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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Robert babajii...@yahoo.com wrote: I am wondering how this crazy German dude, got approved to be on that course...? Anyone have any ideas about that...? R.G. He's as free to be in that position as anyone else. You start with 5 MM Euros.
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:19 AM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:46 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. This is not just my opinion, by the way. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy, like most of the ladies here except Sal show some class. But are you and Judy licensed mental health professionals? If so, can you diagnose someone from afar? It takes someone in the same state of consciousness to recognize another Eternal.
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:07 AM, geezerfreak wrote: You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! No kidding--you almost expect Green Lantern and Red Flash to jump out and start fighting Lex Luther or something when you hear those silly terms used. Sal
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Is it possible that you turned down someone's application because the unidentified voice on the other end of the phone said to out of spite, or because he thought that they might have once seen another spiritual teacher or done some- thing Off The Program? If so, and someone was discriminated against and kept away from a course that even YOU would have to believe would be beneficial for them, does this present a case for YOUR unfounded beliefs being a tad harmful to someone else? Or is their experience of YOU turning them down all their experience, not yours? I'm looking forward to this answer too, as this happened fairly often, from what I recall. It was especially evil when one spouse would be accepted, but not the other. That's basically breaking up families, forcing people to choose, triangulating them. And it's interesting, isn't it, that that kind of behavior was not only tolerated, it was usually exalted as keeping the knowledge pure or whatever other BS phrase they used, while attempting to save marriages or relationships by seeking counseling was condemned, as far as I know, always--no exceptions. Quite a system of ethics there, eh? So I too am wondering about Raunch's answer, and whether or not the dismay/ anxiety of others being turned away for reasons the TMO never even had the decency to own up to (undoubtedly because they didn't actually *have* any reasons, or they were too lame for anyone to own up to) had any effect on her other than, Well, it's not *my* problem, why should I worry? Good question, Barry. I'm not holding my breath waiting for the answer, though. I'm SURE you can make a case for I was just doing my job, and following orders. But you don't even know WHOSE orders you were follow- ing. Do you not see something vaguely remin- iscent of Germany during WWII about this, where good Germans sent Jews somewhere (they didn't care where) because some unidentified male voice told them to? I believe even the Nazis identified themselves. Sal
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 4:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Perhaps you have a different way of explaining why you agreed to such an artificial lifestyle if you were NOT following orders and trying to fit into Maharishi's culture. As you said earlier, I report, you decide. Please report on this seeming contradiction. The Vedic Atom in the town I was living in at the time lived right at the TM Center, slept on the floors, etc. Barry, your questions are great, and very thought-provoking. Mine are much more prosaic...I was wondering then, and I still wonder...where TF did they take showers?? And how do 10 or so people get washed up in one or two tiny sinks. Rick, where did you and the guys take showers? Sal
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: When I agreed on to be on the Vedic Atom I freely, and willingly made a pledge, a commitment to Maharishi to take direction from him. The mission of the Atom was to establish a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment in cities assigned to the Atom. I've only known two sets of /male/ Vedic atoms. Both of them acted like God's gift to National Socialism. The set in Florida taught us Age of Enlightenment Technique #1 (out of 12 so far). The psychiatrist who was part of our group, Dr. Balend (sp?) said that they reminded him of new preachers (he was from North Carolina, I believe). Dr. Balend was flying the plane, incidentally, that was giving a free ride to people representing Maharishi in their quest for a place to put a capital in North Carolina. When the plane crashed, Maharishi changed his mind about NC. The group I met in Austin didn't mix with us citizen sidhas. They did an amazingly long program. I remember that I had received an Ayurvedic consult and taught to yodel certain ways before program to balance certain doshas. I as usual raced down to the Austin Capital, got on my flying clothes,. sat in the dark and seeing no one about, commenced my yodeling. Out behind a curtain came a member of the Vedic Atom, very upset that I had interrupted the divine program. It appears that it took 10 women to do what 3 men did, because I had only ever heard mention of 3 men in a Vedic Atom.
