
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Mr. Bill - thank you very much, this was probably not easy for you :-) Sorry to hear about your loss, yes Rahu in Aries in 7th can be very tough. Do agree with your points on the nodes in Western astrology. I incorporated nodes in my analysis only after the Indian dentist's persisent questioning on Rahu, so I acknowledge her contribution in that regard. And of course I started doing astrological analysis during that period. OK - now I will revert to my martini-sipping, trash-talking Brahmin persona in my subsequent interactions with you Empty Bill. I have a major influence of Scorpio in my chart, Venus, Mars, Jupiter in the 12th and Scorpio is the tamasic Brahmin and you are right I'm the real deal baby. Anyway I am surprised with all the traction astrology is getting for the past few days, I suppose that's how FFL goes - some topics dominating. But I will try to extricate myself from this since it is not something which is my primary focus. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 5:58 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual,
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It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in the beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and the scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic dictates you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments after I have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations of astrology. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person is about astrology, the less they know about it. One of the first things one learns when one studies astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system.
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And salyavin is blind to his own subjectivity, hypocrisy making fun of astrologers. It's the same subjectivity that taints all knowledge, all philosophical thought contemplating the nature of reality and it's implications. He doesn't realize that his beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist model when taken to its logical conclusion would imply that we don't have any free will. As deterministic and fatalistic as astrology. But then the contradiction of it all reflected in his vehement opposition to anything that's not the reductionist, physical model. Where is this vehement opposition of his originating from? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in the beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and the scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic dictates you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments after I have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations of astrology. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person is about astrology, the less they know about it. One of the first things one learns when one studies astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system.
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And this is why I call salyavin an idiot. As tainted - his subjectivity tainting - his opinions, as deterministic, as fatalistic as astrologers all the while arguing that such a subjectivity even exists. The contradiction here is by pointing out the perverse subjectivity of astrologers disproving his own beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist model. What a fucking hypocrite you are salyavin, blind to your own subjectivity. Go play or listen to music, write some poetry, love a woman - express your helplessness, the vulnerability at the baffling, puzzling complexity, contradiction that is the life, that is the human consciousness - this complexity which neither astrology or your reductionist physicalism ever can touch. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: And salyavin is blind to his own subjectivity, hypocrisy making fun of astrologers. It's the same subjectivity that taints all knowledge, all philosophical thought contemplating the nature of reality and it's implications. He doesn't realize that his beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist model when taken to its logical conclusion would imply that we don't have any free will. As deterministic and fatalistic as astrology. But then the contradiction of it all reflected in his vehement opposition to anything that's not the reductionist, physical model. Where is this vehement opposition of his originating from? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in the beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and the scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic dictates you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments after I have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations of astrology. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person is about astrology, the less they know about it. One of the first things one learns when one studies astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system.
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23 deg 15 minutes would be true for March 1956. The anyanamsha increases about 50 seconds a year. This is the precession of the equinox. Tropical astrology does not use ayanamsha. Jyotish is sidereal and hence takes into account the precession of the equinox. Lahiri ayanamsha was 0 in 285 AD. Some astrologers will use different ayanamshas but they are often only a degree or two different. The ayanamsha is subtracted so it is currently at a little less than 6 degrees Pisces and that Age of Aquarius is still a couple hundred years off or when it goes into Aquarius. But that was just a lyric for a song anyway. On 06/09/2013 02:07 PM, card wrote: Well, at least according to the Swiss(?) site, astro.com, Lahiri ayanaamsha (ayana-amsha) is 23°15'15... astro.com http://www.astro.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: LIbra ascendant in both. Sun in Sag in Jyotish and barely in Capricorn in tropical Subtract about 23 degrees from the western ascendant for the jyotish one. Same with the Sun. The ayanamsha has been 23 degrees x minutes since 1939 and only recently changed to 24 degrees but I don't think we have any members with that ayanamsha posting.
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Especially when astrology teachers throw you a copy of the Parashara Hora Shastra and expect you to memorize it. Fortunately a few have taken to distilling the underlying principles which make it easier. That book reads like Parashara was traveling throughout India and cataloging all the different systems he found. Many successful India astrologers just use a few basic principles and don't bother with the icing. On 06/09/2013 02:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in the beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and the scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic dictates you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments after I have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations of astrology. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person is about astrology, the less they know about it. One of the first things one learns when one studies astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system.
