Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:50 PM, authfriend wrote:I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to Camille (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you find her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike you...however... people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect of yourself? Other than that we can both be abrasive and both loathe what seems to us to be hypocrisy, no. But her abrasiveness and hatred of hypocrisy aren't why I think she's full of it. In many ways Camille Paglia exemplies a woman who manifests her enlightment energy as a vajra-class Dakini. The enlightenment aspect of the vajra class is someone who can find the relevant point amongst a list of intellectual arguments (and where the holes are) and breathtakingly share the core insight as to why or how: highlights of how things really are. Since the same answer already is in all the listeners, this can invoke the same surprise and eureka in others, also causing their enlightenment energy to sparkle through as they briefly glimpse their real nature. However, if a person is not fully enlightened and there is some egoic involvement due to obscurations, they can manifest this propensity also in a distorted way with endless argument, positioning, many points which miss the point, analytical coldness, ready to pursue and criticize, etc.The fun thing of course, if we recognize the enlightenment energy of such people, we share in that. In some people, the energy is simply irresistible--and that fuels their popularity. It's totally natural to want to know your real nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the Bible, they didn't want to have toshare their prosperity with every stranger who camealong.I suspect they could have found other means, but rapewas a pretty effective threat, and, as I said, a commonmeans of doing so at that time.Plus which, they probably would have enjoyed the actualintimidation and humiliation of the strangers.Rape generally--including heterosexual rape--is notabout sex but about power. I re read the story ofLot and found nothing about the people of Sodom not wanting to share their prosperity with anybody. Perhaps just the opposite. The crowd expected they Angels share themselves with the men and boys of Sodom while staying in their city.In fact the two angels that came were traveling and only intended to spend the night in the town square and Lot insisted they come to his home where he prepared a feast for them and they would be able to leave in the morningand be on their way as earlyas they wanted. In fact when the crowd demanded to "know" or have sex with the two angels andLot refused and offered his virgin daughters instead, the crowd became furious andtold Lot he was an outsider living among them and had no right totell them what they could have or not have. The point of the story was God had been told the people of Sodom and Gomorra were wicked in every way and He wanted to see for himself. Now I'll agree,thatdepriving hospitality to traveling strangerscould have been looked upon as wicked or unkind but remember, they were wicked in every way. And Laviticus 18:22 describes homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God. Also it says else where in the Bible that God took the land that he gave to the Jews away from other people that had defiled themselves through such behaviors. And God commanded that Jews not do the same things or he would take the land from them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/26/06 6:48:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to the Sodomites who never rejected it.Of course, but why did Jesus choose Sodom for thecomparison? He didn't just pick it out of a hat; Exactly! Are there any other towns other than Sodom and Gomorra that were totally destroyed by God with fire and brimstone mentioned in the Bible? It was the ideal example that Jesus was trying to impress on his disciples. God's judgemnet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of suchpunishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it workedin three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*,the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* thespecific sin for which it was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for thethe sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy isgreatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies andmetaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can youfind something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know." Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. The actions of homosexuality are forbidden by God. And I believe the whole purpose of this thread was somebody had asked if there was anything in scripture that forbid homosexuality and if so what and where. I have mentioned several places in the Bible where homosexuality is considered a sin and should not be practiced. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 1:56:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the punishment for this "abomination?" Failing to observe the Sabbath (always Saturday, sorry non-7th-dayers) is punishable by being stoned or banished. What's the set punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Do your own rersearch To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another. Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished. If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar. Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know. Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful. According to the Bible: Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:- Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them- a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/27/06 9:29:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the Hebrew Scriptures are full of tales of such punishments of one unpleasant, violent sort or another.Jesus chose the destruction of Sodom because it worked in three respects: a punishment meted out to a *town*, the comparative severity of the punishment, *and* the specific sin for which it was punished.If you want to insist that Sodom was punished for the the sin of homosexuality, the force of the analogy is greatly weakened because the sins wouldn't be similar.Jesus was nothing if not precise in his analogies and metaphors. That's why they're so powerful. Judy can you find something specific that I said regarding this whole thread that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed *only* for homosexuality. The Story of Lot specifically says the Lord told Abraham, "I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil and everything they do is wicked. I am going down to see whether or not these reports are true then will know." Now couple this with Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin". Surely the act of raping or wanting to molest the strangers is an act of homosexuality whether it is for pleasure or exhorting power. Either way, it is an abominable act and considered sinful.According to the Bible:Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abominaton according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:-Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them-a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?b ) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?e) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality... on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that! We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isnt there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/27/06 10:38 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jesus f*cking Christ are you going to be smote for posting that!We must inquire, who is the smiter, and who the smitee? Isn’t there really only one of us? And is there really a process of smiting, or is that not also part of Brahman?"I" can't decide! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) Maybe because you seem similar is some way? It seems unlike me because I seem similar. Very good, Vaj. I was actually serious. I often thought of you as similar to Camille (in a positive sense), therefore it was surprising to hear you find her offensive in some way and therefore the post seemed unlike you...however...people often project dislike towards those who mirror certain aspects of themselves, no? Can you see Camille as a certain aspect of yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
Maybe this is the abridged version. :) Sal On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would venture that if I did, I'd find most have a beginning, a middle and an end: Camille Paglia is bullshit because she's wrong. Every study of rape finds it's an act of violent control. For Paglia to say rape is an act of sex is like saying head-on collisions are an alternative way to park one's car. To simply say she's bullshit and walk away is kind of pugilis interruptus, you know what I mean?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:I know that might sound harsh, so I'll explain. In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE "HOLY" BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET WAS WRITTEN BY MEN, FOR MEN. A few of them IMO may have been "inspired," in the sense that they were written by or dictated by human beings in higher states of consciousness, but to be honest not very many of them even achieved that. The norm in the realm of "holy books" is that most of the books that humans consider "holy" were written by NON-enlightened humans describing the actions of enlightened (or at least more enlightened) fellow humans as best they could (such as the Gospels). What about yellow scrolls written in microscopic Dakini script :-)?...not all works are "by purusha", by men. Of course, this is one thing Mahesh Yogi has claimed to have: the "apurusheya bhasya" (not purusha created commentary), of Rig Veda, which is also "not by man". So "men" can use the fact that books 'not by men' have some alleged clout...What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok?Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others. :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: What about texts that require a certain level or state of consciousness to even grok? Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-) Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood" by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few" to manipulate others. :-) And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by the beings who communicate them. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible. All I'm suggesting is that, given the long, sordid history of spirituality on this rock, it's just as possible that claims of a book's specialness are a way of attracting followers whose greatest desire is to feel "special" to those who claim to have "special" knowledge of "special" books. Yeah, that's a given because it clearly has. One only has to remember the Christian liturgy and bible which was encoded in Latin and dispensed to the unknowing masses. Destroy the Gnosis and we, the priest, will mediate for you. Just keep sending money.It's interesting in Sanskrit literature it is said that it is only in the Kali Yuga, 'when the minds of men began to wane' that writing appeared. Writing is therefore an artifact of the age of darkness. Some traditions do not even consider written texts to be worthy of repetition. Having met a number of yogis who had photographic memory I can understand how this is possible even though epic poets and bards are hard to find these days. Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. But while either the oral or written can create exclusive priesthoods, in history it was the written word which allowed for codification, dogma and control--the Aryans "capture" of Dravidian texts in the artificial language of Sanskrit is but one example. The question seems to me is 'which is more capable of producing Gnosis for a given person?' The importance of "ear-whispered tradition" thus remains important--the morphogenetic field of living tradition: only "alive" when it is alive in us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 10:32:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Homosexual acts between two people of homosexualpreference are engaged in for "pleasure" and, often,out of deep emotional feelings of love, just as withheterosexuals.Homosexual acts between two people of *heterosexual*preference are engaged in for many different reasons,including ritualistic performance, stimulating ajaded sexual appetite, and for purposes ofintimidation and humiliation, among others.Now, given a loving, beneficent God, which type of"homosexuality" do you think He would be mostopposed to? Or do you think He would condemn allof them as equally detestable in His sight? Perhaps you should ask Him. Either way, it's still sin and disobedience and either way that sin and disobedience can be forgiven if repented of. Basically you're asking me to judge for God or speak for him. I can't do that. You still haven't shown me any evidence that the men and boys in Sodom tried to have sex with the angels in order to intimidate them into leaving. Yet it is said in the Bible that they wanted to "know" them, a term which is repeatedly used to show intimacy between men and women in the Bible. Somebody wanting to exhibit dominance and control by rape are not concernedwith intimacy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...