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:24 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: This line of reasoning seems far fetched and out of line. It is pure speculaton. We've heard from Raunchy that she acted in good faith. And now you're asking her if she thinks the course office was acting in good faith? Sort of like Isn't it possible Raunchy, isn't it entirely possible that the this UNIDENFIED, ANONYMOUS, -DO YOU HEAR ME ANONYMOUS voice on the other end of the line, might NOT have been acting in good faith. And isn't it true Raunchy, that an negative experience that the this unidentified voice may have had with a person named Todd sometime in his past, may have predudiced him against any applicant named Todd. Please Raunchy, tell the court, isn't this possible? Indeed, isn't it even likely this unidentied was voice was applying arbitrary standands for acceptance to a course., based on previous life experiences that affected his outlook, most likely in negative way that could have a profound effect on the individual applying including, but not limited to loss of self esteem, or divorce. Isn't this a possiblity Raunchy. Tell the court, yes, or no. And then Sal, chimes in that if Rauncy doesn't take this bait, then the point is proved. Or even more likely, if the answer isn't to Sal's satisfaction then the point is proved as well. I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. But fun nonetheless. :) Alright, lurk, here's a true experience of mine, just to show (at least IMO) what brainwashed groupies were in the TMO even years back (of which I consider myself to have been one, BTW, although thankfully not so far gone as I might have been): I was asked by someone who didn't have enough$$ to go on a course if I would help sponsor her, along with a few others. I was applying to the same course, so I said sure. Come to find out a week or two later, she then reported me, after getting the $$, for some minor OTP (gasp!) infringement, can't remember now what it even was. We both got on the course, BTW, but as geeze put it so well, it was just another dent in the armor that many of us wore in order to maintain the fiction that we were actually dealing with normal, well-intentioned people. We weren't. Sal
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Lurk: I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. Sal: But fun nonetheless. :) Alright, lurk, here's a true experience of mine, just to show (at least IMO) what brainwashed groupies were in the TMO even years back (of which I consider myself to have been one, BTW, although thankfully not so far gone as I might have been): I was asked by someone who didn't have enough$$ to go on a course if I would help sponsor her, along with a few others. I was applying to the same course, so I said sure. Come to find out a week or two later, she then reported me, after getting the $$, for some minor OTP (gasp!) infringement, can't remember now what it even was. We both got on the course, BTW, but as geeze put it so well, it was just another dent in the armor that many of us wore in order to maintain the fiction that we were actually dealing with normal, well-intentioned people. We weren't. I understand. I got rejected from a course (or going to Zambia back in 77?) based on a very subjective termination by Reed Martin. I was in Livingson Manor at the time, and when it happened, a voice inside me said go home, go home. That may have been when the bonds to TMO started to weaken some. Yeah, you mentioned that you might have described some experience a little too enthusiastically or something, and then they put you on some hit-list. This was one Lisa A who ratted on me, for what I've forgotten. But I'm pretty sure I started hearing the same voice. Sal
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On Apr 26, 2009, at 4:43 PM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Inside the Golden Dome: http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/ Thanks for the great link. Yeah, thanks is right. Here's a terrific example of the pearls of wisdom to be found in today's TMO: In other words, the Golden Dome at Fairfield, (not to be confused with the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radience, Texas, home of the Superadiance program), is a sort of hollow tope, surmounted by a kalasa, supported by the amalaka in which the akasha, symbolizing dimensionless space, is supported by the linga, surmounting the eight-angled cintamani vajra, an 8-sided prototypic harmika with a rail surrounding the hypaethral pavilion constituting a veritible chaitya-garbha pradakshina with a nice fence around it! In any other group this insane gibberish would earn whoever had written it a one-way trip to the nearest asylum. Sal
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On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:43 PM, raunchydog wrote: Rather, it is a product of Maharishi's good sense and planning, interleaved and inseparable from his unique culture. OK. Now I can completely stop taking you seriously.
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On Apr 25, 2009, at 12:23 AM, raunchydog wrote: Not by me. Nothing wrong with wanting to save the world. Agreed. Somebody has to do it. Maharishi's World Peace Plan inspired me to become a teacher. It still inspires me. How could anyone not be inspired by the hope of a better day, a kinder world, and a more fulfilling life for everyone? Cynics laugh at idealism. I don't. No cynics laugh at people who make such claims while laughing all the way to the bank, while students doing the techniques have very serious nervous breakdowns, episodes of dangerous and bizarre behavior, suicidal and homicidal ideation, threats and attempts, psychotic episodes, crime, depression and manic behavior, tax fraud and money laundering goes on, people got horrible diseases and maladies on the India courses from living in terrible insanitary conditions, he has sex with his students--just to mention a few of the types of things Mr. World Peace was really doing. Yeah, he did SUCH a great job. I'd say you need deprogrammed REAL bad is what I'd say.