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Oh come on please - these calculations are the basic of astrology, that they are geocentric. I am not going to get into any detailed argument with you, because I have already addressed everything you had to say. Having watched your arguments with Robin, Judy, Richard etc, I am not a fan of your reductionist style of argument - where you refuse to address major portions, you are stubborn, you obfuscate, you distort. You are very unscientific in your perverse support for science. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM, salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Your argument here doesn't hold any water here salyavin. The calculations are the only part of astrology that are mathematical, it is geocentric - from the POV of the observer on earth. The positions of planets have precise calculations so now you have softwares which churn out the charts, as Bhairitu has commented certainly Indians didn't believe earth was the center and astronomy could have been developed to cater to astrology. I know how to draw up horoscopes Ravi, and the maths is what gives it away - IF you know that everything in the solar system goes round the sun, the ephemeris used to plot positions on the natal chart are designed to make it look like the earth is in the middle, all those logarithm tables used to drive me nuts, I used a calculator and a piece of paper, the hoops you have to jump through to make it look like the earth is the middle are ridiculous but not as ridiculous as thinking it will work the same way with the sun where it ought to be, that would just throw everything else out completely, or rather it would make even less sense. There are other valid arguments against astrology - it's mystical origins and philosophical arguments against it. Tha fact it doesn't work? That it doesn't capture the essence, beauty of life - life which is a dynamic, living, in the moment - but then most philosophical ideas don't and creative pursuits such as music, poetry reflect the beauty, vulnerability of life. More arguments against - Something you yourself addressed in a subsequent post of yours - the personal subjectivity of astrologer creeping in, which of course taints everyone - including yours here where the scientific salyavin comes across as very unscientific. Actually I'm being ruthlessly scientific here, the only force known to be infinite in extent is gravity and astrology has nothing to do with that as a lorry passing you in the street has a much larger effect on you than Jupiter ever could, let alone a titchy little speck like Mercury. The astrologer must be proposing some sort of personality field that permeates space and is somehow affected by planets movements and by having a corresponding and predictable effect on people born at a particular time and place on Earth, but a different effect on people born somewhere else at the same or a different time. The field appears to be unmeasurable except in its effects but even then only subjectively, no one has ever convincingly demonstrated that it is a usable indicator of future events or that personality profiles can be picked out by the people who they supposedly are excellent descriptions of. These experiments have been done many times. The trick with any scientific endeavor is to make sure there is a signal to measure and then you can start speculating. Which would be fine and a good place for starting research *if* we didn't have any idea about how personalities are formed and a much better understanding of our place in the cosmos than the people who devised astrology. But giving physics a complete rewrite with no discernable gain is going to be a tough sell, to me anyway. It's all a bit too anthopo- morphic. Give a monkey a brain and it thinks it's the centre of the universe Arguments against the scope, validity of astrology are also equally valid. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hey! FF-Lifers ... Wake up and clarify yer data. Tula lagna or Libra rising? Western or Jyotish charts? When I was born there were some stars a long, long way off and some planets in the same place they always are, just going round the sun, same for you and me and everyone that ever lived. But it's OK to pretend the Earth is the centre of the solar system and the stars are actually connected in some way in their constellations and that astrological houses are real and that it all means something (*anything*) to our lives depending on what time we were born. But then I've got my moon in capricorn so I'm bound to be sceptical So far I think only Judy has confirmed which one. --- In
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Yes - I have been very scientific, so to speak - as in logical, analytical, consistent in my approach, given the limitations, the scope and validity of astrology, which salyavin in his reductionist obfuscation doesn't even acknowledge - oblivious to his own subjectivity which he denies, the fatalistic, determinstic approach of his reductionist, physicalism that he contradicts. I have clearly defined the scope, the parameters under which I operate and the persons who received an astrological analysis from me were more than satisfied. And my goals from an astrology reading i.e providing a sort of therapeutic, psychosomatic relief were delivered even if the persons who I did the reading for were conscious and perceptive of my intentions or not. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** For the record, it doesn't bother me if people are skeptical of astrology--I'm dubious about it myself. What I find astounding is the *basis* the skeptics cite for their disbelief--Barry because it's simplistic and salyavin because astrology doesn't represent the solar system as it actually is. Barry's obviously just plain factually wrong, and salyavin doesn't realize his objections are completely irrelevant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: And this is why I call salyavin an idiot. As tainted - his subjectivity tainting - his opinions, as deterministic, as fatalistic as astrologers all the while arguing that such a subjectivity even exists. The contradiction here is by pointing out the perverse subjectivity of astrologers disproving his own beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist model. What a fucking hypocrite you are salyavin, blind to your own subjectivity. Go play or listen to music, write some poetry, love a woman - express your helplessness, the vulnerability at the baffling, puzzling complexity, contradiction that is the life, that is the human consciousness - this complexity which neither astrology or your reductionist physicalism ever can touch. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ ...wrote: And salyavin is blind to his own subjectivity, hypocrisy making fun of astrologers. It's the same subjectivity that taints all knowledge, all philosophical thought contemplating the nature of reality and it's implications. He doesn't realize that his beliefs in physicalism and the reductionist model when taken to its logical conclusion would imply that we don't have any free will. As deterministic and fatalistic as astrology. But then the contradiction of it all reflected in his vehement opposition to anything that's not the reductionist, physical model. Where is this vehement opposition of his originating from? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ ...wrote: It is definitely very complex and it really baffled, hindered me in the beginning because there were so many variables - some conflicting, to consider. In fact I have had to pare down the factors I look at, and the scope and parameters to come up with a reasonable analysis. Logic dictates you really try to have some good understanding of the topic before you criticize it and Barry, salyavin come up with some lame arguments after I have really detailed a clear summary of some of the major limitations of astrology. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Astrology strikes me now -- and always has -- as a pseudoscience aimed at those who believe that the infinite complexity of human behavior can be explained by a simplistic system. It's almost guaranteed that the more scornful a person is about astrology, the less they know about it. One of the first things one learns when one studies astrology is that it's a infinitely complex system.
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Rahu 10Le38? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? Aries Ascendant Leo Sun Taurus Ascendant Gemini Sun Cancer ascendant Pisces sun Kumbha Lagna Vrishabha Rashi, waxing near full As 28Ar11 Krittika Su 19Le48 P.Phalguni Mo 27Ge36 Punarvasu Ma 29Le38 U.Phalguni Me 14Vi46 Hasta Ju 25Ge37 Punarvasu Ve 1Le23 Magha Sa 19Ta07 Rohini
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On 06/09/2013 03:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Your argument here doesn't hold any water here salyavin. The calculations are the only part of astrology that are mathematical, it is geocentric - from the POV of the observer on earth. The positions of planets have precise calculations so now you have softwares which churn out the charts, as Bhairitu has commented certainly Indians didn't believe earth was the center and astronomy could have been developed to cater to astrology. I know how to draw up horoscopes Ravi, and the maths is what gives it away - IF you know that everything in the solar system goes round the sun, the ephemeris used to plot positions on the natal chart are designed to make it look like the earth is in the middle, all those logarithm tables used to drive me nuts, I used a calculator and a piece of paper, the hoops you have to jump through to make it look like the earth is the middle are ridiculous but not as ridiculous as thinking it will work the same way with the sun where it ought to be, that would just throw everything else out completely, or rather it would make even less sense. You must not know astronomy either? An astronomer needs to know in the sky where the object they want to observe is going to be. He wouldn't be very interested in finding the position of that object from the Sun. It's rather hot there. A geocentric astrology chart does the same thing. Now there are some astrologers who use heliocentric charts or the view from the sun. When a geocentric sky chart is created both for astronomy and astrology then first the heliocentric position of the planet is calculated and then then adjusted by the position of the earth to get the geocentric position. Astrology and astronomy programs use calculation engines developed by the International Astronomical Union and NASA. These include VSOP87 and JPL Ephemeris. VSOP87 uses a lot of mathematic terms to calculate the position of an object and the JPL Ephemeris uses a database of Chevyshev polynomials at certain intervals of days and takes far less time to calculate.