In a message dated 2/27/06 3:25:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it would be rather difficult to provide youwith hard evidence at this juncture. However, asI've noted, there's excellent historical/culturalevidence that anal rape was a means of intimidatingand humiliating people; and there's also Ezekiel'scomplaint about Sodom, which emphasizes its refusalto share its wealth with the poor and needy (inthis case, Lot's visitors).There's also the unlikelihood that all the males inthe town--including the young ones--suddenly gothorny all at once on that particular evening, andinstead of satisfying their desires with each other,decided to go after Lot's visitors.In other words, the story doesn't make much sense inyour interpretation, whereas it makes perfect sensein mine. Actually I think my interpretation makes much more since. Lot's guests made no demand for charity from anybody in the city. As a matter of fact Lot met them at the gate to the city and invited them to stay in his house for the evening. Why would anybody object to that? On the other hand, can you imagine if two gorgeous angels walked into the Castro district of San Francisco and a bunch of gay biker types saw them and followed them to the house they went in. Do you think they would hang aroundto run them out of town or be inhopes of getting a *date*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 8:12:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted to rape Lot's visitors because they were horny? In other words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be justified if it were just a power trip? Or justified if it were for shear pleasure?Was anybody trying to *justify* it?? Certainly not I.Can you answer the question, please? The men and boys of Sodomwanted Lot to bring out his guests so they could "know" them. Sounds like horniness to me. But that would be a guess on my part. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 8:49:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! And what does that say about homosexuality in the eyes of God? At least Leviticus deals with the rest at a later place in the Bible as society evolves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/26/06 12:13:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you know, if this stuff were in the Koran, the fundies would be using it as evidence of how bad Islam is... It probably is in the Koran. Much of the Bible is found in the Koran with a few variations and twists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/26/06 12:29:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better yet: Billy Crystal's impersonation of Edward J. Robinson's biblical character from "The Ten Commandments": "Where's your Moses now? Where's your King of the Jews now?", done in classical Brooklynese... Billy Crystal is one of my favorites! I Liked his Yule Brenner impersonation going back and forth between the King of Siam and Ramases," So it shall be written, so it shall be, done etc etc etc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/26/06 12:19:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: suggests otherwise--i.e., that the men of Sodom weren'thomosexual or even bisexual, and that the threatened rapewas not a function of sexual desire on their part, butrather an attempt to intimidate Lot's visitors intoleaving forthwith. And Why did they want them to leave so quickly? Was rape the only means of intimidating them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/26/06 12:21:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cite some passages and I'll look them up. Thanks. Try Leviticus 18 Forbidden Sexual practices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/26/06 12:31:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But remember that the kingdom of God is coming soon.' I tell you, on the judgment day it will be worse for the people of that town than for the people of Sodom."It appears that as far as Jesus was concerned, the sinof refusing hospitality was far worse than that ofhomosexuality. The comparison of homosexuality and hospitality are not made here by Christ. What Christ is saying is that the people of a town that refuses his message are in far worse condition because the message was offered and rejected where as it was never offered to the Sodomites who never rejected it. Try reading Leviticus 18:22,Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 12:35:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with anotherman they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.I am not a biblical scholar, but apparently, the bible adds that it iswithin gods grace for a man to *lay* with a woman in the ways a man lays with another man. There is no sin that can not be forgiven. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says it is an abomination for a man to *lay* with another man they way he would with a woman. (paraphrased). I think that gets the point across without being too graphic.That's IT?Sounds pretty vague to me. Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written in legalese as a contractbetween man and God. Could you imagine if priests and rabbi had to be attorneys as well?ROFLMAO! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 1:10:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually the Hebrew Scriptures are exactly,precisely that, as far as Judaism is concerned.Have you really never heard of the Covenant betweenGod and His Chosen People?And as to rabbis being lawyers, have you neverheard the provisions of the Covenant, especiallyin Leviticus, being referred to as the Law? Yes Judy, a covenant , however I'm referring to the legalese one would hear in today's laws... the party of the first part shall be referred to as... As for the men of Sodom being homosexual?Read it for yourself Genesis 19:3 thru 9and Judges 19:22. Yes they were at least bi-sexual because they demanded to have sex with the "strangers" that Lot had brought to his home for safe keeping that evening. The men of Sodom tried to break into Lot's home to rape the guests and Angels blinded the men of Sodom to make their escape along with Lot's family. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 1:56:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shemp That's the only verse, from Leviticus, that I remember off hand. I pretty sure there is more. The Bible wasn't written in legalese as a contract between man and God. Could you imagine if priests and rabbi had to be attorneys as well? ROFLMAO!Well, actually, isn't that precisely what the Talmud is...basically, volume after volume after volume of "legalese" of the contract between man and God? Shemp just as I explained to Judy, yes that's is exactly what the Talmud is, a promise from God, however my definition of legalese is probably far different than what yours may be. I'm referring to legalese as the technical terms used today in the practice of modern civil law. Open a contract for a new house today and compare it to the contract between Abraham and God linguistically. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 2:00:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, actually, isn't that precisely what the Talmud is... basically, volume after volume after volume of "legalese" of the contract between man and God?Between Jews and God, yes, indeed, that is exactlywhat it is (the contract itself is what Leviticusis, the book where we find the passage MDixon cites).He needs to brush up on his religious history justa bit, I think. "Legalese" according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary is "the specialized language of the legal profession" as opposed to plain talk or in the case of Leviticus "scriptural reference". My religious history is fine it's your understanding of the word "legalese" that is the problem, I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 5:22:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask it this way: Do you think they wanted torape Lot's visitors because they were horny? Inother words, was the point sexual gratification? Would it matter? Would the act be justified if it were just a power trip? Or justified if it were for shear pleasure? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 2/25/06 5:28:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Law as laid down in the Torah was in what amountedto legalese of the time. I wouldn't presume to know that. However it might be funny to hear Leviticus redone in modern day legalese. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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What I have always understood about the Talmud was that it was a commentary on every aspect of the Torah that the rabbis writing it could come up with, the Torah being the basis of Jewish law. x-tad-biggerTraditional Judaism has always held that the books of the /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTanakh/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger were transmitted in parallel with a living, /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggeroral tradition/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger. Thus, the /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTorah/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger - the Law or Instruction - is the /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwritten law/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, while the /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggeroral law/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger deals with its application and elaborates on its meaning. The Talmud, ultimately, constitutes the authoritative /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerredaction/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger of this tradition. It is thus the major influence on /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJewish belief and thought/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger. Furthermore, although not a formal legal code, it is the basis for all later /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggercodes of Jewish law/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, and thus continues to exert a major influence on /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHalakha/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger and Jewish religious practice. (See /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerMaimonides/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger introduction to the /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerMishneh Torah/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[1]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger.) The Talmud is arranged content-wise by Order and by Tractate; while conceptually, it is divided into two parts: /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerMishna/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger and /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerGemara/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger. There is also a distinction between /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHalakha/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger (/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggernormative/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, legal focused material) and /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerAggadah/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger (non-normative material). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud /x-tad-bigger On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Well, actually, isn't that precisely what the Talmud is...basically, volume after volume after volume of legalese of the contract between man and God?