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On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:16 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. Snip He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the ladies on that course. Did he ever express any other desires to the women on that course? :) He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we reacted to immediately. Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. This is so obvious to anyone who's had anything to do with the TMO in the last 30 years it seems incredible to even have to say it! One wonders in what dim-ension raunchy has been operating in if she somehow missed that. Where exactly does the whole idea of saris come from? For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. Sal
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On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:58 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: Just the intention to shift the energy. In a tiniest quantum way, the wind blows, the clouds form, the lightning comes, and the disturbing influences are cleared... You've been listening to too much John Hagelin who has a similar effect on people's thought processes to ingesting too much LSD. Just by saying the word quantum everyone's critical abilities are zapped and they start experiencing wild cognitive hallucinations. My thought processes must not have gotten the memo-- all I experience is boredom, intense boredom. Any nonsense idea can be made to appear plausible just by using the word quantum somewhere in the explanation. At least with LSD it wears off in a few hours. Sal
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On Apr 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! What you just read Bruneschelli's Dome and you had to check it out? Really Florence has to be one of the most fascinating places in the west--the birthplace of the Renaissance. I'm a big Francesco Giorgi and Neoplatonism fan, so it's always a place I wanted to visit. When the Jew's were kicked out of Spain in 1492 (on the day Columbus left), many went to Sicily and Italy, thus the Kabbalah first is found in Europe in Firenzia. The first Jewish ghetto was in Venice, and there's a museum there I've always wanted to visit. Hopefully you're taking a camera! Any chance of blogging the visit?
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Boo, in case it's not obvious this fella is nuttier than a fruitcake. Trying to dialog with him is useless. I do wonder thoughwas he always this way or was he damaged in um, some other way. I'll to have to ask Ned Wynn about it since I believe he knew Willy at one point back there Why don't we just add to the homepage of FFL that the main purpose of the group is to sling nastygrams at each other? That anyone who joins has nothing better to do with his/her time (and karma) than to call others nasty names and characterize them in the worse possible way? Does anyone here have a concept of this thing called karma? Now I am characterized as being a hateful, deranged individual, yet I try whenever possible to avoid conflict unless really pushed. But all of these people here who are holier than I am somehow don't get Matt. 7:1. Yet they tell each other how much more evolved they are than the others here. In typical FFL fashion, a person who posted here that he wasn't happy with me couldn't take my reply that that's life and my feelings weren't hurt as an end of our exchange. He had to use a private email to tear me a new asshole and tell me that I'd have to suffer living in my hate for the rest of my life. Gosh. I wasn't even told such things at Our Lady of The Inquisition Catholic School when I was growing up. I replied back that I'm not suffering. Life's a ball and it's getting better day by day. I pointed out that the motive behind his email was *to vent his hate towards me*. I'm sure he didn't get it, as he can only see people one way: fitting into his expectations or not. Yeah, that shows how far along on the path he is. I forgave him. That's how hateful I was toward him. Would there actually be anything to post here if the main purpose of posting wasn't to engage in the Eric Berne game Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch?
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:46 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. This is not just my opinion, by the way. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy, like most of the ladies here except Sal show some class. But are you and Judy licensed mental health professionals? If so, can you diagnose someone from afar?