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Thanks dear RD - I got your birthdate and time (It can be reverse engineered easily if you know the approximate age of the person) and it would have been good to have your place of birth, which I know now. So you may want to delete your posts if you are not comfortable with that. Very good to know and pleasantly surprised to hear about your Jyotish background. Yes free Jyotish software was a challenge even for me in 1997. I have used JJ before PVR Narasimha Rao created JHL for free - a beautiful software indeed - vedicastrologer.org. Anyway JJ uses true nodes whereas I use mean nodes - so 10 degrees for Rahu is correct. Thank you for your compliments RD. I did notice the cluster of planets in your 5th house, that can indeed be challenging. I would love to provide an analysis later but it will take some time. I absolutely loved your comment on getting laid - women must think it's amusing, the lengths guys go to get laid. Anyway I never got laid, but the woman I was pursuing then challenged me to learn something new - so I will always acknowledge this woman's contribution. I presented a vulnerability that was a huge threat to the women I fell in love since my separation. It wasn't intentional but since women are naturally perceptive, they detected it quickly and treated me as a threat to their personhood because they were somehow emotionally unavailable, at least that was my read, it wasn't that they weren't attracted to me - both did. It seems as if I am destined to be attracted to emotionally unavailable women, I have developed strategies to address my behavior, but I'm not sure if I ever will fall in love with a healthy woman or someone who strives to be healthy. I have given up - at least I have zero emotional investment in it. I have emailed a few women on match.com but nothing really serious - online dating will not work for me. Nothing to worry - I am good. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Rahu 10Le38? You're good, off by just a degree. My 5th house has a mess of planets, not all of them happy with each other. Oh well. I didn't have access to my chart when I posted so I used http://jyotishtools.com/online.php to create a chart. It turns out the coordinates for Detroit Michigan were off slightly when I posted on FFLife so Lagna is off a little. I the found exact coordinates for Detroit at http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html 42N18 -83W08. When I got home a little while ago I dug around and found a computer generated chart in an old file from 1987. The corrected coordinates checked out. I dabbled in Jyotish a few years back and I know just enough to be dangerous. Jyotish consumed me for about two years, OCD kicked in big time. I have no excuse for it because I didn't do it to get laid (like some people I know). Very few people had a Jyotish computer program in 1987. I think it's so cool that now you can create a chart online in just a few minutes and it's free. The most difficult part of Jyotish is interpretation and you, my friend, have an exquisite feel for it. And that's what it's all about. It's not just a technical analysis, but something you intuit and feel your way into, getting a sense of the whole chart, the whole person. Your reading for Ann was the most insightful I've ever seen. Even knowing as much as I do about my own chart, I have never come as close to understanding it as it relates to events and circumstances in my life as you have for Ann's chart. The care and thoughtfulness you extended to her is a simple blessing of your appreciation of her as a friend. Ann is an open book, she hides nothing and I respect that...me, not so much. As 28Ar02 Krittika Su 19Le48 P.Phalguni Mo 27Ge36 Punarvasu Ma 29Le38 U.Phalguni Me 14Vi46 Hasta Ju 25Ge37 Punarvasu Ve 1Le23 Magha Sa 19Ta07 Rohini Ra 11Le10 Magha Ke 11Aq10 Shatbisha On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? Aries Ascendant Leo Sun Taurus Ascendant Gemini Sun Cancer ascendant Pisces sun Kumbha Lagna Vrishabha Rashi, waxing near full As 28Ar11 Krittika Su 19Le48 P.Phalguni Mo 27Ge36 Punarvasu Ma 29Le38 U.Phalguni Me 14Vi46 Hasta Ju 25Ge37 Punarvasu Ve 1Le23 Magha Sa 19Ta07 Rohini
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Thank you dear Ann - that was real sweet. Dear RD - someone like Ann and I would be real open since it's natural for someone who has predominant influence of Scorpio. Scorpions wants to uncover everything hidden in the deep corners out in the open to inspect. But quickly, without looking at your whole chart - the predominant sign is Leo. Leos are noble, dignified and have a strong need for privacy so nothing wrong there. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Rahu 10Le38? You're good, off by just a degree. My 5th house has a mess of planets, not all of them happy with each other. Oh well. I didn't have access to my chart when I posted so I used http://jyotishtools.com/online.php to create a chart. It turns out the coordinates for Detroit Michigan were off slightly when I posted on FFLife so Lagna is off a little. I the found exact coordinates for Detroit at http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html 42N18 -83W08. When I got home a little while ago I dug around and found a computer generated chart in an old file from 1987. The corrected coordinates checked out. I dabbled in Jyotish a few years back and I know just enough to be dangerous. Jyotish consumed me for about two years, OCD kicked in big time. I have no excuse for it because I didn't do it to get laid (like some people I know). Very few people had a Jyotish