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You didn't have my POV, why? - Original Message - From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it is the only organization capable of teaching TM so that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, rather than some watered down version that loses its effectiveness. Maharishi's great gift to the world was a systematic way to allow the mind to transcend. IMO the foundation of Maharishi's worldwide TMO is secure enough to endure leadership foibles and growing pains just as it always has. It will always have detractors, saints, dummies and TM teachers off the reservation who will teach, who knows what. Regardless, the TMO is the only reliable glue that can hold the teaching of TM together in perpetuity or at least for a very long time. I am the eternal, thinks the TMO kitsch and crowns are funny and since the TM works as advertised, he is content to let sleeping dogs lie. So don't bother telling him about other meditations. I agree with Eternal. I give TMO goofiness a pass because TM works as advertised However, TM critics, each from unique perspectives, routinely argue, TM does not work. Let's start with the usual suspects. Curtis: TM doesn't work for me and besides, most people stop TM. Obviously, it doesn't work for them either. So, you arrogant bunch of SOB's, don't presume you have the keys to a kingdom that does not exist or mislead children into practicing a religion, which will eventually disappoint them as I have been. Barry, master of non-sequitur: TM doesn't work? Well, neither does Purusha for that matter. Edg: Apart from his disappointment with himself and the TMO, I really don't know what Edg thinks about TM and whether or not it works. Vaj: Uhm..Buddhist meditation good, TM bad. TM not work. (Bonk!) Take that, TM vermin! Vaj exclaims as he projectile vomits longwinded Google posts about the minutia of superior Buddhist meditation. Fie! TM'er scum will reincarnate as dogs and cats! says he. The most interesting and personally encouraging thing I discovered in this thread is that there are a few TMO critics who, although they think TM works, their only real complaint is about the TMO's perceived flaws and not TM. Somehow, they have managed to appreciate the value of TM despite everything else being up for grabs in the TMO grumble machine. Here is the difficulty; defining exactly what is a wrong with the TMO is debatable and IMO, ultimately unimportant. Guyfawkes: TM on its own is pretty good, I quite like it.It's a poison that gets into the group psyche, just like Bush and his minions getting off on torturing people. Over the top hyperbole, much? Comparing TMO to Bush torturers? Really? The TMO has definitely got the poison and it will be the end of the TMO because it is the antithesis of what they're supposed to achieve. The TMO will always have a new crop of unattractive warts popping up here and there who ever ends up running the show in the future. Every organization has a political life whose leadership wrestles with its mission for better or worse. We can complain endlessly about the TMO but I don't doubt that TM will prevail on its own merits regardless of TMO buffoonery. The best thing that can be said about TM in this situation is that at least the calming influence stops the more extreme elements going around getting physically violent with people. Well, thank God for that. Heaven knows, that had it not been for the calming effect of TM, those extreme TMers (who happen to be underweight vegetarians) just might have organized a pogrom against the non-TMers of Fairfield, marshaled some righteous pitchforks and poked non-believers in the ass until they agreed to learn TM. Which is what normally happens when people get the idea that they're so noble that they should dominate the rest of humanity. It's just mental and verbal violence. Armies, dominate. TM'ers meditate. I just don't get it that anyone needs to fear a few guys wearing crowns and robes. Think of it as playing dress up. Catholic priests wear some pretty cool robes and hats as well. Don't sweat the small stuff. Enjoy the view. The people in the audience now have a proper answer to their question what do you mean by invincibility. At the time DL tried to fudge the answer to mean peace and love, but now we know it's the same invincibility that Hitler wanted, smash your enemies and make everyone fear you. Again, this is over the top hyperbole. Maharishi never spoke of invincibility in the sense that Hitler thought of it, and you know it. Guyfawkes, you and I may agree or disagree about the shenanigans of the TMO but despite it all, I am grateful that we can agree that TM works. It gives me hope that people will continue to learn and enjoy TM for many years to come.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: It's the girl we took to the dance and even though she got drunk and made a fool of herself, she is OUR girl and it is our responsibility to get her home safely. Thank you, Raunch. Well put in terms of an old saying that used to ring true when people still had honor and felt responsibility. Bygone times, alas.