computer program in 1987. I think it's so cool that now you can create a chart online in just a few minutes and it's free. The most difficult part of Jyotish is interpretation and you, my friend, have an exquisite feel for it. And that's what it's all about. It's not just a technical analysis, but something you intuit and feel your way into, getting a sense of the whole chart, the whole person. Your reading for Ann was the most insightful I've ever seen. Even knowing as much as I do about my own chart, I have never come as close to understanding it as it relates to events and circumstances in my life as you have for Ann's chart. The care and thoughtfulness you extended to her is a simple blessing of your appreciation of her as a friend. Ann is an open book, she hides nothing and I respect that...me, not so much. Thank you for thanking Ravi so well. He did an extraordinary thing and so much of RAVI came out in his reading for me. Even more important than the reading was the beauty of the man, the sensitivity that came through. My chart became a conduit for me to extend to Ravi a kind of love. Very, very cool. As 28Ar02 Krittika Su 19Le48 P.Phalguni Mo 27Ge36 Punarvasu Ma 29Le38 U.Phalguni Me 14Vi46 Hasta Ju 25Ge37 Punarvasu Ve 1Le23 Magha Sa 19Ta07 Rohini Ra 11Le10 Magha Ke 11Aq10 Shatbisha On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:50 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? Aries Ascendant Leo Sun Taurus Ascendant Gemini Sun Cancer ascendant Pisces sun Kumbha Lagna Vrishabha Rashi, waxing near full As 28Ar11 Krittika Su 19Le48 P.Phalguni Mo 27Ge36 Punarvasu Ma 29Le38 U.Phalguni Me 14Vi46 Hasta Ju 25Ge37 Punarvasu Ve 1Le23 Magha Sa 19Ta07 Rohini
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Dear Ann, thank you so much. I loved what you say and that was definitely more pleasurable than the reading. Like I said it was a chore and it just a spontaneous decision to offer you a reading, something I regretted later, because I don't enjoy it as such, much like work since it doesn't really represent who I am as a person, it's just dry, intellectual analysis. So in that astrology is a real abstraction, and doesn't capture the beauty, the essence of the living reality and the person. I suppose it can just be therapeutic, a kind of psychosomatic relief. Not in your case since you may have already learned your lessons, but it can be very validating for someone who is struggling, for acceptance - validating to hear it be confirmed from the analysis. Perhaps it was a ruse, for my ancestors - in the name of astrology,like the modern day therapy. Surely I think therapy is way way superior, in the modern context but I have personally seen who people use therapy, insights into themselves into limiting themselves, blaming others. So it's not astrology, philosophy, therapy as such but the lessons the individual takes from these - responsibility, accountability, self-honesty - acceptance, being authentic and as such. Anyway - thank you for your response. As I can see it may have been a hit somewhere and a miss elsewhere- there is so much to look at and I was trying to get a quick, concise summary and so didn't spend a whole lot of time. Just wanted to demonstrate my spin on astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father, yet there is lot of friction with the mother, with feelings. You get involved or get caught up, willingly or unwillingly in lot of family drama. OTOH your relationship with your father created feelings of being un-tethered. You can also get caught up in emotional upheavals, melancholy, this sense of burdened by being the go-to person, an obsessive emotional hang-up, matters involving death, dying. (All this the sign of Scorpio being your ascendant with Moon, Saturn and Rahu - yes Rahu and the ascendant lord in the 4th house). I am not generally one to feel 'burdened by responsibility although I have taken on a lot of it in various forms and I did not feel the weight of the family situation as something for me to solve. However, when it comes to death and dying just call me Woody Allen. I have been obsessed/intrigued/conscious of it for most of my life and I still am. And there is definitely a wide streak in me that loves the macabre, the horrific, the strange although I also respect the need to keep all of that at arm's length as it has power to get into your life where it has no business. I have witnessed and had experiences of the clear existence of evil and the great power that it possesses, long before my time with Robin. The predominant influence of Scorpio makes you exceptionally intuitive, you love to see through, gather the motivations of others. You are totally turned off by superficiality, in-authenticity You have a presence, you radiate a natural power because of this influence. I would love to think this was true, and I have to say, at the risk of sounding prideful, I believe it IS true. This paragraph is a pretty good summation of some of what I am about. I also hope that I am not a hypocrite in that I would like to think that I also come across
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Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father, yet there is lot of friction with the mother, with feelings. You get involved or get caught up, willingly or unwillingly in lot of family drama. OTOH your relationship with your father created feelings of being un-tethered. You can also get caught up in emotional upheavals, melancholy, this sense of burdened by being the go-to person, an obsessive emotional hang-up, matters involving death, dying. (All this the sign of Scorpio being your ascendant with Moon, Saturn and Rahu - yes Rahu and the ascendant lord in the 4th house). The predominant influence of Scorpio makes you exceptionally intuitive, you love to see through, gather the motivations of others. You are totally turned off by superficiality, in-authenticity You have a presence, you radiate a natural power because of this influence. So the way to release the tension from the issues, the burdens of the emotional upheaval, over-reliance on self - presented earlier is you being involved with your home and your spouse - this relaxes you. Being involved with spouse in social circles of higher knowledge, you may have met your spouse in such a fashion, you value your spouse for his knowledge or you look up to him as such. You have a natural respect for men that present higher
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ann's astrological analysis
How many Libra (Tula) rising do we have on FFL? On 06/08/2013 05:58 PM, emptybill wrote: Ravioli Shitviscrewyou - So inspiring that you can do this. It's almost like yer a real brahmana instead of a Western-sucking Injun psychophant. Western astrologers weren't so good with rahu/ketu or as they used to call 'em - north node/south node or new karma/old karma. Got to see Injun jyotish first hand 'cause I have Rahu in Aries in 7th. Wife lasted 7 years before being struck down by Kaaladeva. P.S. ... ain't no GuruDevi gonna save yer asssets from them notches on the karmic clock. Like them Buddhists say ... karma rules all - fuck God. How're them martinis comin' along? Still calling them Soma to your admirers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear LGG (ji) Thank you very much. It's all self-learned, self-taught - free of cost, everything on the Internet (I'm a product of the internet era, all my philosophical pursuits online including FFL of course), nothing from actual books since 1998 - and also from the various astrology characters that were mentioned here in the past few days - the likes of Das Goravani, Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha Rao and many others. I don't study astrology anymore - stopped for the last 5-10 years now. Like I told Obba - if I ever need to refresh my memory I head on down to cafeastrology.com run by a lady named Annie Heese apparently. (Except she uses the wrong zodiac and wrong interpretation of nodes - she reverses it, one could read her all other interpretations and safely transfer it to the sidereal zodiac/Jyotish chart) OMG I wasn't looking to spend half of my posts on astrology, anyway I have only myself to blame and perhaps Ann for her post on Das and for accepting my impulsive, spontaneous offer :-) Anyway I have an un-influenced blemish-less Mercury in 1st in Sagittarius, so I'm always learning, curious, eager - if you have something to teach I will learn and then make fun of you. Mercury is un-aspected hence my learning is never tainted by my beliefs or subjectivity. Because Jupiter is the lord and in 12th, it's all in the areas of religion and philosophy, truth. When my Saturn dasha started in Jan 2010 I started magically talking (I was extremely introverted all my life, hesitant, unsure, nerdy, geeky till then) and writing and I haven't shut up since. Saturn lord of 2nd (speech) 3rd (writing) in the 5th house of creativity. I also Rahu in 3rd - which makes me obsessive energy wise and so writing then is a good way to relax this obsessive Rahu. And it all started because I was trying to impress this cute Indian dentist I was hitting on and she liked astrology. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Well done Raviji. I must say that I really like this side of you...you're a natural! Where did you learn all this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Ann, First off, let me remind you again that I use astrological analysis for personal growth - nothing less, nothing more. It only strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges, influences in various domains of life. The unique, personal consciousness of the person under consideration. It does your destiny in a sense, doesn't show free-will, would a good tool for understanding one-self, tuning oneself in meeting reality. I have an analysis below. Understand this is what your chart shows. You might be already aware of many of your challenges, of your inclinations and you certainly may have already overcome or addressed them, especially considering how you come across on FFL. Of course I might have been completely off the mark - anyway I will wait for your feedback. - You are a very self-focused individual, hardworking, reliant, disciplined - you, most likely at a young age were compelled to take responsibility owing to family circumstances. You were either through your or other's perceptions counted on to be the elder, regardless of if you were not the eldest of your siblings or not, you were the major influence, had the major say in your family. You have a powerful need to be nurture and be nurtured. You spend a lot of your effort,energy into creating a secure home for yourself - probably stemming from your childhood. Mostly extremely attached to your mother and not the father, yet there is lot of friction with the mother, with feelings. You get involved or get caught up, willingly or unwillingly in lot of family drama. OTOH your relationship with your father created feelings of being un-tethered. You can also get caught up in emotional upheavals, melancholy, this sense of burdened by being the go-to person, an obsessive emotional hang-up, matters involving death, dying. (All this the sign of Scorpio being your ascendant with