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This clip always blows my mind. At least David does his sincere best to recover the situation. Raga E is the shocking aspect. Here is a man so intellectually bankrupt that he can't even explain the concepts he's talking about beyond slogans and buzzwords. It appears that he isn't even aware of how he comes across as a total fool. How far gone do you have to be not to be aware of your impact on others? --- On Thu, 4/23/09, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:07 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: I see the TMO is starting to get heavy with people who point out its rather obvious failings. YouTube has been told to take down the famous Berlin clip of Schiffgens making an idiot of himself. http://nosedef.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-lynch-forces-my-video-of-him.html This isn't the only recent case of the TMO getting heavy with people. My guess is that Bevan is the driving force behind the new heavy handed attitude to detractors since he's basically a bully and enjoys that sort of thing. Comments? Comments? The tape speaks for itself. You see how normal people react when confronted with this madness of the pretend rajas and their imaginary world government. Is it any wonder that the TMO and its defenders so strongly reject any attempts to be more upfront about the puja or any of the real goings on at the core of the TMO? Is it any wonder that the rajas dressed themselves as normies for the big Paul McCartney concert? Ask yourself...would Paul have done this concert if he saw this clip or any of the daily raja madness from Vlodrop? Wanna test the theory and show him? Anyone? C'mon people.are some of you so far gone that this is such a difficult concept to grasp? (Nabby, no need to answer. I already know you view the German raja spewing fascism and wonder what all the fuss is about.) This tape should be viewed again and again. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Peter wrote: This clip always blows my mind. At least David does his sincere best to recover the situation. Raga E is the shocking aspect. Here is a man so intellectually bankrupt that he can't even explain the concepts he's talking about beyond slogans and buzzwords. It appears that he isn't even aware of how he comes across as a total fool. How far gone do you have to be not to be aware of your impact on others? The thing is this far gone disjointedness is present in almost all the official representatives. It's not an isolated thing. Even Hagelin, who was once enjoyable to listen to, has begun to do the Marshy-castrato thang. The only parallel I can think of is in sci-fi movies where some extraterrestrial infection or organism takes over the crew and everyone's personality changes. Stepford meditators.
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Been jamming cream? - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: They're clearly quite scared and they should be. Their efforts will fail if the reality of their situation is made known. Thus spoke Vaj, the voice of irrelevance. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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Thus spake Nowblusus, the voice of Bevan Morris' butt. - Original Message - From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: They're clearly quite scared and they should be. Their efforts will fail if the reality of their situation is made known. Thus spoke Vaj, the voice of irrelevance. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: In either case, it is a mistake to judge the value of TM by the actions of an idiot or a saint. There is no measure of idiocy or sainthood before, during or after TM. Whether we witness the actions of Schiffgens the buffoon, Lynch the angel of mercy or Bevan the fascist bully, TM will prevail as wholly separate from them. Indeed my TM/TMSP practice is becoming sweeter and sweeter. I am once again sponsoring some ex-pats on Invincible America and I hope to join them in a month or two. I find all of the pomp to be as funny as all the golden antics Maharishi pulled year after year, ever adding more golden props to his alter. I fully expected Maharishi to add golden horns to his alter. Now the people I sponsor really dig this stuff and I dare not bring any of my feelings that this is all self satire up to them. They know how I feel and we just let sleeping dogs lie. Amongst all of the kitsch there is a technique that works as advertised and those don't agree don't really have to bother telling me about this or that meditation, this or that Tsongen or whatever the Tibetan techniques are called.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@yahoo.com wrote: TM on its own is pretty good, I quite like it. The problems arise when people get the idea that noble ends justify ignoble means. It's a poison that gets into the group psyche, just like Bush and his minions getting off on torturing people. They justify it to themselves on the basis that they meant well and the goal was noble. The TMO has definitely got the poison and it will be the end of the TMO because it is the antithesis of what they're supposed to achieve. My take on the zaniness of the TMO is that it all started with Maharishi, who instead of fitting into western ways decided to bring Indian ways to us. So even if the puja might not have been necessary, Maharishi brought it to us and now there's all the debate about TM being a religion or not because of this. So if it seems crazy, well, that's perfectly acceptable. I remember the first seasonal festival. All of us meditators at the festival were embarrassed for ourselves, the teachers and our esteemed guests. We knew what the people receiving awards were thinking. But within the TMO that was acceptable. It was as though the weirder it got, the more it had to make sense to the initiators. My group of meditators thought it was just a joke we'd play along with. Then there was the problem that Maharishi had of having really green starry eyed former hippies who were his initiators. He had to do things military style: strict hierarchy, strict rules, no deviation from your orders. Throw both of those together, let it percolate for a couple of decades and you get what you've got now. That Maharishi had no sense of design didn't help either. The Burger Boy hats, the Raja clothing. That's pure Maharishi. I guess it could have been worse. Maharishi could have been into army green.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews http://nosedef.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-lynch-forces-my-video-of-him.html Emmanuel did very well. The fools in the audiance that reacted to his words belongs to the generation of germans born after WWII, brainwashed by the americans to believe that the german people are trash and altogether a very dangerous people. I think that in general, Americans like and respect the Germans. They just don't like what happened under Hitler, and no self-respecting German does either. These hillbillies took over all schools, threw out all books and made new ones fitting for the americans and their ridicelous capitalism (we see where that idea is going now) and even banned their National Anthem ! What was that, Deutschland Uber Alles? Can you provide some documentation for the above sentence? Now the same ubermensh, the utterly foolish americans, the white trash of the West here on FFL try to humilate a true german ! I don't think most Germans would consider this guy a True German. What an utter garbagedump FFL has turned into. You mean you used to view it as something other than one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Invincibility booo b Invincibility booo b Invincibility booo b Invincibility booo b Must be a new sutra they are worried will give away some secret Invincibility booo b Invincibility booo b You fucking Nazi now acting like fucking Nazis Invincibility booo b Invincibility booo b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:16 AM, do.rflex wrote: You'd do better to make the distinction between critics of the TMO and critics of TM. To me, Transcendental Meditation properly taught is indeed a gift from God to humanity. The TMO on the other hand has for a long time been a publicly insignificant, inept, pathetic and clownish embarrassment. And you really think it's realistic to try and separate the two, flex? The TMO is run by a bunch of clownish, inept dolts (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course) because those are the only ones left. The reason they're the only ones left is because everyone with a functioning brain left years if not decades ago. The reason nobody replaced them is because for a lot of people, TM either didn't work, didn't work well enough, or, like me, they simply got bored to tears after deciding they had gotten whatever benefits from the technique they were likely to. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
They want to stem this incendiary instance of Movement foolishness but you can be sure they will end up in lights on Guruphiliac if they haven't already. They really are losing touch with the way of the world. - Original Message - From: guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews William Goldstein contacted Natel, asking that the two unpublished chapters of MMY's Gita be removed from my webserver. When Natel called me, I wasn't near a phone, so they left a message and shut off my Internet connection. Any more heavy handedness out there that needs to be reported? Dates and names are useful. It seems to have started recently. I didn't even know about the unpublished chapters of MMY's Gita. That's extremely interesting. What's in them that they didn't want the world to know? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Now the same ubermensh, the utterly foolish americans, the white trash of the West here on FFL try to humilate a true german ! What an utter garbagedump FFL has turned into. Hahaahahahahaha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
What trouble ? Emmanuel did a great job in revealing the american brainwashed generation of the germans, those who objected to his words in Berlin. You might not like it but he pointed the finger of a very sensitive issue in Germany; that they were occupied by Hillbillies for generations after WWII. Hahaahahahhaha is that what passes for thought in your brain? Hahahhahahhahah
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
What trouble ? Emmanuel did a great job in revealing the american brainwashed generation of the germans, those who objected to his words in Berlin. You might not like it but he pointed the finger of a very sensitive issue in Germany; that they were occupied by Hillbillies for generations after WWII. Hahhhahhahahaha Is that what passes for thought in your brain? Haahhahhahahahha
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
What an utter garbagedump FFL has turned into. You mean you used to view it as something other than one? What he fails to realize is only a garbage dump would have him. So our loss is his gain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote: The Germans themselves rightly railed against and laughed at the goofy Raja's out-of-touch-with-reality speech, his claim of kingship and his pathetic Halloween clown costume. Plus if I caught his German right, when someone said that Hitler was not invincible, he said something like more's the pity. His audience was very liberal and they took exception to his declaring Germany a nation. People chimed in that Germany has been a member of the EU for 10 years. The Raja wasn't just out of touch with reality, he could potentially gotten himself in legal trouble for the things he said. He was way out of touch with his audience. He deserved to be shouted down.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
I don't know; I didn't read them. A link to them was posted on FFL, and I put them on my server because that's what I do with interesting TM-related stuff that comes my way. I will no longer be a source for those files, but there's probably someone else on FFL who can get them to you, if you want to read them. ---But I'll tell you what they say. Answer to everything is Turiyah and TM. Okay?
